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How Much Your Emotions Are Affecting You (2098)

• Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

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In this episode of Next Level University, hosts Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros explore how much your emotional state affects your decisions, actions, and long-term success. From gym sessions that feel pointless to business setbacks that sting, they share personal stories and practical insights on “state management” and building unshakable grit. You’ll learn why it’s okay to feel your feelings but dangerous to let them steer the ship. If you want more momentum, consistency, and clarity, this one’s a must-listen.

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Show notes:
(2:36) The truth about state management
(7:10) When setbacks mess with your mindset
(11:41) Grit, feelings, and showing up anyway
(17:02) Next Level Dreamliner: The planner, agenda, journal, and habit tracker to rule them all. Get a copy: https://a.co/d/9fPpxEt
(18:47) Emotional fitness and real success
(25:56) The fine line between grit and burnout
(31:51) Outro

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Kevin Palmieri:

Your emotions are probably really affecting your outcomes more than you realize. And then, on the opposite end of that, your outcomes are affecting your emotions and it becomes this cycle of if you can't control how you feel, you might not be able to control how you do, and bada-bing, bada-boom.

Alan Lazaros:

The question for this episode is how much are you allowing external circumstances to dictate your internal state, because your internal state is often what's going to dictate what you do and don't do.

Kevin Palmieri:

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Alan Lazaros:

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Kevin Palmieri:

Welcome to Next Level University, next Level Nation, today for episode number 2098. How much your emotions are affecting you. Something happened to my camera. It's fucking mayhem out here today. Baby, you wanted to do this episode. Why did you want to do this episode? Let me see if I can troubleshoot whilst you talk, okay?

Alan Lazaros:

I think state management is a non-sexy topic but a really, really, really important one. I've done this with many, many clients. It's one of the five S's of the next level success formula. We have two different ones of those, so I'm not going to get into it. But the point is, is state management? So, for example, I have a coffee mug with some caffeine in it and I do what's called stimulant timing and I try to be in a peak state for certain moments throughout the day. So when I wake up in the morning I look at my calendar and I see, okay, where do I need to be at my best? And then I try to optimize my day around those things. So, for example, I did pull day earlier back day and I wanted to make sure that I was that that 45 minutes in the gym is me at a peak state and that's why I woke up. I took pre workout a certain amount of time before I made sure that I ate a little bit of protein. That's why I woke up. I took pre-workout a certain amount of time before I made sure that I ate a little bit of protein. So state management is not sexy, but it is really important. We all know what it's like to feel two o'clock rolling around and we're struggling, we didn't get good sleep, we're falling asleep. One of my clients, she's a therapist, and she says sometimes I am literally nodding off in the middle of a therapy call. This is not good. I got to get my sleep together. So there's a lot of ways that you can manage your state, and the reason why this came up is because when I was prepping for book club we're on the last chapter of reset, by the way, if you do want to join book club, the link will be in the show notes to register. It's totally free. It's every Saturday, 1230 PM, eastern standard time. The next level book club Kevin is not invited. Never been invited time. The next level book club kevin is not invited, never been invited, never been invited. He's not invited to the monthly meetups anymore as well. So, uh, no, kevin allowed. I'm obviously being playful, okay.

Alan Lazaros:

So on page 206 of reset, they did a. Uh, I don't know if this is a study. There's the company, the organization, that owns the San Francisco 49ers. It's a football team in the US. They basically had this app that the people who went to the games could put a smiley face. They could put a frowny face, or they could put a cry face. I'm paraphrasing.

Alan Lazaros:

I don't know exactly what it was, but they were trying to get feedback on whether or not the fans in the stands were having a great experience, and they did this for the entire season, and 40,000 on average was the button pushes per game. So they had 40,000 data points of positive or negative, and what they found is fan satisfaction during a win averaged 78%, while during a loss it was 61%. In other words, the fans allowed. They thought, oh well, maybe on those days the bathrooms weren't as clean, or maybe the wine was warm or the food wasn't cooked well. No, it just has to do with whether or not the team is winning or losing. And now here's the deal. I get it. You want your team to win. You feel good when they're winning. You feel bad when they're losing. That's fine at a football game, but in life, are you allowing external circumstances to control how you feel? Because how you feel is going to dictate what you do and don't do. And so how good are you at state management? I used an example on the last episode. We had some tech issues so it didn't end up being able to be recorded. But essentially this was the example.

Alan Lazaros:

Emilia and I watched a documentary called Oceans by David Attenborough. It's a hero of hers from her environmental days went and saw the great barrier reef and realized it's actually the great, great barrier graveyard very depressing. Here's my point. When we went to watch that movie they did a really good job, by the way. I highly recommend it. It's on disney plus national geographic unbelievably well done.

Alan Lazaros:

But I knew I had to brace myself for some really sad moments because what we're doing to the oceans is not great the industrial fishing and all that stuff. So I knew, okay, I'm going to feel helpless and hopeless because I can't change whether or not we are fishing in the oceans. That's not my calling, that's not what we're focused on. We're focused on helping people reach their potential, their goals and dreams, become better human beings physical, mental, emotional, spiritual development, personal development and success. That's what I feel in control of. I don't have control over what they're doing in the Mediterranean Sea and so I feel helpless and hopeless and I feel frustrated and sad and melancholy and pissed off and I have to be very careful. Now what I can control is whether or not I'm wasteful and I try really, really, really, really, really, really, really hard not to be wasteful.

Alan Lazaros:

I have a couple bougie things that I still work on. Like I like to buy new hardcover books. It would be better for the environment for me to buy used books. I've gotten used books before. Sometimes they smell bad, sometimes they have shit written in them. I don't, I don't. I like new books. So I'm bougie with that and I actually working through that. I'm going to start buying used books. But the point is all of us are wildly wasteful. Pisses me off, bothers me to my core. We're consumers and we're not investors. We're not thinking long-term for future generations. It bothers me to my core, but I can't be sad all the time, because if I'm sad all the time, I can't actually make positive change. So for anyone out there right now, think about something wildly depressing in the world. If you stay sad about that, there's two reactions. One is I'm sad and I need to go take a nap. The other reaction is pissed off enough to fucking do something about it. And that, to me, is how positive change happens Change through massive pain.

Kevin Palmieri:

I think this is why momentum feels so good, because you, you feel good and then things end up doing good and then that makes you feel good and then things in just rinse and repeat. I had a very unique feeling this morning. So things have been going really well, gotten a bunch of new clients it's amazing, awesome, Crushing it Great and there was a somebody who I expected for sure to work with us. It was like 10 out of 10. This person's amazing, great human, just super excited to help them. And they said, ah, right now I don't know if I'm ready to start a podcast, I feel like there's just time constraints. I don't know if I have the time to do it and I immediately felt bad.

Kevin Palmieri:

Even though it is still the best by far not close it's ever been it's very easy for that negative feeling to get inside and then me to think, okay, nothing is going to work and we're losing, even though that's not true. That's not true at all. This was one opportunity that didn't go exactly the way I thought, but again, it's very easy to get in your own head about that. It's very, very easy.

Alan Lazaros:

We've done episodes in the past about logic versus emotion. I'll tell this story. I think it's really kind of funny, but there's a powerful point to it. I don't know if I told this on the podcast or not, but I got this new shaver. I've never really had to shave before because I never had a lot of hair, and all of a sudden I'm getting all these mustache and hair and so I got this new shaver and it's this three-pronged thing that I had never used before. And I tried to shave my little unibrow. You can't really see it cause it's blonde. I'm blonde and you can barely see it. It's not much, but it's enough to where I want to clean it up.

Alan Lazaros:

And I hammered my uh, my eyebrow off a bit and I had a. I had a coaching session, not 10 minutes after that and that really it wasn't wildly depressing for me. It wasn't a big deal. But I had a moment of Alan. You just hammered off part of your eyebrow that I looked it up. It's going to take six months minimum. It might not grow back as good all this stuff, right, and women know this, brother, because they pluck their eyebrows. You can't mess with your eyebrows too much for the ladies out there. You know the deal, kevin, and I don't know shit. No, but now that I have long hair and all this, I I feel like I can relate more. I have certain hair ties that I need to use. It's a whole thing. But anyways, uh, for the men listening, I I now look like a bitch. I'm kidding.

Alan Lazaros:

Uh, at the end of the day, what I really care about here is I got a little bit down after I hammered part of my right eyebrow off. I was like and I got a little down, I got a little sad. I was like Alan, I had to coach myself out of it. Alan, you're going to be fine. It's three to six months. It's not a big deal. Like, no one gives a shit about your eyebrows. Dude, get your fucking ass on that call. You're going to be fine. Now, that is genuinely my self-talk. I love tough love. I think tough love is valuable. I really do. I know a lot of people don't do well with that, but for me it's come on, man, there's bigger problems in the world than your fucking eyebrows does it make sense why it doesn't do well for everybody?

Alan Lazaros:

based on this conversation, somewhat, I think, the self-belief piece and that kind of stuff. I do think that there is a place for tough love for everybody. You have to do it right. But at the end of the day I'm being somewhat playful with that, but the truth is, alan, if you're depressed about your own eyebrows, like you need to figure your life out, like there are bigger problems in the world than whether or not you hammered off a piece of your eyebrow. And the truth of the matter is your clients are counting on you, your on you, your team is counting on you, the business is counting on you, the world is counting on you. You need to go and serve and it helped me get out of that. And again, that's a funny moment. And I got on the call and this is my point, and it's with a female and she said, alan, that would ruin someone else's whole day. She's like past version of me. That would have ruined my whole day. And I was like, are you kidding me? You can't succeed and have that ruin your day, because because here's the deal and I'm not trying to be unkind but if you cancel sessions because of something that trivial, you're never going to actually be that successful. Imagine if Journey didn't go on stage because they had a bad night the night before. Like you can't be a successful band and not perform. And so I think this from the frame of success not necessarily personal development, but success, the science of achievement doesn't care about my eyebrow. You need to get up and get it done, regardless of your emotions.

Alan Lazaros:

And there's a personal development speaker that I like. His name is Michael Burt, coach Michael Burt, and I like his content and he's pretty intense. But he says amateurs listen to their feelings, professionals don't. He says this. He says on Sunday, do you really think that those players making millions of dollars to play in the NFL, they want to get hit that hard on Sunday? I agree with him. Like you don't have to want to do it, you have to do it regardless because you're an adult and I get, trust me, I understand the other side of the coin too. I have trauma, I have a therapist, I work on the inner stuff too, but it can't be. You can't cancel your day because you shaved off your own eyebrow, and I think that's a good metaphor for listening to your feelings. When you have to, you know you have people counting on you.

Kevin Palmieri:

Well, I think it's. It's important to feel the feelings, but you got to steer the feelings because, again, I I did a story today. It was five, I think it was five 58 and I was getting ready for the gym. I was like I do not, zero part of me wants to do this. I do not want to do this at all. I'm tired, I'm hungry, I don't want to do this. And I went to the gym and I had a dog shit workout. It was terrible, but I did it. I went and I did it.

Alan Lazaros:

How did you get through that?

Kevin Palmieri:

Because you didn't listen to your feelings did listen more than I wish I did, because I wonder, if I try to change my state more, if the workout would have been better. I mean, this was a terrible. The whole workout was just suffering. It was terrible. This was a bad one. Normally I enjoy my workouts.

Alan Lazaros:

I did not enjoy this at all and I wonder if that's one of the reasons you have to. That's where you really develop grit. It's called doing things that are hard while you feel terrible. Well, yeah, but I wonder if that develops that part of your brain.

Kevin Palmieri:

I wonder if I could have done better with my state, like better re engaging it and making it more positive.

Alan Lazaros:

Oh, I probably could have when you. So I know that you coach podcasters, so it's a little different, but for me I've I've been a little bit more intense with my clients recently. Yeah, a little bit more intense with my clients recently.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah.

Alan Lazaros:

And this is what I do with them. I take them through a future projection. So we we track, so I'm a business coach, so we track their future projections of their, their income, basically growing their companies and or careers, and I have them sort of sign up. So I did this earlier with a client it's you're going to make I don't know, 40,000 this year in your own business, then it's 100,000, then it's 150, then it's 200, then it's 250. I said are you, are you game to do this over the next five years? And she said yeah. I said now let me clarify. That means you're also willing to do everything that I'm going to. Because I said listen, this is a doable thing, this trajectory is doable for you, mathematically, the science of achievement, I'm certain we can do this, but it's going to be terrible. Like I need permission. So I said it's my job to push you to achieve these things. Do I have permission to push you? You, you want this and if that changes, you got to tell me. Because everything, nothing, everything that you have to do to achieve I mean, who wouldn't want to make a quarter of a million a year? That sounds awesome. But what it's going to take to do that is going to feel terrible. So I need permission, as your coach, to sign up for this in advance. I'm starting to get a lot more buy-in early on.

Alan Lazaros:

I do this with Kev behind the scenes too. It's like brother if you want this result in the future, it doesn't really matter how you feel. If you don't want it, that's fine. That's a different conversation. Then we don't have to do any of this. But if you want X, then you're going to need to do A, b and C, and so A, b and C might feel bad and you might not feel like doing A, b and C, but if you want X, you're going to have to, and so I think that I try to make my actions dictate my feelings. I don't usually let my feelings dictate my actions, and I think that that's a really important piece of success, I would agree.

Kevin Palmieri:

I think it's something to aspire to. I just think it takes a long time. I mean, I'm eight years in of trying to rewire this and I still have moments, like today, where I had to catch myself. So it's not a natural. It's still not natural for me, but I I do think moving in that direction is, yes, for success. That is a requirement because, again, I don't want to do this episode right now. I don't want to. I'm tired, I'm hungry, I'm. This is the second fucking time we're recording it, because the first time it got jeff like, right, well, we made it further this time than we did the first time, but then we were troubleshooting it and it was like, oh, I was ready to go and then I lost it because we were in diagnostic mode. I don't, but if I only recorded podcast episodes when I felt like it, I would not have 2 000, we wouldn't have 2 000 episodes and that is a fact, we wouldn't be successful in business and.

Kevin Palmieri:

But I don't want anybody to hear that and say, oh, you don't really love it. No, no, I do, I do. I love this more than anything else and you are allowed to love something and not want to do it every day. That is they don't. They don't have to they're, they're not necessarily connected. But if I found anything, if usually when I don't want to go to the gym and I get to the gym, I have a really good workout. Usually that's the way it is.

Alan Lazaros:

Hello, hello, hello. Nlu listener. Thank you, as always, for listening to Next Level University. Real quick. I just want to jump in and let you know about the Next Level Dreamliner. This is a journal that I use every single day. Achieve your dreams 90 days at a time. It breaks down your dreams into goals, milestones and daily habits. We hope you enjoy it. The link will be in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri:

I told Alan. I said I've just crossed the chasm in the diet and I'm just, I'm getting there, I'm just getting to the place where I'm down 17 pounds. Yeah, so I'm getting to the place where I'm down 17 pounds.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, so I'm getting to the place where I'm, and it's not like you were obese before, right? No, so it's 17 pounds of. Yeah, your body's a little pissed off.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, I mean, if you're trying to lose, let's just say you're trying to lose 20 pounds. The last three they're going to suck the most, that's just the way it is.

Kevin Palmieri:

And then will I continue going, I, and then I will I continue going. I don't know. But if I have learned anything, it's usually just motivating yourself into momentum, and then you do start to feel better. Once you get there, once you get on the mics, once you get on the client call, whatever it is, I think you will start to feel better. But it's a matter of well, how do you have to feel in order to do that in the first place? And it's just, you're gonna have shit days just are, no matter what you're doing, no matter whether or not you're living your dreams or not. I understand, and some days are going to suck, and that's okay. I don't want to make that wrong. I don't want anybody to have the expectation that we love doing this every day. It's some days I don't want to do it, I'm tired. It's been a week, even though it hasn't been. It's been a weird week in in certain ways, and an easy week and others and a really challenging week in other ways.

Alan Lazaros:

So what did you used to think about this? Like and again, kev has always identified, as we used to have M's and E's, it was. It was people who were more mental and people that were more emotional. I was on a podcast recently and he said what's your take on this? He says I think fitness is actually these four things. He said financial fitness, which I don't really like. He said physical fitness, mental fitness and spiritual fitness and I said well, you're missing emotional fitness. Emotional fitness is big. I've never met someone who can change her state quicker than Emilia Smith she. We were doing an adventure race and I hammered over this big log. We were going pretty fast and she fell full, full, like just crash and burn type of fall, not, not not on rocks or anything, but it was.

Alan Lazaros:

She got right back up, up and kept, kept going to the point where she she wasn't in tears but she was hurting, I could tell. And I didn't know how to support her in that moment. Do you want me to be hard, like get the fuck after, let's get it, or do you want me to be soft and kind of love on you? And I ended up obviously picking the hard one because it was like come on, we got this, let's finish strong. And that is support too, by the way. For sure, I don't think that the only form of support is pat on the back. You know, it's okay, no worries, give you a hug. Sometimes support is you can do this, like we're almost at the finish line, how much time we got, we can do this, you got this.

Alan Lazaros:

And I came back and, you know, kind of crossed the finish line metaphorically with her instead and she took a digger, pretty hefty one, she, almost she. She said this playfully, but I know there was some truth to it because she she's a sicko she hit a rock with her arm and she's like I almost broke my forearm and I know she wouldn't say that unless she was serious. She's also got jacked forearms, so luckily. But she's not a fragile human by any means. But I knew, I can tell I've been with her for five years she does. She doesn't hurt easy and I knew it was like that was. That was something you were really struggling through, that and she went and crushed the rest of her day. That would have ruined someone else's day, like she would have had to go nap it off or eat or take a minute. She took a shower and she was back into her day. That's why she'll be successful in business because she doesn't let her feelings dictate how she performs.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, well, and last thing, before we hop out of here, as you know, we are two men who are very in touch with our feelings and, like know your feelings, feel your feelings, work through your feelings. But from a success perspective, if, if, everything has to line up perfectly in order for you to do something consistently, that is something that we're all going to have to work on, because that's very rarely, is it ever going to work that way? Okay, so we need an hour per episode I need to have to work on, because that's very rarely, is it ever going to work that way? Okay, so we need an hour per episode. I need to have gotten a 90 sleep score or above. I need to be properly caffeinated. Those, it's just. No. Nope, we have an hour and a half to do three episodes. Okay, cool, that's what we're going to do. We're going to make it work. I'm tired. I don't know what your sleep score is, but that 95, I'm in a good so, so he's in a Better than you.

Alan Lazaros:

There's always one person carrying the team, fyi.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, when I had a 51, Kev was carrying yeah. Now I'm I'm just riding this, I'm getting towards the end of the diet and it's really starting to blow, so my state is definitely different today than it has been probably so far. One question, I know we got to jump to the next one.

Alan Lazaros:

My question for you. I wanted to ask this before.

Kevin Palmieri:

What would you used to have thought about this? And my, it's not a. I don't think that's a good example, because I never called out of work I never, my mom, I, my mom, never once called out of work, ever. I never saw my mom caught throwing up before she left. It doesn't matter, she would just go to work. That I definitely developed. That we have a. We have a joke. I've told you before.

Kevin Palmieri:

I was playing. We had a little pond up the street from where I lived when I lived in uxbridge back in the day and I was playing goalie when we were playing ice hockey and I I thought I snapped my ankle, I fell, my skate got stuck and I was like, oh my god, I broke my ankle. It was freaking brutal, yeah, so I went home. Anytime I get hurt, I just order a bunch of food and just hammer food and rest, and then I think Monday I went, I went to work and I put an ankle brace on and I am not kidding, I walked around like dragging one foot and that was, that was it. It was just like. It is what it is. That's again.

Kevin Palmieri:

When you don't feel like you're smart and competent and capable, you have to grid it out. At least that's the internal dialogue. I just have to grid it out more than somebody else might have to, because I can't lose this opportunity. And I didn't have health insurance and I wasn't going to, I didn't have paid time off, it's not like I was going to get paid.

Alan Lazaros:

I often feel like sometimes we're tooting our own horn, and me in particular. I want to make this as clear as possible. I'm saying this because I think it's doing anyone listening a disservice to not share the truth. We have something called a consistency star, and the fifth one on that is grit, and we say things like 90% of our success and again, our success, depending on who you're comparing to is reasonable or unbelievable. That's not my point. But 90% of our success comes down to us never quitting and us never stopping and us never missing an episode and all that stuff. But most of that is just pure grit. And I'm not saying that to talk about us. I'm saying that to talk about the fucking principle. I don't care that we're gritty, congratulations. I actually think I'm soft. What I'm saying to other people is listen, you cannot win without grit. You cannot. It's not a thing. That's not a thing, dude. I agree. I think we downplay it and I think it does everyone a disservice, because you can't do 2,098 episodes or whatever. We're on without grit, and I'm with Kev too on. We're not saying not to feel your feelings. I Emilia called me out once.

Alan Lazaros:

She said I think you use movies to escape your feelings. Sometimes I said, of course, that was my escape, growing up a hundred percent. And so for food, it's it's food and film. Sometimes I don't want to feel all this stuff, I want to just escape, and that's fine, I'm not saying. But I need to sometimes not grit it out and actually sit and feel. And that's why I talk about breath work and that's why you and I used to meditate and that's why we do stretching and long form stuff. Like I'm all for feelings, I'm all for it. I want to be whole and wholesome and virtuous, but I also better be able to show up, grow up, get after it, and it's both. It's not one or the other, it's both, and I think usually it's one or the other, with, you know, someone toxic, masculine saying whatever it fucking takes, I don't give a shit. No bitching, moaning or it's. You know, do what you feel. And neither one of those extremes is actually going to bring real success holistically.

Kevin Palmieri:

Well, it's whatever your, if you're somebody who never feels your feelings again, I think it's just statistically rarer. It's more rare for somebody to just show up and do it, no matter what, every day. That's just rare. So we're going to be more hardcore in this episode because hopefully that is more of what you need, as opposed to like slow down and feel your feelings. I feel like, from what we've learned, our audience does feel their feelings, but sometimes that gets in the way of meaningful momentum and yeah, it's all it is. It's always one end or the other right when we talk about saving money, most people statistically just aren't good at saving money, so we'll be more hardcore when it comes to leaning in that direction how come you don't uh like to you downplay how gritty you?

Kevin Palmieri:

are so much because I know most people don't need to be as gritty as I, but they would benefit from it. I'm telling you, alan, some of the grit is detrimental. I think it's feel that way because it's not for you. It's different, it's different. Why is it different? Because you're, you're built, you and it's different, it's different. Why is it different? Because you're, you're built, you and I are built a little bit different. There's certain things, like the reason I will not sign up to do the exercise everyday thing is because I know it will become detrimental. I'm certain of it. I'll do it. I know I could do it. I'm certain of that. I also know it would get to a place where it would be dead. I don't want to be going for walks at 11 o'clock at night, before bed. I don't want to do that.

Alan Lazaros:

How do you know that wouldn't be of benefit, though.

Kevin Palmieri:

I think it would be beneficial in many ways, but I also am willing to admit the detriments. I think the detriments would outweigh the—I. A 95% of the time I exercise Right right.

Alan Lazaros:

Again, I don't care whether you do or don't.

Kevin Palmieri:

World class, I know.

Alan Lazaros:

I know you do agree everyone would benefit from more grit, right? Yes, okay, yes Okay, but not our level of grit.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yes, okay, I want to make sure it's not again. I'll use stories about me, because those are my stories and those are the ones I have.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, the ankle thing was a little reckless. It was definitely. Well, yeah, that's, but that's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, I see, yeah, so much of I worked a fairly dangerous job for five years without health insurance, like I fell through a ceiling one time and almost fell like 30 feet through another ceiling into a library and I had no insurance and it was just like, yeah, whatever, we'll figure it out, it's not smart so don't, don't go to that yeah, there's a difference in grit and recklessness though.

Kevin Palmieri:

Well, I think some of the stuff I do is reckless and I don't I wouldn't recommend it. That I think that's why you'll see me stop at a certain point, because I don't recommend. Just because I do it does not mean I would recommend doing it. That that's a piece of it. Like I don't recommend. You decide to do an episode every day. It's fucking terrible, sucks, and you can also be the best in the world at it if you do it every day.

Alan Lazaros:

Nice. So yeah, I don't know. So it depends if you want to be the best, it depends on what you want.

Kevin Palmieri:

You want to be the best parent in the world yeah, you want to be the best parent in the world. You don't feel good, but your kid has a game. You go to the game. Love that, love that. Yeah, 100% I love that. And I think it depends on what it is.

Alan Lazaros:

You think I'm reckless 100%.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, of course I do. I think what you do is for you, but for somebody else else it's highly detrimental. Okay, well? You haven't taken a day off in 10 years.

Alan Lazaros:

You know like what that's detrimental to somebody but what you need to say is sometimes it's only an hour a day, like sometimes it's 18 hours, but it it's not usually.

Kevin Palmieri:

When is it an hour? When's the last time it was an hour?

Alan Lazaros:

I think it was probably two hours or three hours, like a few months ago. It's usually more than that, but I know that. Sometimes it really is the minimum. It's the minimum sometimes, right, I'm going to the lake this weekend and it'll be on Sunday. It probably won't be that much that's a good.

Kevin Palmieri:

That's a good thing is what can you do to maximize your minimum or increase your minimum? That's the goal. The goal is to increase or optimize the minimal. Where just you don't feel good, show up and do the thing. Is it going to be the best you've ever done? No, no, no, it's not most likely. But that's okay, cause it will prepare you to do the best you've ever done when your state is in the right spot.

Alan Lazaros:

Dig. Yeah, there's a very, very, very last thing the art of impossible. Stephen Collar great book. Love it. He says when you train when you're at your worst, imagine what you can do at your best. When you make practice harder than the game, the game's going to be easy peasy. Baby, I do that in life. I think that's really powerful. But also, don't be reckless, but be gritty for sure. I think we're reckless at times, you and I.

Alan Lazaros:

I would say that's true, but I feel less reckless than I used to Dude. I close at 8. I get to bed early.

Kevin Palmieri:

I mean, come on, yeah, for like the last month, though that's the thing I'm talking about the previous 10 years, not this last month.

Alan Lazaros:

All right, I do think I'm less reckless than ever, though I was definitely reckless in the past. For sure, yeah, yeah, I would agree you too.

Kevin Palmieri:

I would agree. I would agree with both of that. All right, people in Next Level Nation, our private Facebook group. If you are looking for a group of amazing people who are into conversations about growth and it's not going to be weird to talk about stuff like this we'll have the link below. We would love to have you there. Every day. There's posts, positivity, motivation, inspiration, support, whatever it is that you need accountability. We got you.

Alan Lazaros:

And book club link in the show notes register totally free. Every Saturday We've read 20 books. Our 21st book there's actually a poll in Next Level Nation with three books in there Vote. It's pinned at the top and we hope to have you there, boom.

Kevin Palmieri:

As always, we love you, we appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you and at NLU, we don't have fans, we have family.

Alan Lazaros:

We will talk to you all tomorrow. Keep it Next Level, next Elimination.

Kevin Palmieri:

Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. We love connecting with the Next.

Alan Lazaros:

Level family. We mean it when we say family. If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. Everything you need to get a hold of us is in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri:

Thank, you again and we will talk to you tomorrow.

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