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There’s Always Someone Who Wants To Rain On Your Parade (2101)

• Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

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In today’s raw and powerful episode of Next Level University, hosts Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros get honest about hate comments, online critics, and the deeper wounds behind bullying. From YouTube trolls to childhood memories, they unpack why people lash out and how to protect your peace without losing your power. If you're chasing big goals and facing unexpected resistance, this episode is your reminder: it’s not about you, and your self-worth is worth defending. Listen in and learn how to stay grounded, grow stronger, and rise above.

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Show notes:
(4:05) The hidden pain behind bullies
(7:01) Standing strong without losing yourself
(11:14) When doing good still gets hate
(13:46) Meet your people. Chase your dreams. Level up your life with Next Level Group Coaching. https://www.nextleveluniverse.com/group-coaching/
(16:37) Turning criticism into motivation
(18:13) The power of holding your ground
(23:50) Giving back with the Hope Foundation
(26:04) Outro

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Kevin Palmieri:

A very unfortunate truth is no matter how much good you're doing in the world, there will be somebody who is having a bad day, who wants to pass their bad day on to you, and it doesn't even matter that you're doing good. They don't care about that. They're not focused on that. They're focused on feeling better, unfortunately at the expense of you and making you feel worse when someone else is shining, when they're growing tall.

Alan Lazaros:

you can either be inspired and try to grow taller yourself, which takes more belief and more self-esteem and more self-discipline, or you can just chop them down and feel better.

Kevin Palmieri:

Welcome to Next Level University. I'm your host, kevin Palmieri, and I'm your co-host, alan Lazarus. At NLU, we believe in a heart-driven but no BS approach to holistic self-improvement for dream chasers.

Alan Lazaros:

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Kevin Palmieri:

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Alan Lazaros:

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Kevin Palmieri:

Welcome to Next Level University, next Level Nation. Today, for episode number 21011, there's always someone who wants to rain on your effing parade did you put effing in the?

Alan Lazaros:

no, I didn't put effing in the, I don't have that kind of courage.

Kevin Palmieri:

I'm a coward would never, couldn't do, it couldn't do it.

Alan Lazaros:

I didn't mean the full swear, I just meant effing e-f-f-I-N with a little dash thing.

Kevin Palmieri:

I could think about it now, though Nice, nobody would know the difference. Alan asked me. He said what are you learning, man? And I said well, one of our clients is very big on YouTube. They have 108,000 subscribers. They're getting 1.5 million views a month Like they're crushing. They're doing really, really well and I've been helping them with their comments and I always look at their comments anyway and he said what are you learning? And I said even if you are doing like the most positive shit trying to help people, adding value, giving stuff away for free, raising people's awareness, supporting people, whatever there's always someone who is going to shit on your parade.

Alan Lazaros:

Real quick, yeah. What do you think you know these people? Yeah, you work with these people. What do you think of them as human beings, great humans Like just?

Kevin Palmieri:

they are doing very well financially because of their past choices. Very well financially because of their past choices. And the thing when I first met them, the thing that I was told was we want to give back add value and we're big on philanthropy. We want to give back add value, we're big on philanthropy. There was never a discussion of money.

Alan Lazaros:

They're not in this to make money.

Kevin Palmieri:

They just want to add value.

Alan Lazaros:

And it's great. In terms of quality, human being zero to 10?.

Kevin Palmieri:

Super high man. It's great In terms of quality human beings 0 to 10? Super high man Statistically, From what I've known and understood, 9.

Kevin Palmieri:

And they're still getting chopped down More than you would think it has helped me a ton to be in their comments because it gives me the logical response without the emotional one, and I know them behind the scenes and it's. But then you start to yes, I hope to one day get to the place where I am so centered and so Zen that I just immediately have empathy. You know, oh, that Alan Lazarus guy who left that, that negative comment. He's probably going through it. He's probably going through this isn't about me, this is about him. It's not about me. Am I there yet?

Kevin Palmieri:

No, but this does help me understand that a lot of these people are just struggling with their own shit. We were I, so taran and I went and saw friends on saturday I don't know one of these days and taran and this and this person went to high school together. They've been friends for a long time. They went to high school together and they were talking about how there were certain people that were bullied and certain people that did the bullying. And now the people who are doing the bullying a lot of them are not doing so hot in life.

Alan Lazaros:

And I said isn't?

Kevin Palmieri:

it. Well is it, but isn't it interesting and Alan I always have these things get heated when we talk about this, so let's, we'll see what happens. See what happens. He's not a fan of bullies personally same same but isn't it interesting that a lot of the people that were bullies got bullied and now they're dealing with the childhood shit that they never faced, that created the bully in the first place. Again, not an excuse. Not an excuse doesn't make it right, not negating what they did. I gotta say that because alan gets fired up.

Alan Lazaros:

And what about the people who went through it and didn't bully people?

Kevin Palmieri:

Shout out to them for being more evolved humans or having better circumstances or having a better reaction and a better response. I think that's it should be. You could have been a fucking bully I would. I definitely had bullied people in the past, not terribly but I what do you mean? I wasn't like a knock your books out of your hand type, but when I would go fishing with my friends I would intentionally flip the boat over. I'd be in it too. I'm okay with it Because I wanted to make people laugh. I thought it was funny. It's not always funny for people, and at the time I was just just a little. I was looking for significance, and I got significance by causing mayhem at times, even if it was my own mayhem too, that. But look, I didn't have any significance as a kid. I was trying to find a way to get significance. I can understand. Now, again, it doesn't make it right. It doesn't make it right. My and that's my goal in this, in this discussion is zero to ten.

Alan Lazaros:

How much do you think she's bullied?

Kevin Palmieri:

not statistically three, three, because it was. These were my friends. I really cared about these people and they were my. They were my friends. It's not like I was trying to wreck their day. I was trying to make it fun is what I was trying to do. Yeah, but still, there's better ways to make it fun than that, but that's my, that's my thesis in this episode is it doesn't really it's not about you. It's not about what you're doing, it's not about the impact that you're trying to have. That's not why this person or these people are crapping on your dreams.

Alan Lazaros:

It's because they don't have dreams to to crap on can you give us some tangible examples of comments that are just ridiculous? Oh man, it's like there's a lot of people that are actually pretty terrible that you can shit on. Why not focus on that, because I don't. I'll never understand it. Chopping people down makes no sense. What a waste of your fucking time.

Kevin Palmieri:

Well, if you're going to try to chop somebody down and you're really looking for significance, you try to chop somebody really positive down because you know it's going to get to them when, if it's somebody negative, they're not going to notice. They're so used to it. I think that's one of the reasons people do it. I don't know if I have it's just like oh, this is clickbait, or you guys hate each other behind the scenes. I know it because it's a couple or it took seven minutes to get to the value. This video sucks. It would be really good if you just skip to the seven minute mark that type of I would love to see that person's channel.

Alan Lazaros:

I would love they don't have somebody. You and I had a someone. I'm sorry to interrupt you we had a person behind the scenes. We did some relationship talks, coaching and the boyfriend the husband, in this case, a boyfriend, I think and he said how in the fuck are barbie and ken supposed to help us with our relationship?

Kevin Palmieri:

honestly, man, whatever, you know whatever you're gonna. You're gonna get it. Yeah, you're gonna get it. Somebody commented on our youtube videos. I was when I was talking about productivity and they were like, yeah, I was on a yacht this weekend, I worked 10 hour day and I took two, two lunches and the reason you can't work in stuff like that is because you're not disciplined. It's like, first of all, any day you want to go toe-to-toe on discipline let's set it up. I fucking love it.

Alan Lazaros:

When you get shit on, it's sneaky, one of my favorite things.

Kevin Palmieri:

Well, I'm not a fan, I know because it's supposed to fire you up a little. It's supposed to ignite the motivation it does but here's the thing when I'm working on my yacht in 50 years, I'm not going to be commented on people's YouTube videos. You know what I mean.

Alan Lazaros:

So that's what you should have said.

Kevin Palmieri:

If that's what, if that's what you want to do, that's what you want to do. But I wouldn't go out of my way to do that and I think that's because I'm super fulfilled and I get I get fulfillment and I get significance and I get purpose from doing this and I've never really been that type of person to comment on people's shit anyway. But I understand. I'm not making it okay, I'm just saying I do understand why people do it. They want significance and that's one way. One way to get significance is to take happiness from somebody else.

Alan Lazaros:

Unfortunately, yeah, not a fan of bullies, of bullies. Chopping someone else down to gain something is, I mean, just a giant waste of your time. You don't actually get any. There is no real utility, it's just emotional. If you really want significance, you can become better. That's. And again, it all comes down to self-belief and everyone out there watching or listening.

Alan Lazaros:

Do a little bit of research on self-efficacy. If you're so inclined, do whatever you want, but I recommend self-efficacy is your unconscious and subconscious belief in your own ability to build something. And even certain people who I genuinely do not like, I never go out of my way to tear them down because it's a waste of my time. Now, do I fight injustice? Yeah, like I mentioned about the documentary, I'm not. I'm not in any way in support of a lot of the shit that's going on, that's hurting the environment and the earth, and I have to allocate my resources to build the self, build the family, build the business, so that the world is a better place, not a worse place. And again, I think a lot of it really does come down to self-belief, because no matter what you do in this life, you're going to get shit on.

Alan Lazaros:

And the unfortunate part too. I mean, I've gotten some texts, man it's. Are you kidding me? I've gotten some texts, man it's, are you kidding me? We, kevin and I, spoke at something called the Confident Women's Consortium. It was a event that we kind of co-hosted early on. This was eight years ago. There's someone who was fucking furious with us Because we're not women.

Kevin Palmieri:

I don't remember. They must have been told to you personally.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, I never told you this person is not a fan, or at least was not a fan of you, and she said well, some woman really hurt him really bad, or whatever. The truth is, we triggered something in her.

Kevin Palmieri:

And yes, you're also correct, yeah, also women.

Alan Lazaros:

Many, many women hurt you, yeah, have hurt you, and this is the interesting thing too. Okay, so men spoke at an event called Confident Women's Consortium, and I understand that you're upset that there aren't enough women speakers. I'm with you, but that's not Kevin and I's fault and we added value and that was an event that we co-hosted and we were invited to do that and we teamed up with this. So, at the end of the day, no matter what and let's go underneath it what are we trying to do? We're trying to do good in the world.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, but like you said, that's a never-ending, because here, okay cool, every time we've hosted an event, we've always tried to make it.

Kevin Palmieri:

Even men and women on stage every time, we all that's something we've always, but you can't explain that to someone. Well, you're gonna sit them down and say all right, alan, just sit for a second. Let me pull out the list, okay. First time there was 70 percent weights. It doesn't matter, that's the thing is it's almost. That's why it's really hard to even put energy into it, because it's just a vacuum. You're most likely never going to get through to the person You're. That's why I don't like to comment back, because I don't want it to go back and forth, but I also don't want my self worth to get stepped on.

Alan Lazaros:

It's like look.

Kevin Palmieri:

I don't want my self-worth to get stepped on. It's like yeah, I don't, I can't imagine you're more disciplined than I am. I'm sorry, I can't imagine you're more disciplined than I am. I just can't I. What'd you end up commenting back something along the look, I love that for you, that you're able to work all over the place. I've worked all over the place too, but I also think my I'm I stand with my opinion that I would be, and we as humans would be more productive in a dark environment. And if there's ever a way we can line up a discipline challenge, I'm happy to go toe-to-toe with you with a little winky face and I'm going to win.

Alan Lazaros:

By the way, a dark room you mean like an office.

Kevin Palmieri:

An office, a dark room.

Alan Lazaros:

Laptop, lifestyle.

Kevin Palmieri:

No, no, no Like yeah, like an office Somewhere where there's no, where you're like locked in you're not floating around on your fucking inner tube with your laptop. What are we doing here?

Alan Lazaros:

what are we doing here? I will give you the scientific data next level nation.

Kevin Palmieri:

What is happening? If you've thought to yourself, I want to try coaching, but you don't really know where to start, group coaching would be a wonderful place for you. That's really why we created it in the first place. We start a new round every 90 days. So if you're hearing this, go to the website nextleveluniversecom and we have the landing page where you can actually hold your spot right now. Even if there's a group going on right now, you can still lock your spot for the next one. The biggest thing that we've seen is, as we get closer and closer to the date, unfortunately, some people end up missing. The group fills up and they can't do it, and then they end up regretting that. So please head over to the website. The link will be in the show notes and we would love to see you there.

Alan Lazaros:

I was away this weekend and I was productive. I was productive Not even close, not even close. I have this little Zen book, little travel laptop. I bring it with me. Emilia and I have our setups. We went to the lake. I am wildly sunburned, compared to it was a rainy day.

Alan Lazaros:

That's what happens when you never leave the house or the office, you know it, and I was probably half as productive, if that, maybe a fourth, because our house is set up for productivity. Back to the utility of this conversation. I have been, unfortunately, shit on my entire life and For whatever reason. Maybe it's low self-worth, maybe it's high self-belief, maybe it's people know I'll tolerate it. Whatever I don't know. I don't know the exact reason, but for whatever reason, I've always been chopped down, for sure Way more than supported. In my opinion, that's shifting a bit, and I think it's because now I have the self-respect where people know that I'm going to actually call it out, which is huge. That's been really nice. I'm not.

Alan Lazaros:

I'm not just going to let someone shit on me anymore without saying well, wait a minute, your shit stinks too. What exactly are you doing with your life? You fucking burnout, right. That's the thing. It's so interesting. It's. It's so easy to shit on me and to shit on what I'm doing, but where are your goals and dreams? Where? Where's your charity? Where are you putting yourself out there? Where are you putting yourself on the line? What exactly are you doing for the world? See, no one messes with you when you become the type of person who isn't going to just let you. Fine, you want to go toe to toe? We will. Now, I'm not going to over swing, but if you're going to take shots, you better be ready to receive at least equal back, and I never used to understand this, so I always figured you know what, whatever, one day I'll show you that never worked.

Kevin Palmieri:

It can't because most people are gone. Most people are gone by then.

Alan Lazaros:

So here's what I did, and this is what I think everyone should do. I really do believe this. I do. I have a list of people I do. I don't think it's noble and I'm not going to go out of my way to make these people's lives worse. But I'll tell you what. I've got a list. Baby, you motivate me more than you can imagine with every shitty thing you've ever said to me behind my back or in person and, by the way, I've heard the shit. Awesome, let's go. That motivates me. I've aim higher, work harder, get smarter. When people are unjust and they mistreat you aim work harder, get smarter. You'll be the one laughing in the end, and that has always worked that's always worked.

Alan Lazaros:

That's the only thing I have control over. Aim higher work, harder get smarter.

Kevin Palmieri:

It doesn't work for everyone, that's the thing, but it does it could, it could, I believe that it could, and it doesn't work as well for everyone.

Alan Lazaros:

I do understand that. I think we all have a fire in us, and some people that fire gets smaller when they get shit on. Other people it gets bigger. For me, the fire gets bigger when I get shit on and aim higher. Work harder, get smarter is a great response and the only way I've ever been able to make it into a positive. I would add one to it, though In my 36 years old, the old me didn't do this, but the new me 100% is going to have the self-respect to shield bump it.

Alan Lazaros:

Last thing, I'll let Kevin talk. I promise you, at all times you have your castle in this metaphor, and I love the movie Troy 2004. They have a shield wall and they're defending their country. Listen, they aren't attacking people, they're defending their country. In this film and in history as well, apparently but again, it's history. So the Greeks are attacking them. They're just defending their country. They're not attacking anyone. This is defense. So they have a shield wall and the Greeks are coming at them with however many troops.

Alan Lazaros:

And there's three things you can do when you have a shield wall. You can hold your ground, which I think is what you did when you commented back. You didn't shield, bump them and blast them into oblivion, but you did a little bit, come on. So you held your fucking ground.

Alan Lazaros:

But what I used to do is take a step back, take a step back, take a step back, and if you do that for too long, eventually you're backed into a corner and then you have to shield, bump hard, and you got to remember this about bullies they're weak as fuck inside. So when you shield, bump hard, you're going to come at them with all the truth and then you're going to create trauma. If you don't defend yourself now, they're going to keep backing you into a corner until eventually it's like wait a minute, and then you come at them with everything, and I don't think that that's constructive. So what I try to do is hold your ground and give them a little bump. Give them a little bump, give them a little something so they know who they're messing with, so that they stop, because otherwise I've learned this they will not stop until you show them that they're not going to get away with it.

Kevin Palmieri:

It's hard. It's hard, but to your, your point. I think you just have to figure out which direction have you gone in in the past? Because I think it is. It is keeping your self-worth. That's what this, this whole conversation, is about. To a degree, if you can, if you just abandon your own self-worth over and over and over like, let's just say, alan's poking fun at me all the time and I just take it and take it and take it, I'm losing self-worth every time. A little bit might not be noticeable, but that's the way I'm trending. Then eventually, when you try to put a stop to that, it feels extremely uncomfortable because you're going against so much momentum. That's why, like, sometimes a little ego is not bad necessarily.

Kevin Palmieri:

I told the story of how, when I was like I don't know how old, I was 18, 19. Somebody messaged me on Facebook and they just like messaged me out of nowhere, said, hey, man, fuck you. And then a bunch of other not so nice stuff and I was like what the fuck? What is going on? Like, dude, next time I see you you're done Like I don't know. I've never seen you, I don't even know who you are. And just so you know, I train martial arts. So if yeah, okay, cool, let's next time I see you, it's on, I guess. Oh, I didn't realize you trained. Wait, is this the right kevin palmieri? No, it's not. Oh, okay, cool. But if I didn't say anything, kid just would have kept talking trash, yeah, and again I was like 19. So there was a little ego of like, yeah, dude, let's do it, I'd fucking love it, I'd love to do it.

Alan Lazaros:

This is the last story, I promise, but this is fun. I'm glad we're doing this. I had a girlfriend in high school that everyone thought was extremely attractive. I would use the word hot. Okay, I think some girls are beautiful. Other girls are hot. I think some are a combination of both Cute, whatever, or a combination of both cute, whatever. She was put it this way. I was with a friend and I was dating her and when she came out of the school she said he turned to me and said dude, she's fucking hot. And this is high school kids, okay. And I said I know man, oh, my goodness. And there was this guy, this dude messages me. He's fucking. So I'm what? 17 at the time. I think I'm 17, I'm a senior in high school. Picture me in high school. I look young. Now imagine me in high school scrawny, just whatever, smart, have a lot going for me, but weak and lanky. And this guy mess who messages me he's like dude, I'm gonna take your girl do I know who this person is?

Alan Lazaros:

no, no, he's. So she's from a different town and he's one of those badasses. He's like 21 years old. This dude was jacked on the sauce, for sure he messages me. He's like dude, I'm going to beat your ass and take your girl. And he was like dude. He dealt pills. He was like one of those and I remember thinking there's nothing I can do. Honestly, I hope she likes smart guys, because I'm fucked. If you must, yeah, if you, yeah. It's like, what the hell am I gonna do? I remember actually thinking there's nothing I could do. I mean, what am I gonna do?

Kevin Palmieri:

go get arrested like fight the guy and or you know.

Alan Lazaros:

So this is one thing. Last thing I'll share I know I gotta jump when you are playing the long game. I never realized this until my 30s. Dude, you have a lot to lose. I can't go get arrested. I have a bright future. When you have a bright future, you have a lot to lose. These people, that guy had nothing to lose. He gets arrested. Whatever. My life already sucks. Oh, if I get arrested, I don't get into college. If I don't get into college, all my dreams go for the dream chasers out there. Goals and dreams, future oriented people have leverage on you. I have a lot to lose. I got a big, bright future. You need to hold on to your self-respect. I remember thinking if you want to take her, take her, because there's nothing I can do. And I remember thinking she's going to want you for sure. You're in way better shape than me.

Alan Lazaros:

Real quick story luckily she has a brain and wants an intelligent man.

Kevin Palmieri:

Real, quick story yeah, the quickest story of all time. Uh, one time I'm gonna use first names craig and john. Okay, I got into. I got into the car with one of my friends and he's like, all right, man, let's go. And I was like, dude, where are we going? And so we're gonna go pick up, we're gonna go pick up john. I was like, oh, I don't know him. But all right, cool, john gets in the car. And craig's like, all right, man, we're gonna go fuck these kids up. And I was like no, no, no, no, definitely not, I want nothing to do with this. Like, what are we doing here?

Kevin Palmieri:

yeah it was one of the scariest moments of my life.

Alan Lazaros:

I know exactly who you're talking about. Yeah, man for sure.

Kevin Palmieri:

It was like, uh, the this, the scene in super bad where he's like hold him, hold him, hold him, jimmy, or whatever, and he's like, no, no, I don't want to hold him.

Alan Lazaros:

That was me, luckily there was no I have a few more of those too, so I like that we're coming up with some of these, man I got some good ones too.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, same All right Kids returned with bats.

Alan Lazaros:

It was not good. Okay, next are so if they feel so inclined. So father's day was yesterday. Kevin and I traditionally spent father's day together because he didn't meet his father till he was 27. My father passed away when I was two. Stepfather left at 14, so it was always a sad day and we turned it into a great day. Why not podcast and grow the business right? Eventually, we started the next level hope foundation. Every father's day, we've had an event for four years straight. This is our fourth event. 12 days from now, it's sunday, june 29th 2025. We have a gofundme. The link will be in the show notes. Every every little bit helps. Thank you so much. Right now, we are currently almost at goal. Let me check in real time. Here we are at 650 raised. We're raising a thousand dollars total. Kevin and I have both contributed. I want to give a huge shout out and thank you to first name's only Noah. No way Do you know? No, no.

Kevin Palmieri:

I'm going to have to ask. I'm going to have to ask we don't know.

Alan Lazaros:

Shout out appreciate it, shout out to you. Thank you so much, amy Kev, thank you Me and Nicole, thank you so much, so so generous. Stephanie, your mom and Mima, both Always.

Kevin Palmieri:

Never miss $100 each.

Alan Lazaros:

So thank you so much. Thank you, Every little bit helps. It can be $5, it can be $500, whatever Like. Every little bit helps. Do not feel bad if the amounts are small. Do not feel bad if the amounts are small. We really appreciate it. Thank you so much.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, every little bit counts. We appreciate anything, anything. If you can do anything and you want to do it, we would appreciate it more than you know and you get a little shout out. It doesn't go unnoticed. And it does not go, I promise, unremembered. All right, cool, as always. We love you, we appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you, and at NLU we don't have fans, we have family. We will talk to you all tomorrow.

Alan Lazaros:

Keep it Next Level.

Kevin Palmieri:

Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. We love connecting with the Next Level family.

Alan Lazaros:

We mean it when we say family. If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. Everything you need to get a hold of us is in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri:

Thank you again and we will talk to you tomorrow. You.

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