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What’s Winning: Personal Or Professional Life? (2109)

• Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

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Winning in work and life, together. In today’s episode, Kevin and Alan get real about the constant tug-of-war between personal and professional life. They unpack the hidden costs of ambition, how neglect creeps in, and why true success means mastering both sides of the equation. From financial wisdom to relationship lessons, this conversation will leave you thinking differently about what it means to “have it all.” Tune in and start building a life that works on every level.

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Show notes:
(2:54) When responsibilities start stacking
(5:17) Personal wins Vs. Professional gains
(8:18) Neglect ruins everything
(10:48) Why professional skills still matter
(14:29) Understanding your financial age
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Kevin Palmieri:

I do not want to start this episode off in a negative light, but it is really really, really freaking hard to juggle personal life and professional life, because the thing that you feel needs to be the priority is almost always going to get all of your time, and then the other part that you're not focusing on is going to get worse, and then it just gets overwhelming and it compounds and it's a whole freaking thing.

Alan Lazaros:

There's someone I'm thinking of who is very professionally developed, very successful in corporate, but not very personally developed and not very successful in their intimate relationship or in their interpersonal relationships relationships. Then there's other people who are unbelievably well-developed internally vulnerability, courage, humility, great in their intimate relationship, but they're not successful in the professional realm and you need both.

Kevin Palmieri:

Welcome to Next Level University. I'm your host, kevin Palmieri, and I'm your co-host, alan Lazarus. At NLU, we believe in a heart-driven but no BS approach to holistic self-improvement for dream chasers.

Alan Lazaros:

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Kevin Palmieri:

Welcome to Next Level University, next Level Nation today for episode number 2109. What's winning, personal or professional life? Had to go to the DMV yesterday. The Department of Motor Vehicles had to renew the old license. Get the new license so I can travel, whatever, whatever.

Kevin Palmieri:

Shout out to my wonderful wife, taryn, set it all up, got the. She said, made the appointments for us. She's the fucking best. But I had to wrap my day up at like 3 30 to go because that was the latest appointment I think they had because they only worked till 5. Shout out to them and we walk in and there's a line out the fucking door again. Shout out to taryn for scheduling us on appointments, appreciate that. So we get to go up and it was a lot quicker. It only took probably 45 minutes. All things considered. That's really good. But I had a moment where it was like I never would have done that unless taryn planned it. I know myself as humbly as humanly possible. I wouldn't have done it. I wouldn't have done it, I would have waited. Have done it, I would have waited and I would have put it off and I would have waited. We have four weddings in August. I have to get my suit pants tailored it's on my list.

Alan Lazaros:

You guys have four weddings in August.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, oh no, I told you this summer is going to be a rough one for me. I've already planned it all out. Trust, trust me, I'm on it, I promise. Oh my goodness. But that's one of the reasons I thought this would be a really good episode is because the rest of the time it hasn't been that bad I just rsvp'd uh, regretfully, to a wedding that I would have loved to go to, but I said I had to prioritize the business.

Kevin Palmieri:

I understand. I understand these are non-negotiations. These, I mean one of the best man in, so you can't really.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, yeah, I'm not, can't really skip that one.

Kevin Palmieri:

Four others though.

Alan Lazaros:

Three others.

Kevin Palmieri:

Three others. Three others.

Alan Lazaros:

Yeah, they're family.

Kevin Palmieri:

Non-negotiations? They're yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all non-negotiations. So that rash is coming back and tyron's like you gotta make an appointment I. What I first need to do is I need to figure out whether or not I have to pay the 450 my insurance company charged me for the last time I went, even though I pay 450 a month for insurance. You think it'd make just like wash out somewhere. I gotta call them. I'm not going back if I gotta pay 400 bucks, so I gotta call to see if that's taken care of. Until that's done, I'm not making a fucking appointment and there are certain things that just keep getting pushed off. If I, if I sent you a picture of the office right now, oh my god picture I saw on social was so nice yeah that was eight months ago.

Kevin Palmieri:

That was a long time ago. That was a long time ago. I had to dig back in my yeah, that was not today, oh, okay I didn't know that.

Alan Lazaros:

I was like no, he was nice and clean shaven. I don't think that's no.

Kevin Palmieri:

I shaved the other day, but my desk is not bad, but like everything else is, because it's just. I had a wake to go to last week. I took all of my dress clothes out of the closet because I haven't worn dress clothes in a fucking year. They're over there still. I I gotta put them back in the closet. It's a whole thing. I am struggling so bad right now with juggling personal and professional, because the professional just matters more in terms of the specific results I am aspiring to, and it's just fucking brutal. It's just brutal, so I figured it would be cool to do an episode on it, because that this is what we want, this is what I aspire to. My fucking light just blew out for some reason, so I'm gonna have to fix that at some point throw that on the list.

Kevin Palmieri:

It's a minor. It's a minor light. We aspire health, wealth and love, aspire to it. But personal and professional is a little bit different because it crosses over in different ways. And yeah, yeah, I thought it would make for an interesting episode.

Alan Lazaros:

Answer which one you're 35, which one give me the theme. So give me from zero to five, five to ten, ten to fifteen, fifteen to twenty, twenty five, zero to five. I shit myself often and which one were you?

Kevin Palmieri:

more focused on personal or professional. I drank my bubba. Personal uh, personal, crushing it. Yeah, yeah, five, zero to five. Personal, five to ten. Personal, 10 to 15. Personal, 15 to 20. Personal, 20 to 25 professional, probably professional, yeah, 25 to 30 professional, 30 to 35, 30 to 35 professional, and then, you know, 35 to 40 is obviously going to be super professional, but the personal is stacking faster. That's the thing is like now. The professional is stacking super quick. There's so much going on great, super, super grateful, privileged, awesome, love it but now the personal thing is stacking faster than it ever has to, because there's other stuff that you can only go so long without washing the towels yeah, of course you can only go so long without, whatever the thing is, or going grocery shopping, whatever, yeah, that there's so many of those.

Alan Lazaros:

Of course there's so many of those. You know, I don't feel like people ever were clear enough. And again, of course, I have this thing why weren't we taught more? It blows my mind. It always will, it always will. Yeah, if you want more success, you must also want more responsibility. I'm thinking of someone who has seven properties. We have a project list for the entire summer and there's a lot on it. I don't believe it. I have one property. So many projects, too much.

Alan Lazaros:

Emilia wanted to do real estate. In the past she was a real estate agent. She wanted to buy Airbnb. No, nope, and we talked about it. I didn't say no, that sounded wrong. We talked about it. It's like you know what? Maybe not? Let's build our three businesses and let's stick with that. And here's my point. I think there's this weird thing where people want results without the responsibility. I have two cats and a dog. People always, and some some parents, do this. They complain about their kids and it's like why are you complaining about your children? You wanted children. What did you think? It was going to be easy.

Kevin Palmieri:

I think about that all the time.

Alan Lazaros:

I think you can't have children and not want the responsibility that comes with having children. There's an upside and a downside to everything. Genuinely, I always think about everything's an iceberg. There's above the surface and below the surface. You want to get married Great. There's a responsibility. You have to earn that every single day. You want to buy a house Okay, there's a mortgage. There's projects. You have to take care of it. You ever see one of those houses that's been completely engulfed, like jumanji, because that that house isn't going to be worth anything I'm excited because one day I'll be able to go scoop that thing up, say, hey, I'll take this off your hands yeah, and then you're gonna have to jumanji that fucking.

Kevin Palmieri:

Well, I'm gonna have to pay someone because I I can't do it for sure.

Alan Lazaros:

that's what I'm saying. So all things neglected neglect destroys all things. Neglected neglect destroys all things. It does destroy destroys all things personal, professional. If I were to go through my timeline, professional was always the priority, always, but I think that's because goals require when it comes to your career. I actually think there's a huge disconnect Challenge for everyone out there watching or listening From now on, just for a week, maybe a couple days, when you meet someone personal or professional, on just for a week, maybe a couple days, when you meet someone personal or professional, you crossed the chasm.

Alan Lazaros:

Recently, most people I remember I had a mentor and he met kev and I remember him behind the scenes was like why, kev? And of course, dude, honestly, with all love, like of course he's gonna say that right, look, if you're listening right now.

Kevin Palmieri:

I want you to know that I was in better shape than you, good sir, and I had something worth something. It was very hidden and it was under a lot of dirt. There was a diamond in there somewhere, I assure you.

Alan Lazaros:

And he didn't mean it negatively, he just he was actually asking. He was actually saying and I said he works like a workhorse. That was my justification Workhorse, dude grinds Way more than anyone you have working for you, sir, and that's true. That is true. What else did I say?

Alan Lazaros:

No, the truth is, in the professional sense, kev didn't have a lot going for him. You didn't have a resume. You don't have a college degree. You don't have a master's degree. You don't have a resume. You don't have a college degree. You don't have a master's degree. You don't cover letter, linkedin. You don't even have a fucking LinkedIn.

Alan Lazaros:

I'm not trying to be a dick, but you weren't going to win in the professional realm outside of certain things, and that's okay. Like I just wish people think I'm such a fucking asshole and it's like listen, I'm not. I actually care enough to tell you. I care enough to tell you you need a resume, you need a cover letter, you need a LinkedIn. You need to ask someone how to build a resume and a cover letter. There's courses you can take. Like you have to be a professional in this world If you want to have a great career. You have to go to career development, and I remember I went to career development in my college and they taught me how to build a resume and I went to career fairs Like I didn't just results, don't just, oh, I just got another job. This is awesome. That doesn't. It's not how it works. So, at the end of the day, I've always been very professional and career oriented, so I'm on the very high end of that and so, yes, I'm a little preachy when it comes to that, like your future.

Alan Lazaros:

I said this to a couple we were just coaching. I said, listen, you guys want to retire one day and not have to work. You're still going to work, they've said that, but you want to not have to work. I said let me teach you how to do it. You build wealth now and eventually you accumulate enough wealth where the interest from your investments pays you a salary, and that salary I crunched the numbers. If you can accumulate $3 million in investments, which is doable I can show you the math it's totally doable, especially in the US. You can. 8% year over year is $240,000. You can just siphon that right off the snowball and now you never have to work again. That's not that hard to do if, if you're focused on your career and investing and you earn more, spend less and invest the difference. There are a lot of wealthy people out there that aren't actually that much more capable than you. They just did something you didn't.

Alan Lazaros:

And last piece, I'll share this. I said how long have you guys? Because they opened up the Relationship Talks coaching session. We help people achieve their dreams in their relationship and, by the way, married couples, it's way easier together. It's exponentially easier when you have a partner that you're certain about. It's unbelievable. What I can achieve with Emilia has blown my mind compared to what I could do alone. It's been really cool, but anyways.

Alan Lazaros:

So the male in the relationship said alan, teach me about money. I want to like how do we build wealth? I was like I thought you'd never fucking ask. It's so exciting. And we went through the whole thing and I said how old are you? How long have you guys? Because they they see people on instagram and facebook and they see their friends vacations and boats and all this stuff.

Alan Lazaros:

I said two things. Number one, a lot of those people are in debt and their future self is paying for that stuff. And number two, a lot of it is generational wealth Genuinely their families, inheritance, generational wealth, businesses, investments, properties like generational wealth's a big thing and you can research that. I said this. I said how long has it been since you? You guys have really really had your shit together in finance. And the female said when we bought the house. I said well, how long you had the house? She said 14 months. I said okay, so about a year. She said yeah. He said for me, I got out of debt completely like five or six years ago. Five, he said five years ago I was 24. He's 29 now. I said okay, so you guys are only six. Your financial age is six. You're like a little toddler running around. You guys, you haven't built wealth yet. You're only six. That's okay. See, in their mind they're 29 and 28. Yeah, that's a good way to look at it. Nice, Thank you you nearly said the same thing.

Alan Lazaros:

But I know someone else who their father created an investment account when they were born for their college and she invested 20% of her income from when she was 14, and he put in money every month until she was in her mid-20s and now she's going to be a multimillionaire. She's 14 now and when she's 30, she'll be a millionaire in financial age. So their financial age, combined financial age, is only 6. That's what people don't realize is most people don't even have their finances even remotely buttoned up until 30. And I think that that's to bring this back to the professional versus personal.

Alan Lazaros:

Personal life is about quality of life. Personal life is about your intimate relationship. Personal life is about what shoes you wear and what clothing you wear and where you go to eat food and where you vacation, and that is one facet of life, but that cannot be the majority. If you want to be successful, you better be focused on your professional career. We are professional podcasters. I'm a coach, a trainer and a speaker. I'm a CEO of a future of a company that has grossed more than a million dollars. I need to lead with that if I want to be successful, that I have skills and I don't want to see people I adore suffer any longer out of the ignorance of thinking that the professional side doesn't matter, because it matters just as much, if not more, than the personal side.

Kevin Palmieri:

I think it does matter more, because the professional life is what allows you to have a good personal life. Well said.

Alan Lazaros:

NLU listener what is happening? I just wanted to jump in here and let you know if you want to get to the next level faster. We have a free virtual monthly meetup at the first Thursday of every month. You can connect with like-minded people and become a bigger part of this amazing global community. The link to register will be in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri:

Realistically right. I did.

Alan Lazaros:

I said to Kev earlier. Uh, younger, what age Cause? Nobody sold you on this?

Kevin Palmieri:

I don't think you could have. I was anti, like I was anti, do what everybody else was doing. You could have said Kev, go to college and when you get out of college 10 years from now, you make a million dollars a year. I don't think I would have done it.

Alan Lazaros:

I genuinely don't think I would have. What if they thought you financed?

Kevin Palmieri:

I mean, yeah, I think that would have been helpful. I don't know, it's hard for me because it's like I think it had to happen in the way it happened, in a way you could sell you on it for sure it's not. It's not that I couldn't sell me on it, but it took me this long to get to the place where I'd be able to sell me on it. So I don't know if I think it had to happen in the way it had to happen. I do I'm not.

Alan Lazaros:

I'm not saying we're changing it, I'm saying okay, there's. There's someone who's not kevin, who's similar to kevin, who's 20 years old and has spent the first four, five year spans, like you, in the beginning of this episode, only focused on personal. What do you say to that man? Because that man wouldn't even talk to me.

Kevin Palmieri:

He would have if you dumbed it down a little bit Fair. If you said, Kev, you're only six in finance years, I'd be like fuck, yeah, that's true, no, you were zero.

Kevin Palmieri:

Yeah, you were just born, You're a newborn. You can't even lift your head up yet. I don't know. Man, you gotta put a filter on the fun, you gotta put it. And again, all things considered, I was I'm not, I was fucked, I was in a lot of trouble, but I did work really, really hard and I was super consistent with my like. I worked night shifts cleaning a hospital like working at a hospital, cleaning bathrooms and floors and cleaning beds after people passed away. When I was 20 I don't even know if I was 20 yet 19, 19 to 20 in the 19 to 21 span. I was doing that when all my friends were away, either at college or coming back from college, getting like trying to get their real jobs. That was something that I had I had been doing, so I don't I.

Alan Lazaros:

What a blast from the past what a blast from the past. Yeah, I watched world double dare last night remember double dare I don't think, I I don't know nickelodeon oh my god, I remember nickelodeon and I go way back. It was on youtube.

Kevin Palmieri:

Hey arnold, hey arnold yeah I watched rugrats like a few months ago. I've just been in a nostalgia place. It would. It would just be watching rugrats. I just had to see.

Alan Lazaros:

I just had to see, yeah, the rugrats movie.

Kevin Palmieri:

I remember seeing it yeah, rugrats in paris yeah that see, you know the deal.

Kevin Palmieri:

I don't know what I would say. I would probably say you've got to put a filter on fun, because if you max out the fun meter now again, I always use the video game analogy Like when you're building a character, you can give them super strength or they can be super fast or whatever If you put all of your eggs into the fun basket, you're going to get to a place where those eggs are going to be dead and there's nothing else to put in the fun basket and you're not going to be able to replenish it. That's kind of my thought, I. But outside of that I did work hard and I did think I was going to be. I thought eventually I'd get to a place where I was successful if I just kept working my way up.

Kevin Palmieri:

I was convinced I then I was like this is a really interesting conversation, because I do think, yeah, I think, I figured something out, not this level, no god, no, no, I probably would have stayed at that. I either would have stayed at that job or I would have fucking killed myself. One of the two, look, all right, it's my story. I know I had suicidal ideations.

Alan Lazaros:

You say I know, I understand, let me let me clarify. Let me clarify, yeah I am.

Kevin Palmieri:

I am not lessening that, I am not making fun of that at all, but those, honestly, are the two things that I either would have. I can't imagine ever leaving that job and going to something else that wasn't this.

Alan Lazaros:

Just for an FYI for the listeners who are new. Kevin has an interesting relationship with mortality and whenever he faces any past pain or trauma, he always smiles. He laughs. One time I was crying on the podcast and he had to pinch himself to make sure he didn't start laughing.

Kevin Palmieri:

It is again. I have a lot to work on in therapy. That will be one of the things. For sure. It's just a defense mechanism. It happens all the time. Like tyron, I'll be having a serious conversation. I'm like, don't fucking laugh, dude, like you're gonna fuck this whole thing up don't laugh because you're you're about to smirk I know I can see it coming on.

Kevin Palmieri:

I know it was. It was very serious. I can't imagine. I cannot imagine leaving that job. I can't imagine ever going back. I was thinking of this recently. I remember my ex-girlfriend at the time went to Whole Foods no Wegmans and I was paying for groceries at the time and I remember we checked out it was like $650 for groceries and I was like, yeah, checked out, it was like 650 bucks for groceries. And I was like, yeah, whatever cool, here's, here's the card, run it. And I didn't even, I did not have to think twice at all about it. Yeah, I'm excited now again. Will I ever actually get to that place again? No, because my awareness is high enough to realize, like well, that 650 could be 580 if you exchange some of the name brand shit for the off brand shit. But I was just thinking of that and how I just it felt so good to have so much certainty, even though most of it was just ignorance, not certainty. Now I have so much certainty, but it's hyper awareness, you know you.

Alan Lazaros:

I saw. I remember this is in the early days, probably seven years ago, and I said to kev dude this, it's crazy how ignorant we were. We were in the studio and I said, kev, everyone has a linkedin. He said, dude fucking nobody has nobody.

Kevin Palmieri:

Nobody. Nobody I spend time with has a linkedin brother. Every person I went to school with well, of course you went to a goddamn technical college.

Alan Lazaros:

I know, I know, I didn't realize, like I remember when you said I don't even know if I know an engineer yeah yeah, that's the professional thing. Most corporations have engineers there that build things dude me.

Kevin Palmieri:

It would have been like do you know anybody who, like casually, does cocaine on the weekends? No, I do. I know a bunch of people actually. Well then, I'm a weird bird because I'm not saying I wasn't one of them.

Alan Lazaros:

No, no, hell yeah, I knew both uh for sure, and some of them in corporate. Believe it or not, I do believe it, but at the end of the day, real quick. That is how you and I merged worlds. It was so weird, dude, we used to. We used to call them m's and e's people that are logical versus emotional.

Alan Lazaros:

And, yeah, corporation conscientiousness, professional structured discipline, metrics, habits, career orientation, goal orientation that's a very certain type of person and here's what I really hope for everybody out there watching or listening. If you're on the personal side and that comes naturally great, you've got to work on the professional side, got to. And if you're on the professional side, like I was, I had to work on the internal stuff. I had to really work on myself. I had to get to know myself. I already understood how the world worked and that kind of stuff. And again, not fully obviously, but if you had to pick one personal or professional, I was way more professionally developed than I was personally developed. You were way more personally developed than you were professionally developed.

Alan Lazaros:

In the 21st century you have to be ambidextrous, you have to be, you have to be personally developed to win in the real world with your real husband or wife, whoever it is, with your kids, with your family, with your family's family, with your friends, your colleagues, like real world. You have to be personally developed, but you better have a career too. You got to. You got to be professionally developed too. There are two sides of the same coin if you want to be fulfilled and successful and holistic and wholesome. So again, at the end of the day, I think it's a great conversation and I think all of us can be if you're righty, work on your left. Maybe your right will always be stronger, but you can still dribble with your left and vice versa. If you're lefty, work on your right and it'll open up a whole new world for you. For sure, definitely.

Kevin Palmieri:

A ton of opportunities and I don't know how to do the other side. I don't know if you're super professional, how to do better at personal. I don't know if I would even know how to advise that Vulnerability.

Kevin Palmieri:

Well, I'm talking more like how do you get, how do I get all the stuff that has to get done in the business and professional realm and then also the stuff that has to get done the personal realm again. Well, we can do a different episode at some point. We won't dive into it because I know we're running along, but but that's where this whole thing came from. It's like dude, I'm crushing everything here, but my personal to-do list is piling up. It's like when the when the hell am I gonna do that? When am I gonna do that? Like I have to do the dishes. It's eight, it's 8, 15 and again. This is like a really good problem to have. Again, all things considered, there are far worse positions to be in. But the dishes are. I have a tower coming out of the sink right now. It is over the fucking. It's bad, gotta go do it.

Kevin Palmieri:

If I didn't have a wife, that shit would never get done and it would be really bad. Like I would, I would be recycling plates. It's like that's was that ketchup or blood that looks like ketchup. Throw the taco on there, don't worry about that. So yeah, it's. There's just so much. There's just an influx. When there's an influx of both, you're gonna go with the one that seems like it's the most important in the short run, and the other one's gonna stack up always, always, always. You're, you're on the beach with a margarita, your work emails, ting, ting, ting, they're stacking, they're stacking, you're doing your emails. But there's something else, especially if you're a parent. I can can only imagine stacking up. So, yeah, I don't have an answer. This probably is one of those episodes that creates more problems than anything. But I see you and I feel you and I support you and, uh, I understand to the degree I can understand if you're, if you're dealing with it right now, in real time.

Alan Lazaros:

I kid you not. Emilia is excited for a night with me and she said she was. Do I have permission to barge into your office and stop you from working past eight o'clock? And it's 8 15 now. So my professional life is winning right now in this moment and my personal life is taking a hit, and that is the law of trade-offs. That is what it is to have responsibilities. So let's get the fuck out of here. Let's get out of here.

Kevin Palmieri:

All right, if you are looking for a group of people who are going through what you're going through to some degree, alan and myself included. It might be in a different way at a different time, whatever, but I'm struggling with this right now and that's what NLU is and that's what it's built on is we have not arrived, we will never arrive. We are striving forever and that means we're going through it with you. We have a private Facebook group called Next Level Nation. We'll have the link in the show notes below.

Alan Lazaros:

Also, we have a meetup coming up Let me pull this up here in July. Ah, habits, building, winning habits how habits work, building winning habits how habits work and how to sustain great ones. Kevin and I have been focused on this for eight years. 10 years ago I started these little black notebooks. I have them over in the corner of my office where I would track habits. And now we do it all in Google Sheets and we have metrics and habits and all kinds of stuff.

Alan Lazaros:

But it all started simply with I remember I did this exercise called the three column exercise. The first column was all my negative habits. The second column was all my neutral habits and then the third column was all the habits that I wanted to build. And I remembered I would try to replace column A, one from column A, and put a new one in column B. So, for example, I quit drinking and I started weight training. That's a perfect example that one habit of replacing drinking with weight training has changed my whole freaking life. Because what's the worst thing you can do for building muscle? Drinking alcohol, one of the worst things. And so come join us, build winning habits that your future self will thank you for. The link to register will be in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri:

As always, we love you, we appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you and at NLU we don't have fans, we have family. We will talk to you all tomorrow.

Alan Lazaros:

Keep it Next Level, next Level Nation.

Kevin Palmieri:

Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. We love connecting with the Next.

Alan Lazaros:

Level family. We mean it when we say family. If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. Everything you need to get a hold of us is in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri:

Thank you again and we will talk to you tomorrow.

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Alan Lazaros

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Kevin Palmieri

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