How Do You Know When It’s Time To Quit A Goal (2118)

How do you know when it’s okay to quit a goal? In this episode, Kevin and Alan get real about the hard choices we face when our goals start pulling us in different directions. Whether it’s fitness, business, or relationships, sometimes quitting one goal is what allows us to succeed in another. You’ll hear honest stories, a little humor, and thoughtful tips on how to figure out what truly matters most to you. This quick chat could help you rethink how you set and reset your priorities.

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Show notes:
(2:22) Conflicting priorities and shifting focus
(5:11) The real cost of willpower
(9:12) Desire fades as goals are reached
(13:05) Why “no regrets” holds us back
(14:01) Next Level Dreamliner: The planner, agenda, journal, and habit tracker to rule them all. Get a copy: https://a.co/d/9fPpxEt
(16:20) Tradeoffs: You can’t have it all
(20:15) Missed millions and future clarity
(22:26) Emotions Vs. Logic in goal setting
(24:41) Outro

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Chapters

• 2:22 Conflicting priorities and shifting focus
• 5:11 The real cost of willpower
• 9:12 Desire fades as goals are reached
• 13:05 Why “no regrets” holds us back
• 14:01 Next Level Dreamliner: The planner, agenda, journal, and habit tracker to rule them all. Get a copy:
• 16:20 Tradeoffs: You can’t have it all
• 20:15 Missed millions and future clarity
• 22:26 Emotions Vs. Logic in goal setting
• 25:23 Outro

Transcript

Kevin Palmieri

(0:00) Knowing what goal to set, I think is really important and obviously a master skill. (0:06) It might be even more of a master skill to know what goals are no longer serving you and to know what goals to quit.

Alan Lazaros

(0:13) I think that it's time to quit a goal when it's conflicting with a more important one.

Kevin Palmieri

(0:19) Welcome to Next Level University. (0:22) I'm your host, Kevin Palmieri. (0:24) And I'm your co-host, Alan Lazarus.(0:27) At NLU, we believe in a heart-driven but no BS approach to holistic self-improvement for dream chasers.

Alan Lazaros

(0:33) Our goal with every episode is to help you level up your life, love, health, and wealth.

Kevin Palmieri

(0:40) We bring you a new episode every single day on topics like confidence, self-belief, self-worth, self-awareness, relationships, boundaries, consistency, habits, and defining your own unique version of success.

Alan Lazaros

(0:56) Self-improvement in your pocket, every day, from anywhere, completely free. (1:02) Welcome to Next Level University.

Kevin Palmieri

(1:08) Next Level Nation, today for episode number 2,118, we're gonna hit you with a quick 15. (1:13) So hang on, put your seatbelt on, that's all, I guess, those two things. (1:18) How do you know when it's time to quit a goal?(1:21) Alright, we're doing the, for me it's not a 10 pound in 10 week challenge, it's, it was pretty much a 5 week in 10 week, a 5 pound in 10 week challenge. (1:31) Alan's doing 10 pounds in 10 weeks. (1:33) Everybody in the Next Level Fitness Accountability Group is kind of doing a different thing.(1:37) I woke up today and I was at 172, I think. (1:44) No, I was at 173. (1:45) I went and did an hour of cardio and then I was like, I'm gonna sit in the sauna for like 20 minutes and see if I can sweat out a little extra weight, maybe, let me see what my weight's at today, maybe I'll be under 170 after I do that.(1:56) And I was at 170.5. And I was like, eh, I'm not gonna push it, I don't, I do not wanna go back in the sauna. (2:02) And I had a moment where I was like, okay, I'm right around my goal, it is getting to the point where it is becoming detrimental, where there's just too much going on, I'm going to Vermont next week, I'm going to Myrtle Beach, the last thing I wanna do is be dieting when I'm doing those things. (2:22) I don't wanna do that.(2:24) It's my best friend's bachelor party. (2:26) I'm gonna be dieting the whole, like, come on, what are we doing here? (2:28) That's not, not necessarily a good look.(2:31) And I've been dieting for like 5 months, or 4 months. (2:36) I'm essentially done with it. (2:38) I'm not quitting the goal, but to Alan's point, when the goal conflicts with other goals, when the goal is no longer serving the purpose of the, the goal, yeah, when it's not serving the purpose that it did at the start, it's worth looking at.(2:54) I'm not saying you should quit goals when they get hard, I'm not saying that. (2:58) But you have to revisit it and say, okay, where am I now versus where I was? (3:04) Is it still serving me?(3:05) Are circumstances changed? (3:07) All that stuff. (3:08) So, yeah, how do you know when it's time to quit a goal?(3:10) That is the question I would pose to you, to start this episode.

Alan Lazaros

(3:14) How do you know when it's time to quit a goal? (3:18) The first thought that I had when we were deciding to do this episode is, it's when it conflicts with a more important goal. (3:28) So, what is the more important goal it's conflicting with?

Kevin Palmieri

(3:32) Productivity? (3:33) Business? (3:34) Yeah, it's hard to be dialed in all day when all you can think about is food.(3:38) Yep. (3:39) It's hard.

Alan Lazaros

(3:41) Yeah, your willpower is lower. (3:43) For sure. (3:44) There's a direct correlation between blood sugar and willpower.

Kevin Palmieri

(3:48) And you're doing intermittent fasting. (3:50) I would say that I'm playing on, I'm playing on legendary mode every day because I'm, there is no food. (3:56) Even after a work, I told you this, I said, this is not good.(3:58) I work out at 6.30 and I come home, 6.30 in the morning and then I come home and I work a 12, 13 hour day and then I eat at like eight o'clock at night. (4:07) Probably not optimal. (4:08) Definitely not.(4:09) So. (4:09) Definitely not.

Alan Lazaros

(4:10) Yeah.

Kevin Palmieri

(4:10) Your muscles need protein.

Alan Lazaros

(4:12) Brain, muscles, everything. (4:15) Yep. (4:15) Everything.(4:16) Well, the way that I think about it too, and again, this is a side tangent, but you have 50 trillion cells, fat cells, muscle cells, bone cells, brain cells, whatever, 50 trillion. (4:28) Every one is a little factory and every single one of them has to go with less than they need to produce the shirts or the fucking whatever in the metaphor.

Kevin Palmieri

(4:38) Yep.

Alan Lazaros

(4:39) That's why you feel like shit.

Kevin Palmieri

(4:41) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(4:41) That's why winning a fitness show was so challenging because I had to make sure every 50 trillion of my little factories basically ran out of materials, raw materials. (4:50) And I was just like, uh, this is terrible. (4:53) This is terrible.(4:54) So when I'm bulking, I actually feel not like a superhero, but in comparison, when I'm bulking, I feel unbelievably more willpower, more self control, less fear, less risk averse, more productive, more on point, more intelligent. (5:11) I feel so smart when I'm, and honestly, there is a correlation to a lot of people. (5:16) And again, I don't want to be unkind with this, but a lot of people that are overweight, uh, in business owners, there are a lot of people that are business owners end up very overweight.(5:25) One of the reasons is because they're on the road, they get fast food, whatever, but it's also because productivity requires food. (5:34) And if you have to use willpower all day, I remember when I was in sales, I, I had, you know, brunch lunch and learns pizza. (5:43) We, it was a whole thing, man.(5:44) You're on the road. (5:45) All you do is take people out to talk about the machinery. (5:49) And I was in industrial automation, but at the end of the day, when do you know it's time to quit a goal is when it's conflicting with a more important goal.(5:57) Okay. (5:58) Well, how do you know what's a more important goal?

Kevin Palmieri

(6:03) I health, wealth, and love. (6:06) I think that's probably the easiest way to categorize it. (6:08) Is this, is this fitness goal affecting my relationship?(6:12) Is this relationship goal affecting my business? (6:14) Is this business goal affecting whatever? (6:17) And then at least you can revisit it.(6:19) One of the reasons I wasn't nearly as focused on fitness as I needed to be is because I was way more focused on the business and I'm okay. (6:28) I was okay with that. (6:29) And I've said that before, like the business there, how often does the business come before I do like so often, so often I'm okay with that.(6:37) Is it going to be that way forever? (6:39) No, it won't be nuts to the degree it is now, but I'm okay with that. (6:42) So yeah, I would say if you can segment it and ask yourself, what is, what is this taking the place of energetically or whatever, is it more valuable to you?

Alan Lazaros

(6:54) But what really happened though, you wanted to be in shape for summer. (6:58) You wanted to be in shape for the bachelor party. (7:00) You are now.(7:01) So you've reached, this is really what happened. (7:04) I did this with a client yesterday. (7:07) Your desire, let's say your desire to have a great body was 10 for the bachelor party.(7:12) Let's say your fear of not having a great body was also high. (7:17) That's when humans take action. (7:19) It's when desire, fear goes down, desire goes up, but they're connected.(7:24) So I'll explain. (7:25) So your desire to be in great shape for the bachelor party was very high. (7:29) It's not just that though.(7:31) I know, I know I'm simplifying it.

Kevin Palmieri

(7:33) I know, I know. (7:34) But, but from, I told Taryn, I said, when I get back from the bachelor party, I'm going to, I'm going to try to go down to one 68. (7:42) I think I just need a little bit of a, I'm going to do my best.(7:45) We're going to see, right. (7:46) I might fuck this whole up. (7:47) I don't want it.

Alan Lazaros

(7:48) Why?

Kevin Palmieri

(7:49) Because this is a long term. (7:52) I look back and realize how lean and muscular I was when I was younger. (7:58) And I, now I know if I can get to a certain level of leanness, I can essentially just fluctuate up a little bit and then down a little bit and I'll be in shape forever.(8:07) And I won't really ever, I'm not doing these big bulks anymore. (8:10) I'm not doing any of that shit. (8:12) I don't want to do that.(8:12) That's not how I got here. (8:14) I started doing that when I was bodybuilding, but I think I have good enough genetics where I don't have to do that. (8:19) I don't have to do a big bulk.(8:20) Like, let me eat in a surplus, but not, I don't need to be eating a thousand extra calories a day. (8:24) What are we doing here? (8:25) I'm not going to be a professional bodybuilder.(8:27) You know, just trying to come at it from a different angle, I guess. (8:33) You miss being that lean? (8:36) I miss being freakishly for lack of better phrasing lean, but not, not bodybuilding lean.(8:45) I, if I, if I had a picture right now and I put it up of how lean I was before I started the bodybuilding show, I was already lean enough for a photo shoot. (8:54) Yeah. (8:55) Just not to win a bodybuilding show.(8:57) I should, if I just stayed there, I would have been totally happy with that. (9:00) I just didn't. (9:01) What percent body fat do you think?(9:02) I'm not good at that. (9:03) I don't know. (9:04) 14 probably.(9:06) I don't know. (9:07) I genuinely don't. (9:08) I'm not, I'm terrible at that.(9:09) I'm not, I don't know.

Alan Lazaros

(9:12) No, for the purpose of this episode though, let's assume that your desire to be lean did go down as you got closer. (9:21) Cause that's what happens, right? (9:23) Cause people always say, well, why 10 pounds?(9:25) It's arbitrary. (9:26) 10 pounds in 10 weeks sounds cool. (9:29) There's no real rationale behind that.(9:32) Everybody has a rationalization story for why they do what they do. (9:34) It's a narrative. (9:35) It's well, okay, well, why do you want to be leaner?(9:37) Well, I want to look better. (9:38) Okay, why do you want to look better? (9:40) Well, I like feel good when I look better.(9:42) Right? (9:42) So at the end of the day, I don't want to go too, too crazy deep because what is the point of being leaner? (9:48) So when do you know when to quit a goal when it's conflicting with one that's more important?(9:52) How do you know what's more important? (9:54) It completely depends on the future you want. (9:56) This is why I came at you so much in the last episode, because if you don't know the future you want, none of this can even be calculated.(10:03) We talked about the past, the last episode though, but the opportunity cost part. (10:07) Yeah, we talked about opportunity. (10:08) But it didn't, there was no opportunity cost because there was no opportunity.(10:11) Exactly. (10:12) You said because your thesis was because I wanted to maximize my potential, of course, I'm going to regret the things in the past that were wildly detrimental to that. (10:21) Whereas if you don't care about that, there's no opportunity cost.

Kevin Palmieri

(10:24) Or maybe I'm just better at rationalizing it in my head. (10:27) I do think that's true. (10:28) Right?(10:28) Like, do I regret not staying in that level of shape the whole time? (10:33) Yes. (10:34) And there's no fucking way.(10:36) What? (10:36) No. (10:37) No, no.(10:37) There was though. (10:39) There was. (10:40) I can't imagine a world where I would have done it though.(10:43) Why? (10:45) Because there were other things that were more important. (10:47) Like finding a way to make money.(10:50) So I didn't. (10:51) 100%. (10:51) That, I think.

Alan Lazaros

(10:53) If you took this level of consciousness, let me break this down. (10:57) If you took Kevin's brain now, what you are aware of now, and put it into Kev five years ago, when you were leaner and bigger, and we both were, that's why. (11:06) Okay.(11:06) So I'll be honest. (11:07) I regret when COVID hit, I was overhead pressing 225 seated for reps. (11:13) I was very, very big compared to now.(11:16) I had a lot more muscle mass. (11:17) I was out of the gym for four months. (11:19) Very rarely do I blame external circumstances for my own inadequacies.(11:23) This affected me. (11:25) When I got back to the gym, I cried on the way there, happy tears. (11:29) I blew my freaking rib out because I had a belt on while doing leg press and tore my groin.(11:37) I was on crutches that week. (11:39) Then from then on, I just couldn't get it back. (11:42) I just fucking fell off.(11:44) And it really affected me still to this day. (11:48) Because it took me years to build that up. (11:51) And it takes a lot less time to get rid of it, unfortunately, in fitness, especially as you age.(11:56) Okay. (11:57) So what's my point of all this? (11:59) That's the reason I regret it is because I could have made better choices.(12:04) Now, I couldn't have made better choices with the consciousness I have then. (12:09) If I have the consciousness we have now, hindsight's 2020. (12:12) That's why that saying exists.(12:13) But here's the thing. (12:15) And this is the part that's very metacog. (12:16) It's hard to explain this.(12:19) No, of course you can't take this consciousness, Kevin, and put it in five years ago, Kevin. (12:24) But if you don't have any frustration with how ignorant you were before, you won't. (12:30) What's the point in learning more now?(12:32) That's it. (12:33) I hope this lands. (12:34) The fact that I'm more pissed off than you are about my past mistakes means I'm going to be more vigorous learning more now and making sure that I don't fuck it up again.(12:45) And that's why people say no regrets. (12:49) It's very dumb. (12:50) It's very unintelligent to say no regrets.(12:52) Because what you don't realize is if you felt the regret, that pain would drive you to make sure you never do it again. (12:58) And there's a statistical correlation of anyone who says no regrets, look at their life. (13:05) Usually their life is a mess.(13:06) Because if you regret nothing from the past, you obviously haven't learned from it, right? (13:10) We should regret certain things that were wildly ignorant. (13:14) Because in hindsight, it's very clear, we shouldn't have been putting leeches on our skin, we shouldn't have been all these things that happened.(13:22) Like, in human history, there's a lot of atrocities that happened based on ignorance. (13:27) We used to literally blow smoke up your ass is actually a saying because they used to actually blow smoke up people's asses when they were sick.

Kevin Palmieri

(13:35) Interesting. (13:35) What were they?

Alan Lazaros

(13:36) What were they trying to heal? (13:37) Get rid of this? (13:37) Get rid of the spirits?(13:38) I think so. (13:40) That is one way to do it. (13:41) There was also an ice pick that was stuck into people's eyes to for mental health, that they would try to disconnect the emotional part of the brain from that.(13:50) Dude, we just didn't know. (13:53) Human beings were dumb enough. (13:54) They didn't understand that that was actually really wildly detrimental, just like smoking cigarettes.(13:58) In the beginning, no one knew. (14:02) Hello, hello, hello, NLU listener. (14:04) Thank you, as always, for listening to Next Level University.(14:07) Real quick, I just want to jump in and let you know about the Next Level Dreamliner. (14:11) This is a journal that I use every single day. (14:15) Achieve your dreams 90 days at a time.(14:17) It breaks down your dreams into goals, milestones, and daily habits. (14:23) We hope you enjoy it. (14:24) The link will be in the show notes.(14:27) Once you learn that smoking cigarettes is going to kill you, you should fucking change. (14:32) But if you say, oh, no regrets, you might not. (14:34) Or I'm going to die anyway.

Kevin Palmieri

(14:36) It's like, well, yeah. (14:37) And it doesn't have to be in this way. (14:40) At this speed.(14:42) In 10 years. (14:42) With such suffering. (14:44) And so that's something I couldn't explain last time.(14:46) I'm not going to say I'm right, because maybe I'm just justifying it. (14:51) I don't know. (14:52) I think for me, the thing that motivates me more than anything is the goal.(14:55) There's the goal attached.

Alan Lazaros

(14:58) That's why I always try to take you through the whys. (15:00) Like, okay, why do you want to be lean?

Kevin Palmieri

(15:02) Because it's the best. (15:04) Okay. (15:04) Why?(15:07) Definitely more confident. (15:09) Okay. (15:09) Why does that matter?(15:11) Because confidence is something that I wanted my whole life. (15:16) And I don't think I realized how much fitness and being in shape actually boosted my confidence.

Alan Lazaros

(15:21) Yeah. (15:21) Okay. (15:24) Go deeper.(15:26) So, okay. (15:27) Having fitness and and had boosted your confidence more in hindsight. (15:31) Yeah.

Kevin Palmieri

(15:32) So you care about confidence more than you used to feel like now I'm actually confident outside of just it used to be fitness. (15:41) It was like, oh, I'm jacked. (15:43) I can be confident.(15:43) Now I can. (15:44) I've been confident when I wasn't in super good shape because I've worked so hard. (15:48) So I feel like it's a new level of potential confidence.

Alan Lazaros

(15:50) So this this is the thing, and I'll tie it to the episode two. (15:54) You are no longer going to keep dieting because it's no longer worth it. (15:59) I don't know.(16:00) Calculation your brain's doing. (16:02) Yeah, but I it's it was worth it until now. (16:06) But now you've reached your standard.(16:08) I'm not there yet, though. (16:09) That's the thing is, I have been is increasing. (16:13) It is that you didn't have any other goals and you had nothing else going for you and you didn't have a business and you guess none of that.(16:18) Then, of course, you'd keep dieting.

Kevin Palmieri

(16:20) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(16:20) But the the pain of continuing to diet is greater because it's affecting your other goals.

Kevin Palmieri

(16:27) There's a piece of me that's afraid I'm going to regret it. (16:29) Regret what? (16:31) Stopping.(16:32) There's a piece of me that's like, I don't know, Kev, but you also might regret it if you don't stop. (16:40) Yeah, but I feel like maybe less. (16:42) Like, I push for the next seven days and drop some more pounds for sure.(16:47) I could, of course.

Alan Lazaros

(16:49) But is it worth it? (16:53) That's that's something all of our brains are calculating. (16:55) That was my point.(16:56) Because why are you in better than me? (16:58) The truth is, you don't know how to do it better. (17:01) It matters to you more.(17:03) Yeah. (17:03) Or the price is higher for me because of the other goals I'd in order to do it. (17:10) That's probably both.(17:11) And I think that we play life as if we have infinite time and effort and energy when in reality, if I'm not in great shape right now, it's because I'm reallocating my resources, my time and effort to other things. (17:25) And that's an equation that we all have to kind of figure out based on our goals. (17:30) So I know we got to jump here.(17:30) But for the listener, the viewer, any any goals you have, what are the ones in conflict? (17:36) What are the ones doing this? (17:38) They're butting heads.(17:40) If you have a a goal to have the most magnificent intimate relationship possible and you want to do 50 date nights, 52 date nights this year, 52 weeks a year. (17:53) So within the next 12 months, that's going to affect your bank account. (17:57) And if you have a finance goal that conflicts with that, you're going to have to pick.(18:02) I don't think we've done a good job explaining how wild that is. (18:06) Dude, people always ask me, why don't you go to the wedding? (18:10) You don't understand.(18:11) I can't have both. (18:13) Mathematically and scientifically, you can't do both. (18:16) You can't.(18:16) You can't build a multimillion dollar company and go to the beach. (18:20) That's not a thing. (18:21) It makes it look like it's a thing from people who already built a company from decades before or generational wealth or or or.(18:28) And again, I get frustrated because I feel like we're being lied to all the time. (18:31) Tradeoffs are a thing. (18:33) You're not going to be a doctor, a lawyer, an engineer and a all star athlete.(18:37) That's not a thing like. (18:40) But we are kind of told that it is in a weird way, and then we all squander forever and wonder why. (18:47) Like, dude, there's there's a price to pay for absolutely everything.(18:50) And if you're not willing to pay the price, you kind of can't. (18:55) It doesn't even matter. (18:55) You can't get the goal.(18:56) And I think that maybe the 21st century is really screwed that up. (19:01) I think social media is. (19:02) I feel like we used to know that more.(19:04) I was on last piece. (19:05) I was on with a podcaster. (19:06) He said from one to nine, I was a farmer with my grandfather and we would get up with the sunrise.(19:12) We'd go to bed. (19:13) He said that was the peak. (19:14) I peaked in productivity right then.(19:16) He said, it's been easy. (19:18) I've run businesses. (19:19) Nothing is in comparison to when we were farming.(19:21) We were the hardest working I've ever seen anyone. (19:23) Of course, it's going to be easy for me to work six hours a day now when I used to work from dusk to dawn or dawn to dusk, dawn to dusk. (19:32) Not a farmer.(19:32) I don't know. (19:33) But. (19:34) I really think we've lost it, man, when it comes to this, the goal achievement thing.(19:40) And I want to make this about me. (19:42) I'm realizing through coaching people because we're reverse engineering their futures. (19:45) We're doing this new thing called the next level wealth builder.(19:49) If oh, no one is thinking about future. (19:53) You gave up future millions with that choice, like no one is calculating that when you break down the years, I did this with a client recently, when you break down all the years, you realize, oh, I wasted and squandered so much time and effort when I could have been way more successful and fulfilled and had a higher quality of life and all that kind of stuff. (20:14) And I just I wish we were taught this stuff.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:15) So if I ever sound preachy, I feel like the last thing I'll say before we get out of here and completely off topic, as always, but. (20:23) If you don't know how to make the million, you don't realize that you're sacrificing the millions. (20:28) I know that's the that for me, I never realized it.(20:31) So it didn't even seem like an opportunity. (20:33) Agreed. (20:34) And that's why I want to teach now.(20:36) Yeah, because if once you know it, you'll actually have the pain of not doing. (20:39) Yeah. (20:39) So it's take the consciousness.(20:42) Pass it to you. (20:44) So you're you're eight years ago with a head start on consciousness, at least. (20:49) Right.(20:49) You can't download somebody's consciousness completely, but.

Alan Lazaros

(20:52) Right. (20:52) And and our our decision making is based on our current awareness. (20:57) Right.(20:57) Right. (20:57) And your current awareness is different. (20:59) So you make way different choices.(21:01) I mean, I wish I could introduce you to you eight years ago. (21:03) It would be what the fuck. (21:04) I'd punch him right punch him right in his throat.(21:06) Probably. (21:07) I think you guys would have some laughs and it would be so cool to I wish I could watch you try to convince him because that's my dream. (21:15) My dream is to convince people what they're giving up by not making better choices.(21:21) And I gave up so much by making some terrible choices. (21:25) And I'm not it's not a pedestal. (21:27) It's just.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:28) Do you think that motivates someone more than what they're not getting, like even the framing of what they're giving up versus what they're not getting? (21:40) I know they're the same exact thing, but they're not.

Alan Lazaros

(21:43) Yeah. (21:43) This is a math mind thing. (21:44) Yeah.(21:45) Part of the brain for me. (21:46) That's you just said the exact same thing to me. (21:48) Yeah.(21:48) Yeah. (21:48) I don't know if I could eat what they're not getting and giving up is identical in my mind, but that's a labeling emotional, the emotional reaction. (21:57) That's one of my biggest issues is I don't know how to make it emotional because it's so science.(22:06) It's just ones and zero. (22:07) It's just. (22:07) Yeah.(22:08) It's like, if you were to chat, GPT, that it would tell you how unintelligent your choices were.

Kevin Palmieri

(22:16) That's how I feel, but I don't know how to humanize it or emotionalize it or whatever. (22:21) Just going to put a, put a computer screen right in front of your face. (22:24) And then like, when you say it, it'll just spit it out.(22:26) People will tell you.

Alan Lazaros

(22:27) Okay. (22:27) That is my life's greatest challenge is how to communicate to emotionally driven people.

Kevin Palmieri

(22:33) Well, that's what I'm here for, for the majority of the time, you've gotten way better at that for sure. (22:37) So I don't think you brother, you're very welcome. (22:39) Yeah.(22:40) I think that's just one of those things. (22:41) It's a label labels affect things way more than I think we understand. (22:45) So that's why I asked, well, we'll save that for another episode.(22:47) All right. (22:48) Uh, next time I'm always asking you to explain it. (22:50) I don't know if I can explain it because I never would have resonated with opportunity costs because I didn't feel like there was opportunity.(22:57) So you have to understand out there that in a way, yeah, there might not be that much opportunity really, but if you do it more, the opportunity increases. (23:08) So the cost actually increases too, but you can't, they'll never be as little opportunity as there is now, especially. (23:20) And the, the difference between the level of opportunity now and the level of opportunity in five years is how seriously you take it.

Alan Lazaros

(23:28) Nice.

Kevin Palmieri

(23:29) That something.

Alan Lazaros

(23:30) Yeah. (23:31) Maybe. (23:31) All right.(23:32) It's something different than what I would have said, which is all I can hope. (23:35) Okay. (23:35) Perfect.

Kevin Palmieri

(23:36) It might be extremely wrong and inaccurate, but it's different than what Alan would have said. (23:40) That's, that's good. (23:40) I think it's accurate.

Alan Lazaros

(23:41) All right. (23:41) Cool.

Kevin Palmieri

(23:42) Right. (23:42) All right. (23:43) Next level nation.(23:43) If you're looking for a group of people who talk about weird shit like this on the regular, and it's cool to grow and it's cool to evolve and it's cool to do all of this. (23:51) We have a private Facebook group called next level nation. (23:53) We'd love to have you success through personal development.

Alan Lazaros

(23:56) That is what we are here to help We also are launching on Tuesday. (24:01) So this is launching tomorrow, Friday. (24:03) So on Tuesday, we are launching our next level podcast accelerator.(24:06) If you are a heart-driven podcaster who cares deeply about your listeners and making an impact, and you want to build a brand and a business out of your podcast and do this full time, like we learned how to do through massive pain and failure, let us help you accelerate that process. (24:20) Next level podcast accelerator. (24:22) We can't help you skip steps, but we can definitely help you make less mistakes and do it way better and way quicker than we did, assuming you want to work as hard.(24:31) And it's literally with the promo code NLULISTENER. (24:34) It's less than $25 per session for the 12 week program. (24:38) The link will be in the show notes.(24:39) Everything you need to know is on that landing page.

Kevin Palmieri

(24:41) Boom. (24:41) As always, we love you. (24:42) We appreciate you.(24:43) Grateful for each and every one of you. (24:45) And at NLU, we do not have fans. (24:46) We have family.(24:47) We will talk to you all tomorrow. (24:48) Keep it next level. (24:50) Next level nation.(24:53) Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. (24:56) We love connecting with the next level family.

Alan Lazaros

(24:59) We mean it when we say family. (25:01) If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. (25:05) Everything you need to get ahold of us is in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri

(25:08) Thank you again, and we will talk to you tomorrow.