Does Logical Thinking Lead To MORE Success? (2194)

Can numbers really shape your success? In this episode, Kevin and Alan break down why logical thinking and a math-minded approach may be the missing piece in your growth journey. From Alan’s success ratio of 100-30-10-3-1 to Kevin’s perspective on planting seeds, they reveal why consistent action, probability, and persistence often matter more than raw talent. You’ll hear stories about job hunting, rejection, and why most people underestimate how many attempts it takes to win. This conversation blends real data with mindset shifts to help you stop fearing losses and start treating them as part of the game. Success may not feel good in the moment, but it adds up when you keep going. Press play and find out.

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Show notes:
(2:39) External Vs. Internal success explained
(6:25) Why do many people dislike math
(8:45) Success ratios and job applications
(13:12) Belief, action, and conversion rates
(17:55) Building resilience through failure
(19:45) Planting seeds for long-term wins
(21:27) Group coaching and growth invitation
(23:34) Outro

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Chapters

• 2:39 External Vs. Internal success explained
• 6:25 Why do many people dislike math
• 8:45 Success ratios and job applications
• 13:12 Belief, action, and conversion rates
• 17:55 Building resilience through failure
• 19:45 Planting seeds for long-term wins
• 21:27 Group coaching and growth invitation
• 23:34 Outro

Transcript

Kevin Palmieri

(0:00) We talked about the four modalities of thinking, and I can say with confidence that the more logical I have become, the more math, the more numbers I have become, the more successful I've become.

Alan Lazaros

(0:13) I have a ratio for success. (0:17) Success is a numbers game. (0:18) It's one hundred, thirty, ten, three, one, I will explain in this episode.

Kevin Palmieri

(0:24) Welcome to Next Level University. (0:27) I'm your host, Kevin Palmieri. (0:28) And I'm your co-host, Alan Lazarus.(0:32) At NLU, we believe in a heart-driven, but no-BS approach to holistic self-improvement for dream chasers.

Alan Lazaros

(0:38) Our goal with every episode is to help you level up your life, love, health, and wealth.

Kevin Palmieri

(0:45) We bring you a new episode every single day on topics like confidence, self-belief, self-worth, self-awareness, relationships, boundaries, consistency, habits, and defining your own unique version of success.

Alan Lazaros

(1:00) Self-improvement in your pocket, every day, from anywhere, completely free. (1:07) Welcome to Next Level University.

Kevin Palmieri

(1:12) Next Level Nation today for episode number 2,194, does logical thinking lead to more success? (1:22) So, for episode number 2,193, yesterday's episode, we did an episode called Change the Way You Think and You Change the Way You Live, and we were talking about the modalities of learning, and the modalities of seeing the world, and how you think about the world. (1:37) And I can say with confidence that the more math-brained, and the more logical, and the more numbers I have gotten, the better off I have been.(1:49) Because I feel like I'm in more control of outcomes. (1:55) And one of the things I ask ChatGPT most often is, what's the probability of that? (2:01) So, you might not have heard this, but this was a couple months ago, I had just gotten a new car, it was in the shop, even though it was brand new, I didn't have it for like three weeks, and I literally was thinking, okay, what can I get in exchange?(2:14) And this is a brand new car, it's not a cheap car, I should have my car. (2:17) I'm making payments on a car I can't drive. (2:20) And I literally did the whole thing in ChatGPT, and the question I kept asking was, what are the probabilities of this?(2:25) What are the chances this actually happens? (2:27) And I ended up going with the thing that was most likely, and that's what we ended up doing. (2:31) Cool.(2:32) But that's not something I did in the past. (2:35) That's not something I did at all. (2:36) So, real quick, this is my theory.(2:39) External success, if you're not wired with math and numbers, is math and numbers. (2:47) Internal relationships is vibe and energy. (2:51) That's a big piece of relationships.(2:53) And when you get really good at one thing, it can actually make the other ways of thinking harder. (2:58) So, that's my thesis to start.

Alan Lazaros

(3:00) Yeah. (3:01) I think a good metaphor would be, imagine you're a fighter, and you have to go out into the world, and you have to fight your way to your golden dreams. (3:12) I think that's a good metaphor.(3:14) You can take it too far, obviously, but your right arm is one modality of thinking. (3:19) Your left arm is the other. (3:20) Your right leg is one, and your left leg is the other.(3:23) So, if you don't have, imagine fighting with one arm behind your back. (3:29) That's like not having math. (3:31) And I think that relationship success tends to be more emotional intelligence, which tends to be more connected with conversations, concepts, and words as your modality of thinking.(3:44) And I wish that I could do a study on this. (3:46) I don't know. (3:47) Maybe one day I'll have a research lab and I'll do studies.(3:49) We'll see. (3:50) But there's two things that I've been thinking about since I was young. (3:55) I had a girlfriend when I was 17 and a half, something like that, late high school, early college.(4:04) And she said, I hate math. (4:06) I used to help her with all her math tests and do some of them for her, quite frankly, so we could fuck off. (4:15) I remember one of her teachers marked one of my answers wrong, and she brought it back to me.(4:22) She said, you got this wrong. (4:23) And I said, no, I didn't. (4:25) She's like, what do you mean?(4:26) And yes, that's the pretentious math version. (4:29) And I said, your teacher's wrong. (4:32) And she brought it back to her teacher and she said, well, my boyfriend goes to WPI and he says that you're wrong.(4:38) And she said, yeah, I'm wrong. (4:40) That's my bad. (4:40) She immediately relinquished everything.(4:42) Because apparently if you go to WPI in New England, you're a genius. (4:45) You're not, but that's what people think. (4:48) So what's my point of that story?(4:50) She said, I hate math. (4:51) And I remember I said, listen, I'm not trying to be unkind, but if you hate mathematics, the chances of you being successful decreased dramatically. (5:02) And I used to say this, and now I realize why it doesn't land, but I'll let you transcode.(5:06) If you took all the people who, when they were little kids, they said, I love math. (5:12) I bet you 80% of the world's wealth is in their hands.

Kevin Palmieri

(5:15) Why do you think people don't like math? (5:18) I know this is an uncomfortable topic for you, no, it's good. (5:22) It's important.(5:22) I hated it. (5:24) And I can tell you exactly why I hated it. (5:26) I don't, I did not, I can't understand the equations.(5:29) I don't get it. (5:30) I could never, I remember when we, was it geometry? (5:34) When you're doing, what's the like equations?(5:36) Algebra two is, I think is algebra. (5:38) Algebra two is as far as I made it. (5:40) And I remember we'd be going through equations and it was literally just watching the teacher.(5:44) And I was like, I have, this is a different fucking language. (5:46) What, what is this? (5:49) The number that's in the house?(5:51) Like what is it? (5:52) What the fuck does any of this mean? (5:55) Four X equals three X plus two X find X.(5:59) No, no, I don't. (6:01) I won't. (6:01) I won't.(6:02) Where is it? (6:03) I've lost it and I don't know where it is. (6:05) I think that's why so many people, great, great analogy.(6:08) I did legs today. (6:09) I was the only person doing legs at the gym. (6:11) Why?(6:12) Because doing legs sucks. (6:13) Why do people statistically often have very little small skinny legs? (6:19) Cause it sucks.(6:20) And that's the results they end up not getting. (6:22) And I think that's a piece of it. (6:23) I think math is a good connection to that.

Alan Lazaros

(6:25) Yeah. (6:25) Agreed. (6:26) I don't think it's naturally the way we think you and I are reading a book called making numbers count and it's blowing my mind because I have a really hard time articulating mathematical concepts in simple ways.(6:39) And if you only got to algebra two, most of the way I think you don't. (6:44) For sure. (6:44) And that's really hard to be my business partner and to have nothing I say make sense.(6:49) Less now. (6:50) But yeah. (6:50) Okay.(6:51) So Emilia says that math teacher, I think it's a couple of things. (6:55) I think people who are good at math tend to come off like pretentious assholes. (7:00) I literally just came off like an asshole right there in that story.(7:04) I literally was like, nope, your teacher's wrong. (7:07) Because in math, there's no like perspective. (7:09) You're just fucking wrong.(7:11) Like there's one answer and you're wrong and I'm right. (7:14) And I think that it's very, it's very, uh, cold and calculated. (7:19) We talked about that in the last episode.(7:20) So I think math teachers tend to come off, uh, very pretentious and, and off-putting for emotionally driven people. (7:28) I think it's also just naturally difficult. (7:30) It's not a normal way for a human being to think.(7:33) And some people are naturally good at it and then they get better at it. (7:38) And some people are not. (7:38) And I went to college with some of the most intelligent people on earth, genuinely.(7:45) And, you know, quite frankly, I, yeah, I'll just say this. (7:51) I don't think, I don't know if there's a single person that I went to college with who isn't a multimillionaire like right now. (7:59) I'm not kidding.(7:59) I would be surprised if there's anyone I went to college with who doesn't have a net worth above a million dollars right now. (8:08) Now I don't mean the whole school. (8:10) I mean, my friends, my group of friends are all multimillionaires and they all invest money.(8:16) They all work at tech companies, like 21st century is all tech. (8:21) It's just makes sense. (8:23) So, and they're all engineers and that, you know, some of them have masters and some of them don't, but the whole world needs engineers right now.(8:29) You know, who builds computers, right? (8:31) Engineers. (8:31) So do you think computers matter much, right?(8:34) If you look at, it's not like, it's not like in the early 1900s when whoever built cars was the most wealthy. (8:40) It's the people who are best at tech that are the most wealthy. (8:42) That's, that's just statistically true.(8:45) And so we're talking about external success. (8:46) So I promised in the opening that I would explain 130.10.3.1. And I'm going to use one of my clients, shout out to you. (8:57) I know you're listening.(8:58) She had one statement that she hired me for. (9:01) And I said, give me 12 weeks, give me 12 weeks. (9:04) And I promise, I promise I will get you an aligned job.(9:09) And I really feel very confident in that because it's just a numbers game. (9:12) The chances of me not getting you a job in 12 weeks is wild because this person's amazing. (9:17) Well, she applied to reach jobs.(9:20) She applied to, you know, neutral and then, and then gimme's. (9:24) And what I found recently is that the gimme's actually aren't gimme's because she's so overqualified and she's going into these small teams, kind of freaking them out. (9:32) Like, uh, you know, you should like, you're not going to stay.(9:36) We know you're not going to stay cause you're overqualified for this. (9:39) So that's like an interesting thing. (9:41) Being too good is actually a thing by the way.(9:44) But some people latch on to that. (9:46) Oh, I'm too good for that. (9:47) Well, what if you're not?(9:47) What if you actually suck? (9:48) But anyways, you think you are, you're probably not. (9:52) So she applied to, I actually have the numbers.(9:54) I want to share the actual numbers cause that's what we're doing on this episode. (9:58) And I, I screenshotted it because I wanted people to know. (10:01) People used to say like, Alan, there's just no jobs.(10:03) It's like, I know when I come off like an asshole, but you're wrong. (10:07) Like, of course there's jobs, right? (10:09) You, you, you applied to four fucking jobs and you think there's no jobs.(10:13) So that's not true. (10:14) Let me show you the real numbers of how it actually, what success really takes. (10:18) You know, Ty Cobb, the hall of famer in the baseball has a batting average of 366.(10:25) And what does that mean? (10:26) Can you explain what that means? (10:28) Cause that's like the best batting average in ML, major league baseball history.(10:31) Is that his total career average? (10:34) It says he played from 1905 to 1928 almost entirely with the Detroit target Tigers.

Kevin Palmieri

(10:41) He had 0.366 batting average was 0.366. So it means essentially every out of every 10 up at bats you get, he got a hit 3.6 times, which is world class. (10:55) Like that's anything. (10:56) It's not just a hit though.(10:58) He got on base, right? (10:59) Well, that's a, that's a hit. (11:01) Okay.(11:02) That's a hit. (11:02) He did not get out. (11:03) So single, double, triple home run.

Alan Lazaros

(11:05) Cause I could hit that shit foul ball or I could hit it.

Kevin Palmieri

(11:08) No, no, no.

Alan Lazaros

(11:08) You got to get on base. (11:09) Yeah. (11:09) You got to get on base.(11:10) Okay. (11:10) So you got on base 3.6 times out of every 10 at bats. (11:14) Yes.(11:14) Which is world class. (11:16) Yeah. (11:16) That's the highest in major league baseball history.

Kevin Palmieri

(11:18) I think that's a good metaphor for success. (11:21) I do. (11:21) Yeah.(11:22) But even that is, that's a really hard thing. (11:23) Unless you understand baseball, it's hard to know. (11:25) Cause that doesn't sound that good.(11:27) It's like only one out of three. (11:29) That's not great.

Alan Lazaros

(11:31) It's like, no, no, that was really good in sales. (11:32) That's unbelievable. (11:33) That's in success.(11:34) That's unbelievable in applying to jobs. (11:36) That's unbelievable. (11:36) So this client I'll keep it anonymous.(11:38) She applied to 140 jobs. (11:41) She got 30 responses. (11:43) She got eight interviews and she got one aligned job offer and she got the job.(11:48) She loves it. (11:49) It's great at the tail end. (11:50) I was like, Oh fuck.(11:52) Why? (11:52) Like, why isn't this working? (11:53) Right?(11:54) I did her resume cover that I didn't do it. (11:55) She did a great job. (11:56) I know you're listening.(11:57) I looked it over, okay. (11:59) Made sure it was on point. (12:01) But the point that I'm making though, is you just got to shoot a lot of shots.(12:04) It is a numbers game. (12:06) And if you're not logical and you're emotional and you fear rejection, you're in a lot of trouble.

Kevin Palmieri

(12:10) I had a podcast pre-call with someone today and he was talking about how, you know, this person, hold on, hold on. (12:22) Jordan, shout out to Jordan. (12:25) What's your one thing?(12:25) What's your one thing? (12:26) Podcast. (12:26) Oh yeah.(12:27) Shout out to Jordan. (12:28) And Jordan, we were talking about how, and I don't think he would, he's a podcaster. (12:32) He's, he tells a story.(12:33) He said, when I was young, we were convinced that there was just something about our family where the guys like just had something special. (12:41) Like they had the it factor. (12:42) And he said, I was convinced of that when I was young, we would get good opportunities.

Alan Lazaros

(12:47) Girls like this guy who came to book club.

Kevin Palmieri

(12:49) Yes. (12:50) Nice. (12:50) Yeah.(12:51) Great. (12:51) Great dude. (12:52) And he said, eventually as I got older, I realized it wasn't that it was just, I believe that.(12:57) So I took a lot of chances and I got results based on those chances. (13:01) Then I said, isn't it interesting that if you believe in yourself, let's say you believe in yourself at a level 10 and I believe in myself at a level one, I take one chance. (13:12) You take 10 chances, same conversion rate.(13:17) And you can explain this from the math perspective. (13:19) Let's say it's a 10% conversion rate. (13:22) So out of every 10 shots you, you take, you get one in.(13:27) I only take one shot. (13:29) So it takes me 10 fucking shots to get one in. (13:33) You take one, you take 10 shots because that's who you are and you get one in every time.(13:37) You always feel more successful than I do. (13:39) I feel like a fucking loser and that perpetuates.

Alan Lazaros

(13:43) Yeah. (13:43) And what are you looking at? (13:44) Are you looking at the misses or the W's?(13:46) I'm looking at the misses, which is all, it seems like it's all the time. (13:49) Yeah. (13:50) You gotta be careful.(13:51) You can't just look at the swishes because then you end up delusional.

Kevin Palmieri

(13:56) But I think that's an important piece of logic that people say is, well, every rejection is one closer to yes. (14:02) Dumb and true. (14:05) True for someone who is going to keep shooting no matter what.(14:09) But that's what people leave out. (14:10) And so it's dumb. (14:11) They do leave that out.(14:12) When I used to hear that, it was like, no, every single note for me has been one no closer to the next one. (14:17) Unfortunately, unfortunately.

Alan Lazaros

(14:19) So fuck you coming from the guy who has like tons of clients. (14:27) Now you've taken, I've got so many shots many times.

Kevin Palmieri

(14:31) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(14:31) Oh yeah, for sure. (14:32) You've taken a lot of L's, but that's what it takes. (14:34) Well, dude, how do you get someone to understand that and then practice that?(14:42) Because ultimately it doesn't, there's no way around this. (14:46) You just, it's the same as everything.

Kevin Palmieri

(14:48) You just break it down into the smallest, the smallest possible particle you can and say, okay, don't think about taking 10 shots. (14:59) Just take one shot more than you would. (15:00) And don't expect it to go in.(15:02) It's not about the result. (15:03) It's about the process. (15:04) When I, when I really got into like trying to help people overcome fears, my, you'll know this, this was my thing.(15:12) I do not care about the result. (15:14) I care about fear chasing. (15:16) The fear chasing is the result.(15:18) I don't care if the person says, no, I don't care if they don't answer. (15:22) I don't care if they don't call back. (15:23) It doesn't matter where that's not even why we're doing.(15:25) That's just a bonus. (15:27) I care that we do the behavior because the behavior proves to us that it's not the end of the world and then we'll do it again next time. (15:33) But you mentioned this off air.(15:35) You said people want to feel good about themselves. (15:37) Okay. (15:38) People want to feel good about themselves and and they want to feel good.(15:43) This is the paradox.

Alan Lazaros

(15:45) I know we're going to jump soon, but I'm glad we're here. (15:50) What it takes. (15:51) Do you think that her applying to 140 jobs and only getting 30 responses?(15:57) Most of those responses do the math. (15:59) She only got eight Java eight interviews. (16:02) So that means that 22 of the responses were no thank you or fuck.(16:08) No, I'm joking. (16:09) Obviously no one said fuck no. (16:10) But like, so you take 140 shots, you get 30 responses and 22 of them are rejections.(16:19) Eight of them are the opportunity to meet the team phone interview, then in person interview, then job offer 140 shots taken one aligned job. (16:32) If your goal is to feel good. (16:34) And I used to say this all the time.(16:36) I actually open with a disclaimer. (16:38) Now I have a flashcard. (16:39) I have disclaimers that I say for every book club.(16:42) If you're here to feel better rather than actually get better, you have to leave now. (16:46) If this podcast doesn't make anyone feel better, it can't by definition, because (16:51) if we care about your success, listener or viewer, what it takes to be successful, (16:57) assuming you're not going to lie, steal, cheat or status or perception your way to success, (17:01) which a lot of people are doing, unfortunately, assuming you want real success in the real world (17:06) with integrity, you're going to have to take a lot of L's and L's don't feel good.(17:11) I think that if you take L's in the process toward results, I think you can build self-esteem and resilience. (17:19) And I think that you start to feel good about yourself because you're the type of person who, who can handle taking losses. (17:27) I want to be the type of person who can handle loss after loss after loss.(17:32) And that's why I used to say, no one will out fail me. (17:33) And I know we're going to do an episode about try to fail behind the scenes if you can, and then in public, try to do your best to actually win the Superbowl metaphorically. (17:43) But if you are wired for trying to feel good all the time, you're in a lot of trouble because you're almost guarantee you don't actually feel good on the macro because on the macro, you need to fail forward in order to achieve your goals and dreams.(17:55) So, and here's the thing, it feels, it doesn't feel good to not amount to much that feels terrible. (18:01) So it's always short-term pleasure or short-term self-esteem at the expense of what's possible for you. (18:07) So that person that I'm referring to, shout out to you, she's at an aligned job.(18:12) She's feeling real good. (18:13) She's never been more on point, but, but that process, those 12 weeks were pretty, pretty terrible. (18:18) Like there were tears, you know, what am I doing wrong?(18:22) I'm nothing. (18:23) You're not doing anything wrong. (18:25) I do think you're scaring the shit out of these companies because you know, you're definitely overqualified for what you're applying for.(18:31) But at the end of the day, you're not doing anything wrong. (18:33) You just got to keep cranking.

Kevin Palmieri

(18:34) A good perspective for me is I, now I just think about it as planting, just planting seeds, planting seeds, planting seeds. (18:42) That's it. (18:43) And I think it just helps me.(18:44) We have a potential. (18:45) I don't know. (18:46) I was on a podcast a while ago.(18:48) This person has like a podcast production company. (18:50) It's, it's a small one. (18:51) They, they have five or clients or six clients, whatever it is.(18:54) And they're getting out of the business. (18:56) And they reached out and said, Hey, would you acquire these clients? (19:02) And I said, yeah, absolutely.(19:04) This is what we do. (19:05) And I'd love to, and bada bing, bada boom. (19:07) And I didn't hear from them for like a month.(19:08) It's been like a month. (19:09) So I reached back out today and said, Hey, I just want to check in and, and make sure if you have any questions, I can answer them. (19:14) Whatever.(19:15) That's just a, that's a seed. (19:17) If nothing comes of that, that's okay. (19:18) Yeah.(19:19) Keep planting. (19:19) Just keep watering.

Alan Lazaros

(19:20) Keep watering.

Kevin Palmieri

(19:21) And I, I wish somebody sat me down in the beginning and said, it's not one, some seeds take longer than others. (19:30) So just because you think it's a quote unquote failure, you know how many times I've sent somebody a message and then they become a client like two years later, that happens way more often than most people would think that's one. (19:40) And then again, at the end of the day, all a numbers game is, is you're going to plant a hundred seeds and only a certain amount are going to grow.(19:45) And it's like that night and everything. (19:46) How many are going to grow? (19:48) Out of a hundred.(19:49) I mean, it depends. (19:51) It depends on what kind of seeds you're planting. (19:52) Yeah.(19:53) Five.

Alan Lazaros

(19:54) If you're lucky, the numbers were 130. (19:58) You send a hundred messages, you get 30 responses. (20:01) I said, if you're lucky, you get 10 positive responses.(20:06) You get three opportunities to connect with someone like on a zoom or something. (20:11) And then you get one client, one paying client. (20:14) And again, it's not, that's not the exact numbers.(20:17) If you get really good at sales and influence and leadership, and you actually can do a lot better than that. (20:21) Obviously apple has better numbers than that because they're apple. (20:25) But in the beginning, they didn't last piece.(20:27) I have a six figure coaching practice and that's awesome. (20:32) That's success. (20:33) That a lot, a lot of people, very few people ever get to a point where they have a six figure coaching practice.(20:39) I'd say that's one in a thousand, if not one in 10,000, to be honest, of all the coaches that start out. (20:46) But I had to, and this is my point. (20:49) I've coached over 400 people and I only have 21 clients right now.(20:56) So it's a, it's a, some people come into the mall. (20:59) Some people come into your store. (21:01) Some people pick something up and don't buy it.(21:04) Some people do. (21:04) Some people keep buying. (21:06) It's, it's you honestly, yeah.(21:08) Success blows. (21:10) It does. (21:10) It's like just repeatedly being waterboarded with failure constantly.(21:14) But I think that you just have to learn that and just accept that's an inevitable part of the process. (21:19) And you're not alone. (21:20) It's not like, it's not like that's not the case for everybody, especially in the beginning.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:24) Well, I think that's the logic and that's the math part of it. (21:26) As you can see, Oh, it's actually getting better, even though it feels like it's getting worse. (21:29) Oh, interesting.(21:30) And that, I feel like that helps. (21:32) Right. (21:32) And to your point, most people don't ever understand what the numbers actually are because nobody tells them we have, as of today, one point something million listens.(21:41) I have no idea. (21:42) And we work with a hundred point three, almost a hundred and however many clients think about those fucking numbers. (21:48) 1 million listens leads to a hundred clients that, and all things considered, we're above average on the way we're doing things.(21:57) A hundred and whatever clients. (22:00) Yeah. (22:00) But also 1.3 million. (22:01) I just, I just made it a million for easy numbers. (22:04) All right, cool. (22:05) All right.(22:05) If you're looking for help with numbers and you understand after listening to this episode, that numbers probably will equal more success. (22:12) I'm willing to bet that I know it's a blanket statement, but I am willing to bet that Alan is going to help you reverse engineer all this stuff behind the scenes. (22:18) He'll help you figure out what to measure, what to do most important skill, most support habits, all of that stuff.(22:23) So I'll have the link in the show notes. (22:24) What's the best way people just reach out. (22:26) What's the best way to get Instagram DM.

Alan Lazaros

(22:28) Okay. (22:29) Instagram DM. (22:30) I check them every single day.(22:31) Please reach out. (22:32) Also 20 days out, 54 minutes and 38 seconds, Tuesday, October 7th, 2025. (22:38) Are you ready to take your podcast and your life to the next level?(22:42) No, seriously. (22:44) This is our 20th group. (22:46) We have done this for 20 quarters in a row.(22:50) 20 divided by four is five, five years, baby. (22:55) This is five years. (22:56) This is our five year anniversary of next level group coaching.(23:00) We have never presented the same thing twice. (23:03) We improve every single session. (23:05) It's a 12 week program.(23:06) It comes to less than $25 per session. (23:09) Click the link in the show notes, next level universe.com. (23:12) All the information is there.(23:14) You get three coaches, 12 weeks, you and nine other podcasters building a personal brand and a podcast and a business level up yourself, level up your podcast, level up your business, promo code NLU listener, all one word. (23:26) Please book now. (23:28) We will fill this 19 groups in a row.(23:30) We're not stopping at 20, so get your spot now.

Kevin Palmieri

(23:34) As always, we love you. (23:35) We appreciate you. (23:36) Grateful for each and every one of you.(23:37) If you are as committed as you say you are, if you are as focused as you say you are, if you are living as intentionally as you say you are, or you want to live more intentionally, make sure you tune in tomorrow because we will be here every single day to help you get to the next level. (23:50) Keep reaching for your full potential. (23:53) Next level nation.(23:56) Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. (24:00) We love connecting with the next level family.

Alan Lazaros

(24:03) We mean it when we say family. (24:05) If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. (24:08) Everything you need to get a hold of us is in the show notes.(24:11) Thank you again, and we will talk to you tomorrow.