Success Is A Sliding Scale Forever (2214)

In today’s powerful episode of Next Level University, hosts Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros expose the raw truth about effort, expectations, and the lie most people tell themselves about wanting “more.” They break down why chasing level-10 results with level-5 effort will always leave you frustrated, and how being brutally honest about your goals can change everything. This isn’t about balance, it’s about alignment, ownership, and the courage to live by your own scale. Keep leveling up, press play, and own your scale.

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Show notes:
(2:35) Balancing effort, goals, and outcomes
(4:50) Goal-oriented Vs. Relationship-oriented lives
(8:05) When mismatched priorities break relationships
(13:00) Why honesty matters more than balance
(17:00) The freedom of knowing your scale
(21:00) Delayed gratification and redefining “all in”
(23:48) Outro

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Chapters

• 2:35 Balancing effort, goals, and outcomes
• 4:50 Goal-oriented Vs. Relationship-oriented lives
• 8:05 When mismatched priorities break relationships
• 13:00 Why honesty matters more than balance
• 17:00 The freedom of knowing your scale
• 21:00 Delayed gratification and redefining “all in”
• 23:48 Outro

Transcript

Kevin Palmieri

(0:00) I think one of the reasons people are so anti-hustle culture is because a lot of people convinced themselves they wanted 10 out of 10 results but they didn't want to put in 10 out of 10 effort and they got pissed off about that.

Alan Lazaros

(0:14) Wanting 10 out of 10 results without wanting level 10 effort, intentionality, strategy, is not gonna work. (0:24) Welcome to Next Level University.

Kevin Palmieri

(0:26) I'm your host Kevin Palmieri and I'm your co-host Alan Lazarus. (0:31) At NLU we believe in a heart-driven but no BS approach to holistic self-improvement for dream chasers.

Alan Lazaros

(0:38) Our goal with every episode is to help you level up your life, love, health, and wealth.

Kevin Palmieri

(0:44) We bring you a new episode every single day on topics like confidence, self-belief, self-worth, self-awareness, relationships, boundaries, consistency, habits, and defining your own unique version of success.

Alan Lazaros

(1:00) Self-improvement in your pocket, every day, from anywhere, completely free. (1:07) Welcome to Next Level University.

Kevin Palmieri

(1:12) Next EleNation today for episode number 2,214. (1:16) This is a first. (1:17) I don't think I've ever put this in a title.(1:19) Success is a sliding scale forever. (1:21) Sliding scale. (1:22) The old sliding scale.(1:25) All right, cool. (1:27) So we did yesterday's episode. (1:29) We're gonna do a part two.(1:30) Alan's making weird faces at me. (1:32) I also feel like my camera is backwards somehow and I can't tell if it is. (1:36) I feel like my hair is backwards.(1:38) I don't really know what's going on. (1:39) Is it mirroring you? (1:41) I have no idea what's happening to be honest with you.(1:43) You look exactly the same to me. (1:45) I appreciate that. (1:47) Yesterday's episode may be the simplest reason why most people aren't successful and our theory was the syntax is off.(1:55) So you want to be more successful than 80% of people, but you really only want to work more than 20% of people. (2:02) Not gonna work. (2:03) Agreed.(2:04) It's not gonna work. (2:05) So this is my new thesis, okay? (2:10) And this is the reason why I use seasons so often and Alan always hates when I talk about seasons in self-improvement.

Alan Lazaros

(2:16) I don't hate it.

Kevin Palmieri

(2:21) He fucking I think a season can become a new level if you ratchet it up. (2:27) So the reason I wanted to do a sliding scale, okay? (2:31) I fully don't know even what that means honestly, so I probably shouldn't name the episode that.(2:35) But I think of it as today, I think I'm probably 85-15 I would say. (2:43) I think I'm probably 85-15 and my...

Alan Lazaros

(2:46) Despite what your social media golfing looks.

Kevin Palmieri

(2:48) I mean I golf, I don't golf as much as it looks like on social media, but I do get out there. (2:54) Yeah. (2:54) My 85% today is better than my 90% was three years ago for sure.(2:59) Yeah for sure. (3:00) And that I think we're so afraid to go more all in not understanding that eventually you get used to that and you get better with that. (3:11) And then to put a bow on this before I kick it to you, I also understand why people overdo it and then resent it.(3:21) I understand why people overdo it and resent it. (3:25) My goal in today's episode is for you to figure out what your actual percentage is and then for you to be okay with that. (3:33) There's two ways to be okay with that.(3:35) I only want to do 50% effort. (3:37) Cool. (3:38) Congrats.(3:39) And do not expect much more than 50% outcome. (3:43) Cool. (3:43) I want 90% results.(3:46) Okay. (3:47) Congrats. (3:47) And you're most likely going to have to give up more than 90% of people are.(3:51) And there is a downside of each of those. (3:55) And I think we just have to be honest with what downside we're more okay with. (3:57) So this episode was born from the trip I took.

Alan Lazaros

(4:02) For those of you who didn't listen to the episode part one, Emily and I drove south from Massachusetts to South Carolina and back. (4:11) And with Tesla charge, so we did the whole thing in one shot on the way back, which was a huge mistake. (4:17) We did the whole thing in one charge?(4:20) No, no, no, no. (4:21) In one shot, meaning one. (4:23) Oh, you didn't stop.(4:24) Yeah, we didn't stop. (4:25) So it was sleep. (4:26) It was like 19 hours straight.(4:29) It's 14 and a half from where we were in South Carolina to Massachusetts, but Tesla charges take longer. (4:36) So it was basically like 19. (4:38) I think total, it was like 22 hours or something crazy.(4:41) Unfortunately, the car drives itself. (4:43) So that's been really helpful. (4:45) It's unbelievable.(4:46) But anyways, I realized I just tracked this while you were talking. (4:51) I did 22 coaching sessions last week. (4:56) Now at the very beginning of my coaching career, 22 in one week would have been a lot.(5:02) 22 in one week is actually not that much for me now. (5:05) However, when you're on a road trip, 22 sessions now suddenly feels like 500 because, and that's an exaggeration obviously, but it's all contextual. (5:18) So this is one of the things that I didn't get to say in the last episode that I want to make sure I say.(5:23) I teach this in our masterclasses. (5:27) I taught this in our last masterclass. (5:29) I opened up my remarkable, it's just a notepad that I draw on that everyone can see.(5:34) On the left-hand side, I said goal orientation. (5:37) And then I drew that people that are goal oriented, if you're in that category, which is the smaller population set, your relationships are a byproduct of your goals. (5:49) So you and I's relationship is built on our mutual goals.(5:53) If our goals went away, our relationship wouldn't go away, but we wouldn't spend time together much. (5:58) And Kevin basically said years ago, he's like, Alan wouldn't even be friends with me if we weren't business partners. (6:03) And back then I was scared when you said that, but now it's like, I would still be friends with you.(6:08) If I ran into you, I'd be pumped. (6:10) I'd be like, hey, Kevin, what's up? (6:11) But of course, no, I'm not going to drive to New Hampshire for dinner.(6:16) So God, that sounds so bad out loud, but it is what it is. (6:18) Okay. (6:19) Now to someone who has a goal oriented life, that makes perfect sense.(6:23) It's like, yeah, of course you and I's relationship was built on mutual goals for someone with a relationship orientation, or in this case, a lifestyle orientation to go back to the last episode, their goals are a byproduct of their relationships. (6:37) This is a key thing that everyone would benefit from hearing. (6:42) Goal oriented people have their relationships as a byproduct of their goals.(6:48) When goal oriented people get in relation to people who are relationship oriented, the people who are relationship oriented are often offended when you can't spend quality time. (6:59) When in reality, the quality time was a byproduct of goals. (7:04) So I have a friend in the past who I used to consider a friend.(7:06) She worked with us. (7:07) She was in it. (7:09) Can you hear Tucker?

Kevin Palmieri

(7:10) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(7:10) Okay. (7:10) He's hungry. (7:11) You'll feed him dinner.(7:12) You know it. (7:13) So email is on it. (7:16) I can hear her out there.(7:19) So I was in relationship, not intimate relationship, but relationship with this person. (7:25) She was on the team. (7:26) We would hang out and we would watch Harry Potter and we'd get pad tie.(7:31) And she was a friend of mine. (7:32) She was also my executive admin. (7:35) I was focused on executive admin work first because we'd have these weekend jam sessions where we're not weekend, but it would be a Sunday or a Saturday and I'd go to her place and we'd hang out and we would jam.(7:45) We do like six hours of work. (7:47) We'd get the whole week set up. (7:49) She was my EA.(7:50) I was there for the work. (7:52) She was there for the friendship. (7:55) We both were there for both, but the syntax was off.(7:58) I was there 95% for the work and 5% for the friendship. (8:02) She was there 95% for the friendship and 5% for the work. (8:05) So I think that in hindsight, now I understand why my friends would get so angry with me because it's not like when you meet someone, you're like, Hey, by the way, I'm a goal oriented person.(8:17) And our relationship, by the way, is actually built on our mutual goals because all this is unconscious. (8:24) And so from now on, I'm going to have my friends sign a contract that says they cannot be upset with me when I leave.

Kevin Palmieri

(8:30) I'm obviously joking. (8:32) I think people feel used. (8:35) We had somebody we had worked with in the past and we did an event together and they were very frustrated with us.(8:43) They said, okay, next time we'll do another event, but we'll make it much smaller. (8:47) And we're like, no, we don't want to make it smaller. (8:48) We want to make it bigger.(8:49) We want to get to the next level. (8:51) We crushed it. (8:51) We were profitable the first event.

Alan Lazaros

(8:53) Yeah, it went really well. (8:54) It went really well. (8:55) So we got to up the ante here.(8:56) That essentially wrecked that relationship. (8:59) Can you explain that now in hindsight? (9:01) She had a relationship orientation.(9:03) Yeah, this, this person.

Kevin Palmieri

(9:04) So we, we met this person at. (9:08) A mastermind. (9:09) At a mastermind.(9:10) In Boston. (9:10) In Boston. (9:11) We, they, we realize, okay, they're local to us.(9:14) They interviewed us on their TV show a few times and we became friendly with this person through goals, right? (9:22) It was, it was like, oh my goodness, you're trying to spread positivity. (9:25) We're trying to spread positivity.(9:26) We're trying to get better at our craft. (9:28) You're willing to help us get better at our craft. (9:30) It was a, a very symbiotic relationship.(9:34) And then the second it went from. (9:36) We're going to achieve our goals together to them saying, well, I don't really care about those goals anymore for us. (9:41) It was like, well, we still do.(9:43) And if anything, we have less time than we ever have. (9:46) We're not really hanging out with anybody. (9:48) So we're, we got to go do our thing.(9:51) Yeah. (9:52) And so it was mission over relationship. (9:54) It was, it was mission over hanging out and, but that whole relationship was built on, oh, you're into growth.(10:01) Oh, you want to be a podcaster and a speaker. (10:03) Oh, you want to amplify your message. (10:05) Everything was built on that.(10:07) Here's where it gets dangerous. (10:09) People either knowingly or unknowingly lie about what they're doing to keep you around. (10:16) So people say, oh yeah, I want to do that too.(10:20) I, oh yeah, I've always wanted to start a podcast. (10:22) Okay. (10:22) Maybe I'll spend time with you guys and then I'll learn how to do it.(10:24) Then eventually you get to the point where you realize, well, that's, that's just what they say. (10:29) It's not necessarily true, unfortunately. (10:31) Right.(10:31) Unfortunately. (10:31) And people do that in intimate relationships too. (10:34) It's like, well, no, I want exactly what you want or no, I'm, I, I'm never going to catch feelings.(10:38) I know we're just hanging out, having fun. (10:40) And then eventually, you know, things go wrong. (10:42) So sliding scale, I knew you'd slide that in there.(10:49) I have to, because that's the title of the episode. (10:52) No, no laugh on that. (10:54) Oh, that was a pun.(10:55) Yeah. (10:55) I'm sorry. (10:56) Yes.(10:56) Oh God damn. (10:57) I'm fried. (10:58) That was fucking clever.(10:59) I'm so freaking. (11:00) The kid said something clever. (11:02) I went to bed at like midnight, woke up at two.(11:05) I couldn't fall. (11:06) Taryn's away for the week. (11:08) So I'm, I'm flying solo and I cannot sleep when my wife is not home.(11:12) It's brutal. (11:13) Absolutely terrible. (11:14) Absolutely terrible.(11:15) Just out of fear of something wrong? (11:17) No, just, I'm so used to her being here. (11:20) Yeah.(11:20) I'm so used to her being next to me. (11:21) I don't like it. (11:23) We've talked about this before.(11:24) Like the first night it's like, this is awesome. (11:26) This is going to be amazing. (11:27) And then when I go to bed, I'm like, lonely.(11:31) Can you come home? (11:32) Can you come home, babe? (11:33) I'm done.(11:34) It's hilarious.

Alan Lazaros

(11:35) All right. (11:36) Sliding scale.

Kevin Palmieri

(11:37) Okay. (11:37) Sliding scale. (11:40) I work more than I ever have.(11:42) I think I'm better at working than I have ever been. (11:46) And I've just gotten used to it. (11:50) Slash as things.(11:54) Okay. (11:55) You're, let's say you're single right now.

Alan Lazaros

(11:57) This is why you never got mad at me. (12:00) Because you never kid yourself that it was anything more than that. (12:03) I've been saying this for years.

Kevin Palmieri

(12:04) I was the guy who was willing to say this before anybody else was like, we wouldn't be, no, we wouldn't hang out if we didn't have a business together.

Alan Lazaros

(12:12) Why do you unpack that? (12:17) Okay. (12:18) Why would other people not know that?(12:20) Like, okay. (12:20) That person with the events. (12:22) In my head, we want to grow and scale.(12:26) And you wanted, remember she wanted to move it to libraries and do little tiny meetups. (12:30) It's like, we can't come with you on that. (12:33) This whole goals in conflict thing.(12:34) It's like, listen, we have to get, we can't take the same car if you're going to fucking California and I'm going to South Carolina.

Kevin Palmieri

(12:41) I have my own goals too. (12:42) So I understand. (12:44) I had a bodybuilding coach.(12:45) Loved him as a bodybuilding coach. (12:47) I have not talked to him since I stopped bodybuilding. (12:49) I most likely will never talk to him again.(12:51) The only reason I knew him and I talked to him.

Alan Lazaros

(12:54) You are, you are very unique in that. (12:56) I'm telling you. (12:57) Well, maybe, maybe I am.

Kevin Palmieri

(12:59) I don't, I, because I think that's humility. (13:05) That's me being humble. (13:06) You know, I do.(13:08) And again, I'm, I'm joking about that because you can't actually be humble and say you're by the way, for those of you not on YouTube have made the like funny.

Alan Lazaros

(13:15) Yes.

Kevin Palmieri

(13:16) I'm honestly, I think that is what it is. (13:19) I don't. (13:20) I think it's not humility.(13:21) I think it's, you're honest with yourself about it. (13:23) I don't want to live under delusion of like, Oh yeah, no. (13:26) I, Ellen and I like, no, I mean, we'd still catch up.(13:29) You know, if, if, if I was like, Hey man, I don't want to do this anymore. (13:32) Like we'd still get, we'd get lunch and I'd be like, how's NLU going? (13:35) You know, how's everybody that's not going to happen.(13:38) That's never going to happen. (13:41) How's the podcast been, man? (13:43) You know, is it like people talking about me?(13:45) They miss me. (13:45) Like my name come up a lot, you know, people kind of like, they miss it. (13:49) They kind of miss the way it used to be deepest fear, right?

Alan Lazaros

(13:53) Brother. (13:54) Yeah. (13:56) In high school, I had a bunch of friends who loved Halo, the video game Halo.(14:00) It's so long ago. (14:01) I have to like preface that back then you didn't have to. (14:03) It's like one of the most famous video games in history, Halo and Halo two.(14:07) I wasn't, I wasn't not friends with them. (14:09) Oh, I just happened to know everyone and be close friends with everyone who loves Halo. (14:14) Like we, we would have land parties and we would all get our X-Boxes together and we'd all, we'd have, I think it's very, it's very mature.(14:24) Well, it sounds cold and calculated to, to do that.

Kevin Palmieri

(14:27) I think is what, yeah, it does.

Alan Lazaros

(14:29) It does sound that way, but it's not that way when you go underneath it. (14:33) My best friend growing up, we were best friends because he moved in across the street. (14:37) Yeah.(14:38) He was like three houses down. (14:40) We weren't destined to be best friends. (14:43) We happened to have common interests and common goals.(14:48) And we grew apart after our goals. (14:50) He, he didn't get into the school that we tried to get into. (14:52) We're both going to go to WPI or college and we were going to be roommates and he got, he went to UMS Amherst.(14:57) He didn't get into WPI and I did. (14:59) And we did, we, we still reconnected every now and then, but it was never the same.

Kevin Palmieri

(15:04) I don't know if it can be, you know what I was thinking last night? (15:06) I dude, I don't know. (15:08) Weird thought.(15:09) If you're a professional skydiver, I'm willing to bet most of your friends are also probably professional skydivers because if they're not, what the fuck do you talk about with the people in your life? (15:24) And what do you do? (15:26) Like that's your passion.(15:27) You want to be the best skydiver humanly possible. (15:29) Of course you have to surround yourself with other skydivers. (15:32) I don't know what, what you're talking about when you say like my altimeter was off today.(15:37) It's like, all right, what does that mean? (15:39) Is that good? (15:39) Is that bad?(15:41) What is, what does any of that mean? (15:43) Goals often dictate what you have to value and what you have to prioritize and what you care about and what you don't. (15:50) And I think that's really the thought process behind this.(15:53) If you're a podcaster, I am more, I am more likely to spend time with you than I am almost anybody else. (16:00) Yes. (16:01) Why?(16:02) Because my goal is to help podcasters and it helps me learn and it is a potential business opportunity. (16:08) It checks off so many boxes, so many boxes where I know people that, it's Aaron and I have had this conversation. (16:16) It's like, yeah, I met somebody cool at the gym and I said, I could definitely be friends with this person.(16:21) Like we get along really well, but it doesn't, I don't need another friend. (16:26) I don't, that's, I'm not looking for that.

Alan Lazaros

(16:27) What's that like for her? (16:28) Cause, cause I had a partner in the past and she was like, you have so many friends. (16:33) This is back way back before I lost them all.(16:40) She's like, I just don't feel like I have a lot of friends. (16:43) I, and I'm not putting this on Taryn necessarily, but I remember thinking, well, we grew up together. (16:52) She's like, yeah, but I grew up with people and we didn't stay friends.(16:54) Honestly, in hindsight, the answer is I basically only put out, pull out the part of me that is, there's an authentic part of me that will talk video games for days. (17:06) There's an authentic part of me that would talk golf. (17:08) There's an authentic part of me that would talk movies, dude.(17:11) I'm so, and again, this comes off so fucking arrogant. (17:15) The truth is I'm very multifaceted. (17:17) I can talk intelligently about movies, golf, sports, peak performance.(17:21) I can, so you become this. (17:24) I remember in college, I was friends with the jocks and the nerds and I was in an intramural. (17:29) I was, I was the 12 fraternities, five sororities.(17:32) I was in all of like, I went to parties. (17:35) I was very multifaceted. (17:37) And there's a, there's a book called multiple intelligences.(17:41) MI theory is what it's called by Howard Gardner. (17:44) And my therapist, Carol, she said, you've got to read this book. (17:47) Cause basically what she said is that you have all of them.(17:52) And when I read them and you can, anyone can look this up. (17:55) MI theory by Howard Gardner. (17:57) There's, it's a whole thing.(17:58) Basically his thesis was IQ isn't enough. (18:01) There's people who are athletes. (18:03) There's people who are great communicators and connectors and all that stuff.(18:06) So if you're multifaceted, you basically fit in everywhere and you don't fit in anywhere in a way. (18:13) I feel like I don't fully fit in anywhere, but I can fit in anywhere. (18:16) I can party.

Kevin Palmieri

(18:17) I'm not gonna, because I took that too far. (18:20) Well, I think that's the thing is like, here's this, here's the simplest thing. (18:24) You want to be more successful than I do.(18:27) Therefore your scope.

Alan Lazaros

(18:31) Yeah.

Kevin Palmieri

(18:32) What I have to say no to. (18:33) Yeah. (18:33) What you allow yourself to do is just much like you can't go golfing.

Alan Lazaros

(18:38) Yeah. (18:39) You can away from, unless we're going to have a golf podcast.

Kevin Palmieri

(18:43) I would be so fucked. (18:45) Like anytime I've done that, I come to you. (18:46) I'm like, dude, I'm fucking miserable.

Alan Lazaros

(18:48) Yeah.

Kevin Palmieri

(18:49) Like I'm so unfulfilled. (18:50) I don't have anything to look forward to. (18:52) I just feel like it's groundhog day every fucking day.(18:55) Like, what do you look forward to? (18:57) Like being the best in 50 years.

Alan Lazaros

(19:00) Fuck. (19:01) Do you travel for me? (19:03) We went to the Biltmore, we were on the boats in the ocean.(19:06) Like it was, I really had the moment of everyone would love this.

Kevin Palmieri

(19:10) I'm so excited to, I'm going to Toronto. (19:13) I might be, I'm going to Florida for a client. (19:14) I'm so excited.(19:15) I love it.

Alan Lazaros

(19:15) That's not what fulfills me. (19:17) I'm now don't get me wrong. (19:19) We had a core memory at the Biltmore, Biltmore gardens email.(19:22) I just posted about it. (19:24) She seeing her, I've never seen her happier in my life. (19:28) It was fucking awesome, dude.(19:30) It was awesome. (19:31) But dude, that ain't it for me. (19:33) I'm not just going to do that all the time.(19:35) You know, for me getting better at things, mastering things, building this company, building this community, being in fitness. (19:45) I just, I'm so mastery driven, dude. (19:48) We used to talk about mastery and all that.(19:51) For me, it's goals and mastery first, relationships and lifestyle second. (19:57) For the majority of people, it is relationships and lifestyle first and goals and mastery second. (20:03) We're all wired differently.(20:04) Now here's the key and I got to go. (20:07) We got to go. (20:08) Speaking of mastery, I got to go coach.(20:10) But if you are relationships and lifestyle first, get around someone who's mastery and goals first. (20:15) You're going to crush it as long as you stay humble and actually listen. (20:19) Most of the lifestyle people want is actually a byproduct of people who don't even care about it.(20:25) I have someone who is wealthy as hell in the Bahamas anytime he wants, has his own place, private jets. (20:31) He doesn't give a shit. (20:33) If that's your goal, he never would have afforded it because what it takes to build wealth is the complete polar opposite of spending wealth.(20:45) You have to invest wealth to make wealth. (20:49) So if your goal is to have a great lifestyle, you almost by default won't have a great lifestyle without generational wealth. (20:56) The process to build lifestyle is opposite.(21:01) It's goal oriented. (21:03) For the listeners, if you are lifestyle driven, you got to think one step like Kev is you got to find goal orientation and mastery because lifestyle and relationships that are amazing are actually a byproduct of that. (21:16) My goals saved my goddamn life, man.(21:19) My goals forced me to get out of some really terrible relationships.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:23) It's called delayed gratification for a reason because you're delaying the gratification that you're working towards. (21:28) And that's why it's so hard because look, if I could be a golf influencer and just golf every day, that'd be fucking awesome. (21:35) Now that's never going to happen.

Alan Lazaros

(21:36) And it could, if you wanted it to.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:38) Well, yeah, but I'm not. (21:39) Yes. (21:40) If I dedicated every day to getting really good at it.

Alan Lazaros

(21:42) Yes.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:42) And then it would take the fun out of it. (21:44) Probably for you. (21:44) I don't know.(21:45) It probably would. (21:46) It probably would. (21:47) But that's my takeaway is you have to find what's right.(21:50) I'm not saying you finding the right split on this sliding scale makes it easier. (21:57) I'm not saying you're still gonna have to sacrifice something. (22:00) It's just a matter of you understanding the upsides and the downsides.(22:04) I think Alan is the type that gets pulled out of bed in the morning and goes after the mission. (22:08) I'm not that way. (22:09) And I've just been very honest.(22:10) It sounds really cool on podcasts to say that. (22:12) Fuck that. (22:13) I wake up and I roll out of bed and it's like, all right, let me see what I can do today.(22:17) I'm not wired the same as Alan. (22:18) And it is doing everybody, including myself and Alan, a disservice. (22:22) If I try to convince myself, I am, it's not, yeah, that's not what's best.(22:26) All right, cool. (22:27) Appreciate your honesty, man. (22:28) I appreciate your code.(22:29) I appreciate you giving me the psychological safety to be me. (22:32) I appreciate that more than you know, more than you know, man, it's not easy. (22:36) And we would get dinner like once in a while, right?(22:39) Like I like check in, kind of see how things are going without me.

Alan Lazaros

(22:43) I would comment back. (22:44) I'm kidding. (22:45) I literally, it's getting too much.(22:47) You're freaking me out with that because people are going to take that wrong.

Kevin Palmieri

(22:49) No, we're joking. (22:50) We're joking, brother. (22:52) I would always love.

Alan Lazaros

(22:53) We would not see each other often.

Kevin Palmieri

(22:54) We definitely wouldn't. (22:54) And we should honestly, there's, there's a bigger fish to fry than see how, seeing how the world doesn't revolve around Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazarus. (23:01) It should though.

Alan Lazaros

(23:02) Yeah, it should. (23:04) Remember what you said? (23:05) You compliment me all the time.(23:07) I'm just getting sick of urine at this point. (23:08) I mean, how amazing I am. (23:10) That was a hilarious joke.(23:11) Yeah. (23:11) How amazing you are. (23:12) You're just wasting my time at this point.

Kevin Palmieri

(23:13) I'm just so sick of the compliments. (23:15) All right. (23:15) Thank you all for listening to this.(23:17) We appreciate it so very much. (23:18) If you're looking for more like-minded people, we talked a lot about community in this episode. (23:23) We'll have a link below for Next Level Nation, a group of like-minded people who want to get to the next level.(23:27) Book club every Saturday, 1230 Eastern time. (23:30) If you want to read more books, Alan is literally there. (23:33) One of the most consistent people on the planet.(23:35) Every single Saturday, rain show, rain, snow, sleep, shine, whatever the freak it is, he will be there. (23:41) We'll have the link in the show notes for that.

Alan Lazaros

(23:42) If you want to get dinner.

Kevin Palmieri

(23:45) We'll have the link for the next level dinner party in the notes as well. (23:49) All right. (23:49) As always, we love you.(23:50) We appreciate you. (23:51) Grateful for each and every one of you. (23:52) If you are as dedicated as you say you are to getting to the next level, tune in tomorrow because we will be here to help you get there.(23:58) Keep reaching for your full potential. (23:59) Next Level Nation. (24:01) Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University.(24:05) We love connecting with the Next Level family.

Alan Lazaros

(24:08) We mean it when we say family. (24:10) If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. (24:13) Everything you need to get a hold of us is in the show notes.(24:17) Thank you again. (24:18) And we will talk to you tomorrow.