The 3 Buckets Of Results (2255)

Most people chase quick wins and call it success. But what if the real breakthroughs come from the work that doesn’t pay off right away? In this episode, Kevin and Alan reveal the truth about direct vs. indirect results and why the biggest gains often come from the habits, relationships, and decisions no one sees. You’ll learn how to think like a high-performance leader, rewire your approach to consistency, and finally understand why your effort isn’t “working” yet. This episode isn’t about motivation. It’s about mastery. And it will force you to rethink how you measure progress, effort, and success itself.

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Show notes:
(3:42) Systems thinking
(5:46) The three buckets
(8:29) The hidden cost of wasted effort
(11:04) Connecting dots forward through awareness
(16:01) How identity and growth change outcomes
(19:39) Categorizing inputs to achieve any goal
(22:48) Nothing is truly irrelevant, only misunderstood
(24:32) Outro

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Chapters

• 3:42 Systems thinking
• 5:46 The three buckets
• 8:29 The hidden cost of wasted effort
• 11:04 Connecting dots forward through awareness
• 16:01 How identity and growth change outcomes
• 19:39 Categorizing inputs to achieve any goal
• 22:48 Nothing is truly irrelevant, only misunderstood
• 24:32 Outro

Transcript

Kevin Palmieri

(0:00) This is not just a problem that podcasters and business owners deal with. (0:04) I think this is a problem that all humans deal with to some capacity. (0:08) I've heard this so many times, I'm not going to do that because I will not get direct results because of that.(0:14) And we're going to talk about the difference between direct and indirect and all the happy jazz today.

Alan Lazaros

(0:18) You've all heard me say many times that success is a byproduct of X or Y or Z. (0:25) Today we're going to talk about why that is and how to leverage it.

Kevin Palmieri

(0:29) Welcome to Next Level University. (0:32) I'm your host, Kevin Palmieri. (0:33) And I'm your co-host, Alan Lazarus.(0:37) At NLU, we believe in a heart-driven but no BS approach to holistic self-improvement for dream chasers.

Alan Lazaros

(0:43) Our goal with every episode is to help you level up your life, love, health, and wealth.

Kevin Palmieri

(0:50) We bring you a new episode every single day on topics like confidence, self-belief, self-worth, self-awareness, relationships, boundaries, consistency, habits, and defining your own unique version of success.

Alan Lazaros

(1:05) Self-improvement, in your pocket, every day, from anywhere, completely free.

Kevin Palmieri

(1:12) Welcome to Next Level University. (1:18) Next Level Nation, today for episode number, I believe this is the right number, please hold, 2,255. (1:27) I think that makes sense.(1:30) 2,255, that's today's episode. (1:32) The three buckets of results. (1:33) Okay.(1:36) The conversation happens all the time. (1:37) People say, what do you do for work? (1:39) And I love, podcaster.(1:42) What do you mean? (1:43) What do you mean you're a podcaster? (1:45) And then I go through, yeah, this is our podcast.(1:47) We have this amount of episodes and all this stuff. (1:49) And the first question is always, how do you make money? (1:52) You make money with a podcast?(1:54) And I'll say, yes, but not the way you think. (1:57) That's usually the way I say it. (1:58) Yes, but not the way you think.(1:59) Great hook. (2:00) Because for most people, they assume you have a podcast, the way you make money is directly, quote unquote, from the podcast. (2:07) So based on the amount of listens you get, there's amount of dollars earned.(2:11) And I always say, no, no, that's not how we do it. (2:13) And that's not how I suggest most people do it, because most of the opportunity is going to come from the podcast, but it's not a result directly of the podcast. (2:24) Everything is indirect or everything is direct.(2:26) You have to decide. (2:27) So that's what I tell people all the time. (2:29) Either you decide upfront that everything is indirect and it is a result of, by a few walls, or you decide that it is direct, it is directly due to it.(2:41) But I think a lot of people don't understand when I do A, eventually A leads to Z, but not immediately and not directly. (2:51) It just takes time. (2:53) Why do you use Z instead of B?(2:56) Because B is not the second, because B is not the end game. (3:02) B is not money.

Alan Lazaros

(3:04) Yeah, but Z is too many letters away.

Kevin Palmieri

(3:07) Yeah, but it feels like that sometimes. (3:10) So A, you start a podcast. (3:13) Z is making money.(3:14) Well, B is you get to know your audience. (3:17) And then C is you, I don't know, get a little bit of credibility and people are like, yeah, we would love for you to speak for free. (3:24) It's like, oh, okay, I'll do that.(3:27) And then D is coaching for free. (3:30) And then eventually you get to Z. (3:34) Z, that's depressing.(3:35) That sounds terrible. (3:36) It is terrible. (3:38) I mean, it's accurate.(3:40) Okay. (3:40) You don't think so? (3:43) It's awesome.(3:44) Yeah, but do you think it's accurate? (3:45) No, I think Z is too far. (3:47) You think so?(3:47) Too far away. (3:48) Where would you go? (3:49) What letter?(3:50) And I'm serious. (3:51) I'm not kidding. (3:52) Probably like E or F.(3:54) People have a bad association with F though.

Alan Lazaros

(3:56) That's not enough jumps. (3:59) It depends how you're thinking, sir. (4:01) If you're thinking, are you thinking in this time perspective or are you thinking long-term?

Kevin Palmieri

(4:09) I'm thinking the reason people get into the thing they get into. (4:15) Well, I wanted to make this about success in general. (4:19) Fair.

Alan Lazaros

(4:20) Not starting a business necessarily. (4:23) I think in business, it's probably A and Z. (4:25) I think in life, it doesn't have to be.

Kevin Palmieri

(4:27) Well, for me, it's a principle. (4:30) So for me, it's a principle.

Alan Lazaros

(4:33) And for me, it's not.

Kevin Palmieri

(4:38) It's going to be a weird episode today, folks. (4:40) This is good. (4:40) Yeah, it is good.

Alan Lazaros

(4:41) It is good. (4:41) All right. (4:42) So I have this success loop.(4:45) I call it systems thinking. (4:46) We teach it in Next Level Live and group coaching. (4:49) Although I don't think we teach in group coaching anymore, although we should.(4:53) It's a rectangle, very simply. (4:55) In the upper left is inputs. (4:57) In the upper right of the rectangle is outputs, which is results.(5:01) And then it's measure and adjust. (5:02) So the bottom right is measure. (5:03) The bottom left is adjust.(5:06) And then there's an arrow going around the rectangle. (5:09) And so I always say you need to fall in love with cause and effect. (5:12) And as an engineer, everything is cause and effect for me.(5:15) So when I'm with clients and they tell me they want a certain goal, a certain output, we reverse engineer the inputs necessary to achieve that output. (5:27) And there's three buckets of inputs that you can do. (5:30) You can do directly profitable, indirectly profitable, and then irrelevant.(5:35) And for the context of this episode, because this isn't just business owners, I want to translate it to directly relevant, indirectly relevant, and then irrelevant. (5:48) So I always make the joke of, if I want to start a company, let's say I want to start a million dollar company. (5:55) I think it's irrelevant to go to the beach unless your company is selling bathing suits, right?(6:03) And so I always make that joke of people come to me and they want to be successful. (6:08) And then I see them go to the beach and it's like, well, that has nothing to do with getting your goal. (6:13) I had a client way back in my fitness coaching days.(6:16) He said, I want to look like Sadiq. (6:18) And Sadiq is a very famous fitness competitor and he's jacked and he's on steroids. (6:24) And this guy literally was like, well, I want to look like Sadiq, but I don't really like weight training.(6:29) And I said, well, then forget it because it's impossible to look like Sadiq without weight training and a boatload of steroids. (6:39) And so I think that this is the conversation we have to have. (6:44) So if you have X goal, you need to figure out what the best uses of your time and effort are.(6:51) So if you want to lose 10 pounds in 10 weeks, for example, just to use an example, because we do that every year, the 10 pound in 10 week challenge. (6:59) Shout out to the next levelers who did that. (7:01) They're coming up soon.(7:02) The what? (7:04) Probably coming up soon. (7:05) No, we just did it, man.(7:07) Did we just do it like two months ago? (7:10) Probably. (7:10) Really?(7:12) Maybe, maybe more than that. (7:13) I mean, it was like summer, like to prep for the summer.

Kevin Palmieri

(7:16) I don't even know what month it is. (7:17) It's almost December. (7:17) I'm freaking out.(7:18) Yeah, it's crazy. (7:19) It's crazy.

Alan Lazaros

(7:21) It's funny. (7:22) Okay. (7:23) So 10 pounds in 10 weeks.(7:26) What's directly relevant would be the amount you ate that day, stepping on the scale and the exercise you did today. (7:36) What's indirectly relevant is sleeping well and hydrating well and making sure that you hit your macronutrients. (7:46) And then what's irrelevant is going to the beach.(7:49) That doesn't help you get in shape. (7:51) So I used to always, when I was a fitness coach, I used to always say, it's so interesting how when Kevin and I used to be in really good shape, and I don't mean that to offend us. (8:00) I think we're still in great shape, all things considered.(8:02) But when we were in the best shape of our lives, we were never at the beach. (8:07) And I found that fascinating how a lot of people would love to be on the beach with a great physique, but the people who have the best physique are rarely on the beach because they're in the gym. (8:17) And all of this comes down to whatever success in life you want, you have to categorize the things that you have to do to get it into directly relevant, indirectly relevant, or irrelevant.(8:29) And the problem is most of the fun stuff in life that's actually enjoyable is wildly irrelevant.

Kevin Palmieri

(8:35) Unfortunately, I was thinking of this. (8:38) Is my marriage a direct, indirect, or irrelevant result of the podcast? (8:46) But you might not naturally connect that.

Alan Lazaros

(8:51) That's why I always used to say, you'd say, well, she didn't sign up for this. (8:54) And I said, well, she did. (8:56) Because she signed up for Kevin Palmieri, and Kevin Palmieri and the podcast are one.(9:01) Well, yeah, but Kevin Palmieri didn't know what he signed up for either. (9:03) Yeah, which is why I say that. (9:08) So that you connect it.(9:11) I think this is one of the most challenging concepts. (9:14) I do. (9:16) You know the quote by Steve Jobs, you can't connect the dots looking forward.(9:20) You can only connect them back. (9:22) That's bullshit. (9:24) You can connect them forward.(9:27) Okay. (9:28) Not always. (9:29) Not always.(9:31) But you actually can connect them forward. (9:34) And you can and you can't. (9:36) So I'm going to hold the duality here.(9:39) If I said, Kev, you need to lose 10 pounds in 10 weeks or else I'm firing you from the company. (9:46) And you're done for life. (9:48) You're out of here, man.(9:49) You're out. (9:50) Okay, you have to do it. (9:51) You're 10 out of 10 certain you could do it.

Kevin Palmieri

(9:53) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(9:54) Okay. (9:55) You can connect the exact dots on how to do that, right? (9:58) 10 pounds in 10 weeks.(10:00) There's not a single dot that you're missing. (10:02) You know exactly how to do it, right? (10:04) Well, you can connect the dots looking forward, actually.(10:08) You just usually don't.

Kevin Palmieri

(10:10) Hold on. (10:12) Hold on. (10:13) That's based on awareness.(10:16) Yes, which is based on connecting dots from the past. (10:18) Yes. (10:19) So you can only connect the dots in the future based on the dots you can connect in the past.(10:23) No, you could read a fucking book and learn how to do it.

Alan Lazaros

(10:26) Read a fucking book for once. (10:27) And by the way, reading a book is actually from the past. (10:29) So technically you're right and wrong.(10:31) But well, first of all, I didn't say it. (10:33) It was Steven that said this. (10:34) So you're talking about Steven.(10:35) I like the quote. (10:36) I think it's powerful because trusting that the dots will connect will give you the courage to follow your heart and your intuition, even when it leads you off the well-worn path. (10:43) I do love the quote.(10:44) I love the speech. (10:45) I listened to that speech in economics class. (10:47) I literally got up from the back of the class.(10:49) I was like, I'm done. (10:50) And I went and started a company. (10:52) Somebody went out of business a year and a half later, but still.(10:56) Is that Campus Libre? (10:57) You know it.

Kevin Palmieri

(10:58) CampusLibre.com, baby. (10:59) Don't know what it is, but I like it. (11:01) A campus-specific Craigslist for textbooks.(11:04) Look, I do think this is one of the hardest concepts to understand because so many of the benefits of the thing you start are not the benefits you expected and they are invisible. (11:14) Until later. (11:16) And that's like a really...(11:18) What are you looking at? (11:21) Oh, Jesus.

Alan Lazaros

(11:24) We won the Strage Business Innovation Award for Campus Libre. (11:29) And I just had to throw that in there because I just had a blast from the past. (11:32) We presented our concept to a group of judges and they were all like in their 60s, 70s, and 80s.(11:40) And I remember trying to explain how it's the internet. (11:45) Yeah, it was brutal in hindsight. (11:46) I can't even...(11:48) In hindsight, it's like, you guys don't know what the fuck we're doing. (11:52) No? (11:52) Dude, how obvious is that now?(11:54) I didn't realize how little older people knew about the interwebs.

Kevin Palmieri

(11:58) The internet's wild. (11:59) We went to Taryn's mom's house yesterday for dinner and she has a Kindle. (12:06) And I was like, while this thing at one point was a miracle, this thing is a piece of shit.(12:13) This is a miracle. (12:14) You can download books from the sky into this thing and it's glitchy and it takes so long and it's terrible. (12:21) And it was very interesting for me because I've never had one.(12:24) I've never had a Kindle before. (12:25) I sent you something today. (12:26) I haven't seen it yet.

Alan Lazaros

(12:28) I send Kev tech stuff. (12:32) This is kids in 1995 talking about the future of the internet.

Kevin Palmieri

(12:35) Oh boy.

Alan Lazaros

(12:36) Yeah, it's exciting.

Kevin Palmieri

(12:37) I think one of the reasons this is so hard to grasp is because oftentimes our success is not the specific success we wanted and we don't appreciate it. (12:48) And then I think it requires, because again, this is maybe, I know it's obvious to you, this is not as obvious to me. (12:56) Yes, I know my marriage is an indirect result of the podcast, but it would be really easy not to think about that.

Alan Lazaros

(13:04) Yeah, let's connect it. (13:06) So Kev started in 2017, March of 2017, the Hyperconscious Podcast. (13:10) Change the way you think.(13:12) Change the way you act. (13:12) Change the way you live. (13:13) Already knew Taron at that point.(13:15) Yep. (13:15) Already had dated and fucked that up. (13:17) So that's, we had a history.(13:19) So you and Taron dated and then we were in the car driving to Chipotle after the gym and you said, does it sound like I closed the door on that too quickly?

Kevin Palmieri

(13:26) Yep. (13:26) Does he think I fucked that up? (13:27) He said, fuck it.

Alan Lazaros

(13:28) I remember vividly in your Subaru WRX saying, yeah, it does sound like you fucked that up. (13:32) Yep. (13:33) Yeah.(13:34) Which is kind of hilarious in hindsight. (13:36) Fast forward, fast forward, fast forward. (13:38) You start the Hyperconscious Podcast.(13:40) Change the way you think. (13:41) Change the way you act. (13:41) Change the way you live.(13:42) And you interview me and you start surrounding yourself with very growth oriented people and you start to change the way you think and change the way you act.

Kevin Palmieri

(13:51) I'd say growth oriented people and frauds. (13:54) A hundred percent. (13:54) A little bit of both.(13:55) A little bit of both. (13:56) Say about 50-50. (13:58) I'd say 60-40 frauds.(14:00) I'd say 60-40 frauds. (14:01) I would. (14:02) And 10% frogs.

Alan Lazaros

(14:03) I'm kidding. (14:04) All right. (14:05) So frauds.(14:06) I thought you said frog. (14:08) So I knew you were going to die on that one. (14:12) It is what it is.(14:14) But Kev changed a shitload about himself. (14:16) Like, hey, more than you know. (14:19) And you just started to get your shit together.(14:22) Yeah. (14:22) And then as you did, you grew, you grew, you grew. (14:25) And then you reconnected with Taren.(14:26) So it's very clear to me. (14:30) I always say I probably wouldn't have met Emilia if it wasn't for you. (14:34) The reason why I say that is because you and I helped each other become better men.

Kevin Palmieri

(14:39) And I met Bianca who knew Emilia. (14:43) But I never would have met Bianca.

Alan Lazaros

(14:44) That's not why I said it though.

Kevin Palmieri

(14:45) No, no. (14:46) But in a way, I never would have met Bianca if it wasn't for you. (14:50) Because I wouldn't have been into it.(14:51) It's like the butterfly.

Alan Lazaros

(14:53) Well, this is one of the hardest things about when you hear that quote, well, no one is self-made. (15:02) True. (15:03) Always talk about it.(15:05) Didn't build the keyboard. (15:06) Didn't build the Sony camera. (15:07) Didn't build StreamYard.(15:08) Yes. (15:09) And you always hear people say, well, no one accomplishes anything great on their own. (15:14) True.(15:15) However, and one great player can make a great team. (15:21) Tom Brady is a good example. (15:22) He can set the pace and set the standard.(15:24) Whether you like Tom or not, that's a principle. (15:27) One Michael Jordan can make a great team because he sets the pace and sets the standard. (15:31) So while it's true no one achieves anything great alone, including me, you or I can set the pace and set the standard.(15:39) What's the difference between Apple and Joe Schmo? (15:41) Apple sets a new standard. (15:43) What's the difference between a Kindle and an iPad?(15:47) Apple sets a higher standard and it's also a higher price. (15:50) But the point is, all of this is connected. (15:53) And I think that one of the things that's hard for me as an engineer is, it's my job to connect and see the interconnections between things.(16:01) Okay, so I have a therapist named Carol. (16:03) That has changed my whole life and made me way more successful. (16:07) How the fuck is anyone supposed to connect how me getting a therapist made me more successful?(16:12) I could break it down for everyone. (16:14) It helped me identify my past, my trauma, my deepest fear, my abandonment challenges. (16:20) And then it helped me realize that I'm a coward in certain areas that I need to be seen as not a coward, which then brings more status and perception and more success.(16:29) And I have to stand up to bullies. (16:32) But it's very indirect.

Kevin Palmieri

(16:35) It's a hard sales pitch, imagine.

Alan Lazaros

(16:37) Yeah.

Kevin Palmieri

(16:37) What can you help me? (16:39) I've had so many people say like, what is whatever we're talking about today, how is it going to help me? (16:44) It's like, honestly, it's not going to seem like it does.(16:47) But eventually it could be everything. (16:49) The best I can do. (16:50) It depends.(16:51) It depends on a lot of things.

Alan Lazaros

(16:55) This is a selfish question, but I need... (16:58) I thought eventually it would be obvious. (17:01) What?(17:01) Because that... (17:04) So I work really, really hard behind the scenes to ensure that everyone who works with me is successful. (17:10) You're the catalyst.(17:11) I would say I catalyze a lot of self-belief and goals and dreams and growth and systems. (17:18) Yeah, I'm a catalyst to bigger, better, brighter futures. (17:22) And that's my job.(17:23) That's what I love. (17:24) That's my most meaningful work. (17:25) So it's selfless and selfish.

Kevin Palmieri

(17:26) And I said it, so you can't villainize Alan. (17:28) I said it.

Alan Lazaros

(17:28) Appreciate you. (17:29) It's a win-win-win, I think. (17:33) And I thought that people would recognize more that I was a big part of it.(17:40) Like I coach, and again, I coach several multimillionaires. (17:45) And I don't know why, but it seems like people don't connect like, well, if I want to be more successful, I got to go to Alan.

Kevin Palmieri

(17:55) Yeah, we've talked about this, though. (17:57) Because I think it's very humbling to realize that the success of you is in the hands of somebody else. (18:05) The success of all of us is in the hands of somebody else.(18:07) I know, but that's a level of admittance that... (18:10) I admitted that a lot. (18:11) That's one of the best things ever.(18:12) Just don't fuck this up. (18:14) Just don't fuck it up. (18:15) Everything will be fine.

Alan Lazaros

(18:16) How would you sell that? (18:18) Because I remember I had someone who worked with Emilia, because Emilia is hands down more attributed to my success than any other human on planet Earth. (18:26) And I refer people to her all the time because she will just make you so much more successful in every regard and fulfilled.(18:34) But I had a client in the past that I sent over to her say, I don't know how to explain it. (18:40) It's just like magic fairy dust. (18:41) And I remember thinking, oh no.(18:44) If you can't explain what Emilia does for you, how are you going to sell it? (18:48) You can't sell something you can't explain. (18:50) So I'm still working on...(18:54) Assuming you have work ethic and humility, this is what I've got it boiled down to. (18:57) Assuming you have work ethic and humility, I can connect what directly and indirectly will contribute to your goals. (19:03) And I can help you stay accountable towards that.(19:06) And I just started working again with someone, shout out to you brother, who we worked with six years ago. (19:10) His name's Alex. (19:11) And he came back and it's been fascinating to reconnect with him and to see how different his leadership was to us.(19:21) Because we used to be leaders and mentors to him. (19:23) And it's just really fascinating how different you and I are, Kev, compared to some of the other people that were in his corner and how much that impacted his decision making. (19:32) And so again, at the end of the day, when you set a goal, figure out these are the things that I'm certain directly contribute to it.(19:39) These are the things that might indirectly contribute to it. (19:41) And these are the things that are probably irrelevant. (19:43) As a matter of fact, maybe detrimental to that goal.

Kevin Palmieri

(19:47) I feel like the A bucket, direct is easy. (19:49) The B bucket is the... (19:50) I think the B bucket is the hardest.(19:52) I do. (19:53) Because you... (19:54) It's like hot and cold.

Alan Lazaros

(19:55) Yeah, you know what's hurting you. (19:57) You know what's helping you.

Kevin Palmieri

(19:58) But there's those things like... (20:02) I'm trying to think of one for fitness for me. (20:04) I don't know if I have a good one.(20:05) Okay, you're going to visit your dad at 27? (20:09) For fitness?

Alan Lazaros

(20:10) Yeah.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:11) Because it inspires... (20:11) It's motivational. (20:12) Pisses me off.

Alan Lazaros

(20:14) No, no. (20:15) No, seriously. (20:16) That's the wrong conclusion.(20:17) No, you became a fucking man after that, I think, in some ways, right? (20:22) Are we talking about fitness or me? (20:24) I thought we were talking about...(20:25) You facing that, I think, made you more capable holistically, which then led to more fitness success.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:33) I have a simple one. (20:34) The simplest thing in the world. (20:36) I...(20:36) And again, this could be highly anecdotal. (20:39) I don't know. (20:40) I don't ever, ever, ever, under any circumstances, no matter what the weather is, go to the gym without at least one sweatshirt on.(20:47) Lately, I've been wearing two. (20:49) Every workout in the summer, that is indirectly one of the reasons my mobility and my joints stay warm.

Alan Lazaros

(20:58) But you never know. (20:58) And you're sweating more.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:59) And I'm sweating more.

Alan Lazaros

(21:00) Think about the calories that you add up. (21:03) Take all the sweater days away.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:04) Yeah, yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(21:05) How many extra calories per day or per workout do you think you burn with those sweaters on? (21:10) I don't know because I don't... (21:11) Probably 20 at least extra, if I don't know.(21:14) I don't wear them for the whole thing. (21:15) I always wear them for the warm-up, though. (21:16) Yeah.(21:18) I have a sweatshirt and a shirt and a stringer and... (21:24) I'm fucking with you. (21:24) That's it.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:25) I have a stringer, long-sleeve shirt, sweatshirt, sweatshirt. (21:30) Yeah, it's the best. (21:31) You're basically just stripping the entire workout.(21:33) Yeah, and I won't ever... (21:34) I never don't wear a sweatshirt in the gym, ever. (21:38) Yeah, same.(21:38) Even if it's 110 degrees out. (21:40) I never do. (21:40) It's not even...(21:41) I can't even imagine it. (21:42) I can't even fathom it. (21:43) Let's just do this real quick.

Alan Lazaros

(21:45) We gotta get out of here in a second. (21:47) But this is how... (21:48) You would never correlate Kevin wearing a hoodie to being in better shape.(21:52) But let's just say it's 40 calories per workout. (21:55) Okay. (21:55) Times five workouts a week.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:57) Yep.

Alan Lazaros

(21:57) Times 52 weeks a year. (21:58) You're looking at 10,400 calories per day, per year. (22:03) Divide that by 3,500.(22:04) You lose three pounds a year just for wearing a hoodie. (22:07) Look at me go. (22:08) Three pounds a year just for wearing a hoodie.(22:09) Now that obviously assumes that you're in a deficit. (22:13) Which I'm not. (22:14) Yeah, but that's a good example.(22:16) You know what I'm saying. (22:16) But that does equate to three pounds a year.

Kevin Palmieri

(22:18) 2.9. That's a good example. (22:19) Or whatever.

Alan Lazaros

(22:20) That's a good example. (22:21) Maybe we'll do... (22:21) I don't know if we'll do...(22:22) That's why I love numbers. (22:23) Because if you don't know those numbers, you just assume things are irrelevant. (22:26) Nothing's irrelevant.(22:30) Well, things are irrelevant. (22:31) We said that. (22:32) Hold on though.(22:35) It's a line of... (22:36) It's an arbitrary line in the sand. (22:38) It's not fully irrelevant, but it's less relevant.(22:41) So this podcast episode is the most relevant thing in Kevin and I's success right now. (22:48) But me getting good sleep is irrelevant to this success of this podcast. (22:54) But it's not.(22:55) It's indirectly relevant. (22:56) So there is no... (22:57) You have to put these buckets, but there's no actual irrelevance.(23:01) And that's why I think it's so dangerous to say, Oh, that person doesn't influence me. (23:04) It's like, if they're in your life, they do. (23:06) The question is how much and if it's constructive or destructive.

Kevin Palmieri

(23:09) I would like to do an episode at some point, maybe tomorrow, on the most beneficial habit you have that you've never talked about. (23:15) It can't be fucking habit tracking. (23:17) It can't be sleep.(23:19) Give me something that I've never heard you talk about. (23:22) Okay. (23:22) I don't know if I have any either, but I feel like it could make for a cool episode because it's going to force us to dig.(23:27) So. (23:28) Okay. (23:30) Can't talk about your Fruity Pebbles.(23:32) Don't want to hear it. (23:34) Don't want to hear it. (23:34) That's definitely not the one.(23:36) That's definitely not the one. (23:37) I had to give them out, man. (23:38) Oh, what do you mean?(23:40) Not two days ago, you were singing their praises. (23:42) I know. (23:43) I told you I was going to give them out.(23:44) God, he moves quick. (23:45) I got to. (23:46) I got to keep getting better.(23:47) Yeah. (23:48) What's next to go? (23:49) I hate to put you on the spot.(23:50) What's next to go? (23:52) Fruity Pebbles. (23:53) No, you just...(23:53) They're gone. (23:54) What's next?

Alan Lazaros

(23:55) I don't know yet.

Kevin Palmieri

(23:56) I'll let you know. (23:57) I'll let you know. (23:57) If you want to find out what's next to go after Fruity Pebbles, make sure you join book club this Saturday, 12 30 eastern time.(24:03) We're going to be releasing the information there and there only while we read. (24:07) What is it? (24:09) I'm kidding.

Alan Lazaros

(24:10) Rationality by Steven Pinker. (24:12) It is a deeply challenging book to read. (24:15) Even if you don't read it, just come.(24:17) We're going to talk about success, how to be more rational, effective decision making. (24:22) It's my favorite book of all time. (24:25) It's not easily applicable, but I promise I will connect it to your success.(24:29) It's direct and indirect. (24:30) You'll get both for sure.

Kevin Palmieri

(24:31) Okay. (24:32) As always, we love you. (24:32) We appreciate you.(24:33) Grateful for each and every one of you. (24:34) And if you are as committed as you say you are to getting to the next level, make sure you tune in tomorrow because we will be here every single day to help you get there. (24:42) Keep reaching for your full potential.(24:44) Next level nation. (24:46) Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. (24:49) We love connecting with the Next Level family.

Alan Lazaros

(24:52) We mean it when we say family. (24:54) If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. (24:58) Everything you need to get ahold of us is in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri

(25:01) Thank you again, and we will talk to you tomorrow.