You Don’t Build Grit For No Reason… (2316)

Standards decide who you become. In today’s episode, Kevin and Alan break down why grit is not something you chase or wish into existence, but something that forms when your standards leave you no alternative. This episode cuts through comfort-based personal development and examines why consistency collapses when conditions are imperfect.

The focus is discipline, identity, and long-term performance, not motivation or hype. It challenges how goals are set, how resistance is handled, and why most people never build the durability required to sustain real progress. Listen with intention. Then raise the standard that governs your decisions.

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Show notes:
(3:16) Hard work and forced consistency
(5:08) Why great outcomes require grit
(7:33) Choosing discomfort on purpose
(9:12) How doing hard things changes the brain
(11:56) When goals demand more from you
(16:19) Pride in difficulty Vs. Pride in ease
(25:57) Grit as consistency regardless of circumstances
(27:15) Outro

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Transcript

Kevin Palmieri

(0:00) Unfortunately, I think grit is one of the harder things to build, but you need necessity to build it. (0:07) I don't think you just wake up one day and say, I'm just going to go do hard things for the sake of doing hard things. (0:13) It just doesn't make much logical sense.

Alan Lazaros

(0:14) I don't think we had a healthy debate in book club earlier today about grit. (0:21) And I said, you cannot achieve great things without grit.

Kevin Palmieri

(0:25) Welcome to Next Level University. (0:28) I'm your host, Kevin Palmieri. (0:30) And I'm your co-host, Alan Lazarus.(0:33) At NLU, we believe in a heart-driven, but no BS approach to holistic self-improvement for dream chasers.

Alan Lazaros

(0:40) Our goal with every episode is to help you level up your life, love, health, and wealth.

Kevin Palmieri

(0:46) We bring you a new episode every single day on topics like confidence, self-belief, self-worth, self-awareness, relationships, boundaries, consistency, habits, and defining your own unique version of success.

Alan Lazaros

(1:02) Self-improvement in your pocket every day, from anywhere, completely free. (1:09) Welcome to Next Level University.

Kevin Palmieri

(1:14) Next Level Nation today for episode number 2,316, you don't build grit for no reason. (1:21) It is snowing right now in New Hampshire. (1:24) And that reminds me, Alan and I grew up in the same town.(1:27) Oh yeah. (1:27) And there was a, there was a, this little pond, it was called the town park, is what we called it, the town park. (1:35) And we used to play hockey up there.(1:36) Oh yeah. (1:37) We play, play hockey and it was awesome. (1:39) The, the person who lived on the pond would come out, they would, they would shovel the pond off.(1:44) We would help them shovel, we'd flood it. (1:46) We had lights, we had music, we drink beers and play hockey all night. (1:50) It was amazing.(1:51) Well, one day, for some reason, I was playing goalie and I slipped and my, my skate got stuck and I fell on my ankle and I heard a snap. (2:02) And I was like, I just freaking broke my ankle. (2:06) How unfortunate is this?(2:08) So at this time I was doing the weatherization job that required travel and climbing up ladders and all this stuff. (2:14) So I think we were like in between jobs at that point, luckily. (2:19) So I somehow drove myself home.(2:22) I don't know. (2:22) I've just rolled down the hill and prayed for the best. (2:24) I think it wasn't a far drive.(2:25) It was like a two minute drive. (2:27) And then at some point my boss called and said, Hey, we've got a job coming up. (2:32) You good to go?(2:33) Absolutely. (2:34) What's the time and place? (2:35) Give it to me.(2:36) So I went to CVS and got an ankle bracelet or ankle brace. (2:40) And I think I got like some other stuff and wrapped my ankle. (2:43) And I swear to you, I am not joking.(2:45) This is 100% serious. (2:46) I'm not kidding. (2:47) I went to work in some school, probably in New Jersey.(2:52) I don't remember where it was. (2:52) And I was literally dragging one foot behind me for like a week because I couldn't, I could barely walk. (3:02) I couldn't walk without an ankle brace.(3:04) My boots were really tight. (3:06) So it actually helped. (3:07) But dude, honestly, I think so much of the building grit for me was just out of pure necessity.(3:16) Just when I used to pump gas at the gas station and it was cold as shit or it was pouring, it didn't matter. (3:23) That's what I had to do. (3:24) That was just part of, that was part of the job.(3:28) Even when I did the weatherization thing, dude, I'll never forget most of the stuff we do. (3:31) It was freaking reckless. (3:33) We were working in an attic one day in New Jersey and it was like 110 degrees out.(3:37) It had to be 140 degrees in this at least. (3:42) And I'm wearing a Tyvek, a Tyvek suit because you don't want to get the insulation on you. (3:46) I'm wearing a respirator.(3:49) And I remember, I remember, and this isn't, it's not funny because it's dangerous, but I remember, and you're dragging this hose, this like 200 foot hose that's heavy as shit around spraying insulation. (4:01) And I remember like crawling to the hatch and I was like, I don't know if I'm going to fucking make it. (4:07) It is, something's, I'm lightheaded.(4:10) I am burning up. (4:11) I got to get out of here.

Alan Lazaros

(4:12) And that was just- It starts to close, like- It kind of did.

Kevin Palmieri

(4:15) It kind of did. (4:16) And that was just Thursday. (4:19) That was just like a Thursday.(4:20) And then the next day we went and did it all again. (4:22) And I had, I mean, that's what I had to do. (4:25) That was what needed to get done in order to get the job done.(4:28) And I wanted to be successful. (4:29) And that was my quote unquote path to success. (4:31) So that's what we're talking about.(4:32) My eye is just leaking for some reason right now. (4:34) I don't know why.

Alan Lazaros

(4:35) So for any of our younger listeners, there's a ridiculous film called Zoolander. (4:41) You remember this scene?

Kevin Palmieri

(4:42) I've still never seen it. (4:43) You've never seen it. (4:44) I don't know if I can now.

Alan Lazaros

(4:45) He's like, I think I'm getting the black lung pop. (4:51) You've been down there for one day. (4:53) Talk to us in 30 years.(4:55) It's like a coal mine. (4:56) Now, at the end of the day, the reason we're doing this episode is because Kevin and I want to help all of you be more successful. (5:05) That's the point of this podcast.(5:07) And what is success? (5:08) Success is achieving an outcome that you decided in advance in either health, wealth, or love. (5:15) And in book club, I kind of invited everybody to debate me a little bit on this, where I don't think you can achieve great things without grit.(5:26) There's going to be times when you, I don't know, it's colder than you expected, or you forgot your winter hat, or you forgot your gloves, or you forgot your yoga mat. (5:40) Here's an example. (5:41) Emily and I, we went away and this place, we got snowed in and it was not near any gyms.(5:50) Super late at night. (5:52) The Chateau? (5:53) No, no, that place sucks.(5:55) Yeah, that place sucks. (5:56) It's called the Chateau. (5:58) We call it the Chateau.(6:00) It's like staying at a funeral home, man. (6:01) It's not nice. (6:02) It's not good.(6:03) But anyways, so this was a notice. (6:08) And I said, you got a deck of cards? (6:12) She's like, what?(6:14) I got a deck of cards. (6:16) We could either go out on the ice or go out in the snow, or we can do a workout. (6:20) Pulled out the yoga mats and we picked a circuit.(6:23) We did five things. (6:27) I said, I'm not doing this shit like that anymore. (6:51) This isn't a real workout.(6:58) This isn't a real sweat. (7:01) It was pretty intense. (7:03) And again, it's good cardio.(7:05) It's not good for weight training. (7:06) But I remember thinking to myself, most people would have just not worked out. (7:13) That ain't it for me.(7:16) And the next day I had a conversation with her and I said, I don't care how cold it is out. (7:20) I want to go out there. (7:22) We should be out there.(7:25) I want to go for a run. (7:26) I don't just want to walk. (7:27) I want to go run in the freezing cold.(7:29) We have gotten soft. (7:32) And there's something about this. (7:33) It's called hormesis.(7:35) A little bit of a bad thing is actually a good thing. (7:38) And I told her that. (7:38) I said, your immune system gets better.(7:40) I'm not saying I want to go get sick. (7:42) I'm saying, you know how when you get sick and you skip the gym, but you actually probably would have gotten better faster if you boosted your immune system and actually got your heart rate up? (7:51) There's a line where, yeah, obviously you shouldn't do yoga on broken glass, but you shouldn't not do yoga just because you don't have a soft mat.(8:01) There needs to be some level of pain that you can get through, whether it's physical, mental, emotional, or spiritual. (8:07) And at the end of the day, I had a little argument with someone in book club. (8:12) Shout out to you, Kazia.(8:13) Because in book club, we're reading Tiny Habits by B.J. Fogg. (8:17) And I started the book club. (8:18) I said, listen, I know why he's doing this.(8:21) The book is called Tiny Habits. (8:22) I get it. (8:22) But why the fuck are we flossing one tooth?(8:26) Like, no. (8:27) And again, I'm being playful. (8:29) For those of you who've read the book, he means start with one, then eventually you'll do them all.(8:33) It's, you know, start small and build. (8:34) And he does two pushups after every time he pees. (8:38) I'm just going to come out and say it.(8:39) I think that's fucking stupid. (8:41) I think it's dumb. (8:42) I do.(8:43) I love the book. (8:44) B.J. Fogg's awesome. (8:45) And the book is awesome.(8:46) If you want to start small and build, I'm all for that. (8:49) But doing two pushups every time you pee is not going to get you in shape. (8:53) And so at the end of the day, I think doing hard things by choice, I just looked this up while Kevin was telling his ankle story.(9:03) One of many. (9:06) And I said, what is the part of the brain that gets larger the more you do hard things by choice? (9:12) The short answer is your prefrontal cortex, especially it connects to the anterior cingulate cortex.(9:17) In other words, there's a part of your brain that develops when you force yourself to do hard shit. (9:24) There's a bunch of books on this, do hard things, embrace the suck, all these different things. (9:28) At the end of the day, what it takes to be successful is going to be painful.(9:34) And I think you can spend the rest of your life looking for quick fixes. (9:37) You can spend the rest of your life looking for ways around pain. (9:40) And I'm all for tools like get a good yoga mat, get the right gym shoes.(9:44) But my shoes right now are wildly not great because I only have one pair of shoes and I've been using them pretty intensely for a long time. (9:54) It's probably time for a new tool, but I don't care if I have the wrong hat, I'll go barefoot if I have to. (9:58) I'm not going to not go because I don't have everything perfect.(10:03) You need to use tools, use supplements, set yourself up for success, put your gym clothes out the day before. (10:11) I'm all for it. (10:12) But if you don't, and you forgot to, and you don't have your equipment, get your fucking ass out there and make something of yourself.(10:20) And I do, I believe that that will help everyone because that's where you build self esteem. (10:26) That's when you sail beyond average.

Kevin Palmieri

(10:30) Well, I think it's in the beginning when you're trying to build consistency, you make it really easy. (10:35) You buy design. (10:36) We talked about this before, the two D's, discipline and design.(10:39) Discipline is everything is fucked and I have to find a way to do it anyway. (10:43) Design is I have my gym clothes out, I have my shoes ready, I have this ready, my AirPods are charged, everything's good. (10:48) Bada bing, bada boom.(10:49) I think all grit really is, is consistency regardless of circumstances. (10:54) I think that's what, because that's the problem is the circumstances, when you can control them, awesome. (11:02) But you can't, you can't always, you can't always control them.(11:06) When I've been staying at the hotel lately, the gym sucks. (11:08) It's terrible. (11:10) It's got like some dumbbells and that's it.(11:13) I'm just like, oh, I got to find a way to do something. (11:16) It's not going to be great. (11:17) It's not going to be optimal.(11:19) It's not going to be the best. (11:20) Just like the card deck workout wasn't the best, but maybe that's a good, so we talk a lot about how consistent 80% days are better than spotty 100% days. (11:34) Maybe the understanding is the minimum gets raised over time.(11:40) So maybe in the beginning, the minimum is I have to get some sort of movement in no matter what. (11:45) Eventually it gets to a point where that movement isn't enough to be a challenge. (11:50) So you have to elevate that.(11:51) You have to elevate that. (11:52) My thought for this episode is you, there has to be a bigger reason. (11:56) I think there has to be a bigger reason.(11:58) I don't think you just want to be cold to be cold. (12:01) I don't think you just wake up and say, I want to get grittier for no reason. (12:04) I think there has to be some sort of reason.(12:06) And I think the goal that you've set, you have to look yourself in the mirror and say, ah, you know what? (12:11) I, I don't know if I am gritty enough yet. (12:14) I don't know if I'm whatever the word you want to eat, hardcore enough, whatever.(12:17) I don't, I don't know what the right word is for you, but I think that's an conversation that we have to have. (12:22) And I think it comes after the goal. (12:24) Unfortunately, I just, I don't think it just happens.(12:26) I told you I'm creating my success impact points of 100.

Alan Lazaros

(12:31) Yeah, exactly. (12:33) Do I get any, do I get any, any, can I put it any in there? (12:36) Well, I've definitely got something in there that we've talked about for sure.(12:40) We do an episode a day, so there's some, there's some Kevin in there for sure.

Kevin Palmieri

(12:43) It's got to be something in there.

Alan Lazaros

(12:44) And today on book club, I was thinking a lot about grit obviously, because BJ fog is talking about how 20 pushups is hard and he talks about the action line. (12:56) So he graphs it. (12:57) I'm, I'm not going to go too deep into detail.(12:59) I actually do love, love the graphs in this book, but he basically says the harder the task, the more motivation you need to do it. (13:07) So, and he put 20 pushups as like very hard, which is what I came into book club saying, is anyone else frustrated that he puts 20 pushups is very hard. (13:18) And then we had an honest conversation and there's only a couple of people in book club that could even do 20 pushups, which was a little surprising to me.(13:25) But at the end of the day, it all comes down to what I think people might be deluding themselves. (13:34) Okay. (13:34) So I have one client.(13:35) I know you're listening. (13:36) Does 12 calisthenics a day, 12 minutes, 12 minutes a day. (13:41) Every time we get on the phone, zoom, I say 13.(13:46) He's like, I got to push back. (13:48) I'm just going to stick for 12 for now. (13:51) In my head, it's, we have to up the ante.(13:55) We have to up the ante. (13:56) You can't just do 12 forever. (13:58) Someone in book club said, well, you did a half an hour for years.(14:02) I think it was like a year and a half before. (14:04) And then we went to 40 and then 45. (14:06) And then we went back to 30.(14:08) Then it was 45 again. (14:09) Now it's 60 minutes. (14:10) It's been 60 minutes for a long time now.(14:12) But my point is she's like, well, I always just wondered, why didn't you just make it more efficient in that 30? (14:17) I said, you do not understand the way we're training. (14:21) There wasn't a break when we were doing 30.(14:23) There was not a, not a break between sets. (14:26) I'm talking flip-flop circuits, like crazy hit training. (14:29) It was like bodybuilding plus hit training.(14:31) I said, we maxed out in that 30. (14:35) So we started with 30. (14:36) We maxed out that 30.(14:37) Then we went to 40, maxed out that 40. (14:40) Then we went to 45, maxed out that 45. (14:43) Then we went to 60.(14:44) Well, we went back to 30 for a little while. (14:46) And then we went to 60 and now we're maxing that out from the moment the timer is set to the moment it goes off. (14:53) We're grinding.(14:54) We're going like it's not, we're not fucking around in there. (14:57) We, I haven't talked to anyone in the gym in years. (14:59) I'm not joking.(15:00) Not even Amelia. (15:01) I believe it. (15:02) Headphones are in, hat is down, hood is up.(15:04) It's game time only. (15:06) We do hand signals only. (15:07) Now I get that that's a little intense or whatever, but that's what is required of my goals.(15:15) And I think, and this is what I want to talk to you about. (15:18) Do people tell themselves that like, here's the thing, 12 minutes ain't going to do it if you want a great physique. (15:26) But what if no one knows that?(15:28) This person I'm talking about, the client, you know that. (15:32) And we've talked about it. (15:33) Like you can't stay at 12 and get your physique that you want.(15:36) Especially you're not getting any younger. (15:38) This is not going to get easier. (15:40) Right?(15:41) And when I was doing a half an hour, you called me out for that. (15:43) Like this ain't going to do it. (15:45) Not for your goals.(15:46) Not for my goals. (15:47) Right? (15:47) So do you think people think that they're going to end up successful?(15:53) Because what if, what if the reason people don't develop grit is because they don't think they need to. (15:59) But by the time you're 50 and realize your dreams didn't come true, you might realize, oh shit.

Kevin Palmieri

(16:05) I don't know. (16:06) I think a lot of people don't want to develop grit. (16:10) I think.(16:12) I think there's a lot of people out there. (16:14) We've said this before. (16:15) I've said this many times.(16:16) I don't know if you've ever said it before, so I won't say you have. (16:19) There's two types of people. (16:20) The people that, that take pride in how easy it's been.(16:23) People that take pride in how hard it's been. (16:26) I don't, I think there's a lot of people that probably don't want to develop grit because they want it to be easy. (16:31) And I think that's what Jeff's them.(16:33) I don't want it to be. (16:34) I like the, I mean, obviously you can push it too far, but I, there's a part of me that likes getting up at four and working till seven. (16:41) It's like, yeah, that's a little, that's a little sick.(16:43) I like that. (16:44) I like that. (16:45) And if I didn't have that, there's no way I would be here.(16:47) There's no way. (16:49) So I know that that's necessary for my goals, but it just works nicely for me because I've always had to have more grit than most people because I just, I didn't set myself up for great circumstances. (17:01) I didn't have a lot of choice.(17:04) I worked overnight for a year and a half. (17:06) That was terrible. (17:07) I traveled all over the place.(17:09) Like I did some really shitty jobs because I had to, that's just, that just is what it is. (17:14) That's what it took. (17:16) So I don't know.(17:17) I think it's a mixture of I, man, I still, I still am of the belief. (17:26) If you sat somebody down and said, this is exactly how you do it, this is what it's going to take. (17:29) This is how much grit you're going to have to develop.(17:31) There's still a very large percentage of people that would say, fuck it. (17:34) I don't want the goal anymore. (17:35) I'm convinced of that.(17:36) I'm, I will never not be convinced of that because it's such a long, we're going to talk about this tomorrow, but it's such a long journey. (17:48) I don't know. (17:49) You know, I don't know.

Alan Lazaros

(17:55) You, you have to, you have to develop grit if you want to achieve goals. (18:00) There are like no, I know there's no like extraordinary, you're not going to see a movie with a hero on a journey who like doesn't go through awful circumstances. (18:11) There is no, like this is a fictitious, I know, but something has to happen.

Kevin Palmieri

(18:17) There's somebody, uh, you and I both know that I follow on social media that has gotten like very into fitness over the last year and a half, two years. (18:27) And they're crushing it. (18:29) Like they're running half marathons.(18:30) Now I should literally read, I don't know this person well enough to reach out and say like, Hey, this is awesome. (18:34) I think it, no, uh, first name. (18:37) Yeah.(18:38) B. (18:39) Beans with a B. (18:40) I don't even know if you follow this person anymore.(18:42) I don't know. (18:42) I'll tell you when we get off. (18:44) And it would probably be weird for me to reach out and be like, Hey, it would be weird.(18:47) I've been watching your stories and you're crushing it. (18:49) Like, okay, you need to take it. (18:51) You need to fucking take it easy.(18:53) But it's inspiring to me because I'm guessing, how do you know they wouldn't be pumped about that? (18:57) They might. (18:58) They probably might.(18:59) Have you ever had someone say, Hey, you inspire me and you'd be upset about it. (19:03) Yeah. (19:03) I have a podcast with 2300 episodes, so it's a little different.(19:07) I dedicated my life to, to try and help other people. (19:10) So I, I, for me, it's not a surprise when I get that. (19:13) So I don't know.(19:15) I don't know. (19:15) We'll see. (19:16) We'll see.(19:16) Well, this person's also a female. (19:18) Yeah. (19:19) So I don't know if that would come off, you know, it might come off weird.(19:22) Like, I, Hey, I haven't, I don't know if I've ever actually talked to you, but like we know each other and we know of each other through people we've never, I don't think ever had a conversation, but like strong work, that probably ain't it. (19:34) But I'm inspired because my thought is something happened. (19:39) Something must've happened and they must've reset a goal.(19:42) And this is a by-product of that goal or a by-product of that hardship. (19:46) One of the two and their workouts are really challenging. (19:48) So they're building grit every day, a little bit, a little bit nice every day.(19:53) And I like that. (19:53) I dig that. (19:54) I think I might know that person.

Alan Lazaros

(19:55) I'm always, I always have that on my radar. (19:57) I think I'm always looking for inspiration always. (20:04) I think we might be talking about the same person, but it's important to see that.(20:10) I think that's awesome. (20:11) I do. (20:12) I think it's awesome.(20:13) I think it's great. (20:13) Can I text it? (20:14) Can I text it to you?(20:14) Yeah, please.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:15) So, you know, we've never done it. (20:17) Have we ever done this? (20:18) You want to text her?(20:18) What's that? (20:19) What's that? (20:19) Please.(20:20) I hate now I have to open WhatsApp. (20:21) No, I have sealed these messages. (20:23) All right.(20:24) Hold on one sec. (20:25) Sorry about this people. (20:30) I think that's how you spell it.(20:33) Yes. (20:34) A hundred percent.

Alan Lazaros

(20:34) That's exactly the same person. (20:36) Yep. (20:36) Yeah.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:36) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(20:37) Crushing it. (20:38) Absolutely killing it. (20:39) Yeah.(20:39) And she's consistent as fuck too. (20:41) Yeah. (20:42) And here's the thing.(20:49) Why else would she be sharing it if she didn't want people to be inspired? (20:54) Look, I I'll, I'll reach out and just say, Hey, super random, super crushing it. (21:02) Absolutely crushing it.(21:04) Uh, back to the grid thing. (21:06) And I know this person actually really well, really well. (21:09) I know her.(21:10) Yeah. (21:10) I know her really well. (21:11) I do.(21:12) Uh, at least I used to. (21:13) So it's been a long time.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:14) Let's say, have you not, not talked to this person in at least five years? (21:17) Yeah, for sure.

Alan Lazaros

(21:18) You still, you know, I knew her very well. (21:21) Um, but anyway, so this person actually wasn't that gritty in my opinion. (21:27) That's what I'm saying.(21:28) But actually I'm starting to realize again, based on book club, uh, one of our book club members, shout out to you, Kazia. (21:33) She just reached out and book club said, Hey, we talked about this. (21:36) I have another comment.(21:36) So we're still, people are still fired up in there. (21:38) It's great. (21:39) If you want to be a part of the next level book club, tiny habits by BJ fog.(21:43) Yes. (21:43) I think he's a little soft.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:45) I was going to say, you've done a shining endorsement of it. (21:47) So I do.

Alan Lazaros

(21:47) I think he's a little soft. (21:48) However, the principles in here, fire principles are fire, but come on BJ fog. (21:54) We got to floss more than one tooth.(21:55) That's all I'm saying. (21:56) All right. (21:57) He ends up flossing them all.(21:59) He went and let me give context. (22:01) Cause I know you're laughing. (22:02) Here's the context.(22:04) He went and bought 15 different types of floss because his teeth are really close together and it's really a pain in the butt for him. (22:12) I remember thinking to myself, brother, just fight through it. (22:16) You know, at what point is there, you don't need the perfect floss to floss.(22:21) Just make it happen.

Kevin Palmieri

(22:22) We've gone too far here.

Alan Lazaros

(22:23) This is, he's not a gritty soul, not a gritty individual.

Kevin Palmieri

(22:26) Well, I, like I said to you, I think a lot of people write books for what they needed.

Alan Lazaros

(22:31) Yeah.

Kevin Palmieri

(22:32) Right. (22:32) That's, I think that's a super common thing.

Alan Lazaros

(22:33) Behavior model is fire. (22:35) Uh, the link will be in the show notes to register book club is totally free. (22:38) Here's my disclaimer.(22:38) Don't come if you don't want to get better and definitely don't come. (22:42) If you have any aversion to this show whatsoever, I'm, I'm going to challenge you forever. (22:48) I'm never going to show up to book club and be like, yeah, it's totally okay that you don't exercise.(22:52) And it's totally okay that you don't want to be better. (22:55) Like, that's not why it's the next level book club. (22:58) I am going to challenge everyone to reach their full potential for the rest of my life.(23:02) And don't come if you don't want that. (23:06) Okay. (23:06) So grit before we move to the next episode here, wrap this in a bow.(23:10) That person I now realize probably is grittier than I thought, but she obviously is building it now way more than she used to. (23:21) And I remember back in the day, she used to say like, you really have your shit together. (23:25) And I remember thinking, no, I don't.(23:26) What are you talking about? (23:28) But now I understand there's levels. (23:31) And I think we all need to surround ourselves with people like that.(23:36) I unfollow people constantly who are not inspiring and motivating and constructive people who just bitch and moan and complain and make excuses. (23:48) And, and I try to eliminate the, the things from my feeds that are destructive and useless and negative. (24:00) And I think some negative is good.(24:01) Obviously, you need to learn the bad things happen in the world. (24:04) But at the end of the day, like I want people who are getting after it, goals and dreams who want to see others win, who are inspiring and motivating and, you know, getting better every day. (24:12) I want to surround my whole world with people who, who are aspirational and gritty.(24:18) And I think that the more, I mean, I'm very grateful. (24:22) Seriously. (24:23) Emilia is one of the grittiest people I've ever met.(24:26) And I get to spend time with her every single day. (24:28) So it's, it's not hard to be gritty when you're constantly around gritty people.

Kevin Palmieri

(24:34) Maybe we should have like a, I don't know, we were going to do a retreat at one time that we were like, ah, no, we're not gonna, we're not gonna do that. (24:42) I feel like we should do like a really intense retreat at some point. (24:45) I would like a next level.(24:47) I'll come up with, I'll try to come up with a cool name. (24:49) But I feel like that would be really cool. (24:50) Like a weekend.(24:52) I don't have any of the details and, or ideas, but something like that. (24:56) I figured we'll do that at some point. (24:59) Will we sleep outside?(25:01) Maybe.

Alan Lazaros

(25:01) Yeah.

Kevin Palmieri

(25:02) Think of maybe a small group. (25:05) Well, what we could do is we could pretend like we're sleeping outside, but like after everybody sleeps, we can slither away to the nearest motel. (25:12) They do on, on outdoor television shows.(25:16) Well, we found a really, we found a lion's den here. (25:18) We're going to sleep in it. (25:19) All right.(25:20) We're done filming. (25:20) All right. (25:21) We're over.(25:21) Let's head over to the Hilton here.

Alan Lazaros

(25:23) That's my Australian accent.

Kevin Palmieri

(25:25) All right.

Alan Lazaros

(25:26) Um, anything you want to add before we go? (25:28) No, I, the only wrong answer is to not try to develop more grit. (25:36) It's going to help you with everything.(25:38) Put it this way. (25:39) If, if something has to be comfortable for you to do it, you limit most great things in life.

Kevin Palmieri

(25:49) Yeah. (25:50) I don't know if I could say better. (25:52) I think it's, grit is consistency regardless of circumstances.(25:57) I think that's the best, the best thing I can say about it. (25:59) Because again, that's, I know we talk about this all the time, but it's the best example I have because everything else is behind the scenes. (26:06) I don't know, 75% of these fucking episodes I didn't want to record.(26:10) Not that I don't love this. (26:12) Right. (26:12) But like the circumstances weren't ideal ever.(26:17) The first ever, Alan does, it's a masterclass now, but it started as a meetup. (26:22) Actually it started as a, was it a meetup originally? (26:26) Or was it a live podcast?

Alan Lazaros

(26:27) It was a mastermind, then a live podcast, then a meetup. (26:30) Mastermind.

Kevin Palmieri

(26:30) Then a masterclass. (26:31) The first mastermind, he lost his power and he did it from the freaking RV. (26:35) Yeah, generator.(26:35) It was like terrible. (26:36) Generator. (26:37) It was terrible.(26:37) Yeah, it was. (26:38) It was, very rarely are the circumstances ever, ever, ever ideal. (26:42) Very rarely.(26:43) And if they are, awesome. (26:45) Then it's a little bit easier. (26:46) Cool.(26:47) But I think we have to prep for the storms because the storms are coming. (26:51) All right, cool. (26:52) If you want to learn how to handle the storms of your life better, Alan has coaching slots available.(26:57) Life, love, health, wealth, all this stuff. (26:59) If you want to be more successful, if you want to be more next level and you know you need accountability and you're humble enough to ask for it, Alan's coaching will be great for you. (27:05) And if you're looking for a group of humans who also want to get to the next level, also, we talked about book club.(27:11) That's an option, but Next Level Nation is always an option as well. (27:14) We'll have the link in the show notes for that. (27:15) As always, we love you.(27:16) We appreciate you. (27:17) Grateful for each and every one of you. (27:19) And if you want to get to the next level, if you are as committed as you say you are, make sure you tune in tomorrow because we will be here every single day to help you get there.(27:27) Keep leveling up through grit to your true potential. (27:31) Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. (27:35) We love connecting with the Next Level family.

Alan Lazaros

(27:38) We mean it when we say family. (27:40) If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. (27:43) Everything you need to get ahold of us is in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri

(27:47) Thank you again and we will talk to you tomorrow.