Microwave Mentality Won't Get You Fine Dining Results (2352)

Easy choices now create hard consequences later. In today’s episode, Kevin and Alan challenge the belief that progress should feel fast, easy, and convenient. They break down why comfort often becomes the invisible barrier that keeps people stuck and how real discipline, resilience, and confidence are built by doing what most people avoid.

If you want results that actually last, this conversation will shift how you think about effort, standards, and long-term success. Decide who you are becoming. Then move accordingly.

_______________________

Learn more about:
Track the Work. Earn the Results. To know more about the "Next Level Fitness Accountability Group," reach out.

• Kevin: https://www.instagram.com/neverquitkid/
• Alan: https://www.instagram.com/alazaros88/

Book Alan’s Business Breakthrough Session. Your first 30-minute coaching call is FREE. Learn how to prioritize success and let your quality of life become the byproduct. - https://calendly.com/alanlazaros/30-minute-breakthrough-session

_______________________

NLU is not just a podcast; it’s a gateway to a wealth of resources designed to help you achieve your goals and dreams. From our Next Level Dreamliner to our Group Coaching, we offer a variety of tools and communities to support your personal development journey.

For more information, check out our website and socials using the links below. 👇

Website: http://www.nextleveluniverse.com

Instagram:
Kevin: https://www.instagram.com/neverquitkid/
Alan: https://www.instagram.com/alazaros88/

Facebook:
Alan: https://www.facebook.com/alan.lazaros
Kevin: https://www.facebook.com/kevin.palmieri.90/

Email:
Kevin@nextleveluniverse.com
Alan@nextleveluniverse.com

LinkedIn:
Kevin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-palmieri-5b7736160/
Alan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alanlazarosllc/

_______________________

Show notes:
(2:12) Microwave mentality Vs. Real achievement
(4:46) Success timelines people misunderstand
(10:08) Immediate gratification and modern complacency
(13:28) Delayed gratification unlocks real potential
(16:14) Growth requires chosen discomfort
(18:06) The path of least resistance leads to suffering
(20:25) Outro

🎙️ Hosted by Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros

Next Level University is a top-ranked daily podcast for dream chasers and self-improvement lovers. With over 2,100 episodes, we help you level up in life, love, health, and wealth one day at a time. Subscribe for real, honest, no-fluff growth every single day.

Transcript

Kevin Palmieri

(0:00) Unfortunately, some of the stories that we aspire to recreate in our own lives are the anomalies, and the people that go viral overnight and hit it big without really working that hard is not going to happen for most of us, and it shouldn't happen for most of us. (0:15) Nothing worth having comes easy. (0:18) Welcome to Next Level University.(0:21) I'm your host, Kevin Palmieri. (0:22) And I'm your co-host, Alan Lazarus. (0:26) At NLU, we believe in a heart-driven but no-BS approach to holistic self-improvement for dream chasers.

Alan Lazaros

(0:32) Our goal with every episode is to help you level up your life, love, health, and wealth.

Kevin Palmieri

(0:39) We bring you a new episode every single day on topics like confidence, self-belief, self-worth, self-awareness, relationships, boundaries, consistency, habits, and defining your own unique version of success.

Alan Lazaros

(0:55) Self-improvement in your pocket, every day, from anywhere, completely free.

Kevin Palmieri

(1:01) Welcome to Next Level University. (1:07) Next Level Nation, today for episode number 2,352. (1:10) I like this title.(1:12) Okay, it's a little bit different than usual, but here we go. (1:14) Microwave Mentality Won't Get You Fine Dining Results. (1:17) I thought it was kind of cute.(1:19) I thought it was kind of cute. (1:22) You wanted to do this episode, but before you do, I will, real quick, there was a, I saw a YouTube video about someone and essentially, I think this person went viral on their like fourth YouTube video, and the weird thing about the video was they were like, the first video, nothing happened. (1:44) The second video, nothing happened.(1:47) The third video, a little bit happened. (1:50) And then finally, finally, on the fourth video, they went viral. (1:57) Like, no, no, that's not, no, that's not the way it works.(2:03) And that is the way it actually can happen for some people, a very, very small percentage. (2:07) I'm talking more about the fact that they said finally, after four videos, they went viral. (2:11) You want to talk about setting the wrong expectations for people?(2:14) Yeah. (2:14) Oh, after four? (2:16) Oh my, that must be so hard.(2:17) You put up four videos and on the fourth week, you crushed it. (2:20) Like that must've been, oh my, your first studio album. (2:24) That must've been terrible.(2:26) You were a band for six months and you recorded one album and it went, oh, that must've been so hard. (2:31) I'm so sorry to hear about your, but people word it that way.

Alan Lazaros

(2:36) And I don't know. (2:38) I just feel like- They're doing that on purpose or do you think they actually think that was hard?

Kevin Palmieri

(2:44) I think it depends on the person. (2:46) Yeah. (2:46) You know, the other thing, this is another thing.(2:48) Hold on really quick. (2:50) So there, have you, you don't listen to any music really? (2:54) That's like out in the new.

Alan Lazaros

(2:55) Hold on.

Kevin Palmieri

(2:56) Of course I do. (2:57) I listen to music every single day in the gym. (2:59) Do you, have you ever heard of shout out to Olivia Dean?(3:02) Has any, have you heard of her? (3:04) Maybe. (3:04) I might recognize songs.

Alan Lazaros

(3:06) Okay. (3:07) Let me see. (3:08) And I meant every other day.(3:09) Whenever I weight train, we weight train every other day right now.

Kevin Palmieri

(3:13) Olivia Dean. (3:16) She just won best new artist. (3:18) Okay.(3:19) For the Grammys, I believe. (3:22) This probably, okay. (3:26) She has been a musician for like, I don't know, a decade.(3:32) Okay. (3:32) Nice. (3:33) She won best new artist 10 years into her fucking career.(3:38) That, that's all we need to hear. (3:41) Not like she just, best new artist doesn't mean she just started. (3:45) That's not what it means.(3:46) It means she like just kind of got popular and now she's noteworthy. (3:49) Nice. (3:50) When I saw that, I was like, oh my goodness.(3:53) Well, I think when you think best new artist, you've just never heard of them before. (3:57) Yeah. (3:58) I've, I've been listening to her for like, I don't know, a year now, not a very long time, but like she has albums that have come out before she hit it big.(4:08) So I think that's a really good example. (4:10) Best new artist is not a new artist. (4:14) Their odds are they've been here for five to 10 years, most likely.(4:16) Yeah, for sure. (4:17) For sure. (4:18) You dig it?(4:19) Is, let me see if I can get an actual date. (4:24) What do you, what do you got?

Alan Lazaros

(4:25) I don't know. (4:26) I, I, I don't know. (4:31) Like maybe we're weird in this because I can't remember when I first heard about the overnight success isn't real thing, but maybe we should.(4:44) The problem is overnight success actually is real now for some people. (4:47) For some people. (4:48) But it's like one in a billion.(4:50) I think it's always been for some people.

Kevin Palmieri

(4:51) Like the Gondam style.

Alan Lazaros

(4:52) Did he do anything before Gondam style?

Kevin Palmieri

(4:54) Psy? (4:54) I don't know. (4:55) I don't know the artist.(4:56) Years active, Olivia Dean, 2014 to present. (5:00) She's been an active musician for 12, 12 years and now she's the best new artist. (5:08) Um, Psy.(5:08) Let me see here. (5:10) Gondam style. (5:11) 1977.(5:13) Nice. (5:14) Let's see here.

Alan Lazaros

(5:16) What are you, what are you doing? (5:17) What are you on?

Kevin Palmieri

(5:17) I'm on Wikipedia. (5:18) Years active 1999 to present. (5:21) So Psy has been in it for a minute.(5:23) 27 years.

Alan Lazaros

(5:25) Yeah.

Kevin Palmieri

(5:25) Right. (5:25) 27 years.

Alan Lazaros

(5:27) Yeah. (5:29) Overnight success. (5:32) Not really a thing.(5:34) I guess with that YouTuber you were talking about for four videos, that's kind of overnight success. (5:40) But who knows, were they video editing when they were 10?

Kevin Palmieri

(5:43) Like, I don't know. (5:44) No, I don't think so. (5:45) But the problem is with that is they're saying like, well, the four, I mean, four videos and eventually they went, no, no, they didn't.(5:53) That's the same month. (5:55) That could, that could have been the same week. (5:57) You know, it's not like that's not, there's stories of, there's stories of artists.(6:03) Ian McClellan, baby. (6:04) Yeah. (6:05) Best story.(6:06) I love it. (6:06) Samuel L. (6:07) Jackson too.(6:08) Like I'm pretty sure. (6:08) Wasn't he in his fifties or sixties? (6:11) Forties.

Alan Lazaros

(6:11) Yeah. (6:12) I think Pulp Fiction he was in his forties.

Kevin Palmieri

(6:14) And didn't he like work through a heroin addiction? (6:17) Was that Samuel L. (6:19) Jackson?(6:19) I don't know. (6:20) I'm on it. (6:21) I'm already in Wikipedia.

Alan Lazaros

(6:21) He's in it. (6:22) He's in Wikipedia. (6:23) All right.(6:24) So why are we talking about all this? (6:26) And I'm going to tell the Ian McClellan thing. (6:28) I got to.(6:30) The very first X-Men movie was in 2001, I want to say. (6:38) And I guess Ian McClellan had been acting for, I don't know, decades before that he was in his sixties. (6:45) I think he was 61 during that, I think.(6:49) And now Gandalf and I mean, just a, just a huge global success. (6:57) And the Hobbit movies, I think they're coming out with a new one called Gollum, Lord of the Rings Gollum or something. (7:04) Anyways, I watched a clip where they talked about how Andy Serkis is Gollum and Andy Serkis is producing the new Gollum movie, which is a Lord of the Rings movie.(7:20) And they just postponed it to release in 2027, December, 2027, I think. (7:25) And again, I'm not sure about what's real and what's not nowadays. (7:28) So don't quote me on this, but essentially in the clip, they were, Andy Serkis was concerned that some of the actors are like getting too old because Lord of the Rings was big in 2001, 2002, 2003, I think like the Return of the King, the Fellowship of the Ring and the Two Towers.(7:48) Two Towers is my favorite one. (7:50) But anyways, my point is Ian McClellan wasn't successful quote unquote until he was 61. (7:57) And now he's one of the most famous and successful actors in the history of the world.(8:02) Who is he? (8:03) Uh, Gandalf. (8:05) The big hairy dude?(8:07) No, that's Dumbledore, man. (8:09) He's Gandalf in the Lord of the Rings, the wizard. (8:12) Is he also the dude- And the Hobbit movies.(8:14) So he's in- Play Professor X in X-Men? (8:17) Yeah, yeah, yeah. (8:17) He's Magneto.(8:19) He's Magneto. (8:19) The bald guy. (8:21) No.(8:22) Oh, no, my bad. (8:23) Okay. (8:24) Professor X is a different character.(8:26) Magneto is the one with the helmet in X-Men. (8:31) The one who can move metal.

Kevin Palmieri

(8:33) I always liked the juggernaut. (8:34) He was always my favorite. (8:37) Juggernaut was always my favorite.

Alan Lazaros

(8:38) You're a ridiculous person, honestly. (8:40) Sometimes I wonder how all this happened with you and me, honestly. (8:42) Same, man, same.(8:43) This is one of those moments. (8:45) What's the superpower you want? (8:46) People ask that on our show.

Kevin Palmieri

(8:49) A superhuman thirst for- No, Alan's is, this always fucking gut me. (8:53) It's like, oh God, you want to make me look so bad. (8:55) And Alan always goes first.(8:57) If you could have any superpower, what would it be? (8:59) I would pause time so I could, or I could rewind time so I could spend more time with Emilia. (9:04) It's like- Pause time.(9:05) How the fuck am I going to, super strength, baby. (9:08) Yeah, yeah, you want to be the Hulk. (9:10) I can't compete with that.(9:11) I can't say the same thing. (9:13) It is true, man. (9:14) Seriously.(9:15) I would still do super strength because it would allow me to stop the world spinning to slow down time as well.

Alan Lazaros

(9:22) All right, we have to make this of value. (9:24) All right, immediate gratification because you, none of that, nope. (9:28) No value in there.(9:29) No value in there. (9:30) I do think it's funny, the Hulk was your favorite superhero? (9:34) Yeah.(9:34) Yeah, makes sense. (9:36) Yeah, Hulk. (9:37) Way back in the day, I liked Gambit.(9:39) You remember?

Kevin Palmieri

(9:40) Terrible movies though. (9:42) Gambit. (9:42) I thought that was dumb.(9:44) Throwing cards at me? (9:45) What are we doing here? (9:46) Get the fuck out of here.(9:47) I liked Gambit. (9:47) I'm going to smash you through a wall.

Alan Lazaros

(9:49) He had the pole. (9:50) All right, this is X-Men. (9:51) This is two people who grew up in the 90s right now.

Kevin Palmieri

(9:55) That's what this is. (9:56) All right. (9:56) You throw your little, you're going to throw your ten of clubs at me?(9:59) I'm going to Hulk smash you through the wall. (10:00) What are we doing here? (10:02) All right.(10:03) Take it easy.

Alan Lazaros

(10:04) All right. (10:04) Yeah. (10:04) Sorry.(10:05) He had actual skills. (10:06) Okay.

Kevin Palmieri

(10:07) Yeah. (10:08) Okay.

Alan Lazaros

(10:08) So immediate gratification is the, it is everywhere, man. (10:15) And I love it too. (10:17) I'm going to read this.(10:18) I told Kevin I was going to do this. (10:19) We got to do it. (10:19) All right.(10:20) I posted this earlier. (10:25) Here are some of the mantras Emilia and I say to ourselves and sometimes out loud in the gym when we're struggling and need a good kick in the ass. (10:34) Game time.(10:37) Find failure. (10:38) Focus the up. (10:40) What are you here for?(10:41) You're better than this. (10:42) Lightweight. (10:43) Get it up.(10:44) Focus. (10:45) Sometimes when Emilia is struggling to put up the weight, I say up. (10:48) I like yell it helps.(10:49) And many more. (10:51) Truth be told, I do realize not everyone treats their daily exercise and strength training as intensely as we do. (10:55) And I'm not asking you to be like us.(10:57) My only focus with these fitness posts or anything I post for that matter is to inspire others to reach their full potential. (11:03) We all have a warrior within. (11:04) And while I always encourage people, including myself to be kind and respectful, I also know that we cannot reach our full potential without that inner warrior.(11:13) My warrior carried me through the darkest times, especially growing up. (11:17) And while I've definitely lost touch with him at times, you and me lost our warrior for a few years.

Kevin Palmieri

(11:22) Yeah, for sure. (11:23) Yep.

Alan Lazaros

(11:24) Dad bod university for a few years there.

Kevin Palmieri

(11:26) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(11:27) I'm grateful. (11:28) He's always got my back. (11:29) The 21st century has made a lot of people very soft and life is coming for all of us.(11:37) I'm all for inner work, healing, and working on yourself. (11:40) But what I'm not for is allowing the conveniences so many of us enjoy, myself included, to make us lazy, complacent, and mediocre. (11:50) And for any of you next level warriors out there, sick and tired of letting mediocrity be the standard, DM Kevin and I.(11:58) Should be Kevin and me. (12:00) Our next level fitness accountability group is full of Spartans who are on fire and getting after it every single day. (12:05) Let us know if you want in.(12:07) Listen, immediate gratification has made us soft. (12:15) Every time I'm feeling like, oh man, I'm struggling. (12:19) Alan, there are people who walk miles for water.(12:22) Don't you dare. (12:23) Don't you dare. (12:24) I had a client with no arms and no legs.(12:25) Every day is harder for her. (12:28) Every day is harder for her. (12:30) Don't you dare.(12:31) Now, at the end of the day, immediate gratification. (12:35) Microwave mentality. (12:38) Groceries delivered to our door.(12:40) Amazon gets me something in three hours. (12:42) All's I'm saying is, if you let it, if you let it, the 21st century will make you so soft. (12:49) I'm going to say this.(12:49) I already said it before. (12:50) I love you book club members. (12:51) I love you.(12:52) I do. (12:52) You know I do. (12:54) You know me.(12:55) You know, I mean, well, when I say this, when I found out there are people in book club who could not do pushups, that changed my life. (13:04) Brother, if you can't drop and give me 50 right now, we have to have a conversation. (13:09) Here's my point.(13:10) If someone were to attack you, you need to be able to defend yourself. (13:13) You have to be strong and fit and healthy. (13:16) You don't have to do anything.(13:17) But if you listen to NLU, it's game time. (13:20) Most of the things in life that are worth having are hard and not immediate. (13:26) Immediate gratification will destroy your life.(13:30) And I had a time in my life that I was allowing media mediocrity and immediate gratification to destroy my life. (13:37) And so I'm encouraging everyone to find the warrior in here and ignite that shit, baby, because your potential is on the other side of delaying gratification and doing hard things by choice. (13:52) Your next level warriors.(13:53) I like that. (13:54) I do too. (13:55) My first Halo montage, Halo 2 back in the day was, was warrior within.

Kevin Palmieri

(14:00) What year was that? (14:02) What year was that?

Alan Lazaros

(14:03) Oh my goodness. (14:06) I don't know. (14:08) 2001, 2003.(14:10) I don't know. (14:11) I was in high school. (14:12) So 2005.

Kevin Palmieri

(14:15) 2005. (14:16) Also real quick, side tangent. (14:17) They never made a standalone movie about the guy who throws cards, right?(14:21) Never got his own movie? (14:23) Brother. (14:24) He didn't, right?(14:24) I said all of that. (14:26) And that's what we're going back to. (14:26) No, no.(14:27) But real quick, he didn't get his own movie, right? (14:28) I doubt it. (14:29) My point stints.(14:30) Dude, I don't just like Gambit. (14:32) Hulk has several. (14:33) No, that was very, extremely well-written.(14:34) And I agree. (14:35) I think the path of least resistance leads to the path of most suffering. (14:40) Eventually it's just, eventually that's the problem in the, in the beginning.(14:46) We used to talk about this all the time. (14:48) If you have kids in the room, I mean, you shouldn't don't because we are swearing a lot more because we're leaning into being hardcore. (14:54) But Alan and I, we were walking out of the studio one day and I was like, dude, of course I was addicted to porn and weed.(15:00) They're awesome. (15:01) In the moment, in the moment, you just get dopamine hit after dopamine hit and you get immediate gratification. (15:10) Of course it'll ruin your life.(15:12) It'll ruin your life. (15:13) But of course it's an addiction. (15:16) Of course, of course, that's going to be a problem.(15:20) That's going to continue to get worse and worse as 13 year olds have cell phones that can access anything in the world at any given, like you have to fight against it. (15:28) You have to fight against it. (15:31) We have great opportunity.(15:32) We have so much opportunity, but with opportunity is the requirement for discipline. (15:38) You and I are becoming those old guys. (15:40) You're, you're more than a Mike.(15:41) No, I know more than I look. (15:42) I'm okay. (15:43) You want to, you want to have a TV on at the gym?(15:45) I don't care. (15:46) That doesn't bother me at all. (15:48) I'm old school.

Alan Lazaros

(15:50) We didn't, we didn't have AI. (15:52) We had to go to the library. (15:54) Look out the window when there's kids outside running around the neighborhood.(15:57) There are no kids outside running around the neighborhood. (16:00) They're all playing video games, which I also understand. (16:03) Video games are awesome.(16:05) Make sure they're competitive in real time strategy games. (16:07) I'm joking. (16:08) All right.(16:08) At the end of the day, I am becoming that old dude. (16:11) Immediate gratification will destroy your life. (16:13) Don't let it fight against this.(16:15) Just like the focus episode we did. (16:17) Like you've got to, when I first met Amelia six years ago, I knew she was intense. (16:23) She did Muay Thai.(16:24) She was just relentless. (16:26) Love it. (16:26) Fucking love it.(16:28) And I said, can you grow without pain or can you grow without challenge? (16:37) She said, she looked at me. (16:38) No.(16:40) I was like, can you have challenge without pain? (16:43) She said, no. (16:45) I said, then why are we all avoiding the one thing that's necessary to grow?(16:49) You can't grow towards your goals and dreams without pain. (16:53) Everyone hates the Stairmaster.

Kevin Palmieri

(16:55) I have an answer. (16:57) I have an answer for that. (16:59) It is this simple because I feel like most people associate pain with bad because so much of the pain that they deal with is not by choice.(17:07) Agreed. (17:08) That's it. (17:09) But I think that's why I'm not saying to.(17:10) No, no, I know. (17:11) I know.

Alan Lazaros

(17:11) No, but that's a great distinction. (17:13) Yeah. (17:13) Like pain by choice for a purpose.(17:18) Stairmaster painful a hundred percent. (17:21) And if it's not jack that thing up, I go into the gym trying to make it harder because I want to walk away stronger. (17:29) And it's unbelievable.(17:31) I mean, when you, when you train yourself every day, body and your brain, you become very capable over time and it's really empowering. (17:41) And then you believe in yourself more and then you do more and then you, you can be there for your family in ways that other people can't. (17:47) I don't want to be 70 and not be able to climb a mountain, dude.(17:50) I'm not interested. (17:51) I want to be able to climb the, the best views require you to climb.

Kevin Palmieri

(17:56) And one of our clients, his goal is to be physically active and physically independent at 90. (18:01) That's his goal. (18:02) Great goal.(18:04) He's got an ordering. (18:05) He tracks his sleep. (18:06) He doesn't drink.(18:07) He exercises every day reads.

Alan Lazaros

(18:10) And I bet you a lot of people say, Hey, you should really take it easy, man. (18:13) Definitely.

Kevin Palmieri

(18:14) Yeah. (18:14) And it's like, I, I love it because when we went to Toronto together, he's like, Hey man, like we're not going to dinner with everybody. (18:20) Right.(18:20) And we're going to go back and go to sleep. (18:21) I was like, fuck him in. (18:22) Awesome.(18:23) We're seven o'clock. (18:25) We got to head back to the hotel here. (18:26) We need to get this man to bed.(18:27) Nice. (18:28) Perfect. (18:29) All right.(18:30) Anything you want to leave with, I know you're fired up on this. (18:33) I want to make sure you get a chance. (18:34) Cause I know I interrupted you with silly things.

Alan Lazaros

(18:36) These last few episodes have been very near and dear to my heart. (18:39) And, uh, as I do think that there's a lot of obviously wonderful things that technology has done for our world, for sure. (18:50) Of course.(18:51) And it comes with a downside. (18:52) This is it fight back, take back your mind, take back your body, take back your goals, defend your dreams.

Kevin Palmieri

(19:00) Nobody's going to do that for you. (19:01) That's it. (19:02) Mine would be what I think is quote worthy.(19:04) And I might, this might go up on my Instagram. (19:06) I don't want to pump my own tires. (19:07) You know, I know I talk a lot of shit, but the path of least resistance becomes the past of the path of most suffering.(19:14) Eventually that I think that's a really good way. (19:17) You take, you can only take the shortcut for so long before you end up just going in circles, right? (19:23) Shortcut probably doesn't lead to greatness.(19:25) All right, cool. (19:26) If you want to get to your own unique version of greatness when it comes to fitness, and honestly, it's going to be improvement, right? (19:33) We're not going to get to the end.(19:34) There is no end, but you will improve. (19:35) You get a little bit better. (19:36) We have the next level fitness accountability group.(19:38) We'd love to have you. (19:39) It's a free WhatsApp group. (19:40) Alan's in it every day.(19:41) I'm in it every day. (19:42) A bunch of people are in it every day and people are crushing it. (19:45) And I'm, I mean this with so much love, but I know a lot of people in the group are getting better results because they're more consistent because they know they are accountable to other people, right?(19:58) People are on fire in there that have been struggling with fitness in the past. (20:01) So if that's you reach out, we'll let you in the group. (20:03) And yeah, it's a great group.

Alan Lazaros

(20:05) If you want to do all you can with all you have, and you want someone in your corner who will never allow mediocrity to be the standard, never. (20:14) I will of course be compassionate when you're down, but we're going to get back up and we're going to get back up smarter and stronger every time. (20:20) My coaching is more affordable than you think.(20:22) Reach out. (20:23) We can start small and build.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:25) As always, we love you. (20:27) We appreciate you. (20:28) Grateful for each and every one of you.(20:29) And if you are as committed as you say you are to getting to the next level, make sure you tune in tomorrow because we will be here every single day to help you get there. (20:37) Keep leveling up to reach your full potential.

Alan Lazaros

(20:39) Next Level Nation.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:41) Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. (20:45) We love connecting with the Next Level family.

Alan Lazaros

(20:48) We mean it when we say family. (20:50) If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. (20:53) Everything you need to get ahold of us is in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:57) Thank you again, and we will talk to you tomorrow.