The More You Grow… The Less You Actually Grow (2407)

What if your biggest growth season is the one that feels the least exciting?

In today’s episode, Kevin and Alan explain why real progress gets harder to notice as you improve. Early wins are obvious. Later wins are smaller, sharper, and far more earned. Drawing from years of fitness, habit-building, coaching, and pattern recognition, they unpack why mastery is not about constant breakthroughs. It is about better standards, deeper awareness, and the discipline to keep refining what already works.

If your progress feels slower than it used to, this episode will help you see why that may be a sign you are actually getting better. Don’t skip this one just because it sounds subtle. That is usually where the real edge is.

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Show notes:
(4:32) Learning only matters if you can implement it
(10:21) Small tweaks create bigger long-term gains
(17:29) Why reminders matter more than new information
(18:46) Invisible progress and the real compound effect
(20:47) Improve everything and raise your standards
(22:41) Outro

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Transcript

Kevin Palmieri

(0:00) I have been into fitness since I was 16. (0:04) I'm 36. (0:05) I've been doing fitness, bodybuilding, strength training, weightlifting since I was 20.(0:10) Am I ever going to learn something completely brand new? (0:14) Most likely not. (0:15) You learn how to squat once, then you squat, but you learn these very, very small pivots.(0:20) And my thought process is as you grow more and more the things you learn are less impactful, but more impactful at the same time because you're better and you can actually implement them.

Alan Lazaros

(0:34) Yeah. (0:35) So when you're young, everything's new. (0:39) Everything is new.(0:41) Every experience is new. (0:43) What is that animal? (0:44) And what does that do?(0:45) And oh, well, I've never seen that car before. (0:47) And then as you get older and older and older and older, you're supposed to become smarter, stronger, wiser, and you're never done learning, but the amount you learn in a given day is smaller percentage for a bigger impact.

Kevin Palmieri

(1:00) Welcome to Next Level University. (1:03) I'm your host, Kevin Palmieri. (1:05) And I'm your co-host, Alan Lazarus.(1:08) At NLU, we believe in a heart-driven but no BS approach to holistic self-improvement for dream chasers.

Alan Lazaros

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Kevin Palmieri

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Alan Lazaros

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Kevin Palmieri

(1:43) Welcome to Next Level University. (1:49) Next Level Nation today for episode number 2407. (1:52) The more you grow, the less you actually grow.(1:55) I know that is a paradox. (1:56) I know it doesn't make any sense, but based on what you just heard, that's where we're going with this conversation because as I read books now, I'm reading, I'm listening to Influenced by Robert Cialdini. (2:10) Great book.(2:11) Great book for everybody, not just if you're in sales or whatever. (2:14) Such a good book. (2:17) And it's not as impactful this time as it was the first time.(2:22) Yeah. (2:22) You get to the Tupperware parties yet? (2:24) Yeah, past that.(2:25) Yeah, it's great. (2:26) It's great. (2:27) It's great.(2:27) Now you can't get hoodwinked, man. (2:30) I am anti-social as it is, so for me, I just start with, if somebody asks me to do something, I just start with no usually. (2:36) I try to just say no.(2:37) It's better for me. (2:38) I don't mean just that though.

Alan Lazaros

(2:39) I mean... (2:40) This is on clearance and all that kind of stuff, right? (2:43) That book makes you unhoodwinkable.

Kevin Palmieri

(2:45) But the first time I read it, it changed everything. (2:49) It was like a checklist of like, I'm doing, oh my goodness, I've never thought of this. (2:52) I've never thought of this.(2:53) I've never thought of this. (2:54) I don't know how to make the concept land, so maybe we can do it together, but as you... (2:59) Okay.(3:00) I am still learning not different exercises in the gym, different iterations of the same exercises. (3:10) And things are working differently because I'm focusing on them differently, but it's not like I'm going to all of a sudden get super jacked because I learned something new. (3:23) And if you just started weight training, you can go from like zero to 75 really fast.(3:30) But it takes, when you're at 75, it takes a lot to go from 75 to 76, and 76 to... (3:35) And then when you're at like 80, it takes way more to go from 80 to 81 than it ever did in the beginning. (3:41) But the lessons are far more impactful because you have way more opportunity to use them in a positive way.(3:49) That's my... (3:50) I want to try to get that to land if we can.

Alan Lazaros

(3:53) Why do you think you have more opportunity? (3:55) Because what I think you think is when you learn something, you're actually the type of person who can implement it consistently now. (4:06) Yeah, I would say that's fair.(4:07) It's like, what is it, tools in the hands of fools are dangerous. (4:12) Whereas if you have someone who's trained really well, that... (4:18) Okay, so you could give someone who's a four-year-old a brand new computer.(4:22) It doesn't matter. (4:22) They can't do anything with it.

Kevin Palmieri

(4:23) They can break it.

Alan Lazaros

(4:24) Yeah, they can certainly break it. (4:26) That's about it. (4:28) It's almost the operating system.(4:32) And this is what we should separate too, because learning has these different layers. (4:39) So learn about yourself, learn about other people, learn about the world. (4:46) Those are the three categories.(4:47) But what I'm trying to say here is, let's say you learn something new about how to squat or squat form. (4:54) You're the type of person now who can implement that forever. (4:58) Whereas in the past, maybe you learned squat form, but it didn't matter because you weren't focused on having good form.(5:05) And again, it's a bad metaphor, because I think for you, you actually were with that. (5:09) But I could teach you time management. (5:13) This is so difficult, actually.(5:15) Even at Next Level Live, I said this to the whole audience. (5:18) I'm going to treat you as if you want to be an Olympic athlete, because a lot of what I'm going to teach people, they're not going to implement unless they have to. (5:28) So, influenced by Robert Cialdini, you learned a whole bunch last time, but did you implement it?(5:35) Probably. (5:37) Okay.

Kevin Palmieri

(5:37) Definitely, but it's going to be a smaller percentage of new. (5:46) I think in the beginning, you learn a ton of wide, and then it's deeper and deeper and deeper. (5:53) And then eventually, it's not necessarily deep.(5:56) It's just like the reminder of, oh my goodness, now with the circumstances and what I've learned, I could do that way better than I could do that before. (6:03) Let me get back. (6:05) Let me get back to that.(6:07) I think fitness is the best example of this, though. (6:10) I'm still learning stuff 16 years in. (6:13) I'm sorry, 20 years in, not 16.(6:15) I'm still learning stuff 20 years in. (6:17) None of it is nearly as impactful as the first time I learned how to squat effectively. (6:21) Yeah.(6:22) In the short term. (6:23) In the short term. (6:24) But even in the long run, it's like, make more, spend less, invest the difference.(6:32) Make more, spend less, invest the difference. (6:34) If you learn that, what percent of the equation is that? (6:44) 80.(6:45) So that's a giant. (6:47) So if you learn those three, you may never learn another thing about finance.

Alan Lazaros

(6:50) But you can't do that well unless you also know the other stuff.

Kevin Palmieri

(6:53) That's why this is so confusing. (6:55) But you can't know the other stuff until you know that probably. (7:00) You're not going to...(7:02) What's what's like a good prompt? (7:05) OK, if you want to target a certain muscle, if you really want to hit your back when you're doing the V-bar row, keep your elbows tucked. (7:12) If you've never done that before, that is useless information to you.(7:16) Just row it. (7:17) Just take the bar and bring it closer to your belly button. (7:20) That's it.(7:20) Let's just start there. (7:21) Don't worry about anything else. (7:23) I don't care about anything else.(7:25) Then eventually you get to the point where it's like, I don't know, man, I'm starting to feel this in this part. (7:29) Oh, yeah, that's because your elbows are flared. (7:31) So you're working a different part.(7:32) Just bring your elbows in and then just try to connect your elbows behind your back when you do it. (7:35) Just do that. (7:36) That automatically happens, I think.

Alan Lazaros

(7:39) Definitely not. (7:40) No, that's it. (7:41) Yeah.(7:41) God, no.

Kevin Palmieri

(7:44) I don't know, man. (7:45) I... (7:46) Well, it's different for you.(7:48) I know it's the worst. (7:51) I know. (7:51) I feel like...(7:53) And again...

Alan Lazaros

(7:54) Yeah, yeah, yeah. (7:55) I don't know if I even want to talk about this. (8:01) But I brush my teeth better than I used to.(8:05) Everything I do, I do better. (8:07) Everything. (8:08) I'm trying to find new ways to floss.(8:09) I'm trying to find new... (8:10) I just got a new 75 inch. (8:13) I'm relearning how to be more productive today, this morning.(8:17) I was so excited. (8:17) But that's not where you started. (8:19) Yeah, I know.(8:20) But my presupposition, and this is what we should debate about, if you don't agree, is that as long as you can do the thing... (8:28) I didn't exercise every day for four years doing the same thing. (8:35) Improvement is part of the process.

Kevin Palmieri

(8:38) Your awareness is ahead of your results, though. (8:40) So for you, it's different. (8:42) I know you're sick of hearing that.(8:43) You're probably sick of hearing that too, whether you're watching or listening. (8:45) But that just is the truth. (8:46) Your awareness is beyond your results.(8:47) So for you, it's not an awareness issue. (8:50) What's a good example of this, though? (8:51) Where like, oh, shit, that's actually way better.

Alan Lazaros

(8:54) You know? (8:55) Okay, I used my wrist wraps on my knee not long ago. (9:01) And it was like, oh, this is fucking great.(9:04) It's just simple little things. (9:06) You used your wrist wraps on your knee? (9:07) Yeah, two of them.(9:08) Like knee suits? (9:08) I wrapped my knee with my wrist wraps. (9:11) Yeah, like pretty tight.(9:12) And it didn't hurt at all. (9:13) I was running great. (9:16) But are you not always looking for those tiny improvements?(9:20) I'm always looking for those little tweaks. (9:22) Like always.

Kevin Palmieri

(9:22) I think a lot of mine is like more reactive. (9:28) Really? (9:29) I would say it's like my shoulder starts bothering me and then I fix it.(9:35) You know?

Alan Lazaros

(9:36) Some of mine is reactive. (9:38) I mean, I wouldn't do that unless my knee hurt, right? (9:40) So that's what I mean.(9:42) I don't ever go into the gym without... (9:45) I can't leave the gym without improving something. (9:48) Can't.(9:49) It's like a fundamental... (9:51) It's part of my being. (9:53) Like you and I talked...(9:57) I'm not gonna go there. (9:58) Everything I do. (10:00) Intimacy with Emilia.(10:01) Always better. (10:03) Forever. (10:03) Always.(10:04) I do not get worse. (10:06) I will not get worse. (10:07) At anything.(10:08) Ever. (10:08) I don't care if I'm brushing my teeth, the way I'm putting on my clothing, the way I do my tracker. (10:16) The old trackers we used to use were fucking terrible compared to this.(10:21) 100%.

Kevin Palmieri

(10:21) But is that not like... (10:23) But that's the point is you getting me to track habits took me from 0 to 80%. (10:29) Okay.(10:30) Now every little iteration that we tweak, it's not... (10:34) Oh my... (10:34) Perfect.(10:35) You just gained as much ground as you did when you first start tracking. (10:39) And you kind of did. (10:41) Because at the beginning you didn't know what the fuck you were doing.(10:44) Now you understand the tool so well that you can actually compound with very, very small tweaks.

Alan Lazaros

(10:50) Remember when you ran the financial system for like years and didn't change a thing and I was shocked? (10:55) Yes. (10:56) Is that because I'm projecting this?

Kevin Palmieri

(10:58) Yeah. (10:58) Yeah, yeah. (10:59) You teach me a system, I'm going to run it.(11:01) If I didn't create the system, I probably can't improve it. (11:04) But I can run that thing. (11:06) I'll run it.

Alan Lazaros

(11:07) Well, so then let's talk about that. (11:08) Because when I say commitment to constant and never-ending improvement, what do you think of? (11:15) What do I think of?

Kevin Palmieri

(11:19) Number one, in the beginning it was like, ah, that's fucking stupid. (11:23) So it's like a, I know it's one of those things, you know, hashtag can I? (11:26) I was like, yeah, fuck, I can, I understand.(11:28) But I don't think most people are as committed to it as you are. (11:32) I'm not, when I put my clothes on in the morning, I'm not thinking about like, what could I have done more optimally? (11:39) Left arm?(11:39) I'm going to try right arm tomorrow, see how that goes. (11:41) Like I'm not thinking about that. (11:42) I am, for sure.(11:44) I just find something that looks good, throw that on, and I'm off to the races. (11:48) Let's go. (11:49) Here we go to the gym.

Alan Lazaros

(11:50) Yeah, that would make a lot of sense. (11:52) I got this new manscaped razor and I'm improving the way in which I shave every day now. (12:00) Always, always, always.(12:02) Yeah. (12:02) 24, 7, 365 at all times with everything. (12:06) But your life won't get better unless you do that.(12:11) So you do that, but only in very specific things, right?

Kevin Palmieri

(12:13) I would, I'd say I probably, I do that to a very high degree. (12:18) It's just not like you. (12:21) Like I bought a specific rice cooker that I could, the one I had before was great, but it didn't turn off and the rice would burn and it was a whole fucking thing.(12:31) So I bought a mini Instapot. (12:33) You can schedule it. (12:34) You can delay it.(12:35) It keeps it warm. (12:36) It's the best. (12:37) Love it.(12:38) That's so I can have my food ready when I'm done. (12:41) Because if it takes me an hour, it doesn't really. (12:44) But like, let's say I have to make the rice and all that, that's taken away from sleep.(12:48) So I'm trying to improve that.

Alan Lazaros

(12:50) Back when we used to track habits, I used to do it on that flashcard. (12:54) That was awful compared to what we do now. (12:59) Yeah.(12:59) I know this isn't the episode you wanted to do, but if anyone's out there watching or listening, you don't have to do anything. (13:05) If you want to live your best life, you have to do this, which is improve everything all the time. (13:10) And I'm not joking.(13:12) I mean, actually all the time, like the way you drive, the commute to the gym, the way you enter the gym, the way you talk to people, the way you lift weights, how much and how often, the way you brush your teeth. (13:24) Like, when you look at old pictures of yourself, do you not go, wow, I wasn't that dialed. (13:30) I wasn't that dialed in.(13:31) I wasn't that impressive. (13:33) I wasn't that, like, yeah, I guess it's just a mantra. (13:46) Remember we used to drink bangs?(13:49) I would never do that now. (13:51) You have to improve everything. (13:53) Yeah, you have to.(13:54) You have to. (13:55) That's why when you watch old movies, they're awful. (13:59) Because things improve.(14:00) You have to improve everything all the time. (14:02) You have to. (14:03) The way you take photographs, the way you do social media, the way you write, the way you read, the way that you speak.

Kevin Palmieri

(14:13) Is this, it's obvious and it's not as, I don't think for most people it's every day. (14:24) I think for most people it's like, I don't know, maybe when you hit a certain, when you hit a certain boundary that you have to get over, it's like, all right, I really need to start improving stuff. (14:36) You know?(14:37) Yeah. (14:39) Yeah. (14:40) When there's a necessity.(14:42) For you, improvement is a necessity. (14:45) 24-7, 365, always. (14:46) For me, when I come up against something I don't know how to do, that's the necessity.(14:49) Then I learn the thing.

Alan Lazaros

(14:51) Yeah, your goals are always on the other side of improving something. (14:53) I think that's why when we talked on yesterday's episode, I reviewed some of it and it's like, wow, I'm a fucking weirdo. (15:02) But what part was it that I didn't like?(15:12) What did we talk about yesterday on yesterday's episode again?

Kevin Palmieri

(15:14) Stopped looking for the negative. (15:17) So we talked about the disrespect and all that.

Alan Lazaros

(15:21) I think the reason why that's so hard for me to agree with you is because the negative is what needs to improve. (15:31) Like, you're not going to- I agree.

Kevin Palmieri

(15:32) Yeah, yeah, I agree. (15:33) Yeah. (15:34) But if you look at that first, that's all, it's the same for me with this of like, if you're just starting something, you're not, right?(15:46) If you're watching or listening this, if you're watching this or listening to this podcast, you're somebody who's obviously into self-improvement and you're into personal development, you're into leveling up, all that. (15:53) Of course. (15:54) Of course.(15:55) But I think we get lost in the, well, I read that book and I didn't learn anything new. (16:01) It's like, you're, you might not learn anything, quote unquote, new, but you might learn a remix of something that you haven't been doing in a new way that might get you from 81 to 82. (16:12) Yeah, of course.(16:13) But as you get deeper in this, very rarely are you going to go from, you're not going to jump five levels like you did in the beginning. (16:22) Yeah, no, not at all. (16:23) Fitness is the best example.(16:24) If you've never weight trained, you can go weight train suboptimally, eat suboptimally, and you will get better results than somebody because you just are new to it. (16:34) It's called a new hashtag newbie gains. (16:36) It's like a thing.

Alan Lazaros

(16:37) Yeah. (16:38) It's like easier to double your business when you did 10K that you're before.

Kevin Palmieri

(16:41) A hundred percent. (16:41) A hundred percent.

Alan Lazaros

(16:42) You can get to 20K.

Kevin Palmieri

(16:43) It's really hard for me to make giant leaps in fitness because number one, I'm older. (16:47) Number two, my body's used. (16:48) And again, you still can, there's ways, but it's not the same as it was when I was younger.

Alan Lazaros

(16:53) And you think that people are getting a lot. (16:59) They want to see more of that progress. (17:01) Like I think so.(17:01) Okay. (17:01) This morning I took a insane productivity session 12. (17:06) There's 12 sessions.(17:07) I've watched that at least 50 times every day. (17:11) I mean, I don't want to say every day because I don't think that's true. (17:15) It's, it's, I mean, every week for sure.(17:17) What'd you learn today? (17:18) What'd you learn today that you didn't know before? (17:19) Absolutely nothing new.(17:20) Absolutely. (17:20) Not a single fucking thing. (17:23) But I'm going to improve the thing.(17:27) I already know that I'm not doing well enough. (17:29) Yeah. (17:29) Yeah.(17:29) Like I actually think we need to be reminded more than we need to learn. (17:33) Like, no, the compound effect, I could say it a thousand times. (17:37) Nobody's doing it optimally.(17:38) There isn't like, um, that's like saying the thing about learning that I think pisses me off is you go to the gym for the rest of your life. (17:49) You don't go to the gym to get a result. (17:52) You go to the gym to become someone who, like, I think there's a, there's a misbelief in this.(17:59) Financial freedom is one of the biggest ones. (18:01) You know how you get financial freedom? (18:03) You work every day.(18:06) You'll be financially free if you work every day and earn money every day and spend less. (18:11) That's like, that's financial freedom. (18:14) Financial freedom is your income exceeds your expenses every fucking month.(18:19) Technically every day, right? (18:20) Like, is there like this idea of financial freedom where you like don't have to work?

Kevin Palmieri

(18:26) I think I, yeah, I think one of the common mistakes is aiming for the end game.

Alan Lazaros

(18:32) There is no end game. (18:34) This is all game theory stuff. (18:35) And I know this isn't where you want it to go, but this is where I have to go, which is like, there's never going to be a time where you don't need to continue lifting.

Kevin Palmieri

(18:43) Can you imagine? (18:44) You know, I know, but of course. (18:46) That's what we need to talk about.(18:47) Like, you're never going to stop. (18:50) But as long, you have to have the understanding that you're also never going to get as much as you did in the beginning. (18:57) That, I think that's the paradox is, yeah, you got to do it forever.(19:00) And you see less and less results, but more and more impact over time. (19:05) It doesn't feel like I'm making almost any progress. (19:08) But the compound effect is working.(19:10) But the compound effect is working. (19:12) The day-to-day is invisible.

Alan Lazaros

(19:13) The year-over-year is very, very noticeable.

Kevin Palmieri

(19:16) And you understand how to move the needle. (19:20) If you're somebody out there who is a world-class chef, you know the difference. (19:26) If you add a half a cup of flour versus a full cup, you know the difference.(19:30) It makes a drastic difference. (19:33) I might not notice at all. (19:35) But you have what the Inuits have X amount of.(19:41) Snow, 12. (19:42) Yeah. (19:42) What's the word?(19:44) Distinctions. (19:44) Distinctions. (19:45) You have more distinctions as you do it for longer.(19:47) And those distinctions become multipliers. (19:50) But it doesn't seem like anything's happening. (19:53) That is my, I know way more about business than I did in the beginning.(19:57) Way more. (19:58) But it doesn't seem like it even does anything. (20:00) But it does so much at the same time.(20:03) But it doesn't feel like it. (20:04) In the beginning, it feels like it.

Alan Lazaros

(20:05) So that's what your point is. (20:06) It's like you have to do it regardless of whether or not it feels like anything's happening. (20:10) Because in the beginning.(20:11) There's no noticeable difference with me taking insane productivity this morning.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:14) In the beginning, there is that. (20:17) When you go from zero habit tracking to habit tracking. (20:20) Congrats.(20:21) You just 80 percented. (20:23) Awesome. (20:24) Now you switch from one habit to another.(20:26) You're probably not going to feel it. (20:28) Really? (20:28) And then maybe like six months later, you will.(20:30) Like, oh, that's really starting to pay off.

Alan Lazaros

(20:32) Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:33) And then it's just that cycle forever. (20:35) And then the better you get, the harder it is to get better. (20:38) Agreed.(20:39) That. (20:40) Yeah. (20:41) That's what I want to land.(20:42) We got to go in one minute.

Alan Lazaros

(20:47) The if nothing landed from what I've said, they improve everything every day is it needs to be a. (20:58) If you want your life to improve, you have to improve and you don't just improve you, you improve everything you do. (21:04) Like, can you imagine me writing an email and having it be garbage?(21:09) I don't write garbage emails. (21:10) It's because I'm me. (21:12) Like, but but when I was 12, I probably would have.(21:16) I didn't even have an email address. (21:17) Between me at 12 and me at 37, a 12 year old writes a garbage email. (21:22) Like, I don't I don't let myself do anything that isn't to my standard.(21:26) Like your standards are who you are. (21:28) We're going to do an episode on that at some point. (21:30) But that the commitment to constant and never ending improvement.(21:32) If you thought that was cute or dumb or whatever, it's like that is like everything. (21:36) Your life can't get better consistently without you improving everything all the time. (21:42) Hopefully your hair is improving.(21:44) Hopefully your longevity is improving. (21:45) Hopefully your nutrition is improving. (21:47) What caffeine source is improving.(21:49) And your water intake is improving. (21:51) And your workouts are improving. (21:52) And your intimacy is improving.(21:54) And your relationships are improving. (21:57) Your ability to speak and write and train and coach and podcast is improving. (22:00) You can't have a great life without improving every day.(22:04) That's not a thing. (22:05) It's not. (22:06) Unless you have a very narrow thing you're good at.(22:08) And you're really improving in that one thing. (22:10) And then that pays for everything else. (22:12) But then your life's a nightmare outside of that.(22:13) And a lot of these actors that have horrible lives outside of their one thing. (22:19) Nobody wants that. (22:21) I don't envy those people.(22:24) What's enviable is getting a little better every single second of every single day. (22:29) And your life just compounds. (22:31) It gets really good.(22:32) But you're right. (22:32) On the day-to-day it feels like nothing's really happening.

Kevin Palmieri

(22:35) All right. (22:35) Cool. (22:36) All right.(22:36) We gotta hop. (22:36) We gotta hop. (22:37) If you're looking for coaching, reach out to Alan.(22:38) If you're looking for a group of amazing people, Next Level Nation. (22:40) Link will be in the show notes for both of those things. (22:42) As always, we love you.(22:43) We appreciate you. (22:43) Grateful for each and every one of you. (22:45) And if you are as committed as you say you are to getting to the next level, make sure you tune in tomorrow.(22:48) Because we'll be here every single day to help you get there. (22:51) Keep leveling up to reach your full potential.

Alan Lazaros

(22:53) Next Level Nation.

Kevin Palmieri

(22:55) Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. (22:59) We love connecting with the Next Level family.

Alan Lazaros

(23:01) We mean it when we say family. (23:03) If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. (23:07) Everything you need to get ahold of us is in the show notes.(23:10) Thank you again.

Kevin Palmieri

(23:11) And we will talk to you tomorrow.