Don’t Get Good At Justifying Lack Of Effort (2428)

In this episode of Next Level University, hosts Kevin Palmieri and Alan Lazaros challenge the mindset that turns “good enough” into an excuse for low standards. Average effort can sound strategic when it is really feedback avoidance, weak tracking, and comfort dressed up as self-awareness.

They break down why discipline, accountability, and honest measurement matter in fitness, finances, habits, and long-term growth. This episode is not about perfection. It is about noticing where your standards have slipped and refusing to build an identity around excuses. Press play before “good enough” starts making decisions for you.

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Show notes:
(3:31) Success doesn’t transfer
(7:29) How your environment shapes your standards
(10:48) When excuses become part of your identity
(14:06) Why feedback creates real accountability
(18:11) Tracking what you want to control
(19:27) Knowing when to trust logic or emotion
(22:30) Outro

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Transcript

Kevin Palmieri

(0:00) No matter what you say, you can't get me to believe that you're in a room of millionaires and they are all so aware of fitness that they know how to just get good enough, that they just know how to get in good enough shape so it's not detrimental to their health. (0:21) And if they wanted to, they could really dial it in. (0:25) You can't get me to believe that.(0:26) I feel that's a cop-out. (0:28) I feel like that's a cope, as the kids say, and I think that is just conveniently justifying lack of effort and making it seem like it is a strategy.

Alan Lazaros

(0:39) When good enough is never enough, you'll always have enough is a quote from Greg Plitt. (0:46) He's a motivational fitness guy that I used to listen to before my workouts and I believe that to be true. (0:52) When good enough is never enough, you'll always have enough.(0:54) Welcome to Next Level University.

Kevin Palmieri

(0:58) I'm your host, Kevin Palmieri. (0:59) And I'm your co-host, Alan Lazarus. (1:03) At NLU, we believe in a heart-driven but no BS approach to holistic self-improvement for dream chasers.

Alan Lazaros

(1:09) Our goal with every episode is to help you level up your life, love, health, and wealth.

Kevin Palmieri

(1:16) We bring you a new episode every single day on topics like confidence, self-belief, self-worth, self-awareness, relationships, boundaries, consistency, habits, and defining your own unique version of success.

Alan Lazaros

(1:31) Self-improvement, in your pocket, every day, from anywhere, completely free. (1:38) Welcome to Next Level University.

Kevin Palmieri

(1:44) Next Level Nation today for episode number 2428, Don't Get Good at Justifying Lack of Effort. (1:51) Alright, so from time to time, I will see, I don't know, it's kind of like a quote card pop up on Facebook. (1:59) And now more than ever, Facebook's trying to get you to see people that you don't see, so you'll see a bunch of random stuff.(2:04) And one of the ones I saw was, it was definitely for entrepreneurs and or finance professionals. (2:12) And it was a really good hook. (2:14) It was like, this truly blew my mind or something, and the whole post was, I was in a room of 25 millionaires last week.(2:22) It's like, first of all, no you weren't, probably. (2:25) But okay, maybe you were. (2:27) Maybe you were, right?(2:28) Maybe you were. (2:30) And I was in a room of 25 millionaires the other day, and there was this lesson that jumped off the page to me that I couldn't ignore. (2:37) Everybody in the room was in okay shape.(2:40) Nobody was terribly out of shape. (2:42) Nobody was in really good shape. (2:44) High level entrepreneurs like this understand fitness so well that they can optimize to be just average.(2:51) What? (2:52) What do you mean? (2:53) What do you mean?(2:54) What were they selling? (2:55) They weren't selling anything. (2:58) To their credit.

Alan Lazaros

(2:59) Well, they were eventually. (3:00) Yeah, you got to go down the rabbit hole somewhere. (3:03) This is free, but you click on this, and then this is kind of free.(3:06) What a cop out that is.

Kevin Palmieri

(3:09) I feel like that's... (3:10) What do you mean? (3:12) What if they're just not lazy enough to not get out of shape though?(3:20) Like, what do you mean? (3:22) That doesn't make any sense to me. (3:24) It doesn't make any...(3:25) I can't even... (3:26) I can't even fathom that. (3:28) I feel like that is such an excuse.(3:30) There's such a justification.

Alan Lazaros

(3:31) No, the truth is, they were more focused on finance than they were on fitness.

Kevin Palmieri

(3:35) But his thing was, but they're so dialed in though, that they're not actually out of shape. (3:39) Like, they figured out how to game the system. (3:41) They're still like in average shape.(3:44) That's what I'm saying. (3:46) But I think we're in this very strange time where there's two things.

Alan Lazaros

(3:50) I think they're probably around people that are in average shape, and you become the people you surround yourself with unconsciously. (3:58) And in corporate, I remember when I first got into fitness, when I was in corporate, and I was around a lot of very successful millionaires. (4:04) And I remember looking around going, okay, I fit in less and less and the more and more and more I focus on fitness.(4:11) And that bothered me. (4:12) It made me very sad, genuinely. (4:15) There was a couple guys I worked with that were like, dude, what happened to you?(4:18) And they were into it. (4:20) When we would have conferences, we'd all get together because they were from all over the East Coast. (4:24) But the truth of the matter is that average attracts average.(4:35) Mediocre attracts mediocre. (4:36) Ordinary attracts ordinary. (4:38) And just because someone's really, really, really extraordinary in finance does not mean they're really extraordinary in fitness.(4:44) As a matter of fact, if we could do this and we could take all the 8.3 billion people on earth and put all the people that have the highest net worth together, I would be willing to bet the majority of them would actually be out of shape, not in shape. (4:59) It would be a statistical... (5:00) Do you think that would be lower than average or higher than average?(5:02) Well, lower, but... (5:04) Not by much. (5:05) It might be slightly higher than average.

Kevin Palmieri

(5:07) But are you going to... (5:09) What a question I'm going to ask you that you probably never would expect me. (5:12) Are you going to weigh the fact that their average age is higher, so you're going to have other average, like a high age range there?

Alan Lazaros

(5:21) Yeah. (5:21) So in this hypothetical, theoretical, statistical analysis globally, in my head, I did age groups. (5:31) So like 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s.(5:34) Majority of people that are wealthy are above 50, 60. (5:37) So I mean, compared to other 50 and 60 year olds. (5:40) Yeah.(5:40) But it's a good question. (5:42) And I think the point I'm making is like, you get what you focus on, and I don't want that to be oversimplified. (5:53) You and I interviewed someone who was a millionaire way back, and he said, well, I don't really want to track my weight.(5:58) I don't want to get too obsessed with the number. (6:00) And you and I both at the time were like, oh, you're not going to be on any stages. (6:05) That's that.(6:06) Yeah, that's that. (6:06) And again, that's fine. (6:08) That's your, and he was very wealthy, but he tracked, I said, his name was Chris.(6:12) And I said, Chris, you track your finances every day though. (6:17) He said, oh yeah, I'll never miss that. (6:18) It's like, okay, of course.(6:20) Of course. (6:20) Right. (6:21) And you and I, I'm mad at us a little bit.(6:25) We didn't have the courage to call that out. (6:27) Dude, can you imagine if we did that interview now? (6:30) I would be like, Chris, I still want people to like me though.(6:35) Seriously.

Kevin Palmieri

(6:35) That's like, I don't know. (6:37) I have had to give that up. (6:39) I understand.(6:39) I'm grateful. (6:40) I appreciate that.

Alan Lazaros

(6:40) I haven't yet. (6:41) I'm grateful you do. (6:42) I haven't yet.(6:43) I would be like, brother, what? (6:47) You can't be at the top of anything without tracking it every day. (6:52) But I wonder if he, I wonder if he wants to be.(6:54) And then he might say, I don't really care about that. (6:56) And I'd say, okay, but your wife's in way better shape than you. (6:59) And you're okay with that?

Kevin Palmieri

(6:59) For me, it's more the fact that like you're, they're essentially saying, yeah, these people are so dialed in that they know they don't have to be that dialed in fitness. (7:08) Like I don't, that can't work. (7:09) I, what do you mean?(7:11) I don't, that does, that doesn't, that goes to the conversation that we're having about minimum versus maximum. (7:17) It's like, so their minimum and their maximum are essentially the same. (7:23) Like the minimum is just like, stay here.(7:25) Maximum, we don't ever have to go above here because we just have to stay here. (7:27) That doesn't work. (7:28) I want to bring this up.

Alan Lazaros

(7:29) And I'm glad we're talking about this because anyone can look this up research belonging theory, and it's still fairly new over the last couple of decades. (7:44) Although there's definitely research that correlates, but the sum average of the five people you spend the most time with works because of the tribal nature of human beings. (7:56) So if you're a certain religion, you all have similar beliefs.(8:01) If you're a certain, what's an example, a good example would be like CrossFitters. (8:06) They all end up with the same knee sleeves, eating paleo, working out the same way, like that kind of thing. (8:11) So if you're a runner, that means something.(8:13) If you're in this neighborhood, that means something. (8:14) You don't want to be the odd one out. (8:16) And it's just tribal.(8:17) It's just in our being. (8:19) Belonging is in our being. (8:20) You even mentioned it.(8:21) I don't want to be disliked. (8:22) It's like, that's in your being. (8:23) That's actually very normal.(8:25) Overriding that is atrociously hard. (8:27) It's been hard. (8:28) But the point that I'm making, though, is I think back in the day, you and I figured out that everyone's fearful, but not of the same thing.(8:38) People are afraid of failure or success. (8:40) And this is an oversimplification because I think we're afraid of more than just that. (8:43) But everyone has like a floor and a ceiling.(8:47) You don't want to be a failure in the eyes of your peers, but you don't want to be so successful that you get ostracized. (8:56) And so you want to be at the level that your peers are at. (9:00) And that's why all of a sudden, when your friend gets a promotion, you start going, well, shit, I'm kind of at a dead end job.(9:06) And there's a term for this. (9:11) I forget what the name of the term was, but we had a woman who worked for us. (9:16) Her name was Jessie.(9:17) And she was this. (9:19) She came in and just set the standard way higher than everyone else. (9:22) And now everyone has to catch up to meet her standard.(9:26) And so people would get either, they'd either be like pumped that they could level up or they'd be upset with her. (9:31) Basically. (9:32) It's like, why are you making us all look bad?(9:33) Right? (9:34) It's like, well, you weren't doing your fucking job before. (9:36) I'm not joking.(9:36) I'm not saying this about NLU necessarily, but there was some cases with that. (9:40) The point is, is when you raise the standard, some people react very positively and some people react very negatively. (9:46) The majority react negatively, statistically speaking.(9:50) But all of us, the person who did that quote, most likely they're just around a lot of people that aren't that into fitness.

Kevin Palmieri

(9:59) Yeah. (9:59) But in that, wouldn't you expect a group like that to be one where people are motivated by the outlier? (10:07) In the group, let's say there's 25 millionaires.

Alan Lazaros

(10:17) I don't know. (10:18) You've been around a bunch of millionaires. (10:19) Did you see them in particularly good shape?(10:22) No, that's not a thing. (10:24) Yeah. (10:24) But, but if I was in a group of 25, I would never say that was by choice or like by strategic.

Kevin Palmieri

(10:31) No, no, it's not.

Alan Lazaros

(10:32) It's obviously not. (10:32) It's just unconscious belonging, which is my point. (10:34) But I'm, I'm willing to bet that post is going to get a lot of love and it's going to influence many people to say, yeah, because they're going to, that's going to be their opportunity to be okay with being out of shape.(10:46) That's exact. (10:46) That's my point.

Kevin Palmieri

(10:48) They, they, people are getting really good at justifying lack of effort. (10:51) I was with somebody a month ago and this person is not into the gym at all. (10:57) Like they are not anti-gym, but like part of, it's part of their identity and personality and reputation to not be in shape.(11:04) And they, they're like, they're like joking about it. (11:07) They're like, oh, my days, my days of exercise behind me, I'm not going to do that. (11:10) And they're like, laughed about it.(11:11) It's like your justification of your lack of effort is going to kill you.

Alan Lazaros

(11:15) Literally, unfortunately that, uh, I'm glad we're talking about this again, the limiting belief piece. (11:21) Let's talk about this. (11:23) Why does that happen?(11:26) Why does that happen? (11:28) Because they'd rather, do you think that person really just doesn't care?

Kevin Palmieri

(11:35) No, they, they care deeply. (11:36) They just don't have, they don't either have the courage or the belief, or they're not, they're not ready to face all the feedback. (11:44) We, we knew somebody, we knew somebody who they, when they got to a certain weight, they started wearing sweatpants because there was no feedback.(11:53) They didn't have to buy a bigger size jeans that, that.

Alan Lazaros

(11:57) I was on with someone earlier, a client, and he's like, I actually have an O-ring. (12:01) You think I should start wearing it? (12:04) And I said, yes.(12:06) And he's like, well, I noticed when I wore it, I kind of felt worse about myself. (12:10) I said, that's the fucking point. (12:13) Feedback always makes you feel bad about yourself.(12:16) Always.

Kevin Palmieri

(12:17) Especially at the end.

Alan Lazaros

(12:18) Weighing yourself is supposed to make you feel bad about yourself. (12:20) So you fucking do something about it.

Kevin Palmieri

(12:21) Especially at the end. (12:23) That's the thing.

Alan Lazaros

(12:23) Of course.

Kevin Palmieri

(12:24) If you avoid the feedback, you, no matter what, you're going to get feedback. (12:27) You either get it little by little by little by little, or you get it all at once at the end. (12:30) And I think that's, that's what happens.(12:32) And that's, I think people get re, and again, myself included, I think we get really good at justifying things. (12:38) The closer we get to not tragedy, that's too heavy, but like massive pain.

Alan Lazaros

(12:42) You and I don't let each other get away with that shit anymore. (12:44) I asked you off air to be harder. (12:46) Like, tell me what you really think quicker because it's so important.(12:52) You care enough to tell me. (12:55) And if I tell you to fuck yourself, it's fine. (12:57) It's all good.

Kevin Palmieri

(12:58) You, but you also haven't made an identity out of saying you don't care. (13:04) That's a piece too. (13:05) Like imagine I, for some reason we love, I think like as a society, we love watching people self-destruct for whatever reason.(13:12) I don't know what it is. (13:13) Charlie Sheen's a great example. (13:15) He was just, and people were fucking loving it.

Alan Lazaros

(13:18) Like, Oh my goodness. (13:20) This is awesome. (13:20) Lindsay Lohan.(13:21) You can keep going.

Kevin Palmieri

(13:22) People love watching people self-destruct. (13:25) I have no idea why. (13:27) I don't know.(13:28) But I think same, but I think for a lot of people, they, if you had the identity of like, ah, dude, I don't care. (13:34) I'm just a fuck up. (13:35) I don't care about any of that.(13:36) Don't even, don't even, I don't care. (13:37) None of that bothers me. (13:38) It's like nobody's going to give you the feedback.(13:41) No way.

Alan Lazaros

(13:42) And that, that is true. (13:44) It might be a way to not get feedback. (13:46) I think it is.(13:47) I've done that before. (13:48) Yeah, for sure. (13:49) Way back, right?

Kevin Palmieri

(13:51) Yep. (13:52) Smokers do that. (13:53) My mom used to do that.(13:53) I'm going to die of something. (13:54) Might as well be cancer. (13:55) It's like, Oh, that's, Oh, I don't, that's, I mean, one in one is, I know one in one is two.(14:00) That is a fucking reach mom. (14:01) That is a fucking dream. (14:02) And she is, she has since quit.(14:04) So she hasn't spoken in six years or something. (14:06) I don't know how long.

Alan Lazaros

(14:06) I'm going to make this as constructive as possible. (14:11) And I was being playful with telling Kev to have off. (14:13) I, I, when you get feedback, and I said this earlier to that client, he's wearing it now, by the way, he pulled it out on the call, put it on.(14:24) I was like, nice, nice, perfect. (14:26) You had it there the whole time. (14:28) You just don't want the feedback.(14:29) What? (14:29) You don't want to find out you get bad sleep. (14:32) Well, that'll make me feel bad.(14:34) I know, but it'll also get you the necessity you need to figure it the fuck out and swearing too much on this episode. (14:42) And, uh, speaking of feedback, but I said, every time you measure something, I have 33 clients, all measuring, all of you are measuring. (14:52) You should either be pumped or pissed off.(14:55) I got on the scale yesterday. (14:57) Okay. (14:58) 204.4. Oh, not bad. (15:02) My refeed. (15:03) I thought for sure it was going to be 208. (15:05) Honestly, I was 199.6 at the end of the 10 pound and 10 week challenge. (15:09) And I've been eaten up a fucking storm. (15:11) I've been loving it. (15:12) Uh, and I thought for sure it'd be like 206.(15:15) The low end I thought would be like 205, the high end. (15:18) I thought 210, 204 pumped. (15:21) Awesome.(15:22) Okay. (15:23) But if it was 207, it'd be like, all right, all right, all right. (15:27) It's time to fucking.(15:29) Okay. (15:29) That is constructive. (15:32) That is so constructive.(15:34) Now we've talked about this in the past. (15:36) When is it not constructive?

Kevin Palmieri

(15:38) Dude, it's coming for you, no matter what do you, I, that is one time I understand though, why people don't want to do something every day. (15:47) I know it seems like you're getting more feedback every day than you actually are in a way the trend line matters.

Alan Lazaros

(15:55) I was on with a client yesterday and she said, I thought you aren't supposed to do that. (15:59) I know you're listening to by the way. (16:01) And I said, no, I mean, you're not supposed to do that if you're overly focused on the number.(16:07) And this person, uh, has had weight challenges. (16:10) And I said, we just want the data. (16:13) I just want to track a trend line.(16:15) I want to be able to see the trend line. (16:17) When I say trend line, I don't know.

Kevin Palmieri

(16:21) I can't explain it really. (16:23) I guess I can, but not really data on a graph over time.

Alan Lazaros

(16:28) There's a slope of the trend line. (16:30) It's either up or down, up into the writer or down at the right with weight. (16:35) You usually want it down into the right.(16:36) If you're trying to lose weight up into the right, if you're trying to build muscle, uh, everything is based on a trend line. (16:41) I think I care about trajectory more than current position, always future over present. (16:45) Always.(16:45) We're going to do an episode on that, uh, goals versus values and how to integrate them. (16:49) But like right now, if you are earning more than you spend, even if you're in the hole, your future is brighter. (16:59) And if you're spending more than you earn, even if you're a millionaire, you're on your way down.(17:04) So your future is darker. (17:06) You can't overcome these principles, these fundamental principles. (17:11) You can't get past them.(17:16) And so the point there that you were trying to make is should you weigh yourself every day? (17:22) And it depends on how much you overreact to the data.

Kevin Palmieri

(17:29) Well, if you wait seven days and the number is drastically different, you might stop completely. (17:36) Like that's a piece of it. (17:38) It's hard to with like certain things like, I don't know, some, sometimes you have large expenses that come out.(17:47) It's like if you track it, your, your mortgage is three grand and you will look at that and it's like, Oh my God, I'm broke. (17:52) Like I understand that. (17:54) I can't, you parse through that.(17:57) Not always in time. (17:59) I think you can, but yeah, you got to just track the data. (18:01) The weight things easier for you and I, because of, well, I'll speak for me.(18:06) It's easier for me because of fitness. (18:07) And I understand, like it doesn't mean anything. (18:09) I eat a lot of salt.

Alan Lazaros

(18:11) The start of taking back control of something is tracking it, but you're not going to track it if you feel out of control. (18:18) It is very hard for me to get people to track some people with no problem, but some people it's been really hard to get them to track. (18:26) And I think it's because they're so afraid of the feedback.(18:28) I have one client who lost some money in the stock market and she's like, well, I don't, I don't really want to rediversify because then that means I lost money. (18:37) And it's like, well, you already did. (18:39) And you're going to lose more if you don't fucking do it now.(18:41) Like, and I know that I make it sound so easy. (18:45) Like, I'm sorry if you have an emotional reaction and I know you're probably listening to you by the way. (18:48) Like, yeah, I'm sorry.(18:50) You're right. (18:51) It's that's really hard. (18:52) And I don't fucking care.(18:54) You need to rediversify. (18:55) You're going to keep losing more money. (18:57) Like it.

Kevin Palmieri

(18:59) Well, what we're talking about essentially is, is overcoming emotion with logic. (19:04) It's an emotional response to a degree. (19:06) I think the try to make it logical that all these people are just, they're in decent shape because they decided to be like, that's like you're trying to logic something, but like with finances, I'm still working through that.(19:17) Like tracking my own finances, like emotionally, it feels like I'm losing when logically I know I'm not, but emotionally on the day to day it does. (19:25) So I have to overcome that for sure.

Alan Lazaros

(19:27) That is so good. (19:29) And we will do an episode on that. (19:31) We've done many episodes on that, but like, which one do you choose?(19:34) You gotta, you gotta choose.

Kevin Palmieri

(19:37) Well, that's why measuring is so important because, but it's not in certain things because in weight logically it says the scale is going up emotionally. (19:45) You have to understand that it's not. (19:47) That's the fucked up part is sometimes you have to listen to the emotion because the logic is saying you're, you gained five pounds.(19:55) You didn't, you had a salty meal and you drank a lot of water. (19:58) So you have to override, you almost have to override logic and emotion in that part. (20:03) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(20:03) Maybe we don't have to process when to trust logic and when to trust emotion. (20:06) I, I have a client who said he's going to be selling his company and he's like, what should I do to prep for the meeting? (20:15) And I, and I said, uh, he's like, do you think I should show them the finances yet?(20:20) And I said, it depends. (20:22) I think bring them in your briefcase, have them there, but first feel the vibes. (20:28) And I told him, I always say this, trust your brain in business and your gut with people.(20:35) Do not trust your gut with people, uh, with business. (20:38) Dude, I used to say this back in engineering school. (20:40) I used to say, everyone says, follow your heart.(20:42) Don't forget to listen to your fucking brain. (20:44) For sure. (20:45) How do you know when to listen to your brain versus your heart?(20:48) Do you want to do that for next episode? (20:49) We haven't chosen. (20:51) Absolutely.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:51) We already have one chosen though. (20:53) Well, do it after that one. (20:56) Okay.(20:56) I'll put it on the list.

Alan Lazaros

(20:57) Appreciate it.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:59) All right. (21:01) This is good stuff though.

Alan Lazaros

(21:02) When to listen to your brain versus your heart. (21:04) Anytime.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:04) Especially when sometimes they're both kind of wrong. (21:10) I think with fitness particularly. (21:13) They're not both wrong.(21:14) Your brain is telling you, yeah, but your brain, your ability to, to trust your brain is based on how well your brain's calibrated for the thing. (21:22) Agreed.

Alan Lazaros

(21:22) We'll do an episode on it. (21:23) I see a graph where it's, do you trust your brain or your heart? (21:27) Or sometimes you're both are in alignment with Emilia heart and brain.(21:32) We're both on board. (21:33) It's like, this is logical and definitely the play and emotionally abso-fucking-lutely right. (21:38) But in the past, sometimes it was like heart.(21:41) Yes. (21:41) Brain. (21:42) Hell no.(21:43) And other times it was brain. (21:44) Yes. (21:44) And heart was like, I don't know.(21:46) I don't think I'm in it. (21:47) So I think that'll be a good episode. (21:49) That will be a good episode.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:50) Cool. (21:50) All right. (21:51) If you want to get out of the delusion of justifying things that are not helping you be more successful and you're really focused and you really mean it, you want to be more next level, reach out to Alan for coaching.(22:01) Alan will help you with this. (22:02) And I know he's hardcore for sure, but he will make sure he does it to the right degree that you need. (22:06) He's way more hardcore on me than most likely he's going to be on you.(22:09) Unless you have more self-belief than I do. (22:10) And if you do shout out to you. (22:12) And if you're looking to be more accountable, when it comes to fitness, we have the next level fitness accountability group.(22:16) We're in there every single day. (22:17) People are doing amazing things, tracking calories and exercises and all that happy jazz. (22:22) If you're looking for a group who is going to be there every single day, just like this podcast is next level fitness accountability group is for you reach out to Alan and or myself directly.(22:30) As always, we love you. (22:31) We appreciate you grateful for each and every one of you. (22:33) And if you are as committed as you say you are to getting to the next level, make sure you tune in tomorrow because we will be here every single day to help you get there.(22:39) Keep leveling up to reach your full potential.

Alan Lazaros

(22:42) Next elimination.

Kevin Palmieri

(22:43) Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. (22:48) We love connecting with the next level family.

Alan Lazaros

(22:50) We mean it when we say family. (22:52) If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. (22:56) Everything you need to get ahold of us is in the show notes.(22:59) Thank you again, and we will talk to you tomorrow.