Goals Don't Work Without This (2439)

Measure the goal, master the growth. In today’s episode, Kevin and Alan get clear on why vague goals rarely lead to real change. Wanting to feel more confident, aligned, or motivated matters, but without a metric, it is hard to know whether you are actually improving or just hoping you are. Drawing from coaching clients, the Next Level Podcast Accelerator, and their years of building NLU, they separate vision from goals, habits from metrics, and emotion from evidence.

This episode brings clarity to goal-setting, consistency, accountability, and the kind of self-awareness that turns intention into proof. If your goals sound strong but keep breaking down in execution, this one will sharpen the target. Press play before your next “goal” starts freelancing as a personality trait.

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Show notes:
(3:03) What makes a goal real
(7:32) Goals, metrics, habits, and tasks
(9:37) Measuring what actually moves progress
(12:25) Turning vision into daily action
(18:39) Why small actions compound over time
(19:43) How measurement builds real belief
(22:42) Outro

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Transcript

Kevin Palmieri

(0:00) Big lesson from working with people within our Next Level Podcast Accelerator group, (0:07) a lot of people, and if you're hearing this, I don't mean this negatively, this is a constructive (0:12) idea and a constructive episode, a lot of people are struggling with the fact that (0:17) when you set goals, a feeling goal, if your result is a feeling, I want you to feel better, (0:24) I want you to feel more confident, I want you to feel more aligned, whatever it is, (0:26) that isn't really a good goal because it is nearly impossible to measure.

Alan Lazaros

(0:33) Every goal you set needs to have a metric that indicates whether or not you are making progress. (0:39) The problem with that is when you set a goal with a deadline, the end of Q2 is in 42 days, you immediately start to measure and it hurts, you feel bad, you feel like you're off track because you are, and so a lot of people keep it vague so that they can feel good in the moment at the expense of the goal.

Kevin Palmieri

(0:58) Welcome to Next Level University, I'm your host, Kevin Palmieri, and I'm your co-host, Alan Lazaros. (1:06) At NLU, we believe in a heart-driven but no BS approach to holistic self-improvement for dream chasers.

Alan Lazaros

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Kevin Palmieri

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Alan Lazaros

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Kevin Palmieri

(1:41) Welcome to Next Level University. (1:47) Next Level Nation, today for episode number 2439, goals don't work unless they are measurable. (1:53) A lot of people, when they are setting goals, the ultimate goal is to get to a place where I'm different than I am today.(2:02) Love it, that is phase one, or I have a different result than I currently have. (2:06) Great, awesome. (2:07) But any time you hear, well, I want to be more confident, I want to feel more this, you consider those goals?(2:15) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(2:16) We have to define what a goal actually is. (2:19) Let's start with that. (2:21) Well, I want you to tell your story, I don't want to keep interrupting you.(2:23) No, no, you're good, you're good. (2:25) The beginning of these episodes have always been, I'm trying better, trying better, trying more, to get to the heart of the matter. (2:32) I feel like for a little while there, more me than you, but we went off on tons of tangents, and while they were fun and definitely some good distinctions came of it, I feel like I know that I need to stay back in the heart of it.

Kevin Palmieri

(2:46) I definitely go off on tangents for sure.

Alan Lazaros

(2:48) So yeah, some of your stories, they're funny though. (2:53) So particularly the ones about your past dating life, those are my favorite. (2:57) Yeah, those are painful.(2:59) But anyways, so what is a goal? (3:03) And I don't mean necessarily like, I mean, we'll look it up, but what is your definition of a goal? (3:08) Because mine, I don't consider it a goal unless it's measurable anymore.

Kevin Palmieri

(3:13) Oh man, what a simple slash extremely confusing question. (3:21) A desired outcome, unintentionally desired outcome that somebody plans on putting effort to accomplish.

Alan Lazaros

(3:31) Nice, good. (3:33) A goal is something, and again, this is Chat GPT, right? (3:36) Fast answer.(3:37) A goal is something you want to achieve or accomplish in the future. (3:40) It gives direction and purpose to your actions. (3:42) Cool.(3:44) In simple terms, a goal is a target you work toward.

Kevin Palmieri

(3:46) Okay. (3:48) I was going to say target, but then I was like, well, the implications of that are you can see where you land on it. (3:54) And I don't think a lot of people do that in the beginning.

Alan Lazaros

(3:58) We talked about this in group coaching last night, which is a lot of the things people want in life, you've heard me say it before, are byproducts. (4:08) I was talking to you earlier about running and how my cardio is better my sleep is better. (4:16) My hormones are better.(4:17) My sex life is better. (4:18) My everything is better, but my goal wasn't, hey, I want to have a better sex life. (4:25) My goal with Emilia, by the way, just Emilia, but you understand the point is though, is that wasn't the goal.(4:34) I'm always asking this question. (4:36) What's the one thing that could change everything? (4:40) And you don't have to do this.(4:41) This is just my little thing. (4:43) That was Brandon's thing that I stole. (4:45) Brandon did a mile a day every day for, I don't know, 1200 days or something like that.(4:50) He's still exercising and he has that streak going. (4:52) You got to let me know brother, but he stopped running a mile a day every day. (4:56) So it was like 1200 days.(4:58) And I was like, for years, genuinely years of me coaching him. (5:02) I was like, I think I'm fucking jealous. (5:05) Am I jealous?(5:07) Cause that sounds like the best fucking idea ever. (5:09) You work on your mindset. (5:10) You take time for yourself every day and you work on your cardio.(5:15) And then in the gym, you can just focus entirely on strength and not worry at all about cardio. (5:18) That sounds fucking awesome. (5:21) So now that I'm doing it, my goal was to run a mile a day and do miles for mindset, get my mindset strong.(5:27) The byproducts are what people want. (5:30) Who doesn't want better cardiovascular health, wake up feeling amazing, better sleep, better sex life, better, better, better, better, better, better heart rate, variability, lowest heart rate, VO two max. (5:40) All these things are getting better.(5:45) The things we want in life are a byproduct of a goal. (5:48) And I think that's why it's so hard to reverse engineer things because you have to choose the target that has nothing to do with what you want the byproducts. (5:56) So I said this to you earlier, I said this verbatim to Kev growing this company, we'll pay for everything else.(6:03) Just focus on growing this company. (6:04) Okay. (6:05) What does that mean?(6:05) Focus on growing your department. (6:06) Okay. (6:07) What does that mean?(6:07) You got to get more and more and more micro down to what does Kevin need to be fucking doing? (6:13) What's the one thing that changes everything? (6:15) You growing NLPS will change everything.(6:18) Me growing one-on-one coaching will change everything. (6:20) That's easy to identify, but it no, because in the first five years we didn't really, uh, yeah, we knew money equals.

Kevin Palmieri

(6:30) We knew that. (6:31) No, I knew that money equals what opportunity, freedom, flexibility, longevity, sustainability, all of those things. (6:43) Yes.(6:43) But we didn't, you can't just jump. (6:48) Yes. (6:49) We could have accelerated that faster.(6:51) All I'm saying is like the goal was never, I don't, the goal was not to feel better as a goal. (7:01) And one of them was dollars earned. (7:03) That's all.(7:04) That's all.

Alan Lazaros

(7:04) Well, in the beginning, it was listens. (7:06) What we've tracked has changed. (7:08) And I want the listeners to think of what they're tracking, but dude, let's talk about that.(7:11) Like in year one, nine years ago, 2017, what did we track? (7:15) We tracked listens, just listens, probably just listens.

Kevin Palmieri

(7:19) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(7:19) And then we made sure we did an episode a week and I was tracking, I would have to get my notebooks. (7:26) I was tracking some habits for sure. (7:28) But like the metric, and I want us to make this as clear as possible.(7:32) A goal is something you want to accomplish in the future. (7:37) Something clear and specific and measurable. (7:39) A metric is something you track along the way.(7:43) So 10 pounds in 10 weeks, that's a goal. (7:47) The metric is weighing yourself daily. (7:50) The habit is exercising daily.(7:54) That's confusing for a lot of people. (7:57) And then a task is one, getting a new rice cooker so that you can hit your calories. (8:03) That's one of the things that I've learned doing this work every day, coaching every day, peak performance tracking every day.(8:11) I have become wildly jaded is probably the wrong word. (8:17) I have a blind spot now where I have no clue that other people aren't tracking things. (8:28) And so when we start the next level podcast, we celebrate it.(8:30) We have everybody in a dashboard. (8:31) Everybody starts tracking habits and we pick one goal and one metric under each goal, three goals and three metrics, three goals and three metrics. (8:37) And I do this all day, every day.(8:40) So I forget. (8:42) And I was on with our CPA yesterday and she was like, well, your time's more valuable than I was like, listen, I appreciate it. (8:51) Let's stick to the tax shit, you know, because yeah, I know.(8:56) Uh, I know you want to do my bookkeeping. (8:57) That's totally fine. (8:58) I, you're probably gonna, that's great.(9:00) Like you don't gotta teach me that. (9:01) Stop with that. (9:02) Let's just focus on the tax stuff.(9:03) My point of this is goals, metrics, habits, tasks. (9:11) Nobody really knows the difference between those. (9:14) Not nobody, but they're, they're very blurry and well, let's focus.

Kevin Palmieri

(9:19) Okay. (9:20) Goals, metrics, habits. (9:22) Focus on those for now.

Alan Lazaros

(9:25) Goal is a target in the future where feeling good as a by-product or fulfillment, because a lot of times feeling good is not going to happen until you hit the goal. (9:36) Right. (9:37) Okay.(9:37) So timeline and target in the future. (9:39) Good metric is the measurement along the way that indicates if you're on track or off track, the habit is the thing you do daily. (9:49) Okay.

Kevin Palmieri

(9:50) To achieve the goal. (9:53) Okay. (9:54) One of the hard things about being a very good partner is if what is defined as being a good partner by your partner is not your natural tendency, it's very easy to forget.

Alan Lazaros

(10:11) Yeah.

Kevin Palmieri

(10:11) Yeah. (10:12) And the reason is because it's not natural to you. (10:15) So you have to find a way to measure it, but you can't measure.(10:17) I was a good partner. (10:19) You have to have a concrete thing.

Alan Lazaros

(10:20) Yeah.

Kevin Palmieri

(10:20) We, I have something called a proactive thoughtfulness that I measure. (10:27) Give us an example. (10:29) Um, I bought just randomly.(10:32) I bought Taryn a nice little necklace just randomly that you keep on your desk. (10:36) Well, no, it's, it's a, it's gotta get returned. (10:38) Cause she was like allergic to it.(10:39) It was a whole frigging thing. (10:40) Unfortunately. (10:41) Damn.(10:42) So I bought her, maybe not the best example. (10:44) No, no. (10:44) I bought her three other ones.(10:45) I bought her three other ones to make up for the fact that that one wasn't it. (10:48) But I am not naturally, trust me. (10:52) Hey, my money, son, it's my money now, baby.

Alan Lazaros

(10:58) That's not what I was judging.

Kevin Palmieri

(11:00) What was judging?

Alan Lazaros

(11:01) I was, I was laughing because that's an L man. (11:04) It's like, I got you this. (11:05) No, no, but it was into anaphylactic shock.

Kevin Palmieri

(11:08) Yeah. (11:08) Yeah. (11:08) She's like, I'm breaking out in a rash.(11:11) Damn. (11:11) But no, no, it was still, it was still a cheap ass shit. (11:15) Still a positive.

Alan Lazaros

(11:16) My boss is knockoff silver.

Kevin Palmieri

(11:18) I need a raise, but me measuring just because I feel like I'm doing better does not mean I'm doing better. (11:27) Yeah. (11:27) There needs to be something where I can measure it.(11:30) And then what is it? (11:32) Tangible. (11:32) Tangible.(11:33) You gotta make it tangible. (11:34) There's gotta be this podcast more tangible. (11:35) There's gotta be a metric.(11:37) And one of the reasons that having a metric AKA measurement is so important is when you get to the end of 90 days and you say, I feel like I crushed it. (11:46) Then you go back and you did three out of 90 days. (11:49) You did not crush it.(11:50) Actually, you did not crush it. (11:52) And the reason you did not accomplish the goal is not because you didn't feel like you were making progress. (11:57) It's because you weren't actually doing the things that move the needle.(12:00) The habit is what you do every day. (12:02) I'm gonna need you to take it fucking easy. (12:03) The habit is what you do every day.(12:05) The metric is a measurement of you doing the habit. (12:09) And then the goal is a result of you doing the habit long enough and then measuring it. (12:13) Correct?(12:14) Okay. (12:15) So yeah. (12:16) Oh boy.

Alan Lazaros

(12:17) But your goal is to have a, be a magnificent partner and that's a fucking vague ass goal. (12:25) A better goal would be, I want to do 90 days of proactive thoughtfulness. (12:29) Well, so that's, but that goal came from wanting to be a better partner.

Kevin Palmieri

(12:33) Yeah. (12:34) So let me call that a vision. (12:36) You can call it a vision.(12:36) No, let me, let me clarify. (12:38) I want to be a better partner. (12:39) How, how can I be a better partner?(12:42) My partner values this. (12:44) Cool. (12:45) I'm going to do that every day.(12:47) Yeah. (12:47) Nice. (12:48) Right.(12:48) That, but the way, okay.

Alan Lazaros

(12:51) So I would call that a vision.

Kevin Palmieri

(12:54) Yeah. (12:55) But that's how people set the goal. (12:57) I know.(12:58) They don't wake up and say, you know what? (13:00) I think what I want to do is I want to do proactive thoughtfulness every day for 90 days. (13:05) I think it usually comes from the other end.(13:06) I'm getting there. (13:07) Oh yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(13:08) You wake up and you have a vision, an idea of, of the life you want.

Kevin Palmieri

(13:15) No, no. (13:16) I think it usually comes from the relationship you want. (13:18) That for me came from pain, lack of me doing the things that move the needle.(13:24) Okay.

Alan Lazaros

(13:24) You wake up after, uh, and so, so imagine hypothetically, there was a night where Taryn was like, dude, that ain't fuck. (13:35) Right. (13:36) Yeah.(13:36) This is, I don't feel like you care, whatever. (13:38) Again, whatever. (13:39) Um, this is hypothetical.(13:41) Kevin did not tell me any of this. (13:42) Nope. (13:42) Uh, and then the next morning you wake up and go, Oh fuck.(13:46) That's fair. (13:47) It's a fair assessment. (13:48) And then you go, now you have a vision, a vision to get out of pain.(13:52) Yes. (13:53) Vision of not being a fuck up. (13:55) Right.(13:55) Awesome. (13:56) Okay. (13:56) Nice.(13:56) He's with me. (13:57) Good. (13:57) There's your vision.(13:58) Now you make a goal. (13:59) The goal is for the next 90 days or 42 days because Q2 ends. (14:04) So I do quarters, but for the next 12 weeks, 90 days, I prefer days.(14:08) Cause I think days are more tangible, but for the next 90 days, I'm going to do proactive thoughtfulness every day. (14:14) Now the that's the goal. (14:17) 90 days of proactive thoughtfulness.(14:20) What are you going to measure? (14:22) How many times you do the habit? (14:23) How many times you do something that was proactively thoughtful.(14:26) Now this means you have to define what proactive thoughtfulness means. (14:29) Like putting rice in the rice cooker for her might not fucking count. (14:33) Like you have to have some standards around this.(14:36) Like obviously the necklace counts, even though it was a fucking L L's happen. (14:41) Yeah. (14:42) Um, but the measurement is actually how many times out of the 90 days you did it or how many times in a row you did it or whatever the, the habit is the doing.(14:53) So the habit is the doing the metric is the thing you're measuring, which is how many times in a row you've done it or how many times out of the 90 days you've done it. (15:00) And the goal is 90 days. (15:02) So you might not hit the goal.(15:03) Let's say you did 70 out of 90 days. (15:05) The M the metric is 70 divided by 90, whatever that percentage is. (15:11) That's what you hit.(15:12) That's what you measured. (15:12) Okay. (15:14) You didn't hit your goal, but you did get to your vision.(15:18) Probably the vision of a better relationship. (15:21) And I think that, I don't know, I guess I am starting to learn why that achievement is, is a thing that is needed, but I don't think anyone explains why. (15:32) Like you can't have a magnificent relationship without goals, even if they're unconscious.(15:38) Imagine if I was just like, I'm just going to fucking show up. (15:42) I think a lot of it is unconscious for people agreed, but you, you can fucking, you can change your life so drastically when you get clarity on those different parts of the equation and then actually intentionally track. (15:56) I bought a stopwatch right here for, I'm tracking the amount of time that I'm doing my one thing when I'm on coaching, which I'm not going to click because this is podcasting, but it's helping me.(16:06) I'm trying to see how much I can get on the clock every day because that's my most valuable use of my time.

Kevin Palmieri

(16:14) Let me ask you a question. (16:16) You ever, um, you know how like when people are raising money, they have the, uh, I don't know. (16:21) It's like a thermometer, but it's like, we start at the bottom and every time we earn X amount of dollars, we fill it in.(16:27) I think that's a really good way to think about it best.

Alan Lazaros

(16:30) So the vision is GoFundMe has a little, that tracker, you should have that. (16:35) Everyone should have that for their life.

Kevin Palmieri

(16:37) There you go. (16:38) That, that, and there's a reason it's used because that helps psychologically. (16:43) It's like, Oh, it's moving the needle.

Alan Lazaros

(16:44) Progress is a big part of the dopaminergic system that makes you feel good.

Kevin Palmieri

(16:52) How I'm not blanket statement, but not blanket statement.

Alan Lazaros

(16:58) I don't know. (16:59) They might not be a good answer to this back when you were aimless, like your life sucked and it's because you were aimless. (17:08) If you look at Kim's face on YouTube, I'm so grateful that we can be so honest because the truth is my life sucked too, man.(17:13) Right. (17:14) I had the wrong goals. (17:15) You had no, no fucking goals.

Kevin Palmieri

(17:16) I had some goals, but they were Vegas.

Alan Lazaros

(17:18) Yeah. (17:19) Be jacked. (17:20) Be jacked.(17:21) Awesome. (17:21) Done. (17:22) Now what?(17:23) It's not a good goal. (17:24) Stay jacked. (17:25) What does that even mean?(17:27) Jack, that's not a good goal. (17:30) Done. (17:31) Okay.(17:31) Now what?

Kevin Palmieri

(17:33) More jacked. (17:34) If I was more money, I see why this is so hard. (17:39) I do.(17:40) Because yeah, the goal is what you're looking to complete, but you'd never complete the goal in one fell swoop. (17:46) It is a, just a large, okay. (17:50) In this, you're trying to raise a million dollars.(17:52) You're not going to raise a million dollars once. (17:54) It's not, it doesn't work that way. (17:55) You're going to raise like a hundred and then it's going to be a thousand or whatever, whatever the number is.(17:59) And you got to do it every day. (18:01) You got to do it every day for X amount of days. (18:03) And that's, it is, it's, it is way more complicated than I think anybody makes it seem.

Alan Lazaros

(18:09) If I could sit down with every listener and show them, we do this in my, I know we got to go. (18:16) I do this with some clients. (18:18) Some of you are listening.(18:20) A projection, a decade projection. (18:23) So with one of my clients, oh boy, we literally, every time he makes an additional $200 or whatever it is, it shows him the implications on the decade. (18:35) It shows him how much more he makes in a decade with that one day.(18:39) One of the reasons why we don't reach our potential, the probably the biggest reason is because we don't understand the long-term implications of our short-term decisions. (18:51) Like one mile does nothing. (18:53) It doesn't do anything.(18:55) 73 miles. (18:56) It has changed my fucking life. (18:58) It's changed my relationship.(18:59) It's been amazing. (19:01) Way more than I thought, obviously, which is why I'm so pumped. (19:03) Like weight training every day I thought was going to change my life.(19:06) It didn't change shit. (19:07) I'm kidding. (19:07) It has been really good.(19:09) But the mile is like, are you kidding me? (19:10) Oh my God. (19:11) I feel like I'm fucking 22 again.(19:14) But one mile won't do shit. (19:17) And so we don't understand. (19:19) It's not the one mile.(19:21) It's like the one mile won't do anything, but one mile every day needs to be taken that seriously because it will change everything. (19:28) And it's just a metaphor. (19:29) You don't have to run a mile.(19:30) It's the compound effect of daily improvements over time that just, it is the most important principle. (19:37) There's nothing more important than daily incremental improvement towards a specific goal.

Kevin Palmieri

(19:43) It's got to be measurable. (19:44) Yeah. (19:45) It's got to be measurable based on, based on this conversation that, that to wrap it up, it builds belief too.(19:51) When you measure for sure. (19:52) Or it crumbles your belief and you have to reset the goal and then build from there. (19:56) But it's, yeah, but it's almost impossible.(19:58) It's very hard to build actual real sustainable belief if you're not measuring it.

Alan Lazaros

(20:01) Yeah. (20:02) Imagine at school if they didn't have grades.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:04) Just show up. (20:05) Oh, that would be awesome.

Alan Lazaros

(20:06) No, it wouldn't be awesome personally. (20:08) Because you would have nothing to indicate progress. (20:11) I didn't.(20:12) What about UFC? (20:13) Imagine they didn't track anything. (20:15) No stats.(20:16) How would you even know who the best fighter was? (20:18) You wouldn't. (20:19) You wouldn't.(20:19) Yeah. (20:21) Metrics create meaning.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:24) I don't like that because in relationships, like, I don't think it actually does, but because meaning is different in relationships. (20:30) We've already had this argument. (20:31) We're not gonna do it again.(20:33) The takeaway.

Alan Lazaros

(20:34) No, I attract the product of thoughtfulness.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:36) That doesn't. (20:37) Not meaningful? (20:38) No, it is, but it doesn't create.(20:41) You don't, I don't think you have to have measurement to have meaning. (20:44) Agreed.

Alan Lazaros

(20:45) But it does. (20:48) Yeah. (20:48) No.(20:50) Even if it's subjective, squishy measurements, you do. (20:53) Like, how does, how do you know if you're in love? (20:55) You're measuring something in your head.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:57) Yeah. (20:58) But, but, but what I'm saying is it's not a, it's not a number.

Alan Lazaros

(21:03) It is. (21:04) You just don't articulate it as a number, which is why we should have an argument. (21:07) You don't fucking tell me what I think.(21:09) No, I don't mean you. (21:11) I mean. (21:12) Everyone?(21:13) People. (21:13) Yeah. (21:14) Yeah.(21:14) But I am one. (21:15) I'm a person. (21:15) When Emilia and I first met, which was actually six years ago, and she is six years younger.(21:19) I've confirmed that 1994 to 1988. (21:23) I got that wrong. (21:23) I don't know why it was seven in my head.(21:25) But anyways, she said relationships are numbers. (21:31) And now that we. (21:32) Yes.(21:33) Yes. (21:33) Okay. (21:33) But the numbers are I know that, but feelings have a, you can measure feelings.(21:41) You can measure feelings just because you don't, doesn't mean you, okay. (21:45) Do you feel good today? (21:46) You're doing some sort of a measurement, a gauge.(21:50) It's just, it's not as objective as I'm a six out of 10 today headed up at a decent rate. (21:56) Like compared to yesterday, compared to yesterday. (21:58) Exactly.(21:59) So we are measuring all the time. (22:01) I think one of the main issues in human life, human condition is we measure horribly. (22:06) We just don't met.(22:07) Like, it's like, oh, I don't, I feel sad today. (22:10) It's like, okay. (22:11) I of course, absolutely.(22:13) Yeah. (22:13) Compared to yesterday, but like not the saddest you've ever been, you've been through worse. (22:17) And, and so, and then you compare to the wrong people.(22:20) You're comparing the highlight reel to your real life, the whole nine. (22:23) So.

Kevin Palmieri

(22:23) All right. (22:23) Now we've got a good measurement where I've measured that this episode has gone on a little bit too long based on the amount of time that we have. (22:29) If you're looking to make sure you measure what matters, reach out to Alan for coaching.(22:32) He's going to help you with this. (22:33) Not only can he help you reverse engineer what you need to measure, but he will help you stay accountable. (22:37) And one of the best things to measure is fitness progress.(22:39) Next level of fitness accountability group, reach out to Alan and or myself. (22:42) We'll let you in as always. (22:43) We love you.(22:43) We appreciate you grateful for each and every one of you. (22:46) And if you are as committed as you say you are to get into the next level, make sure you tune in tomorrow because we will be here every single day to help you get there. (22:51) Keep leveling up to reach your full potential.(22:54) Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. (23:00) We love connecting with the Next Level family.

Alan Lazaros

(23:02) We mean it when we say family. (23:04) If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. (23:08) Everything you need to get a hold of us is in the show notes.(23:11) Thank you again.

Kevin Palmieri

(23:12) And we will talk to you tomorrow.