4 Steps To Mastery (2459)

What if mastery is not about doing more, but making the right things harder? In today’s episode, Kevin and Alan challenge the idea that consistency alone creates growth. Real mastery requires deliberate challenge, honest self-awareness, and the discipline to raise the standard once something gets easy.

Kevin shares how a few days away from the gym made life feel easier, while Alan connects mastery to deep practice, fitness, coaching, podcasting, and long-term identity. They explain why time alone does not create skill, why comfort kills progress, and why your future 80% can outperform your current 100%. Listen in, then make one rep harder on purpose. Comfort has been overpaid.

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Show notes:
(3:32) Why reps must get harder
(7:49) Looking good versus getting better
(9:44) Deep practice over empty repetition
(13:31) Building readiness through challenge
(18:03) Tying self-esteem to mastery
(22:08) Outro

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Transcript

Kevin Palmieri

(0:00) This might sound a little arrogant, I don't mean it that way, please do not villainize me, but I haven't gone to the gym in a couple days, and my life is tremendously easy right now. (0:10) And I imagine what it would be like if I just stopped going to the gym, and stopped exercising, and gained two hours a day, like it would really feel like I was playing on easy mode. (0:20) And I think one of the reasons is for the last nine years, essentially, I've been playing on challenging mode, trying to do everything and trying to do everything well.(0:28) And then maybe the most important part, after you do it well, trying to do it better than well, and then just rinse and repeat that forever.

Alan Lazaros

(0:34) That's mastery. (0:36) If you do hard things by choice consistently, and make them harder and harder and harder and harder and harder over time, eventually you become the type of person who makes hard things look easy. (0:47) Welcome to Next Level University.

Kevin Palmieri

(0:50) I'm your host, Kevin Palmieri. (0:52) And I'm your co-host, Alan Lazaros. (0:55) At NLU, we believe in a heart-driven but no BS approach to holistic self-improvement for dream chasers.

Alan Lazaros

(1:01) Our goal with every episode is to help you level up your life, love, health, and wealth.

Kevin Palmieri

(1:08) We bring you a new episode every single day on topics like confidence, self-belief, self-worth, self-awareness, relationships, boundaries, consistency, habits, and defining your own unique version of success.

Alan Lazaros

(1:24) Self-improvement, in your pocket, every day, from anywhere, completely free. (1:30) Welcome to Next Level University.

Kevin Palmieri

(1:36) Next Level Nation, today for episode number 2459, Four Steps to Mastery. (1:42) So I am still recording from the kitchen. (1:44) Next two episodes will be from the kitchen.(1:45) I think those will be the last two. (1:47) But I am watching my grandmother, right? (1:52) Somebody's got to be here to watch memes.(1:55) And I'm sleeping on the couch, which is terrible. (2:00) I ran a 50 sleep score, a 50 sleep score, and like a 55, three days in a row. (2:05) That might be the worst three-day run rate of sleep I've gotten in years.(2:09) Perspective, man. (2:09) But it is what it is. (2:11) It is what it is.(2:12) So Mima comes out at like 530, six in the morning, wakes me up. (2:15) I make sure she's got her pills, you know, get her a little breakfast, whatever she needs. (2:19) A little brekkie.(2:19) And then I, what? (2:21) A little brekkie with Mima. (2:22) A little brekkie with Mima, yeah.(2:23) And then I just go sit down at the table and start working. (2:26) And it's really easy. (2:29) It's just like, okay, time for work.(2:31) There's no pre-workout. (2:34) There's no mobility. (2:35) There's no weight training.(2:36) There's no driving. (2:37) I don't leave here. (2:38) It's, it really is easy.(2:41) Comparatively, right? (2:42) Comparatively. (2:42) I'm not saying it would be easy for you.(2:43) That's not the point. (2:45) And we were talking about how one of the keys to getting really good at something is when you get good at it, you make it harder. (2:53) So you're not as good at it, essentially.(2:55) Or maybe so you don't win by default. (2:58) And I said, Alan, I said, well, we have the mastery formula that we've talked about. (3:04) Prep, rep, reflect, perfect.(3:07) Prep, prepare for the thing like we did for this episode. (3:10) Rep, do the thing. (3:11) Hopefully do it well.(3:12) I'm not doing it well. (3:13) Reflect, look back. (3:15) What went well?(3:16) What didn't? (3:17) Perfect. (3:17) Next time before you do it, make sure you fix those problems.(3:21) And then you essentially, I appreciate it. (3:24) And then you essentially said, well, that's the equation, but we're missing an essential piece of the equation in there. (3:31) So go ahead.

Alan Lazaros

(3:32) Yeah, we are missing a piece. (3:36) We've never said this before. (3:38) The rep part has to be harder and harder and harder over time.(3:44) It has to be. (3:45) Not every time. (3:47) I mean, you should try to make it harder.(3:49) The gym is the best metaphor for life, I think. (3:53) Weighted chin-ups. (3:54) Why?(3:54) Why do that? (3:55) Weighted vest. (3:56) Why do that?(4:00) Because regular chin-ups feel so easy now. (4:04) When I'm doing them with a 25 pound weight, it's awful. (4:08) It's awful.(4:09) It just makes you look like a weak pansy. (4:14) I barely get five, right? (4:17) With a 25, if I was fresh, I could probably get 10.(4:20) But that's like fresh. (4:22) Weighted with a 25 pound belt. (4:26) Regular ones, I could probably hammer out 18 of those things.(4:29) And it wouldn't even be that fucking hard. (4:32) That's the goal. (4:34) Your brain and body adapt so well.(4:37) I think people underestimate that. (4:39) The brain and body adapt so well. (4:41) It's unbelievable.(4:44) I've been running. (4:45) I know I keep talking about it. (4:47) It's just relevant to this metaphor.(4:51) 93 days in a row, one mile a day. (4:55) I ran with Amelia the other day. (4:56) She has not been running every day.(4:58) She's been exercising every day, but she hasn't been running. (5:02) Already, I'm taller. (5:04) I'm more fit for running.(5:05) She's more fit for weight training. (5:07) All good. (5:09) When we run together, it's noticeable.(5:11) It's very noticeable that I've been running and that she hasn't. (5:15) My point of this, I don't care about anything but the point, the principle. (5:19) Your brain and body will adapt to whatever you're doing.(5:23) It will adapt to whatever you're doing. (5:25) And also, whoever said so-and-so, such-and-such is like riding a bike, I think that's the dumbest saying ever. (5:31) It's not true.(5:32) It's not true. (5:33) If I took three years off of weight training, the first time in the gym is going to be awful. (5:40) I don't think it's like riding a bike.(5:42) I don't think anything is. (5:43) I think that you're either doing it and doing it consistently and getting better and better and better at it, or you kind of suck at it. (5:48) It has been fascinating for me to see how bad I get at stuff when I let it go.(5:54) Now, one more tiny example. (5:57) Amelia cuts my hair. (6:01) I used to part my hair back in the day, remember?(6:04) Bowl cuts way back. (6:06) Yeah, this is back in the Backstreet Boys NSYNC days. (6:08) I was Nick Carter hair.(6:10) Not Nick Carter, Nick Carter hair. (6:12) And I can do a part like nobody's business right down the center. (6:15) And that thing is straight as an arrow.(6:18) And I do that in order to get it cut, right? (6:21) You put it side to side and then she cuts around the side. (6:23) So my point is, is some things are actually like that.(6:26) I couldn't believe how good I was at parting my hair. (6:28) I was like, I haven't done this since like middle school. (6:30) This is, I'm like really good at this.(6:33) So some things are like that. (6:35) Most things aren't though. (6:36) And certainly not at a high level.(6:37) You're not going to take two years off of podcasting and then be excellent. (6:42) I think that you can be above average with very little mastery, particularly if it's something you're naturally good at. (6:50) But if you want to be top 1% in something, you cannot take a long time off of mastery.

Kevin Palmieri

(6:57) I notice when I don't podcast for like three days, I get back and it just, things don't connect the way they usually do. (7:05) And that's been very hard to like, when I'm coaching people, they're like, well, how do you do certain episodes and stuff? (7:10) And it's like, I don't, I'm not a good example because I just start talking and then the pieces usually just fall into place as I'm talking.(7:15) When I'm rusty, that doesn't happen. (7:18) Right now, I wouldn't say I'm rusty. (7:20) I'm in a different spot.(7:20) So everything's different. (7:21) I can't just revert to training because my training, I don't have any training in a fucking kitchen. (7:28) I've never done this before, right?(7:30) I think this is the thing and this is one of the reasons it's hard to buy into this. (7:34) Because you want to feel better as you get better at something. (7:39) And unfortunately, the better you get, how do you, I don't think you're a good person to ask for this.

Alan Lazaros

(7:47) Let's talk about this.

Kevin Palmieri

(7:49) Sorry to interrupt you. (7:50) What was your question? (7:52) I was going to ask, how do you become okay with not looking good at the thing that you're actually really good at?

Alan Lazaros

(7:58) Yeah. (7:59) That's a better question for you because I don't have a concern with that as much as I should. (8:05) Looking good and getting better are definitely goals in conflict.(8:08) They just are. (8:10) You can get the best workout outfit. (8:12) You can put on makeup before you go.(8:13) It doesn't matter. (8:14) I'm going to look awful and actually get stronger. (8:17) You're going to look good.(8:18) It doesn't matter. (8:18) As a matter of fact, if you look good in the gym, you probably aren't getting after it.

Kevin Palmieri

(8:24) Well, then I guess this all goes back to what's the point of why you're doing what you're doing. (8:27) This episode is about mastery. (8:29) So that means getting as good as humanly possible, as good as you can get at something that's humanly possible for you.(8:39) Not to look good as good. (8:41) How do you convince someone to make it harder and harder and harder and harder? (8:48) One, eventually almost everything will be easier.(8:52) That's one. (8:53) Yeah. (8:53) Which I don't know if that really sells it.(8:55) It will feel easier. (8:57) Yeah. (8:57) It'll feel easier.(8:58) Because relatively speaking, it is easier. (9:00) Yeah. (9:01) That's one.(9:02) I think the second thing would be eventually your 80% will be better than it. (9:09) You don't even have to compare it to other people, but your 80% will be better than most people's 100%. (9:13) And it'll definitely be better than your previous 100%.(9:15) Yeah, for sure. (9:17) So you can get, it gets fun when you get to a point where you can like try things in real time, whatever that is for you. (9:23) I'm not saying speaking.(9:24) Like if you're a chef, you can do stuff and try stuff that I could never do because I don't fucking understand. (9:29) I don't have no idea what I'm doing. (9:30) I have no clue.(9:32) Skydiving. (9:33) I'm never going to go skydiving, but like what people are doing is insane. (9:36) Well, that's because they've done it so many times where it just kind of got easy to jump out of a plane, which was impossible at one point.

Alan Lazaros

(9:44) Yeah. (9:45) We're reading a book called Peak that talks about the 10,000 hour rule and essentially they talk about how the 10,000 hour rule is not as relevant as I think people think it is. (9:59) But I started tracking my 10,000 hours 11 years ago.(10:04) And on little flashcards, you remember that I'm going to travel. (10:07) I got to do my flashcard. (10:09) But the reason why is because I wanted to be the best in the world at what I do.(10:13) And, and my point of this to the listener is like, you can't just put it in 10,000 hours. (10:19) You have to put in 10,000 hours of what's called deep practice and deep practice means you're focused. (10:25) It means it's within the challenge skills, sweet spot, meaning it's beyond your comfort zone and it's harder and harder and harder every time.(10:32) It can't be so hard that you shut down, but it has to be harder than last time. (10:37) And the reason why for a short time, I started doing PRs in my thirties, I stopped doing that because of what we talked about. (10:43) But at this weight and this age, I am stronger than I've ever been at 37.(10:52) So, but at this weight, I'm not stronger than I was at 215. (10:56) When I was weighing 215, I was stronger. (10:59) I can do more chin-ups now because chin-ups get way easier when you're lighter.(11:04) It's like crazy how much easier they get. (11:06) But my point is, is like, every time I enter the gym, every time I try to do a podcast, every time I do a coaching session, every time I do anything that I'm trying to master. (11:17) And this is something that we've never made.(11:19) We didn't harp on it enough. (11:21) I am trying to make it harder. (11:23) You to the point where you were like bothered by that.(11:26) One of the reasons I know this is going to sound stupid and it was stupid. (11:29) Okay. (11:30) I'll make that clear.(11:31) One of the reasons I would wait to prep for my speeches is because I wanted to make the prep harder and I wanted to make the speech harder. (11:40) Now that is a terrible idea because I didn't understand how much perception matters. (11:47) So if you look unprepared, people assume you're not actually good at it.(11:50) When in reality, I'm actually so good at it. (11:53) I want to be able to go with very little prep. (11:57) So I know this is a little nuts, but I want to share this.(12:02) I told this to Amelia the other night, and I never would have shared this before. (12:05) I don't train to get strong. (12:08) I don't train for a marathon.(12:09) I don't train for a weight training competition. (12:11) I don't train for an event. (12:14) I told Amelia this the other night.(12:15) I said, I train every day so that I can do a marathon on a whim if I want, so that we can hike a mountain on a whim if I want, so that we can run a 5k. (12:24) We ran a 5k three days ago on a whim. (12:29) I want to train.(12:30) I don't train. (12:31) And I said this. (12:31) I don't train for a fucking 5k.(12:33) I train for life. (12:35) One of the things that I think is so cool about Navy SEALs and SEAL Team 6 and DevGuru and the most elite soldiers on planet Earth, arguably, is that they're always prepared. (12:49) They don't need perfect conditions to be prepared.(12:52) They just are, they're always cardiovascularly ready. (12:57) They're always, I love the idea of always being ready for anything. (13:03) Mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually.(13:05) Like ready for anything. (13:06) Life is coming for you, and it's coming for you big time. (13:09) And you're going to fucking fold like origami if you're not ready.(13:13) You need to be strong enough to fight back. (13:15) You need to be strong enough to defend yourself. (13:17) You need to be smart enough to get yourself out of a pinch.(13:19) You need to be smart enough to make money when you need it. (13:21) You need to be ready all the time. (13:24) So if you make practice harder than the fucking worst case scenario, you will be ready.

Kevin Palmieri

(13:31) It's gonna be a hell of a parallel here. (13:33) Quite the leap and much less risky in terms of life. (13:38) Golf.(13:40) I play with a bunch of different people, okay? (13:44) And there's types of people. (13:47) I am the type that intentionally makes it harder.(13:51) Intentionally. (13:53) I play with a kid. (13:54) Shout out to you if you're listening.(13:55) I won't say your name just because I don't know if you want me to say your name. (13:58) But shout out to you. (14:00) He makes it easier.(14:01) And I've told you this, so I'm not saying anything behind your back. (14:04) But like, why? (14:06) Terrible idea.

Alan Lazaros

(14:09) Because I don't know this kid. (14:11) So whoever you are, if you're listening, I don't know. (14:13) Did he tell you he's going to listen to the podcast?(14:15) Even if he is, I'm not trying to offend you. (14:17) Dumb idea. (14:18) Terrible idea to make it easy.

Kevin Palmieri

(14:19) Again, you know how many people tell me they're going to listen to the podcast? (14:20) Thank you, I appreciate it. (14:22) You don't have to tell me that.(14:23) No, you're not. (14:23) I don't care.

Alan Lazaros

(14:24) You'll listen to 10 minutes and turn it off because Alan's ranting.

Kevin Palmieri

(14:26) You don't have to tell me. (14:27) And if he wants to make it easier, he's definitely not listening to me. (14:30) Yeah, you don't listen to Alan.(14:32) We had a conversation the other day, and we got to the end of the round. (14:35) And I was like, yeah, I shot a 52 or whatever. (14:38) And he's like, oh, how did I beat you, man?(14:40) And I said, brother, you beat me because you didn't count the seven that you hit into the woods. (14:43) That's how you beat me. (14:45) I counted every single mistake I made.(14:48) And he said, well, I'm never going to be good enough where it matters. (14:51) And I said, that's the fucking problem. (14:53) That's the problem.(14:54) Neither am I. (14:54) I'm never going to be good enough where it matters, but I will be much better.

Alan Lazaros

(14:57) It's a principle, though.

Kevin Palmieri

(14:58) It's who you are. (14:58) 100 percent. (15:00) And the other thing is, I don't like having asterisks.(15:04) It's like, well, how did it go the other day? (15:07) Yeah, I shot 50. (15:08) I mean, I fired nine into the woods, but we don't count those.(15:12) If you only count the good shots, I shot 50. (15:14) Yeah, if you only count the good shots, I'm actually world class. (15:18) What happens when I go play with somebody that heard that and they're like, brother, I thought you were like decent.(15:26) It's like, no, no, no. (15:27) Yeah, I am. (15:27) When I hit good shots, I'm very good.(15:29) But like 70 percent of the time, I fire them into the water.

Alan Lazaros

(15:30) It's like when you play in tournaments, you play best ball. (15:33) It's like, we won the tournament. (15:34) Yeah, I was best ball three times.

Kevin Palmieri

(15:37) Hilarious long drive that didn't hammer into the wood. (15:39) But I think, again, as goofy and silly as golf is as a metaphor. (15:44) Dude, I have seen that mindset with so many people.(15:48) Yeah, trying to make things easier is a huge mistake. (15:52) I don't even think that's what that definition probably isn't the same, because I don't think they're trying to make it easier. (15:56) They're trying to feel good now.(15:59) Yeah, that. (16:00) Brother, I felt I played last weekend. (16:02) I felt terrible.(16:04) I was like, oh my God, you're fucking terrible. (16:06) You are atrocious at this. (16:08) I almost left in the middle of my round.(16:10) I swear to God, I was like, fuck this. (16:12) I'm done with golf. (16:12) I'm never playing golf again.(16:14) Then I figured out what the problem was and I improved. (16:17) And I was a pro. (16:18) I don't know.(16:20) I don't even know. (16:20) I just fixed it. (16:21) I don't know.(16:22) It's going to happen again next time I go. (16:24) One of the reasons I like golf so much is because the mental, of course, you're two holes in. (16:30) You have 16 holes to go and you're terrible and you're falling apart and you don't know why.(16:36) And you just paid $70 to play like you better figure it out. (16:40) I enjoy that. (16:42) I enjoy that.(16:42) The reason I bring that up is just because it's going to be very hard for anybody to master something they want to feel really good at all the time. (16:51) You have to take steps back in reality rather than steps forward in imagination. (16:57) I want to know.(16:59) You need to be accurate with your understanding of how good you actually are at something. (17:02) And the only way to do that is to do the thing and then accept the reality of that thing.

Alan Lazaros

(17:09) And I know, should we just do one? (17:10) Let's just finish this. (17:11) I think we can try to.(17:13) All right. (17:14) All right. (17:14) And this is my last thought.

Kevin Palmieri

(17:15) My Wi-Fi has been Jeffed here, so we don't know.

Alan Lazaros

(17:17) This is my last thought. (17:17) Yeah, you don't know that, but Kevin has dipped out of the room three times.

Kevin Palmieri

(17:21) And I may again.

Alan Lazaros

(17:21) I think it was two. (17:23) But I don't count that other one.

Kevin Palmieri

(17:25) You don't count that other one.

Alan Lazaros

(17:25) Yeah, you don't count that. (17:27) And this is why you and I, when we talk about YouTubers who do edit their stuff, and that's fine. (17:34) If you're a YouTuber who edits your stuff, I get it.(17:36) I get it. (17:38) But you're not going to be as strong of speakers as we are.

Kevin Palmieri

(17:40) Well, that's the thing. (17:40) We probably should, but we're not going to. (17:43) And my mom said that last night.(17:45) I was like, I'm going to record in the fucking kitchen. (17:46) And she said, oh, you guys are all about authenticity. (17:48) I was like, fuck yeah.(17:49) You get it. (17:50) You know it. (17:50) You get it.(17:51) This is the kitchen. (17:52) It's the way. (17:52) I can open the...(17:53) You can't see it. (17:54) Yeah, there you go. (17:55) That's the refrigerator door right there.(17:57) I can grab a cold one.

Alan Lazaros

(18:00) So there's that.

Kevin Palmieri

(18:01) Oh my god. (18:02) Sorry I interrupted you.

Alan Lazaros

(18:03) Packaging does matter. (18:04) No, but anyway, so feel good. (18:08) This is what I told...(18:09) A client asked me this once. (18:10) She said, I don't understand why I need to feel good about myself. (18:15) Why don't you?(18:17) And she was actually asking. (18:18) It wasn't an attack. (18:19) And I said, I tie my self-esteem to two things.(18:24) One is intelligent decision making. (18:27) And number two is to the trend line of mastery. (18:32) I actually tie feeling good to making it harder.(18:38) There's a way to rewire that. (18:40) No, I don't feel good when I'm struggling to do the last pull-up with 25 pounds on my belt. (18:46) But it's I do feel good when I'm done going, you didn't cop out, man.(18:51) Good for you. (18:52) Good for you. (18:53) I try to make every workout harder.(18:55) I try to make not every run harder. (18:57) Because if I did that, I'd blow my shit out. (19:00) My knee would hurt.(19:01) Like you can't make everything harder to the point where you get injured. (19:05) But you have to make sure everything you're doing is more uphill. (19:11) A little more uphill.(19:12) Everything of value I think is uphill. (19:14) You have to challenge yourself. (19:16) You're going to get worse and worse and worse if you don't challenge yourself.(19:20) And if you really need to feel good in the moment at the expense of mastery, try to rewire that a little bit. (19:30) Because eventually, yeah, it gets to a point where you feel so much. (19:36) Doing hard things becomes second nature.(19:40) And then when you're in the gym, you're excited to put on the belt, even though you know it's going to be awful.

Kevin Palmieri

(19:47) Hard enough to grow, sustainable enough to do it again the next day.

Alan Lazaros

(19:51) Nice.

Kevin Palmieri

(19:51) That fire. (19:52) Absolutely. (19:52) It can't break you.(19:53) It can't break you. (19:54) Yeah, agreed.

Alan Lazaros

(19:55) But it has to break you for a week.

Kevin Palmieri

(19:57) Yeah, yeah, yeah. (19:57) It can't break you, but it has to break you. (19:59) It has to break you on the micro.(20:01) Like you got to get broken a little bit, right?

Alan Lazaros

(20:02) Micro failure for macro success. (20:04) Great, great concept. (20:06) Prep, rep, reflect, perfect.(20:07) Make sure the reps are a little harder each time.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:12) If you're feeling really- Everything though, right? (20:14) The prep has to be better. (20:16) Yeah, it does.(20:16) Everything has to be. (20:17) So the mastery formula has to be a trend line up and to the right. (20:22) If it's not, you're not getting better.(20:23) Yep. (20:24) Right?

Alan Lazaros

(20:25) When it gets easier- Unless you're getting better and you won't be getting better unless it's harder. (20:33) Right, right, right. (20:34) But the trend line, what you said is off though, because the trend line can go in the right direction with results without you getting better.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:45) I was saying the quality of prep, quality of rep, quality of reflect, quality of perfect. (20:51) I'm not even talking about the result.

Alan Lazaros

(20:53) Yeah, because honestly the result might get worse temporarily. (20:57) Probably will. (20:58) It will, which is why the trend line over time, you have to zoom out.(21:02) If you look at one week, it probably looks terrible. (21:05) If you look at a year though, the trend line is up and to the right, and you are getting better and better. (21:09) And that's, I think that everyone needs to trust that the long-term matters more than the short-term.(21:15) You just really have to trust that. (21:17) If we all lived to 20, none of this would apply. (21:20) It's like human beings- Well, you and I would be long gone.(21:23) Yeah, same. (21:24) I'd be 17 years ago. (21:26) Yeah.(21:26) And, but that's not the way this game is set up. (21:30) The game of life is set up right now where the average life expectancy is 80, depending on where you live. (21:33) So you have to play a longer game.(21:35) You have to. (21:38) You should, and it's more optimal. (21:40) And that's a whole nother discussion.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:41) That is a whole nother discussion. (21:43) Okay, if you're looking to find somebody to help you reverse engineer and lengthen the timeline with which you see life, reach out to Alan. (21:49) He can help you with that.(21:50) That's what a coach does. (21:51) They help illuminate things that you can't see yet. (21:54) And a lot of times it's creating a longer time perspective.(21:56) That's been tremendously helpful for me. (21:57) So reach out to Alan. (21:58) Next Level Fitness Accountability Group.(22:00) I'm not doing fitness, but I'm still posting in there every day because that is what a community will do. (22:04) I want to check in every day, even though I'm out here jeffing. (22:06) So reach out to Alan and or I, and we will let you in.(22:09) As always, we love you, appreciate you, grateful for each and every one of you. (22:12) If you are as committed as you say you are to getting to the next level, make sure you tune in tomorrow because we will be here every single day to help you get there.

Alan Lazaros

(22:17) Keep leveling up to reach your full potential. (22:21) Next Level Nation.

Kevin Palmieri

(22:22) Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. (22:26) We love connecting with the Next Level family.

Alan Lazaros

(22:29) We mean it when we say family. (22:31) If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. (22:34) Everything you need to get ahold of us is in the show notes.(22:38) Thank you again, and we will talk to you tomorrow.