An Important Lesson From Toxic Masculinity (2471)

Strength needs standards. In today’s episode, Kevin and Alan clarify the difference between toxic masculinity and healthy masculine leadership. They unpack why confidence, tenacity, and directness can support success, but only when they are grounded in humility, self-awareness, values, and respect.

Drawing from coaching conversations, client patterns, and years of personal development work, they challenge the idea that strength requires arrogance or aggression. Real strength is not about getting yours at everyone else’s expense. It is about staying steadfast without becoming selfish, telling the truth without using it as a weapon, and building a better life without making the room smaller. Do not follow the loudest man in the room. Study the one who does not need volume to prove strength.

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Show notes:
(2:28) Tenacity without selfishness
(4:22) Humility, courage, and vulnerability
(6:07) Strength without arrogance
(14:01) Keep the trait, lose the damage
(15:38) Values, intent, and accountability
(18:26) Why your environment matters
(19:41) Direct truth with the right intent
(21:31) Outro

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Transcript

Kevin Palmieri

(0:00) I used to wonder why people would look at somebody that was very toxic and have any ability to look up to them. (0:08) And I understand why, because there are many attributes that they have that are actually very important for success. (0:15) It's just the intention behind it and or their core values or their core beliefs that are toxic.(0:21) But there are a lot of lessons built or hidden within toxic masculinity that I think are important to talk about.

Alan Lazaros

(0:31) Timidity is detrimental to all success. (0:39) Just because you are tenacious and relentless does not mean you're toxic. (0:43) Welcome to Next Level University.

Kevin Palmieri

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Alan Lazaros

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Kevin Palmieri

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Alan Lazaros

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Kevin Palmieri

(1:26) Welcome to Next Level University. (1:32) Next Level Nation, today for episode number two thousand four hundred and seventy one, an important lesson from toxic masculinity. (1:40) We're going to start with this disclaimer.(1:42) Toxic masculinity is terrible and not good and has harmed many, many, many people and continues to harm many, many, many people. (1:48) Please give it to me.

Alan Lazaros

(1:50) Toxic masculinity is a term used in psychology, sociology, and gender studies to describe cultural expectations about manhood that encourage harmful behaviors or attitudes. (2:01) It does not mean that masculinity itself is toxic, nor that men are inherently toxic. (2:07) Yeah, so harmful behaviors or attitudes that are encouraged.(2:10) Okay. (2:11) I think of Gaston from Beauty and the Beast. (2:13) I never, it never lands because I don't remember ever seeing the movie.(2:16) When I was a lad, I ate four dozen eggs. (2:20) Is that him? (2:21) Yeah, I think it's five dozen.

Kevin Palmieri

(2:24) Sixty eggs. (2:26) Heavy. (2:27) It's a good song.(2:28) I was thinking today about this, and I was thinking how, why are there so many toxic people that are successful? (2:36) Why? (2:37) Tenacity.(2:38) That's, that's the big one. (2:39) And? (2:40) Yeah.(2:41) It comes off as confidence. (2:43) That. (2:44) There, there have been so many situations where like, you look at somebody.(2:53) If you've ever looked up to somebody because they just like have an idea, they make a decision, they just move forward extremely quickly, regardless of judgment or outcomes or whatever it is like that's tenacity. (3:02) That's, and I'm just going to keep doing it. (3:04) I'm just going to keep doing it forever, no matter what.(3:07) That is tenacity. (3:08) That's awesome. (3:09) Yeah.(3:10) But there's also oftentimes attached to that like, but fuck everybody else. (3:14) I'm going to get mine no matter what. (3:16) I'm going to take part of my tenacity is to take advantage of people.(3:20) I don't care about anybody. (3:21) I only care about my own success. (3:23) Fuck everybody else.(3:23) It's not about them. (3:24) It's about me. (3:25) I'm going to get mine.(3:27) I don't care if anybody else gets there. (3:28) That's not, that's not what we want. (3:31) You know what I mean?(3:32) You know that. (3:34) The funniest shit ever, man. (3:36) You know that, you know, that's out there.(3:37) That's that right now is if you're a young man. (3:40) Like I'm talking to you, you can't be looking up to that shit.

Alan Lazaros

(3:43) Yeah.

Kevin Palmieri

(3:44) That's bad. (3:44) These people are, that's what they show in front of the scenes. (3:48) You imagine what these people are like behind the scenes.(3:50) Yeah. (3:50) Seriously. (3:51) That's bad shit.

Alan Lazaros

(3:52) I was on with a client earlier and he went on a date last night. (3:56) He's excited. (3:57) Awesome.(3:59) Non-toxic man at all. (4:01) Huge fan. (4:01) If you're listening, what's happening.(4:03) And he said, I said, how'd you meet her? (4:05) He said, I met her on Instagram. (4:07) I said, awesome.(4:08) Same with you, Amelia. (4:08) Great. (4:10) Let me, let me take a look at your, not her, not her Instagram, but his.(4:13) I need to see what she's seen. (4:15) You know, let's do this. (4:16) I said, I coach couples.(4:17) I got you. (4:18) And I looked at his Instagram. (4:19) He was private.(4:20) And I was like, looking good, man. (4:21) Good. (4:21) Awesome.(4:21) Good. (4:22) All right. (4:22) And I said this, I said, courage, humility, courage, and vulnerability.(4:27) Humility is an accurate understanding of your own importance. (4:33) There is nothing more. (4:34) I said, how old is she?(4:35) He said 27. (4:36) I said, oh, okay, good. (4:37) So she's past the F boy phase.(4:40) Meaning she is wise enough now to know that the jock in high school who acts like he has it together, that actually is a mess is not actually attractive. (4:48) So you're good. (4:49) You're at perfect spot.(4:50) I said, uh, humility, courage, vulnerability. (4:53) Humility is an accurate understanding of your own importance. (4:56) Courage is expressing your feelings.(4:59) Vulnerability is sitting in the discomfort of after you express your feelings and you're like concerned that she thinks you're a pansy. (5:09) Okay. (5:10) If she is wise, she will love that.(5:15) Not be, uh, unattracted to it. (5:18) It's like a unicorn for the, for the women out there listening, reach out on Instagram, DM me if you believe in this, cause we do the conscious couples podcast and it's, it's been fascinating. (5:31) There is nothing more unattractive to a wise woman, not a high school girl to a wise woman than arrogance, a man who thinks he's smarter than he is.(5:44) A man who thinks he knows more than he does. (5:46) A man who thinks he's better than he is, is so fucking unattractive and unsafe. (5:52) You know, the, the, the guy who's like blasted on a snowmobile doing 90 with the girl on the back.(5:57) No, that's, that was that. (5:59) No, I don't know that. (6:00) I know you do tenacity and, uh, it's, it's not, it's stupidity.(6:05) That's it's arrogance. (6:06) It's toxicity. (6:06) Right.(6:07) And so, uh, the point of this episode is you need to be tenacious. (6:11) You don't need to be arrogant. (6:14) You need to be tenacious.(6:16) You don't need to be toxic. (6:17) You need to be tenacious. (6:18) You don't need to be disrespectful.(6:21) I like, cause that's really what it is. (6:23) These people are disrespectful. (6:24) They're very disrespectful.(6:25) I like steadfast.

Kevin Palmieri

(6:27) Yeah, that's good. (6:28) Steadfast. (6:29) Nice.(6:30) Because that's the thing is you never see, you never see the behind the scenes. (6:34) Did you watch, uh, Into the Manosphere yet? (6:36) Not yet.

Alan Lazaros

(6:37) One thing, I think, I want you to watch Ladies First. (6:40) Have you seen that movie yet? (6:41) We haven't seen it yet.(6:42) So I can't fully sell it, but it's, it's, I think it's like a play on if society was not paternal, but maternal. (6:52) I'm in. (6:53) It's like, uh, instead of explicit podcast, it's fine.(6:58) If you have kids around, just understand. (6:59) I'm going to, I'm going to say this. (7:00) So instead of like calling someone a pussy, you call them a limp dick, right?(7:06) It's basically like if you took paternalistic society and switched it to paternal would love, Taryn would love it. (7:12) It's fascinating. (7:12) Emilia's mother recommended it to us, uh, just because it's, it'll get you thinking about how fascinating.

Kevin Palmieri

(7:20) There's just so much sexism. (7:22) It's like crazy. (7:24) Yeah.(7:24) That's a conversation we've had. (7:25) It's like, well, that, that thing that you're calling them, like pushes out a baby, like brings life into the world. (7:30) It's like, that's a really good point.(7:31) That's a good point.

Alan Lazaros

(7:32) That's why I use pansy. (7:34) I respect it. (7:34) Yeah, I don't use that word anymore.(7:37) I use pansy, which hopefully is not offensive, but if it is like we will do, we look, we'll do research on it.

Kevin Palmieri

(7:43) We always do. (7:44) Our goal is to be as the least toxic humanly possible. (7:47) Like that is our most tenacious.(7:49) That is our goal. (7:50) And I think that's number one. (7:54) You have to define what that means to you.(7:58) Number two, if you ever look at somebody like who's somebody that's really tenacious, that's not toxic. (8:04) Not a real person, but like James Bond. (8:07) I feel like James Bond's toxic.(8:10) You know, like James, you don't have to sleep with every woman. (8:14) Now again, they're all interested and you know, whatever, that's fine. (8:17) Who's your favorite Bond?(8:19) Daniel Craig, right? (8:21) Pierce Brosnan, man. (8:22) I thought, I thought Daniel Craig crushed it, dude.(8:24) I think Daniel Craig did crush it. (8:26) And I think he's a world-class actor. (8:27) If you've ever seen Glass Onion, great movies, Daniel Craig plays a detective, Pierce Brosnan brother.(8:36) Pierce Brosnan. (8:37) Can't do it. (8:38) Doesn't even lift.(8:40) He doesn't neither. (8:41) Well, Daniel Craig does. (8:42) Yeah, but Pierce Brosnan's just a stud.(8:44) Like my wife would leave me tomorrow for Pierce Brosnan. (8:47) I'd be like, good for you. (8:47) Good for you.(8:49) I don't think she would since he's 70. (8:51) No, no, she still loves him. (8:52) She loves an old man.(8:53) Yeah. (8:54) So I'd be like, okay, that's, I mean, that hurts. (8:57) It stings, stings, but like, I can see it.(8:58) You guys are funny. (9:00) He was James Bond, Alan. (9:01) You know, what do you want?(9:03) Those movies were terrible. (9:04) Yeah, no, they were. (9:05) I tried to watch Goldeneye, brother.(9:07) I tried to watch Goldeneye recently on a Sunday. (9:09) I got, I swear to you, I got 15 minutes in and I was like, I can't do this. (9:12) I tried to.

Kevin Palmieri

(9:14) I can't do this.

Alan Lazaros

(9:14) The world is not enough. (9:15) No, this movie is not enough. (9:17) Yeah.(9:18) Dude, honestly, Goldeneye, the game, way better than all the films combined.

Kevin Palmieri

(9:23) Well, that I don't agree with.

Alan Lazaros

(9:25) What do you mean? (9:25) You got to go back and play that, brother. (9:27) No, no, I, at the time.(9:29) Well, yeah, at the time. (9:30) Yeah, but now. (9:30) That was the GOAT, son.(9:32) That was Land Party. (9:33) Dude, we used to have four person split screens back in the day. (9:37) Are you kidding me?

Kevin Palmieri

(9:37) I remember playing it at airport video in Menden, Massachusetts. (9:41) You know it. (9:42) Not well.(9:43) Just to run that place. (9:44) I was not good. (9:46) Speaking of arrogant.(9:47) Who's a character that's tenacious but not toxic? (9:52) Hector and Troy.

Alan Lazaros

(9:54) Eric Bam.

Kevin Palmieri

(9:55) I always use these fucking movies. (9:56) I haven't seen it so long.

Alan Lazaros

(9:58) All right, let's keep going. (9:59) Let's use, okay.

Kevin Palmieri

(10:01) Batman. (10:03) Okay. (10:04) Yeah, he sleeps with every woman he comes across, though, too.

Alan Lazaros

(10:10) Real quick. (10:11) Yeah. (10:12) You and I don't have a big Venn diagram of movies we've both seen.(10:17) You know, I've seen them all. (10:19) Okay, congratulations.

Kevin Palmieri

(10:19) I don't want to use Batman. (10:20) We're wasting time. (10:21) You like Batman more than I do.(10:22) Who's your favorite Batman? (10:27) Yeah, Christian Bale. (10:28) Got it for sure, right?(10:29) Yeah, of course. (10:29) Michael Keaton is a close second, though.

Alan Lazaros

(10:33) We have very few. (10:34) This is alarming. (10:35) For the listeners, I apologize.(10:37) We have very few films we've both seen. (10:39) Like, this is alarming. (10:41) You loved comedies.(10:42) You've seen every comedy in the game. (10:45) I've seen a lot of them. (10:46) Most of them.(10:48) Who is a non-toxic, healthy masculine? (10:51) Captain America is the GOAT. (10:55) Winter Soldier.

Kevin Palmieri

(10:56) You tell me you haven't seen that movie. (10:57) I think, is that, George St. Pierre is in that one, I think. (11:00) I don't know what you're talking about.(11:01) He's a real fighter in the real world. (11:04) Yes, I think so.

Alan Lazaros

(11:06) Winter Soldier was sick. (11:09) George St. Pierre. (11:10) Have you seen it?(11:11) Yeah, I think so. (11:12) The first scene is on a boat, on a freighter. (11:13) Look, it's been a minute, but I think I've seen it.(11:16) That movie is sick. (11:18) So good. (11:18) And Captain America is tenacious as hell and humble.

Kevin Palmieri

(11:24) George St. Pierre, in real life. (11:26) George St. Pierre. (11:27) I don't know what you're talking about.(11:28) George St. Pierre is a Canadian, French-Canadian gentleman, who... (11:32) I'm on it. (11:33) We can look things up now.(11:35) He was a trash man. (11:36) He got made fun of for most of his life. (11:38) He was extremely shy, very awkward.(11:41) Went on to become one of the greatest fighters in the history of the world. (11:45) Real quick. (11:45) Yeah.(11:47) Spelled Georges.

Alan Lazaros

(11:49) Yeah, yeah, he fights in this one. (11:52) I've seen that movie. (11:52) Yeah, he's in Winter Soldier.

Kevin Palmieri

(11:54) Yep, that's the one. (11:56) That fight scene is sick. (11:57) He's in real life.(11:58) He seems like an extremely humble person, again.

Alan Lazaros

(12:02) Known for Captain America Winter Soldier 7.7 on IMDb. (12:05) Great film. (12:07) Who else?(12:07) Is there any... (12:08) So Captain America?

Kevin Palmieri

(12:09) Superman?

Alan Lazaros

(12:10) Yeah, probably Superman. (12:14) We need... (12:15) I have a bunch of others, but they're movies you haven't seen, probably.(12:19) Throw a couple out. (12:21) Okay, the main character in Avatar. (12:23) But you gotta understand, most films are built on a transformational journey of being a victim and becoming non-toxic and transforming.(12:37) So some films are built on like, you're toxic when you're young. (12:39) Like Batman. (12:40) Like he was kind of entitled and arrogant.(12:43) He didn't realize that he grew up wealthy. (12:44) That kind of thing. (12:45) And then tragedy strikes and then he goes and finds himself and transforms.(12:50) So most movies are built on the patriarchal... (12:54) Oh, dude. (12:55) Black Panther movies?(12:56) Unbelievable.

Kevin Palmieri

(12:57) Fuck, I've never seen a single one.

Alan Lazaros

(12:59) They're so good, dude. (13:00) They're so good. (13:01) Sick.(13:02) I'm the worst, man. (13:03) Wakanda Forever was sick too. (13:06) I'm the worst.(13:07) Dude, I mean, there's no way you wouldn't enjoy them. (13:10) Again, I don't know how much people love the superhero. (13:12) And I never liked Spider-Man.

Kevin Palmieri

(13:14) I don't know why everybody likes that. (13:15) Same, man. (13:16) Yeah.(13:16) You know what it is? (13:17) And again, this is a hot take. (13:19) I think I could beat him one-on-one in a fight, straight up.(13:22) If you were... (13:23) Look, Christian Bale, I couldn't beat up. (13:25) Even if he didn't have the suit on.(13:28) No way. (13:30) You said the same thing with Gladiator 2. (13:32) You're like, what are we doing here?(13:32) I could definitely beat that man in a fight, 100%. (13:34) What are we doing here? (13:35) You don't even...(13:36) Brother, brother. (13:37) No, no, no, no. (13:39) Not a chance.(13:39) You're not winning.

Alan Lazaros

(13:40) He came right off theater, you know? (13:42) Yeah, you're not winning.

Kevin Palmieri

(13:43) You're not beating these other people. (13:45) I can't imagine. (13:47) Tobey Maguire rolls up, fist to fist hand.(13:50) There's no way you're beating...

Alan Lazaros

(13:52) No way, without the suit, you're nothing. (13:54) Kevin's judge of movie heroes is whether or not he can beat them up in real life. (13:57) Yeah, that's hilarious.

Kevin Palmieri

(13:58) All right, let's make this relevant. (14:01) I think there are many, many, many lessons. (14:04) There are many, many attributes of toxic masculinity that do benefit success.(14:09) The problem is you've got to leave the negative shit. (14:11) Tenacity is something to be looked at in a great light. (14:14) That's amazing.(14:15) Somebody who says, you know what? (14:16) I'm going to fucking make this change. (14:17) And then they just commit their lives to doing it.(14:19) They do it every day. (14:20) That's amazing. (14:20) It's the best.(14:21) That's the best. (14:22) The junk, the garbage, the baggage that comes with that. (14:26) No, but like...(14:26) How do you take... (14:31) I think you have to stay extremely in line with why you're doing it in the first place. (14:37) And I'm telling you, it is the core value of...(14:41) You know you can make your life better and not have to make everybody else's life worse in the process. (14:46) That's a thing you can do.

Alan Lazaros

(14:47) The win-win-win. (14:48) Win-win-win. (14:50) It's win for the world, win for...(14:53) We say this at NLU. (14:54) Win for the world, win for the client, win for you. (14:56) In that order.(14:58) This is a... (14:59) We get paid last.

Kevin Palmieri

(15:03) You and I? (15:04) Yeah. (15:04) Yeah, we get paid after everybody else gets paid.(15:07) We get paid. (15:08) I love that.

Alan Lazaros

(15:08) I actually get paid last. (15:09) You get paid last, yeah.

Kevin Palmieri

(15:10) Oh, I get paid moments and minutes before you. (15:13) Yeah, exactly. (15:14) But like...(15:16) That's the opposite of toxic. (15:17) Yeah. (15:18) That's called martyrdom.(15:19) Yeah, like if there's not enough money at the end of the month, we won't get paid. (15:23) 100%. (15:24) Now, again, that is a fine...(15:26) That's a whole different conversation.

Alan Lazaros

(15:28) I do think that's the opposite of toxic though, because the toxic is I get paid regardless of...

Kevin Palmieri

(15:33) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(15:33) You know, that's what toxic is.

Kevin Palmieri

(15:34) I get mine. (15:35) Yeah, I'm gonna get mine. (15:36) I'm gonna get mine no matter what.(15:38) If you have like a core value of actually helping people, I think it's that. (15:42) It's understanding the why underneath it. (15:44) That's part one.(15:45) Part two is like being... (15:47) There's three. (15:48) Part two is being in connection with your core values.(15:51) Number three is being around people who call you out when you fuck up. (15:55) The... (15:56) That.(15:57) Be around people who are positive and not toxic that will call you out on your bullshit when you're the opposite of what you said you would be. (16:05) I think...

Alan Lazaros

(16:06) I know we gotta go here, but one of the reasons I struggle to be fully my tenacious self... (16:15) Because I have some clients that say, I want you to be more of you on the show. (16:19) It's like, you don't understand.(16:20) I can't like yell at people on the mic. (16:22) And I'm not yelling at people in coaching, but I do get intense, you know, like I do. (16:31) And one of the reasons I don't like to do that on the microphone is because it comes off as toxic.(16:37) And if you don't know me, you're gonna presuppose that I'm toxic. (16:42) Because honestly, I... (16:43) Okay, here's an example.(16:43) I'll just be toxic for a second. (16:45) I'll be me, but will appear toxic. (16:48) I think you're lazy.(16:50) I think most people are lazy. (16:52) I think you need to own the fact that you're lazy before you ever get better. (16:57) You have to admit that you're lazy in order to work on it, in order to get better.(17:01) And your future will be brighter if you own it and improve. (17:04) I think I'm lazy. (17:06) I really do.(17:07) I wake up in the morning like, Alan, get the fuck going here. (17:11) What are we doing? (17:13) So that comes off toxic.

Kevin Palmieri

(17:15) When in reality, it's not anymore. (17:17) I think as you've understood... (17:20) No?(17:21) Yeah, I don't think so.

Kevin Palmieri

(17:22) No.

Kevin Palmieri

(17:26) I mean, I don't... (17:27) But I also hear that all the time. (17:29) So maybe I'm just used to it.(17:31) What would be toxic? (17:32) I don't even know if I fully get it. (17:34) I think the toxic thing starts when you're literally like...(17:38) When you're trying to... (17:41) You're positioning yourself in a place where you're better than everybody and everybody's terrible and they should get worse. (17:46) And I think it's just like when you intentionally are trying to in...(17:53) Do harm to somebody else. (17:56) To get a rise out of them. (17:58) It's like to get a rise out of...(18:00) I don't think when you're telling the truth, like I'm lazier than I need to be in order to get to my goals. (18:04) Like that's factual. (18:05) Yeah, 100%.(18:06) But if you said like, I'm the hardest worker ever of all time and I'm perfect the way I am. (18:11) And if you want to be where I am, you have to get to the point where you've looked in the mirror as I haven't understood that I'm lazy. (18:16) And then I fixed it.(18:17) I fixed it all though. (18:17) And I fixed it. (18:18) And now nobody's even deserving of my time because I'm so...(18:21) Like that type of shit. (18:23) Yeah, that's ridiculous. (18:24) It's too much.

Alan Lazaros

(18:26) You and I, one of the things that I think we've done a really good job of, I actually think I've done a good job of this. (18:31) Despite, I really usually look at where I'm sucking. (18:36) We have gotten away from toxic.(18:39) Dude, I don't hang out with anyone like that anymore. (18:43) Same. (18:44) I feel like my childhood was extremely toxic.(18:48) Extremely. (18:49) And my life got so much better when I just stopped hanging out with people like that.

Kevin Palmieri

(18:54) Like completely. (18:55) Well, you're non-toxic. (18:56) So it's easy to, not easy, but like you don't want to be around those people.(19:00) It doesn't feel right. (19:01) It feels dirty.

Alan Lazaros

(19:03) I used to, it used to be so normal. (19:07) Yeah. (19:08) I didn't understand how much bullying.(19:12) That's what toxic is. (19:13) It's you're a fucking bully. (19:15) You're not saying it because you want to help people.(19:17) You're saying it because you want to be better than. (19:19) And you want to feel good about yourself versus like, I believe in you. (19:26) And I'm going to tell you that you're being lazy because I know you're better than this.(19:31) And you know it, you know, you're lazy. (19:34) It's okay. (19:34) I fucking am lazy too.(19:36) Like let's do better versus like, I'm better than you. (19:40) I think it's the intent.

Kevin Palmieri

(19:41) I think it's the intent, but the approach matters too. (19:45) I know. (19:45) But I think I would rather somebody have the wrong approach with the right intent.(19:49) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(19:50) Then the right approach. (19:51) I think the intention, the right, the right intention with the right approach for the right result. (19:55) That's what I'm going for.(19:56) And sometimes it's hard, man. (19:58) I, this podcasting, I don't really like, uh, I, I, I do. (20:02) I just don't like this part of it because it feels so hard to tell someone without knowing their circumstances.(20:12) Right. (20:13) So we don't know, like if you're, if you just had the death of a loved one yesterday, I don't want you to wake up thinking you're fucking lazy. (20:22) Like, you know what I mean?(20:23) But if you're sitting on your ass playing video games at 8 AM, like, yeah, come on, what the fuck are we doing here? (20:28) So yeah, that's why I don't like, I don't dislike podcasting, but that's why I don't. (20:34) That's why I like coaching more.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:36) Oh, it makes sense. (20:37) That makes sense. (20:38) It makes sense.(20:38) If you're out there and you're looking for a coach, that'll give you a gentle kick in the butt behind the back. (20:42) I'll be sorry behind the scenes. (20:43) I guess your butt is behind your butt is behind your back.(20:45) Gentle. (20:46) Depending on a coach who's going to stab you in the back. (20:50) Alan's the guy.(20:51) Depending on the circumstances, he's going to stab you in the back. (20:54) Depending on the circumstances, that is key, right? (20:56) That is a, that is a nuance when it comes to this.(20:57) Like that is the benefit of a coach is they can guide you where you are in the journey, depending on how you feel at that time. (21:02) Reach out to Alan. (21:03) And if one of the things you want to do is fitness, better at fitness, next level fitness accountability group, reach out to Alan or I.(21:09) It's on WhatsApp. (21:09) Totally free. (21:10) We'll let you in 10 pounds in 10 weeks, starting on July 1st.(21:15) Community fitness. (21:16) Fuck everybody else. (21:18) I just want to post like literally funny.(21:20) It's like hilarious. (21:22) I just want to post my shirtless pictures in there.

Alan Lazaros

(21:23) Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:24) I don't care about anybody else. (21:25) Yeah, I don't care what anybody thinks.

Alan Lazaros

(21:27) Look at my body. (21:28) Yeah, you really do though. (21:29) That's why you're saying that.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:30) All right. (21:31) As always, we love you. (21:32) Appreciate you.(21:33) Grateful for each and every one of you. (21:34) If you are as committed as you say you are to getting to the next level, make sure you tune in tomorrow because we'll be here every single day to help you get there.

Alan Lazaros

(21:39) Keep leveling up to reach your full potential. (21:42) Next level nation.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:43) Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. (21:47) We love connecting with the Next Level family.

Alan Lazaros

(21:50) We mean it when we say family. (21:52) If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. (21:55) Everything you need to get ahold of us is in the show notes.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:59) Thank you again, and we will talk to you tomorrow.