Is Fitness The BEST Base For Success? (2474)

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Build the base before chasing the peak. In today’s episode, Kevin and Alan break down what actually supports long-term success before the results show up. Kevin looks at fitness as more than a physical goal. It becomes a training ground for discipline, sacrifice, consistency, self-trust, and the ability to choose discomfort on purpose. Alan brings another angle, making the case for rational thinking, better decisions, prudence, and cognitive capacity.

Together, they take a grounded look at success, performance, mentorship, and self-awareness. This episode is a reminder that the life you want cannot stand on weak patterns. Build the base, sharpen the mind, and train what success will eventually require.

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Show notes:
(3:09) How fitness builds discipline and self-trust
(5:10) Alan’s case for rational thinking
(6:37) Decision-making, prudence, and conscientiousness
(7:54) Cognitive capacity Vs. Physical capacity
(12:53) Why the brain and body both need training
(14:28) The role of mentorship and self-awareness
(19:58) The strongest combination for long-term success
(21:31) Outro

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Transcript

Kevin Palmieri

(0:00) Huge fan of mixed martial arts, less now than I've ever been, but there was always this debate about what was the best base to make a really good fighter. (0:09) What's the best base? (0:10) Is it boxing?(0:11) Is it kickboxing? (0:12) Is it Muay Thai? (0:13) For the majority of the life span, no, wrestling.(0:19) Wrestling, yes, because if you can control where the fight goes, oftentimes you can win the fight. (0:25) That was always the thing, but what's the best base for success? (0:28) That's what we're going to talk about today.

Alan Lazaros

(0:31) The pyramid, the cool part about it. (0:34) I'm going to nerd out in the opening here. (0:37) The top of the pyramid can't get higher unless the bottom gets wider.(0:42) That's exactly how success works.

Kevin Palmieri

(0:44) Welcome to Next Level University. (0:47) I'm your host, Kevin Palmieri. (0:48) And I'm your co-host, Alan Lazaros.(0:52) At NLU, we believe in a heart-driven, but no BS approach to holistic self-improvement for dream chasers.

Alan Lazaros

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Kevin Palmieri

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Alan Lazaros

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Kevin Palmieri

(1:33) Next Level Nation, today for episode number 2474, is fitness the best base for success? (1:40) Muay Thai actually is like, there have been some fighters that have made it, but Muay Thai fighters typically don't do well in mixed martial arts because they're very heavy on their feet and they're like, slower than you think.

Alan Lazaros

(1:56) So you're telling me, statistically speaking, 80% of the top fighters in the world are the best wrestlers? (2:08) Yeah. (2:09) No shit.

Kevin Palmieri

(2:10) Yeah. (2:11) Especially in the beginning, but maybe less now, but yeah. (2:15) Would the rules have changed?(2:16) No, it's just, the evolution has changed, obviously. (2:20) It's, what do you mean by that? (2:21) They're still the top wrestlers, but they've also learned stand-up.(2:26) But if you can get a fight to the ground, you can win the fight. (2:29) Every fight starts standing, but most fights end up on the ground at some point, if you're a really good wrestler.

Alan Lazaros

(2:34) What percentage of fights do you think?

Kevin Palmieri

(2:35) End up on the ground?

Alan Lazaros

(2:36) Yeah.

Kevin Palmieri

(2:36) Oh man, 75% probably?

Alan Lazaros

(2:39) Yeah, yeah, yeah. (2:40) Cool. (2:40) I love that.(2:42) That's- Stats. (2:43) If you didn't know that, then you might work on the wrong things, right?

Kevin Palmieri

(2:50) Probably.

Alan Lazaros

(2:50) So you have to work on- You gotta work on the right things. (2:53) Things. (2:54) You have to be good on the ground, good- Everywhere.(2:56) You gotta be well-rounded. (2:57) I don't know the- You gotta be well-rounded. (3:00) Yeah, but you also have to have the biggest, the best base.

Kevin Palmieri

(3:03) You have to- Well, yes, and that's what we're talking about today.

Alan Lazaros

(3:06) All about that base.

Kevin Palmieri

(3:07) All about that base. (3:08) No treble. (3:08) No treble.(3:09) I saw a video today where somebody was interviewing Alex Ramosi, and they were talking about how- They were talking about why he is so good at success. (3:22) And he said- Analytical numbers. (3:24) That, but he said, I honestly feel like I'm pretty lucky because I was into fitness since I was 16.(3:30) And I was like, all right, interesting. (3:32) Okay, same. (3:33) All right.(3:33) He's more jacked than I am. (3:35) He also is taking TRT, which is fine. (3:37) I'm not making that wrong.(3:37) I'm just saying. (3:38) I'm all natty still. (3:40) For now.(3:42) And he mentioned how he's been into fitness since he was 16. (3:47) Obviously, discipline comes with that. (3:49) Obviously, consistency comes with that.(3:51) But here's the thing that I think comes with it that not a lot of people think about. (3:54) You already have to make certain sacrifices that other people don't. (3:58) So when I was doing bodybuilding, I wasn't going to be at a barbecue most likely.(4:03) And if I was, it was going to be for a very specific amount of time. (4:07) And there was going to be, it was going to be very regimented. (4:10) I was going to have my food.(4:11) Like, I think when you, when you already have a specific goal, because how many people know they want to be successful in the way they're ultimately going to try to be successful when they're like 16? (4:26) Most people don't. (4:27) Yeah.(4:27) Agreed. (4:28) But everybody, if you're, if you know, a 16 year old out there, they probably want to get jacked. (4:33) Definitely.(4:34) They probably want to be in shape. (4:35) They probably want to attract their, their partner by taking their shirt off at the beach, whatever. (4:40) Like that's a piece of it.(4:41) And I think fitness creates skills and discipline and mindset and self-trust and all of that stuff at a very early age. (4:52) And if you do it long enough, I'm, I'm convinced fitness is the best base for success. (4:56) Maybe outside of sales.(4:59) Sales is one too. (5:00) Like if you're really good at sales and talking to people, you can definitely go a long way, but I don't know how that'll do for you holistically.

Alan Lazaros

(5:10) I, okay. (5:14) When we opened this episode and you use the wrestling metaphor for mixed martial arts, I wanted to share that fitness is the base. (5:30) I don't think it is.(5:32) Let's do it. (5:33) Okay. (5:34) I think it's, I think it's rationality.

Kevin Palmieri

(5:42) Rationality.

Alan Lazaros

(5:44) I think it's, I think it's math. (5:48) I think it's mathematics. (5:50) I can't not say this.(5:52) If you were to take, and now again, this is career success. (6:00) So only career success. (6:03) If you were to take the top 20% of career success people on planet earth, they would all be, it would be a very strong correlation of a math background.

Kevin Palmieri

(6:19) Well, what are we, what are we defining as success? (6:22) We probably should've started with that.

Alan Lazaros

(6:24) Yeah, exactly. (6:25) Right. (6:25) Because like Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger are wildly out of shape.

Kevin Palmieri

(6:28) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(6:29) And they're some of the most successful people in the world. (6:32) So it's, but why? (6:36) Math.

Kevin Palmieri

(6:36) Math. (6:37) Okay.

Alan Lazaros

(6:37) Yeah. (6:37) Well, it's, it's analytical thinking. (6:39) They're very rational.(6:40) They're very, they're hyper rational. (6:41) They, they, it's effective decision-making. (6:45) It's, it's called prudence.(6:47) Conscientiousness. (6:48) We've done this before. (6:48) It's, it's the personality test.(6:52) Hexaco tests you on 26 facets of your personality. (6:55) One of them is called conscientiousness and it's broken into four sub facets. (6:59) Prudence, diligence, organization.(7:06) Prudence is intelligent decision-making. (7:09) Diligence is work ethic. (7:13) Organization is structure and being well-kept and keeping your environment clean and spreadsheets.(7:22) And then the last one is perfectionism, which is you are very thorough. (7:25) You double-check your work. (7:26) Six sigma, three part, three defects per million transactions.(7:29) If you make three errors per million decisions, you're unbelievable. (7:34) And that's, it's very hard for me to think that fitness is the base. (7:40) When I think the base is rational thinking, intelligent decision-making.

Kevin Palmieri

(7:46) How hard do you think they, how hard do you think Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger worked? (7:52) Like physically?

Alan Lazaros

(7:54) Sure.

Kevin Palmieri

(7:54) They did.

Alan Lazaros

(7:54) That's why we need to separate cognitive labor from physical labor. (7:59) I actually did this recently with a client I was on with him yesterday. (8:03) And I said, we were trying to, I've realized that a lot of my comfort zone is my client's distress zone.(8:09) Cause there's something called eustress and distress and eustress is good. (8:13) It's like a great workout. (8:15) Distress is I'm a trauma.(8:19) This is bad. (8:20) This is panic zone. (8:21) This is, this is bad.(8:22) And so physically, I don't have him in his distress zone, but cognitively I do. (8:30) And my cognitive capabilities, I don't get overwhelmed that easily from like, like if I say two, four, eight, 16, 32, 64, like how long did it take everyone to shut off? (8:44) Right.(8:45) I, I wouldn't shut off now enough about me, Charlie Munger and Warren Buffett wouldn't shut off either cognitively. (8:52) But if we went for a run, I mean, also Charlie just passed away. (8:56) So RIP, but the, the, the metaphor stands like Kobe Bryant.(9:01) Or, or I don't want to use Kobe. (9:03) We'll use Michael Phelps or, or a Tom Brady. (9:06) I use often just as an example, cause people know him.(9:10) Tom Brady was not the best football player, the best quarterback to ever live just because he was physically capable. (9:17) He was the most mentally sound and, and he knows the playbook inside and out photographic memory. (9:22) Like he made less mistakes than any other quarterback in the history of the NFL.(9:27) And that's what Bill Belichick like shouted out in his speech. (9:30) He said, a lot of people don't know this about Tom Brady, but he made less errors than anyone else by far. (9:36) And to me, that means what better decision-making.(9:39) So, you know, the fans are like, why'd you throw the ball away again? (9:42) You know, it's like, cause you're an idiot.

Kevin Palmieri

(9:44) Like how much of that is learned versus I think in my mind, it's like fitness is wildly available to a degree where like, could I be Warren Buffett? (10:02) What is, what's the, is the, what is the likelihood? (10:05) Warren Buffett could be closer to me in fitness, or I could be closer to Warren Buffett in logic and rationality.

Alan Lazaros

(10:13) I think both could, both, neither one could happen, but both could get close. (10:18) Probably. (10:18) What do you think would be, what's the higher probability?

Kevin Palmieri

(10:20) What a weird conversation.

Alan Lazaros

(10:21) That's great. (10:22) Big fan, big fan. (10:23) This is exactly, what a weird conversation.(10:27) It's great. (10:28) Uh, fitness.

Kevin Palmieri

(10:34) I don't know, man. (10:35) No, probably not. (10:36) Warren, Warren, Warren.(10:38) Stop drinking Coke, brother. (10:41) Coke zero.

Alan Lazaros

(10:41) Great. (10:42) You're halfway there. (10:44) I think you think Warren's smarter than he is.(10:46) I don't know. (10:47) Yeah, probably. (10:49) He, he, he says you don't need any more than a 135 IQ to be very successful.(10:53) Yeah, but is that like pretty freaking high? (10:55) Yeah. (10:56) It's still pretty high.(10:59) And again, you can, this is the hard part. (11:02) IQ is not fixed. (11:04) Neither is muscle mass, right?(11:06) So, so you both build muscle mass easier than I do. (11:09) I'm fucking dead ass certain of that. (11:11) 100%.(11:12) It's very clear. (11:13) Okay. (11:14) Mother, I thought and work half as hard.

Kevin Palmieri

(11:16) And I thought you were, you were just transitioning right into I'm dead ass serious. (11:19) I'm way smarter than you. (11:20) I was going to do this.

Alan Lazaros

(11:21) Why don't you give me a little bit that I'm certain of too. (11:25) I have two certainties. (11:26) Kevin builds muscle faster than me and I'm smarter than him.

Kevin Palmieri

(11:29) That's it.

Alan Lazaros

(11:29) That's the end of episode. (11:30) There it is. (11:31) No, but uh, if you, if you worked as hard on your brain as you did on your body since 16, you would be one of the smartest people.

Kevin Palmieri

(11:40) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(11:40) Disagree, disagree. (11:42) What do you mean?

Kevin Palmieri

(11:42) What if fitness comes easier? (11:44) I'd have to work harder on my brain than I did on fitness.

Alan Lazaros

(11:50) Okay. (11:50) All right. (11:51) All right.(11:51) You're telling me. (11:54) I do want to believe this. (11:55) So this is like a hard conversation.(11:56) I want to believe you could have gone and like done. (12:01) I don't know. (12:03) When I went to my last WPI speech, there's like equations on the walls and shit.(12:07) And I was like, Oh, I missed this.

Kevin Palmieri

(12:08) Yeah, no, that ain't it.

Alan Lazaros

(12:09) There's everyone's in front of a whiteboard. (12:10) They're doing like, and Emilia was there with me. (12:15) Cause she was, uh, doing the camera and I was like, Oh, I missed this.(12:20) This is so erudite. (12:22) Everybody's got a whiteboard in front of them. (12:24) Everybody's brainstorming.(12:25) You're overhearing conversations about mathematics. (12:27) I was like, I miss this so much. (12:34) Yeah.(12:34) I think there's a part of me that wants to believe you could do that. (12:36) I don't know. (12:37) I don't know.(12:38) But I also believe that I know that the brain can like evolve a lot. (12:42) I'm just, I'm just thinking of the probability though. (12:44) Yeah, no, it's not probable, but it doesn't mean like, if you really worked on academics as hard as you did on fitness, it would be a very different world for you.(12:52) Yeah, definitely. (12:52) For sure. (12:53) Yeah.(12:53) And vice versa. (12:53) And that goes for everybody. (12:54) We're not just talking about ourselves here.(12:56) This is like definitely challenge your brain for sure.

Kevin Palmieri

(12:59) And challenge your body. (13:00) Fitness is something that people pick up long before they know, not always, but like. (13:05) But there's a lot of like meathead fitness people.(13:08) Yeah. (13:08) But I think they have the ability. (13:11) To change behavior.(13:12) To change behavior and to be disciplined and to make sacrifices and to delay gratification. (13:18) For sure. (13:19) Yeah, absolutely.(13:20) So I feel like, but then again, you could say, well, yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(13:23) But they don't have the ability necessarily to make prudent decisions. (13:27) Yeah, it's interesting. (13:28) Right.(13:28) And if we took away, if we took away you and I's masterminds, like what of your decision-making paradigm would be different? (13:39) So you're going to be, one of the things that I think is really important is that you're going to be the guy who, who achieved his goals and dreams, but like, wasn't going to be able to without mentorship and personal development. (13:57) I think that's, that's the vast majority of people though.(13:59) Agreed. (14:00) Which is why I think you're a better fit than me in some instances.

Kevin Palmieri

(14:04) Then I think fitness is the thing.

Alan Lazaros

(14:07) I think fitness is the thing. (14:08) Fitness with the right guide.

Kevin Palmieri

(14:10) Well, yeah, but you're going to have to get the right guide. (14:13) Almost no matter what, if you're out there, unless you're built like Allen and you're lead, you're teaching other people how to be successful. (14:18) Awesome.(14:18) Right. (14:19) But what percentage of people need a mentor? (14:23) All of them.

Alan Lazaros

(14:24) So there you go. (14:26) But that's the conversation we should have. (14:28) The mentor is mentorship, fitness and prudent decision-making.

Kevin Palmieri

(14:31) No, it's, I say my, if I, if you said, Hey, sell me on fitness. (14:35) Cool. (14:36) You're going to have to find a mentor.(14:38) The mentor can help you raise your awareness. (14:40) They can help to keep you accountable when they're gone for the day, for the call after whatever you're on your own. (14:46) And if you don't have discipline and if you don't have the understanding that the grit, like that piece of it, there is something to be said about the ability to suffer by choice.

Alan Lazaros

(14:57) Yeah, definitely. (14:58) We're on the same page about that. (15:00) And I don't think that's all.(15:01) But suffering by choice in alignment with. (15:06) Reverse engineering an actual goal, which fitness can teach you to, but some people are just, that's fair. (15:13) Like what if, what if Michael Phelps didn't have, I sent you that speech.(15:16) It's not a speech.

Kevin Palmieri

(15:17) It's a podcast.

Alan Lazaros

(15:17) My bad. (15:18) I had a client reach out and say, Hey, can you send me that speech? (15:20) I sent it to her.(15:21) I'm like, it's a fucking podcast. (15:23) I wish I had said that. (15:24) It's my bad.

Kevin Palmieri

(15:27) I expect it to have way more views than it did. (15:30) Like it's really, that's a real, really well done. (15:33) Isn't it?(15:33) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(15:34) Yeah. (15:34) I don't even know that podcaster. (15:36) Same.

Kevin Palmieri

(15:36) It was strong.

Alan Lazaros

(15:37) It was strong. (15:40) But like what percentage of Michael Phelps's success was his coach? (15:48) We don't know.(15:49) Yeah, I don't. (15:51) What percentage of Michael Jordan's success was, was, weren't they going to be successful? (15:56) Tim Grover?(15:58) Not just Tim Grover, but, uh, who was the best? (16:02) Kobe and Michael Jordan. (16:03) They both, uh, Phil Jackson, Phil Jackson.(16:07) Yeah. (16:07) It's very hard to figure out because everybody has this sort of chicken soup for the sole success formula and you can't take any part of it.

Kevin Palmieri

(16:18) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(16:19) In order for like, and Kobe used to say, well, I, I studied for Michael and Michael used to say, well, I studied for Magic Johnson. (16:28) Magic Johnson's like, you know, so there's this whole line of, and then all of a sudden Steph Curry comes out of here and is like, you know what? (16:34) Fuck all that.(16:35) I'm just going to be the best. (16:35) I'm going to be draining threes. (16:36) Yeah.(16:36) I'm going to be draining half court shots.

Kevin Palmieri

(16:38) If you, okay. (16:38) You had to put, you had to put your money where your mouth is and we'll get out of here because we've got another one. (16:44) You would say mathematics?(16:46) I'd say fitness.

Alan Lazaros

(16:48) I think I would make sense. (16:50) The two combined is Alex Hormozy. (16:54) He's dude, he doesn't, and maybe people know this.(16:58) I don't know. (16:59) To me, he doesn't seem that bright. (17:01) I don't mean to come off like a prick.(17:04) Uh, yeah, but he's very clearly like, there aren't a lot of people who look like Alex Hormozy who are like smart. (17:10) I'm just going to say that.

Kevin Palmieri

(17:11) I'm going to say that. (17:12) I mean, number one, there's not a lot of people that look like Alex Hormozy.

Alan Lazaros

(17:16) And he has an engineering mind. (17:18) Yeah. (17:18) He does.(17:18) I can tell it's all over him. (17:20) Right. (17:21) That's why I didn't like the interview with Tony Robbins, where Tony was like, well, where's, where's this fun, playful?(17:25) It's like, shut up. (17:26) You know, I think that got pulled.

Kevin Palmieri

(17:28) I think Hormozy pulled that interview down. (17:30) I don't think it exists anymore on YouTube. (17:32) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(17:32) I think I haven't done the research. (17:34) And the reason I didn't like it is because it's like, Tony, what, you want him to just be some playful fucking guy? (17:39) Like don't take away the thing that made him successful, but you also don't want to be locked up in this one frame of yourself either.(17:47) So just to provide context to our listeners, Tony has this thing that he does where he tries to help you free yourself from yourself. (17:55) But what he, what he doesn't realize is that like, and maybe Tony does realize this and he says it's worth it, but it just bothers me. (18:06) Alex Hormozy is, is trying to help people learn how to be successful.(18:10) And Tony is trying to get him to like, stop being so analytical all the time. (18:15) And it's like, analytical is good, Tony. (18:17) I don't understand what you're, why, if you took away analytical thinkers, like most of what we enjoy today would not exist.(18:26) And we can't all jump around Tony and just like talk for a living. (18:29) Like, and again, I respect Tony Robbins and the impact he's had on the world and the impact he's had on me. (18:34) I just, I think he's lost it in my opinion.(18:38) He's lost sight of like, Tony, all of your success is built on analytical thinkers who you stole their work from. (18:45) Like all the people you learned finance from, you know what I mean?

Kevin Palmieri

(18:50) It's just, I think it's a second half of life thing.

Alan Lazaros

(18:53) Or yeah, it's like, well, now that you're 65 and you know, at the top of the game, now you're like, Alex, don't worry so much. (18:59) It's just so annoying.

Kevin Palmieri

(19:00) People, I wonder if people regret it.

Alan Lazaros

(19:03) Probably. (19:04) I mean, I've coached Jarek, like, you know, Tony wasn't around during Jarek's, you know, beginning. (19:10) Jarek, it is what it is.

Kevin Palmieri

(19:12) I asked that. (19:12) Don't ask that. (19:13) Don't ask about parents.

Alan Lazaros

(19:15) What did you ask, dude? (19:16) Can we read that?

Kevin Palmieri

(19:17) Essentially, like you're fine. (19:20) You know, your father is one of the most prolific people in this space ever of all time. (19:25) What was it like to have that growing up?(19:30) You want to talk about devaluing a person directly to their face? (19:33) Talk about how great their parents are.

Alan Lazaros

(19:36) Kev, I think that took courage. (19:39) Dude, I liked that. (19:40) And by the way, Jarek, if you were listening, brother, it's all good.(19:44) You should have answered the question. (19:45) I thought it was a good question. (19:47) It was a great question.(19:48) You could have politely just said, you know, I'm not really interested in talking about that. (19:52) You poked a wound. (19:53) It's all good.(19:54) Jarek, you poked a wound. (19:55) I get it. (19:56) I don't get it, but I get it.

Kevin Palmieri

(19:57) I get it.

Alan Lazaros

(19:58) Yeah, I understand. (19:59) But at the same time, are you really going to fault the guy? (20:01) You waited till the end.(20:02) You built rapport. (20:03) I thought it was a great question.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:04) You know, it's our platform.

Alan Lazaros

(20:04) Everybody wants to know. (20:06) Also, it's called the Hyper Conscious Podcast. (20:08) It's not like you came on the, hey, do you want to talk nothing deep podcast?(20:13) Like it's the Hyper Conscious Podcast. (20:15) You know, I thought that took courage. (20:17) I was proud of that, man.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:18) People want to know. (20:19) I was proud of you. (20:20) Oh, I appreciate it.(20:21) I appreciate it. (20:22) Back in the day, man, what an interview, what an interesting journey it's been. (20:25) Yeah.(20:25) Remember when he came with like a whiteboard? (20:28) That was, I think that was our first Zoom interview we ever did.

Alan Lazaros

(20:34) Yeah.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:34) Right after COVID started. (20:35) All right. (20:36) If you believe fitness would help you, which I do, it might, maybe it's not the best base.(20:41) I don't know. (20:42) I think you would find extreme benefits in being more consistent in fitness. (20:46) Next level fitness accountability group.(20:47) 10 pound and 10 week challenge starting July 1st. (20:50) People are coming out of the woodwork. (20:51) Welcome.(20:51) Please join us. (20:52) And if you want to become more logical and rational, work with Alan. (20:56) He will help you with that for sure.(20:58) Cool.

Alan Lazaros

(20:58) I want to jump in real quick. (20:59) Please go ahead. (21:00) To wrap this at about land the plane.(21:02) Land the plane. (21:02) I do believe if you had to pick, this is all I'll say. (21:09) If you work on rational, logical, mathematical thinking and work on fitness, you increases, you increase your chances of being more successful significantly.(21:22) Significantly. (21:22) Yeah. (21:23) And that's what Alex has over a lot of other people is he has both.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:27) It's the duo that's so powerful. (21:30) The duo that is powerful. (21:31) All right.(21:31) As always, we love you. (21:32) Appreciate you. (21:33) Grateful for each and every one of you.(21:34) If you are as committed as you say you are to getting to the next level, make sure you tune in tomorrow because we will be here every single freaking day to help you get there.

Alan Lazaros

(21:41) Keep leveling up to reach your full potential.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:44) Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. (21:48) We love connecting with the Next Level family.

Alan Lazaros

(21:50) We mean it when we say family. (21:52) If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. (21:56) Everything you need to get ahold of us is in the show notes.(21:59) Thank you again.

Kevin Palmieri

(22:00) And we will talk to you tomorrow.