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The real reward is who you become. In part two of their Five S’s of Success series, Kevin and Alan examine why reaching a goal often feels different than expected and why keeping what you have built requires a new level of discipline.

They discuss the value of choosing meaningful challenges, building self-respect through action, and focusing on the person you become along the way. This is a direct conversation about achievement, fulfillment, and the work required to create results you can sustain. Press play, then choose one hard thing worth doing. Your future self has heard enough excuses.

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Show notes:
(2:09) The core belief that life is supposed to be hard
(7:40) Why voluntary hardship builds capability
(13:41) The “effect of the effect”
(15:35) Measuring success by who you become
(19:33) Growth, accumulation, and becoming more capable
(21:29) Outro

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Transcript

Kevin Palmieri

(0:00) All right, we only got three out of the five S's done yesterday, so we're going to do the remaining two S's today.

Alan Lazaros

(0:09) Today we're going to talk about success and how do you sustain it. (0:15) Welcome to Next Level University.

Kevin Palmieri

(0:18) I'm your host, Kevin Palmieri. (0:20) And I'm your co-host, Alan Lazaros.

Alan Lazaros

(0:23) At NLU, we believe in a heart-driven but no-BS approach to holistic self-improvement Our goal with every episode is to help you level up your life, love, health, and wealth.

Kevin Palmieri

(0:36) We bring you a new episode every single day on topics like confidence, self-belief, self-worth, self-awareness, relationships, boundaries, consistency, habits, and defining your own unique version of success.

Alan Lazaros

(0:51) Self-improvement, in your pocket, every day, from anywhere, completely free. (0:58) Welcome to Next Level University.

Kevin Palmieri

(1:03) Next Level Nation today for episode number 2,492, Our Advice on the Top 5 S's of Success Part 2. (1:11) That probably won't be the real name, but we'll see. (1:13) Okay, so we, I feel like this is a soap opera.(1:18) Like, let me recap really quickly. (1:20) Yesterday, we talked about how the suffer part is like... (1:24) Did Ricky really kiss Tammy?(1:26) No. (1:26) And is she pregnant? (1:27) No, it wasn't Ricky.(1:28) You only saw the back of his head of somebody else. (1:29) Oh, it was Bozzy. (1:31) It's P-P-O-P.(1:33) P-P-O-P, you son of a bitch. (1:35) All right, suffering is like... (1:39) I think suffering is probably the last, like, 15 minutes of the summit.(1:49) You can see the top. (1:50) It feels like it's right there, but it is the steepest part of the mountain. (1:53) The oxygen is extremely thin.(1:54) You're tired. (1:56) At that point, you're like, do I even have to go to the top? (1:58) Like, I'm close enough.(2:00) Close enough. (2:00) I don't know if I can do it. (2:01) I feel like that is the suffer.(2:03) The suffer is you've put all the effort in and you have zero results. (2:07) If not less than zero results.

Alan Lazaros

(2:09) I want to go somewhere that I hope you want to come with. (2:13) Let's go. (2:16) You seen Inside Out 2 yet, man?(2:18) Damn. (2:19) Nah, dude. (2:20) World-class.(2:21) I don't doubt it. (2:22) Look. (2:23) All right, for anyone who has seen Inside Out 2, if you haven't, I'm telling you, it's good for you.(2:29) It's good to understand your inner workings. (2:31) Okay, that's it. (2:33) They consulted with some really world-class clinicians to make that movie.(2:37) It'll help you understand yourself a little bit better. (2:39) And it will also help me fucking explain things. (2:41) Okay, there's an identity tree in Riley.(2:44) Riley's a character. (2:45) You know the premise, like she has emotions that run her, right? (2:49) And these different parts of her.(2:51) There's joy and anger and disgust and anxiety and all that stuff. (2:53) And the second one is about anxiety, mostly. (2:56) Okay, more sophisticated emotions, quote-unquote.(2:58) Anxiety is taking over her life. (2:59) If I don't get this, you know, if I don't fit in with the popular girls, I'm going to be alone and horrible things. (3:04) And so anxiety takes the console and ruins her fucking life, basically.(3:08) Okay, at the end, there's something called emotional flooding. (3:12) Where the identity tree, anxiety creates an identity tree of, I'm not enough. (3:18) I'm not capable enough.(3:19) Okay, and at the end, they rip out that tree and they allow all of it. (3:24) Like I'm likable. (3:25) Sometimes I make mistakes.(3:27) I'm not enough sometimes, but sometimes I'm good. (3:29) It makes you a whole person instead of like anxiety. (3:32) Just saying you're grabbing the whole wheel.(3:34) Okay, the reason I'm mentioning this is because there's a belief deep down in each of us. (3:39) This is something I've noticed in 7,000 plus coaching sessions, 7,314. (3:44) I've noticed this.(3:46) And if you have one, you have an advantage in success, not in life, but in success. (3:52) And you and I share a core belief that we never talk about. (3:55) Okay.(3:56) You and I share a core belief that obviously our listeners also share, but it's a rare core belief. (4:03) And if you don't share this core belief, you struggle with us. (4:06) You listen to us, but you don't like us.(4:08) And you certainly don't like what we say. (4:10) And the core belief is that life is supposed to be hard. (4:15) You and I share a core belief that life is supposed to be hard.(4:18) And you and I always was. (4:20) Okay. (4:21) You know, didn't have dads.(4:22) There was no normal upbringing. (4:24) Let's not go down that fucking rabbit hole. (4:26) But it was why the fuck is everyone else's life better than mine?(4:29) Okay. (4:29) You remember that? (4:30) Of course.(4:31) Okay. (4:32) So we had this belief instilled in us from a very young age of life is supposed to suck. (4:37) And when it doesn't be grateful, if you have the opposite belief, which I've met people who do, they actually believe deep down, not consciously that life is supposed to be great.(4:49) And whenever life isn't great, they think something's wrong. (4:53) That's why they struggle with this. (4:55) Because if you can't get through the essence of success, sacrifice, struggle, and suffer, if you have a belief that life is supposed to be great.(5:02) And every time life's not great, you think something's wrong with you or wrong with the government or wrong with the world or wrong. (5:07) Like you think something's wrong. (5:09) If your central nervous system thinks something's wrong, every time life isn't great, you can't suffer by choice.(5:17) You can't do this thing. (5:20) What you can do is win in the social world perception status. (5:25) And you can do a little bit here, a little bit there, but you're always going to avoid suffering by choice if you have that belief.(5:31) So you and I suffer by choice always have for a greater end state. (5:35) And I believe that that's accurate. (5:36) I believe that's true.(5:38) But I think in the 90s, 80s, 70s, somewhere along the lines in the 20th century and then the 21st century, human beings started to think life was supposed to be good. (5:48) When if you study evolution, life was always atrocious. (5:50) When do you think it started?(5:52) The 90s. (5:53) You think it was? (5:54) I do believe it was the 90s.(5:55) Yeah, because before that there was so many wars and there was so much death. (5:59) World War II, like 84 million people is the calculation of people that died. (6:03) That's wild.(6:04) It's unfucking fathomable to us. (6:07) Like to people who weren't born back then, it's unfathomable. (6:11) Like people actually thought the world was ending.(6:13) And I mean, there's some people who think that now, obviously too. (6:15) But statistically, if you just research the statistics, it is safer. (6:22) No one's dying of starvation as much.(6:24) Like not no one. (6:24) I don't mean no one.

Kevin Palmieri

(6:26) Some people do.

Alan Lazaros

(6:26) But it's unbelievably less than it was 100 years ago. (6:31) Like unbelievably less.

Kevin Palmieri

(6:32) But we see it more.

Alan Lazaros

(6:33) So we see it more. (6:34) So it seems like it's more. (6:35) But like I'm thinking of someone right now who grew up with money and things were good.(6:43) And she has this belief that things are supposed to be good. (6:47) But as she's become an adult, let me use this. (6:50) I have a client.(6:51) I have a client who has a son. (6:53) And his son, in my opinion, is entitled and arrogant. (6:56) She agrees with me.(6:57) She said, the way I grew up, you needed to take on responsibility. (7:02) He's never heard no. (7:03) He's never heard the word no.(7:07) If you've never heard the word no, you are fucking spoiled. (7:11) And I said this to her. (7:12) I said, you know as well as I do that your son is jeffed when he goes out into the world.(7:18) Because he's going to hear no from now on. (7:22) Because everyone like me and Kevin who employ people are going to be like, nope. (7:27) Absolutely not.(7:29) You entitled little shit. (7:30) Like now here's the problem. (7:32) It's not his fault.(7:34) It's not his fault. (7:35) He grew up in nothing but abundance. (7:37) He never wanted for anything.(7:38) And he never had to suffer. (7:40) You have to find a way to suffer by choice. (7:45) And the only way to change this belief is to actually get on the other end of success.(7:51) Through suffering by choice. (7:52) And that's why I'm so pro-suffering. (7:54) Like I don't want people to suffer needlessly.(7:57) I'm not a masochist. (7:59) I need you to suffer to get better. (8:01) So that you can show your true self that life is better on the other end.(8:05) And it's deeply meaningful when you actually accomplish something that requires actual sacrifice. (8:11) And so I needed to say that because these S's are useless to everybody if we don't go to that core.

Kevin Palmieri

(8:16) Isn't it just like they're all just reconditioning? (8:20) Yeah exactly. (8:21) At the end of the day.(8:21) You know what I was thinking of yesterday? (8:23) This was like an extremely humbling slash. (8:25) It's like interesting.(8:26) That's dark. (8:27) When I was thinking of. (8:28) So we're doing our 10 pound and 10 week challenge.(8:30) When I did my bodybuilding show. (8:33) I was hungry every single day all day the entire time. (8:37) I don't think like this is.(8:39) I'm not kidding. (8:40) I know. (8:41) I don't think there was ever a meal that I finished where I was like.(8:44) Oh nice I'm full. (8:45) That didn't happen ever.

Alan Lazaros

(8:46) Ever. (8:47) And here you are like explaining to people. (8:51) And I know you're not doing this.(8:53) You're trying to be at five.

Kevin Palmieri

(8:54) Yeah yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(8:54) But like sometimes you're like I get it. (8:56) It's like brother what do you mean you get it? (8:59) What do I get?(9:00) How could you possibly understand? (9:04) Like someone who's willing to suffer that much to your own long-term detriment. (9:09) For a goal.(9:12) You like are okay with people being okay with like. (9:17) How do I say this without coming off wrong? (9:18) I want to be respectful because I get it.(9:22) Yeah I get it. (9:23) But why do you make it okay?

Kevin Palmieri

(9:25) Why is it okay? (9:26) Because I don't think my standard should be everybody's standard.

Alan Lazaros

(9:28) Yeah but you do believe the principle should be everybody's principle right?

Kevin Palmieri

(9:32) No.

Alan Lazaros

(9:33) Why? (9:35) The world would be a better place if everybody had this principle.

Kevin Palmieri

(9:37) I concur. (9:38) I think the world would be a better place. (9:40) Yeah of course.(9:41) But I just don't. (9:45) Because I don't know if it would be my principle if things didn't happen to me the way they happened to me. (9:50) How many of my principles are just because of nurture?(9:54) But that's my point. (9:56) Why aren't you trying to give that to other people? (9:58) Because I don't think that that level is helpful.(10:02) I was for 90 days every single day I couldn't sleep because I was so fucking hungry. (10:07) You don't have to tell them to do that. (10:09) Well I think people should suffer more.(10:11) I think you should suffer by choice. (10:13) Yeah I think you should. (10:14) But it's so.(10:18) If we're saying people are suffering way less than they ever have then I think you're going to have to start way smaller than most people suggest.

Alan Lazaros

(10:27) You've never seen WALL-E? (10:29) No. (10:30) I gotta show you a picture.(10:31) Sorry guys. (10:32) 2008 WALL-E it shows a futuristic manifestation of what could happen if we don't learn how to get our shit together as a species. (10:40) It's basically just fat blobs in chairs getting fed and everything's automated and no one does anything.(10:48) The human evolutionary adaptation system doesn't work. (10:52) Why do you think you get jacked when you go to the gym? (10:54) Your body and mind adapts.(10:57) You don't adapt through no... (11:00) All progress in human species is through evolution and evolution doesn't work if you don't have suffering. (11:06) I'm on the same page as you.(11:07) I think you're just more extreme than I am. (11:09) I know.

Kevin Palmieri

(11:10) Which you're trying to be with everything.

Alan Lazaros

(11:12) You're just more extreme and I love that. (11:14) You have the same core beliefs but you're a 7 and I'm a 10.

Kevin Palmieri

(11:17) 100 percent. (11:18) Well that's the thing is like you're like well Kev shouldn't everybody be that? (11:21) It's like I think it would be beneficial.(11:24) I just don't know where the fucking line is. (11:25) Do you agree everyone should suffer by choice? (11:27) Yes.(11:28) Agree.

Alan Lazaros

(11:28) Yes. (11:28) Okay.

Kevin Palmieri

(11:28) Nice. (11:29) Nice. (11:29) Yes.(11:29) But they should start small. (11:31) What is suffering to somebody at the beginning is not suffering to you anymore. (11:35) It might not look like it's suffering.(11:36) That's all. (11:36) That's all I'm saying. (11:38) Yeah fair.(11:38) Or sacrifice might not look the same. (11:41) Brother I just don't want to be that fucking guy. (11:43) Like I don't want to be that guy who I didn't resonate with in the beginning.(11:47) If you look at your paycheck and you're not making... (11:50) If you're making less than $100,000 a week you're a fucking loser. (11:53) Like look.(11:55) Brother we're nowhere near that.

Alan Lazaros

(11:56) I know I know. (11:57) Right.

Kevin Palmieri

(11:57) But I am so anti that like I... (12:00) Yeah yeah yeah. (12:00) I see you.(12:01) That's the some of the dumbest shit. (12:03) I heard Grant Cardone one time say like everybody in this room could be a billionaire. (12:07) It's like...(12:08) Grant Cardone. (12:09) Statistically speaking that dude is brutal. (12:11) They can't.(12:12) They can't. (12:12) Dude's brutal.

Alan Lazaros

(12:13) I know. (12:13) Dude's brutal. (12:14) I know.(12:14) And hey you know get a better... (12:16) Get a better guide. (12:17) Get a better guide.(12:18) Yeah.

Kevin Palmieri

(12:19) Like if you're allegedly... (12:22) I'll say allegedly so nothing happens. (12:23) If your guide is Grant Cardone best of luck with you.

Alan Lazaros

(12:26) Yeah yeah.

Kevin Palmieri

(12:27) Best of luck. (12:27) I don't think that dude knows that much. (12:30) Honestly.

Alan Lazaros

(12:32) All right. (12:32) We gotta get off.

Kevin Palmieri

(12:33) We gotta get off that.

Alan Lazaros

(12:33) I don't think he knows that much. (12:34) All right real quick. (12:35) Last two.(12:37) Success and sustain. (12:39) Success is... (12:40) Yeah go ahead.

Kevin Palmieri

(12:41) Success is like oh shit. (12:44) This is what it's like. (12:46) And it's also extremely empty.(12:48) At the same time. (12:49) It's like fuck yeah. (12:50) We are really selling it.(12:51) I'm gonna be real. (12:52) I'm gonna be real. (12:53) Oh we are really selling it.(12:55) It's awesome because you do get this sense of like overwhelming achievement. (12:58) And then very quickly you get this sense of like hmm. (13:02) It's not what I thought it was gonna be.(13:04) And of course it wasn't. (13:06) Because that's the fucking thing. (13:07) You don't go from zero to a million.(13:09) You go from 999,999 to a million. (13:12) So by the time you have 999,999 it's only another dollar. (13:15) So it's not this grand evolution.(13:20) Yeah. (13:21) That. (13:22) And then sustain is the fucking worst.(13:24) Like that's the worst part. (13:25) Because now you already have what you thought you wanted. (13:28) And now you have to work harder to make sure you don't lose it.(13:30) Not only is it not as good as you'd hoped.

Alan Lazaros

(13:32) But now you have to work harder to sustain it. (13:35) But it is the best. (13:36) Yeah yeah.(13:37) Because the byproduct of these five S's isn't actually success. (13:42) I was on with a new client yesterday. (13:44) I'm super pumped and she's listening I hope.(13:48) Cause, effect. (13:48) What we really want is the effect of the effect. (13:50) The cause is working out every day.(13:52) The effect is losing weight. (13:55) The effect of the effect is longevity. (13:57) What we really want is the effect of the effect.(13:58) No one gives a shit about success. (14:01) Like I'm gonna get my dream car. (14:04) Awesome.(14:05) Sweet. (14:05) Who cares? (14:06) What really matters is who I became as a man and self-respect.(14:11) I have self-respect and self-belief and self-worth. (14:13) That's what you really want ultimately. (14:16) And that's the effect of the effect.(14:18) And so you can't just want an effect. (14:21) You have to want the cause and the effect of the effect. (14:24) In order to make it meaningful.(14:25) That's something we've never talked about. (14:26) Which I would love to do an episode on.

Kevin Palmieri

(14:28) That's a really good distinction.

Alan Lazaros

(14:29) I always called it byproduct but I don't know if that landed as well. (14:32) Because it's like cause and effect. (14:33) I drink a lot of water now I have to pee.(14:35) Okay well what's the effect of the effect? (14:37) I'm hydrated and I fucking look good and feel good. (14:40) And I can be more productive and be a better partner.(14:43) And a better business partner. (14:44) You know what I mean? (14:44) So there's layers to this stuff.(14:47) Like nobody cares about getting a new car. (14:49) It's great. (14:50) Sweet.(14:51) Awesome. (14:51) It's going to be great for three weeks. (14:53) And then you'll feel a little bit good when you get in it.(14:55) And definitely worse when you go back. (14:56) By the way for sure. (14:57) Like we got back in the Prius and I was like oh my god.(15:00) But at the end of the day the effect of the effect is who you are. (15:03) And how you feel about yourself when you're by yourself. (15:05) Like that's really what we're after.(15:06) And you can't. (15:08) And maybe that's why the 5S's are so stupid. (15:11) They're not stupid.(15:11) They're necessary. (15:12) They're hard to convince people. (15:14) Because everything we just said was basically hey this sounds terrible.(15:18) Right? (15:19) Even the success that you want is going to be terrible. (15:21) Because it's going to be worse than you think.(15:23) But what's the byproduct of the effect of the effect. (15:26) Is going to be actually valuing who you are. (15:29) And feeling like you matter.(15:31) And having a meaningful life. (15:33) Like that is fucking awesome.

Kevin Palmieri

(15:35) I'll say this. (15:36) For whatever. (15:36) I don't know how you see me out there.(15:38) Like I have no idea. (15:39) I have no idea what my public perception really is. (15:42) I know what I think it is.(15:43) But it's not what I think it is of course. (15:46) I'm whatever you think of me externally. (15:49) I promise internally I feel better than I look externally.(15:52) Yeah same. (15:52) That I can guarantee. (15:53) And that's the best.(15:55) Some days it sucks. (15:57) But it's like in a good. (15:58) I don't know.(15:59) I'm like grateful. (16:00) I'd rather. (16:02) I had somebody message me today.(16:03) And they're like hey I need help with something. (16:06) And we're going to like have this new really high paying position blah blah blah. (16:09) And it's like I wouldn't.(16:11) I would never fucking do that.

Alan Lazaros

(16:13) I would never do that. (16:14) Because you love the work you do in the world. (16:17) It's meaningful work.(16:18) And you have a meaningful life.

Kevin Palmieri

(16:20) Yeah I like how it makes me feel. (16:21) And I like who I'm becoming through it. (16:23) But again I don't.(16:24) Dude in the beginning I don't think you know that.

Alan Lazaros

(16:27) Yeah that's what I was trying to sell the whole time. (16:29) That's why I always try to do fulfillment. (16:31) Because that's the effect of the effect.(16:32) The effect of the effect.

Kevin Palmieri

(16:33) I don't know if anybody really knows that in the beginning. (16:36) Dude in the beginning. (16:38) In the beginning you're probably going to do it for shallow reasons.(16:40) Yeah that's fair. (16:41) Absolutely. (16:42) I did it for shallow reasons.

Alan Lazaros

(16:43) I did too at times.

Kevin Palmieri

(16:44) I wanted to help. (16:45) But I wanted to have a successful podcast.

Alan Lazaros

(16:47) Yeah I wanted the hottest girlfriend. (16:48) Of course. (16:49) Yeah of course.

Kevin Palmieri

(16:50) And then eventually I was having a conversation with Taryn the other day. (16:55) And we were talking about I have very big financial goals in terms of how much money I want to donate. (16:59) Like that's my thing.(17:00) And I said honestly like I don't even fucking care about the money. (17:04) Something happened. (17:04) I don't care about the money.(17:05) And I said you know what's interesting? (17:07) The fact that I don't care will probably come easier now. (17:09) I'm doing it for a different reason and I'm focused on a different goal.

Alan Lazaros

(17:13) Yes. (17:14) And that is exactly what I tried to explain in the beginning. (17:18) When you learn to need nothing you'll have everything.(17:20) That's what I meant. (17:21) I know but it doesn't land.

Kevin Palmieri

(17:22) I know it doesn't land. (17:23) In the beginning because you've been on both ends of it. (17:27) I don't know if you can do that until you get a certain level of.(17:30) Yeah you definitely can't. (17:32) If you can't pay your bills you can't get there.

Alan Lazaros

(17:33) Yeah it's not like you're like I don't need anything. (17:37) Dude I had to make 200 grand a year to be like you know what? (17:41) This isn't it.(17:42) How would we? (17:43) I don't know if I could. (17:44) I don't know if I could convince Kev.(17:46) Trust me brother. (17:47) That's well and he needs NLU for kids. (17:52) Probably.(17:53) Brandon you might. (17:54) I don't know. (17:54) I'm not gonna dangle that carrot.(17:56) But we've been talking about NLU for kids at some point. (17:58) And I literally don't latch on to that anyone listening. (18:02) But at some point I would like to do a podcast for kids.(18:05) And it can't be this. (18:07) No absolutely not. (18:09) Not because I think I'm...(18:11) Not because I don't want to help the kids. (18:13) We were at NLHF. (18:14) I gotta go.(18:14) We were at NLHF and there's a mom there. (18:17) And I was talking to her. (18:18) She was a COO and we were talking business.(18:20) And I was talking about... (18:21) She was talking about how her daughter listens to a podcast called... (18:24) It's something about science but it's got a really crafty name.(18:28) iSmarted. (18:29) Instead of iFarted iSmarted.

Kevin Palmieri

(18:30) What a great name.

Alan Lazaros

(18:31) Yeah right exactly okay. (18:32) So and I was like oh interesting. (18:34) And she was talking about personal growth.(18:35) This little kid. (18:36) 11 year old. (18:36) And I was like oh.(18:38) And I was like well we're thinking about NLU for kids. (18:40) And she's like well are you gonna host it? (18:42) And I was like no.(18:43) And she was like devastated. (18:45) She was like why? (18:46) No one's gonna care about it as much as you.(18:48) And it's like how do I explain to this woman that I can't even communicate effectively to adults? (18:55) Like I'm not gonna... (18:56) Can you imagine?(18:58) I tried to coach a nine-year-old and an 11-year-old once. (19:01) I kid you not. (19:02) That was the hardest coaching session I've ever done.(19:05) Genuinely I know this is gonna sound like I'm a prick. (19:07) It is hard for me to... (19:09) It's hard to communicate when people don't already have a lot of the scaffolding of understanding.

Kevin Palmieri

(19:14) No that makes total sense.

Alan Lazaros

(19:14) With finance I can communicate to you easily because you already... (19:17) I have nine years of already talking to you about it. (19:19) Like I can't just come in and make it rain.(19:23) It's very difficult. (19:24) So anyways.

Kevin Palmieri

(19:25) NLU for kids. (19:26) Okay cool. (19:27) Maybe in the next decade ish.(19:30) The next decade ish. (19:31) All right last thing before we go. (19:33) Alan and I are not trying to tell you this ain't it though.(19:36) This journey has been incredible. (19:37) It's been challenging. (19:38) But what it has made...(19:39) I'll speak of myself. (19:40) What it has made of me is way more than I ever thought. (19:43) It's not about the accumulation.(19:44) It is about who you become in the process. (19:47) And when you do become more you get to accumulate more. (19:49) And if you want to lock in on that, lock in on that.(19:52) That's fine. (19:52) That's fine. (19:53) I just...(19:54) You will become more capable of almost anything that you can imagine. (19:58) And that's pretty fucking cool. (20:00) Yeah man.(20:00) That might be the coolest thing. (20:02) Agreed.

Alan Lazaros

(20:03) That... (20:04) The effect of the effect is... (20:07) 10 pounds in 10 weeks is great.(20:10) The goal is 10 pounds in 10 weeks. (20:12) Timeline and a target. (20:13) The cause is exercise and eat less.(20:16) And sleep better. (20:17) Whatever. (20:18) But the effect of the effect is you feel good about accomplishing something.(20:23) And now you believe in yourself even more. (20:25) And you got to impact and inspire others along the way. (20:28) That is the effect of the effect that I think...(20:31) Makes these five S's matter. (20:34) When I say suffer by choice, I don't mean for no reason. (20:38) I don't just suffer just to suffer.(20:41) That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. (20:42) Suffer for a better world. (20:45) Suffer for growth.(20:46) Yeah. (20:47) Growth, contribution, leading by example, self-respect, self-worth, self-belief. (20:52) I can keep self-discipline.(20:53) You name it. (20:53) There's no reason to suffer for no reason. (20:55) That's not ever what I'm saying.(20:57) And I probably never make that clear. (20:58) But yeah. (20:59) It's all good.(20:59) Yeah. (21:00) Suffer for something that means something to you. (21:03) 100%.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:03) All right. (21:03) If you want to take advantage of the five S's of success, reach out to Alan for coaching. (21:07) He will help you.(21:08) Alan is late for book club as we speak right now. (21:10) They are reading Peak in book club every Saturday at 1 o'clock p.m. Yes, sir. (21:16) You can reach out to Alan.(21:17) No, can we have the... (21:18) Do we do the link in the show notes?

Alan Lazaros

(21:20) Link in the show notes. (21:21) One link. (21:21) You register, add it to your calendar every Saturday at 1 p.m. Brandon is in there now running it. (21:25) So it's not... (21:26) Yes, I'm late. (21:27) But Brandon is the director of book club.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:29) Cool. (21:29) As always, love you. (21:30) Appreciate you.(21:31) Grateful for each and every one of you. (21:32) If you are as committed as you say you are to getting to the next level, make sure you tune in tomorrow because we will be here every single day to help you get there.

Alan Lazaros

(21:37) Keep leveling up to reach your full potential.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:40) Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. (21:44) We love connecting with the Next Level family.

Alan Lazaros

(21:46) We mean it when we say family. (21:48) If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. (21:52) Everything you need to get a hold of us is in the show notes.(21:55) Thank you again. (21:56) And we will talk to you tomorrow.