Would You Rather Be Entertained Or Educated? (2504)

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What you consume becomes the direction you follow. In this episode, Kevin and Alan share why the content you read, watch, and listen to must support the goals you say matter most. They explain the difference between passive entertainment and intentional education, why discomfort can be part of real learning, and how to make small adjustments that improve focus, performance, and long-term consistency.

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Show notes:
(2:53) Why goal-relevant learning matters
(5:53) Reorienting your life around a goal
(7:10) Measure, adjust, and make small changes
(11:10) The consumer Vs. Investor mindset
(14:09) Why pain can signal real learning
(18:25) Shifting your education-to-entertainment ratio
(22:51) Building intentional learning into daily habits
(24:56) Outro

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Transcript

Kevin Palmieri

(0:00) I believe there are levels to education. (0:04) If you are out there and you love reading, I do believe that is a plus one. (0:08) But if the reading you're doing is not actually helping you get your goals, that's a minus one.(0:12) So you're kind of still at baseline.

Alan Lazaros

(0:15) When you set a goal, I've often said you have to sort of reorient your entire existence, your entire life around that goal. (0:22) That's how the science of achievement works, regardless of whether or not you like it. (0:26) And what I've found is a lot of people are reading things that have nothing to do with their goals.(0:31) Welcome to Next Level University. (0:33) I'm your host, Kevin Palmieri.

Kevin Palmieri

(0:35) And I'm your co-host, Alan Lazaros. (0:38) At NLU, we believe in a heart-driven, but no BS approach to holistic self-improvement for dream chasers.

Alan Lazaros

(0:45) Our goal with every episode is to help you level up your life, love, health, and wealth.

Kevin Palmieri

(0:51) We bring you a new episode every single day on topics like confidence, self-belief, self-worth, self-awareness, relationships, boundaries, consistency, habits, and defining your own unique version of success.

Alan Lazaros

(1:07) Self-improvement in your pocket, every day, from anywhere, completely free. (1:14) Welcome to Next Level University.

Kevin Palmieri

(1:19) Next Level Nation today for episode number 2,504, would you rather be entertained or educated? (1:26) Two quick stories before we get fired off here, okay? (1:29) Number one, back in the day, first book I ever read, Rich Dad Poor Dad.(1:32) I've told this story on the podcast many times, not proud of this. (1:35) This is the way it went. (1:37) I used to play MLB The Show, a video game, baseball video game on PlayStation, whatever I had, while I listened to the game, while I listened to the book.(1:46) I was getting into it. (1:48) I was getting into it, right? (1:49) That's part one.(1:51) Part two, and you know this to a degree. (1:53) Back when I was doing my bodybuilding show, in like 2015, maybe 2014, 2015, I did probably 45 minutes to an hour of cardio every single day. (2:04) Not once did I watch anything other than Trailer Park Boys or Parks and Recreation.(2:13) Not once. (2:14) I spent probably, I mean, figure an hour a day times 90. (2:19) I spent 90 hours just watching shit on the treadmill, where even if I found like something slightly educational on YouTube or something that would have helped me, well, that's a lie because I was watching a lot of bodybuilding content, so that is a lie, but still, there could have been more.

Alan Lazaros

(2:36) Yeah, but you were also watching some silly bodybuilding content.

Kevin Palmieri

(2:40) Excuse me?

Alan Lazaros

(2:42) Facts or facts?

Kevin Palmieri

(2:42) How dare you throw shade? (2:43) You used to watch Kiana. (2:45) How dare you throw shade?(2:47) That dude did not know how to get fit. (2:50) He was motivational, though, for sure.

Alan Lazaros

(2:51) Yeah, for sure. (2:53) Okay, so this came up because I was on with a client a couple days ago. (2:58) That might have been last week.(3:00) I think it was last week. (3:03) And what are you reading, man? (3:05) One of your habits.(3:06) Peak performance tracking. (3:07) One of your habits is 20 minutes audiobook. (3:12) I see you're doing it.(3:14) What are you reading, man? (3:17) Lord of the Rings. (3:19) I was like, brother, brother, doesn't count.(3:24) Doesn't count. (3:25) He's like, no, no, no. (3:26) Lord of the Rings is about life, man.(3:29) He has a point. (3:30) It's a metaphor. (3:31) I love Lord of the Rings.(3:32) I do, genuinely. (3:33) Okay. (3:33) No, no, no, no, no, no.(3:35) Now, I watched the Hobbit movies, the Lord of the Rings movies. (3:39) I'm with it. (3:40) I get it.(3:40) J.R.R. Tolkien. (3:41) I get it. (3:42) I do.(3:43) Science fiction. (3:44) Fiction. (3:45) Got it.(3:46) No. (3:47) Here's the thing that I want to make clear, and this is not me picking on this client because I think this client's awesome. (3:53) You need to immerse your mind in things that are relevant to your goals.(4:02) You're reading Peak by Andrews Erickson and Robert Poole, correct? (4:08) All right. (4:09) You are trying to achieve your goals and be a peak performer.(4:16) You're trying to get better at things. (4:17) You have already incorporated deliberate practice more into your life, and we've talked about it on the podcast. (4:22) We're reading the talent code, by the way, in book club.(4:25) This is my new frame for book club. (4:27) If anyone does want to come, do not come unless number one, you want harsh feedback, and number two, you really, really, really do want to get better every day because if you don't, you're not going to like it at all. (4:43) I told everyone in book club, I said, listen, book club is one of my last remaining places where it's entirely focused on me growing too.(4:51) I want to grow alongside you. (4:53) I don't want to teach. (4:55) This is for me too.(4:56) I want to read these books, and so we pick discussion questions and we go deep, but anyways, Talent Code, Daniel Coyle, Saturday at 1 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, every Saturday from now on. (5:07) We've done 277 weeks.

Kevin Palmieri

(5:09) That's insane. (5:10) Also, that is today. (5:10) If you're listening to this on the day it releases, it is today at 1 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.

Alan Lazaros

(5:15) Nice. (5:16) The link will be in the show notes, but anyways, the point is the things that you watch, the things that you listen to, the things that you read should be in alignment with your goals, and this is not that one client. (5:31) I've seen this coaching 11 years.(5:33) I've seen this time and time again. (5:35) It's like you have fitness goals, you have performance goals, you have speaking and podcasting goals, you have financial goals. (5:47) If you have a financial goal, read a financial book.

Kevin Palmieri

(5:51) Logically, makes sense. (5:52) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(5:53) I don't even understand. (5:55) One thing I'll just say instead of just yelling into the mic here, your likelihood of achieving your goals decreases drastically with how little of your life you orient underneath them. (6:11) 10-pound and 10-week challenge.(6:12) If I really wanted to, okay, I could probably give you a list of 12 things I've tweaked from the moment we set that goal, and I'm still not winning. (6:23) I'm still behind. (6:25) I guess this is something that's been an unconscious competency.(6:28) The moment I set a goal, everything immediately from this moment on reorients toward that goal.

Kevin Palmieri

(6:37) How often are you surprised at what has to reorient? (6:41) That's why. (6:42) Again, not to minimize.(6:43) I don't mean it that way, but I think the reason you're so good at this is because you know what it's going to take to accomplish the goal. (6:51) When you sign up for a goal, when you sign up for, I will acquire X goal by X date or whatever, it's very rarely by X date. (7:00) You know exactly what to do and you know what it's going to take.

Alan Lazaros

(7:04) For the most part.

Kevin Palmieri

(7:05) For the most part. (7:06) Well, very high percentage.

Alan Lazaros

(7:07) I think then you adapt along the way. (7:10) It's inputs, outputs, measure, adjust. (7:11) How often are you adapting?(7:13) Then to what percentage are you adapting? (7:15) 24, 7, 365. (7:16) How small are the adaptations?(7:18) Tiny. (7:19) Constantly. (7:20) Every now and then there's an overhaul.(7:23) You know this. (7:24) I'll blow up the company. (7:25) I'll be like, you know what?(7:26) Honestly, this isn't working. (7:28) Fuck this. (7:28) Fuck that.(7:29) There are certain extreme makeovers every now and then. (7:33) I'm being playful with blowing up the company. (7:35) What I really mean is like, okay, 24 departments can eight of them.(7:38) Like we're done with that. (7:39) We're going to like every now and then I'll get pissed off enough to do like an extreme makeover. (7:45) But for the most part, it's just day to day frustrations into fascination, into transformation and little tweaks.(7:52) Like, let's do this. (7:53) So I know this wasn't the point, but this is a good point. (7:58) When I was behind and I broke it down in the math and the fitness group, Emilio was like, well, what are you going to do to lower your calories?(8:06) Because what I calculated is I basically need to exercise 385 calories more and then eat 385 calories less. (8:14) So I cut out breakfast. (8:16) Okay, that's one.(8:19) I'm going to take the stairs a little more. (8:22) I'm going to park a little far. (8:23) Like everything.(8:24) I'm going to run a little faster. (8:26) I'm going to make my workouts a little more intense. (8:28) I'm also going to increase, decrease the time between sets.(8:32) There's all these little tweaks that I never talk about. (8:35) And that's why I hit on the dot. (8:37) I will hit weight on the day.(8:42) Genuinely. (8:43) And it's not because I'm lucky. (8:45) You've seen me do this a thousand times.(8:46) It's because I'm calculating everything.

Kevin Palmieri

(8:50) It's too stressful for me, man. (8:53) It's too stressful for me. (8:55) I'm right on right there.(8:57) It's good. (8:58) Just keep riding it out like we're doing. (8:59) It's going to be fine.(9:01) You'll go early. (9:02) I'm going to, that's the goal. (9:03) The goal is to go early for sure.

Alan Lazaros

(9:04) Nice.

Kevin Palmieri

(9:05) The goal for me is always to go early though. (9:08) Like that's the goal for everything, right? (9:09) I want to be done.(9:11) Almost always. (9:12) I said that to you in confidence. (9:17) No, no.(9:19) We have fun. (9:21) The point I've never seen you as red as you're red right now.

Alan Lazaros

(9:25) Am I? (9:25) I had to because it's so funny and I didn't mean it based on anything we've talked about. (9:30) I was supposed to be just a joke.

Kevin Palmieri

(9:31) That's high level. (9:33) Now you've taken me off the rails.

Alan Lazaros

(9:35) You were saying?

Kevin Palmieri

(9:36) Other piece.

Alan Lazaros

(9:37) Okay.

Kevin Palmieri

(9:38) We make fun of the fact that I used to watch Shark Tank. (9:42) I'm telling you right now, Shark Tank was a very important from education to enter, sorry, from entertainment to education moment for me because I actually felt like I was learning. (9:53) There's something to that.(9:55) In hindsight, were you? (9:57) To a degree. (9:58) Yeah.(9:59) Yeah. (10:00) To a degree. (10:01) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(10:01) Okay.

Kevin Palmieri

(10:02) And that's one of the reasons I like, there's a few YouTube series that I absolutely love. (10:09) They're easy to consume, but there's very good principled knowledge. (10:13) One of them is called Company Man, where he talks about why companies go out of business, why they come back, all that stuff.(10:18) And then there's another one. (10:20) His name is Michael Girdley or something. (10:23) I don't know what to what degree slash caliber of an entrepreneur he is.(10:26) He seems pretty successful, but he does videos on like the rise and fall of this company. (10:31) I watched one yesterday that was the rise and fall of Pizza Hut. (10:36) I just love seeing the parallels of like this company was crushing it and then they started losing.(10:40) Why? (10:41) JCPenney. (10:41) They do that one yet?(10:42) He's done JCPenney. (10:43) He's done Under Armour. (10:44) He's done CrossFit.(10:46) He's done all of them. (10:48) All of them. (10:48) Starbucks, McDonald's.(10:51) No, Bang's not, that was never, I don't know. (10:53) That's like in our space. (10:55) I don't think most people even knew about Bang.(10:58) It's like a fitness thing.

Alan Lazaros

(11:00) Really? (11:01) Yeah. (11:02) That's a whole other conversation.(11:04) It's a very strange. (11:05) Very strange siloed world, like silos. (11:07) Yeah.(11:08) It's fascinating. (11:09) Okay. (11:10) Education versus entertainment.(11:13) I love it. (11:14) I love movies, film, all good. (11:17) But that's, if you're watching movies more than you're learning, you're in trouble.(11:24) Like there used to be a quote, wealthy people have big libraries, poor people have big TVs. (11:33) Honestly, you should have both. (11:35) Let's just have both.(11:37) But the truth is honestly, like there is some truth to that, right?

Kevin Palmieri

(11:41) Like, well, one is consumer versus investor.

Alan Lazaros

(11:45) Yeah. (11:45) Consumer versus investor. (11:48) And that mindset is so important.(11:51) So important. (11:52) Consumer is like mindlessly scrolling on Instagram where it's mostly nonsense. (11:57) I've unfollowed a bunch of people today.(11:59) I'm so grateful. (12:00) The shit they post is really useless. (12:02) It's like mental candy.(12:04) And I'm done sugarcoating it. (12:06) The majority of the internet is absolute horseshit. (12:09) And I'm grateful.(12:10) I'm proud that ours is not horseshit. (12:12) Like you will learn here. (12:13) You're not going to like it.(12:14) You're not going to like us. (12:15) You're like, I don't care about that. (12:18) I don't care at all anymore.(12:19) Like, here's what I'm proud of. (12:21) You're going to get better here in real life. (12:24) I can't believe I even have to say that.(12:27) Like in real life behind the scenes, when no one's watching, like you'll get better in real life. (12:31) Like you'll, I have one client who is making 140 grand a year. (12:34) She increased her income by like 50% in the last two years.(12:38) Like you can really change your whole fucking life. (12:40) If you actually do the work, you got to do the work and you have to listen to things that aren't bullshit. (12:47) I can't, I can't open Instagram without seeing something that's absolute horseshit at all anymore.(12:53) And it's getting even worse with AI and it's going to keep getting worse. (12:57) So yeah, you have to protect your mind. (13:00) You have to, there is, this is not my opinion.(13:03) This is, you have to protect your brain from bullshit.

Kevin Palmieri

(13:07) Well, and now I think now is the easiest time to learn.

Alan Lazaros

(13:11) I think it's not though, because there's so much nonsense.

Kevin Palmieri

(13:14) It is, but it isn't right. (13:15) It's such a, but if you were to, if you were to say, I'm going to do a, cause that's the thing, right? (13:20) Yes.(13:21) And if you're, if you're going to try to learn something to a very deep level, you're going to have to sift through the bullshit anyway. (13:28) Well, you're going to have to, you want to learn about money, but you can sift through it quickly. (13:33) But what I'm saying is I know there is an influx of bullshit.

Alan Lazaros

(13:37) Yeah. (13:38) So, but if you, how do we teach people to sift through it quickly though? (13:41) To me, I go right to whatever's the most boring.

Kevin Palmieri

(13:45) I mean, that's probably good advice. (13:47) I just don't know how to make that stick.

Alan Lazaros

(13:50) Start with 10 minutes of the most boring finance book you can find. (13:54) The more boring the content, the less likely it's bullshit. (13:57) What if boring equals don't understand?(14:01) That, yeah, I mean, that's good. (14:03) Don't understand is good.

Kevin Palmieri

(14:04) It's good if you don't understand it.

Alan Lazaros

(14:05) Yes, absolutely. (14:07) That's the beginning of understanding. (14:09) I had a client say, thank you so much today because she's doing something that was just awfully painful and massive feedback.(14:17) And yesterday she was like, I hate this. (14:20) I don't want to do this. (14:20) And I was like, I know, of course you don't want to do this.(14:26) It's terrible. (14:28) And I center the, the micro failure for macro success framework. (14:32) I said, every time you get to step four, you're, you think something's wrong when you get to step four, which is pain.(14:41) That means something's right. (14:43) So step one is belief. (14:46) Step two is try.(14:47) Step three is fail. (14:48) Step four is pain. (14:50) Those are excellent.(14:52) Perfect. (14:52) You're doing it exactly the way you're supposed to. (14:54) The moment you get to pain, the fifth one is contemplate.(14:57) I said, every time you get to step four, I know you're listening, by the way, you need to fucking contemplate. (15:02) What am I missing from the equation? (15:06) That's it, dude.(15:07) How many times have you and I behind the scenes? (15:09) You've heard me every single time you've seen me for the last nine years, basically trying to figure something out. (15:15) Like this happened and this person said that.(15:17) And like, what the hell is that about? (15:18) It's like, I'm trying to figure out the formula and try to figure out how to, how to succeed. (15:23) And the only way to figure out how to succeed is to like constantly bludgeon yourself with trying and failing.(15:30) And here's why. (15:31) And I want to make this clear. (15:33) She is learning intellectually all the time.(15:35) This was experiential learning. (15:36) She went to a paid night basically. (15:39) Okay.(15:39) And she doesn't want to go. (15:40) She thought it was a waste of money and a waste of time because she's back in the dating game. (15:45) You got to get in the arena.(15:47) There's no one in the arena. (15:48) That's not getting punched in the face. (15:50) Like being in the fight means you're constantly failing.(15:54) Even if social media says otherwise, I mean, constantly you and I are failing 15 times a day on the micro, but we're winning on the macro. (16:03) I think that that's the thing that needs to be shared here. (16:06) So learning education, not only is it boring content, it's also painful content.(16:12) Like I took a insane productivity course today, not the whole thing, but like several modules. (16:19) And the whole freaking time is like, Oh my God, that's so true. (16:23) Like, I'm not doing that.(16:24) Like I'm sucking at that so hard. (16:27) And, and the reason I feel bad about myself is because I need to change something. (16:33) And I knew I needed this because it's like, yo, you've lost focus, brother.(16:38) You, this is me talking to me. (16:39) Okay. (16:40) Alan, you've lost focus.(16:42) You've got to focus on your one most important thing, like get it together. (16:47) And so I take this course and then I get all the feedback and it's like, I'm always making sure that my brain inputs are relevant to my immediate goals because it's almost like books are just a way to stay on track. (17:01) Like if you're too unfocused, read essentialism.(17:03) If you're not focused on the long game, read the compound effect. (17:07) If you are unsure what's wrong, read the art of impossible. (17:11) You'll find out like these books are like friends that are there to help you achieve your goals.(17:18) And any book that is fun and like enjoyable, like there's not a chance it's as valuable. (17:24) There's no way like the books that make me feel the worst about myself are always the most constructive.

Kevin Palmieri

(17:31) And to your point, the most boring books, like algorithms to live by is just incredibly boring. (17:36) But that's one, I tell you this all the time, like that's one of my favorite books that I love that because it, honestly, it's one of my favorites, but also I think some of my favorite books are also the most painful books, not because of the feedback. (17:51) It's more because like, oh my goodness, nobody else really knows this.(17:56) Especially the psychology books with the biases. (17:58) Those always fuck with me because it's like, this shit is getting used against so many people and they have no idea. (18:04) And that's the only reason it works.(18:06) It's because they don't know this.

Alan Lazaros

(18:06) The Art of Thinking Clearly by Robert Dorelli, I believe. (18:12) You, 100 chapters, very short chapters, all the cognitive, not all of them, but 100 cognitive biases in a row. (18:19) That book will knock you on your ass.

Kevin Palmieri

(18:22) That's a good one.

Alan Lazaros

(18:23) Yeah, it's a good one.

Kevin Palmieri

(18:24) That's a good one. (18:25) So my takeaway slash, I think, high level thought on this is if right now you're at 95.5 and you're not because you're listening to podcasts every day. (18:34) So for you, it's probably like maybe you're at 75.(18:36) We'll say you're at 60, 40, 60% education, 40% entertainment. (18:45) Let's say that's where you are right now. (18:46) The goal is to realign those numbers.(18:51) The more specific you get with your goals, the more belief you have in your goals and the more committed you are to your goals. (18:57) And then eventually you're at 80, 20, and then you're at 81, 19, 82, 18. (19:01) And then who knows?(19:03) Then I think it gets to a place where you can actually get to a point where you're, and again, this is a fine line, where your R and R is you doing some level of learning. (19:12) I know we fuck around about what I watch on YouTube, but that's at nine o'clock at night. (19:16) That's not what I'm learning in the morning.(19:19) Like I'm learning about the universe because I just want to learn more about the universe, but that's at nine o'clock at night. (19:23) That's not, I'm not checking that off as my learning.

Alan Lazaros

(19:26) You don't start that out at the beginning of the day. (19:28) You gotta be careful what you start your day with, true or false? (19:30) True, for sure.

Kevin Palmieri

(19:32) Yeah. (19:32) You start watching, you gotta be very careful.

Alan Lazaros

(19:35) Yeah.

Kevin Palmieri

(19:36) You gotta be very careful. (19:37) The Thursdays for me, I usually do cardio at home because I usually have an 8 a.m. meeting. (19:42) And I have to be very careful because I like to watch business stuff on YouTube, but it's that, the act of turning the TV on, like there's something about that.

Alan Lazaros

(19:52) Yeah. (19:52) That triggers the comfortable. (19:54) Yeah.(19:54) You can't start your day with entertainment.

Kevin Palmieri

(19:56) That's in a different place in the house. (19:57) So when I'm done there, I come here and then it's, I can reset, but yeah, you have to be very, you have to be very cautious.

Alan Lazaros

(20:02) And similar to that, I don't read atomic habits at 10 o'clock at night either. (20:06) Right. (20:07) Because it gets me all jacked up to do things and I'm supposed to be winding down.(20:11) So I fit for purpose. (20:12) I like that. (20:13) I do that with music and books fit for purpose.(20:15) I have Ryan holiday books by my bedside. (20:18) There's two of them. (20:19) I just bought it.(20:19) Ego is the enemy and courage is calling. (20:22) I think the philosophy books are still useful, but they're not going to jack me up right before bed. (20:30) They're, they're boring enough to, to zonk off to quite a shining endorsement.(20:35) I mean, it is what it is. (20:36) I, I caught a picture of Ryan holiday recently. (20:39) I was like, ah, damn, not in shape.(20:42) No, no, no. (20:44) Wildly skinny. (20:45) It looks kind of frail.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:47) It's like, damn Ryan, like, you know, the way of the stoics, I suppose. (20:50) I don't know.

Alan Lazaros

(20:51) It's tough for me to have someone's work be better than them.

Kevin Palmieri

(20:54) You know, I unfortunately think that is like almost always the case, almost always the case, right?

Alan Lazaros

(21:00) Like it makes me sad. (21:01) I want to be better than my work.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:03) I had a turn. (21:04) I were talking recently. (21:05) It's like, if we're going to, if we're unable to separate the art from the artist, I'm not going to, there's not gonna be any art.(21:10) I'm not going to be able to watch anything or listen to anything or I'm just going to like sit in my room all day. (21:15) Just look at the wall.

Alan Lazaros

(21:16) It's so depressing. (21:17) It is so true though.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:18) It's very depressing.

Alan Lazaros

(21:19) Yeah.

Kevin Palmieri

(21:20) It's very depressing. (21:21) Okay. (21:21) Uh, what's your 60 second takeaway?

Alan Lazaros

(21:25) Increase your, you don't have to work on entertainment. (21:29) Don't, don't work on entertainment. (21:31) That's going to come.(21:32) The whole world is a giant cesspool of nonsense entertainment. (21:38) Like don't, you don't need to work on that. (21:40) Trust me.(21:40) The algorithm is going to throw plenty of it in front of you. (21:43) Um, the most successful YouTube channels are almost always just absolute garbage for your mind. (21:49) They're not going to improve your brain.(21:50) They're not going to prove your life. (21:51) They're not going to prove your brain. (21:52) But like this book, I always use it basic economics by, uh, something so well, most boring book I've ever read.(21:59) Super important, super valuable book, really boring, terrible book. (22:04) Um, but like, I'm not reading to enjoy myself. (22:08) And I think that's my takeaway.(22:09) Stop doing things to enjoy yourself and start doing things for your goal.

Kevin Palmieri

(22:14) Well, and the beauty of that is when you do accomplish your goal, you will enjoy the process of accomplishing the goal. (22:19) Just different. (22:20) It's just different.(22:20) It doesn't feel the same.

Alan Lazaros

(22:21) Last thing, how much of your, what you do and don't do is to enjoy yourself versus for your goals because the things that are most important for your goals are almost never enjoyable.

Kevin Palmieri

(22:37) Unfortunately, but they feel good after. (22:41) Yeah.

Alan Lazaros

(22:41) And then, and if you get in flow, they feel great. (22:44) Yeah. (22:45) They feel better, you know, in time.

Kevin Palmieri

(22:51) And then you get used to doing them. (22:53) And it's like, then it becomes a habit. (22:56) Once it becomes a habit, you just, just fucking do it.(22:59) Just do it. (23:00) Like just hit the play button on audible and let it play and just sit there, do it in the car, whatever, do it while you're doing the dishes, do it when you're doing your laundry. (23:09) And then you can always cross that over to other, other places and other times.

Alan Lazaros

(23:14) What would you say to Kev watching or listening to Rich Dad Poor Dad while playing video games?

Kevin Palmieri

(23:22) Stupid bastard.

Alan Lazaros

(23:26) Cause I would say, Kev, what are your goals? (23:29) And he would say, ah, you know, $2 million net worth. (23:31) And I'd say not like this.

Kevin Palmieri

(23:34) I honestly think I could have got there like that. (23:36) I do. (23:37) I do.

Alan Lazaros

(23:39) Taking your 50 years, man.

Kevin Palmieri

(23:40) Yeah. (23:40) It would have taken me a long time. (23:41) It would have been, um, right now you're checking the box.(23:45) You're checking the box. (23:46) You can say, when you go to bed tonight that you learned, you can check the box and say, you put your 30 minutes of learning, but did you really, did you really like, do you just want to check the box? (23:54) And how have the workouts that you've done where you just check the box?(23:57) How did that go? (23:58) That probably didn't go very well. (23:59) Did it?(24:00) How did any of the things you've done in your life go after you just check the box? (24:03) No. (24:03) Well, why are we treating this any different?(24:06) And then he probably, again, he was sassy. (24:08) He probably would have said like, dude, honestly, fuck you.

Alan Lazaros

(24:11) You know, why are you in my house? (24:13) I don't think he would have. (24:14) Why are you in my house, future Kevin?

Kevin Palmieri

(24:16) Why are you in my house? (24:17) I don't know. (24:18) But yeah, don't just look in the very, very beginning.(24:22) It might feel like checking the box, but eventually it gets to a point where like you want to be very, very, very intentional about everything you do and what you learn and how you're learning and what you take from what you're learning and how you journal about what you took from what you're learning. (24:33) It's, there's many, many levels to this and it never ends going back to this, the SOP episode. (24:38) No pain, no gain.(24:39) No pain, no gain. (24:40) All right. (24:41) If you're looking for a coach who's going to help you grow, that will require some pain, some discomfort, uh, some level of resistance.(24:47) Alan's your guy. (24:47) Next level fitness accountability group is on fire crushing. (24:50) We'd love to have you if you're a good human who is trying to take care of yourself physically.(24:55) So reach out to Alan and or myself. (24:56) We will let you in as always. (24:57) We love you.(24:58) Appreciate you. (24:59) Grateful for each and every one of you. (25:00) If you are as committed as you say you are to getting to the next level, make sure you tune in tomorrow because we will be here every single day to help you get there.

Alan Lazaros

(25:06) Keep leveling up to reach your full potential.

Kevin Palmieri

(25:09) Thanks for joining us for another episode of Next Level University. (25:13) We love connecting with the Next Level family.

Alan Lazaros

(25:15) We mean it when we say family. (25:18) If you ever need anything, please reach out to us directly. (25:21) Everything you need to get ahold of us is in the show notes.(25:24) Thank you again and we will talk to you tomorrow.