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Selfie 1x05 Recap | "Even Hell Has Two Bars"

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The romance part of the tragically cancelled ABC rom-com series, Selfie, begins to spark a little bit. It's time to talk about "Even Hell Has Two Bars"!

Jenn (@notajenny) and Chels (@chels725) unpack the workplace part of this workplace comedy first, talking about the differences between Eliza and Henry. They then discuss how Eliza spent the entire episode trying to help Henry, only for him to insult her. They discuss flawed characters, and how to navigate work relationships and dynamics. 

The two then conclude by talking about Henry's grand romantic gesture and why we need more romance in TV and media!

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Speaker

Hi, welcome to the Selfie Rewatch podcast, where we, of course, are talking about ABC's tragically cancelled sitcom Selfie. I'm your host, Jen, along with my co-host Chelsea, Chels.

Speaker 1

Hey, Jen. Long time no see. Genuinely.

Speaker

Truly, we are not doing a bit. It has been a very long time since we recorded. I am pretty sure this is our first time in this new year recording an episode together.

Speaker 1

Oh. Two more dogs that are mine. I have doubled the amount of dogs since we last recorded.

Speaker

I just, you need to stop acquiring like Pokemon dogs, nieces, nephews, like people. Like you just have too much now.

Speaker 1

They just like keep appearing in my life from family members. And I'm like, okay, there's the backyard. They're barking now. You'll probably hear them.

Speaker

I mean, by the time that this episode actually airs, who's to say whether or not Chelsea have another dog? We don't know.

Speaker 1

As long as it's not a cat, because I I can't handle anything else.

Speaker

That's that's fair. Um, but we are back, we're talking about selfie. We promise, I mean, you know, Chelsea's accumulation of dogs, the world has been a lot, our lives have been a lot. So we're glad that you're still here listening to us talk about a show that ended so many years ago that we are still very passionate about. So we're talking about the selfie episode today, Even Hell Has Two Bars, uh, written by Matthew Harwitz and directed by Todd Holland. Um, I love the titles of these episodes, and I really love the title of this one. Um, because it is a struggle when you're out in the middle of nowhere and you do not have cell phone service. I have been there, Chelsea's been there. It also happens when you're at Comic-Con or a giant convention center with lots of people. Like you lose service pretty fast.

Speaker 1

Like, Jen, I was in your same town. We're so busy we weren't able to see each other. And I just did not have phone service for 90% of my day because the moment I walked through some doors, it's like, nope, blackout. Nope.

Speaker

Well, this episode takes us away from the office with Eliza and Henry. So I'm excited to talk about uh this. This is also an episode that has maybe one of my favorite kind of grand romantic gestures from this whole show, a thing that I still think about a lot. There's another moment that we'll talk about later on in the show that we still also think about. But we're gonna talk about Henry and Eliza and some of the shenanigans that they get up to. So the plot for this one is that Sam, Henry and Eliza's boss, invites them to spend the weekend at his Santa Barbara house. So they I guess, you know, Santa Barbara has no cell service uh in this story. Um, and Henry is really looking forward to trying to get a promotion, whereas Eliza is just there to hang out and is basically trying to tell Henry the entire time: like, you need to relax, you need to stop making everything about work, because Sam and Sam's wife and Sam's daughter and son-in-law are also there, and all of them get real annoyed by Henry's constant work talk all the time. So, you know, Eliza's advice is to kind of relax, and it does not go well for Henry. I'm sure you could have guessed the ending to that story. But also, Eliza, you know, has a moment too where she gets to basically teach Henry a lesson. And I'm always a fan of when that happens. Basically, also one thing you need to know that we'll talk about in the next episode is that the order for this one is actually reversed. So the next episode chronologically happens before this, but we'll talk about that when we get there. That's just the joy of television, everyone, is that sometimes things hair in the incorrect order.

Speaker 1

And the worst like offender of this was season one of Happy Endings. They put the pilot and then everything else in a blender. Y'all, you don't understand how chaotic TV still.

Speaker

I I will also say enlisted, enlisted, unfortunately, but the pilot and the finale, and then everything else in the middle was mostly aired out of order, too, where you're like, wait a second, we've never met this character before. Who are they? And then you meet them in the next episode.

Speaker 1

So they were literally just picking names out of a hat at that point.

Speaker

Yeah. They were like, well, we'll just throw everything at the wall and then we'll rearrange it that way. Uh so there we are. That's just, you know, the joys of network television. So I the quote that I have for us is a nice little piece of dialogue, which I love, which Eliza says, I'm nobody's plus one. I'm VIP bitches. And Henry goes, Bitches, it's just me. One bitch. And I love John. John Joe's delivery of that is just so good. So, so good. Um, Chelsea, do you have anything besides this? Because this is such a great line. It's such an iconic line still for me.

Speaker 1

I mean, that is my favorite line, but also whenever they want to go Oprah spotting, I was just cackling.

Speaker

Loving.

Speaker 1

Because I too would go Oprah spotting.

Speaker

I mean, honestly, so many of their activities just sounded so fun and chill. I want to go hang out by a pool. I want to go look for celebrities around the earth.

Speaker 1

Karen's line read of uh waffles and bacon. Yes.

Speaker

She's trying to decide. And then you're like, oh no.

Speaker 1

What smell does she want to wake up to? Waffles and bacon.

Speaker

You don't have to choose. That is the joy of this kind of like breakfast food. You don't have to choose. So I'm excited to talk about this episode. There's, you know, not a ton really to talk about plot-wise. So we're gonna talk uh a bit more about the romance side of things because this was a rom-com. But before we get there, I do want to talk a little bit about Henry in this episode because Henry annoys his coworkers by being so work-centered all the time. And in contrast, people seem to naturally follow Eliza's lead, even when she's not trying to lead them to do anything. She's just bringing up an idea. People are like, oh yeah, let's do that. Henry is not thrilled about this the entire episode because he's trying so desperately to get everyone to like him. And Eliza just is not trying at all. Literally, she is me and you. She just wants to go to a giant estate and sit by a pool and drink some drinks and maybe look for is that not what both of us did when we were in the same city and could not see each other.

Speaker 1

Yes.

Speaker

Yes, we were like, great, we're gonna be enjoying uh just enjoying solo time or low-key relaxing time.

Speaker 1

Um the choice of doing nothing.

Speaker

I did want to talk about just like the difference between the two of them in this episode because they do clash, and we'll talk about that in a little bit. But like, what do you think about the way that this conflict is presented and how maybe it's a little bit different from the way we've seen them argue already so far in the show?

Speaker 1

You know, I love these world-building episodes because we know that these are their personality types, and we love just to see them and hang out with them as this, and that's where the genuine conflict comes from. Yeah. And there's a reason why Eliza is the number one salesperson, bar none of the company, because she's just naturally magnetic. People love her ideas. They're like, yeah, let's follow her, let's go to the second location, let's see what happens. Because she just has that extra something, the X factor, if you will. But here's the thing: when you're trying to hang out with people and impress people, just be yourself. Henry doesn't know how to be himself. Poor guy. Everything is planned. It is planned three years ahead of time. And that is one thing about their leadership styles that comes out. Eliza's able to change things up, go with the flow, improvise a little bit because sometimes life does not go to plan. Meanwhile, Henry, one little thing, and he's just ruined. He didn't have enough shoe polish for both of his boots, and it really flustered him at one point. So poor guy. I think his leadership does benefit from Eliza because she can think on her feet.

Speaker

Mm-hmm. I agree. And that's the thing with like Eliza is just so it's so funny because you know, she's kind of presented a little bit as like an influencer, but then she has this like sales job, and you can tell there is a reason why she's really good at it.

Speaker 1

And it's just because influencer is not just salespeople.

Speaker

I that's it. That's what it is, is that's what her job is, and that's what her off-time job is, is like she just does things and has fun and goes with the flow, and she doesn't let it rattle her in the way that like Henry's like, no, we have to stick to the schedule. I have to impress them. I have to keep talking about this thing. Also, like, for as much as Eliza is like aloof in terms of like the way that sometimes she can be self-centered, she has the emotional intelligence enough to know when someone is not engaging in a conversation. And again, proof of why she's a really good salesperson. Like, Henry does not get it that no one wants to talk about what he wants to talk about. They are bored out of their minds at that table sitting around. And Eliza's like, let's go do a thing. Like, let's go to the pool. And everyone's like, oh my gosh, yeah, let's go do that. Let's go, let's go hang out.

Speaker 1

And it's not even her saying, let's go do this. She's like, I'm gonna do this. And everyone's like just being so confident in yourself to be able to go do something. And that is a natural thing, but also she can read a room. Yes. Henry, with all of his planning and blustering, he's not actively listening to people around him. He's not picking up on any of the cues. Nobody wants to talk about work on a Santa Barbara weekend. No.

Speaker

And I feel like I remember hearing this a lot from, you know, especially being in like a work environment, is when you're in meetings with people, there are people who actively listen, and then there's people who are only listening, but they're already forming what they're gonna say next. Like, so they're not really listening to you. And Henry is definitely the latter. He's like, I have a one-track mind. We're gonna have a conversation about this. He's so insistent about like, I spent so long of my life like learning how to ride a horse. Like, I need to do this.

Speaker 1

I'm smart as an animal.

Speaker

I need to do this thing, and I cannot accept that there is a situation in which I would not be doing this. And Eliza, meanwhile, like, yeah, to your point, she doesn't need, she doesn't feel the need to impress the people that she's sitting around. So she doesn't try and she just is herself. And that is why people are like, hey, she seems confident and cool, and like she'll be down for whatever we suggest. And you want to hang out with those people when you're on a vacation. Like, you don't want the person who is like, hey, we can only do these things in this order at this time, and then we're gonna do this and this and this and this. And I love a schedule, but there's a time to be like, okay, so we have free time. We have like a thing we can do. We can do one of 10 different options of things in this time frame. Not I have to hit all of these marks, and that's how we'll talk about this in a second, that's how I'm gonna get a promotion. He doesn't have the people skills that Eliza does. And I think that it's real fun because nothing about Eliza's people skills or Eliza's like so as as a workplace would call them soft skills is presented as a negative in this episode. They're all presented as a positive. Like she is nothing she's doing is ruining the vibes. Everything Henry is doing is like he is the only one who sees what she's bringing to this as a weakness.

Speaker 1

And you know what? You need the personality hires. Jen, I'm the personality hire. You brought me to how many things as a press person because you're like, Chelsea will be down, she'll do it. I get food poisoning, I'm sending Chelsea in, she'll be fine. Yeah, and I'm like, I did.

Speaker

Yeah, I got this. Because like that's the other thing is like knowing the reason why I was always so confident, like when we would go to press rooms and putting you in is because you made genuine rapport with the people that were at the table. You treated everyone, all of the people I love hearing still to this day, your stories of you know, getting complimented from uh wasn't it 80 Brian who complimented your your uh pants?

Speaker 1

I loved my track pants. Yes, like and I'm like, yeah, they're from Target. And like me and her just talking about Target before the interview and all the cute clothes we got there. Yes, we know we're boycotting Target. This was This was a different time.

Speaker

A lot of things this was a decade ago. This was a Oh, I was young.

Speaker 1

I didn't have to shift like a rotisserie chicken in my chair.

Speaker

And like, you know, that's the thing though. You want someone when you're doing an interview with a person who is, you know, either an author, a celebrity, whatever. You want someone who is gonna make people feel comfortable. And that is a hundred percent Eliza. Eliza will make people feel comfortable and welcome and invited into a space.

Speaker 1

It's like Eliza, do you want to do this? And just like, no, she's she's real. Yeah, she she truly likes she's saying it in a way it's like, I don't have to do this. Y'all have fun though.

Speaker

Well, yeah, and that is that is a hundred percent what she brings to this is like she is again, it looks like to the outside world, she's very disconnected. But because she's not trying, she actually enjoys her time with the people that she's spending time with, with Sam and his wife and you know, Sam's daughter and son and like she's enjoying the time she's spending. She would have just been happy and content to be by herself, too, which I think I love so much about Eliza. Like, yeah, she she really was just there to be like, I'm fine sitting by the pool the entire time. That's what I'm here for. You guys go do whatever you want to. I'm gonna be over here.

Speaker 1

Deeply relatable. Yeah.

Speaker

That is us. I want to be sitting around a pool and having some drinks and no one interrupting me. And more importantly, no one talking about work or conversations that I just don't want to have. I just don't want to have when I'm not at the office. Because I think this segues nicely into our next point because what this episode does is explains so nicely, and we talk about this a lot when it comes to like workplace comedies. Like a part of a workplace comedy is that the comedy has to also understand how a workplace functions in order for it to be funny. Think of why people have loved the office for so many years, is because you're like, oh, I know bits and pieces of these characters are like people I work with in my office. And this is one of those instances in which it kind of examines how workplaces actually function, which is like there's a through line in this. It's not about what you know that will often get you promoted, but the relationships that you form with people. So, what did you think about this whole arc and this whole learning journey that Henry has to go on that Eliza already knew?

Speaker 1

I mean, I feel like all of this goes back to when you would just invite me to things because you're like, Chelsea's fine. It's all about who you know. How many times have we gone to an event or something? And we just make make friends with the publicist because we're just hanging out there and we just talk about everything. And then how many more interviews did we get invited to? How many more roundtables? It's all about who you know and your attitude and stuff. Like, yes, you could be the best, most proficient employee, but if you're not a joy to be around, nobody wants to work with you. You would rather take somebody who's so middle of the road but pleasant and doesn't make your life difficult, it's exactly that. Like, Henry might be good at his job, and he is. But if you're not good with people and the people around you, the people you have to answer to, and even like the people who answer to you, yes, you're not gonna last long. Like that's I look at my life and I'm like, I work with different companies, and I have seen the general manager of a company change seven times in the last five years, and I always place bets, and I'm pretty accurate on when people go because if they're a joy to work with, they last and they move up. And if they don't, they're gone.

Speaker

It is something that I think people, especially like if you're early on in your career, you should know this is like it doesn't, you don't have to be like best friends with everyone you work with, but you need to make sure that you're not just like technically good at your job, but that you are a person that other people could see being part of a team for a long time. Because the majority of workplaces, unless you are like a very independent contractor or whatever, you're on a team of some sort, regardless of how large or small that is. And like Sam knows that Henry is technically capable. He's been there long enough. He is a good, he's good at his job. But the problem is, is like that doesn't mean to your point that you're gonna want to work around Henry or like a personality type, someone who's always talking about work, who doesn't know how to relax, who doesn't want to take an interest in you or your family or anything about your life beyond work. I think that that's also a thing that, you know, as much as Eliza is self-centered a lot of the time and being like, I care about me, she is open. And I think that she gives off the presence of being approachable in a way that like Henry is for sure not, because you know, if you get stuck in a room or conversation with Henry, that it's gonna be probably really boring and also just be all about work and all about what he's saying because he's not gonna listen to what you're saying.

Speaker 1

And again, being an active listener is one of the most important soft skills because if you're not listening, you're not getting the situation or whatever is happening from every angle. You're just like, boom, my way. And it's like, no, sometimes your way needs edits. It needs here's some notes.

Speaker

Well, and also you don't want to work around someone who doesn't know how to relate to you in any way, shape, or form. And that's kind of the biggest like thing that I really liked seeing about this episode is Henry is like focused so solely on being the best fit for the job and how long this he's been working for this and how he deserves it so much. And like that can be true. He definitely is deserving of this promotion, but he is so focused on trying to sell why he needs this job and why he's a good worker, that he's not selling himself as a person.

Speaker 1

Like he's selling and he's not showing himself to be very adaptable. No, very important soft skill.

Speaker

Again, if you work at any job for any point in time, like for any length of time, you're going to realize that things will come up that you cannot anticipate, that you have to like go and do on the fly, that you have to figure out. And the idea is that, you know, Eliza's just like, you gotta loosen up. And she says this so repeatedly. And Henry dismisses her at every turn, being like, I don't think that this is important. You don't know what you're talking about. Like, this is what I've worked towards, like, this is what I want.

Speaker 1

When she yells at him to do one fun thing for himself today, I was like, Yes, thank you. He needs this.

Speaker

Because you need to have something apart from work. Because again, like Sam runs this company, but Sam has a life and a family and interests and hobbies. And he clearly wants to be around people who also have the same thing. Like Eliza's like, I have interests, I have hobbies, I'm willing to go with the flow. I was gonna just chill by the pool, but actually, this sounds really fun. Like, yeah, let's go, let's go on a walk to go see if we can see Oprah. Like, let's go do all of this stuff. So she is the kind of person who, and we'll talk about this in a little bit. The whole reason that Sam invited her is because he's like, I needed him to open up. I needed Henry to like prove that he's a person.

Speaker 1

Person up a bit. Yes.

Speaker

Like, he wants to see the flaws.

Speaker 1

It's okay to be flawed.

Speaker

Yes. And I would a hundred percent say that I would much rather work with someone who is like flawed and who is real than someone who pretends that they have it all together all the time. Because one, that person probably like takes work too seriously. And if something bad happens, their whole world crumbles, and I can't deal with that. I can't be responsible for dealing with the emotions of that person. And also, like, I want to know that I can trust you to be flexible. Like every single time.

Speaker 1

Can you be cool under pressure? That is the thing.

Speaker

Can you learn how to pivot if something doesn't go according to plan? Can you or will you freak out about like what do I do now that I only have one? Boot that is polished. Like, I don't know what to do. I don't know. And again, like Eliza's capable of making decisions. She waffles back and forth between what she's gonna do and then she makes an executive decision and says, both. I'm gonna do both. Like it's something silly, but it's also why she is clearly, again, good at her job as a salesperson, is because she has an energy and presence where people are like, oh, we wanna be around that. And the amount of people who dismiss people like that as not being as skilled as people like Henry. I think that it's just so interesting. It's also commentary on just like women versus men and that in the workplace. But like someone like Eliza is less likely to be taken seriously than someone like Henry in a corporate environment. But Eliza's actually the person who's gonna be really beneficial to you and your company and your bottom line because she knows how to have a life outside of work and she knows how to do her job and she knows how to do it really well. And Henry knows how to do his job well when everything is going exactly the way that it's supposed to, but the second something goes wrong, he doesn't. And you don't want someone like that in a crisis, you know? I don't.

Speaker 1

I mean, exactly. I'm just thinking about my work day, and I'm like, my workday starts off the rails, and then we just try to write this back onto the track. We just see what happens.

Speaker

Yeah, exactly. I think all of us, I mean, especially if you've been in a workforce for a longer period of time, like I cannot tell you the amount of times things have gone off of the rails in a job. And the fact that you just kind of have to roll with it and like not let it affect you if it's not something super big is a skill that Eliza has. And I think that that's really important, especially like in jobs today. Like you have to be able to go, okay, it didn't go according to plan, but I'm gonna move on from it and I'm gonna continue forward. You cannot let it be a roadblock that just completely destroys you and your whole day. And anyway, I think it's like a good example of what it's like to form relationships with people outside of work and what actually like good relationships look like. And it starts with like being a person, you know, like be a be a human being around other people, and people will like that. So and I I appreciated that about this episode, but I this is an episode again about Henry and Eliza's relationship. So I really kind of like that this this episode begins with her being upset about being a plus one again. She's a VIP, she's a VIP, she is nobody's plus one, but then she she pretty much adapts to it pretty quickly when she's like, oh, so many perks. I'm okay with it. I'm gonna I'm gonna be determined again. Another example. She rolls with it. She realizes that what she's gonna get out of this trip is fine, regardless of whether she's there as a VIP, a plus one, or just a random guest that they've chosen. She's like, it doesn't matter. I'm gonna get massages, I'm gonna get like breakfast, I'm gonna sit by the pool, and same. Honestly.

Speaker 1

I would do all of that.

Speaker

I would do all of that. Get all of the perks out of this weekend that you could. And I don't know what you think about this whole her whole little like little bit of angst, and then she's fine with it. And what did you think about the way that Henry kind of perceived her helping him for most of the episode versus like how they've related to each other before this point?

Speaker 1

Bless his dumbass heart. She truly like could not have helped him more. She was a joy to be around, like making things fun for everybody. Yeah. Really trying to set him up to have a good day. And because it didn't fit into his little box of a plan, that beautiful neurotic man, bless his heart. He's just like losing it because he didn't realize the point of the weekend. Yes. I have to laugh at that like beautiful dummy because first I I hate to be gendered, but men be oblivious sometimes.

Speaker

Yeah.

Speaker 1

He really isn't picking up anything. That is just his greatest flaw. And I did get mad at him whenever he called her a leech. I was just like, I'm gonna slap you, sir. I'm gonna fight you, look out for these hands. Because she's doing everything to help him and just like being a good friend, to the point she's like, There's a leech on your neck, and he's not listening. No, he's not. As established, he's not an active listener. He's just ready to tear her down because it's not going his way, like a big baby toddler.

Speaker

Well, he's blaming her for the whole, like, oh, this is all your fault. And she's like, I didn't make you jump into the lake, first of all. Man, you made that decision yourself. Do not put that squirrel on my. Absolutely nothing. She needs to learn nothing from Henry in this.

Speaker 1

She has all the strengths. This is her environment.

Speaker

And so, like, that's a nice little swap to begin with, is like, we're not doing the whole thing of like, oh, you teach me a lesson, I teach you a lesson. No, no, no. Because Henry's not listening, she keeps trying to teach the same lesson over and over again in this episode. In every way she can possibly explain it. She's trying to tell him, you need to loosen up, you need to go off book, you need to do a thing, you need to go with a float. Like every word she could possibly use, like, you need to chill. And he's blaming her for lying.

Speaker 1

She's having ideas have how to stay out of the way as well. And then people latch onto it because they're like, oh, this seems fun. And he blames her, and it's like, you can't stop greatness, my dude.

Speaker

You can't blame her for being a person that people want to be around. Isn't that what you should be aspiring to? But because it doesn't fit into his perceived idea of what a a good, promotable worker should be, he ignores her advice the entire episode. And like, again, oh look, the consequences of his own actions, but somehow finds a way to blame Eliza because he thinks what he perceives as what is actually like helpfulness, she he perceives as recklessness, and what is actually going with the flow. It's like, I perceive that as a weakness, and you're, you know, you're uncaring, like whatever the case is. And again, she was right. Eliza, no wrongs this episode. She was correct in what he needed to do, and he did not listen to her until the very end of the episode. And then, of course, he apologizes. But he took him the entire episode to learn how to be a person. Exactly. You know, beautiful dumb dumb. But I really like that we get the whole idea of like, oh, Henry's gonna be wrong this week, and it's it's good to see him have to learn how to be humbled, and also the idea of him being imperfect. I think him seeing not being like buttoned up and perfect as like a weakness. But he, if he even spent like five minutes listening to anything that Sam was saying instead of trying to like talk about his ideas, he would have understood that like Sam is imperfect as well. Like Sam's not looking for someone who is perfect, he's looking for someone he can actually have a genuine relationship with, and that's why he's a connection, someone who actually is going to be a person. And the only reason you got invited is basically because Eliza was gonna be there too. Otherwise, if Eliza wasn't a factor in any of this, Henry wouldn't have been invited to this weekend. He just wouldn't.

Speaker 1

No, he would have blown it by himself much earlier.

Speaker

Oh, yeah. Oh, much earlier. He would have spent the entire weekend not reading the social cues of how uncomfortable everyone was and bored with all of the talk of work stuff.

Speaker 1

So, I mean If that was us, I feel like we would get so creative for disappearing. Because we're both we are both so good at just like leaving a situation, like walking away. How many times did we go to the bathroom and just leave?

Speaker

That house is big enough that we could have hidden us. They couldn't find us until the end of the weekend.

Speaker 1

We'd be in the other wing. Yeah. By an indoor pool with air conditioning.

Speaker

Slowly walking from different room to room, avoiding because honestly, like, yeah, Henry is that co-worker. We'd be looking for the slipper chocolates. Henry is that that coworker you want to avoid because you're like, it's the weekend. I don't want to talk about work and I don't want to talk about this stuff. Like, da da da. I turn again, and some people have to work on weekends and have different schedules, but like my brain turns off work mode as soon as I shut my laptop and it does not start again until the next day. And that is incredibly healthy because I'm not getting paid to think about work on my time where I'm not at work. So I'm not gonna think about it. I'm gonna have a life. I'm gonna go do what my job pays me to do, which is have a life outside of work.

Speaker 1

And during the hours that you are told you have to be there.

Speaker

I do my job and then I turn my brain off, and then I go watch a TV show or read a book or spend time with my friends when I'm not doing work stuff.

Speaker 1

And we scroll Tumblr looking at the Spriterton stuff, even though that's like a year and a half away.

Speaker

We do scroll Tumblr um because this is the 2000s. Um we're elderly. We're elders. Uh, but yeah, I mean, everyone wants to be around a person who is more like Eliza than a person who is more like Henry when it comes to work, you know? So I love that Sam literally says that to Henry. He's basically like, I wanted you to become more of a person. What did you think about Sam literally actually having to spell that out for Henry?

Speaker 1

You know what? Sometimes you do have to be spelling things, you gotta write it in crayons sometimes because some people don't pick up on social cues and bless their hearts. You can try, but at a certain point you have to change your communication and just be very straightforward with some people. And that's okay. Maybe Henry just needs like clear, yeah, defined rules and guidelines to being a human, and that's okay. Bless his dumbass heart. I love him. He's an idiot, a beautiful idiot.

Speaker

I do think that there are people like that, and Henry is one of them. It has to be like, um, you need to spell everything out. There is no like wiggle room in terms of interpretation. Like, I invited you here, and it's after Henry like has his argument with Eliza and comes to the I don't know where they were, living room, kitchen, dining room, wherever they were, and is basically like, I am imperfect. And Sam's like, finally, that's what I wanted. I wanted a moment of being real. Yes. Because no one wants, we've talked about this a lot before. We've talked about this with Megan Gans and like other people on our podcast. No one likes a person or a TV character who is perfect. No one wants that. They're not relatable.

Speaker 1

You don't want to be soap opera characters are those perfect, sanctimonious, boring ass people that I hope crimes happen to them. That's why I treat I tree her for the villains. I'm like, oh, let Sheila Carter do a little murder for funsies today. I hope Leslie on Beyond the Gates just goes and yells at the fireman again. She calls him Mr. Stop, Drop and Roll. And I'm like, let her go terrorize somebody for a little funsies, have some personality. You just need to have flaws and personality because that makes you relatable. Yes, no one would. My flaw is like, you know what? I have ADHD. Good luck getting me to focus. But when I do focus, it's so hyper-focused.

Speaker

We've talked about this before. I am basically Annie Edison when it comes to being uptight with rigid schedules and things. I am very much of a perfectionist, and I need that is a flaw that I have. And I'm like, I need to be not that way sometimes. And no one wants someone who is perfect all the time. Because again, when you think about it, we've talked about this a lot before. You don't want to be vulnerable with someone who you perceive as having no problems. You want to be vulnerable with your friends who you're like, you get this, you get this like thing. I don't want to be expressing my fears and vulnerabilities to someone who has it all together because then your advice to me is not going to be rooted in our sameness. It's going to be rooted from a place of like, I am better than you. I am above this problem. I do not. So, like, you don't want TV characters, you don't want book characters or whatever who are perfect. They're not interesting. And so what Henry doesn't get is that Sam doesn't want someone who's going to work with him who is perfect and always thinks about work and is always on time and always has their shirt tucked in and is like perfectly buttoned up and is only ever thinking about work. No one wants that. And Sam doesn't want that. Sam wants someone who's going to come to his Santa Barbara house and ask about the lake that's out back or sit by the pool and have a conversation about a movie that they just watched. Like that's how relationships are formed. And you can't go deeper with someone who's only willing to talk about service level stuff, which work is. You can't have a relationship with someone who's only willing to go so far, and then you can't talk to them about anything real.

Speaker 1

Again, if you really want to make friends or connections with people, you gotta get a little weird.

Speaker

I agree. You really do. But, you know, Henry realizes that Eliza was right and he was wrong, and he's really sorry about that. And he gets his opportunity to ride a horse. I want to talk about this because this is what I remember most from this episode, which is John Cho on a horse. And I love the trope of a grand romantic gesture. I love I love it so much. So let's talk about John Cho as romantic lead as we unpack the apology that he makes to Eliza and then riding up to her on a horse.

Speaker 1

More men should get on a horse and then explain every single way they were wrong and just apologize like that to every single person they know. The world would be a better place, it would be peaceful, my dogs wouldn't be barking outside like they have been this entire episode. Like that man, first off, when I say beautiful idiot, emphasis on the beautiful because this man is so hot throughout the whole episode, especially in his little equestrian outfits as he's lounging by the pool. So I'm glad we got to put them to work. This was his runway. Truly, we need more romantic gestures like this. And I know, like, we take whatever romantic crumbs we can get, and people well, we're gonna have a slow burn episode and talk about romantic tropes in the future and talk quote unquote filler episodes, which is no, no, but we need more of this, just simple romantic stuff that it's like builds on the will they won't they. Like, what is happening here? This is like, yes, they're friends, but it is building on something more than friends. Like, would you do this for somebody who's just a friend? No, you would not. Oh, he wrote the crap out of that horse.

Speaker

Eliza appreciated that, and she is me because if someone wrote up to me on a horse and then apologized, I would be all for it. I'd be like, Exactly, let's get married. Like, exactly right there. I mean, and like, come on, I've grown accustomed to your face. Like, that's just like we we need more of this. I mean, we're gonna, we literally are like, we're gonna talk about this in a whole episode. So I'm gonna repeat this, but who knows how long we're gonna in the future we're gonna record this. So I think we do. We need more of a appreciation for like a slow burn, like actual genuine romance on television, especially when it comes to like TV comedies, there's not often an emphasis on it, or because we live in an era where TV shows are eight episodes long, like there's not always time to devote, but it there's something so special. And because this was an actual romantic comedy show, in that like the romance, I think I brought this up, like the idea of like Crazy Ex Girlfriend was kind of the same way where it was like the romance is a baked-in part of the show. We're not adding it on top of it, it's not like an afterthought. So I think like this is so great because this was such an explicit romantic moment so early on, and you're like, there's no other way to interpret that other than a romantic gesture, man.

Speaker 1

Like exactly. Like, people, you just don't understand. I think Abbott Elementary is the closest to really doing that to where they wait, like what, three seasons for somebody to get together? Like they have their dozen episodes, then like 22 episodes and whatnot. We used to have to wait years for like a kiss or a hug or something. And that's like builds on the tension every week. We're like, what's gonna happen this time? What's gonna happen? Oh my gosh, they looked at each other. So the fact that this is what episode five of the show, and we're just like, it's there's romance, there's things. Even in a romantic show, like I would say New Girl is a rom-com of a show in many ways, but even then they were making you hate. Yeah, you build that tension, and I like that this show was able to achieve so much of that tension in such a small amount of time.

Speaker

Yeah, it really is impressive. I again, also because I think, like, you know, uh again, not to be gendered here, but like women showrunners and you know, women kind of led shows a lot of the times, like have that sense of like we understand what these moments mean, like the gravity of them. And I do think that like having five episodes into a show, the main lead riding up to our main female lead on a horse, like apologizing, and then having like a meaningful look after it. Like, I love that they have the phone service comes back and he looks at her when she's not looking at him. That's one of my favorite tropes. It's also like another trope within a trope. There's the grand romantic gesture, and then there's like the he's looking at her while she's not looking at him trope, which I love that sub trope.

Speaker 1

And I just like fondly looking, like meaningful glance.

Speaker

Like that's what it is. And you're like, oh, because she's then getting, you know, again, let's not forget, she's with Freddie, and so she's getting, you know, pictures from Freddie, and she's getting the nudes, and she's like distracted, but she clearly has a reaction, like an emotional response. She played.

Speaker 1

Also, we know how she is with her emotional responses that are real. She dives back into her phone, which is part of the thesis of her show, is trying to get away from that. And I love that she reverts back to that because it's such a new deep emotion within her, that stare, and the fact that he broke it with the phone service.

Speaker

And she deflects with comedy because she like likes to do the thing that it's like, oh yeah, like you care about me, you like me, that kind of thing. And the whole I've grown accustomed to your face thing is just such a like also. I know we say that we say this a lot, but I'm gonna say it again still. Why why isn't John Cho the romantic lead in everything? Of everything. Like he's just he understands the yearning, he understands the looking and the feeling and the palpable tension that you have to have.

Speaker 1

And I just I feel like we're gonna be a John Cho comedy TV show podcast at one point because I feel like that was in Go On as well, where he got to be funny and kind of romantic a little bit.

Speaker

Oh my gosh, God bless him and Laura Benanti, like oh my gosh, light of my life. I'm just like it He has chemistry with everyone. He really does.

Speaker 1

And like it's to give him a little spitfire.

Speaker

It's so nice and refreshing to see something like this actually be a meaningful moment because you know, he does apologize. It's not just a grand romantic gesture, it's like the grand romantic gesture and the apology of like you were right and I was wrong, and I hurt you and I am sorry. And yeah, he runs the crap out of that horse. Like, she sees him coming too. I'm like, what would you do in that situation? You would just be like, What is happening? A man is riding up to me on a horse.

Speaker 1

What's happening?

Speaker

Yeah, I'm here for it. I'm a hundred percent gonna be there and standing there and waiting to see what happens next. But I love this. I think that again, the The things we've gotten up until this point have been a little bit more subtle, but I love that by episode five, you know, this show is not very long. So we don't have a lot of time to play with here if we're actually gonna try and build something meaningful. And they they're already doing it by episode five. And don't worry, there's another moment that I think about that'll come in a little bit. Real quickly, we'll touch on this when we actually do a longer episode about slow burn romances and things because you know, we are elders, we've been around for a long time, we know what it's like to wait.

Speaker 1

We're professional TV watchers.

Speaker

We are we are truly professional TV watchers, and we have been with ships for many, many, many years, and sometimes we have waited and there's been payoff, and sometimes we've waited and there has not been payoff. And so we've experienced all kinds of things, you know? Oh, yes. We have the the wealth of knowledge. We've been in the trenches, y'all. Y'all don't even know. You babies don't know, and by babies I mean just like literally, you you all are you're so young and we are so old. Uh that like we are elderly.

Speaker 1

I have truly rotated myself like a rotisserie chicken in my seat because I'm old and can't sit in the same spot for five minutes.

Speaker

I want us to just touch briefly on like why, even in uh a show that is explicitly romance, but especially on a show that isn't explicitly romance, like why is it important for us to be able to see scenes like this, even when it's as like as simple as this? Why is romance so important in shows? And what does a series lack, especially like a comedy, when they refuse to lean into romantic stories?

Speaker 1

I mean, uh Jennifer, answer this question. What's the first thing you think of when you hear the show friends? Is it Ross and Rachel? Monica and Chandler.

Speaker

Yes, Monica and Chandler.

Speaker 1

Exactly the correct couple.

Speaker

Yeah.

Speaker 1

But for most people, it's like Ross and Rachel. You think of every major TV show, like iconic TV show. There is a romantic couple at the core. Yes, it's I love Lucy, but it's Lucy and Desi. Come on. Dick Van Dyke show, come on. You know what Mary Tyler Moore's up to. So it's just there. Like romance is a part of our everyday lives. And yes, most people are finding it through apps or you know, putting their whole diaries online and hoping it works out for them. But that's the thing. We always want human connection. And I think the lack of romance in film and television, where if you're not incorporating that, I do think it's making really shallow viewers who have no idea like how to interact romantically with people. I do think this is a major problem. And so that's why I appreciate shows like Bridgerton that are so like romanticy forward. Like you need that fantasy sometimes. But also in your sitcoms, it's just a part of life. I loved happy endings because we got will they, won't they's with different couples and changing things up. Then we also had the like ideal couple with Jane and Brad. I know. We'll talk about happy endings one day. Oh, Jane and Brad. Like we loved Ted and Alexis, and it was heartbreaking when they broke up, but it was the right thing for them to do. And it's they broke up because they loved each other.

Speaker

Yeah. I think that like the notion, and I we talked a lot about this when we talked about community and how I always had a gripe with the idea that like romance wasn't as important as it was an afterthought. Yeah, it it can't be an afterthought. Like a punchline is is fine, a show that's funny is fine. I'm not saying like, oh, you need to all be like a romance show like a Bridgerton. No, not every show needs to be that, not every show should be that, and not every show can be that. Um, but what shows need to do is lean into the idea of human connection, like you said, human connected storytelling. You know, I root for David and Patrick so much in Shitt's Creek. Like, queer love stories are so important. And I think like if you're not a queer person in a queer relationship, if you're a straight couple, like and you see a queer romance, like queer romance is important. Like, regardless of whether or not you relate to every aspect of their story, there is something about their story that you resonate with because there's something about one of those characters or both of those characters that you resonate with. So I think, you know, I'm saying all of this, knowing that there are people out there who are aromantic or asexual. And like what I'm saying is the good stories in life are good because they tap into something human in each of us. Regardless of if that's your exact story or not, it doesn't need to be your exact story, which is why, again, always defending queer romance.

Speaker 1

Yeah. So every couple knows a you know a David and Patrick. It doesn't matter. You love them because David is like so self-centered and a mess and hates everything. And you love Patrick because he's just adorable and cute, but he does have his boundaries of what he will and won't do.

Speaker

Well, and David is the kind of person who hates everyone except the people he loves, and then he loves them so deeply, and like he's still a mess, but he's he grows so much by the end of the show. Same thing with Alexis. Like, and the reason that we gravitate towards romantic stories, and the reason that people ship so much is because there's something in it that taps into something within us. And if you take those stories out and say those are less important, and that's why, again, people who disparage romance novels as like less than, you're looking at you're basically looking at love stories and saying those are not as important as true crime books or these stories or whatever. And I think that people, it's so easy, especially like again, rom-coms. People dismiss rom-coms all the time as like lesser tier and not as important. And oh, they're not award-winning movies.

Speaker 1

Like hey, I watch soap operas, trust me. People disparage that, but Severance is just a days of our lives plot line from the 80s, and you will not tell me that it is prestige television. I remember did it better.

Speaker

I remember watching GLOW and having that like realization where Debbie's like, oh my gosh, wrestling is a soap opera. Like it's that moment where you have wrestling.

Speaker 1

Wrestling is drag, wrestling's a soap opera. You're creating stories.

Speaker

And do you know what happened? We again, if you watch Glow, you know what happened. She immediately was able to connect with what she was doing after that because she saw what it was, what it was doing, what it was accomplishing, and what it was achieving. And it tapped into something that she deeply understood. Romance, when is portrayed on television, in our books, in our movies, it taps into something within us that is a longing, that is a desire, that is a feeling, that is something that we know.

Speaker 1

And even if you're like asexual or aromantic, it taps into human connection. Yeah, and we connect and communicate with people. Yes, how you connect, how you communicate, how you live with people, and how like sometimes we just want them to like smush their faces together, like we do John Cho and Karen Gillan sometimes, you know?

Speaker

Look, sometimes I'm truly just like we how many times have we been like, these two people are hot? They should make out.

Speaker 1

Didn't we say that about Troy and Britta for the longest time than they actually did? And we're like, yeah, we won. Yeah, and then they wasted it.

Speaker

You know what? Top people kissing. Yeah, we're fine. Like again, and I think that like uh I could I I'm gonna unpack this a lot more when it comes to our romance stuff, but like the idea of like, why can't characters just stay platonic? Well, okay, sure, there's gonna be characters that do stay platonic, but like we're gonna we're gonna break down what when people start to say that about specific characters and yeah, which characters do you want to stay platonic, huh?

Speaker 1

Which demographics? Yeah.

Speaker

Maybe examine that. Um, so I think that what I love is that the show, you know, again, I lament I want more like romantic comedy television in my life. And so I think that this is one of those things where I'm like, I'm just so glad that there was a show that existed, even if it only existed for a short period of time, that really tapped into what I specifically want out of my television. And like, it was funny and it's like smartly written. So anyway, uh, we are going to have a longer episode about this, but I do think, like, you know, if you have been the kind of person who's just not really, you know, romantic novels or rom coms or whatever hasn't really been your thing, but you still appreciate it and see its value, thank you. Like horror movies are not gonna be my thing, but I see their value, I see their place. It's just not something that I will engage with because that's just not my personality. We're not saying you have to love a rom-com, you have to like watch all of them and but I'm just saying, I mean, um, Chelsea's saying that. But I think if you are able to recognize the value that they bring and that they they hold as much value and they can hold as much value to someone as something beloved to you does, then that's all I ask. And I really just want attractive people kissing.

Speaker 1

I have I mean it's all we want.

Speaker

It's a low bar.

Speaker 1

And they just make out a little bit at the end of every episode. That's just the end tag. It doesn't even have to be canon.

Speaker

Just my just my low bar to clear. So um that's what we've got for this episode. Do you have anything else that you would like to add, Chelsea? I put this in our document so I wouldn't forget.

Speaker 1

I really missed Academy Award winner, Da'Vine Joy Randolph. In this episode, I feel like she was the only thing that was missing. Just imagine her. I mean, first off, best dressed person the year she won her Oscar. Like every red carpet, immaculate. Imagine her looking like the bad bitch she is, just pool side with her pineapple to go, having the best time, unbothered. The housekeeping staff is watching the kid. Great kid to bring him to. Like, she deserves a weekend. That could have been the end tag of her just being there the whole time and having a great weekend.

Speaker

Oh my gosh, that would have been incredible. And be like, oh, this house is so big. Charmonique, you're here too. Like, yeah.

Speaker 1

When I get my TARDIS, I have to fix a few things. There we go. That's in the top 25.

Speaker

All right. Wow, cracking the top 25. I'm I'm impressed, but you know what? I'm I'm here for it. Um, yeah, that is, I agree. Um, well, that is our episode. That's even hell has two bars. Um, Chelsea, we're gonna wrap things up and then we have our last fun social media centered question. But before we do, uh, what is a piece of media? It can be either a book or a TV show, a film, podcast, etc., from either a black or indigenous or person of color creator, andor featuring either black or indigenous or person of color folks that you would like to encourage our listeners to consume this week.

Speaker 1

Okay, because I have a Doctor Who podcast and I've been consuming all the British television, Mandip Gill, one of my favorite companions from Doctor Who, had this great show come out this past fall. I'm like, what is time? What is time called Cooper and Fry, and it's like not cozy mystery, but it's like a fun detective story, we'll say. And it's only four episodes. They're about an hour and a half long, so it's like a little movie each time, and they like solve their cases, and it has my favorite evil gay guy as like her partner on this show, and it's really fun, may might not be the best word for it. Like the episodic crimes are kind of fun, just seeing how it goes because it's like a lot of folklore stuff comes into it, but it's a really good drama, and I encourage everyone to watch it. I hope it gets another season.

Speaker

Nice. We have mentioned in this episode and previously that we have returned to Tumblr because it is, you know, the year 2000 and whatever. But on my return to Tumblr, don't ask me what I was doing in 2023 that I missed the first season of this. But my Tumblr started to get populated with gifs from One Piece, the live action uh adaptation.

Speaker 1

That's a very popular show.

Speaker

It is real fun. Like the first season came out in 2023, so don't ask me what I was doing that I missed the first season's debut. The second season came out this year, which is why uh Tumblr kept feeding it to me. I had such a great time. It's like the perfect blend of and uh to to be clear, I did not follow the manga series or the animated series. I know that this is an incredibly popular series. The cast is so fun.

Speaker 1

There's just a lot of younger actors that you just don't know who they are and stuff, and it's great discoveries, Jen.

Speaker

Yes, it is, but I will tell you to bring it full circle back to our uh discussion about Bridgerton. Season two of One Piece has Charithra Chandran in it, and she is fantastic and so much fun. So I really like if you're looking for something that is a really good mix of drama and incredible, by the way, stunt choreography fight sequences. I appreciate that so much on television, and especially in the show. It's so good. And from people, from what I've seen online discourse of people who did follow the animated series and who are fans of the manga, it's incredibly like an incredible live-action adaptation of that. So it seems like they really put in the care and time to develop a series that was very true. And it's just like it's such a great blend of all kinds of things. And just go watch the first two seasons. I they did get renewed for another season, so there will be more of it. And I had a great time. Like I didn't know what to expect at all going in, and I had the best time not knowing anything about the show going in to watching something.

Speaker 1

Isn't that the best? When you really start watching something and you're like, wait, I mean, this we have here.

Speaker

It doesn't often happen to me, which is because of what we do and have done for so many years, of like being so invested in television and pop culture spaces. Usually I know so much about something before I watch it.

Speaker 1

There's a thing though, Netflix don't tell you when their shows come out. It's just like an Ouija board.

Speaker

You just open the app and you're like, oh, guess that's here now. Uh but yeah, it I truly did not know what to expect going in, didn't know really any of the plot. And I had a great time.

Speaker 1

So and one more thing to promote um for the community fans, Irene Choi is on season two of The Pitt. She is one of the medical students who actually has boundaries with her job. Love that for her. She's so cool. Uh, what a bad day they're having in the pit.

Speaker

What a stressful show that you know, I'm not saying to watch. We talked about this pre-recording, and I was like, I can't handle this. I just, it's not my, it's not, I can't do like gore and blood and all that. No, and I just know that it's too much.

Speaker 1

Honestly, you would want to fight so many of the men. All the women are innocent.

Speaker

Yeah. Um, but anyway, so yeah, go check out our recommendations. Um, Chelsea since it's been so long, not only have you added dogs to your repertoire, you've also added podcasts that you're doing. So please tell everyone where they can find and follow you. What are you talking about these days and where?

Speaker 1

Do I have more podcasts or do I have more dogs? We will never know. Ooh, yeah. Like, I can't count, they all move so fast. But I am Chels 725 on the blue sky and serialized, occasionally letterboxed, mostly for when I do podcast homework. I don't actually log my recent watches anymore. I don't want to be perceived. And then podcasts. I have the Q Division, a James Bond movie marathon podcast with previous guest of this feed, Gavin, who is the best, does 99.8% of the work. I am the Eliza, I am the personality hire. I come in to have a good time and read our notes like Ron Burgundy, and I will read exactly what's in front of me. It's hilarious. Let's see. What other podcasts do I have? I have Shh My Stories Are On, where we talk about like all kinds of TV shows that are happening right now. Everything from drag race to the terrible season of the traitors, soap opera updates, which we have an interview that should be out by the time this is out, with Daytime Legend, head writer of The Young and the Restless, Miss Kay Alden, who is an icon, a bad bitch, basically defined daytime television for a new generation. She's so cool. And then I have Across the Whoniverse, a Doctor Who Marathon podcast with our friend Paige, where we're going through all the episodes and new who. We might have Little TARDIS adventures where we look at the comics or other expanded universe stuff, because there's so much Doctor Who, and it's as the horrors of the world just increase, we're just going back to our stories. And Doctor Who is just one of those stories that makes us feel better. Jen, we're gonna get you on. Don't you worry.

Speaker

I know. I I already submitted, I think at some point, an episode, episodes I know that are so far in the future, but you have me for whatever you need me for before.

Speaker 1

Exactly. And we'll circle back to it at the end of this recording.

Speaker

I like how we just said we'll circle back after we talked an entire episode about work and like work, workplace comedy. I know. What a phrase. Circling back is the worst thing.

Speaker 1

So yeah, we're just Across the Whoniverse on all platforms, including Tumblr, Instagram, Blue Sky. So everyone go check that out. And then I have a bunch of guest appearances on The World According to Glenn, a Glenn Close podcast where I've talked about some of her TV movies, and I might be talking about more stuff in the future. And then I will be on the mixed reviews again this year. So everyone, look out. I think that's it. I don't know.

Speaker

You have so many. You just keep adding them. Again, by the time this is out, who knows how many more dogs and/or podcasts you will have.

Speaker 1

Exactly. We can hear them all barking right now.

Speaker

And she's talking about the dogs, not the podcasts, but who's to say? I mean, no, no. Um, we are on both Instagram and Blue Sky. We are pretty much crickets over on Blue Sky because life has been a lot. We're And a Rewatch over there, and then And a Rewatch Pod over on Instagram. Jamie and I are now past Cooler, but don't worry, we're still talking about Cooler because the show still talks about Cooler.

Speaker 1

We're not talking about Cooler.

Speaker

The show continues to talk about the kiss for the entire rest of season two. So so will we.

Speaker 1

If you ever stopped talking about Cooler, I would be like, she has been taken over by an alien. This is her sign.

Speaker

That's how you know. That was like that meme that went around where it was like, How will you know if you've been kidnapped? Like, you know, I it would be a phrase of like, I think I'm done talking about Cooler. I don't need to say anything else. You'd be like, something bad has happened to Jenny.

Speaker 1

I would be like storming things worse than the F the B in the eye.

Speaker

Yeah. So I uh I truly am so excited to continue to talk about New Girl. We're gonna have some of our friends on, some returning guests, some new friends, because the back half of season two, as we've talked about of New Girl, is so good. Um, as we've alluded to, Chelsea and I are gonna try and do some more fun things. And I don't know, maybe I'll sneak in another uh tragically cancelled just TV show recording at some point.

Speaker 1

It's just not life at this point, it really is.

Speaker

It's sad. I need to talk about some of these TV shows that, you know, so many of us have forgotten because they're no longer available on streaming services.

Speaker 1

Legitimate places if you're meeting. You know I got really upset that.

Speaker

Yeah, exactly. Um Chels so lovingly sent me the first season of Single Parents, and I'm so glad that she did because I looked on Hulu and it's no longer on Hulu. So that's where it wasn't the last time. You know?

Speaker 1

They didn't make a DVD.

Speaker

They probably didn't. That's the problem. Uh so anyway, we'll talk more about uh about our favorite TV shows as the rest of the year and summer goes on. Uh, our last question, because this is a show that really leaned into social media, is uh, what is a positive or memorable interaction or memory that you've had thanks to social media? Um, I have one that I can say because I'm looking at it because it is in my guest room, which is that I think it was right before the series wrapped in its entirety. Um, the New Girl then Twitter account, um, which I will always call Twitter, had like a contest where you could win something from the set. And I did not win that contest, but the account reached out because I had had screeners and I had done I had done like press coverage of the show and reviews of the show for so long that they said, Hey, we know you didn't win, but we want to offer you something still. So can we mail you something from the set? So I have the what are they officially called? Is there a name for like the the canvas that goes on the back of like the chairs onset that has people's names. Is there a name for that? I don't know. There probably is. There probably is a is the the chair. The chair, the chair thing. The chair thing. There might be a name for it. I should have looked that up. But anyway, so I have the chair back thing for Erin O'Malley. So that was that was really fun. So I have Erin O'Malley's uh from the actual set of New Girl. So shout out to the whoever ran the New Girl Twitter account back in the day and was doing those contests because now I actually have this called the director's chair thing. Yeah, it I mean it works. Yeah, it works. Um Erin was a director and executive producer, and then also would go on to be an EP on another Liz Meriwether and JJ Philbin show that we just talked about single parents. So uh yeah, so now I have that, and that's literally sitting in my house, which makes me excited whenever I see it. So there's that. Chelsea, anything that you have that you can think of.

Speaker 1

Oh my gosh. I mean, one of my favorite actresses followed me on Twitter like shortly before I think we all got off of there. So Oh really? The Oscar season of Killers of the Flower Moon. I am the lunatic that, yes, that is a great, beautiful movie, Lily Gladstone. I mean, deserved to win robbed. My favorite movie she made was a Sundance movie that year, and I just literally would not shut up about it every so often. I guess Lily Gladstone must have searched the movie or somebody showed her because then she followed me on social media. I remember and I feel like I probably texted you and a few other people. I gotta start behaving. Yeah. I got like I got some sense. Do you do you remember though?

Speaker

Yeah, back in the day. Back in the day, whenever someone like famous or with a blue check would follow you, you're like, what have I done?

Speaker 1

Not only that, like I also just think of every random celebrity interaction I had on Twitter, like Melanie Lynskey. We had a great interaction in like 2010 or something.

Speaker

Oh yeah, like so many people from TV.

Speaker 1

I would like share Janet Varney's podcast because I like just her podcast, because a bunch of actresses I liked were her first guests. And then like she reached out to me, like sent me some gifts, and I ended up emailing and having correspondence with her, and she helped me on one of my papers for a media class. I got to interview her for. I mean, I think Legend of Korra rules.

Speaker

I remember talking about another tragically canceled TV show. Do you remember Robin Williams replied to me because I was watching The Crazy Ones and tweeted about The Crazy Ones episode? And he actually replied to me, and I was like, Oh my gosh, this is my childhood replying to me. What do I do with this information? Like, what do I do with this information now? Like, what how and like you're scrolling through your feed being like, uh, did I just post like about my lunch? Like, what what interesting things have I said recently?

Speaker 1

I do think the craziest one was on the day of Joe Biden's inauguration. Uh the Parks and Recreation account retweeted me.

Speaker

That's right. And you had to mute that because it was.

Speaker 1

I had to delete it off of my because it wouldn't, it kept crashing.

Speaker

That was how you knew. I that happened a couple of times.

Speaker 1

I had like a quarter of a million retweets. And I'm like, I'm just deleting it. Like let me know what happens.

Speaker

I have to delete this app because every time I open it, it just crashes now. So like we can't know. So it what a time.

Speaker 1

What a time a few times. Like after let's just say after the first election, I had something similar go viral, and I also had to delete the app.

Speaker

The first election of the United States? That's how long you've been alive?

Speaker 1

Yes, that's exactly. I've been alive longer than that, please. But you know the first election.

Speaker

I'm yeah, I know what you mean. It's just really funny the way you freeze it was the first election, like you were alive for the first presidential election.

Speaker 1

I was. What are you talking about? I'm 84,000 years old.

Speaker

You, your skin looks amazing. You gotta drop the skincare routine.

Speaker 1

So water, Sprite chill, gatorade light, coffee. Wash your face.

Speaker

Yeah. Oh, so great. Um, well, Chelsea, this has been a pleasure. It's been so much fun. I'm glad we're talking about this show. I hope that people can find this show to re-watch it with us or just like bask in the memories of watching these episodes with us.

Speaker 1

So and if you need the show, just you know, let me know.

Speaker

We have an email address that is dropped into our uh our show notes. So there's an email address. So, you know.

Speaker 1

Or like message one of my podcast ones. Well, email me.

Speaker

Yeah, you got it. Chelsea help you. So, yeah, this has been so much fun. Thanks so much, everyone, for listening, and we will see you next time.