A Vulnerable Conversation about Work-Life Balance

Episode 138: The work-like balance is essential to maintain a healthy lifestyle, however, it is easier said than done! Vonda and Lori discuss some current balance challenges and offer a few realistic tips to help you regain control.

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SPEAKER_00 0:03

And that's what she was doing, right? Exactly. It was that balance. She has a balance, but it's interesting, I've never heard anyone say that the balance caused a failure. Welcome to the Business and Pleasure of Flowers. We're your hosts, Vonda LaFever.

SPEAKER_01 0:28

And Lori Wilson. And we believe that business and fun are a perfect combination. Kind of like us, Vonda.

SPEAKER_00 0:39

Oh my gosh, Lori, it's so good to see you again.

SPEAKER_02 0:42

I know. I miss you. I feel like I haven't like had a Vonda conversation. I don't know. It's been a couple, maybe not a couple weeks. It just feels like a couple weeks. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

It does. It's we have both been so busy since you and Ellie were at NextGen and I was in Arizona. And then we come back and there's like all these personal things we have going on. Yeah. Projects with work. It's just like, whoo, that's right.

SPEAKER_02 1:10

You and Ellie flew in, and your family was already there.

SPEAKER_00 1:14

Like waiting.

SPEAKER_02 1:15

We're starting to come in as we landed, that's for sure. So you hit the ground running. Um, and then I got home, had a couple like two-day turnaround, and then had to drive with my husband, Oklahoma, to visit my mother-in-law and my dad. Um, and then ended up bringing my dad back with me for a while. So it's been um interesting trying to balance. We talk all the time in our company about how privileged we are to be able to be remote, right? Work from anywhere. But you and I both know it is harder than it looks like when I'm working from someone's house. I don't have all my screens, I don't have my private office, you know, it's just harder.

SPEAKER_00 2:06

Oh, it is. It's it's really challenging to actually do the work when you're not in your space, right? So to speak. Yeah. I mean, whether I'm in a hotel room or I'm in my office, or I'm displaced to another room in my house. Right. Like you. Yeah. It's like when you're at somebody else's house, that whether you're in a dining room table or I got I got a back guest room.

SPEAKER_02 2:26

My husband stole the dining room first. It was like a first come, first serve, and he set up shop there. And then you, all your sons were there, and Ellie and her boyfriend, and you're having to like rent out your office space. Like when people have meetings in the sign-up sheet, who gets the private office? And everybody has to move. But you know, it is what it is. But you called me yesterday and said, Hey, we gotta do a podcast. I was like, I know it. And the first thing I said to you when you called was, I miss you. I know. And then you said, Maybe we need to talk about this work life balance thing. Um, because if you and I are feeling it, I know many people actually I had a conversation yesterday. I was telling you about a guy um that I think is getting ready to become a clicker. Uh, and he was at Next Gen, and then he had to leave next gen early. He was there for part of the last day, and then had to fly out because it was family vacation week. And so when I was talking to him yesterday, we were zooming. I was like, man, you missed like the most fun night. And he's like, I know, I keep seeing the pictures. So we had this conversation. He's like, I'm trying to like balance, but you always look at the other side and like, I wish I could have stayed there, but you have to go be with your family on their vacation.

SPEAKER_00 3:53

Right, right. I think we've talked about this before the work-life balance. Yes, we have. But this last two weeks, we have just been like so living it, right? And right trying to get through, and you know, because we have the family, right? We have work, day-to-day work, but also projects that we're trying to laundry too.

SPEAKER_02 4:16

I mean, like normal, you know, cleaning stuff. Um, so yeah, so I started reading some things last night, and I started reading some more things today, and I gotta say, uh, this this whole topic makes me feel quite vulnerable because typically when I'm reading information for our podcast, I'm like, okay, what's gonna be great for the listeners, right? Like, what might they be where might be their pain point? But talk about feeling convicted as I'm reading through this. I'm like, oh my gosh. The thing about work life balance for me personally, every article I read, every YouTube video, every TED Talk, every bit of information where they talk about the balance and you prioritize it and you do goals and you do all these things, it sounds so much easier than it truly is. True. Absolutely good. I because I'm like, I don't see myself as a workaholic. I truly don't. I picture those people in movies that are portrayed as the work. I'm like, I'm not like that. And then as I'm reading through this, I'm like, am I?

SPEAKER_00 5:35

I don't mean to be. Do you know what I think it is? Because I was experiencing this last week when all of this was going on. I was just feeling this feeling of being overwhelmed. Right. And I want my safe space was work. Yes, yes, and I was prioritize things. And I think what it is, Lori, we feel like when we're here in our office, we're doing our work, we're in control of that part of our lives. Oh, yeah. Where we're when you're working with your dad and you're working with, you know, family, and I'm working with family, we're not in control of that. It's more chaotic, maybe, than we're used to. And this right here in front of our podcast, we know in our desk, yeah, we're in control.

SPEAKER_02 6:24

Yeah, no, that's that's very true. And I will take what you said even to a bit of a deeper level for me, not only control, but when I'm in my like, you know, hanging out with my dad, who has Alzheimer's, we know, and it's you know, I'm he's here with me for a while because my he my sister takes care of him, and uh, she needed just a little time, well deserved. But when you when I am face to face with the reality of what's to come, right, feelings come up, right? And you're like, no, no, no, no, I can't, I can't stop crying. I can't, so I'm gonna go to work. And so, yes, control, I can control where what I do in my office, but it's also I'm trying to control my feelings and maybe pretend that reality isn't existing. I don't know. I don't know, but that's so true, Lori. Absolutely, and I think a lot of us do that. I think bus small business owners, you know, you kind of start out that way because you're trying to grow a business, right? You own a flower shop, you are the one that has to pay the bills, so you work, work, work, work, and we get in this habit, and it's hard to get out of the habit.

SPEAKER_00 7:47

Yeah, yeah. So I think what I found myself doing, and I'm sure you have as well, and anybody who go is going through the struggle, whether you're owning a flower shop, whether you're working outside of your home every day, is really you have to prioritize, you know, it is what is the most important thing. Is it your work? Is it something you have to get done? Is it family? Um, you know, what are the non-negotiables? I think that's what we have to look at first is what is that non-negotiable in your life? And it's like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:21

That's a hard you're right. And every article that I read, that's the secret. Number one, prioritize. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:30

Again, that's easier said than done, right? Oh, totally. But you know what is interesting because I look at our staff calendars because we're on Google Calendar, you can see how everybody thinks, and I love that Cammy especially puts all the things on there that are pretty much non-negotiables for her with her girls. You know, here they're doing baseball, they're doing here, there, and she does a really good job at working that in, and she knows she has to get the work done. So a lot of times, you know, eight, nine o'clock at night, she's doing what she needs to do to get it done. Right. Um, so it's making a conscious decision. And believe it or not, you do that, Lori. We're on a meeting, your phone rings, and if it's your sister or your dad, you go, you just put up the phone for like one minute. Right. And we all do that right every Wednesday. My other calls. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, guys, I gotta go. You gotta go.

SPEAKER_02 9:32

You just we mute ourselves and get on there because you're like, this could be great news or bad news. I gotta take this.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

Right. Or sometimes it's just you need to have that conversation, and so you do prioritize your family in many ways, right? As as we all do, which is what it should be. So I think we have to make that conscious decision, one, which we have, and I think sometimes you don't give yourself credit for that, too. Well, I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_02 10:03

I will tell you, for me personally, though, prioritizing, even though you know, husband family comes first on paper, there are times it's hard. I don't wanna. Yeah, right. I mean, I'm just being real. I don't want here, here's an example, and this is so trivial, okay? But this is, you know, again, I am an obliger, right? And in a I am that team player. I always need to know that I'm helping or being of service, right? This is my cross to bear, and I know that, and it can go a little wacky. So, like I said, my dad's here, and I'm looking through our work calendars, and I'm you know, wrapping my head around it, and I see photo shoot, and I'm like, oh no, that's I need to help them, and my dad's here, and conflict in my heart because I'm thinking I'm not I'm not being helpful, yet I am being helpful because I'm helping my own dad. Like, you know, but I it's it is a funny feeling to me to have to pick both are fun. Well, not one is fun and energizing and creative, and just I leave happier than when I got there, right? The other is beautiful and hard and sad and funny and all of those things too, right? And so I I I'm saying this not because I want pity, but I think people listening, we feel almost we beat ourselves up, right? Because we feel like we don't prioritize my priorities, they are hard. I don't know which one I want. Selfishly, I want this one. But but my heart says, no, this is where you're to be. I don't know. It's just it's a struggle for me.

SPEAKER_00 12:15

I don't think you're alone in that, Lori. I think the struggle is so hard. Um, as a business owner, think about that. I'm you own your own shop, you know, you're the owner of the business, or maybe you're the designer or a manager, and you're supposed to work set hours and you're conflicted because your children have something going on, or you're you need to help take care of a parent. Right. And then you have to go, okay, wait a minute. Can my job be adjusted to be able to really fit those priorities? Because if I if I have a designer working for me and she really needs to take a parent to doctor's appointments or something, right? I'm going to say, okay, let's make an adjustment. When do you need to be there? Right. Who can we have come in and help that? Because you don't want them to feel conflicted and not want to come to work. Right. Right. Because we need really good employees. Right, right. We've got to support each other. You have to support each other, right? Choices that are being made as an owner, as a designer, you know, right. An employee. No, you're right.

SPEAKER_02 13:23

I want to read a quote. Um, I saw this video on YouTube. It was a commencement speech. I cannot remember the college, but it was spoken by Shonda Rhymes. She created Gray's Anatomy scandal. Like, you know, she has a whole production company called Shonda Land. Like, she's a big deal. She's a very big deal. So she was giving this commencement speech. And it says, People always ask me, Shonda, how do you do it all? The answer is, I don't. Whenever you see me somewhere succeeding in one area of my life, that almost certainly means I'm failing in another area of my life. If I am killing it on a script for work, I'm probably missing bath and story time at home. If I'm at home sewing my kids' Halloween costumes, I'm probably blowing off a rewrite that I'm supposed to turn in. If I'm accepting a prestigious award, I'm missing my baby's first swim lesson. If I'm at my daughter's debut in her school musical, I am missing Sandra O's last scene ever being filmed at Gray's Anatomy. If I am succeeding at one, I'm inevitably failing at the other. That's the trade-off. That's the bargain one makes with the devil that comes with being a powerful working woman. It could be a man too, but she's talking who is also a powerful mother. You never feel a hundred percent okay. You never get your sea legs, you're always a little nauseous. Something always feels lost. And yet, I want my daughters to see me and know me as a woman who works. I want that example set for them. I like how proud they are when they come to my office and know that they come to a place called Shonda Land. There's a land and it is named after their mother. In their world, mothers run companies. In their world, mothers own Thursday nights. That's all their TV shows. In their world, mothers work, and I am a better mother for it. The woman I am, because I get to run my company, because I get to write all day, because I get to spend my days making up things that that woman is a better person and a better mother. Because that woman's happy, that woman is fulfilled, and that woman is whole. I wouldn't want them to know me any differently. I love that. I know it made me cry.

SPEAKER_00 16:02

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 16:03

And I'm like, that it's weird. Gets me so emotional because when I heard her speak this, it made it validated my feelings. Like she's absolutely right. When I am caring for my father, who I love, I am missing out on a fun photo shoot because those are my people, right? Right. It's okay to feel, or when I am at a photo shoot and my sister's texting me, my dad's having a bad day. It's okay for me to feel I'm missing out. I'm not helping. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

It's it's just validating those feelings.

SPEAKER_02 16:45

It's validating that we're human, right? Right. And there is no perfect scenario. Something's always gonna have to be second.

SPEAKER_00 16:55

Something has to give, as they already said.

SPEAKER_02 16:57

Something's gotta give. Something has gone to give. And hopefully, to me, the trick is to take turns at what gives what you have to lower, right?

SPEAKER_00 17:08

And that's what she was doing, right? Exactly. It was that balance. She has a balance, but it's interesting. I've never heard anyone say that the balance caused a failure. And she really definitely feels like she is totally failing at one thing to be able to succeed at another. Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

Well, in that moment. In her mind, she had a board show, and she's clearly not bathing her children and telling them bed, but you're failing in that particular moment, right? We all sure fail at things. I failed to clean my toilets yesterday. It was on my list, but then your bed looked so nice and comfortable. And I was like, I'll do it later. I failed. I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that. Right.

SPEAKER_00 17:59

Because they're always gonna be there, they're still there, and I still haven't cleaned them. Right. Unlike your children as they're growing up, right? You're not going to be able to recoup that moment again.

SPEAKER_02 18:09

Right. Or, you know, this morning, instead of me cleaning the toilets, I drank coffee with my 87-year-old father.

SPEAKER_00 18:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:18

And talked a little bit about the day. And then his brother, who's 10 years younger, came and picked him up. And I got to sit and listen to them tell me their different stories about when they were in the army. And they were funny. And Vonda, I've heard the stories many times, but I'm just so happy to hear, you know, my dad can remember those things. He can't remember what we had for breakfast, but he can remember the way past.

unknown 18:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:50

And so I chose that over prioritizing my laundry this morning, getting a couple of loads in because I didn't want to miss that moment. Because I know those moments are going to be very few.

SPEAKER_00 19:03

Right. Yeah. I'm I didn't do a whole lot of laundry last week because I failed at it. And that's a good idea. Exactly. And my house because I wasn't getting things done with playing grandchildren. Yes. The the family had a 5K run. Yes. And so which was hilarious. It was hilarious. I'll be back with the seven and five-year-old and filled the buckets of ice water so that we could throw them on when they returned. Yes. So those kind of things. It's just like, okay, you know, yes. I'll watch my email if Lori and Cammy and everyone needed to be. We needed, yeah. It's all fine. Everybody's got everybody's back in that case. But yes, I did fail on those things, but I succeeded in the the important thing with family.

SPEAKER_02 19:52

Right. I think we're afraid to use the word failed, like failure. But you know, we need to normalize that we fail things, right?

SPEAKER_00 20:03

I mean, there's so many other things out there. Sure.

SPEAKER_02 20:04

That's can we normalize this and that? I'm like, you know what? Can we normalize that when I'm succeeding at one thing, I might be failing at the other. And then my prayer is that the next day maybe those will flip-flop and eventually balance out a little bit. That's balance. That's balance. That's balance. Right. The other thing I read, and I read this a million times, it's in a lot of books I read, and going back to my scenario of feeling like I'm missing out, the thing that I have to remind myself too, realizing that when I say, No, I can't, I'm sorry, I that opens up an opportunity for someone else. Yeah, I'm using, you know, to say, hey, I'd like to try. I want to do that. And I learned that very early on because I was such a yes girl. Look when I would volunteer at church. You know how church volunteers are once you say yes, you are like on that rotation call, call, call. And it was just becoming too much. And I realized it's okay to say no. They'll just go to the next person. Maybe that person can say yes.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

And that's what needs to be done because it gives somebody else that opportunity. Right.

SPEAKER_02 21:28

Um, so these are key points if people want to walk away with these. I don't know. So we talked about prioritize. We didn't talk touch on this, but I think it's important, especially for brick and mortar business owners, leave your work at work.

SPEAKER_00 21:48

If you can it sounds great, but it's not possible.

SPEAKER_02 21:52

Well, I'm telling you, this is what all the rules say leave work at work. Well, it's not possible for us because we Work from home from home. So true. This never stops. But if you can get yourself to a stopping point in your business, even if you do have to stay an hour late to finish up just a little bit, if you can leave, if you're going home to small kids and a spouse and all of the stuff, maybe bargain with yourself, all right, three days a week, I am not taking home work. But three, the other three, I have to.

SPEAKER_00 22:34

I mean, yeah, no, I hear what you're saying, and I wish that was the case. But it's maybe you're not actually doing work when you're home, but it's always on your mind.

SPEAKER_02 22:44

Oh no, I agree. I I especially business owners, you know, you it I'm not even a business owner, and it's always at the forefront of my mind. But I think if you can maybe not bring physical work home, yeah, right, that would be helpful. I don't know. The next one they talk about is clarify your values. I don't know, that's kind of the priorities, values, those are all kind of merged together. Um, and I think we talked about that prioritizing with family and work. You if if you can do the little up and down, one day this one, one day this one, I think that's okay. Yeah, yeah, that's reality.

SPEAKER_00 23:29

And number four, know your limits. It's okay to say no. That's what I have down. Make sure that you're saying no because there's certain things that you when you get that priority, or when you've made your priorities, then you have to look at it and go, no, that's not one on my list. Right. And I would as much as I'd love to do it, I can't.

SPEAKER_02 23:51

Yeah. After Ellie and I gave our presentation at NextGen, one thing that was so fun for me is strangers coming over, you know, anytime we had a break time, introducing themselves and saying, I'm an obliger, just like you, or I'm a this, I'm a questioner. But the obligers always had that same question of how do I say no? And here was my answer because I read this in a book, the author, Jen Hatmaker's book. I think it's called For the Love. It's one of hers. She's written lots. But she said, when somebody asks you something, if the first thing in your mind isn't hell yes, it should be no. She's talking about a busy woman that is trying to work, mom, everything. So, you know, take that for and but that is, I'm like, well, I'm gonna quote one of my favorite authors, and they're like, that's perfect. Like, think about it. So I'm gonna ask you something, just like Ellie and I being asked to speak it next year, and we're like, hell yes, like fun, you know. But if it's I don't know, what I would say is, when do you need my answer? Train yourself instead of going, yeah, okay, thing. When when do you need an answer?

SPEAKER_00 25:21

That's a good response. Bill McKinley, who is at Texas AM, yeah, he and I had this conversation. Ellie was a baby, I remember. Oh, really? He's like, you know, because he is an obliger, I do believe. Yeah, he doesn't even have to take the quiz. And then we talked about it, and he's like, Yeah, if you can't say hell yes, just say no. And he said it's the hardest thing ever.

SPEAKER_02 25:46

Right, right. So but I also think sometimes if you're an employee, because some of these people I talked to were employees, and they're like, My boss wants me to work late, and you know, these kind of things. Um, and I said, if you're not comfortable at that moment saying no, yet your heart tells you I don't want to do it, say, when do you need me to let you know?

SPEAKER_00 26:08

I love that, Lori.

SPEAKER_02 26:09

That is perfect. It affords you some time. It also tells the person asking you, makes them go, hmm, oh, maybe, maybe they're not interested in doing this.

SPEAKER_00 26:20

And as the person asking, I might go back later and say, you know what? That might not be the right fit for you because I can tell because you were called You hesitated, yes. Yeah, because of that hesitation that maybe this isn't it. And and for me as a person asking to come back and go, Lori, you know, yeah, I think maybe that's not the right fit for you. Let me ask Cami or Lion because then it puts you off the hook for sure.

SPEAKER_02 26:50

It's like you're you're a boss that's aware of each one of your employees, you know our little nuances. Right. Um, a lot of bosses, you know, maybe it's a fairly new employee that they don't know that well, and they're like, hey, we need you to start staying late on Thursdays, and this is a Tuesday, telling you, and you and you're like, I maybe you have Bible study every Thursday night, you know, and they don't know it, but you're afraid in that moment to let them down. That's real. Like, I've been there. Young Lori was that would have been that person. So if I knew to say, Oh, okay, let me check on that. When do you need my answer? That would have given me some time to develop a little more courage, right? To say, that is really not, I can't do that. I'm really sorry. And the other thing that I've learned through reading books and counseling and everything is you don't have to give them a reason why. And we we oblige we always feel the need to explain our no's, and that's just not true. You don't have to do that.

SPEAKER_00 28:10

You could say, I'm just sorry, that that's not gonna work for me, but I don't think that's just an obliger, I think that's human nature, is exactly if you're saying no, yeah, I don't I I can't, yeah, right, then then they're you have somebody looking in your face, looking at you straight on.

SPEAKER_03 28:30

Wow, you're like, I gotta give them a good reason.

SPEAKER_00 28:32

What else? Why, why, why? You know, and yeah, and then if you don't give them the why, that's okay, right? But that person is still questioning, wondering what do they have?

SPEAKER_02 28:43

Do they go to the bars, everything? Like, what is it? But but we always I want people to feel freedom in that, right? You don't stop to tell them your why. You can kindly say, No, you know, that doesn't, it's not gonna work for me. I'm sorry. That's it. But I know myself, I will always give the why because it's just who I am. So just who you are. The last one, again, there's not the the last one I read about was uh it's the hardest one, make time for yourself.

SPEAKER_00 29:17

I have that down too. Make sure you have downtime.

unknown 29:20

Shoot.

SPEAKER_00 29:21

Downtime. You don't you don't get that, Lori.

SPEAKER_02 29:24

I know, and I blame myself. Ellie has called me on this a lot. I mean, and she's a hundred percent right. You know, I I don't know. Well, I know why. Again, going back to obliger, right? I have to have accountability in place to if I'm gonna do something. So if I am gonna start back going to the gym, I need to have no, I have an either an appointment with a trainer that I cannot break, or I've signed up for the class and they're gonna take $20 out of my account if I don't go. Like all of these things for people like me, these are things that I have to put in place because it's bizarre. Me going to a workout at noon is not gonna cause flower click to go belly up. No, right, but in my head, I for some reason think, oh no, I gotta answer the phone.

SPEAKER_00 30:26

Like so maybe I need to give you permission, Lori. Yeah, go ahead and take that class in the middle of the day. I think you need to do that. You need to.

SPEAKER_02 30:35

No, you can't give me permission. You need to command to say, Lori, you have to take this class. You need to do it. Yes. Well, I do hope that whoever's listening, right, is going, ah, you guys, I feel the same way.

SPEAKER_00 30:52

Yes, that's it. I think it's all relatable, and all we can do is take one step at a time to get our lives back in balance as much as possible.

SPEAKER_02 31:02

Right. You know, it's they the story that people always equate with balance that is the whole, you know, tightrope. But I was I want to end on this, and it says, Imagine you're walking on a rope suspended in air. If you move too far right, you'll fall. If you move too far left, you'll fall. To walk without falling, you gotta have balance. And so this is the life of us. We are all tightrope walkers, and then at the very end, it says a tight rope walker who falls might be able to get back up again, but it might take a while for him or her to do so. The time to find the right life and work balance is now, not when you burn out and fall. I was like true, yeah, that's really true. So um it I don't know. I don't know the answer. I know that I continue to wobble on that tightrope, and I think that's the best we can ask for. Just don't fall, right? Wobble right. All right, so Fonda, what is inspiring you right now?

SPEAKER_00 32:18

What's inspiring you right now is the memory of working together with my grandchildren to make cookies. It's one of those things that's very interesting because you can make cookies by yourself in this amount of time. Yeah, yes, but when you have four grandchildren helping you unwrap the butter, yes, all different ages, too. I mean, you've got from five to twelve. Oh my gosh. And so the little ones fell off right away, and then the older ones stayed longer, and then the late in my 12-year-old stayed the longest. But yes, you know, that's pretty inspiring to see how young people can work together to make a project. Yeah, so no, that's cool. I think I look at that and go, that's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_02 33:03

Yeah, I I love that perspective. I think I hope people took pictures. I hope there was Ellie or somebody took a little because that is a funny little scenario that I just have playing in my head right now. And that requires a lot of patience. Um, and I can just see the little ones after a couple of minutes when they realize they can't eat it yet, they're like over it.

SPEAKER_00 33:27

Exactly. Exactly. So, anyway, what about you, Lori? What's inspiring you?

SPEAKER_02 33:33

Um I think honestly, just as hard as it is spending time with my dad for however long I can connect with him, um, and seeing him and his brother. You know, he's a big brother. He's what like 12, maybe I think 12 years older.

SPEAKER_00 33:57

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 33:57

And he doesn't like to be bossed around by his little brother, and they're just funny. They're just they both are these skinny little, my dad's all of maybe 138 pounds, 100. I mean, he's always, but they have their little ball caps sitting way up high on their head, and they're just funny, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:16

And that's what you have to find is the humor, yes, in that love.

SPEAKER_02 34:20

Yes, yes, and those moments where he is very lucid, which is usually early morning, and he'll, you know, share just share random stories. Usually, you know, he tells me over how he met my mom. She was walking her around the corner of the dorm in her Levi's. No one was prettier. I mean, he's so and I just I just cherish these things, yeah, you know, because he just still he has that little spark when he talks about it. And I think it's funny. It just makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 34:52

Moments to cherish in the balance of our life.

SPEAKER_02 34:54

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