Behind the Click: The Reality of Our Photo Shoots

Episode 288: In this honest and behind-the-scenes episode, Vonda, Lori, and Ellie unpack the highs, lows, and lessons from Flower Clique’s most ambitious photo shoot to date—capturing Fall, Christmas, and Valentine’s Day collections in one marathon session. From binder chaos and perceived value challenges to hats and 13-hour shoot days, they share what made this shoot different—and harder—than ever before.

You’ll hear how the team balanced creativity with profitability, dealt with design tweaks on the fly, navigated fatigue and frustration, and ultimately pulled off a huge win for their members. It’s a raw, relatable look at what it really takes to make website-worthy, sellable floral imagery—and why it matters.

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Flower Clique
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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

You have to communicate the value, you have to sell it, which is why a big part of bringing you into looking at these shots is would you buy this?

SPEAKER_02 0:13

Welcome to the Business and Pleasure of Flowers. We're your hosts, Vonda LaFever.

SPEAKER_03 0:17

And Lori Wilson, and we believe that business and fun are a perfect combination. Kind of like us, Vonda. Hello, Vonda, and hello Ellie. Hello, Lori. Hello, Lori.

SPEAKER_00 0:34

Hello, Vonda.

SPEAKER_03 0:36

Hello, Ellen. I'm glad we're all speaking to one another. Speaking terms, I think that's a good sign, don't you?

SPEAKER_02 0:46

I think it really is. After we spent so much time together, still speaking and loving each other is a big one. I didn't say loving. I said speaking.

SPEAKER_03 0:58

Okay, sorry. I'm getting. You know I always love you. But yes, we just got back from our photo shoot. That how many times a year do we do these? How many?

SPEAKER_02 1:11

We usually do them more often, but we have a special event coming up in October that we're not able to do a photo shoot in September. So here we were getting fall, double, Christmas, and Valentine's Day all pecked in.

SPEAKER_03 1:28

Yes, because we have a wedding. Someone's getting hitched in October.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

Yeah. Vonda got me a hat. A special hat.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

A special hat, I did. She kept putting it on your head. I couldn't get her to wear it very often.

SPEAKER_00 1:47

I understand your point about if I wear it, I might get more free stuff. So maybe we'll get upgraded on the plane. You know, you never know.

SPEAKER_03 1:55

Is that why you bought it?

SPEAKER_02 1:57

No, I really thought it was cute. Julie and I were shopping and we're like, oh my gosh, we should get her this. Because we knew she wouldn't wear the shirt that says go into the chapel.

SPEAKER_03 2:08

No. Well, tell everybody what the hat says.

SPEAKER_00 2:12

It says, gonna get married. Very little song.

SPEAKER_03 2:17

Here's my only issue with the hat. You know what I'm gonna say? Okay. Think about it. It's not pink. Right.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

Yeah. It's blue. It's my something blue. Oh, okay. Well, all right.

SPEAKER_03 2:31

Okay, Lori. Okay, that'll work. I've thought about it for days. Like, why is it blue? Why is it blue? Why is it pink? It should be a pink. It should be in pink. I'm gonna get married. Anyway. Anyway, we got back on photo shoot. It was a very long photo shoot. We did a lot of shooting.

SPEAKER_02 2:54

You know what? Honestly, it was no longer than we're now normally there. I was there for eight days. And that's not unusual. I'm usually there for seven to ten days. Yeah. I think it was the amount of product, the amount of finished designs and finished photographs that we had done was what was like, oh MG. We've never done that many in that short of a time before.

SPEAKER_03 3:20

I've got a lot of questions because I told you guys I wanted to jump on and do a podcast about it because we've talked about our photo shoots before. But I wanted to talk about them from a little bit different perspective. But here's what I keep wrestling with in my mind why this one for me felt so different. Like our sympathy photo shoot was massive when we did that last sympathy. I mean, it was like crazy. But this one felt harder for me. And I can't figure out why this one felt more stressful.

SPEAKER_00 4:06

Because you had more on your shoulders. The thing that I'm most proud about that I will circle back to how this relates to you is like normally this takes so much time, so much money, so much effort, so much physical labor, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, for literally just pictures on a screen at the end of the day, which obviously are a lot more than that, but like they are pictures on a screen. So but this shoot, we really maximized every angle from the product shots that go on all the websites to cool environmental shots that we did new this year. Yeah. Different with hands and poses or whatever. And then the social ones, you got social for absolutely everything and social videos for everything for content for our members. Whereas before it was like kind of more casual, like you did everything, but you weren't checking everything off, all the social, all the video, all this. And so you were like really meticulous this time on keeping all your ducks in a row, making sure nothing was missed. Like which isn't my strength. I mean, I think that's why energy for me. Yeah, and I think that's why it was harder for you because you felt more pressure to make sure we had absolutely everything. Like you were kind of our project manager.

SPEAKER_03 5:31

Yeah, which is you know, in a way.

SPEAKER_00 5:33

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:36

This one's psyched. Well, and let's be honest, we would go, oh, this is mix one. No, this is mix two. Oh no, this is this. Oh no, oh, and we would keep change.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

We have this phase too. As much prep work as we did with all the checklists, there's always more stuff that we add and change, and then it's up to you to like try to keep track of all of that, which and the binders, the binders isn't your favorite thing in the world.

SPEAKER_03 6:01

The the binder freaking binders. If I was on jet thrust, I could curse, but I'm not. So I'm freaking binder. Thank you, Lori. I appreciate it. Freaking binders, because then we'd be shooting something, and then Vonda would be like Where's the page? Where is the page? I don't see the page, which isn't in the binder, it's not in the binder, and then I just create a piece of paper and add it to a note, and then Vonda would be after spiraling, well, we can't do this one because we're not gonna be able to source that flower, and then everything changes, and like in real time, what was just created is not gonna be a thing anymore. And that's kind of why I was like, we need to talk about this because this is the reality of flower click, because this was the hard part. What I was looking at watching Bonda is to me, I'm like, this is what sucks about Bonda's job.

SPEAKER_02 7:00

What was really easy, let's talk about that first. Okay, is the Lux line that we created. Oh, and we had beautiful, over-the-top, fabulous designs. It will be $250 to $500 easily. Yeah, easy. And Ellie, aren't those easier to shoot?

SPEAKER_00 7:18

Yeah, because you can add another rose here, another peony there, another ranunculus there, and and Bonda didn't yell at you when you ask. Yep. For sure. And they look beautiful, they're just easier to shoot because they're so beautiful. Yeah, on its own.

SPEAKER_02 7:37

And so we were doing that, and then we would shift gears to this needs to be a $79 design. This needs to be a $99 design. Then you can't add an extra flower, and you have to worry about perceived value. Is the customer gonna feel like this is what they're paying for? Is this really a $99 value? So a couple times I was like, mmm, not very nice, and it was tough.

SPEAKER_03 8:03

It got tough, especially on hour 11 of the state, and we're still shooting.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

You have to put as much effort into hour 11 as you do hour one. Exactly. And that sucks.

SPEAKER_03 8:16

I'm gonna start with my questions here. And and if we've already said it, tell me to skip on. So, what is something that people might not realize when you go about creating a single photo for the website?

SPEAKER_02 8:30

I mean, just working on one photo. Well, stating the obvious, it's not like a social media shot that it looks nice on social media because it's small, because these are going on websites. It needs to be really good resolution. Ellie can talk into that more. You gotta have those little tiny details.

SPEAKER_00 8:49

I think it might take five to ten minutes to make a design and 15 to 45 minutes to actually shoot it and get it to a final image. It's a lot easier to design than it is to photograph. I think the hardest thing, the word of the week, the thing that I think is the hardest to convey from 3D to 2D is perceived value. Yeah. And once you get that little snap and you see it on your computer, we just have to constantly ask, does that look like it's worth $79? And then from there, you do a different angle. I think that was one of your other questions that you had for us was like, how do you decide on the angle? And that comes down to perceived value too. Because a small design in a small vase with a high angle, you just see flowers in a little vase. You can't see that maybe it is kind of a tall arrangement. So if you go down on the angle a little bit, you see more of the vase, you see more of the height of the design. And then it's like, oh, okay, I can picture that that's not just a tiny blob of flowers. Right.

SPEAKER_03 10:01

So, yeah. So that's what you're looking at. Not only are you looking through the camera lens, but then you turn back around and you're looking at the computer immediately. You and Von.

SPEAKER_00 10:13

Yeah. I think the angle has to do a lot of the heavy lifting. Like it has to communicate the value. We're not working with flowers that are on wires that you can just position up and down and face them the right way. Like we're not doing that. They're all natural. So the angle is one thing, and then you got to get the flowers to look like you can actually see what they are. So you have to communicate the value, you have to sell it, which is why a big part of bringing you into looking at these shots is would you buy this?

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:44

Do you have confidence looking at this photo that you're gonna add it to your cart?

SPEAKER_03 10:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:49

That part of it.

SPEAKER_03 10:50

If I took a shot every time you guys I had been drunk the entire week. The entire week. We would get it almost done and we go, okay, Lori, buy this. Would you buy this? Would you buy this? Yeah. Would you buy it? A lot of times it's like she'd have to prep. Now I know you don't like this color. Yeah. Because yeah. And who would you buy this for? Who would you buy this for? Because it just depends, right? I was like, I don't like that color, but I would have bought that for my Aunt Sondra because they're her colors. So I would buy it.

SPEAKER_00 11:23

And if you're like, I wouldn't buy that for anybody, and I don't know who would buy that for anybody, then it's like, okay, back to the work table and re-redesigning it. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 11:37

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm trying.

SPEAKER_02 11:44

Well, try again. Let's do it. Do again. So but it takes that whole process though. Really, it does.

SPEAKER_03 11:52

So speaking of, how do you balance Vonda creativity with profitability? Like, I feel like that's the theme of the entire photo shoot. You know, it's a constant battle there.

SPEAKER_02 12:13

Creativity and profitability. I think one thing that I will say, and I know that good designers will agree with me, other designers will maybe challenge it. And that is a really good designer can take any flower you give them, set of flowers, and make a beautiful design and keeping in mind the profitability. I have these flowers that I can use to make a hundred dollar arrangement. And people will look at them and go, I don't know. And each one of the designers I know would make something a little bit different, but keeping in mind that it has to be a good perceived value is something another designer might not think of. A lot of designers are just like, okay, I can make something pretty with that. But is it gonna look like a hundred dollars?

SPEAKER_03 13:00

Yeah. I'm trying to remember, were there any designs that we had and we ended up just having to scrap them because profitability-wise, they just weren't. I do remember a couple of conversations, like because I'm over there, you know, on Trello on my computer uploading, and I can hear, I'm not gonna call them arguments, but there were murmurings between you guys up there, like, you can't do that. We can't do that, it's gonna cost you much difficult, and thinking, oh my gosh, this is gonna be a super expensive one. Were there times where we were like, just scrap it because we can't make that affordable?

SPEAKER_00 13:34

I don't think it's a scrap, but it's like get it on the camera. It does not look as big or beautiful as it does in person for $159. And then it's like, how do we rework this? I'm constantly asking, okay, roughly what's this cost? And then seeing how it looks flat on the camera, do we need to give it more air? That's usually what it takes, is just giving it more air to breathe and not so compact to be able to represent because also we have multiple sizes in a collection and making sure that it adequately perceives itself in that lineup.

SPEAKER_02 14:17

So yeah, yeah, yeah. I would say they weren't scrapped, like Ellie said. She would make a comment and she'd say, No, that does not look like $129. So it would go back to the design table and we would redesign it. We would just use those same flowers and give it that perceived value. Because sometimes you want to make it a little more creative, right? You want to have more style to it. But sometimes that doesn't translate. Let's say many times it doesn't translate into a good perceived value. Great style, beautiful lines, everything else. But when it doesn't have perceived value, if it's going on the internet, it's going on the websites, it's not gonna sell.

SPEAKER_00 14:58

There's so much planning, pre-planning that Vonda does beforehand. So it's not like she's just making up flowers on the fly there, really. So we're kind of past the point of scrapping something. You've already pre-planned and you've already priced out in most cases, roughly. So I'll give us a little credit there. Like we're already froze at that, but reworking definitely happens every day.

SPEAKER_03 15:27

The other thing that I noticed in my observing from where I sit in our little team here is you, Vonda, you are getting on to us about, yeah, that looks great, but that's not deliverable. Like that's a thing. You literally think of all of those things. And yes, Ellie and I understand, but that's not always at the forefront of our mind. And you're like, we can't do that flower there. That's gonna fall out, or that that's gonna like every little thing you have to think about.

SPEAKER_02 16:06

And I will have to say, I was really glad that my good friend Julie Poller was there because she would back me up on those things.

SPEAKER_03 16:12

Well, right, but I'm saying it takes everybody because but you look at those things, these little details, because it looked beautiful in the picture. It's gorgeous on the most beautiful picture, but you know if we post that on our website, and then the person delivered it, that flower fall, it's just gonna be a catastrophe.

SPEAKER_02 16:36

Well, I just know how our driver Kenny would have been, Emily. He would have not made it with that little butterfly verunculus where it was. It was gorgeous, but man, oh man, Kenny would have just stuffed it back in the vase and taken it to the door.

SPEAKER_03 16:50

But that's what I'm saying. These are hard conversations, and by the end of the day, and we're like, man, just we're all elevated. So that segues in. These were stressful moments. Let's talk stressful moments of these shoots. What for you, Ellie, was the most stressful moment that you felt?

SPEAKER_00 17:13

Like I said, we did these new environmental shots with like hands holding them or whatever. And I was the one that was holding all of them. And so I was having to do outfit changes. I'd go to our other little set, I'd throw on a white shirt, a white apron. I'd have to make sure you understood like the focus and you were behind the camera. I was um you were the photographer and I was the model, which is not my favorite. And so favorite photographer. But I will say I'm really loving how the shots came out. So it was worth it. It wasn't one of those things like we did all this work and like, oh, maybe we'll use them, maybe we're not. Like I think they're really nice and great. And so it paid off. But I think definitely having to switch complete gears was stressful. The other thing was like getting the patience when you're on shot number 50 of tweaking something, yes, and everybody gets a little testy, and then it's like the tiniest details, and sometimes you just want to say, like, okay, it's good enough, but you can't, you have to have the perfectionism at every shot. So that was annoying, but that's life. That's showbiz, baby, as they say.

SPEAKER_02 18:35

Showbiz. You are so right, Ellie. That last tweak, and you just want to say, just that's enough. It's fine. It's fine.

SPEAKER_00 18:41

But we well, the part that I get a little impatient, it's because I can Photoshop anything, which which I know you want to make my life easier, but I know like, okay, that little piece of evergreen, I'm just gonna erase that in Photoshop or whatever. So some of those things, but at the end of the day, it does make my life easier when I don't have to do as much of that. So and we want the photo to be as authentic as possible, right?

SPEAKER_03 19:06

Right? For sure. For sure. We just photoshop everything because that's not what we're doing. But when it's hour twelve or thirteen at the end of the day, day seven, yeah, day seven, and our feet hurt, and oh my gosh, it's gonna feel disgusting. I'm like, just Photoshop it. Let's move on. And Von is like, We do not just do okay. We're not the kind of people. Blah blah blah. But so Vonda, what was your what was causing you to be fit?

SPEAKER_02 19:45

Just I think when we have to redo something because the perceived value isn't there. I think that's where I was getting most frustrated. Yeah, we put it in front of the camera and it would be like, no, no, it's just not there. We can't do it. Yeah, and that would make me upset because I should have been paying more attention before it got to that camera. Then I would get really frustrated. And you guys always knew when I was frustrated. Sorry. No, I'm sometimes not the easiest to work with on a photo shoot.

SPEAKER_03 20:14

You're easy. We know when you're like that, and we just step back and let you because there's nothing we can do to it. Ellie and I just look at each other and be silent because we know you're gonna get through it.

SPEAKER_02 20:29

Yeah, I always get through it. In my mind, are flower click members. What are they gonna say? What are they gonna feel? Are their customers gonna buy it? I all of those pressures come into my mind, like, no, we we're spending all this time and money to do this and it's gonna go nowhere. So, like you said, we should just scrap it if it's scrap it and photoshop the whole thing.

SPEAKER_00 20:52

Yeah, if we had a shot every time we said, like, will the members like this or not? Like, we would be drunk for sure first day. But we sent out a survey on product development and you know, really getting granular on what people like and don't like. And obviously, it is so hard to please every single person, but we definitely try our hardest. But that's why I think you were constantly asking because we've gotten the feedback. We have some data to know, and so just kind of making sure everything's aligned with that was part a big part of it.

SPEAKER_02 21:26

Yeah, it was super helpful that you did send that out and we got that feedback. But as you know, some of it was 50-50, and we're like, Oh my gosh, a lot of it was.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

Some makes me happy, some maybe's not, but we'll we have a little something for everybody, so we do.

SPEAKER_02 21:39

Yeah, we definitely do.

SPEAKER_03 21:41

I think for me, the most I it wasn't even frustration, but the most tense for me was when I was in those moments, as you were mentioning, where like the whole binder stuff. First of all, I had two and I needed tabs. Is what I should have Created had in there. Here's what I've decided because I've analyzed myself over and over in that person. The obliger in me, you know, where we've talked about personality difference, and the adaptable in me, these two parts of me were at war, if you will. So I am adaptable, which is a good thing to be in that position because we were changing constantly. But the obliger in me who wants to please and make everything right was really struggling because it was impossible. It just was impossible because I couldn't put the puzzle pieces in the right place because there wasn't a place. The first day you weren't very adaptable. No, because I didn't. There was no you're like you were in a state of confusion because so confused. Because also, let's back up the binder criteria was changed, remember? Oh, it was totally gave me a heads up. We knew, and it made sense to me. I even had a say in it. You did. It's not like I didn't know this was happening. Right. But I'm like, wow, what is happening? Totally different.

SPEAKER_00 23:22

I think one of the main things we can do for the next shoot is go over that process with you and design a system that works for you the best.

SPEAKER_02 23:33

With a better system.

SPEAKER_03 23:35

But I'll tell you, I loved having you, Ellie, screenshot the stuff in Trello and like I yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

It might even eliminate the binder in a way. Yeah, but I was like, ooh, why are we not doing this?

SPEAKER_03 23:52

Like this tool. Anyway, that's a whole nother meeting. But I'm just saying that kind of gave me a little bit of a reprieve being able to do that. But the struggle between being adaptable, but wanting to please and be that team player to get everything right. Those who were at war inside of me. And there were two different times that if I was to speak, I would have broken down in tears. That I had this huge lump in my throat, and I was like, I gotta get control of myself. I gotta stop. Like I gotta be an adult here. And it was very early on because I was like a deer lights. It was just too much. And it's like I gotta stop. And you got through it, and you got through it, and it was fine. I can't organize this binder because everything's changing, because it was like mix one or two, mix one or two. And I would ask someone and they were like, we don't know. And I'm like, I can't make that decision. You know, I can't just make it up. Anyways, blast over. I called Mark that night, I don't think I'm the right person for this job. I don't understand what's happening. For Mark. Yeah. And then I gotta be careful because you know what his solution is. Just quit. You don't have 10 months.

SPEAKER_02 25:19

You don't need that job.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:23

Anyway. And then us two will be after Mark. So, Mark, if you're listening, don't even try. It's all good. It's all good. Don't even think of it. Just don't even say that.

SPEAKER_03 25:32

Just kidding, just kidding. Everything is great. Yeah, it's exactly so. Anyway, okay. What's something that we learned from this shoot that we'll do differently next time?

SPEAKER_02 25:43

We're gonna put tabs in the front.

SPEAKER_03 25:48

For sure. We're putting tabs. Yes, we're ordering tabs with a binder. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 25:56

Maybe having a meeting with you beforehand to go over every collection and tabs. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:02

But and maybe do the Trello thing. Truly. That might not be a bad idea. You did a really good job throwing on Trello quickly so that we had the images up there. So we can put sizes and things. I think that was very helpful.

SPEAKER_03 26:15

I swear Ellie knows me, and I know she knew I was like spiral spiral. And she, hey, you know what you could do for me. It's like she just knew I gotta, I gotta help in some way. And I was like, oh, okay. And then I can do that. That's a task. I can achieve a task. And so there's an answer to the task. There's an answer. There's a something. I'll picking up papers, though.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

Oh, you're in such a tizzy.

SPEAKER_03 26:53

Oh at least.

SPEAKER_00 26:56

I think we have a lot of photos of you just so deep in thought trying to. We have the kiwi photo video.

SPEAKER_03 27:05

Just zoning out. I know one of these days I just I'm gonna wake up and flower click Instagram is gonna have a story, and I'm gonna click it, and it's gonna be me eating a kiwi. There's nothing I'm gonna do. Everyone watch for that.

SPEAKER_00 27:25

This little little are you giving me permission?

SPEAKER_03 27:28

No, no, because it's awful. It's awful.

SPEAKER_00 27:32

Like the popcorn. The popcorn's cute. But the popcorn, I don't think I'm seeing it. You eating popcorn. You're eating popcorn like a little squirrel.

SPEAKER_03 27:40

I'm just emotionally eating the entire week. Just our whole snack. We have like the craft table. The snack show of a sitcom show.

SPEAKER_00 27:52

Yes. We had the fatigue mats, anti-fatigue mats. I think those helped.

SPEAKER_02 27:58

I think they helped a lot.

SPEAKER_00 27:59

But maybe getting some like crocs or something, some better squishy shoes. That'll be good. More extension cords. So we can stop tripping over lights.

SPEAKER_03 28:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:12

Yeah. Yeah. I think that's that's the learnings. What do you do you have anything, Vonda?

SPEAKER_03 28:21

Tabs. Tabs. Mine was tabs.

SPEAKER_02 28:24

The number one. You know, it's not me that I worry about. It's you, Lori. And it's LA too. That's why we had to get the fatigue mats because last and tabs. All were just in our whole bodies were big.

SPEAKER_03 28:39

Our toes. And Coke Zero. We drank that whole little tin pack of little mini Cokes. That was our Yeah, that was nice. That was a good treat. It was nice. And Julie. Sweet Julie.

SPEAKER_00 28:51

And sweet Layton.

SPEAKER_03 28:53

Layton. Layton was amazing. We gotta have her in. Our next one will probably be during school, though. Probably so.

SPEAKER_02 29:02

Yeah. We'll have to figure that out. We don't even know when the next one is. We're just wanting to get through this. And and now our web team has so much to do. Well, we all do. Ellie's gotta finish the photos. A little Photoshop here and there. Lots of Photoshop.

SPEAKER_03 29:19

One last question, and then we can be done. If a a flower shop is listening, non-flower click member, and thinking, why should I care about the web pictures on my website? I'll most of my customers call and I make whatever they want. What would you tell them? And I'm asking this because I ordered flowers today for my daughter for her birthday. The website was just a basic website with the you know stock photos. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I called them anyway on a hunch. Talk to them, very pleasant, whatever. Why why why would you say this is important?

SPEAKER_00 30:07

I think there's a few points. For one, beautiful photos build customer trust, increase conversion, they allow you to elevate your brand, allow you to charge more because your work looks premium. Ideally, your website should be working for you, right? And if your photos are not selling for you, you're doing double the labor. You have to then try to sell them even harder when you get on the phone or in person because you don't have like a portfolio. You know, a portfolio is everything as an artist. No matter what kind of artist you are, it shows the work that you're capable of. And that's why it's essential for the customer to look at that photo and actually see what's going on in it. And then to have a recipe that goes with that that's profitable so that your end design, you're actually making money. I mean, it's right, it's everything in an e-commerce digital world that we live in. That's what I want to do.

SPEAKER_02 31:06

Yeah, I would totally agree with Ellie. I just think that on the website it's showing a style that you're capable of doing. I mean, obviously, our Flower Click members are using a style that we do, but it's reflective of a style that's easy to replicate in their store and it's trendy. It's not just a stock photo, right? That is like, oh, it it looks like it's a one-sided arrangement, but it says it's all the way around. I mean, all of those things that are. It's $40. Yeah, yeah. And the recipe to go with it has more flowers in it than the value that it states on their website. So I think that's important. And also, if you're doing your own photos, I mean, Ellie, you've talked about this before. They need to be realistic and they need to be high quality, and you can't just throw something up there with bad lighting and you know, stuff in the background. And I mean, just be mindful. If you're doing your own photography, just do it right.

SPEAKER_00 32:02

Yeah, have a system so that you can work smarter, not harder. Like we always say. That's right.

SPEAKER_03 32:12

Yep. Well, thanks, gals. I'm glad we're still on speaking terms. Good thing.

SPEAKER_02 32:18

And you guys are headed. When this airs, we will have already been to to Texas State.

SPEAKER_03 32:25

Yeah. Yep. And then y'all can go to AIFD.

SPEAKER_00 32:30

Down the road, we'll be we'll be at AIFD. So if you are there, come say hi. Yeah. Okay. Thanks, Lori. All right. All right. Bye.

SPEAKER_03 32:41

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