Amy Balsters, The Flower Coach, Part 2: Mindset and Space

Episode 96: In part 2 of our interview with special guest,  Amy Balsters, known as the Flower Coach, we discuss mindset and how it truly is life changing in so many ways. You'll learn more about her Bouquet Bootcamp and what we tell ourselves can hurt our personal growth.  Amy is a beautiful person inside and out and she's the "real deal" ~ very authentic!

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SPEAKER_00 0:03

It feels like a tall order, you know, to be a safe space for people to work through vulnerability in their work. And when you're fumbling around learning something new, that's a really vulnerable place, especially when you're a skilled professional.

SPEAKER_01 0:27

Welcome to the Business and Pleasure of Flowers. We're your hosts, Vonda LaFever and Lori Wilson.

SPEAKER_03 0:32

And we believe that business and fun are a perfect combination. Kind of like us, Vonda. Here we are again, Lori. Yes, we're we're here for part two. Part two with Amy Balster, the floor.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

Let's hear what she has to say about mindset. So, Amy.

SPEAKER_03 0:55

I've heard it through the grapevine, or your reputation around the industry is one of the things that you are really, really good at is helping people with their mindset, especially those that have a fixed mindset. What tips do you have for those people that are struggling with change?

SPEAKER_00 1:17

Lori, I I find, Vonda, I find that what's really fascinating about this mindset stuff, I know that's kind of a kitschy phrase, but it was radically transformative for me to understand what a limiting belief was and to work through that. And how I still have to do the mental gymnastics sometimes of going, gosh, I didn't book that speaking job, or gosh, that student said, no thanks on your class. You know, that's that's rejectionism. And to go, you know what? That wasn't for me. And and my portion is my portion. And I'm gonna take my portion and do my best with what is in front of me. And this process of shifting my mindset around my worth, around my work, around my purpose, around booking and competition and fear and scarcity, this kept me stuck for years as a designer. I would not take risks, I would not raise my prices, I let clients walk all over me. I stayed in abusive flower shops, I was undercharging in every capacity because the problem wasn't my skill. The problem was what I, the story that I was telling myself about myself. And when this changed, everything in my business changed, but also everything in my life changed for the better. And this is a practice. It's not like wham bam, you go to a conference, you're healed, you know. This is a lifelong journey of like facing these things. So I think too, it's interesting, whether it's the newer designer or the established designer, fear is often the root. I I'm afraid I don't know enough, so I can't charge. I'm afraid I'll never be able to make a living doing this. I'm afraid I'll never figure it out. But also, I'm afraid that I lack relevance. I'm afraid that my ship has sailed. I'm afraid that the youngins are gonna come kick me out. There's so much fear at the root of a lot of these limiting beliefs. And so one of the practices that I do at Bokebu Camp is I print off everybody's limiting beliefs and I keep them anonymous, but I read them out loud to everyone in the first hour of our time together. And whether you're an established designer or you're brand new or you're kind of midway through your career, what I want to demonstrate is that there's a common theme, that we're actually all really similar, that we all actually feel a little bit afraid about our place in the world and what that means and what our work means and and and if we're gonna make it. And, you know, there's just a lot of fear. And so facing that head on takes a lot of intentionality. And I think that's the important piece for me about intentionality is I'm not I'm not just teaching people how to make better bouquets, I'm teaching them how to think about how they make better bouquets and about themselves in that context. And I'm certainly not a professional therapist, but I'm trying to introduce designers to the concept of the fact that we can do a lot here. But if the whole time you're telling yourself, I am no good at this, I'm never gonna be good at this, I'm never gonna make it, I'm never gonna figure it out, bouquets are my enemy, I'm never gonna have a successful business. We have, we are down five points already. I can't fix this for anyone. That's the that's the homework that you go home with and work through. But we really talk about even the mind-body connection. We do a little bit of tapping before we start. And I really try to help people get back in their body to also work more ergonomically. Are you an over-clencher, an over-gripper? Is your hands crushing the bouquet because you're super stressed out? Like we're checking in with ourselves to make sure that we're taking care of ourselves here and here and here before we can ever successfully make something. So, you know, I'm trying to bring a more holistic perspective to the work instead of just here's how to do it, narrate a quick process. All right, take your picture, have your treat in your gift bag and go home. I've been to so many workshops like that. And I'm just, I craved a medier experience. I want people to understand the why behind great design. There are answers, there is theory. It is not just, I don't know, I just felt like it. So I'm just gonna put this here. There's so much explanation out there that is lacking theory. And what we do is very complex. It's physics, it's geometry, it's math, it's it's so many things in floral design that we're we're putting together to make something uh harmonious and balanced. And I want to level up the conversation around that in my own community, around the complexity of floral design, but to also bring some simplicity in the how-to.

SPEAKER_03 6:09

So I read a book, I don't even know how many years ago it was. It was probably, I don't know, 20, 15, 20 years. It was way back. And it changed my life. It was called, it still is called, Telling Yourself the Truth. And it is by two authors, William Backis, Marie Chapian. Anyway, I've given my book out and I've also purchased it for other people at least five times during my life because that's how much it changed me. But it's about anxiety, fear, anger, all of the emotions or common problems that we struggle with with internal thought. Oof, I'm writing that down. And it goes through a thing called the Principles of Misbelief therapy. It's a hard book to pick up because it, you know, we think, what do you mean? I don't lie to myself, but everything that Amy's talking about and that you're talking about and that we're talking about, we really do. Um, for example, you know, we're saying, I can't do this. This isn't pretty, I'm never gonna be as good of a designer as Amy Bolsters or Vondola Fever, you know. But you have to set yourself back and challenge, so remember to challenge our thoughts, thinking, are these truthful? Is what I'm thinking in my head about myself, is that truthful?

SPEAKER_00 7:37

Some of the old ones are the best ones. You know, there's some solid wisdom there. I think this mindset stuff is really uh a key thing that's been important. It's a it's a mix of of what's here, but also what's here. And that that piece about working through some of those limiting beliefs really has transformed me. It's made me a much more effective teacher because I'm able to talk about this openly and really hold space for people in that struggle of I'll walk up to a table to address something, and it's if I hear, oh, I, you know, I'm a lost cause, and rah-rah, rah, rah. I don't just say, no, you're not. You're great. What I say is this is this is interesting, what's what I'm hearing. We should take a minute and observe where this is coming from. Do you hear it? I hear it. Do you right? It's like just the awareness piece is really key. Like first step is acknowledging that it exists before we can ever even tackle it. And so half the time, up pops something. Telling yourself the truth. I still do it. And you guys are moms. I mean, I've dropped, you know, something in the kitchen. I'm like, oh God, Amy, what an idiot you are. I mean, this this is just a regular running tape for me. And I'm recognizing that my seven-year-old is hearing how I'm speaking to myself. You know, what message is that teaching? If I'm in a shop environment or a studio and I'm beating myself up and I'm the boss, you know, what message does that communicate about grace for mistakes? You know, there's a ripple effect to this. It's not this isolated incident of, wow, I really need to get my act together. This expands and touches all the people and things in our life. And, you know, I think there is something really powerful just about simply being aware of it and saying, gosh, you bring in curiosity to like, wow, I'm pretty hard on myself, or, you know, I'm okay with everybody else making mistakes. Why, you know, I forgot those wedding votives and I beat myself up for three months about it. It's like the power lies with me to change this. Like, nobody is coming to rescue me in this, right? There's no amount of external validation that can fix it. It has to come from my admission of saying, gosh, I really am hard on myself. And I don't need to fully understand where that comes from, but I'm aware that it exists. I think I know where it came from, deep, deep in the child. But I think more importantly, there's a lot of us carrying around a lot of wounds, and these wounds can really seep into our work and keep us stuck, keep us small, and keep us quiet instead of really stepping into our work more fully. And I think that that's a really important message. And to be honest, I've I've been interviewed on a handful of other podcasts, and this is what I talked about every single time because I don't think it can be said enough that our work matters and we matter. A context of our working with flowers matters. And so before I can go into the world and make beautiful things for people, I must care for myself first. And that is a practice, that's a discipline, that's intentionality, and it takes it takes some work to be honest and brave to say there's some things I need to shift here.

SPEAKER_01 11:07

When you were talking at the beginning about connecting with nature, had you heard the podcast that Sharon Magukin interviewed a South African floral designer. Her name is Jill Mason, and she believes the power of energy of flower and plants are really about healing. This is what she said. It's possible to find our true nature through nature. When you said that the at the beginning, sitting in the blueberry patch and sitting there, I'm like, oh my gosh, that is Amy. She found her true nature through nature. Yeah. I mean, there it was. It's just a really interesting podcast. It's the flower healing with Jill Mason, how we bloom is the podcast. It was so good, but oh my gosh, I'm like picturing you with this healing, and and I'm sure you bring yourself back to that point many, many times. It's like, here's my space, and I'm I'm healing again, and I'm passing on that healing to so many people. Every time they're in your class, you're helping them get to that position, which is so, so admirable and and exciting, you know, it's really exciting.

SPEAKER_00 12:15

Yeah, it feels like a tall order, you know, to be a safe space for people to work through vulnerability in their work. And when you're fumbling around learning something new, that's a really vulnerable place, especially when you're a skilled professional. It is very humbling to struggle. And one of the really important things to me is about creating a safety where designers can fumble safely and they can feel as though they have the space mentally, emotionally, physically to fumble around. And I've really taken a lot of feedback over the years from students. I have a lengthy feedback form after each workshop, and I really study this feedback to better understand how to make these workshops more effective. But my favorite comment, my favorite comment of all comments over the years is that felt like such a safe place. And I think that that is really the heart of why I teach is that having suffered a lot of things in my life, I've I've dealt with a lot of trauma, I've dealt with really crippling health problems that almost killed me. I've had some really big hills to climb. And I, because of all of that pain and suffering physically and mentally and emotionally, I feel like I have a really big, uh, really big arms to hold space for people with where they're at. And I don't need to take take it on in a codependent way where I need to fix everyone and solve everyone's problems, but I can certainly hold an empathetic space where the struggle is is an important part of the growth. And I remind people, you know, that I remind designers that you're not struggling. I haven't really done my job because it's called boot camp for a reason. You're here to wrestle some things out, you're not here for like a fun little like summer dress, and we're gonna have our little margarita. Like, bring good working shoes and we're gonna feed you, but then get back to work. Like, you know, there's work, we pack it in, and there's both drills that we do to develop speed and to create muscle memory and work through some of the perfectionistic tendencies we have, and then we build on top of that. And so there it's really structured to deal with our mindset, and then we do do foundational floristry, color theory, and design application, and then we get into bouchedrils, and then we work through the really tough bouquets at the end of the day. But this is all packed into a seven and a half hour day. It's meaty, it's heavy, it's a lot. You know, I tell people you're gonna be tired, and you can hang out with your friends after this, but you probably need to just go to your hotel and rest. Like, this is heavy. It's a heavy day. And so what I'm trying to do is push people out of their comfort zone if they're feeling stuck, because often this stuck feeling is either a lack of technique or it's a lack of believing you're stuck. So we have to push out of that in order to kind of break through some stuff and make new habits around how we place flowers, how we push through. But it really is, it is such an amazing experience to see designers have success and just to say, I have been trying this for years. I have had a designer very recently, I was in California at a workshop, and I wasn't teaching, I was there actually just hanging out, and uh really good friends of mine were teaching, and I was having dinner with a group of florists, really experienced, skilled florists and you know, veterans I really respect. And one of them said, Yeah, I've just never really been able to figure out like the spiral thing. I just kind of do this thing and I kind of thread. And I said, Well, I'm happy to show you. It takes you two minutes. I can guarantee you, we'll get you we'll get this sorted. And at the end of this workshop, we just grabbed some leftover flowers and we asked for permission, of course. But I just gave her really like literally a two-minute tutorial, and she got it immediately. And I just saw her eyes kind of get big and I saw the light bulb, and it was so funny because all these other designers at the conference were like, What's going on over here? Are you giving a free class? So I ended up teaching like 20 designers how to make bouquets really quick, just like with some leftovers and stuff. It was such a fun impromptu experience, but that designer has written me several times since then and said, Amy, that it was game-changing for me. I make these so much faster, they're so much easier. So for some designers, it's just really fast. But she had tried it a lot of different ways, or maybe watched YouTube videos, or just never clicked. And the way I teach it is a little bit of a weird hack, but it really works for people. And so these are the moments where I'm just like, man, I'm right where I'm supposed to be helping designers make this easier. And I really just feel really privileged to do it.

SPEAKER_01 17:23

So tell me a little bit about your boot camp. So is it one day? You just said it was seven and a half hours at a just a one-day camp.

SPEAKER_00 17:30

Yeah, we thought about splitting it up, but honestly, I think it just works well to just kind of get it in. One long day. They start early in the morning. One they are in long day. Okay. Actually, we start at 10. I'm not an early riser. Okay. All right. Uh please, we have a lot of people that actually travel in all over the country to take Bokeh boot camp. And we've even had a lot of international students come take it. So uh we want to start it a little later in case people are jet lagged or if you know they're traveling in from out of different time zones. So we usually start it at 10. Uh, we end at 6:30. Um, and we always have a professional photographer here to capture work, um, finish student work. But I only offer this a handful of times a year. It's uh it's a lot of work to put on hands on workshops. I know you guys know that it's so much work because we do a disciplined recipe. Everybody has the same product. Um, they make three bouquets, a test bouquet where we work the stems over and over. They learn about different binding techniques and binding points and how important where you hold your hand is on a bouquet, is actually like a light bulb moment for a lot of people. So we work through all that with really basic flowers. Um, but I've had a lot of flower farmers come and retail come, and not just wedding florists. There's a lot of people that just need the basics of great bouquet making. So that is a really good experience to learn how to make quick wraps, how to make quick farm stand bouquets, really any type of retail, you know, quick thrown-together uh bouquet, quick bridesmaid, like boom, three minutes. So we time it, we do bouquet drills, and we typically do them between two and three minutes, and we do them over and over and over. And we this is about a 40-minute process from beginning to end. So we learn how to properly clean our stems and really understand how to edit our material to give us the effect that we're looking for. So there's a lot of application to the stems that we're focused on. What to take away, the editing of our of our buds, the opening, you know, reflexing of certain petals, and we're going through every single one of those steps. And then, you know, we usually have a really quick lunch and then we get back to it, and then we make sort of an open form style, bouquet, bridal style, and then a cascade, a hand-tied cascade, and they make it with two rubber bands typically, and that's it. That's all the mechanics you need, and it's really just you know, hopefully a really transformative, life-changing experience for designers that they can go home and understand when they're sitting down, and I think this is one of the most important things, and I hope some of your listeners hear this if they're feeling stuck, like, give us some advice, is that design problems are solved at the ordering level. And I want to say that again. In order to achieve the design that you're looking for, it's actually solved in the ordering. It's solved in the sourcing, it's solved in the gathering. Now you're assembling it, you're doing that function, you're putting these puzzle pieces together. But I have found that that successful bouquet making or successful design is solved at the time that I'm picking and choosing what I'm gonna put in here. And that that is really the hard part is saying, how many line flowers, how many mass blooms, what radius of mass bloom do I need to create a more blended implied line? What do I need to do? What's gonna be sort of those moments on the outside of the bouquet that are gonna extend the line? Do I need vines? Do I need ferns? Do I need some sort of smaller greenery to build this out? Cascade is the same. It's all about the material selection in color, in the form, and the size. Those, those really make your life so much easier. So that on game day, it's about putting that puzzle piece really quickly together because everything kind of falls into place then when you've got the solution way ahead of time. And so I really hope to teach that in the online course and in my in my own workshops is to be thinking more strategically. Don't wing it. You know, don't wing it from a profit standpoint, but from a successful design standpoint, you have to think intentionally about what the components are and how they're gonna work together long before you ever touch a flower. And so this process takes work, it takes practice. I don't say this flippantly, like, yeah, you just do this and it's super easy. It's like work and it takes experience to figure that out. But I'm hoping to introduce students to this concept of thinking about characteristics of flowers and to really think intentionally about how colors are blending and bridging, how sizes are blending and bridging, and how by Doing that, you're solving that design problem long before you ever get to your studio, and so the flexibility that's needed, substitutions are obviously a big problem right now, but being creative in the sourcing. Can I cut from a plant? How do I utilize different material? I don't just need to use expensive garden roses. I can use a carnation nestled low as a pocket of color and build layers on top of that to achieve a similar look or aesthetic. So, how do we solve these complicated design problems earlier on in the process? And so that's kind of the drum that I beat is I'm building this palette for you, but I'm hoping that you're acknowledging why this worked, right? I'm solving the design problem. You're learning the mechanics of how to put together. But when you go home, that's a different game. And so, you know, this is not easy. This is why I chose this. I found that this was one of the hardest things designers struggled with. And I found a solution, but it still takes work. You gotta go home and really be committed to the practice and the process. But I mean, I get DMs every week of designers saying, I trained somebody, they made these in eight minutes. I was able to get my bouquets done, and I have 12 bouquets and I got it done in an hour, and that would have taken me seven hours before bouquet boot camp. So the work that we're doing in bouquet boot camp is really um shortening the window of labor needed, and that's less freelancers, that's that's more sleep, that's less time, that's less money, less product, right? It it's this trickle-down effect of why this matters. So I feel like all I do is harp on bouquets and I have my like soapbox, I just keep banging and talking about. But this is why it matters for me is that this is making a real difference in uh the financials of someone's business, but also in just making their production easier. If they can bang this stuff out and move on. So I've chosen to niche down on this. I don't teach everything. I think there's amazing teachers out there teaching so many great things, but and I could teach more. I love foam-free installation work, I love making fine art centerpieces, but I really found a love for this topic, and I've gotten pretty good at it. So I'm like, you know, we're gonna just keep on going with this because more people need help with bouquets. Let's make this easier for for designers. So yeah, that's kind of what the gist of it is. But we're right at the right at the beginning of launching the online course, and and that's really exciting because I think it will help a lot of people that can't get on a plane and come travel to this workshop. It's not a cheap workshop either, so it's a high-ticket offer, but it is definitely a transformative experience for a lot of designers. So yeah, thanks for asking about it. It's really exciting.

SPEAKER_03 24:41

So, Amy, I have a testimony for you, and I didn't even take your class. But it's a legit one, and it's really, really to me, if I was a designer, which I am not, um, but if I was and I was listening to this, this would be the one I'd be going with. So I was Marco Poloing, you know, the Marco Polo with one of our flower clickers who has also gone through your training. This is how she and I correspond because our days are so crazy. So she was in her in her shop and she was talking to me about something, but as she was talking, I'm watching her and she's making a cascade bridal bouquet. And I know I know this about her, and I know these have not been her favorite things, they're not of, but she was talking about something completely different, but just just reminded me of like, you know, when you have a baby on your hip and you're rocking, you don't even realize it, it's just second nature. So she was doing all of that, and then she got off, and then I got on, and I was like, I answered a question, and I think I asked something about how'd that bouquet turn out? It looked pretty good to me because she she came back and she's like, You saw that, did you? She said, Did you see how nice it was? And it was because of you. She was so stuck mentally in the cascade thing. She's a fabulous designer, it has nothing to do with skill. But I thought, this is a great testimony. Like, she didn't even realize she was doing it, and so but I think um, the other thing I wanted to say is I've spoken to probably a handful of people about do you guys know Amy the floral coach? Like, who is Amy the floral coach? My first introduction to you was on that stupid clubhouse act, which was in the middle of our COVID desperation, like everybody we're gonna never leave our homes. The clubhouse is what we got.

SPEAKER_02 26:48

So you and I were in the same one, and all of a sudden people get called up to the top. You remember this? And I'm like, oh, I did my very first time ever on this app, and we're taught anyway.

SPEAKER_03 27:02

But listening to you, and I was like, who is this girl? She's so smart, and you were so um positive and encouraging, but I wasn't real sure, you know. So you see, fast forward between that time and now, every single person that I have said, hey, I see that you're friends with Amy, or I started, tell me about her. What do you think? This is the thing, I kid you not. If I found my Bible, I would say they say, This is the thing, they say, Oh, she's a real deal. Every one of them. And I was like, wow, yeah. I mean, it gives me goosebumps. You guys get goosebumps about design. I get goosebumps about character, people, people of character, people of moral standard. Like, that's what I love every one of them. Can't say any more than that. That's right. I want I want someone to say that. So in that is I know, but yeah, they do. I think that is, unfortunately, you're right. I am but you're the realistic deal. I think that's so powerful in today's world. Like, you know, you talk about empathy, vulnerability, skills, hard work, all of those things, safe space. Yeah, you can only, I'm gonna use your quote, hold space, hold safe space for people if you are the real deal, you're authentic, right?

SPEAKER_00 28:43

Yeah, and so your job well done. Thank you. I'm like emotional. That's that is I'm also just have some new mascara, and I think it's like the kind of blades I'm like, oh geez, already got coonas. You know, thank you for sharing that with me. That is that is actually the most important thing to hear. Yeah, is that um integrity? I went through kind of a branding overhaul when I closed down immunical floral and really rebranded as the flower coach. And when I went through this branding exercise, what do you want your business to be about? What are you about? Why, right? What's the differentiator? And this is a painstaking if you've ever been through this process. You guys have probably been through a flower click. Why do you matter? Why does this matter what you're doing, a flower click, or why does it matter what we're doing and educate? And I continuously come back to the word integrity of I live and die by my integrity, and and the fact that anybody who walks through my door, anybody that signs up for my classes is cared about, is dealt with uh honesty, with um coming out of the special events industry for many years. I ran a catering company, I've done all kinds of stuff in the special events world. So I care about their experience, but I care about them. Right. And I care about their journey with flowers. And even though our time together might be brief in seven hours, I want that experience to be meaningful, that they felt seen, um, and that they felt validated in their fear or in their work. And, you know, I'm dumping a lot of stuff into people's brains in seven and a half hours, we're packing it in. Um, but most importantly, I want them to feel like they were cared about and that I that I saw them. And if I ever make a misstep in my business and a misstep in my behavior, and none of us are perfect people, um, I want to make that right. I want to ensure that in a closed room, when someone says, What do you think about Amy Balsters? They're saying she's the real deal, that she's honest, has integrity. Isn't this, she's not out for celebrity or fame, or this is a self-kind of worshipping grandiosity. This is about the people that I serve. This is about the people that I'm trying to help in their work. And in order to do that, you know, it it requires a lot of self-reflection. And if I get a bad review, or if I get somebody unhappy, you know, I'm devastated because it's like, oh my gosh, like I missed the mark on this. Like, I gotta make this right. We gotta make sure this never happens again. And that happened, you know, there's no perfect workshop, there's no perfect person. Um, and I'm always trying to tweak and I'm always trying to make sure that integrity is at the root of our marketing for the workshops, it's at the root of how we run them, it's at the root of everything we do. And so um, as my team grows too, I have multiple people on my team now with the work, my business has grown so fast and so much teaching that I've needed help with graphic design and social media and my course and my you know financials. Like, you know, I need all this help. All this help, yeah. And so even within my team, it's really important that every decision that could potentially even look like it's out of alignment with what my core values are is is not passed. It that does not pass if it does not feel aligned with integrity for me. And so, you know, whether that means less money, less sales, less workshops, less speaking engagement, doesn't matter. I don't care because I I live and die by that core value, and that's really I figure why why even bother if you're not doing something with integrity, right? And that's not everybody's you know priority, but for me, that is deeply important.

SPEAKER_01 33:00

It speaks volumes, yeah, for sure. Well, thank you for being on with us today, Amy. We just have really appreciated.

SPEAKER_03 33:06

One thing I do have to ask before we leave, I asked this to everyone. Um, and again, this doesn't have to have anything to do with flowers. Um my answer to this right now, I'm not gonna ask questions, but my answer to this right now would be candy corn. So no candy corn.

SPEAKER_02 33:24

Say your name on candy corn. I'm going a big yay on candy corn.

SPEAKER_01 33:32

She is. She's into candy corn.

SPEAKER_03 33:35

Did you know if you take a peanut and a piece of candy corn and eat it together, it becomes magic. It's like a Snicker bar.

SPEAKER_00 33:45

Okay, that's my homework assignment. I've got some good book recommendations. And I'm gonna try a peanut candy. I got this is an amazing podcast. I've gotten so much out of it. Book recommendations, encouragement, validation, and a candy corn recipe.

SPEAKER_02 34:00

We are the whole package. What more could you want in a podcast interview? We are the whole package.

SPEAKER_03 34:06

Okay, so my answer candy corn, what is inspiring you right now?

SPEAKER_00 34:10

Oh my gosh. Well, I think the fall, changing of the leaves. I grew up in Southern California, you know, we didn't have an extreme change, but I live in Virginia now. And, you know, when I look out my window and I see the browns and the reds and and the yellows, you know, I'm reminded that everything is a season. You know, it's not always spring and everything's blooming all the time. It's like things are fading and they're hibernating. And it's like I just am deeply inspired to look to nature to still find that rest as a designer, as a mom, as a as a working mom, you know, and and to say, gosh, you know, I want to do all the things and really what I need to go do is take a nap and drink some water and snuggle my kid because I've been on my laptop for nine hours today. So, you know, those are the things that I'm I'm I'm often just looking to the seasons and as an inspiration of of the the rhythms of life and even recognizing for myself that I need to go inward and rest or chill.

SPEAKER_03 35:13

Thanks so much for coming on here.

SPEAKER_00 35:15

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