061 When was the last time you asked someone to come out and play? When was the last time you played as an adult?
Learning how to play as an adult can have a HUGE impact on your business (and sanity) - because it turns out it has all sorts of benefits - in addition to being fun.
The science based benefits of play include....drumroll please...improved productivity, better problem solving, more creativity, better able to work with others (ha!) - it also helps out with stress and anxiety.
Of course, I found an expert in play!!
Kara Latta is the Founder and Chief Fun Officer of The Playful Warrior. She is also the Creator of ThoughtPLAY, a unique coaching model that uses the power of play and subconscious reprogramming to help humans thrive.
In today’s episode you will learn:
061 When was the last time you asked someone to come out and play? When was the last time you played as an adult?
Learning how to play as an adult can have a HUGE impact on your business (and sanity) - because it turns out it has all sorts of benefits - in addition to being fun.
The science based benefits of play include....drumroll please...improved productivity, better problem solving, more creativity, better able to work with others (ha!) - it also helps out with stress and anxiety.
Of course, I found an expert in play!!
Kara Latta is the Founder and Chief Fun Officer of The Playful Warrior. She is also the Creator of ThoughtPLAY, a unique coaching model that uses the power of play and subconscious reprogramming to help humans thrive.
In today’s episode you will learn:
Hello and welcome to the healthy, happy and mostly sane entrepreneur podcast. I'm your host national board certified health and wellness coach and Ayurvedic practitioner, and mostly sane entrepreneur Ellen Leonard. Each week, I share my obsession with helping you build a healthy life that works for you, your family, and your business. Because I don't think you have to sacrifice your own health and well being to be successful. So please stay tuned. For today's episode full of ideas to make staying healthy just a little bit easier. Don't forget to hit subscribe, so you don't miss out on future episodes. When was the last time you asked somebody to come out and play as adult it can be so easy to forget to make time for fun. And to remember what it was like to be childlike and being able to have fun so freely, without any set goal or expectation. And with that in mind, I have a special guest. Her name is Kara Lata. And she is the founder and chief fun officer of the playful aurier. She's also the creator of thought play a unique coaching model that uses the power of play, and subconscious reprogramming to help humans thrive. Thought play takes you on an incredible eight week play journey to reconnect with your inner child uninhibited creativity and infinite possibilities. Doesn't that sound amazing? And I have to say I just did as a gift for one of my best friends one of Kara's our long play sessions and it was me Kara and my bestie. And we had so much fun that it was ridiculous. So if you're wondering how play plays into your business, that's exactly what we are going to learn today. So in today's episode you are going to learn number one, what play is what do we mean when we say play? Number two, what the benefits of play are, because there are some very clear scientific and science based evidence for the benefits of play as adults. And number three, how in the world that relates to your business, because it does because some of the benefits are problem solving, adaptability, focus, ability to collaborate, creativity, creativity is so important to your business as our focus and problem solving. So there's a lot of benefits to learning how to integrate play into your life in a way that can not only make your life more fun, which is obviously important, but can also benefit your business. So that's dive in. Kara, thank you so much for being here with us today. I so appreciate you taking the time to talk to us about play.
Kara Latta:I am so excited to be here and can't wait to chat with you.
Ellen Leonard:Well, let's dive in because I love hearing about how other entrepreneurs got started. I think that is your origin story. Because we're we're all superheroes in our own little way. What inspired you to to start your business and get going on this?
Kara Latta:He first of all, I love origin story. yes to that. And what inspired me to start my business? Well, actually, it was a dark time, which might surprise you since you know I work in play now. But honestly, I was working in a corporate job for almost 10 years, I felt very depleted and stuck and depressed. And when January came, I had a nasty cockroach infestation in my apartment. What I'm sorry, I was terrible. I had a relationship. And I was working through childhood trauma. And then I lost my job during COVID in March. And so everything seemed to be going wrong. I was doing a lot of inner child healing, though. And everything was just feeling so heavy. And I had this realization though, that if I actually started playing and tapping into my creativity, that was another way to heal. It didn't all have to be so dark. So I committed to doing one playful thing each and every day. And as I started doing that, I just started feeling so much better. And I started feeling so much more connected to myself. And I kind of looked around and was just like wow, as adults, we're so disconnected from play as a society, especially in the corporate world where I was working. And I just knew I had to do something around play to bring this to the world because it was healing me so much. I was feeling so much better. And so then I really started exploring that but also I had never thought about being an entrepreneur before. So I was having a ton of mindset blocks. So around that there was just so much self doubt coming up and so much self sabotage. So Decided to actually get certified in some mindset techniques, so got getting certified in hypnosis in neuro linguistic programming. And that really helped me uplevel my mindset. And so then I got to this point where I was like, Okay, I have the power play, I have the power of mindset, I'm going to combine these two together and just create the most powerful program there is. And that was really how it happened. And the playful warrior came about my program thought play came about. And yeah, it was this beautiful, beautiful journey. That, you know, sometimes we have to go through the dark to find the light. That's so cliche, but in my case, it ended up being true.
Ellen Leonard:Well, and thank you for sharing that with us, because it's so interesting to hear how recent all that journey is. So we're recording this. It's not coming out until March, but we're recording this in December 2020. So that means all of this happened, like in the last year. And that seems like such an epic hero's journey, right? Come back to the superhero thing like to, to have gone through all of that. And then to come out. And I wish you you listeners could see her right now. Because as she's telling her story, she's the biggest smile on her face. Like she just lights up telling her story.
Kara Latta:Yeah, it's honestly so nice. I'm so passionate about what I do, which is amazing. Because when I worked before, I honestly felt negative in the passion department. Like I just didn't know what that felt like. And also, I love telling the story, because like you said, This happened really fast. Like, I was like, go in March. And now I have this amazing business. So things can really happen once you commit to yourself. And you know, this, the power of play, it's really so healing and helps you tap into all these ideas. Like a year ago, I had no idea would ever be an entrepreneur. It's not like I had this idea. And I was thinking about doing it. But I was too scared. I didn't have it at all. So I really just hope that whoever is listening to you listening to this, you know that you are so capable, and you don't need that much time, you really can just go for it. So So yeah, I hope that serves as a little reminder.
Ellen Leonard:And I think it was funny that you referred to the corporate world as being disconnected from play. I think that's a kind word for it. Because it kind of seems like it's the opposite of play, like a universe where play and fun are kind of discouraged in that you went from there to this is just so interesting.
Kara Latta:Yes, definitely. Like it was it was also very interesting, because some people supported my idea. And some people thought I was insane, especially people, my bosses in the corporate world. Like they're just like, what the heck are you doing? This makes no sense. because there weren't really other play coaches out there as well. So at least for adults, so yeah, a lot of people thought I was totally nuts.
Ellen Leonard:Yeah, but I know that you're not or maybe being a little bit crazy. And we're only mostly sane on this podcast. So I guess that works out well to
Unknown:beautiful embracing your weird, right?
Ellen Leonard:Well, I need to embrace it, there's just so much of it to go around, I need to really like just hold on to it. But um, I wanted to know more about the concept of play and why it's so important to our health and sanity.
Kara Latta:Yes, such an amazing question. So honestly, there are so many benefits of play. First of all, I think what comes to mind for people is it's fun, and it brings you more joy, which is amazing. But there are a lot of other benefits that we should really be taking this more seriously and implementing this in our life. So first of all, it gives you so much more productivity by taking these breaks, and really just filling up your cup, you are actually fueling your brain so you can become more productive and do tasks more efficiently, which is amazing, you are becoming more adaptable, you're using your imagination, which helps you come up with a new problem solving skills, and really just firing up your brain, it actually improves your memory and improves your focus, which is amazing, helps you with teamwork, and collaborating with other people. And then which is so important right now is mental health. It really helps with your health and well being. It helps you reduce stress and anxiety gives you more of those good feel good hormones like dopamine and all that good stuff. And what I love as well is it really helps heal relationships, too. I've seen that happen where couples without play in a relationship honestly can really die. So playfulness is so important to keep a relationship healthy and thriving. Yeah, and then oh my goodness, it connects us to creativity as well. Right? So it's funny because people will always put play at the bottom of the priority list. And they'll think like, maybe if I have time, it's like nice to do. But it's actually a burning problem. Like not playing is a burning problem. Because we're burning problem means like, this is something you really need to do for whether it's your relationship or your business or your personal life. Because when you play, it's actually going to help you with your business to you're going to make more money. Because honestly, I just say the more fun you have, the more money you make, because you're just so connected to self. You're so creative, you're so adaptable in your energetics are just so appealing for other people.
Ellen Leonard:And I think that I might know the definition of play. But could you define it in your, in your words for me, because I'm imagining me like juggling or something, which I'm sure that's a version of it. But tell me tell me a more, more succinct definition of it
Kara Latta:was well, plate is so personal. So it is something different for everyone. So like, for you, it might be juggling, which is really cool. And I love that little dance, she just did a cool dance. I wish you could see it,
Ellen Leonard:that play to my dancing is play.
Kara Latta:Totally.
Unknown:So what a joke
Kara Latta:I like to say is that play is fun. It's curiosity. It's exploring. But it's not outcome based, it is not competitive. It's truly just having fun in that moment. So for some people, for example, they love playing board games, which is amazing. That could be a form of play. But if you're so competitive, and if you play it and you don't win it and you have a terrible time, that's actually not play. That's
Ellen Leonard:so interesting. Okay, so like if I have a goal in mind, okay, so if I was, let's take my lame juggling example, if I was juggling to get better at juggling, or to like, be performative with it, then it might not be as playful as if I just picked up the balls and was like, Oh, I wonder what can happen here.
Kara Latta:Yeah, like, if you could honestly say, though, so say you were trying to become a juggler. If you could say you're just having an amazing time, then that can be played. But if you're like trying to achieve this goal, and you don't need it, and you're like, Oh, this is crap like that this isn't a good time, then that's not playful. But if you can do it with a goal in mind, and still have fun in the process, then I would say that's play, but I just have some friends who like if they don't win a game, they want to throw plates go crazy. It's like, Okay, this is not playful.
Ellen Leonard:That's so funny. So, like, before COVID, I was taking violin lessons from this woman. And I was one of her only adult clients. And every week, I went for 30 minutes. I my goal was like, I just want to practice playing the violin, and reading music and just like get away from everything. And just like, there was no end goal. And that for me, like I mean, the, the practice itself was and I want to clarify before anybody gets any ideas about my violin playing, it's so bad, like the cats actually attack me while I practice. Which is why I stopped practicing during most of COVID. Because like, they just were not happy. Like they will actually wrap their legs or round my leg and bite me. That's how bad the sound is that comes out of the violin. But anyway, this this woman I was taking from I had to stop taking from her, because she would get so frustrated with me that I wasn't achieving goals. And I would keep telling her. No, my only goal is to come here and have fun, and just play. And she was like, we work together for like once a week for like six months, and she never got it. And she was always on me and make me feel like crap. And it was so weird to me. I was like, how can you not understand that? Like, there's no end game here. There's no outcome for me, other than hanging out and doing this activity for no other reason that I think it's fun.
Unknown:Oh, well,
Kara Latta:I love that you were trying to do that. That's so disappointing that she was in that mind frame. I mean, it's conditioning, right? And so many of us are shamed out of play, unfortunately. But yeah, like the true spirit of creativity is not mean good at something. So a lot of people will be like, Oh, I'm not creative. I can't draw. And it's like, it has nothing to do with that. Right. And like society kind of claims What good is in drawing, like, that's just so subjective. But yeah, like, it's really just thinking with things in a new perspective, trying new things being open minded, exploring. So we all have access to this. It's just about rediscovering that.
Ellen Leonard:Yeah, totally. It's about tapping into that thing that that we used to do so easily as children and now we just really suck at
Unknown:totally.
Ellen Leonard:And earlier, you listed so many benefits that can come from play. And I think it's important for everybody on the who's listening to know that everything she said is actually based in science like plays something that is studied extensively, not only for tiny humans, for kids, but for adults as well. And while we certainly won't be diving into that deep science just know that it's legit like she didn't just make up all those benefits. Those are like actually scientific benefits of play. I want to be sure we pointed that out.
Kara Latta:And I also will just reference one Dr. Stuart Brown, who is really famous for his research on plain adults and has a book that's a really good read if you are really interested about the science, he has studied it extensively, and it is so fascinating to read. But yeah, this is not something I've created. This is all really backed up by science, which is why I'm so excited to bring this to more people, because I'm just like, Hey, is this really gonna accelerate and help your life dramatically?
Ellen Leonard:You have so interesting, I learned about play. years ago, I was taking this course that was started by or not necessarily started by, but facilitated by Alan Alda. Like he created a course all about teaching scientists how to talk about science to like regular humans. And so I was a former scientist. And so like, I suck at communicating science to other humans, like because I'll just be like, well, the advocacy and the results, and blah, blah, blah. And it was like, and one of the things that we did in that was play. And they talked about play in science terms, and then in like, regular human turns, and it was the first time I learned about it, but I thought it was so funny, that part of this program that was teaching scientists about how to talk to other humans about their science, Incorporated, play as like an actual skill and strategy.
Kara Latta:Wow, that is amazing. I love that that was so like, when was that?
Ellen Leonard:Oh, my gosh, I took that years ago. But I you know, of course, now that I'm on the spot, I should have looked up the name of the program, because it's a nationwide program. I'll look it up and share it in the show notes later. But yeah, so he was like, the National Science Foundation, he did all these, like, PBS spots where he would go and talk to scientists about science, and he would try to get them to explain it to him and words that he could understand. And like, all I would be thinking is like, you're the doctor for mash. Why are we talking about science? But um, yeah, so then he developed a whole a whole program that you can take. And that was one of the things but it was it was really funny. Like, I want you to picture a bunch of scientists in a room who like are so we're all so introverted? Well, not all of us. But in this room, we were. And like they're trying to get us to play and it was so foreign. And it was hilarious. And such a good learning experience.
Kara Latta:Okay, that is incredible. And I feel like sometimes, as humans, we need to rationalize things. And by hearing that, okay, this group of scientists is doing it, there's this research, we feel less guilty about prioritizing play. I mean, you shouldn't feel guilty in the first place. But when you have this list of a million to dues, and you realize that, okay, scientists are doing it. So this must mean that I can do it, and I don't need to feel guilty about it, I can take this time off, I can be silly, I can feel weird, whatever I want to do. And that just shows that okay, this is okay, I don't need to feel guilty.
Ellen Leonard:Yeah, it's almost like it's giving you permission to do it. And as entrepreneurs, as business owners, it's so hard to take time and give ourselves permission to do anything that is not specifically business, right?
Kara Latta:Totally. And the funny thing is, though, is that the more I play, the more I learned that it's actually so business related. So like, I know, there's so many amazing business coaches. But you know that that doesn't mean that this actually isn't a business course, as well, what I do, you know, doing play really helps you thrive in your business, because you're going to actually make more money, because you're going to be so creative, and adaptable, and you're actually managing any overwhelm, you're experiencing any burnout, all these things that really happen in your business, especially when we start or we're just when we're trying to scale our income is actually really designed to help you in your business. And I mean, I have tons of business experience as well after working almost 10 years in the corporate world.
Ellen Leonard:And so, you know, tell us some stories about how that has correlated to people's success, because I know I work with clients who are burnout clients or exhausted clients who are overwhelmed. And when we come back to their health and wellness, we come back to self care, that helps them achieve so much more. So I'm guessing you have some stories about how play and taking time for yourself to do nothing other than just that is correlated to our ability to achieve our goals to success and all the things that entrepreneurs are interested in.
Kara Latta:Yes, definitely. Okay. So the first one that comes to mind is a client I've been working with for only just over a month, and she had a goal for next year to start working full time with her coaching business. And you know, she she has this job to be honest, she really doesn't like and she has this like little side hustle of the coaching that she started. So she started my program she started playing and she started to become so much more creative. So right now we're finding that she has new ideas to help her Make this side hustle more sustainable, new ideas how to work with more people, she's just feeling so much more motivated, she's feeling a lot less burnt out, she was feeling so burnt out from doing this job that she needed. So she's just feeling so much more energized, less anxious. And now she's just like ready to start going full time, which is freaking amazing, so much more earlier than she had anticipated. Because she's just so connected to self, and she's so creative. And now she just wants to share these gifts with the world. So I'm so excited for her. And it's just so amazing that for her by connecting to something that felt so purposeless in the moment, she is now doing such purposeful work.
Ellen Leonard:Oh my gosh, can you say that last part again? Because I feel like that's that's hitting the nail on the head right there. Yeah, it's
Kara Latta:like play is something that feels so purposeless, but it is actually so purposeful for our lives.
Ellen Leonard:Yeah, I'm gonna put that on like a pillow somewhere in the house, or something more playful. Just like a cat. I don't know, we could just put it on the cat. That'd be playful. But, um, so what benefits have you seen for the time that you make for a play in your own business, but also, I'm guessing there's like these tangential or ancillary benefits because you work so deeply with play with other people that it probably leaks on to you as well, like when you're getting to be playful with clients and stuff?
Kara Latta:Yeah, well, definitely, it is more joy. I mean, there's nothing more beautiful than seeing an adult connect back to their childlike wonder I just had the best time it is so amazing to see people smiling like they never have. But in terms of my life, like, I am so much more creative than I was a year ago. I mean, I just had to find it. But now I just have so many ideas all the time. It's really amazing. And it always happens when I'm playing like unconsciously you were just working stuff out in your brain when you're not even thinking about it. So now I just have so many more ideas. If something happens like a problem, per se, I just feel like I have the tools to deal with it more easily. You know, I can find more solutions available to me and feel less stressed about it. Really before especially my corporate job, so much stress all the time, like all or nothing mindset. But now I just feel like I'm really connected to solve, I will figure things out easily. And also more productivity. So much more productive now as well. I feel like before I lacked focus, I was kind of all over the place. But now I'm just so much more productive. I don't feel like I have to hustle as much either. So it's easier now to find that rest and just feel that sense of fulfillment really all the time.
Ellen Leonard:You know, you probably wouldn't guess that productivity was one of the benefits of taking more time to to play, but it makes so much sense, the more you're talking about it.
Kara Latta:Yes. When I first heard it, I thought that was crazy. And like how is me doing nothing, essentially, or doing something really silly, gonna help me be more productive for me to be more productive, I just have to work really hard and hustle. That was kind of my idea of it. But the more I just like work really hard and hustle. Honestly, it just felt off to me It felt icky. And I just start becoming actually unproductive. The more I forced myself, right. But when we're playing we're getting into this sense of like ease and like flow, right? We're more in this like beautiful flow. And that's when the ideas and that's really when the magic happens.
Ellen Leonard:And also sounds like it in your business for you that that playing has boosted your confidence in what you're offering as well as your confidence and being your authentic, true self.
Kara Latta:Yes, honestly, I can say there's literally just nothing I believe in more than the work I do. I feel so connected to my true self. Like this is the work I'm meant to be doing. And yeah, it's beautiful. Because I was not confident before, especially in the corporate job. I
Unknown:know I keep going back to that.
Kara Latta:But it just felt so disconnected. And I almost just felt like I don't want to say like a fraud. Like that's not how it was I was doing the best I could in that moment. But it was just like I couldn't tap into who I really was. I didn't know who I really was to be honest.
Ellen Leonard:Yeah, and it sounds like through play you were able to discover that and and explore and kind of figure that out.
Kara Latta:Yeah, yeah. And I just it makes me so sad when I think about the messages we've learned in society and how we're taught that this is so fluffy or that as adults we need to be professional or serious or all these things and it's like we're missing out on so much in life is so short. You know, we don't have time to not play
Ellen Leonard:it whenever I hear that should voice in my head like, Oh, I shouldn't be doing this. I shouldn't be doing something that doesn't have a purpose or I shouldn't be having fun in the middle of my day. I always try to check in with like, Where did that voice come from? Like Where did I get that message like Where in the world did when did I decide that it wasn't okay to have fun? When did I decide I had to work all the time? Like, how did that even happen in my brain? And when I, when I check in with that I'm always like, oh, that would be something I made up?
Kara Latta:Well honestly likely wasn't even you, right? It's like when we were younger, from zero to seven, we are these sponges. And our brain gets programmed in usually like our parents, society, institutions or environment, media, all these things and social comparison. Yes. And we're not even choosing what we programmed in our brains, which is so unfortunate, which is also why the mindset work I do is so important, because we can actually reprogram our subconscious to cultivate supportive beliefs that actually get us moving forward to what we want, and not what we don't want, not with these crappy beliefs.
Ellen Leonard:So how do we get started on this journey of play? Like, if somebody wants, so they're listening, they're like, I'm ready. I'm ready to play that's do this. Well, where did I get started?
Kara Latta:Okay, so with my journey, I actually never tell people how they can play because it's so important that we are spontaneous and curious in the moment. Because if I was going to tell you exactly what the session look like, your rational or critical brain would start preparing for how they're going to play in the session, you would start visualizing it, it wouldn't actually be offensive. She is on to us and how our brains work, because that is 100%. She
Ellen Leonard:said, Hey, Ellen, do you want to come out and play? I would probably say, Well, what are we going to be doing? What do I wear? What do we need to bring? And I would be planning it. You're so right.
Kara Latta:Yes, that is what we do as humans. And so what I do is I tell you what to bring to the session, and I actually send out a play box and a playbook where you'll have everything there. But I'll just tell you what items to bring. And yeah, it's a surprise. But it's been so fun. And it's it's so beautiful to see people being in that moment and learning things they haven't learned before. Because Yeah, like you said, when we plan for it, it's just not like authentic. That's not really the true spirit of Play, play spontaneous, please curious, it's not pre planned.
Ellen Leonard:And so you're also giving people the tools to kind of figure out how to insert play naturally into their lives in an organic way that actually works for them. So where is I might enjoy something like, I don't know, going for a bike ride, or like, playing out in the woods behind my house and pretending I'm a pirate. I don't know, really what I'm into. But who knows. I'm not like everybody thinks I'm doing. Maybe I am.
Unknown:That's really cool.
Ellen Leonard:Or some other people are just like, being really creative as artists are just, you know, we can't tell other people how to play, we have to decide what's right for us. Yeah, so
Kara Latta:every week I gave home play, which is my fun take on fun homework. So there's always different ideas, and you get to do what resonates with you. Which is really cool. Because Yeah, play is not forced. Play. It should never be forced. Right. So yeah, it's about what lights you up. That's what we want most.
Ellen Leonard:So if you're going to have everybody listening an assignment, or what did you just call it you just called it a fun? A home play assignment? What would that what might that look like?
Kara Latta:Okay, the first thing that comes to mind is kind of weird, but I was just talking to someone about this. So if you like oranges,
Ellen Leonard:already, like, okay, it's already weird, but yeah, okay, so if I like or just continue. Okay, it's about to get a lot weirder.
Kara Latta:So, if you like oranges, I recommend getting an orange going in the shower and eating your orange in the shower.
Ellen Leonard:So random, and there's absolutely no way that there can be a point to that other than having fun. Like there's no outcome. There's no goal. They're like, I'm gonna be the best shower eating orange or shower orange eater ever. Like that's not a thing. Oh, I love it. Like you managed to find something that I can do. The only result of which can be fun.
Kara Latta:Yeah, honestly, you will experience so much joy it is the funnest experience ever. anyone I've ever told to do that is just like, feels like they're a kid again, and just having the most fun. So if you want to do that highly recommend and it's so easy to just access an orange and hopefully have a shower and then yeah,
Ellen Leonard:she's like, and hopefully you're also showering as well as eating fruits. So she's trying to keep us healthy as well right? You know? Well, so, um, how can people get in touch with you or even work with you if they're after this or like yes, I need to be doing more of this and I need you to to teach me how to do more of this because clearly I am not good at this.
Kara Latta:Well, I would love to play with you. You can find me at my website or anything. To Graham at the playful warrior, and my program is an eight week play journey where we really help you tap into your uninhibited creativity. And we also do this powerful subconscious mindset work, I will send you the play box and the playbook in the mail. The playbook is 96 pages of fun, and it is my favorite thing I've ever created, it will really help you tap into your self expression. And we will go on this incredible journey. I would love to chat with you and love to play with you. It is honestly the most fun you will have in a really long time. But you were also really achieved goals you want to achieve. You know, with the subconscious mindset work, you work on things like self doubt, or self sabotage are getting you to the next level in your career or healing relationships, all these amazing things. And if you're curious about it, and just want to learn more, feel free to reach out to me as well.
Ellen Leonard:And I will of course link to that in the show notes. But I just want to say like as she was describing this to anybody else just feel like oh, mg that sounds like so much fun, which is the whole point, right? Like, that was so funny. I was like, Oh, wait, that's like the literal point of what she's offering is that I'm going to have fun, but I was like, oh, that just sounds like that. You mean for eight weeks, I could just like play and also achieve goals. That's so up like an entrepreneur's alley right there like, oh, but also I'll be accomplishing goals. Okay, cool. So we're gonna play but then and I love that you provide everything to? Yes, yes, I
Kara Latta:make it easy. So you don't have to stress you don't got to worry. it'll all come to you. And yeah, it is a lot of fun. But it's very powerful to
Ellen Leonard:Well, thank you so much for coming on today to encourage us all to have a little bit more fun I am for real going to try out the orange thing. I will not be taking pictures of videos or that because that would be traumatic for all of us. But I will be definitely trying that out and I will try to remember to drop the results in the shownotes.
Kara Latta:So when does it please message me on Instagram and tell me how your experience was.
Ellen Leonard:And I will definitely link to that in the show notes as well so that we can all share that with Kara. So thank you so much for being on today. I really appreciate it. Thank you for having me. It
Kara Latta:was so fun.
Ellen Leonard:I hope you had as much fun listening to that episode as I had making it. And if you want to hook up with Kara Make sure to head over to the show notes so you can connect with her on social and learn more about her programs and how amazing they are. Thank you so much for listening today. My sincere hope is always that you enjoy the podcast and also find it beneficial. If you did enjoy today's episode, please be sure to go and leave a review either on Apple podcasts or by clicking the link in the show notes for some podcast love. And thank you so much for being here today. I wish you a healthy, happy and mostly sane week. I'll see you next time.