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Tour de France Femmes Podcast - Stage 1 Recap & The Science of Pre-Race Tapering

• CTS • Season 5 • Episode 259

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Welcome to the Tour de France Femmes Podcast, from the producers of "The Time-Crunched Cyclist Podcast"
CTS will publish daily Tour de France Femmes podcasts with Coaches Adam Pulford and Renee Eastman. They'll recap the stage, but the unique aspect of these podcasts will be coaching insights about how athletes prepare for the demands showcased in that day's stage. 

STAGE 1 PODCAST OVERVIEW
CTS Coaches Renee Eastman and Adam Pulford recap the exciting finish of Stage 1 of the 2025 Tour de France Femmes avec Zwift and then discuss how elite athletes taper after their most recent training blocks or races to be fresh and ready to race at their best at the TDFF. We also hear from EF Education-Oatly's Performance Director, Emma Trott, on how her riders - including CTS Athlete Alison Jackson - tapered before the race. Finally, Renee and Adam translate the tapering strategies from elite athletes to Time-Crunched Cyclists and amateur racers so you can be fresh for your next event!

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Co-Host: Renee Eastman

Renee Eastman is a CTS Premier Level Coach and has been coaching with the company for more than 20 years. She has been a professional bike fitter for 15 years and was one of the first fitters to use the Retül bike fit system. She has a master's degree in exercise science, has worked for USA Cycling, and is a 6-time Masters National Champion.

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Adam Pulford has been a CTS Coach for nearly two decades and holds a B.S. in Exercise Physiology. He's participated in and coached hundreds of athletes for endurance events all around the world.

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Speaker 1:

Welcome Time, crunch fans, tour de France, foms Aavec Zwift fans and welcome CTS Premier Coach and co-host of this week's podcast, renee Eastman.

Speaker 2:

Hey Adam, hey everyone.

Speaker 1:

Glad to be here.

Speaker 2:

What's going on? Tour de France is going on.

Speaker 1:

That's an appropriate response. That's an appropriate response, renee, and for those listening. If you're a loyal listener to the Time Crunch Cyclist podcast, you heard my teaser that coach Renee and I will be doing this daily podcast covering the Tour de France FOMS, auvik, zwift recapping the stage, tactics, outcomes and stories about these athletes themselves, but we'll also have a key section each day to talk about women's racing physiology and tips from the top that you can apply to your own training. This is actually the brainchild of Renee, so I'll turn it over to her now to kind of set the stage a bit more as to why she wanted to do this and drug me into it, which I love, by the way.

Speaker 2:

Thanks, Adam. I've been on your pod before and for anybody who doesn't know me, just a real quick hit CTS coach Renee Eastman. I'm a physiologist, I'm a bike fitter and at one point in time I used to play a little bike racer and that's why I'm so excited about this pod and I have to give Adam a lot of credit. A couple weeks ago I was watching the Giro the women's Giro, that is. It was just two weeks ago and I texted Adam like we have got to start talking about women's racing because that race was bananas. It was so awesome. It came down to strategy and lead changes in the last day.

Speaker 2:

Anyway, my point is women's racing needs more attention. These women are fantastic and I've been following women's racing for decades. When we used to have to get updates on Twitter, we weren't even getting TV coverage. You'd get tweets from mechanics in the back of the van at the races. So now we have a women's Tour de France. This is only the fourth one in the modern era. There was one back in the eighties, but this is all new and I don't want people to miss it. I think still people are learning about the women's race and women's cycling, so we're here to talk about it a little bit more, and so thank you to you, Adam. I want to thank CTS and the powers that be that gave us the green light. Cts has always been a really good supporter of all sorts of top female athletes, from Mari Holden, Alison Dunlap, Alison Jackson, who we'll talk about. So, anyway, this is a really important race. I think it gives a lot of exposure to women's racing and I can't wait to see what happens this week.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, no, agreed. And one quick take there. You mentioned Mari Holden, former CTS coach, and Allison Tetrick, former CTS athlete and one of my athletes that I still work with whenever she wants to get a little bit more fit and not run so much. But they actually hold their own podcast on the move and they'll be covering the Tour de France FOMS as well. So if you want a little bit more hot take on the race action and a little bit more personal experience probably more entertaining go check them out on the move. But this podcast is going to be much different. I mean, we're going to recap stuff but then we're going to get into the juicy, stimulating, coaching, physiology side of things, which I know all the listeners are tuning in for that. But, renee, to you, high level, what does the Tour de France Femmes of Zwift have in store for us all week?

Speaker 2:

All right, real time crunched overview here. We've got nine stages, so it's a lot shorter than the men's race, and the stages are shorter too. They're usually about 100 miles rather than 150-odd miles. You know 150 odd miles. Um, the way the race should go this week first five, six stages, flat rolling, probably not a lot of gc action, unless some kind of crazy crosswinds happen. Um, the gc stuff is going to happen over the weekend friday, saturday, sunday.

Speaker 2:

Don't miss saturday saturday's the queen stage, mountaintop finish. It's the only mountaintop finish. There's no time trial this year, so that's the stage you guys want to watch. I mean, you want to watch them all. But don't miss next Saturday and it should be exciting. Last year it came down to four seconds on the last stage down to the the wire the most exciting finish of any tour de France ever. I know we have a lot of North American audience here. We've got five Americans in the race. Fun fact, they are all Olympians and one of our Americans. This is a fun fact, by the way. Yeah, team pursuit mostly. Yeah, ruth Winder, she was an alternate but still counts.

Speaker 1:

Still counts, still counts.

Speaker 2:

But American Kristen Faulkner is the current not only national champion, but gold medalist Olympian in the road race.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, super, I mean amazing. And how many years has it been since we had a women's gold medals in the road race?

Speaker 2:

I know, I know Connie Carpenter won an 84 and we won gold, or we three times Kristen Armstrong retired uh, retired Uh, but no, not.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, could have fact checked that one before this, but I figured I'd throw it in there. And and so, from, from a high level, you got nine days of racing. It's going to be amazing, in my opinion. Each day, um, sprint stages, gc, like Renee talked about, and toward the end of next week and next weekend, those are the GC days. Probably you know if you're crunched on time and you're not going to watch every second like Renee and I uh tune into those for sure. So, from uh kind of a different angle to been trying to recap, or, uh, I've been trying to uh rally the the uh, the people that I work with that are close to this race.

Speaker 1:

Some of the voices that you'll hear are the high performance director of EF Oatley Cannondale. Her name is Emma Trott. She used to be a bike racer. She's become a great friend. We'll get some insights from her today about tapering. Then I will be asking her a few things here and there as we go about the week, just to bend her ear on a few things. Additionally, we'll get some check-ins with Allison Jackson on this same team, ef Oakley Cannondale, and we're just going to get who knows what we get from AJ, but there'll be goofy videos just checking in seeing how she's doing, how she's holding up, what her roles are on the team are, and that'll be super fun.

Speaker 1:

And, like I said, special guest appearances from Alison Tetrick and Mari Holden. They have their own show, but check them out on the move. They're dear friends and fun fact. I used to work with Mari on a women's team several years ago and I had learned a crap ton from her about directing tactics and life. Let's put it that way Mari is awesome, love her to death. So stage summary Renee, you want to take this one.

Speaker 2:

Uh, I do.

Speaker 1:

How to go down.

Speaker 2:

How to go down Um today. Stage one, uh start of the tour. It was a short stage, uh, super short, like under 50 miles, uh, 78 kilometers, exactly short and hilly. Uh. It finished with a couple of uh circuits on a uh little course that had a hard last uphill kilometer to the finish. And now I'm going to give you guys a little tip. If you want to stay spoiler free and you can just go skip ahead, you just watch the last 10, 15k. You're going to get all the key stuff in this race. Then you can come back and join back in the pod.

Speaker 1:

Um, because there wasn't a lot of great, yeah, and that's a great time crunch tip if you don't have two hours to watch this thing yeah 10k to go uh, even 5k to go, to be honest, um, because I'll tell you, adam, there there was not a lot going on.

Speaker 2:

You got those today, until they got onto the circuits in, like really the last lap, there started to be a little bit more action. But boy, that last kilometer full of surprises. Let me tell you it was a doozy. The darling of France, pauline from, from.

Speaker 1:

Pauvaux.

Speaker 2:

Thank you, pfp. We'll be calling her the rest of the week. She is the darling of France, multiple-time world champion in the mountain bike, olympic gold medalist, the only rider to hold all three world champion jerseys at the same time in the same year cyclocross, road race, mountain bike. She's a big deal. And she said this year I'm going to stop mountain biking and I'm going to go win the tour de France. So, and we're all like, can she do it? Cause we don't have a lot of information about her.

Speaker 2:

Anyway, with about 600 meters to go, she's at the front and I'm thinking she's leading out boss, right, and she just keeps on turning it up, and turning it up, and turning it up, and pretty soon she was all by herself. Now she didn't win the stage. There was a group, a pretty select group, chasing her down, with Kim LaCourte, kasia Niyodoma, last year's winner, and Evanna Bregan, former world champion coming out of retirement this year, and, luckily for team Visma Elisabike, marianne Voss sitting on the wheels, who is teammates of PFP, by the way. Anyway, with a few few meters to go, kim lacorte chases down pauline and boss just sticks on her wheel, comes around for the win, uh. So no surprise that boss won. Uh. For those of you who are not uh familiar with women's cycling, she is the GOAT. She's better than Eddie Merckx and Pogacar put together.

Speaker 1:

She has over 240 wins 250. Over 250 wins in her whole career.

Speaker 2:

Multiple-time world champion, three times winner of the Giro, twice winner of the points Olympics. You name it. She's won it. So it's no surprise that she won today. Who was your pick for today, adam?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, today for me it was Voss. I think some people were thinking Vibas, because Vibas is kind of known to be that great sprinter, but the way it finished just a little too hilly for Vibas, my opinion. But with Voss, I mean I picked her because I knew it'd be a good fit for her. Honestly, when Pauline went, I was like that's it, she's going. I thought she was going to stick it Right. Um, but a few other moves kind of went up the way and this is a fun, um, fun fact right, voss and Pauline used to be teammates and they and they know each other you know probably have like ESP going on Right, like okay, that might go up to Pauline.

Speaker 1:

So I'm going to jump on that wheel and at the very last second, voss even kind of like looked like looked behind to see if there's still someone, to see if Pauline could, you know, win, get in yellow and then Voss could maybe take second. That's how I read it. Anyway, she saw that, yeah, they were still coming hot and then Voss went for the win. So I think I think for me I mean a little surprising, because I was hoping Voss would, because my fantasy tour team I need to conquer there. But when Pauline went who I'm the biggest PFP fanboy in the world and have been for years I was super excited to see her going up the road. I'm like man, this is going to be awesome. And then Voss won. So I thought today was really awesome. Yeah, and you know, just speaks to the excitement of women's racing, which my opinion right now, the way it is in the pro peloton, it is more exciting than the men's, my opinion.

Speaker 2:

It's fact.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, there's just like so much more dynamics to it, predictability, you know when it's uh, you know Tade versus Jonas and a couple people that go off the front of the women's, or, sorry, in the men's tour. I mean no shade to those guys, but it's just different style of racing, right, and some and some people argue with me, and that's fine. But I think if you tune in and get to know uh, these riders, get to know their stories, get to know the racing style, I think you'll find that, it you're just watching it from a pure competition standpoint, it's pretty dynamic.

Speaker 2:

And there's no one dominant rider. You know, Demi Vollering is the hot favorite.

Speaker 1:

For the GC.

Speaker 2:

Yes, for the GC, of course, but she lost last year. You know it's by four seconds. There were some circumstances in there, teamwork crashing. But Demi also got beat at Tour de Suisse year. You know it's by four seconds. There's some circumstances in there, teamwork crashing. But demi also got beat at tour de suisse last month, yeah, and just not quite as dominant. So we aren't gonna know who who's gonna win, at least until saturday. There's there. There will be no. It's already been wrapped up, like at the men's tour for the last what two and a half weeks.

Speaker 1:

Two weeks yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, exactly, so, yeah. So I think, like you know, with that as a backdrop and kind of planting the seeds of you know, stage one, it's, it's short, it's punchy, and all the teams kind of knew that, coming in, Uh, they want to, they got to deliver on day one, they have to be fresh and ready to go. And so, you know, on this podcast we're going to weave in these coaching topics and I thought that, uh, tapering would fit really well for stage one, because it's all about the taper. Uh, coming into any race stage race classics, race, fondo race, mountain bike race, that's local, like whatever it is right Kind of want to freshen up for that, and the bigger you go or the more elite you are, the more the taper matters. So, since tapering is so important and we have a direct line to one of the high performance directors on a team that's in the Tour de France, foms, I reached out to Emma Trott and I asked her this question and I asked her what goes into a good taper for a GC rider and how does that differ, if at all, for a sprinter versus a domestique?

Speaker 1:

Now, before I get into this long reading of sorts, because I was hoping she'd send a quick video. She gave me a typed out response. That's amazing and I was trying to chop it down and honestly it's some really good stuff in there, so I just want to keep it. But I don't know, rene, to you let's just go like 60 second version of what goes into a good taper, for let's just say you know, a GC rider, somebody wants to go real good elite level, and then how does that differ from a time crunched athlete coming into like a one day thing?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's a good question. Yeah, that's a good question. So before we taper, you have to have a training load to taper off of. Because if you don't have a high load to come off of because most of these gals are coming off of training camps or even the Giro the Giro was just two weeks ago coming off a high load to rest and recover and get some freshness. However, you don't want to rest so much that you start to lose fitness. So there's maintaining just enough intensity that you have a high training load back it off, recover to get the freshness, but not too much that you start to lose the fitness. So maintaining some key intensity is kind of the main concepts of a taper Now going into a one-day race or a stage race.

Speaker 2:

There's some differences here and there, but I'll say the main differences, because these guys and gals, these gals and there, but I'll say the main difference is because these guys and gals, these gals they're gals are coming into this as like their big, big priority of the year.

Speaker 2:

So they're probably coming in more like a two-week taper and when you're coming off a really high fitness load like these professional athletes, are that two weeks, 10 days, 12 days, you know somewhere in there to taper down to get ready is appropriate For time crunched athletes who are coming off of a lower load, like a lower CTL. If you will chronic training load, maybe your CTL is only 50. Well, if you taper for two weeks you're actually probably starting to lose fitness, more so than the freshness needed, because if you're not training that high maybe it's in that six hour week, eight hour week range. If you taper off you can gain freshness in maybe a few days you know three, four, five days to get the freshness. You don't. You're not coming off a CTL of like 150 off of a, you know 20 plus hour a week kind of training camp. So time crunched usually just a little shorter taper because you're coming off a lower load.

Speaker 1:

Yep, yep, that's it. That's it A hundred percent. So I think, like when everyone's listening to Emma's reply, you know this has come from the elite level, which is really fun to kind of hear and see what they're doing at that top end level. But this is where I think you know something like this about what's in the system beforehand how does the system work right and how much load is in that system, and there's different durations of a taper. In that way, and in this case, when you're coming off a high load of training and you're trying to get that freshness, there's a super compensation effect that happens so effectively, like if you can take an athlete at this high level, taper properly, they're actually going to be much better than they were after that taper, than they were in whatever fresh state before that that big like training dose that you gave them. Okay. So that super compensation effect will then last for a short time period. You want to race them, win all the medals and away you go. So, emma Trott, thank you for your response. Here's exactly what you typed over to me.

Speaker 1:

Tapering for any rider is quote a scary moment. Riders are so used to operating in a suppressed state. The feeling of fresh can be unnerving. I personally find myself having more conversations around trusting the process in this time than any other point of the year. The most important thing for me is knowing each of your riders, that they are all different and unique and what one needs is different than the other, which leads us to GC rider versus sprinters versus domestique, etc. First, for me it doesn't matter what role they have in the race. I deal with the rider I have in front of me.

Speaker 1:

We followed a slightly different approach for all the riders coming into the last altitude camp. Some riders follow down early, 12 days pre-Tour de France, and the other riders were a little late, so seven days before the race. And this was based on information that we gathered from a previous altitude camp. So the so, for context, you go, you have a couple altitude camps to see how the athlete responds, then you dial in the approach leading into the big race. So what?

Speaker 1:

So back to what Emma said, once we had everyone home at sea level, I had three buckets number one, freshness. Number two, speed. Number three, heat, top off. This is where the fun started for me, and everyone had a very different run into the tour. Some riders did very little maximum one hard sessions and lots of recovery rides. One hard sessions and lots of recovery rides, continuing to absorb the training done at that camp and allowing the body to further freshen up. Most riders did at least one motor pacing session in small groups to help get more real feel in regards to the micro accelerations and what the Peloton would feel like.

Speaker 1:

Heat and this is what she means by heat top off heat was used. If we knew the riders could tolerate it, it wouldn't add further fatigue minus what was already in the session, and that this was not trial and error. This was very much what we knew and the outcome will be yes or no for the rider. The most important element for all of this was communication. I had daily contact. If we needed to change things, we could, mostly taking things away based on real-time feedback.

Speaker 1:

For me at this point, we won't change the outcome massively. The hard work is done, but we can't overcook it at this point, so I err on the side of caution. It is easier to add things for the rider's feelings, sensations, mental side than to feel like you're fighting a losing battle. Lastly, she says I had one clear vision coming into the race Everyone was fresh physically, mentally, and they were ready to hit the race from day one. So they were fast, but, most importantly, they had that tension on the legs, which is always a good sign that they are ready to go. So there's a lot there. Renee, would you agree with that high level, or how could you surmise that for our listeners?

Speaker 2:

The individuality, how the individual responds. That's really key. And then you know, I think taking it to you know, application to our listeners is you've got to have that context of how you respond. But also, what are you coming off of for from your high load? Was your high load a just hard training block or, um, was your high training load? Maybe you're trying to extend your peak Like?

Speaker 2:

I'm going to pull out some examples from today a couple of gals, uh, coming off the zero two weeks ago, comparing like a two, well nine day or an eight day race versus a altitude training camp, and we actually saw some pretty poor results of the people who came off the zero, uh, uh, namely two of our top contenders out of gc already, um, and I was thinking about that in relation to some of my athletes. A great example is everyone racing Silver Rush and then you've only got three weeks to Leadville, which is kind of like your big load from Silver Rush and then enough freshness and recovery from that. Now that's three weeks, so it's a little bit longer, but you know, getting ready for Leadville, cause that's hard to do.

Speaker 1:

It is. It is and and for the quick context for those who don't know, most people know Leadville. Silver rush is a 50 mile mountain bike race. Essentially, take the flat elements out If that exists in the Leadville 100, make it more rocky and technical. And it's still up in Leadville and it's still at 10,000 feet. That's Silver Rush and they placed that like three weeks before. So that's the context behind what Renee is saying, but it's a great prep for Leadville itself. Yes, Right.

Speaker 2:

So using that training load, and then what are you going to do in the three weeks and I think in context to you know some of our athletes and the challenges I see with that kind of specific scenario and it could be like big hundred mile gravel race and then you're going to do another one in two weeks is that, if you're not coming into that first stress with enough behind it, if you're time crunched, and that's really going to put you in the hole, I'm going to recommend don't try to do those two races so close.

Speaker 2:

It's different if you're training 15, 20 hours a week and something like a 100 mile gravel race or the silver rush. You know these five, six plus hour races that you can absorb that a lot easier and then come back in maybe a week, 10 days, two weeks. So you have to, you know. So taking it, you know another level to our athletes and you're trying to peak for your event and we're talking about oh, you got to have a high training load. Well, you have to be careful with that training load as well. You know you can't go do a pro tour level training camp and then think that your body's going to bounce back in two weeks, when that's, you know, too much of a load for you. So the load going into your taper counts proportional to you as an athlete, then knowing how you respond.

Speaker 1:

Fully agree, and I think too for the Time Crunch listeners, is that that taper time period it's more art than science. I think the science would definitely say if you have a big load, if you're a high volume athlete coming in duration or increase the duration of the taper, that's good. You want to reduce volume, keep or increase intensity and decrease everything that Emma was talking about with, like the stresses of life, physical, mental, all these things increase recovery, okay. So kind of the higher volume athlete you are, the longer duration is. But the lower volume athlete you are, the more time crunched athlete you are, it's a shorter duration. But from there it's so individualized and it's very artistic in that way. So in my opinion, kind of like what to?

Speaker 1:

What Renee was saying is like if you have a couple big races, you know, you know coming up in the year and they're tightly packed together, I would try to choose something earlier in the year where you can practice a taper so you get to learn what works for you and what doesn't. So whether that's a two peaked approach for the year or you just have another time period where you can kind of test that taper for you, I highly suggest that, but it's very individualistic on all the seminars and symposiums and everything. It's always the art and science of tapering right. There's always those two components to it. And there's always those two components to coaching, whether you're coaching yourself or you're coaching somebody. So keep that in mind when it comes to that taper. But when we're looking at these women at the elite level, yeah, it's longer for sure, and there's more to it. Not everybody needs a taper or a peak.

Speaker 2:

That you know if you're doing something huge like Leadville Mountain Bike Race 9-10 hour event, super huge, like physically demanding event, you got to put a lot of work into that, that kind of event really, you know, to have that load going in really fatiguing to get the level of training to handle that demand. But if you're like I just want to keep up on the group rides, have some fun, maybe I'll do a century here there. You know you might not need a real taper or a peak and that's, you know, a little, a little different, is kind of feel good all the time, which could be a whole nother episode that we we talk about. But you know, just because you have an event doesn't mean you have to. You know do the classic taper you know could be enough for three or four days, easy Freshen up.

Speaker 1:

Yep, I completely agree with you and yes, of course this is getting my brain spinning about a future episode. Uh time you know the tapering for a time crunched athlete, because, uh, there's a lot to say there and I w I would to keep it real simple and to the point. I agree with you. You don't need to do a classic taper, however, even get to more specifically, when I've got somebody going into a weekend where they're racing two crits Saturday and Sunday, or maybe they double up on Saturday, so they're racing three crits in total, I call it a taper week, but it's not really a taper week, it's a freshening up week. Okay, the overall volume may come down a touch.

Speaker 1:

I'll keep some intensity in there and all that kind of stuff, but I definitely try to minimize the other stressors that are going into it. Because, in my opinion, as a coach, if we're racing, no matter what it is, I want to be a little bit more fresh. I'm going to even the training races. I'm still going to use them as training races in part of the whole CTL bill, of whatnot, but I do like my athletes coming in fresh. Most time crunch athletes can get fresh in two days, maybe three days mostly, and that is if they're really good at controlling their life stress. If they're not good at controlling their life stress, then we're going to. That's probably where we have a whole longer sort of uh conversation about all of that. But good point, I appreciate that.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I knew, I knew we were going to have a have too much to talk to, uh, but we've got uh eight more stages to go, so we going to cover a lot of really good stuff this week.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. So I guess, looking ahead to stage two, it's a little different than stage one, it's a little bit more flat and I don't know what are your insights. Maybe if anyone else is playing the To Sew fantasy tour for the Voms who would they pick?

Speaker 2:

Well, it's a little bit lumpy, so a little hilly, but the finish isn't going to be as hard as today. Like Lorena Wiebes hands down, best sprinter in the women's peloton bar, none Even better than Voss. Voss is pretty good and I actually between the two of them, but since Weavis is on my fantasy team, I'm going to pick her for tomorrow, but I would expect it to be a sprint finish. It might not be the whole Peloton. Things could get spicy, but we'll just have to see.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, I agree, I've got my stage pick on Vibas. It's a flat stage I don't know all the details about it and if they get some crosswinds and it chops up the Peloton, yeah, it could be a reduced bunch sprint, which even favors Vibas probably even more. She's got a good kick, so I'll be picking her and, yeah, I guess anything else. Before we round this, this whole episode off.

Speaker 2:

Well, it's already an exciting race. Just in that one last kilometer we had some gc impact racer out. Longo bergini lost a minute, demi lost a few seconds on that finish pfp ready to race I love pfp.

Speaker 1:

Don't ever count demi out. She'll. She'll be there, so, but let's, let's leave it there. Let's leave it there for today. We'll keep this short and sweet for all of our listeners who are crunched on time and don't have hours and hours to listen to podcasts. But we'll be back tomorrow with more race coverage and training talk for the two to France. Farms of XF. Coach Renee, thank you for joining me today and thank you for putting this whole project together.

Speaker 2:

Adam, thank you for joining me today and thank you for putting this whole project together. Adam, thank you for having me.

Speaker 1:

Can't wait to see you every day this week. My new best friend. That's really what I'm looking forward to. All right, ciao, bye, bye.

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