The University of Life
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The University of Life
The University of Life & Talia Di Giulio
What if the fastest way to better work… is to slow down and build a stronger family?
In this episode I sit with Talia, speaker, guide, and proud “wellness warrior”, to explore how motherhood reshaped her sense of purpose, softened her drive, and deepened her relationship with her body and nervous system.
From the vulnerability of a Kambo ceremony to the fierce trust of a home water birth, this conversation unpacks agency, presence, and the village it takes to raise both children and leaders.
We challenge the false divide between family and ambition, and discover how parenthood can actually sharpen focus. When time gets shorter, clarity gets stronger: fewer performance games, more essential action, cleaner boundaries. Talia shares how orienting toward service dissolves anxiety, how radical responsibility transforms mental health, and how every birth story imprints a family’s first memory of trust or tension.
We speak to the cost of living numb, the power of small rituals, and the compounding return of calm. Sleep, breath, presence, and saying no, these become the cornerstones of capacity.
At its heart, this is a call to re-centre presence. To honour mothers without shaming their choices. To invite fathers in as true partners. And to bring back the village — grandparents, friends, and community, who remind us we were never meant to do it all alone.
Whether you’re a parent or not, this conversation offers a blueprint for a calmer, clearer, more integrated life, where work serves what you love, not the other way around.
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Thank you for listening, Jamie x
So, Talia, welcome to the University of Life.
SPEAKER_03:I love you.
SPEAKER_00:Love you too. So, I have had the privilege of getting to watch your journey over like five, six years. And if I think back to my first memory, I think we were out for drinks or something like that. And now I see you online, I see you beating drums, I see you with your beautiful baby, your fantastic husband, and you're like a wellness warrior.
SPEAKER_03:Is that a nice definition? It was. It just like poured out of you. Wellness warrior.
SPEAKER_00:What I'm curious, how do you describe yourself?
SPEAKER_03:I would say just a really energetic, passionate woman.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But wellness warrior kind of definitely wraps it up. The WW.
SPEAKER_00:I like that. You're coming in not just for a podcast, but a little bit of a branding session.
SPEAKER_03:This is good stuff.
SPEAKER_00:Good. How do you describe what you do? Like the work that you do, the people you help.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I mean, it's honestly evolved so much over the years. But I would say today, I genuinely feel like I support women and men, women and men, to like really come home to themselves.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Okay, so uh hand on heart, honesty in terms of like, why did I invite you in here? Why did I want to chat? Um, it makes complete sense when you're like, wow, things have evolved so much. Yeah. Just when we first met, you were so relatable, insofar as you were so familiar in terms of just like, oh yeah, that's my friend who goes out for drinks the weekend, and it's just, you know, living her best life, let's say. But getting to like watch on and see you go through an absolute spiritual transformation. And then it really embody just like life, which is which I think is really important because like sometimes when you meet friends and they're like, How are you? They're like, I'm fine, yeah, fine, everything's fine. But when I sit down with you and I say, Tal, how are you? People are like, Well, Jamie, I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, you don't lie, you're very, very transparent. And I um I love that about you.
SPEAKER_03:Thanks.
SPEAKER_00:I also love that I I believe the best coaches they show up in the world as the person they wished they had in their lives only a few short years ago.
SPEAKER_03:Be fair to say, absolutely. Even you saying that to me about being like fully transparent with myself, that stems from my inner child because um shout out, mom, I love you. And I grew up in a world where anything that you're going through, any moments of pain, anything that is not positive and like easy, hide it. And I think somewhere along the way, even as a young girl, I really felt how like detrimental that was. So now I just I just take an oath, baby. I'm like, oof, what am I feeling today? Am I on? Am I off? Am I feeling like and kindly if a friend asks me that, right? Because we're also living in a time where a lot of people don't really care to ask. It's like, hey, babe, no, I'm actually, I'm not, I'm not my greatest today.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So on that note, I want to have just a fluid conversation. I want to check in with a friend and say, hey, how are you? Yeah. And uh and see what comes up in that respect. So, Tal, how are you? I'm curious what's going on in your life. What are you challenged by? What are you learning most? What are you passionate about?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I mean, right now, and you said open forum, we're just gonna conversate, right? I'm literally coming out of five days ago, I sat with some medicine, some beautiful Gaia medicine. Um, and I will share it here. I'm like, don't be cryptic, Tal.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I was about to poke it anyway.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so I sat with Kambo one Saturday morning. And prior to that, I would say um there's been the last couple of months, there's been this like necessity to just like really slow it all down. Like, really slow it all down and just like ask myself, okay, we've gotten to this point, we've created this. When do you stop climbing the hill? Like, when do you actually just pause and just stop and just like really feel everything that you've created? So I'm feeling great. And also at the same time, and I would say my work is always like that edge, that pull that you get of like, oh, there's more in the tank, or there's something more that we can do, or there's something more that we can impact. I'm really feeling like right now, especially with where our world is, how necessary it is to just be still.
SPEAKER_00:And how difficult.
SPEAKER_03:And how absolutely difficult and petrifying actually can feel. And that's not to say I am unable to do it. It's more I feel this almost deep um commitment to who I be and how I am and what I've gone through to like share that because I can see how important it is for so many other people that are almost just like going through the motions. And so to answer your question, and I know we haven't got here yet, but like, man, babe, like life is a dance. Honestly, every day I am juggling and multitasking and holding the identities of being a woman in business, being this like guide. I hate really identifying with coach because it doesn't feel resonant for me, but just like being a being the warrior, the wellness warrior guide for women. It's like, where do we need to go? And like take a mirror up to like what you already feel. Ah, you knew the answer, right? I didn't do that for you. So holding that was also being a freaking mom. And a wife. And a wife. And a friend. And a friend. And I will say on your podcast, because it is a mirror of you, Jamie. I really care about all those roles very deeply. And I pour into them a hundred percent.
SPEAKER_00:So talk to me about the significance of doing combo five days ago.
SPEAKER_03:What's that about? So I sat with um, there are two different types of uh, I would say the frog, um, Amazonian medicine. For those that are like, what is she talking about? Take a moment and just do your research. But on a very surface level, combo is essentially a um, it's a compound that is excreted through a toad and it is applied onto your body. It's not a psychoactive, so it's not a psychedelic. It's more a physical purge. Um, it lasts for about a 30-minute experience. And when I quite literally tell you that I went through a physical death, I went through a physical death. Um, this will be the fourth time I've sat with Cambo. The last time I sat with Cambo was literally two and a half years ago. And six weeks later, I got pregnant with my daughter.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. Wow. Um, let me rewind there because my understanding of Cambo is that it's like nature's antibiotics.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:You put it into your system, yeah, it clears everything in your system, it pumps your immune system up to high heavens, it flushes you out. And my experience, I've done it a few times, is like it completely floored me.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But in the days then leading out, sorry, coming afterwards, I felt I could step up all the more, I could stand up all the more, and I felt lighter. I felt cleared. Yeah. Um, so it's like, okay, we're gonna give you a little bit of poison, your body will completely dramatically react.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And as a result of that, you will feel fantastic.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And I knew that going into it, and that was such a beautiful definition of combo because it really is a very short experience of what I believe good diet, good, you know, nutrition, moving your body, like all these things that you know most of us would appreciate and do. Carbo really takes your body there. Like if you want a full reset, you want to really like alchemize your immune system, your gut, everything, um, it's gonna do that in one hour.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. So what I'm kind of hearing is before you're busy, you're juggling in numerous roles, and you recognize you need to slow down, you're trying to almost fit f find some catalyst in terms of slowing down, and that has been your catalyst. Yeah. Only five days ago, but you're feeling much more at peace, much more grounded.
SPEAKER_03:Oh my God, like so much. And also just the level of like really respecting my physical body again, of going, oh, for me to also do what I do, which is just show up for my daughter on a daily holding space for other women, my body needs to be clear. It needs to be the right vessel to do that. And I think prior to doing combo, because I'm so in the work, I was tapped. I was just tired. I was just so exhausted. And what a gift that I've been able to do that in the experience of an hour. That day on Saturday was like, I mean, I literally shape shifted, you know, you've done combo. I literally looked like a frog.
SPEAKER_00:I find what you, yeah. I I find what you shared is is really um confronting for me is that the the more tired I am, the more stressed I am. The more I see my problems and the more I think I need to solve those problems. Obviously, in that state, I am so less capable of solving those problems. Um, but on the other side, when I do slow down, when I rest, actually, naturally, I'm so optimistic. I don't, I don't even see the problems, but if they're there, I'm like, that's fine. I have this amazing ability just to get on with life. Um, but it's so hard to tap into that when I'm out of sword. So, what's the calling? What was the trigger for you that you're like, okay, I need to slow down now?
SPEAKER_03:I have a whole new level of respect and understanding that my role right now, more than anything, is to be a mother. And I think when you, you know this more than anyone, GM. It's like when you are in in containers where your capacity is stretched. I know for me, and I'll leave speak for me, is like the more it's required to stretch, I'm actually able to hold more of a capacity. But this is what people see, you know, externally. It's what we kind of glorify, it's what we validate. Like you're doing well, you're you're thriving, you're this. What people don't see for women, particularly that are mothers, is the behind the scenes stuff. It's the mundane, like, you need me to get that toy, you want a snack, you want to this, they want to play, you want to put them. It's that that there's like this necessity of just constantly being on. And I think for me, the cattle was like in my maiden season, it was like, I actually get to take a moment to just like stop. But that doesn't happen when you're a mother. So I needed to have a moment where it's like, I actually need to pull the brake. I know that the medicine, I know because I have so much respect and reverence for it, will take me there. And how I come out in that on the other side will at least feel more connected and better instead of almost like burning out my nervous system and feeling constantly overstimulated all the time.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, can I run something past you? Please. As a naive single man here, no kids. Um I I I like to say that like when you're calm, when you're grounded, you you naturally meet the world that little bit slower. You make good decisions. And good decisions generally save you time, save you effort, save you energy. Uh on the other side, when you're out of sorts, you will make bad decisions. Bad decisions cost you time, cost you money, cost you energy. Generally need about five or six good decisions just to put them right. So my whole kind of philosophy is yeah, you slow down. Um, when you're out of sorts, slow down. But you just said you can't do that as a mother.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So yeah. Like I have to kind of poke poke, like, yeah, you're constantly held to a consistent pace.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Um, there is no get up. Definitely, if you're out of sorts, you're gonna make things worse with your kid, and and that's gonna take up more time. So there must be some correlation to that of like, if I can meet my kids with peace and love, we will be in a calmer state and it will be less energetically taxing. Or is it like, no, it's full on, Jay. Prepare yourself.
SPEAKER_03:So I think there's two sides of this. There's, I think the lane that I personally am coming from and only can speak to is that um being a mother, and I wish that I heard this more, Jim, is like women saying being a mother is enough. When I was growing up, even with my own mom, now that I am one, I have so much more respect for the role that she played because I used to have this judgment of like, my mom just like took on the role and was like only the mother. Like, what was going on? Where was her purpose and her vision outside of that? And now that I am one, I'm like, the greatest role I'll ever play, the only role that I could play is being a mom, is literally one of my highest values is presence. So, like if we're here, which we've always been, like I'm right here with you, right? And that's that's a dance, that's a real dance. But for me personally, as a mother, it's like when I'm with my daughter, I'm right there with her. And that's not to say it's always chaotic. It's just meeting them in the mirror of like what they're going through that day. Where I think I'm coming from as a woman who is a mom and also um has a life outside of the purpose of being mother. You know, I've got my roles in my work. As long as I can gain some sort of control and peace and move through that with like calmness, I know that it's not going to be just crazy, crazy, crazy motherhood and crazy, crazy, crazy work life because what ends up happening? They just blow up. All crazy. It's all crazy. But you're absolutely right, and you fully called me out on that. I wouldn't say at all, especially my daughter's true right now. So I'm in the toddler throws. I would say until about 10 years old, you're going to have somewhat a, I love to say the beautiful chaos of, you know, you and your nervous system and your world because you are literally raising a child.
SPEAKER_00:No, I I I just say I there's a guy, Mark Laws, who I I interviewed on this podcast before, and he spoke beautifully about essentially your teeth your children being your teachers. Oh my God. And with that kind of respect and reverence for your kids, for whatever they bring up, if you learn from it, it will make the parenting process easier.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:However, if you're if you're energetically not there, if you're too tired, and natural fact you get frustrated by whatever they're up to, you'll make the situation worse. Yeah. And so it's a process that you can either learn to flow with, in which case there is such a joy, or you don't. Yeah. And it just becomes such an enormous disruptor that if you don't get on board, exactly that expression.
SPEAKER_03:And you said about like the catalysts, like I will say everything that I do today is for her. Everything that I'm learning, going through, relearning, removing, like my why is truly for her.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. Good. So can I ask then your career, your work?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:That's completely secondary to parenting, correct? Yeah. Good. Because what what you said is there's really no greater thing than we could do than be a mother.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. I I would say that with regards to myself, than to be a father.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Like I at 38, not with kids, I feel quite purposeless. It's like, and I I actually I I think there's such um such reverence for career, such ridiculous, over uh, over-emphasized kind of ideology around money and and this odd disrespect about parenting, um, so much so that people would let's say disrespect, sorry, deprioritize parenting for career.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Um, and there's a that there's a thought that, like, no, no, no, you know, you have to to put bread on the table. My belief actually is that when you have your priorities right, like if you know, first and foremost, if you are blessed to have kids, it's all the more reason to show up for yourself because the better you show up for yourself, the better you'll be able to show up for your kids. You then prioritize your kids and you show up first, you're you know, then for them. And the better you do, the better quality of life you enjoy together with them. Work is is after that. And provided you're showing up for yourself and you're showing up for your family, work is actually meant very differently. Yeah. Instead of giving yourself to your work, work is functional. Work is to give to your family and you meet your work with much greater discernment, much greater productivity, time efficiency. Absolutely. Because you're forced to.
SPEAKER_03:And I would say it's interesting because we've known each other six, seven years. It's it's been we've been a minute. We've known each other in many, many seasons, which I've loved. And it's really beautiful because you um just as friends, you really see me in where I am now. And I think a big piece to that of like really holding wellness warrior is I almost feel more connected to my work now than I did before. And I think a piece to that is yes, it's secondary, but it it feels you almost go through, and I know this sounds so cliche, but like a death and a rebirth. Because when you become a mom, particularly it's fatherhood too, but when you become a mother, physically, emotionally, spiritually, energetically, mentally, you have gone through a complete 180. The moment that I found out I was pregnant, I literally felt it in myself, like gear up, tell, because everything's about to shift. And you know, for any mom that's listening, oh my God, I see you, I love you, I know what it takes. And I want to, I have a deep passion, Jamie, to be part of the narrative for women that we have kids, if you're fortunate enough to have them, to prioritize them first, yes, and to know that it is a choice to lose yourself in motherhood. And this is where, you know, insert the work that I do, like really being in that space with women because it's so impactful, Jamie. Like I love nothing more than watching my daughter light up because she's just learnt this new word or had this moment where she's giggled to mommy. Equally, on the other side of that, when one of my clients or one of my girls is like, oh my gosh, Tyle, I just had that moment of completely healing that moment of my inner child with my dad. They're they're they're the same. And obviously, as a mom, we're not in the same work as maybe I am right now, but I do believe it's why I took a path after having a Laura of like, what do I actually want to do for work? What is impactful for me? What actually, what is what is of substance that I can play? And you've seen me from the beginning. I've kind of pivoted in that from what I was doing prior. Um, there's there's so much purpose in the small and the big things. And that's not just being a mother or a seven-figure coach or you know, the biggest, you know, brand ambassador. I'm finding that it's in the small moments of who we're becoming and the lessons in whatever we're doing that kind of feels like the joy, the success.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. So if I'm like kind of rewinding there, what I'm hearing is that really in becoming a mother, it brings a hell of a greater purpose to one's career. And really that is because you're working for something not just yourself. You're working for more than that. Yeah. Um, that changes the way you show up in the work, and it can be an enormous catalyst to think differently with regards to our attitudes about work. I I do think a lot of people work as a like a coping mechanism, a distract a distraction, an escape. Um, but with the right energy and with the right framing, it can be it can be incredible.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Is that what absolutely? Like everything that I do, the you know, my containers with my women, I'm now obviously, as you've seen, like I'm holding my retreats. Like I want to be in that space. I want to do that work. I don't know even if prior, although it was I was dancing in those realms, I don't know if like I was really in it, in it. And now that I'm a mom, it's just given me a whole new level of like um appreciation, but I will also say the efficiency of where my energy goes in every moment.
SPEAKER_00:So there's a big smile coming over my face because I did I think there must be a stereotype about women that give birth and then become like savage entrepreneurs.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah. I I'm gonna say something. People talk about how women birth the child, but no one talks about how the woman rebirths herself.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And that is something that I think we've lost because even as a mother, it's always, how's the child going? Oh my God, you birth and watching them grow. And but the the the conversation really gets to be how's the mom going? How's the woman going? Where did she shift? Where did she change? And there is a connection to particularly entrepreneurial women that are moms, become moms. It's almost like, can I swear on this podcast? Like a no fucks given, like ruthless, like you say what you want, you go for what you want, you do it with this like half an hour window on some days, maybe five-hour window on other days, because everything you're doing and who you be as a mother is just you're so in it that anything you thought you cared about, or the person you would offend, or you know, the thing of what the way you wanted to be portrayed, or the judgment or the comparison, it just for me anyway, just goes away.
SPEAKER_00:I am I got to work with a fund. It was so cool. Like, Jamie, come in, work with all our entrepreneurs was like amazing. Um, but a conversation came up within where they talked about um one person within the fund only wanting to back uh single men uh because you know they didn't want them distracted by their partners or they didn't want them distracted by kids. So they actually as a bit of a study and decided, well, let's actually seek out some married men. And obviously, some of the single men ended up getting married and having kids. What they recognized, and a very obvious trend amongst all of them, was that as men married and then had kids, their productivity, their efficiency, their performance, the profitability of their businesses all went up through the roof. I think that's such a common misconception. I think a lot of people think like, oh, if you want to be successful in the world, you need to go it alone. And um and it's it's so nice to hear some, let's say, facts and some substance and some data to no, no, no, go together. Yeah. There's I I don't I think we live in this odd world right now where one, uh parenting isn't given the credit it should be. And two, people actually don't see how it's not just like a nicety, it's actually almost the edge. Um and I love that like the rebirthing the mother and that like don't fuck with me attitude that you spoke to and the the get up and the go drive that comes from it is something that yeah, people people don't don't have. Uh I I had a tight taste in my life of let's say gearing up for that energy, and I could feel it. Yeah, I could like I could feel this different sense of purpose building inside me of like, Jamie, come on now. You're working for somebody other than yourself, you're prepping for the future. Let's go. Yeah, it was beautiful.
SPEAKER_03:And I love that you're speaking into the male and the fatherhood piece because obviously, you know, naturally more women conversate. And this is what I've always adored about you, because while maybe not in that season of your life now, you understand it, you you're willing to have the conversations. And it's so interesting. Obviously, we're both out here in Bali. Just in my partner's circle alone, there's always this common theme, maybe dare I say, outside of you, where a lot of the males is like, ugh, like I've planned for this future. It doesn't really involve kids. Doesn't really involve getting married. And it doesn't really involve, and it's been so interesting for me to sit back and listen to my partner hear that. And even just in the last few weeks, him lean in and share, well, actually, for me personally, there's so much more purpose in what I'm doing now. My life has become so much more deep, deeper and more fulfilling because it's not just, and you nailed it, it's bigger than me.
SPEAKER_00:I I so I'm of the belief, and like my job is is a joy now, because I get to I get to literally talk very, very intimately with multiple entrepreneurs daily. And I now strong bel strongly believe that nobody um nobody builds an enormous business from a sound grounded place. Like if you really think about it, if you're in a sound, grounded place, you have a lovely relationship with your family, lovely relationship with your partner, your kids, why on earth would you want to spend all your time working? 100%. And that that actually kind of gets a bit skewed when you think about, oh God, the kind of person it must take to build a 100 million euro plus business or a billion euro business. It's like, ooh, yeah, that's that's edgy. Yeah. Um whereas I, yeah, I I I wind it right back. And I I think there is this lovely, this lovely balanced perspective, let's say, where you would look at look at life and think, how would anybody um prioritize career over family?
SPEAKER_03:Totally.
SPEAKER_00:And I I believe it comes from a wound. I believe it comes from a sad place. And I I I I had a beautiful conversation actually with like a friend in my life who's very strong, very confronting, who's just had two kids. And I was asking about you know the impacts on his career and the impacts on his life and everything. He was like, Jamie, why are we even having this conversation? Fuck the career. Like the moment I got to look in my daughter's eyes, I'm sorry, the career is secondary. That was huge for me. And it any anyway, the conversation went on to essentially lead to the point of there is no greater purpose for us, full stop, than to create life.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, if you think about it, the greatest legacy, including your businesses, including everything you're creating from a work standpoint, the greatest legacy that we can live behind, if fortunate enough, and I say that because I have deep, deep, deep respect. My my uh birthing, falling pregnant journey was a journey in itself. But if you are fortunate enough in this lifetime to have kids, that is the greatest legacy you'll ever leave behind. And I love that you're touching on this piece of balance because I really do believe that in itself is an initiation for any individual that has become a parent to lean into. Because the reality is, Jamie, not everyone does. You become a father, you become a mother, and it's like, oh my God, I I get it. And I'm leaning into this. And that doesn't mean let go of everything I've created. That doesn't mean completely like in some sense self-sabotage, let's just drop out now.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But it's but it's also a respect to knowing when do I just get to take a moment.
SPEAKER_00:Sorry, I I totally get it, by the way. The the idea of parenting scares the hell out of me too. Like I am as I am as free as can be, right? And uh and the idea of let's say that that that responsibility.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Um, I was watching my friend, my friend's a professional skydiver, she is so cool. Um and she posted this video of like her and her in the in the plane on the way up before skydiving. And she's like, right now I'm going through severe anxiety, overwhelm, fears about death, planning my like planning my will. And then it pictured her like jumping out of the plane, and right now I'm experiencing absolute bliss. And in the copy that she wrote, she was like, It's just funny how the most freeing things, the most exhilarating things, the most purposeful things that we will do in our life in complimenting to our soul, yeah, will oftentimes be blocked by those harsh feelings. And I think unfortunately, a lot of us we we perhaps naively just see the blocks, don't see beyond the horizon and trap ourselves in that in that state. Um yeah, like I I if we were having a conversation this conversation a few years ago, I would have been like, ugh.
SPEAKER_03:Same, babe. I mean, here's the people, you know, we're having this conversation now, but it's like if you had told me, I will shamelessly say this because I think more women get to own it, like I'm 35 now. I had my daughter at you know, 33. I wasn't the youngest mama. If you had even asked me at 30 years old, like, do you want to be a mom? Nope. No. And I and I feel for me anyway, I look back and I'm like, there were pieces of that that maybe were a little selfish in the vision. Like, what happens if I become a mom? But also like that, it's the the responsibility. Because I too, much like you, this is why I'm like a butterfly. I like freedom is my my biggest thing. Until I then realized, and I remember hearing this quote the greatest burden we can give our children is them looking at their parents living an unfulfilled life.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And that shifted everything for me because I was like, oh my God, so I can be a mom and still lean into the edges and still lean into everything that I want to do. Yes, it's gonna come with a freaking balance, but I can still do all of this.
SPEAKER_00:You you touched on something early as well. There was a one of my earliest podcasts with a woman called Natasha, she was amazing, Natasha Vaviser, and she talked about how she didn't want to be enslaved to her kids. And she worked so hard, like she worked so hard to live a life true to herself whilst parenting, because the greatest gift she felt she could give her kids is exactly that, to really truly see her mother and not just be a maid to the kids. Yeah. And I I I remember I like at that point, I I didn't quite fully grasp what that meant. I I completely get it. It is a it is a really no doubt challenging experience where you can so easily lose yourself.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Um, however, for exactly the reason why you've noted there, it is so important that you don't, because at the end of the day, every lesson is being imparted on.
SPEAKER_03:And everything is a habit and everything is a choice. And I think if you can make that commitment with yourself that this is a conscious choice, that I really see I'm not going to be part of the narrative because I know for me, Jamie, before I became a mom, all I heard was mothers lose themselves in motherhood. I think this also stemmed to why I was so in fear of becoming a mother. Right up until I hope you don't mind and pivot for a second, but I birthed my daughter naturally in my house, water birth, unmedicated.
SPEAKER_00:God bless.
SPEAKER_03:I did that warrior. What did you call me?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, warrior woman. Well it's warrior.
SPEAKER_03:Thank you. And I I share that now, but it has taken me two years for when I bump into women or we're out here or a woman's pregnant or they see me with a Laura. Oh, and tell do you mind me asking, like, how did you birth? And I had shame, Jamie, around sharing my birth with women because I thought, oh my God, most women don't want to do that, can't do that. They're in the hospital, they're having cesareans and all well and good with however your child comes into the world. Good job, mama. But it goes all the way back to I made that conscious choice. I made a choice that I wanted to birth my daughter unmedicated in my house so she could be right on my chest the moment she came out naturally. And I think what's happening with women is like we're almost going into a space where we're shaming ourselves for doing the things that we want to be doing instead of just following the narrative that we've heard, which is like mothers lose themselves, go to the hospital, da-da-da-da. It's like, let's create the new story. And if you know me, you know I'm a little bit of a disruptor in that way, where I'm like, we're gonna change the narrative here, right? But that starts with you first. So to end this kind of mother piece, it's it doesn't end there. It continues to you are shaping new things in which you didn't see because I know for sure I didn't see my mom do this with me.
SPEAKER_00:I am as much as you're like, to end this piece, I'm like, oh no, no, we could go run all day. There is a thought, like I I cannot understand how um oh I'm consumed, sorry, confused, but overwhelmed, distracted, like how just all over the place the let's say the processes are around um around birthing, around family, around motherhood, around fatherhood. Like I I have this idea. I saw that I saw this reel on Instagram, I thought it was really good. It essentially talked about how families that stick together prosper dramatically. And that's like that's not just like you know, kids that stay on. It's kids that stay on. Perhaps they build an additional house in a live like almost in a competitive, which they do over here in Bay. Yeah, the village. Um, but like that, you know, the mothers that cook together, they raise the kids together, the kids are raised by the grandparents. And it talked about how when a family really sticks together, how they're just in a different wavelength altogether. Um, and then it showed the inverse of that of like how a lot of kids are ashamed if they stay in their family home past the age of 18.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:They go out into renting, uh, they take on the fur financial burden of that. There's the pressure to get a mortgage as soon as possible. Whatever resources they have as a family are just cut, cut, cut, cut, split. Um, this idea that it's good to be independent. Yeah. And my belief is that that's nonsense. I I I think this whole idea of it's good to be independent is a complete misunderstanding. Yeah. And an actual fact, the more connection you can have, the better. And uh and I think like the the conspiratorial type in me is like it starts at birth and it goes all the way on from there.
SPEAKER_03:That's a beautiful piece, yeah. And I think I I think I have to stay with you on the independence because I think now, especially as adults, we're almost acting in independence from a place of trauma versus uh, and I mean, look at you and I we we live abroad, we look at the life we've held. There's a level of independence that is required in that. And I'm super grateful for those pieces of my independence. And how are we leaning into that so much that we forget the tribe, the village, you know?
SPEAKER_00:Um But if like if I if I take you back, for example, say into your like you talked about a home birthing process, right? So that's a very like that's you together.
SPEAKER_03:Um I had my doula, my two midwives, and Josh.
SPEAKER_00:And a whole so a whole community around that whole process.
SPEAKER_03:Absolutely. No, no, no roles per se of the doctors and all the things, although the women were, but the greatest, I always say this, and thank you for bringing it up. The best thing to my birth was having my partner with me. Holding me in every surge, in every push, in every moment of look, I can't do this. Like he was right there.
SPEAKER_00:Beautiful. I'd say that so I'd say that sowed a whole new depth of foundation to your relationship, correct?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah. And also let's talk into that piece for the for the male. How amazing for you guys to witness your lady in that process and what that would then do for you as a man of having deep respect and almost up-leveling for the strength that is required. That if she can, I can.
SPEAKER_00:So I I I the thing, the thought that's coming to mind is when in COVID in Ireland, they banned fathers from um maternity reports. So women had to give birth on their own. Men were actually banned from that process, which is just me inherently, I'm like, oh, because yeah, I can see that that is an incredible, almost beautiful rite of passage for a couple to go through.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And an enormous bonding experience that without can actually cause a cause a divide or a gap.
SPEAKER_03:And Ab and thank you for saying that because so much sensitivity for the women that don't have their partners there or are maybe doing it in a different way that doesn't feel wholesome and trusting in this like environment that you know, which is your home. But I will say that however, you know, going all the way back to it starts at birth tile, I deeply believe that, Jamie. And it is why I chose the way that I did, because the moment a child comes into the world, I mean, we don't remember this. I don't remember your first, I don't know if you remember your first profound memory as a kid. I go back to maybe five. I don't remember anything before that, but I know that it lives in my body.
SPEAKER_00:I have I have a memory of being washed in a sink. So I can only imagine what age I was, but that is so cute.
SPEAKER_03:I love that for you. Thank you. Your mom, your dad?
SPEAKER_00:My mom and dad, yeah, but like both at separate occasions. Uh but I so for me, what I love is when I when I think of your birth, I think of your family, I think of intimacy, I think of you together.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Where I think of a lot of hospital births, and I again I haven't been through this process. This is just me throw throwing my two cents, how naive it is, but like the idea that there's so many interfering hands, yeah, there's such a clinical approach in such a time of intimacy, then no wonder there's so much pain.
SPEAKER_02:Totally.
SPEAKER_00:Um, and yeah, I feel that that breaking of the family nucleus is set in at such an early age, and it's it's then like, well, you know, life is so bloody tough that you and there's such shame around just being a mother that there's all this push. One thing I think I found fascinating when I was over in Rio, I got to um got to connect with this political economist who was so smart, and she was talking about essentially the development of the family in uh Brazil. She was like, Jamie, 30, 40 years ago, no mothers were working. Uh men were out, men were working, and there was a there was a like a lot more disposable income, essentially. Um, but but and a lot more reverence around motherhood. But now as as things have pushed on, the father's been pulled out of the home more, the mother's been pulled out of the home more, kids have been pushed into supporting care more. And it's you know what the way we sort of talk about this idea of, oh yeah, we're evolving, we're evolving, we're losing such um We're evolving and we're also going 50 steps back. But I'd love to know the financial impacts. Like, of course, people can do the quick maths and be like, okay, career versus career income versus um cost of crash, let's say. Yes, in that instance. But as we draw it out years, like I'd love to see if people are kept closer together as a as a family, what are the impacts in terms of let's say reduced reduced uh therapy, reduced care, reduced reduced needs. And really controversial subject. Oh my god, I I'm actually I'm about to like look at the camera and be like, listeners, please don't rip me to shreds.
SPEAKER_03:But it's actually good for you for bringing up the conversations.
SPEAKER_00:It's yeah, it's an it's a for me. Well, actually, to be honest, for these podcasts, I don't edit them at all. Yes. And I love that it for me, I've always learned best through conversations. Sometimes the lessons have been literally somebody stepping across the table, slapping me and be like, you don't say that. Um, but it is I think it is a really important thing to to explore. And and certainly, certainly for me, like I think there's some amazing questions, but then there's some others that are run like bloody, you know, again, this kind of clinical approach, which uh I get really saddened by.
SPEAKER_03:And I feel so lit up that you're so intrigued by this, and this is something like so potent for you because it is just so refreshing as a male to be sitting here opposite me and just like at least this is how I receive it, wanting to learn so much about this. And I desire this and hear it first on this podcast, that more men could be in these types of conversations. So, to go back to what you were saying, and I need to go back here, you said something really beautiful, which is the moment in which that birth is created and there's that family there from the beginning, how that kind of shapes uh, you know, that that child and that family unit. And that is exactly what has happened for our family. Because it was, it was how my daughter came into the world, my partner was really present, and we've kind of been a unit, it's almost been as if we didn't know anything else. And so we've continued that. And I think that that's really speaks to the idea of coming all the way back to as individuals, trusting your partner, trusting yourself, trusting the vision that you have rather than looking outside of yourself and finding all these different things and ways and what you think is right, and what should I do that better and do this? I really believe as a society right now, we are in a time where we really, really get to take a minute, take what feels right for you, including this conversation, and remove everything else that doesn't feel true to you. And if we come back to that place of pouring trust back in back into ourselves, how I think parents will transform children today and those children watching, those parents, we're gonna have, I would like to believe, a generation of children that are gonna be so embodied, so in their truth, so in their, well, I know what feels right for me. And so to go all the way now into okay, well, how has that affected, you know, financial means and whatever? Although I took you on a journey of like not really wanting to a mom, if I go back now, my daughter's almost, she's two and a half. My entrepreneurial journey was deeply wired, Jamie, in what if, what if I become a mom one day?
SPEAKER_00:And I think that there's From an excitement perspective or from a fear perspective?
SPEAKER_03:From an excitement perspective of, okay, and if I become a mom, I really see how these building blocks that I'm creating will really support me to being more present with my daughter or son, being around a lot more, creating financial means, creating more choice, creating more freedom, da-da-da-da-da-da. So take what you will from what I shared, but I think a big piece of parenthood is making sure that you're deeply connected to your why outside of yourself. That's just the common message that I feel I want to say. It's like when you can do anything that is just a little bit greater, a little bit deeper, a little bit more that is going to affect things outside of you. I truly, truly believe that we live a more fulfilled life.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, so so parenthood is essentially that big, that push, that catalyst to think bigger, do more.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Again, kind of going to the going back to that idea of it's an edge. Yeah. It's actually an opportunity that most people are missing. They think, oh no, no, I've just got to care, think about my career. It's like you feel think about yourself, think about your family. Ultimately speaking, it will just very naturally see you thinking bigger picture too.
SPEAKER_03:And I think if so many more of us, because there is so much means, opportunities, there are so much more resources. My family surprised us. They were here for a few days, as you saw, four or five days. And I was, I found myself in this conversation with my dad around like Pops, why did why have you done the thing that you wanted to do? Why have you built out your business? Why have you built out your firm? And it was, it just smacked me in the face when you said, like, for me, although you watched me work a lot, Tal, I could have had moments that I could have been there more for you and your brother. It was always about you guys. And I think if we can take that old construct of our parents, our grandparents, the ancestors today with where we are as modern parents and get clear from the beginning. Why are you building the career? Why are you building the businesses? And it's more than just you. I think we're gonna have a really beautiful, I would like to believe we have a really more beautiful, evolved yeah, parenting families.
SPEAKER_00:I think there's another thing as well that when you have a family, you think more societally, you want to make sure the world that your kids grow up in is a better world. It knocks morals into people. I think that's something that's like, again, if I go back to my conspiratorial sense, I'm like, maybe people are being isolated, and maybe the whole idea of parenting isn't as encouraged because when people have kids, they're more societally conscious. They want to make sure their kids grow up in a better environment. So they're gonna they are going to really scrutinize the way society is developing. Absolutely. Um the yeah, so the like I would say, I'm sure there's a hell of a lot of exceptions to the opposite, but I I believe that entrepreneurially you are going to be more consciously minded, you are going to be more morally balanced, you are going to be more ethical, you are going to want to see things better off in the world.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I mean, everything in which I hear or listen to or conversate with today, I'm always thinking of my daughter in mind. It's like, how is that going to shape her? Or else before it was just more so, what do I gain from that? And I think there's this really beautiful shift. And again, I want to preface in saying this. I don't think you need to become a parent to lead from this place. I do not think that you need to be slash part two for if and when Jamie's a papa one day. This conversation. I said it here. Um I don't think you need to be a parent to come back to the roots of you can have the vision, you can have the success, you can create all the things. And then what? Where do you go from there? Who are you sharing it with? Who's up at who's up the top with you? Where's the joy? Where's the presence? Where's the legacy? And I think it's really important that we say that. Because I used to be so triggered listening to these conversations before I was a mom. It's like, well, I can't, I can't resonate. I can't, I can't, I don't, I don't know that side of things. Um, and I will say, and I might be a little bit controversial in saying this, I think only until you become a parent, only until you're in the arena, will you know.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I I I I when you talk about the triggering, I the as this whole conversation has been going, I'm like, oh God, I am not looking forward to feedback, some of the feedback because I'm amazed at how sensitive these conversations can be, how emotional, how triggering triggered people can be. Um but like you said, it's actually it's lovely to get to talk into it. It's lovely to get to explore the points. And what I do find is that that point that you just shared there of like, of course, you can have all these ideals and you can have all these values on your own independent path. Absolutely. Um it's just some you have to work really hard for and some come as a byproduct.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I just I think the beauty in life lives in doing and being and planning anything outside of just yourself. I don't know if you agree with that, but for me personally, there has been so much joy and love and impact in my life when it has been greater than me.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I I shared a story, um, I think it's Leila Harmozy, Alex Hermosy's wife, where she was saying, um uh you're not anxious, you're just selfish. Uh your imposter syndrome is coming from being too overly uh self-centered. And she said, when it is that we are becoming too overwhelmed, we're just thinking too much about ourselves. And on the inverse of that, that when we are thinking about the gifts that we can share, the value we can bring to others, generally speaking, we exceed ourselves. Generally, we realize a capacity we didn't even know was inside of us. And so the the although we're being so sympathetic to anxiety and imposter syndrome and all these worries that people can get, in actual fact, maybe we shouldn't be too sympathetic. Maybe actually we should see it as a very obvious mirror to think outside ourselves. That was very, that was really I find that very like I find that very triggering in the best of ways. I looked at that and I was like, yeah, I I I oftentimes talk about having the most frustrating panic attacks. It's always when I'm on stage at a really good talk, right? To like have this fantastic moment and then bang, the shivers, the sweats, the shakes, and my mind goes blank. But I definitely thought in those moments, I actually, it's kind of actually similar. I'm I'm trying to play tennis at the moment. And every time I go to really like, I'm like, yeah, my confidence is here. I'm ready to knock it out of the park. Suddenly the the ball goes into the next bloody estate. It's quite similar to the public speaking, actually. I recognize those moments of of blackouts and those panic attacks are when I'm getting too cocky and too obsessed. And I'm like, oh, I'm gonna show this up. I'm gonna do, I'm gonna make such a statement here. Bang.
SPEAKER_03:Because there's the two types of people. It's the mirror that will be taken up, which is, is this all about me? And I'm consciously making this all about me. And then the reframe of this has actually got nothing to do with me, the stage piece, you're about to share wisdom, value with others that are going to hear from you. It's about them, it's not about you.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And I think that's where you know, anxiety, depression, all this is so, so real. I think for more people now, more than ever. But I again just I'm such a believer that when we can just take so much of that panic and off ourselves and just make it about find a friend, find a brother, find a spouse, find find anyone that you're like, if not for me right now, maybe I could just do it for them. Maybe I could channel it for them. And this is something that I really value in my work and that is resonant back to me as a coach. I know I said coach before, but as a woman, as a coach, that my girls will always say, I really, really love that you always get me to dig deeper on what this is just outside of myself. And that is something that I can humbly and openly own that I do a really beautiful job at. This is not just about me. This is about, this is for you. This is about you. It's about all the listeners, the people in which we're serving right now. And if I choke, if I stumble, if I this and that, uh.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Let's take that pressure off yourself. Let's take that idea of perfectionism fall off your shoulders. And actual fact, it's the human traits that when you let them out allow people to relate all the more. Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Imperfectly perfect.
SPEAKER_00:That that, like that, uh yeah, I think it's a really, really important process, our kind of philosophy of life. That if you can actually like obviously we should prioritize ourselves because the better we do, yeah, the more the greater capacity we have to show up for everybody else. But we should recognize that in whatever it is that we're doing, if we can take ourselves a little bit out of the equation and recognize it's not about us, it's not about us being the show or anything like that. It's about the impact that we can share for others. The medicine is in that. And people are in that.
SPEAKER_03:They see that. People feel that. It's it's almost in at least for me, it's debilitating. And I know when it's like self, like change that state tile, get out of that space, because it just doesn't feel good.
SPEAKER_00:It's kind of funny though, because when we look at like let's say depression, anxiety, like depression is such was such a sensitive word, certain for me growing up in Ireland that like if you you if you've mentioned somebody might be depressed, that was like, how dare you?
SPEAKER_03:Totally keep that down. Totally.
SPEAKER_00:Now I think it's really in interesting to let's say explore these ideas and explore their roots. And like a lot of the time when it comes to mental health, we want to play ourselves as victims. We want to say, Oh, you know, poor thing that's happening to nobody wants to hold up that mirror and say, Well, why do you think that's coming? Where where perhaps has that been self-induced?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And uh and yeah, the the medicine is in actually that certainly for myself, going through my processes, bringing my healing.
SPEAKER_03:And no one's saying that's easy.
SPEAKER_00:No.
SPEAKER_03:That is to be able to take radical responsibility for your shit is the hardest thing that one can do. But if we can just start with one thing, and I do believe that the power lives in accountability. I believe the power lives in maybe journeying in it with somebody that you trust, opening that conversation, working with somebody, you know, you and I both know we are guides for people in the work that we do. I think that that can that in itself can be really healing for people. It's going through the shit alone and holding that and suppressing that and keeping it so inside that creates so much more of the anxiety and the depression because it's just being stirred within you.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, so can I bring a kind of a philosophy?
SPEAKER_01:Please.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, so I think a lot of people are very career obsessed. I got that. Yeah. And they uh and so they prioritize their careers above all else. Yeah. Generally speaking, first and foremost, at the at the detriment of themselves. They give themselves to their work and then they wonder why they burned out. People come back to themselves then. But they perhaps deprioritize the idea of parenting for their careers.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And what we've kind of spoken to is, well, an actual fact, like, you know, there's a huge benefit, there's a huge value in in that. And there's and it completely changes the way you show up and you can actually realize a higher self through that process, fair to say. Okay. Now, the resistance, let's say, to parenting, it comes from like, oh god, the responsibility. Yeah. And perhaps how uh how challenging it might be to recognize our own issues and our own shit. And we can either um humor that whole approach and allow for that distraction, or we can look at it dead on. And it actually, there's a kind of a push and a rite of passage, becomes a huge catalyst for us to get our shit together. And and then I think the idea of like a lot of the mental health ailments, a lot of the issues, it's not about like there's no value in blaming others. I think like in the great, it's kind of funny in a lot of the wellness worlds, people really want to blame their parents, or people really want to blame the partners. God almighty, God bless to all the partners that have been called narcissists.
SPEAKER_03:Bless.
SPEAKER_00:But like it doesn't serve. Absolutely. The reason most importantly, it's the most important thing is when you hold up the mirror and look at yourself and recognize. And I I think it again, that that let's say the uh the call to parenthood can be the greatest catalyst for you to get your shit together.
SPEAKER_03:Well, you almost have no choice.
SPEAKER_00:And hearing you and from talking to Mark previously on this, like recognizing that in actual fact for whatever issues you think you have, yeah, don't worry because your kids will highlight and teach you and be essentially the greatest teacher to help you through that process as well.
SPEAKER_03:Well, how easy is it to know all the stuff that you have and never change that if it just stays you? But imagine never changing that, all the work that you need to do on yourself and your little mini-mees just mirroring all of that. At some point, you're gonna have a moment and think, I gotta change this.
SPEAKER_00:So I yeah, so that for me, I think sometimes the very teacher that somebody might be missing is the very thing they're avoiding. That's that's a really interesting one. And I um yeah, I I I have this idea belief that we we we all think we're so bloody smart. And it's like, no, no, there's a great, much greater than that.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, when you think you've got you're like, I've just learned that you're like you're humbled ten times through.
SPEAKER_00:And rather than resisting life, and rather than trying to avoid certain things, actually, if you just dive right in and flow with it, there's a funny calibration that takes place and a funny compliment. And oftentimes, yeah, the the greatest teacher that comes into your life might be the thing that you're avoiding, the greatest catalyst for growth.
SPEAKER_03:And I think that's why so many people fear parenthood because we know deep down I can get through life with my shit, just me. But if I have little ones that are somewhat me, now not only will I know that, and sorry, I will say this, I didn't change it, but then they're gonna grow up with all that stuff that was mine, and I'm gonna hold responsibility for that. And again, I love what you said. When you can get to a point and say, My parents are not the reason why I am how I am, my partner's not the reason why this happened, this and this, and you can just come to that place of radical awareness because it is awareness first. Before it's responsibility, before it's what you know you need to work on, you have to have the awareness of it first. But if you can at least just journey through that, again, I just keep coming back to like, wouldn't life just feel just a little bit less heavy?
SPEAKER_00:And at the same time, a lot easier to work with. It's very hard when you um you weigh your progress on the shifting of others. You like you you say, do you know what everything will be all okay when they get their shit together? It's like totally unfortunately you're you're basing your progress dependent on the will of somebody else.
SPEAKER_03:Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00:Um yeah, I love I love that kind of philosophy that if you take responsibility for everything in your life, there's control in that, there's power in that.
SPEAKER_03:That absolutely that was exactly it. There is so much power that that lives in that. And I think you can feel it. You when you connect with somebody or you see somebody or there's something you're like, what are all the things? Tell me, go through it. You just know it's like I can really see the power in the radical awareness and responsibility you hold.
SPEAKER_00:I think that that line that's said so often, like, take your power back.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, they're like, what does that mean?
SPEAKER_00:It's like stop waiting for other people to change, stop blaming other people. Actually, really look at things and recognize what did you do that perhaps provoked that? Yeah. Or how why how did you perhaps allow that enter into your life? What could you do differently to navigate to navigate life different going forward?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Um, how can you learn from all of this? Like that, that just one difference is yeah, it's when I I love that, like it's like my channel game phase.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And there are so many times, even you saying that, it's like that I have not gotten that right. It's like, wow, just so many fuck-ups along the way. And when there's that moment that you know you're like, oh my gosh, that felt really good. There's like a liberation that comes from that. And again, it's like you find your strength. So again, I just believe it's like making that a habit.
SPEAKER_00:I uh I um I love that. I love I as I'm sitting here chatting, I'm like, what are those moments? What I recognize is that oftentimes it's it's so attractive, it's almost magnetic to want to blame. It's so like yeah, attractive to put it on somebody else. It's so hard to take that ownership. But I would I would say there's almost a correlation between like the more challenging it is to take responsibility for something, the more rewarding it's ultimately gonna be for you. I think that's very easy and fair to say.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And there's a radiance that I find that you can also see in people that are like, what is that? What is that magic that you hold? And it's not glorifying people, but it's just there's something that you're like, I want to have this conversation with you because I know there's something you're doing right. Which is not often you built the seven-figure, eight-figure business. It's not you've got the grandiose abundance of money in your bank account. It's not often the all these external things. It's like how you be behind closed doors. Let's talk about that.
SPEAKER_00:I love that. I love when you talked about motherhood at the start of this podcast and you were like, you know, people will look on the surface and everything like that, but really it's what's got what's what goes on behind the behind the scenes. And what you didn't say, but I was curious for like when you were like, you know, Jay had to hit had to do combo, had to stop things in their track. And you talked about, you know, life and spinning holding so many, whole, holding so many roles, but you talked about motherhood as the the biggest one. I take it that like in being so busy, you perhaps noticed that you weren't in sync the way in which you'd like.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And that was your calling to slow down.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And what a gift that I was able to have that moment with myself of like, I can really see that I want to be really a lot more present, a lot more in the teachings, in just in the moment. And life has just gotten all a little bit. And if I'm honest, Jamie, I think that this for a lot of mothers is an ongoing thing. I think, including like adding the roles and the Work and whatever. This is just mothers that are listening to me right now. It's like Talia, just say the thing. You are without fearing, you are constantly from the moment you wake up. I mean, I wake up sometimes with my daughter literally on my headbag to the moment I go down to sleep at night. The nervous system that your body goes through, the level that you need to stretch, you meet yourself at those edges, it's like, this is gonna be a minute. Few years, 10, 20, and so where are there moments that I need to really come back to? Because I really care about not going through the motions. I really want to be like in it. You know, when you know that you're going through the motions and you're like, this is feeling like really distorted and warped. And for me, it was like, okay, pull the brakes on top of the work I'm doing, what can really get me there? Um, and for everyone, that looks different. You know, it's not gonna be everyone going to sit with Cambo for an hour.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. No, we we all have our different medicines. I'm I'm recognizing it's it's completely different, but like I I really want to grow my impact and I really want to grow my business. Um so what I'm recognizing is that, well, if your business is really a reflection of who you are and where you're at, okay. I really want to grow myself. I really want to work on myself. And what I'm recognizing is that my capacity to work on myself is really in tune with my nervous system and where I'm at. And so I'm like looking, I'm going about my days and I'm kind of filtering uh what is what is complementing my nervous system, uh, recognizing what's taxing, yeah, looking at and seeing does it justify the tax that it's taking?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And refining my life accordingly.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Now this is kind of like a self-process because I'm like, right, I want to push my career. Okay, you need to push yourself personally. What's that look like? Okay, you need to make sure your life is is working for you all the more. I really think like the more in tune and calmed your nervous system is, the greater capacity you have to think better, show up better as a result, and make but much better decisions and hence the reflection.
SPEAKER_03:Um I mean, we see it out here. Again, it's not wherever you are in the world, but I think I've been able to recognize and notice when I've seen an old version of myself, or I still see ways in which people are operating that is so out of body. They're doing all the things, don't get me wrong. They're meeting all the edges, don't get me wrong. But if I was to really ask them, like, how are you feeling in this moment? Like, how is your nervous system? It's like you just know. And I have definitely I that I speak that from past experience. So I just refuse to get there in my nervous system.
SPEAKER_00:Well, what I would what I I believe is that the more calm and in tune you are with your nervous system, the more, the more sensitive you are to it and what disrupts it. However, if you're out of sync, you're numb to it and you don't notice.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And so you can go in almost, let's say, a downward spiral very easily.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Where you're disconnected, you're out of sorts, your nervous system's fired up and you don't even notice it. So you fire it up all the more and the more and you fry yourself.
SPEAKER_03:Which is how you do one thing is how you do everything. You may, you may feel numb in that state. You're building, let's say, your business over here, but then you're wondering why you're relating your your bank account, your things aren't taking off because you are literally operating from this numb version of yourself.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So I yeah, I love this idea of like of really, really slowing down when she talks a bit, sensitizing, um, seeing what's working, what's not, uh, refining accordingly. Um this is kind of like a cyclo go on every a few, every few, I'd say once or twice a year, where I'm like, how far can I get?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:How sensitive can I get? How much power can I get?
SPEAKER_03:And witnessing you in the time I've known you, I would say just this last year alone, you're doing a really beautiful job at this.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you very much. You're welcome. Thank you, Tal.
SPEAKER_03:And I have to say this on your podcast because it's something that I really want people to hear, but something that I really admire about you, Jamie. And it's something that I know I also hold, which is why we're friends. You do a beautiful job, not always, but a great job more than most, of finding the play and the joy in things. And I think that there's a beautiful secret source in that. And I think that that is something that a lot more people could learn from you.
SPEAKER_00:I remember, thank you. Thank you so much for sharing that with your big, beautiful smile as well. I'm like, oh, received, received very well. I remember I uh I had this close connection with the mentor, and he was like, Jamie, you're just fun. Screw all this business coaching. Why don't you become a fun coach? Throw some like really fun parties. I was like, I love this is great, this is fantastic.
SPEAKER_03:Well, you can you can be both.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you.
SPEAKER_03:You're welcome.
SPEAKER_00:Talia, it was a pleasure.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Can I ask if anybody wanted to connect with you? Like, really, what I'm getting at is that the kind of people you're speaking to, the kind of people whose whole hand you're really truly held uh holding, people going through the whole motherhood journey, right? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, it's wild to see how many different seasons in which, you know, who we speak to is where we're at in that moment. But even just this conversation with you has made me reflect of like, I'm really in the trenches and and a voice. How grateful, how grateful that I am to be a voice, particularly for mothers right now. Um so you can find me on Instagram, Talia. I love that you gave me Wellness Warrior, because my middle name is the W, Talia W to Julio on Instagram. And I have my own podcast made for more. Um, or on Spotify and Apple and all the other forums. Um and if you want to work with me in any container retreat, we have one coming up in November, another one in March, just taliaw2giulio.com. Lovely.
SPEAKER_00:I'll link it all. I love you. Talia, love you. Such a pleasure.