The University of Life
The University of Life podcast has become my personal collection of fascinating learnings from the people I meet and experiences I have as I explore life and journey deeper in to the space of business mentoring & life coaching.
The University of Life
The University of Life & Gary Lineham
We begin by breathing together, moving together, syncing. It sounds simple, but it changes everything that follows.
When breath and posture align, the nervous system recognises safety, and that’s where real conversation begins. From there, we explore how energy, fascia, and frequency shape connection long before words or chemistry arrive. Why acceptance outperforms control. And how community, at its best, is a biological regulator.
We talk about the quiet power of environment: clean food, real rest, low noise, and nature as the ultimate teacher. The truth is practical, the body doesn’t just “heal”; it performs or it doesn’t. And performance rises when you remove the friction of the wrong inputs. That includes toxic food, yes, but also toxic stories, screens, and company.
We question what we’ve been taught about health, discipline, and “biohacking.” What if real health isn’t about control, but adaptability, your capacity to bend and return, to find rhythm again and again?
The conversation widens to what we’ve lost: village life, elders, children, the interdependence that used to anchor us. And we look ahead, to AI, to the thinning of privacy, to the need for radical integrity when every signature can be questioned. The medicine for this future? Openness. Presence. Communities that breathe together rather than hide behind walls of shame.
Through it all, the message stays simple:
Disconnect to reconnect.
Move your fascia to clear the signal.
Eat from the nearest soil.
Sit with people you can breathe with.
Accept what is, so your system can adapt.
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Thank you for listening, Jamie x
Gary, welcome to the University of Life.
SPEAKER_00:Welcome. I think we should sync out.
SPEAKER_01:Should we sync?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I guess. Nobody will know what we're thinking about. Okay. After you. Okay, take your right foot over. Yeah. Right hand underneath left arm pad. Yeah. Left hand on top. Yeah. Head to the left. Yeah. Body to the right. Express. Breathe into your mouth. It's amazing how that works, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's a nice start, all right. Tell me how it works.
SPEAKER_00:Um, if you think about like synchronized swimming or our dance team, synchronized swimmers are pretty good. They when they walk into the water, they move everything in step, their eyes, their glaze, everything. And you know, part of it is just like nature is how birds fly together, the synchronization of movement with breath in the exact same movement, um gives a frequency signature to the body. Because everything we emit is frequency. And when we're on that same frequency, like it feels like you're closer and it feels like everybody around us is farther away. So we're in a bubble. And I do this before I before I think, uh, before I do a podcast, before I um have a conversation with somebody. If in a conversation something's breaking down, we're talking over each other, I do it then. Is there it's a tool to bring us in the same frequency?
SPEAKER_01:So my feeling, my belief on this is that we tune into each other. Our defenses come down and we start to share. Um, I'm I'm really interested in like healing, and at the heart of so much of your work, it's about real deep inner healing. And what I find is that there's almost this uh this want when humans connect, this this behind the scenes going on of humans heal each other when they're in connection. So, like I I I what I'm scratching at a little bit is um I believe, and I'd love to know if this is true, that when people kiss for the first time, what their bodies do behind the scenes is that they share immunities. Is that correct? Sure. You sure it's like, Jamie, what kind of a podcast is this?
SPEAKER_00:Well, I I think you you can look at it in one version of what a human is, that's absolutely true. We share our biology, but to be honest with you, you walk in a room and you breathe, and those molecules with that biology and that information is sharing with everybody else too. You go into a club and you're dancing and everybody's on the same vibe. They're sharing the physical uh biology, which is actually affecting their gut biome and their hormones. And that's why when you walk in a place that's bumping and feeling really good, you feel really good. But but there's a bigger part to it too. There's an energetic part of it that we don't really account for. And we're so apt to figure out what our biology is and protect ourselves or or who we're sharing our, you know, our fluids with or who we share our physical contact with. But the electricity around us is actually more influential on the body than all of the biology combined. Like if I put a bunch of Wi-Fi on your body right now, a bunch of electricity, um, all of your biology will respond instantaneously and it'll be harmful to you. So around you, you have this field of energy that that it that is a part of you that's constantly sending information and energy emotion or emotions into you, translated through your fascia.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So yeah, you do share the biology, but before you share the biology, when you walk into a room, you start sharing the energy.
SPEAKER_01:And there's so much more going on in that energy. Yeah. I I I sorry, I scratch onto that point because I I'm all the time trying to simplify philosophies. And what I believe is that as we calm and as we connect, and a way to complement that connect could be perhaps that I mirror how you're sitting right now. Sure. I could mirror your tonality, or we could do an exercise like we've just done, and we will feel more connected as we as a result.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:And when we connect, our nervous system calms, we start to calm and naturally we start to recover or start to heal in the background.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:On the opposite side of that, in disconnect, say we're just not getting on. In actual fact, then the opposite is stress starts to build, dis-ease starts to build in the body.
SPEAKER_00:Correct.
SPEAKER_01:Um yeah, in my kind of simplified philosophy, you are either having a positive or a negative effect on somebody.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you're having an effect and positive or negative is you know it's determined by perception because sometimes poison is what you need. So what may be seen as negative in my perception or my belief systems actually is positive. I I believe that everything is positive. But it took me a long time to get through that because I had to go through a lot of the shit in life that felt negative in order to realize it was positive. And there's like a lot of stuff happening in the world today. For example, we're we're being toxed and we're being politicized out, we're being programmed in in all these ways that seem harmful to us, right? Um, the pandemic was one of those, one of those things. It's just one of the many things. And this isn't the first time that it's been done, and it's not gonna be the last time either. But it seems like there's this evil intent to hurt people. But what about this? If you believe in a creator, I believe in a creator, and in the aspect of a creator who controls all that or sets it or lets it be, then it's all good at the end. So maybe it's not evil, maybe it's just darkness. And maybe the whole point of that darkness increasing is so that we move towards the light. Because human beings typically, when the pain of staying the same is greater than the pain of changing, as a society we change. Like you and I, we push the envelopes and we change in advance. But as a society, as groups of people, we wait. We wait till it's too painful to stay the way we were. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:So the naive type would like to see black and white, would like to see good and evil. Um But in actual fact, what you're saying is look, beyond the horizon, actually, most of the times, most of the times of challenge, they come to serve us. In actual fact, then if we stop looking at times of disease and challenge as bad, and we start to see them in the bigger picture, ultimately see we see them as serving us. And so why not see life as a whole with this philosophy that everything is here to serve us, everything is good?
SPEAKER_00:Absolutely. So you can take your worst situation in your life, whatever it is, and most people that are helping people or changing the world in some way have something really negative that that happened in their life.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And then years later, 20, 30, 40 years later, they're using that as a propelling statement or or as driving a mission to do something to help people.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So what does it take for us to see that that positive aspect of these events in our life? What does it take to see it right now? Yeah. Like what do I have to do to go, okay, that's good for me right now. How is it good for me right now?
SPEAKER_01:So what's going on in my head is that we neutralize it. We take away the bias. We just actually surrender to acceptance, this idea of this trust, this faith that we don't know how things are going to turn out. But in all eventuality, there's a way of metabolizing for the good. So perhaps it is for the good. Why not surrender to that good? That's going to ultimately serve us all the best rather than contaminate our kind of way of being with this bias that something was bad and we need to do different as a result.
SPEAKER_00:Well, the reason why we want to know how things are going to turn out is because we've been built around this aspect of control. But if we just accept and in acceptance and acknowledgement presence, then we have the ability to adapt. Human beings are the most adaptive species on the planet Earth. We can adapt to anything. The more we resist, the harder it is for us to adapt. And, you know, part of what you were talking about earlier is us sinking together when two or more come together in presence. Um, and the Bible says, in my name, there I shall be. When two or more present together, in other words, not resisting, there's a magic of communication that's happening between us, even if we don't say anything. That magic of communication feeds some bigger system.
SPEAKER_01:So this this is what this is what I'm really interested in. I've kind of been jumping right back since I met you. I met you two years ago. I kind of jumped on a flight over to Texas. And what I was trying to do at that time was tune into as many people in the space of healing as possible. And what I find is that most of the really interesting healers, they don't kind of over-involve themselves. What they really do is stimulate the body's own sense of healing. But what they do is in that very practice that you've just shared of like meeting someone with presence, allowing for connection, and something magical starts to unfold as a result. So that's what I kind of was alluding to earlier on when I was like, I'm really interested. Like when people come into connection together, when they breathe together, when they relax together, when they start to almost do the same things, say, for example, they get at a rave, they dance together, this magic opens up, this healing effect opens up. And I'm kind of conscious of definitely when I see a pattern one way, I like to see the opposite. And I definitely say that when people are disconnected, a negative magic, let's say a black magic starts to take effect where people just start to disconnect and stress all the more.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, there's a there's a immeasurably defined distance for the average person. Six feet.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:That's why social distancing is six feet. Because our hearts, the magnetic field of our heart, the average person goes six feet. Now, some people push it way out.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But when those magnetic fields come together, we we feel connected, we feel bonded, we feel like there's purpose or sense or meaning. And when we disconnect, we lose that connection, then we feel angry, agitated, depressed. And you know, that's part of the architecture of what's been going on right now is to disconnect people. I mean, right down to right down to things like sharing biology. The idea of of oh, I don't want to touch you, I don't want to get what you have. You know, biologically, every disease and dysfunction, whether you believe in viruses or not, but everything that that that's ever happened in in human history is already encoded in your DNA. And that means that that if we look far enough, we can spin up your DNA. We can find Ebola, we can find AIDS, we can find everything else that we've ever diagnosed or had had some sort of social outbreak from. Already within us. Yeah, it's already in our DNA. So that means I don't catch anything from you. I when I come into presence, it may reveal something to be brought up to be understood or to be healed. But the whole I whole architecture of the germ theory, even Louis Pasteur on his deathbed says I was wrong. Don't take me for what I wrote.
SPEAKER_01:I find, like obviously, we're alluding to COVID with the six feet distancing. I found that time so horribly frustrating in that so much of what was being shared was so counter to what I just know. The idea of like stay indoors, socially isolate, disconnect. Uh, God, I think all the fast food companies were being incentivized to give it discounts on their food. It was like, what is going on here? It seems like in a time of need, everything that was being advertised was to further that disadvantage, further that disconnect, further that dis ease. It's really sad.
SPEAKER_00:Well, it's actually so obvious that that's what's happening, that as people wake up to what was obvious, then they go through this period of transformation: anger, frustration, uh, hopelessness. And then it's acceptance. And at that point, then they start going, okay, well, that's what's happening. I'm just gonna live my life. I'm gonna work with whoever. And so that's actually pushed us into this space where everybody's starting to accelerate. And it's gonna be ugly for a bit, but think about it. I mean, Human Garage was a clinic before, we're well known, but we didn't have a global impact like we do today.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Sorry, it's it's so funny that what you're sharing with me, this idea of accepting all as it is, with the with the bias that it's for the good, is a very new, very present practice for me. And even when I'm going back to COVID, I'm like, oh, that was so wrong. But yes, you're completely right. For however bad circumstances were in that moment, it was the catalyst for so much change on an individual level. So many individuals took personal leadership of themselves. They also disconnected from this subscription to, well, what I'm told is what I should believe. People took much more, much more uh conscious effort to actually come to their own decisions as a result, which has been a really, really healthy evolutionary change off the back of that.
SPEAKER_00:So if it was um organized in advance, which you know I propose it was, uh, I'll just give you one little example. Um, how long do you think it would take in Ireland or Canada or the United States to print up stickers that give people directions in stores or make signs for parks that were out of metal that said park closed or due to COVID or whatever? How long do you think, if all the printing presses in Ireland or the United States or Canada, how long do you think it would take to print all those signs that were appeared two to three weeks after the lockdown? It would take it years to print all the signs that were distributed all over the country. So that means somebody was printing those before said trauma. And you know, I just look at things in a very practical way. So let's just say that there was some sort of orchestration to it. If you're big enough to orchestrate that kind of worldwide system approach, then you probably understand the psychology and the reaction of people. And then you wouldn't make it so obvious that these are the things they're doing. You'd be more, you'd have more cover-up or more things that weren't so obvious. So what if it was just all done to help human beings wake up? Uh can I ask you a question, Karen? Sure.
SPEAKER_01:Can you put your hand on your heart? Sure. Right bang in the middle. Okay. I remember a time when we put our hand on our heart and observe our left breast.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, that's just another one of the myths, like so many of them that I've been breaking up around the human body. I mean, we just go on and on and on. How many, how many lies have we been told about who we are and how we operate?
SPEAKER_01:So the so I have this kind of idea, this, this, this uh, this concept that we are literally a petri dish. And I find, I believe almost like there's somebody standing standing aside, and they're like, let's poke this. Let's poke it with a different issue, a different trouble, a different challenge, and just see how things unfold.
SPEAKER_00:You mean are humans as a society of species being experimented on? Yeah, constantly. Absolutely. Come on. I mean, if you look at it 5,000 years ago, our DNA record jumped by 9%. Somebody poked something in some sort of species that that made us what we are today. And and then all of the stories of how we're made and all the science and all the history, which is now unraveling in front of everybody's mind, even the history of America. It's unraveling right now at these. Just look at the Chicago World's Fair and tell me where all those buildings went. They were supposedly temporarily, but the but the library is still there. And that library looks pretty solid to me, and all the buildings around it are no longer there.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I was I was just in San Francisco and I saw the remnants of the World's Fair in Chicago. Sorry, in in San Fran. And oh my god, it's spectacular. It's such uh unbelievable architectural beauty. Um, but apparently all the rest was just demolished. But that little bit was kept, it's a bit strange.
SPEAKER_00:Or go into New York and look at the Empire State Building in the early 1900s, you know, late late 1800s. And the primary method of transportation was horse and buggy.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And look at the Empire State Building and tell me how horse and buggy carried themes and concrete and did that. Like we have been told the story of history that is fundamentally not correct. And we've grown up with it, and we treat that history as truth. And everything from the revolution in the United States all the way through, it's just been a series of misinformation or lies that have created this belief system of who we are. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I um I have this belief that when you know who you are, when you know who you came from, when you know your family line, you you naturally are much, much stronger. You're more resilient to challenges because you have roots, you know, you have your heritage, you have your faith, you have your beliefs, and they've been passed down by generation by generation. But when people start to screw around with that, when people start to disconnect you from your roots, when suddenly it becomes uncool to be with your family past the age of 18, uh, when the encouragement is that you should move out at age 18, you should get your mortgage at age 20, you should isolate yourself. I I see things in that regard, and I think there's almost, let's say, this tactical isolation, this tactical disconnection. Why? Because when people are out on their own, they're all the more vulnerable, they're all the more susceptible to influence. Whereas when people are in a set home, set family, set roots, connection with their grandfathers, and a complete idea of who they were, how they are as a people, they're much, much harder to influence.
SPEAKER_00:We were talking about this on the way here. There, the used to be a time, I'm I'm from the last generation, I'm 56. And it wasn't for everybody my age, but if you're like 70, they grew up in this generally. You were born into the village, and that village may have been your neighborhood at that point. But the all the mothers in the neighborhood took care of me. They all knew if I was doing good in school or not. They knew if I had a girlfriend or not. They knew if I needed a little bit of uh discipline or not. And there was a there was a there was a feeling that happened throughout the world when that was there, a feeling of safety because people knew me.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And it's like when you go to a place and you go to a restaurant and they they know what you like and what you order, and you feel good when you walk in and you go places and people know you and they they say hi and they greet you and stuff like that. That feeling of community is was the heartbeat of the human civilization. And that feeling of community over the last 40 years has been extracted systematically to but what you're talking about. And COVID was one of the final ones where we took the the children and we separated from the grandparents.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And think about this. The the reason why the closest to the light on both ends are the ones that are supposed to work to inform the middle. So children are coming from a place of source or knowledge. And as people progress towards the end of their life, they actually come into this wisdom and knowledge again. And uh you come into the world with diapers and you pretty much go out of the world with diapers. There's there's some truth to that, and it's not for every case, but the idea was the elders are meant to play with the children to bring this innate wisdom to inform the daughters and uh and sons so that they knew how to act in society. These were mechanisms that were built into the architecture of society in order to make them work. And that's one of the first things that we did during COVID is we said, grandkids, if you go near your parents, you might kill them.
SPEAKER_01:So I I feel very I feel very um hurt when I think about this. The idea that, you know, for the average kids, uh, they're shipped off to crushes and they're brought up and raised in that sphere by people that really, you know, are disconnected from them. At the same time, grandparents are shipped off to homes. Yeah. And uh, you know, some people could say, oh, some homes are nice, some homes are not. But it's like, yeah, they're disconnected from the family. Like the kids are disconnected from the family, and kids grow up without that connection. Uh grandparents pass away, or family members pass away without that sense of connection. I find that heartbreaking.
SPEAKER_00:But it's not in every culture. You go to the Asian cultures, a lot of them that doesn't happen. You go to the Indian cultures.
SPEAKER_01:It's not here. In Bali, it's fascinating. Like in Bali, um, the whole town, exactly as you said, will celebrate um the birth of a child with a ceremony. Um, it's actually after 40 days. The idea is you have a kid and then you go you the kid will stay at home with the with just the mother and father and the direct family for the first 40 days. And then after the 40 days, the kid comes outside, touches soil, and the whole community comes around and has a ceremony to greet them and welcome them. And here there is this sense of belonging, of connection. Like when I come back, I might not have seen some of the local people here for six months. They'll say, Jamie, how are you? Welcome back, we're so happy to see you. It's um it really meets me in a way in which unfortunately I just haven't experienced elsewhere. And um and it's it's very touching, it's very impacting.
SPEAKER_00:It's so that's the way the world used to be.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And um we we have changed, but this is all social programming. This came through the books we read, the schools. The the education system in America is actually came from China. It's called Dungang. And if you want to take a look at it, um, there's um the Underground History of American education and is a book that you can read. And it talks about the fact, like when I grew up, I was at at the stage where you went at grade nine and you chose you're gonna go to trade school. It's either seven to nine. You started going trade school, you go to academia. The majority of people were going still into trades. So they went into locally work in their communities. And very few people actually went into academia to teach originally. And I was at that very first part in the 80s where they said, hey, you have to go to college, you want to go to college, and they started promoting it because before they didn't. My grandfather my grandfather started working, he went to school until he was nine and he started working. And he learned a trade, he integrated with the community, he became productive in now in those times. So part of the core attributes of being growing up in those informative years, between 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 30, those are the years where you imprint yourself and how you're gonna you're gonna act in the world. They were brought into a productive uh society relationship. And then what we did is we said you need to go get more information, uh, education. We said you can't even have a job without education. And that that was put on everybody through the 80s, starting the 80s, through the 90s, 2000. And the idea of the Dunk Gang education system was to keep people, uh, the parents or the children away from the parents long enough that you could program the architecture of how they interact with society.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:That's what they and that that was done in in Asia. That was brought into our school systems. And right now, right now I say this to parents all the time: if you're 50 or 60, you think your children are going to a university education that you went to, it's not the same education. It just has the same architecture, has the same structure of sophomor, sophomore, you're uh you have your junior year, you have the same structure, but that education is very, very, very different. And we had the conversation the other day, and um Mackenzie may disagree with me, but there is no archetype of there's no measure of society today that's actually better than it was 50 years ago. We don't even make we don't live longer, we're not healthier, we don't um our family relationships are worse, mental disorders are up. There's not one part of that that was better. And and but the stories that have been told to your generation in particular about how it was, like I just happened to be old enough that I can actually go back and remember, I was there to witness what was happening. And everybody else has to read in a book about what happened. And the difference is is that I can tell you that what your generation is being told about how we lived is not actually the way we lived. I am I had a lot of safety, by the way. I could, I I went, I traveled the world, I left house, left the house, you know, in the when it wasn't school, I left the house in the morning, came back at night. As long as I was back before dark, no one knew where I was, there's no cell phones. Nobody worried about that stuff, and that was all over.
SPEAKER_01:So bear in mind if I go to your philosophy of acceptance and all of this, and not just acceptance, but that it's all for the good, where is this good taking us?
SPEAKER_00:Well, that's where I used to be angry. I thought it was breaking us apart. But society has to change in order for us to evolve. And if if we don't make things uncomfortable, people don't change. And right now we're making things the world is very uncomfortable in so many different ways.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. There's not a level of comfort anywhere. And and that is forcing people to find new behaviors and new ways of looking at things. So this is where I went through this depression during um during the pandemic. Because I like, why am I here? Why these people are doing this to hurt us? This is gonna be the world like this. It's like the the George Orwell novel novel, it looked like 2000, it looked like we were here 20 years late. And and I went through this depression time and like, do I even want to be here? I want it, I didn't even want to be here. I didn't want to kill myself, but I I didn't want to be alive either. And and and I, because I was looking at the bigger picture and I was saying, how can we allow this as a world? This world's going into this slavery or whatever. And I and then then I had a moment of change and I thought, well, what if it was good? What if this all was for our good somehow? And that doesn't sound contrary, like what if poisoning the skies is for our good? Because I I I do believe that I do believe in a creator of some sort. Okay, I believe in this higher level of consciousness. So that means that even the things that we call evil, they're not evil, they're darkness. Darkness was around long before the light. And without darkness, light doesn't exist. Light's the new kid in the block. It's well, what science tells is four and a half billion years, maybe, maybe it's 40 billion years. Who knows? Maybe it was 400 million years, maybe it's four million years. Who really knows? But light is the new kid on the block. And without the darkness, light has no option to shine. And right now, like we said, coming into the pandemic, it's it's revealing the light in people. And adversity, I used to think adversity made people, but now I don't think that way. Adverse like adversity reveals the character of people, and and that's really what it is. It adversity reveals character, it doesn't make us into who we are, it reveals who we are. And we have a lot of adversity in our society today, and it's it's super revealing, and it's showing the cracks and the fragments and all the things that just don't fit together. And human beings are like nature's amazing. You can put concrete over top of grass, and eventually the grass grows through that concrete. And human beings, we're the grass, and that's what's happening. They put a bunch of concrete over us, and some of it's gonna sprout up on the other side, some of it's gonna stay underground, maybe never make it above the concrete. But but realistically, that's what I believe is happening. This is my belief, and not everybody has to share this. This is through my experience, and I've had a tremendous amount of world experience, tremendous.
SPEAKER_01:As you're sharing that, what's coming up for me is this this remembrance that we as individuals, we are nature. And we we look at nature as a collective. Like when we see a plane of grass, we don't see individual notes of grass, we see the plane of grass.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_01:And we as humans, we kind of we like to think of ourselves as individual, but if we trace those trends of DNA, we start to realize we're actually in existence among so many others simultaneously. And we we see that perhaps perhaps perhaps there's yeah, perhaps there's a greater wisdom at play, and perhaps we might not get we might not be the ones realizing that, but the lessons might be serving others.
SPEAKER_00:I think um I think in history, we look back, we can always see um the the lawn, not the grass.
SPEAKER_01:Good point.
SPEAKER_00:So the architecture for me to move through the world the way I do today and bring something to the World that I'm bringing to the world is to realize that I'm actually part of the lawn.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I'm not the blade of grass.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And I remind myself that all the time because this individual aspect, individuality, and free will, people want to, they want to exercise their free will. And I'm like, the way I understand consciousness and I've channeled and been around and had near-death experiences, I don't see free will the same way people see it. You had free will when you came here as a soul and you chose a body and you chose parents. That free will is what you chose. And and you chose a journey for a set of experiences, and you're going to get to those experiences one way or another. And there's a thousand different ways to get to it, but you're going to have that experience. And free will is accepting the agreements that I came here with, not trying to exercise my free will here today.
SPEAKER_01:So I kind of have this image of a river. And once you've kind of planted yourself into life, you are flowing down that river. And that river has its inbuilt, tosses, turns, everything.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And you might like see a bar on the side of that river and be like, oh, I want to I want to swim there, but you're swimming against the current. And it's hard. And you might get to that bar, but you're like pulled back almost. Yeah. I kind of find that's actually how I'm starting to recognize life. That exactly there are temptations left, right, and center. But as I go after them, as I as I tried to, let's say, exercise that free will, I'm quite surprised at how challenging circumstances start to get. But if I and it's an odd expression to say, but if I fall back in line or fall back into the flow, I'm pleasantly surprised at how complimenting and easy that flow can be for me.
SPEAKER_00:Right. And that comes down to if you like kind of feel all this resistance in your life and you're at heads with everybody in arguments and things aren't working the way you want. Maybe you're trying to exercise the free will you created up here rather than the one you created here.
SPEAKER_01:So this is like I again going to the heart of your work and the idea that trauma will literally manifest itself physically in the body. It'll radiate as stress, it will cause disease, it will cause pain. And the cure to that actually is stop the resistance. Actually just accept.
SPEAKER_00:100% of disease. Disease is the blockage of energy in the body.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:100%.
SPEAKER_01:So my like my my meditations, I've I've found myself, it's odd. I I sit with myself and kind of different messages come. And the latest one is I'm sitting with myself and it's just like surrender. That's it, surrender, feel what's coming up? Accept, surrender, feel, accept. And I kind of find that every time I do, it's like I drop into myself a little bit, a bit, uh, a little bit deeper. My body becomes a little bit lighter. And it's very simple. It's like, yeah, it's a very, very simple practice of instead of instead of chasing after life or trying to manifest life or really interfere with life, actually just accept it. Surrender to it. Show up as best as you can in that flow, undistracted by the future or the past, and just make the most of the present and be pleasantly surprised of what's on the horizon.
SPEAKER_00:If life is hard, you're probably doing it wrong. Great saying. And listen, I I had some experiences. Um I'm sitting in the back of a prison transport van after 17 months in solitary combinement. Seventeen months. And I'm shackled cuffed, hooded. Real crazy experience. And I had this shocking moment. It was like this rush of memories. And the memory was every single time that I saw a prison transport van drive on the road anywhere around me, I remembered them all at once, like thousands of incidences from the time I was five years old. And I was I got back into my cell and I'm like, what was that? Did I did I manifest this? Did I create this? Like, why would I do that? And could I change it? Could I have done something different? And at this point in my life, I realized that no, I picked the experience because that experience is what transformed me into who I am today. And if I had anything else but that level of experience, I would not be here talking to you today. And so this part of us, you know, I see this all the time, people trying to avoid, you know, like getting hurt or relationships or business or doing the wrong thing. I see them, it's like trying to protect themselves. And there's a simple law in energetics. What I resist persists.
SPEAKER_01:I am finding every time I'm trying to manipulate, I'm trying to change circumstances, it's coming back and it's slapping me twice as hard on the face.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. And and by the way, you're a young guy in comparison to me. And and I've been consistently impressed with the way that you handle yourself and accept responsibility. I was I watched um a mainstream celebrity tear a strip out of you in front of me. And he was wrong, but you didn't say a word. And you just took it all in, and it was painful. I could see it really hurt you. But it's painful, and you accepted that he was in a spot and that wasn't directed at you. I don't see that from almost anybody, never mind anybody your age. And that's part of why I continue to want to be around you and to engage with you, is because you have this old soul wisdom that just comes out every once in a while, or quite often, every time you pop up. Thank you. Thank you.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I um this practice that we're talking about, this acceptance and this wonder for how when however challenging something might be, uh, how will it come to serve? I find fascinating. I I can't look back at a moment in my life, uh, any of the challenging moments in my life, and not see how incredibly positively impacting they have been to me now. Uh, this idea that all of those have come to stand to me is so true. And so it it yeah, it stops me in my tracks generally when I really want to impulsively react. And I used to when I was younger, I got into such messes, but now I'm yeah, I'm hit and confronted by this wonder of how's this going to unfold? Where's this gonna lead me? And I can I can I ask you, I I'm curious as I'm like tuning into your wisdom, and I I and this this philosophy now, as I said, this is something that I'm really curious about. I'd love to ask you when you look at the man you are now, and when you touch into the wisdom that you have and all that you've built, what's the earliest memory you have that you feel led you on the course to where you are right now?
SPEAKER_00:Um when I was five years old, I was in Banff, Canada. And I've had this constant interaction with homeless people my whole life. And there's a homeless guy sitting on a bench and I saw him out there, and we'd got in, we went to get donuts, and so I decided I was gonna go give this guy some food. And I went over to sit by him and I gave him a uh lemon jelly donut clear as day. And I said, Here's some food for you. And he goes, Thank you. And I said, he says, I was really hungry, and I said, I can see it looks like you're hungry, but why are you hungry? He says, Well, because I I don't have a job, I don't work. And I said, Why don't you work? And he goes, Well, look at me, I'm unclean. And he used the words unclean. And I said, five-year-old innocent, we're staying at campground. I'm like, I have a campground over there, my family was staying at a campground, it's got showers, you can come over and use our showers. That was my childhood way of understanding the world and solving a problem. And that one stuck, that memory stuck with me my entire life. And it was really talking about society and it was talking about judgment, and it was talking about like I'm unclean and I don't work, and that's why, and I'm sitting out here, everybody else is okay, but I'm not okay. I'm in this village, but I'm separate from the village. These were all the lessons that I was learning as a five-year-old from this guy that that I didn't really understand. I didn't understand the mechanics of it, but I felt those lessons. And I I felt those deeply. And through the rest of my life, I had all these interactions with homeless people. Now, looking back at it from 51 years later, I think things like, where were my parents? Um, how did this happen? But you know, when we grew up, you know, five-year-olds were just wander around. You had there was no issues with it. You know, 10-year-olds were working. I was at that turn of that generation where sometimes 10, 11-year-olds were kicking out of school and going to work to support the family. So this innate wisdom and homeless people came to me over and over and over again. And I have I have some crazy stories where a homeless person came up and asked me for an insane amount of money, and um and it and I didn't have the money to meet rent or payroll on Monday, and I was working to solve it, but somehow, some way I felt that that I should give it to him, and I did. And that Monday the money was there in this in the most bizarre turn of circumstances. And so I've had these interactions, and and I I go to the bigger part was who are these homeless people that keep talking to me?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And I I know now, I do. So I I love this idea that sometimes people talk through. Uh, it's like there's these angelic moments um where something channels through. I love this. So, kind of a follow-on of the very practice that we've been talking to, this idea of acceptance, this idea of presence, this idea to tuning into your heart and just following whatever instinctive message comes up. Um, I had a lovely moment where um there was a driver here, he dropped me off at my place and I got off the bike and something inside me said, Jamie, give him 100K. It's nothing. It's like$10. Um, I was like, why is that feeling coming up? It's like, don't question it, just give it to him. I turned around, I was like, he'd already kind of started driving off. And I said, Come back, gave him the 100K. And he broke down crying. He explained to me that his wife had had a baby that morning. He couldn't afford to take the time off to be with her. He had to go out and work. That small extra tip allowed him to go home and spend the day with his wife, who had just given birth to their child. Now, that's not that that wasn't me. That was something that came through me. I found it fascinating to observe that. And I found all the more encouragement, let's say, to follow that intuitive flow, the likes of which you got there in terms of give the money. I think there's um I I recognize then in the darkest of moments that I've had in my life, so interestingly, people show up so randomly. One person came to give me a piece of work when I was about to go bust, that was my saving piece of work. A girl came into my life when my my image or my impression, let's say, relationally, was so toxic and it completely switched it and turned it on its head for my good. And moment after moment, I've had these experiences, and I think they're like angelic divine channel moments.
SPEAKER_00:They are. And I say these things, I tell you that story because there's a point in time I just remembered it, but I truly have this understanding or understanding of how the world works or how this place works that I didn't have before. And part of it is what you were alluding to is that inner voice. I'll say it's my outer voice. That's that field around me, that's my God source. And it's always talking to me, but I have to be able to hear it. And when people come into my presence, you've seen it, I just talk right to them. It's the exact words at the exact second, it's the exact thing that they need. And they usually break down, they cry, or something like this. And and they always ask me how you how I knew. And I said, Well, I didn't know, but you knew. You just weren't listening. And that inner voice is always there guiding us, providing solutions. And if I'm not finding a solution, it's because somehow I'm blocking that voice. What I've found is that's this practice, this fascial maneuvers practice that we do is what opened up my connection to that higher source. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So I love this idea that we are an antenna. And the better we look after ourselves, the more tuned that antenna gets. And so when you talk about fascial maneuvers and really opening up and clearing the body, helping the body detox, helping the body rejuvenate, it helps tune you all the more.
SPEAKER_00:We are literally an antenna. Our DNA is built as an antenna. Our our the makeup of our body is we're made up of water, sand, and bacteria. It's a quartz crystal. Um, our bones are conductive. We have all the architecture of a of a cell phone.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:We have display screen, shows the information. We have Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, and we can connect to people and we can connect to people in different ways. We have buttons that you can push that create effects in this body. We have a hard drive and memory and storage. We we have power sources, we can charge ourselves up and we can drain ourselves. The Apple iPhone was a copy of a human existence. And we operate like that. And when I started realizing that, it changed the way that I even looked at biology and medicine and helping people.
SPEAKER_01:I I remember from me, if I go back to my earlier years, I had quite a linear, simplified approach of like, oh, I'll just train to look good naked, or I'll just eat well to probably to that same end again. What I love is how life has revealed itself in exactly this tune that the better I look after myself, the greater connection I have with that inner wisdom and that collective wisdom, the better I can show up in the world.
SPEAKER_00:So the challenge that we have though is what we consider to be looking after ourselves. The the practices that we've been told are healthy for us, or they're not. What's a good example of that that comes to mind? Um, I came from a world of bodybuilding. You've seen the pictures. I I firmly believe today that building muscle outside of movement actually creates disease in the body. Now, everybody's hearing this, it's in the muscle side is gonna go, there's a mount of evidence to prove it to be true, not to be true. There's also a amount of science that's back that, that's not true. And we use this, we use this crutch called science to validate these belief systems that we have. But the way science is being used right now about the human body, if it was, if the science worked and all these things work, then why are people so sick?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:You know, and and people that seem to do more of it seem to be, even if they're kind of healthy in their body for a while, which a lot of them are, a lot of biohackers that I worked with back in like 2014, 15, 16, they're not looking so good or doing so good today. And even if they're taking care of their bodies, their emotions and their perceptions, their thoughts, their relationships are really hurting. And a human being is holistic. That means everything. It means my energy, my thoughts, my beliefs, my relationships, internal, external, my physical health, my these are all components of what holistic health is. And we can't just look at the one isolated component. So we've been taught to do things with our bodies that just don't work. Like the idea of biohacking. Where do we think that we're smarter than the creation that that made us? I really love technology and solutions that give back the environment, but I don't believe I'm smarter than this environment.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And and and by the way, top, top, top biohackers in the world end up somewhere in my presence fixing things. And the reason for that is that they believe, I believe, is watching them as they believe that they know that they're better than than the machine, that they know more.
SPEAKER_01:I I I had a fantastic chat with a naturopathic doctor who's who essentially said, look, 95% of the ailments that I'm dealing with day to day are just a um a result of the wrong environment. When you put a human in the right environment, we just don't have these issues. I think that's the like the the core thing is that he humans, when they're in the right environment, naturally heal themselves and perform. And perform. And this like if we go back to the very start of this conversation, like when you connect, when you just sit in presence with another human, you calm together. It's like your auric field or your defenses come down. And my belief is that it's like, hey, let's share. Let's share our immunities, let's share our healings, let's heal together. I think that's that's something that that I I certainly feel that like when I have a good conversation, a good meeting with somebody, I'm feeling this now.
SPEAKER_00:Can I challenge that? Please do. Okay. Your body doesn't understand the word heal. Okay. It your body is either performing or not performing.
SPEAKER_02:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:So if somebody's been there a clinical practitioner, they're listening to this, they they'll be able to understand this. If somebody has a they would often come in in the clinic, there'd be a 12-week cycle with us in the clinic, and they would be six weeks in, they'd be, I need an appointment with Gary now. I need there's something wrong. I want to talk to him. I've spent all this money. I'm six weeks in. I've been here, I still have a shoulder problem. I take their clinical notes and I'm like, hmm, okay. How's that leg that you came in for? When the body performs, we literally biologically forget about the problem and we just move on to the next, which is which we call healing. So if we're performing better out of a deficit, we call healing. But at some point it changes into performance. And what is performance? It's adaptability to the environment. Healing is a very religious word that, because I'm trying to heal my trauma. So it me puts me in this box. It's a measurement that puts me, and this there's no judgment. I came from um$17.5 million, 35 years, 20 years trying to do it with$2.5 million of healing myself. As a practitioner, another$15 million,$17.5 million, hundreds of practitioners, one of the biggest practices in the world, only to find out that during the pandemic I did these small little movements and my body started performing. And what does performance look like? I feel good.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:What does not performance look like? I don't feel good. And if I don't feel good long enough, the accumulation of that is sickness.
SPEAKER_01:So disease. What you're saying is look, a body is in either one of two states sickness or performance.
SPEAKER_00:Or performance or not performance. Again, sickness is because let me give you, let me just kind of draw another picture for you. If you have a flu, yeah, um, everybody says you're sick. Yeah. Biologically, scientifically, you're healing. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I I totally get that.
SPEAKER_00:I love that idea that's a good thing. So if you're healing at that moment, then what are you healing from? Yeah. What was sick? That was your life was sick, that's why you're there. But the things that we call sickness are the healing. Cancer is not sickness. Cancer is the body doing its best to adapt to an environment that you put it in over time. And and these are these are all mechanisms of the body trying to heal itself. But we've labeled them and said the body's doing the wrong thing.
SPEAKER_01:Bear with me. You say hand share so much simultaneously that I almost need to read rewind and like pick apart. Let me get into that cancer definition. So cancer is the the body's ability, or sorry, the body trying to um settle into norms that you're attached to that aren't actually positive for you. Patterns. Patterns. Okay, so let's say, for example, like you're forcing yourself to be in an environment that it really shouldn't be in. Your body adapts the best it can. The body adapts the best it can, and unfortunately. And when it can't anymore, it spins out of whack.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, when it can't anymore, it tells you. But the first time that you eat uh chemicals in your food, your body goes, Whoa, wait a second, don't like it. But then you eat it again, it balances off with the food, the drug of the food, and then eventually it goes, Okay, you want to keep putting this in? I'll keep doing this, I'll keep balancing this way because I want the the other part of it.
SPEAKER_01:But unfortunately, you'll pay the end result down the line. And you will. Okay. And that is not just the same as a meal, that is the same as an environment, that is the same as a relationship. Everything. Everything. Okay. Perfect. I get that. I actually understand that. I I really, really like that.
SPEAKER_00:Um and then when you remove the intolerant, like people go get healthy or they they clean up their act and their food and their environment, and they introduce that intolerant again, your body will violently react against it. It goes, wait a second here, dude. I held on with you for the last 14 years while you went through this shit. I I created enough pain that you finally did something about it. Now we're out of it, and you want to do it again? No way. And that's where adjutants cause this adverse reaction when people clean up their lives.
SPEAKER_01:Lovely, this hypersensitivity that comes.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it's not hypersensitivity. Your body's just saying, uh-uh-uh-uh. Yeah. It's you know, it's because you were so unsensitive for so long, your body just says, No way, dude, we're not doing this again.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so let me look at that because my idea is my my belief is that nothing will shape you, impact you, or impact on you like your environment or the company you keep. And so when so many people are are thinking about disease and they're thinking, oh, you know, this will cause disease, or this will cause disease, really, what I'd be thinking is actually your environment and the people you're in connection with are the greatest catalysts for disease.
SPEAKER_00:Absolutely 100%. But let me break down the word disease. Disease is the body's not at ease. So if you have fear in your body right now or grief in your body, are you at ease?
SPEAKER_01:No.
SPEAKER_00:No. If you leave that fear in your body and you fear your spouse is going to leave you, your job is gonna be ending, your fear that the World War III is coming, whatever that fear is. When you go, that low-level fear pumps adrenaline in your system. When you have adrenaline in your system, the blood leaves your core, your organs, it goes to the limbs for fight or flight. So now you go eat food. That food doesn't properly digest. And then it doesn't digest properly, it goes into the large intestine, sits there, and it wastes, and the body has to use more liver energy or energy to process the toxins for unprocessed food. And you keep doing that over a course of years while you have this low-level fear. Well, eventually we'll be able to measure the biological effect of you holding that fear when your body started being at disease.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And so you said that environment is the key thing. And I'll I'll tell you this. After doing all of the things to be healthy in the environment and the cities and stuff like that that I lived in, during the pandemic, I went into the mountains in Canada. And a little village, Hamlet, I think it was, or village, no, it's a village, at Lines Bay, and we're on the mountain. Um, and we have virtually nothing around us, very little Wi-Fi, very we have electricity, but just very little. We have bears and everything walking through. Um, we we look over the top of the ocean, we go to the ocean every day. Out of all the money I spent, biohacking and clinical and IVs and all that stuff, that two and a half, three years in that environment is what radically shifted everything.
SPEAKER_01:I experienced something somewhat similar with you. Yeah. We over in Texas on Molly's farm, yeah, where we were staying in a regenerative farm together. And so literally we were eating farm to table, as in whatever we were eating was picked or slaughtered that day. And almost like we despite the long flying and getting there and everything like that, within about two or three days of eating that food, the energy that I experienced was unlike anything I've experienced before. The need for sleep is well diminished. I was getting by a four or five hour sleep and feeling fantastic. I it's like I couldn't sleep anymore. I just had this buzz inside me. There was obviously no Wi-Fi. We were walking around in nature the whole time. It was very, uh, very similarly impacting, although obviously that was only two weeks for me. It was two years for you on the other hand. It's I think it's I love that saying that once you see something, you can't unsee it. Right. Once you experience it, you can't not. And we as humans were fantastic at settling as well, settling into the wrong environment, putting up with things we shouldn't have and just getting on with it. But when we experience the opposite and we see how negative that is, yeah, we have this reaction. We cannot go back to it. Um I had a similar, a somewhat similar experience in COVID, where the home that I'd lived in for 10 plus years and thought nothing of the ill effects of it in COVID, when all the building stopped and people left the cities and things went quiet, I experienced quiet and my nervous system just calmed. I felt amazing. And then when they when the building started again and people started coming into town, the noise was so repulsive to me that I immediately had to leave. I couldn't put up with it anymore. Which I I yeah, I people would look at me with like have 10 heads, being like, Why can't you like a city? But once I've experienced the quiet of elsewhere, it's it's you know, you can do it for a few days, but after a while, you just know the negative impact that it's having on you. And it's there's this impulsive heart calling of get out of there, it's not serving you.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, we we like for me when I separated myself, you know, from people in nature, and also too, we had a very little limited contact. We only had a small group of people we saw personally, very, very small, and for for three years, it gave me the ability to find myself again. Because what happens is that I go into an environment, I don't know if it's the environment that's causing me to react a certain way, the chemicals, maybe the people, but there's so much input coming, we no longer know where it's coming from. And being three years locked away in the in the mountains, uh, that clarity and working on my my holistic health and my fascia, my ability to perceive and receive. Um that's what allowed me to transition and and change the way that I came out in the world because all of a sudden I could separate the granular feelings. That's the environment, that's a person, that's actually me, or that's triggering something in me, or that's trigger that person's triggering something in me. But it I was able to separate me from the environment and the other people. That's where the magic started. That's where everything happened. And and to be honest with you, I don't I don't know a lot of people. I mean, Jason, Cynthia, Aisha, um, Anella, they've been able to do those things. Um, but I don't know a lot of other people that that have really been able to do it.
SPEAKER_01:Can almost detach themselves societally, simplify their lives, and really see what's working for them, what's not, and rearrange their lives to suit.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, or just know where I stand in amongst that sea of information. Because we have so much stimulus today.
SPEAKER_01:That that's when you were sharing that, what I was thinking of is yeah, when when there's so much going on, we're so overstimulated that the body actually has to numb just to put up with that.
SPEAKER_00:And that's what we get when we work with people and they're like, I don't feel anything. And I'm like, oh my gosh. But when you do feel something, you're gonna feel it in a big way because if you're not feeling something from that's changing in your body, if you're not aware, that means you've means that you've dumbed down, numbed down everything so long that you no longer have the ability to sense or feel how you differentiate yourself from the environment. And um, by far, the majority of people are there right now. 90% of the people are in that status in some degree or not. And there's a few people that actually can sense. Um, A lot of people that are practitioners or healers or whatever, they're just so shell-shocked in their own world of dealing with people like I was when I came out of the clinic, that people's energy, I just needed to be away. I would go in and help people for a period of time and then retreat because they overwhelmed me. And if this is something I learned when I met you, when we met on the beginning of the world tour. That world tour, I met tens and tens and tens of thousands of people in person and touched sometimes six, seven hundred people in a single day. And if I had tried to do that while I was in clinic, I would have crashed the first day and never would have recovered.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So something in me allowed that capacity and that flow to change. And this is where I see part of the problem is with people is that they've never emptied their bucket. Yeah. And to empty your bucket, you in today's world, you pretty much need to disconnect for a period of time.
SPEAKER_01:I'm getting this big philosophy of life. It's like uh a path, but the but it it it really starts with that that disconnect. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:You have to disconnect to reconnect. And you have to do it long enough that when you reconnect, you can feel the granular different differences in those connections. And and honestly, you need to disconnect, reconnect for a bit, come back, reconnect, come back, so that you get good at it like anything else that you do in your life. You need to do it a bunch of times. And by the way, the most powerful way I did this is I would with uh Jason and Aisha, we did a 44-day fast. That disconnected me from food, from life, from everybody. And then, and then for the two years after that, I went seven, 10, 15, 20 days every month fasting. That disconnection was literally the turning point in my life.
SPEAKER_01:It's also another one that you've we we've kind of touched on a little bit, but it's it's the disconnecting from media. It's the disconnecting from the news, it's disconnecting from your thoughts around the news of how things should be or how things shouldn't be, and a big acceptance. Um, like I know that acceptance is you know, it's about personal situations, but it's also like I find myself, I can very quickly find myself triggered by what's going on in the news, what I should know. And a lot of the philosophy that I'm hearing from you is like, Jamie, don't think you know better than how or how events should be unfolding, different to how they actually are.
SPEAKER_00:And you and listen, I I came from the world of keeping secrets for governments. What you're reading in the news is not the news. It never is. It's it it never is. So people that want to be current in the news, you're actually current in in fallacies, because the news is it's designed to give a very specific impression on you and create an effect on your biological, emotional well-being. It's not authentic in any way, shape, or form. There is no news anywhere that's authentic. It's skewed by somebody's opinion. And the people that think they're telling the news authentically, they're getting a line of something from somebody who's got a propaganda machine that's up against it.
SPEAKER_01:I had a weird experience recently. I um found myself really upset by a piece of um content very pro-Palestine in the Palestine-Israel conflict. And uh and so I shared it. And I just thought, oh God, this is heartbreaking. Some of my Israeli friends sent me a message and they said, Jamie, do you realize that's all propaganda? Look at what we're watching. And I saw pretty much a carbon copy of what I had seen, just with the other side to it. Yeah. Look at this call the color revolution. That frightened me of like how exactly similar they were. The conviction, the tone, the everything, the production, like literally mirrors of each other.
SPEAKER_00:Children being held by the same people, images used in different wars. It's called the color revolution. The CIA has been running color revolutions around the world to control and make the US dominant in the military force and the control aspects of the world. It's been happening for a long time. You can go read about it. And people look at it and they go, we know the US has been running this color revolution worldwide, throwing and bringing dictators like Osama bin Laden, he worked for us. We we sent them money, we trained him. These color revolutions are coming and going, but simultaneously it's happening inside of us. It's happening in the way uh the scripting in Hollywood. Like if you want to dig under the covers, like the programming that that that makes us sick is is it's at the deep level. Like you can't watch a Netflix film or a Hollywood budget of film without somebody being going to a doctor, being sick, taking a prescription. Yeah, this is actually I can't watch movies anymore.
SPEAKER_01:I don't I don't watch any of them. I don't even watch the good ones anymore because you know when they're panicked or stressed, they go to the bar to drink alone. Um when an issue like actually, so many of the issues that we're experiencing in our lives, you just see them played out and essentially almost broadcast are programmed through to the point that it's yeah, to the point that I feel like I'm getting a raw deal.
SPEAKER_00:So I had I remember once when I I realized the level of programming, but uh in a different way. I in about 30 years, no, about 25 years ago, we I took my kids to the movie and watched A Bug's Life. And I had my mom there too. So we have three generations watching the movie. And at certain intersection points in the movie, we're all laughing. But I realized that we're laughing for different reasons. So it's comedy that the storyline was so brilliantly made that my kids were laughing because of something funny. I was laughing because of something funny, and my mother was laughing because of something funny, but there were three different viewpoints of why that was funny at the same time. I'm like, wow, what an interesting piece of architecture to explain human interaction. So I went off and teaching people about businesses and motivation and how to run things, and and I use these examples from a bug's life. I'd literally take take slides out and situations because everybody had seen it. And I'd and I'd use it and say, see, this is a the hero's journey, you know, like um I somebody's got to stand up against them. They come, they eat, they do. And insectopia, all of these big concepts. And what happened is during the pandemic, uh, we were inside, we had disconnected from media for a long time, and we decided to watch a movie and we put on Bugs Life. And I hadn't watched anything in maybe a year, and all of a sudden it's like, oh my gosh, that wasn't the Bug's Life wasn't a good example of of what was going on in society. It was, I realized that we're showing these very complex situations, and we're showing it to kids who are forming their viewpoint of how society works.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Like the one where the ants are all marching and they're carrying stuff, and a stick falls in the ant line, and they answer it on their side. Oh my god, we're gonna die. We're gonna, we're never gonna make it, we're gonna starve out here, and all the ants behind, like, it's over, throw it all up. And then they the the supervisor comes and says, Hold on, I'm the supervisor ant. I have a solution to the problem. He surveys it and he goes, Walk around the twig. And it was, oh, we're saved. And then I thought, at that time it was really funny when I watched it 25 years ago. But when I watched it with new eyes, um, without my kids, without a media, I realized those are the things that we're telling our kids the way that the world works. So it wasn't a funny representation, it was pure programming. And I knew there was programming, but I I was even shocked at the levels of programming that there are. And when you go into media today, the programming is prolific and thick. So I don't, and even social media, for the most part, I don't consume social media, even though ironically we're a massive social media company. Yeah, I consume our content, I look at it, I look at people whose contents like it to see what they're saying and doing a little bit, like 10%. But the attributes of programming, the the human body is a fluid adaptive biological computing system. It can be programmed by wind, sound, touch, light, words, inflection, everything. And they all of these things trigger something in our nervous system. And that's when I realized that that's what was going on. That's when I no longer wanted to be in this world of privacy and encryption and part of the systems that that were programming us. That was my first thing. I don't want to be in this programming engine anymore. And I, you know, I've I've I've shared some stuff with you privately, but I can share some stuff, I won't publicly share it, but there's stuff that that I've shared with you privately that are just shocking to a core at the level of what is being done to us or programming to us. And for the most part the your generation, 30 somethings right now, 70% of what your baseline of what reality is is just stuff that's been programmed hardcore through media since you were born.
SPEAKER_01:Which is a kind of a a uh so there's a lot in that. There's a lot to kind of take in, there's a lot to process of like the idea that we have been programmed at an early, early age. And we still are it's funny, the thought it might be disruptive. The thought might be a bit like, no, no, no, that's not the case. But we have no problem looking back to Nazi Germany and looking at Goebbels and saying, oh, he was the minister of propaganda, and they had the Hitler youth, and they were programming them with their ideology at the time. We've no idea no problem thinking that, well, one second, a nation had that sophistication 80 years ago to do that, but that couldn't be done now. That I find quite I find there's a there's clues for the present in the past.
SPEAKER_00:We were just talking about that earlier. The the the the the to be the master architect of your own life, it's to realize the pattern when you're in it, not when it's gone. Whether that's emotional, whether that's a relationship pattern, it's to realize that it's happening right now. Like we are going through uh disintermediation of society right now. And we're gonna look back at this in 20 years and go, that's the time it changed. But while it's happening, I mean, look around right now. Basically, everything that's going on in the world, natural disasters, families breaking up, uh, mother and children, and father and son splitting up, um, birds falling out of skies, uh, all this stuff. We actually wrote about all this stuff. It was biblical, it was all over the place. We are in biblical end times. That doesn't mean the world's gonna end, it means that the times that we were, which were the age of Pisces, is ending. And we know it's gonna end because we were told thousands of years ago, or at least hundreds from what we can read, that it was gonna end with these signs. And these signs are here now, and people are like, whoa, that's look at that natural disaster. Look at those birds dying, look at all the oceans happening and all these things. So the mastery in all of this is to recognize where I am in space and time right now. And I always say to people, what are we doing today? What am I doing right now? That in 30 years I'm gonna look back and say, that was stupid. And I ask myself that question every day. And by asking myself that question, I can go, oh, wait a second here. That probably isn't the smartest thing. I mean, it felt good at the moment, or or it seemed like it worked, but probably somewhere along the line, that's not gonna be the best thing. And that's where self-actualization comes from. It's to recognize that I'm in the pattern before I get out of the pattern. And that just speeds my evolution.
SPEAKER_01:So let me let me ask, because all of that seems to tee up this this this future vision. What is your future vision? Where do you feel all of this is leading towards? What is the world of 10 years' time, 20 years' time from here?
SPEAKER_00:Well, I think people that are messing around trying to figure out what crypto source is going to be in the next currency completely crazy. Um like for example, currency, current, it's supposed to be a current. And when you block a current, it creates a dam and it and then the water becomes putrid. Currency, it's supposed to be a flow. It never was supposed to be blocked and dammed. It's supposed to be in the flow. And money currently is a blockage of currency. So what we index our value against is gonna change. Like, I'll give you one. Everything in all this equipment that we're using here, um, the resources to make all this stuff is free of charge. It's on the earth. And what we pay for is somebody to come up with the idea, someone to find the resources, someone to put together, someone to sell it, ship it, fix it, and then dispose of it. So what we're paying for in all of these things that we have is human time. That's what it is. Because if it wasn't for the human time, the cost of this stuff is is nothing. So we have robots right now, which is a real thing, and we have AI, and those robots can do everything that you that us humans can do better. And I can buy a robot and I can I want to dish in my house, I can build it. I don't have the lumber. Those trees out there, I can go cut the trees. It's tools, or I can 3D print the tools. At some point, because we used to pay for human time, human time's um involvement in things that we need to survive is going to drop very rapidly over the next couple of years. But the way our economic system is based is based on scarcity. And what is it scarce? What is scarce? Human time. You're paying for human time, so the money that we use is to pay for part of the life of a human. When I give you a dollar bill, I'm giving you somebody's life. That's what I'm giving you. Because somebody had to find that rare resource or that value and accumulate it, save it. So I'm giving you when I'm giving around money, I'm actually giving away people's lives. That's gonna change. Now, what that looks like, I'm not even clear. But I know that the economic systems that we currently barter on and trade up on are all gonna change. And what that does to the fabric of society. I'll tell you another one. It's gonna be a fun one to come up. Um, I was part of a project in the late 80s where we created the first digital signature, binding legal signature over the internet. Changed the notary public law in the state of Washington. The company's called ID certify. You can go look at it. I provide the bandwidth solution, I was part of a team. So we created the first digital signature, sold it to Boeing. Boeing used it. And that identified, that allowed to identify who you were. Like your identity and your authority is what you need to create legality in a signature. That's why you go in a bank, it's like, here's my ID, I can see, sometimes a thumbprint in the United States, to prove that that's you.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And then what authority you have. So we put this into a piece of technology, it's first blockchain technically. Um, and we're using it in the mid-80s or sorry, mid-90s. Now, now we currently we're signing everything with DocuSign. Everybody signs it. So there's contracts. At first it was just simple contracts, but now it's like contracts about governments and contracts about buying and selling houses. But I can take your phone and sign your document, right? Somewhere, somebody's who has a billion dollars out is gonna challenge that signature and they're gonna win. And you know when a lawyer uh or when a cop and in in uh messes with evidence and they get caught, then all of their cases get reviewed.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Somewhere, somebody's gonna go, that wasn't me, and they're gonna prove it. And look at all of the transfer of assets in the world and agreements that have been been done under this guise of you signed it and I signed it. And we're gonna have to, it's gonna force us to fall back on the instead of I have your signature, to the heart of the agreement, which is I made an agreement with you, we shook each other's hands, we looked each other in the eyes, we believe in each other, we still want to have this agreement. So it's gonna force agreement people to have agreements that either they either they agreed, and that's true nature of the agreement, or they disagreed and they were trying to do something wrong. That's gonna come up in the next couple of years. So these things are gonna disintermediate society in ways that nobody can even begin to imagine. I'm a very, very future thinker, like in this insane way. And I think of these little details all the time. It's in my mind all the time. And that's this is going to shift the other one, which is which is the one I came from, privacy. Everything that you've said for 30 years, everything that you've ever said has been recorded. You don't you're you're in a room like this, you don't have your phone on. You first of all, you think your phone's turned off, it's not. You don't have your phone on, you don't have your phone with you, but somebody else's phone is in the room. So that's all called metadata. You go to a bank teller, it takes your picture. You walk across the street, it takes your picture. All those things, you get in the Uber car, and it's recorded. All these things have been recorded, but right now there's very few people and very few systems in the world that have the power to go and assimilate that data to make it useful. Within two years, my kids, my grandkids will be able to go and look and find my voice through that signature with AI from every device where it's ever been stored anywhere in the world. So every shitty thing I've ever said about anybody, every lie that I've ever told is going to be up for grabs and exposed. And what that's gonna do is bring about uh guilt and shame. And these are things that are value of society, agreements, guilt and shame for what I am or what I've done. These are the things that the world is about to face, and it's coming fast, like a freight train over the next 48 months.
SPEAKER_01:That image, um, I'm thinking of Enemy of the State with Will Smith, where they kind of demonstrated, and that was, I think that's like 15, 20 years old now as a movie. But even that level of tracking and uh an insight into somebody's world was shocking. And by the way, fast forward 20 years.
SPEAKER_00:They were doing that 15 to 20 years before that movie. That's the world I came from.
SPEAKER_01:But that idea, yeah, of to with AI read someone's data, read someone's image, and then trace it through the whole library of content.
SPEAKER_00:Like an anthropologist, I'll not only be able to follow and and and look at where you went and where you ate and stuff like that, I'll be able to listen to the conversations and see the pictures that you showed on your phones and the text messages. So I wrote a thing called Privacy is my disease in 2020 when I realized this. And I first of all, I started telling everything in my life that that I'd ever done wrong. I just put it out there because I knew that that it like just even from a simple PR perspective, get ahead of it. Tell the world, if the world's going this way, I might as well be the first one. Just jump in the water. I just jumped in the water and started sharing everything that I've ever ever done in my life and exposed it all and took all the secrets away.
SPEAKER_01:But also, again, circling right back. That's acceptance.
SPEAKER_00:That's just, hey, I am who I am. Well, we come all the way back to the beginning of the conversation and and acceptance for me was taking away the veil, the the lies that I told to people through the story. It is who I am that I am. And and the idea that today I have cameras on me almost 24 hours a day. And and there are things that are that I say in some, there's every once in a while I go, maybe I shouldn't have said it that way. But I did. And for the most part, like that's open game and open source for people. Because I say stuff on in open settings where people recorded me and I don't know. It happens every single day, ends up on social networks or something like that. I get recorded all the time. And what if I just live my life like every moment was recorded, every moment was public. What kind of person would I be? And what would that do to me? How would my healing go? Or how would my life be? And this is where we are today.
SPEAKER_01:As I'm hearing that, I'm thinking that's a hell of a tool to find yourself present.
SPEAKER_00:Well, people are people are either gonna, Jamie, people are either going to proactively do this or they will be reactively put into this situation. This will happen in the next 24 to 36 months. No matter, no matter what people think, this is happening. It's here. And I think it's the best thing because like the greatest relief when I wrote Privacy is my disease, nobody knew that I'd gone to prison in them in the world that I'd become famous in, which was medicine and healthcare. And when I wrote it, people even that were close to me go, Wow, I can't believe you shared that. I mean, looking back at it, it's nothing now, but they're like, Wow, I can't believe you shared that. That's so authentic. That touched me in a way. And here's what I found out. It's like when I found out I'd been sexually abused, I shared it. I hold no secrets, and because I hold no secrets, I hold no shame. And I hold no shame that I can function. And listen, I don't do everything, right? I I screw up daily. But screwing up and and how I deal with that, that's just part of who I am. And and I'm okay. Like, well, I send text messages to you, like 90% of this they're 90% of the time they're spelling errors. I don't care. Yeah, that's just who I am. I don't try to make it socially correct.
SPEAKER_01:It's a piece, it's a taking the pressure off your shoulders, it's a, you know, there's you're not trying to be a perfectionist, you're just being true to who you are, how you are. And with that, you're relieving yourself of an enormity of stress, the likes of which lots of people put on themselves, lots of people allow the world to put on themselves. And then even for what you're sharing about this idea of metadata with regards to people, it's like, do you know what?
SPEAKER_00:So what? Yeah. And and that's the only way. Listen, I'm I'm I'm bringing something to the world, and I have a team of people doing it, but this was my this is my vision coming to life. I'm bringing something to the world, and I cared so deeply that people would experience fascial maneuvers and the transformation that happened. Like my biological age last year was 30, and and uh the last I have to redo it, but said it was 24, but I have to redo it. I'm getting younger, feeling better by these practices, which isn't a lot of technology, it's really a lot of radical acceptance and and moving my body and cutting out chemicals and all the things that I do. I so badly wanted people to experience this level of transformation that I didn't want to be the guy who screwed it up. I'd screwed up so many other things in my life. And the only thing that can hurt the movement of human garage right now, the only thing that could hurt us would be would be deception or me not being who I am, or some untruth or unspoken. And it's it's like I own it. It is what I am and who I am, and everything I've done or am doing or have done, it's clear because shame is what takes things down in society, it takes people down, and shame is feeling wrong because I did something. And I'm I'm not, but it it's a wild tool that wields society and and it starts like if you look at shame, which is which people are gonna deal with, shame starts in programming. You know where it starts? Things like the game of tag. Tag, you're it's because I don't want to be it, you're it. That's actually shame.
SPEAKER_01:And the opposite to shame, the weapon to shame is acceptance.
SPEAKER_00:Which where we started it off. So we have this big bowl and circle, and we've talked about all of these things, but the core of it all is to accept who I am. And I have accepted who I am, and I accepted, accepted why I'm here, and accepted, and for the first time in my life, I actually really, really, really like who I am and where I'm going. And there's things I want to change. It's I'm always bombarded by things, and I want to be better in every way, which doesn't mean I'm not good. I want to improve and make things happen. But this acceptance that I have of myself and and this also acceptance of the journey that I, with my free will and some other place, pick to be here is the coolest thing that I could ever share with you. It's like, how cool is it to know why you came here to this earth to be 100% crystal clear to the point where this is it. If I if I die doing this today, I've done it. I've already accomplished the goal that I came here as a human being. And I think there's a lot more to go, but I'm okay if this ends right now.
SPEAKER_01:That's your mic drop moment. That's our end. Gary, thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you, Jamie.