138 - You know you get them, those annoying spam emails asking you to join different lists that are supposedly free - but then only remain free long enough to get you signed up and then they change to a paid model. Well, this isn't it.
I'll admit I was skeptical at first but after talking to Bonnie I realized that this is not like all of the other 'start free then charge' listing sites. She's a photographer herself and is building a platform that will serve other photographers and potential clients.
Check out this quick episode to learn more and if you are ready to create your free listing, you can do so here.
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138 - You know you get them, those annoying spam emails asking you to join different lists that are supposedly free - but then only remain free long enough to get you signed up and then they change to a paid model. Well, this isn't it.
I'll admit I was skeptical at first but after talking to Bonnie I realized that this is not like all of the other 'start free then charge' listing sites. She's a photographer herself and is building a platform that will serve other photographers and potential clients.
Check out this quick episode to learn more and if you are ready to create your free listing, you can do so here.
Resources From This Episode:
JOIN THE PARTY:
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Welcome to the hair of the dog podcast.
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Today, I have Bonnie Sindeler from HappilyEverPhoto.com
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on the podcast.
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She is a family maternity and newborn photographer who had this
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big idea to create this industry wide resource that you are
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going to want to hear about.
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So stay tuned.
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Welcome to the hair of the dog podcast.
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If you're a pet photographer,
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ready to make more money and start living a life by
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your design,
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you've come to the right place.
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pet photographer,
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travel addict,
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chocolate martini connoisseur,
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Nicole Begley.
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Hey everybody.
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Welcome back to the hair of the dog podcast.
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I'm your host,
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Nicole Begley.
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out in Lincoln,
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Nebraska, and she's actually a maternity newborn and family photographer.
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we progress on here too.
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she's also created a new site called happily ever auto.com
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that we're going to talk about,
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but Bonnie,
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welcome to the hair of the dog podcast.
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right before this started about just all the different things of,
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all these different niches that are out there for photographers to
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a couple of years ago that did like newborns and toddlers
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me and I appreciate everything you guys do.
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Tell us a little bit about happily ever photo.
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we're getting married.
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moody kind of style.
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for and then have them respond if they have that style.
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their portfolio and looking at their photos to even find whether
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that person has your style.
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are they in your budget or are they in your area?
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how long have they been in business?
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they're just kind of these things that we would love to
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to find this perfect photographer.
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photographer for us.
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websites and finding all the information on each website,
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this kind of resource would be really great for the public
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they could search for a photographer in their area who specializes
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in what they want who's they could filter out by how
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long they've been doing it by their editing style.
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there are several different filters you can use.
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it just narrows down the photography pool of the people who
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there are all these listings for the photographers and in each
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profile they have their website and their email address and their
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general price point,
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which I didn't want to get super specific on for multiple
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reasons. But,
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They can't go on and say,
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this price point,
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be on the site that they can't charge less than at
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it's not the same in San Francisco as it is in
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it was on my mind for several years.
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I didn't have the skillset.
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I would have to pay someone to do it,
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which would be thousands and thousands of dollars.
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site, then who's going to pay when the site is brand
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new and it doesn't have any people coming on.
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the site and look for a photographer if there were like
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three photographers,
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listed in the whole place.
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was like charging or anything like that.
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if I can build the site myself and I can contact
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the photographers myself,
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right? We want a lot of photographers on there so that
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they have someone left.
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a kind of a threshold number of photographers that are all
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really great quality,
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the value of what we've created.
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emails, I believe The whole us.
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a lot of trial and error building the site.
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I didn't do WordPress cause I absolutely despise,
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but I use a different hosting site.
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everything like that slowly but surely.
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site. It's fantastic.
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us photographers.
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you get these ideas and sometimes they just won't,
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they just won't go.
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they're just like,
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it's still there.
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Yes. It's still there.
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Oh, I guess I really need to do something with this
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because this idea is not leaving me.
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that's fantastic.
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it was just earlier this year when you were getting ready
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to launch the North Carolina one and then,
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we, we get a lot of these random emails of like,
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Hey, come buy this SEO thing here,
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join this.
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Or they start with these like websites,
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like it's a free directory website,
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Jess K,
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now you have to pay.
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I was honestly surprised with how many people did do,
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you know,
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did sign up because I a hundred percent understand that I
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get the emails too,
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that I'm like,
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someone you recognize,
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and then if you do read it,
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you see free.
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And you're like,
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yeah, whatever free with my credit card.
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And after 30 days,
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you know,
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you charge me,
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there's always a catch.
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Right. So I fully expected people that even though I was
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as clear as I could be,
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that there was free and there was no up-charges or anything
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that they would be like,
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yeah. Right.
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Whatever. Or they would just assume that the website was garbage
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since it was free,
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you know,
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and they wouldn't even look at it.
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So yeah,
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I get it.
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So anyway,
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guys, I,
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I sussed it out for you emailed Bonnie back and I'm
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like in a very nice way.
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It was just like,
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so basically like these things require cash,
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what's your plan to monetize,
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blah, blah,
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blah. And I'm like,
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this is legit.
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All right.
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Yeah, no,
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I'm going to share it with my people because it's a
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great resource.
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I know I put myself on there.
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You are also starting to build out some areas for different
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education pieces,
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but yeah,
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it's, it's such a great place to be able to,
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to search for different photographers.
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And as you know,
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a business owner,
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I mean,
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it's a,
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a no brainer to pop,
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pop, pop your stuff on there.
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It's another back link back to your website,
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you know,
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and it's just a great place to be in amongst,
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amongst the others to be able to be found by people
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that might not have noticed.
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Yeah. Thank you.
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And like kind of like you touched on what the education
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stuff that was kind of a second part.
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I wanted to give value to the photographers on the site
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is that I have,
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well, I haven't sent out all the information yet,
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cause I'm still adding a few things,
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but an actual separate like photographer resources area of the site
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that, you know,
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can only be seen by the people who are listed.
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And it's got podcast,
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episode recommendations and educator recommendations and videos and articles and things
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like that,
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that I've just found to be just really educational.
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And I think I would like to,
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you know,
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I want to share it with other photographers and I just
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think education is essential in every field,
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but really in the photography field lately,
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you know,
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that so many people are getting into it without a formal
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education, which is fine.
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But if they don't seek out that education,
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then it could be a struggle.
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So, and there's business tips on there,
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obviously yours,
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you have business tips and then I've got some recommendations from
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other podcasters and stuff who talk about business.
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And yeah,
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it was just kind of an added bonus that I really
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wanted to help.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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Well, tell me a little bit just about your background.
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How did you end up getting into photography?
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I took a photography course in high school when I was
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a sophomore and it was an aging myself,
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but you know,
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black and white film,
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we had our own dark room.
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We developed all the pictures and I mean,
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it just immediately fell in love with it.
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I'm not good at any other form of art.
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I'm just garbage at all.
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Other photography.
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I had a bit of a knack for.
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And so from there,
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I mean,
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I had two things that I loved in high school.
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I had track and field and I had photography and my
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time was spent,
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you know,
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on those two things are basically nothing else.
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So I was in the yearbook,
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you know,
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the photographer for one of the photographers,
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for our yearbook and took college.
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I actually wanted to major in photography in college.
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And my dad who was a medical doctor was not super
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keen on that idea.
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So I got a biology degree,
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but I did take some photography courses in college too.
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And my biology degree was 100% useless,
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but I just,
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you know,
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bounced around to random jobs for a long time.
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I mean always doing photography on the side,
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but never as a career.
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And then we made a move to Nebraska actually,
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and I wasn't able to continue my job.
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We lived in Colorado at the time to just kind of
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continue it over in Nebraska.
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So again,
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found like some odd jobs,
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but started thinking,
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well, maybe I can just build a business and like so
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many. I mean,
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my story is so similar to other photographers,
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you know,
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you did it on the side for a while,
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then people offered to pay you.
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Then you charge next to nothing,
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which I don't recommend.
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Right. And then you just built it up AF you know,
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over time.
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So this is my eighth year in business.
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I've always specialized in maternity newborn families.
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And yeah,
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that's kind of,
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that's it.
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I love it.
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I do love that on the happily ever photo site that
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you do ask some clarifying questions to make sure that it
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is a site compiled of people that are creating products,
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selling products,
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or just add a price point for a boutique experience that
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is actually sustainable.
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So you know that it's not going to be our work
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next to a whole bunch of people that are charging $75
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for, for a session,
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which, you know,
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if you're out there and you're listening to this,
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nothing, you know,
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we've all started there.
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We've all started there.
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Cause I remember when I first started,
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I was like,
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oh, If I do a day of mini sessions,
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like six clients for $95,
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I'm gonna make like 600 bucks in a day.
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Oh my God,
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that's so much more than I make in my,
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I actually on that topic,
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I actually wrote a little blog article that you can find
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on the website about that entire thing.
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And yeah,
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I said a lot of photographers jump in thinking if I
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charge a hundred dollars for an hour session,
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then I'm making a hundred dollars an hour.
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You know?
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That's amazing.
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Yeah. No,
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not really.
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Oh wait.
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It takes like eight to 10 hours to actually service that
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client. That's like $10.
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Oh wait,
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I have to buy theaters and subscriptions and insurance and pay
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taxes. Oh wait.
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That's like $2 an hour and I don't get tips.
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Oh yes.
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We've all been there.
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So anyway,
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if that's you now come,
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come join the rest of the list tomorrow dog podcast and
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we'll get you on the right track.
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And I have to,
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yeah, like you said,
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when people go on the site and they fill out the
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profile forum that I have asked them to like verify somehow
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their pricing.
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So either give me a direct link to their pricing page
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or upload a pricing sheet,
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which obviously I'm not going to share with anybody,
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but I've kind of learned the hard way because people would
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say, yeah,
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I'm in that price point and then you'd get on their
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website and they clearly weren't even still,
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I get people filling out the entire form saying,
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yes, I'm in this price point.
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And then giving me a link to their pricing page,
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which very clearly shows their not price point.
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So I think they're just banking on the fact that there's
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like a computer on the other side.
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It's like,
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oh, they uploaded something.
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So it must qualify.
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But no,
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I was actually a real person.
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I do check it.
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Right, right,
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right. Oh yeah.
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So if you guys want to go check it out,
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it is happily ever photo.com
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and then right up top,
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you can go around and check out the site and there's
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a get listed button right up there that really just has
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a forum,
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just takes a few minutes to fill out.
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And it's really just a fantastic,
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a fantastic resource to be part of if you want to
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add your name on there.
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Yeah. So that you can start just be added to that,
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to that.
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Gosh, my brain is not working today,
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so you should be added into the networks so people can
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find you more easily.
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And I'm all for feedback too.
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I mean,
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I've created this myself,
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but I've used a lot of feedback from photographers and clients
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and everything on what could I do to make it better?
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Or what else would you like to see?
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You know,
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I've added different specialties based on what people or different editing
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styles. And so I'm completely open and you know,
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we're still fairly small and I just,
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I love to collaborate and get other feedback.
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So if you guys have any feedback,
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I'd love to hear it Other than me.
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I mean,
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don't just like email me and say,
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you know,
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you're terrible with the website,
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please. Don't say that We won't,
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we are I kind community.
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Oh, that's fantastic.
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Is there anything that as a photographer,
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once we are listed on there that is,
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you know,
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would be beneficial for sharing it or growing it or just
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getting it out in front of more potential clients so that,
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you know,
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more, more potential clients are searching on here?
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Well, one thing would be to refer other photographers.
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And I know that there's kind of like this mindset that,
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oh, well,
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if I add other photographers,
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joy, and then suddenly that's like more competition for me.
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And I really wish people wouldn't think that way because really
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the more photographers that are on the site,
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the more useful it is for the clients,
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which means more clients get on it,
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which means more people see your stuff,
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you know?
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And even if we are just talking about SEO or anything,
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you know,
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it's kind of like a,
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everybody wins in my mind.
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So if that's okay or if you just want to refer
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photographers who do other things,
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other than you,
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whatever, or in different states,
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like, that's fine.
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However you want to go about it,
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but that would be great.
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But then also obviously just kind of sharing it,
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what I've done on like Facebook forums and stuff.
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If someone will get on and say,
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Hey, I'm looking for a wedding photographer,
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which I obviously don't do.
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And so I'll go on all comments.
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You can find wedding photographers,
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you know,
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and, and filter by specialty and experience and everything.
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And I'll mention the website on that post,
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just so it gets more eyes to it.
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And that's,
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yeah, that's kind of the word of mouth is,
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is the best way right now.
555
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Right? Absolutely.
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And it'll continue to grow Bonnie.
557
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This is so great.
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Is there anything else that photographers should know about the site
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before they go ahead and apply to get listed on it?
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Yeah. One of the other features that I have on there
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is just kind of an added perk.
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And again,
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it's totally free for the photographers is actually to submit a
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couple images every month to have the opportunity to be a
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featured photographer on the site.
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So if you go on the homepage,
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you can scroll down a bit.
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And there's like a little gallery that you can scroll through.
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Every image has the company name and then a link to
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their website on there.
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And so there's usually about a dozen or so every single
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month that I will put on there and update it every
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single month.
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And then also featured them on social media,
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just as a,
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just kind of a fun little thing and obviously makes my
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social media feeds and my website and everything prettier.
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So it's,
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you know,
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it's a little selfish,
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but it works for both.
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Absolutely. Yeah.
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That's fantastic.
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So anyway,
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just wanted to bring Bonnie to you guys.
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So you guys could hear a little bit about the site
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and how Bonnie came to wanting to create it and how
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she put it together and checked it out.
589
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It's a great little spot.
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And I think we should all collectively just have so many
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pet photos on this website that everyone's like,
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oh man,
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I was going to get my family photograph,
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but now I definitely need my dog photograph to Yes.
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And I was telling you,
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I was telling you before we started too,
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that we don't have,
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that's one of our least common specialties that people have on
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the website.
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So I'd love to have more pet photographers.
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Yeah. Perfect.
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So you guys,
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she has come to the right place to find the pet
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photographers get on there and yeah,
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let's take it over all the dogs all the time,
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but Bonnie,
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thanks so much for taking the time to share this with
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us and with our community.
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And go ahead and let us know again what the website
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is. And then also where we can follow either that website
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on social or any of your stuff on social.
612
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Yep. So happily ever photo.com
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is a website and then happily ever photo is our Facebook.
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And then I think it's happily ever photo company on Instagram.
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For some reason,
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they said it wasn't available and then it,
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whatever, I won't go like that.
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And, but I also have what I like the most is
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actually a private Facebook page for people on the website.
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So once you get on the website,
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you can join the private Facebook page.
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And that's where we kind of like collaborate.
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I asked for feedback,
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you know,
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and things like that.
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So that's another resource.
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Yeah. Perfect.
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Oh my gosh.
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Thanks so much for,
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for coming on the podcast and thanks so much for spending
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so much blood,
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sweat, tears,
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and energy to create such an awesome resource for the photography
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community. It's really,
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really great.
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And yeah,
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really appreciate it.
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Yeah. I appreciate the time.
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Thanks so much.
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Thanks Bonnie.
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