Let's Photograph a Moose with Jesse Villemaire

144 - Seasoned pet photographers know that one of the keys to a successful shoot is patience. Canadian wildlife photographer Jesse Villamaire has it in spades, and it's coming in handy as he and his fiancée Susan expand their successful Follow Me North brand to include the pet genre. Join me this week as Jesse shares his approach to photography, connecting with pet owners, and staying focused on serving.  

What To Listen For:

• The keys to capturing memorable wildlife shots
• How Jesse responsibly shares his photoshoot locations
• The go-to gear to have in your bag
• How the other Rule of Thirds will bring your images to life
• Why ignorance-by-design is serving Jesse well

You might be inspired to get creative with your pet-photography packages after hearing about Follow Me North Pets' session options. They definitely got me thinking! 

Resources From This Episode:

• Follow Me North Photography
• Follow Me North Pets
• Follow Me North on Instagram
• Follow Me North Pets on Instagram
• Hair of the Dog Academy
• Free Hair of the Dog Community
• Hair of the Dog Elevate

JOIN THE PARTY:

• Connect with us on Instagram
• Explore valuable pet photography resources here
• Discover effective pricing and sales strategies for all portrait photographers.
• Ready to grow your business? Elevate helps you do just that.
• Check out our recommended gear and favorite books.

Transcript

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Welcome back to the hair of the dog podcast.

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I'm your host,

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Nicole Begley.

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And today,

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if you're an animal lover,

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which you're listening to the hair of the dog podcast,

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so chances are you are,

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you're definitely going to want to stick around for this interview.

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I'm chatting with Jesse Villemaire and he is from follow me

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North and follow me North pets.

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And he is first and foremost,

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a wildlife photographer and not any wildlife photographer,

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a pretty incredible wildlife photographer.

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So we are talking about all things,

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wildlife photography,

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how to get started,

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what that looks like,

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what the differences and similarities between those wildlife and dogs are

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and all sorts of great stuff.

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So stay tuned.

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Welcome to the hair of the dog podcast.

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If you're a pet photographer,

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ready to make more money and start living a life by

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your design,

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you've come to the right place.

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And now your host,

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pet photographer,

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travel addict,

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chocolate martini connoisseur,

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Nicole Begley.

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Hey everybody.

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Welcome to the hair of the dog podcast.

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I'm your host,

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Nicole Begley.

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And today I'm so excited to have with us a pet

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photographer of another.

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genre, another species,

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another breed.

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Oh no,

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he's still human.

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Jesse. Villemaire welcome to the podcast.

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So excited to have you here.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for inviting me on Of course,

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of course.

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Super excited to have you,

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your business is follow me North and you are up in,

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let me see if I get this right.

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Or if I butcher it Algonquin park or a national Park.

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Okay. Excellent.

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North of Toronto.

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Yeah. It's a couple hours north of Toronto.

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too far from the big city,

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but very remote up here.

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Nice. Yeah.

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I keep on getting confused.

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We were in Boston last summer and we went up to

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a gun quit Maine,

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which I'm like similar,

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not the same As well,

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right? Yeah.

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Not quite down that far south.

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I don't think so.

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Cute little tourist town on the,

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but anyway.

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Yeah. It's spelled differently.

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it's the U S versus the Canadian side.

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anyway, so yeah,

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I had the pleasure of kind of,

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meeting you and how vision last month we had a blast

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photographing dogs.

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who is this guy?

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This work is beautiful because it was mostly when I went

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you have the moose and the beaver and the loons and

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So you've had this whole wildlife photography brand.

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wildlife brand?

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Ontario, which is about three hours to drive up north.

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It was that place to escape.

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you find that it's usually a lot of work because you

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get up to the cottage,

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then you have to cut the grass.

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the roof's leaking,

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whatever the case.

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I'm going to finally find a way to move up here

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one day.

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that's when I was thinking about it and fast forward quite

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it's been about three years that I've lived up here full-time

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now. And that's when I think the photography push really started

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to happen up here.

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so happened that were the following North mundane came from actually

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I've never seen a moose in my life.

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And we'll go do that right now.

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it was just one of those things I just kept saying.

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well, that's sounds like a brand.

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I could probably work off of it.

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I think that started in 2015 actually.

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that's fantastic.

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So have you always had an interest in photography?

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Yeah, I think I started,

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I was always the guy that was carrying around the camera

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if it was even a car show back in my teen

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days with pets,

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even my dogs,

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like I just,

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I still remember the first dog photo that I got,

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where it looked like all four limbs were lifted off the

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ground and my dog was floating.

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oh, this is national geographic stuff here.

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Like those key moments that stick in your head and you're

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like, I can do this,

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but I wasn't thinking I was going to become a pet

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photographer or a wildlife photographer per se.

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Cause I like all genres to be honest,

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shoot tons of different things except weddings.

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we all have limits like about babies.

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We do babies.

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No, that's not the same Bloody and send newborns are my

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too hard nose.

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that's fantastic.

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you've been doing this full-time for quite some time too,

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it was a year prior to COVID happening.

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Susan's my fiance.

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She's also my partner in follow me North photography.

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I met her online through the hashtag Algonquin park,

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believe it or not on Instagram.

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something like her and her friends were camping and I'm like,

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oh, I noticed you're a photographer.

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that slide into the inbox or the DMS.

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She's telling me What she's telling me.

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me and I picked her up in Toronto cause she was

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a lot of like studio work and stuff like that.

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go to Algonquin.

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she hasn't left.

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this is working,

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why don't we try to move up north?

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and she wanted to get out of the city.

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I think she was working for Shutterstock at the time.

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there was no such thing as remote work back then.

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some remote time and they're like,

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to quit,

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that's when they came back and said,

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we'll let you do some remote.

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we started the business kind of full time.

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even though I was doing some workshops up here for wildlife

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photography, it wasn't something that I dove into kind of like

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100% into it.

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team that end of it.

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she's more of that introvert.

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I'm more of that extrovert.

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She's got a lot of that studio background in that business

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sense and I've got the just squirrel mind and,

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and, and go shoot and just have a great time.

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there's, you need to have that balance of those checks and

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balances. So yeah,

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I think that all worked out.

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four years now.

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I think that follow me North has been running.

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That's fantastic.

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you know,

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for the wildlife photography brand,

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what's the kind of different income streams there.

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you're taking images and selling,

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you know,

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framed final art pieces.

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You're leading workshops.

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are those kind of the main two pieces or is there

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anything else?

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I say the main piece is the workshops,

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because I think a lot of people reach out.

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I'm ver I'm very prevalent on the Algonquin park Facebook group.

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So all up here in the Muskoka area,

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I'm in a lot of the groups,

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they're sharing photos.

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And then on our social media,

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on our follow me North Instagram account,

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that seems to be our biggest one.

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So we get a lot of pull or a lot of

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people from there.

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And I think a lot of people will reach out and

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just be like,

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you know,

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where do you find moose?

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Are those common questions?

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Like when do I see most?

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It's not like I know exactly where they are.

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It's not like They gather at 4:00 PM down at the

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moose Starbucks,

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moose bus.

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Well, it's funny.

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It's so true.

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It's I think a lot of people think that like a

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lot of people will ask,

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like how do you see so many wildlife?

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And so how do you get these shots?

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And it's like,

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well, persistence and patience when you're going out constantly,

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that's the only way you're going to get it.

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And I live 40 minutes from the park.

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So it's not far for me to go for,

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you know,

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morning drive and go for a cruise through the park and

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go for a couple of hikes and come back the same

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day. So the more you do that,

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the more opportunities you get,

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obviously for capturing these wild moments.

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But I think everybody wants that.

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Right? So I think everybody wants that for one day.

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So I've had people actually contact me and they're like,

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listen, I'm coming up to Algonquin.

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Could I hire you for the day?

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I want to see a Wolf.

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I want to see a bear.

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I want to see a Lynx.

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And I want to see,

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you know,

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a moose,

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how you make that happen.

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You get,

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you get,

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you know,

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sunrise to sunset.

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Let's make this happen.

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And I'm like,

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we're not,

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I give them a link to the Toronto zoo and One

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day that's your best bet.

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That's Exactly it.

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Send them there.

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But it is funny how people think like that wildlife isn't

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wild for some reason.

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Like why it's,

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I think we all have this lens on when we see

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other people creating these things online,

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that it's an a,

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in an abundance,

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like there's so much of it because we're only sharing our

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highlight reel.

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Obviously we're only showing I'm not sharing the days that I

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don't see things like I'm not sharing a blank,

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you know,

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lake with nothing in it.

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You know,

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there has to be maybe a loon in it,

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unless it's a beautiful landscape or something obviously.

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But yeah,

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there has to be some sort of dynamic to the photo

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that we're posting.

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We're not showing the days that we didn't capture anything.

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And it was a waste of a day.

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I literally just had one of my best friends up here

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for the last two days.

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And he's come up here 10 times over the past three

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years that I've been here and he has not seen a

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moose yet.

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And I'm like,

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this is the time we're going to see it.

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And we went everywhere.

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I couldn't find them a moose over the last few days.

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I felt terrible.

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So, and literally just two days before that I was in

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the park and I saw four moose on the same day.

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So it's hit and miss it's really hit and miss Gosh,

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especially a big elusive animal,

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like a mousse or links.

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Oh my gosh.

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Thanks. Links encounters are our favorite.

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Anything cat related that way links are so elusive and Susan

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and I saw one of our,

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one of our,

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our common things that we'd like to do now is on

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Christmas day,

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we go into Algonquin park.

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So nice.

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So we were driving through Algonquin park,

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Christmas day,

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2019, and we come around this corner and we're like,

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oh my God,

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there's a Wolf on the road straight ahead.

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Like, wow,

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we never get to see wolves that you know that easily.

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Right. And we got a little bit closer as we're driving

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and I'm like,

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holy shit,

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that's a,

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that's a Lynx.

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That's not a,

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that's not a Wolf.

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And Susan's picked up her camera right away,

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shooting through the windshield of the car.

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It's snowy,

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it's got salt all over the windshield and I'm driving.

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So, you know,

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and of course,

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you know,

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shutter speeds way off,

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ISO's too low,

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but she captured a shot of it as it was running.

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It was a good thing.

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There was a cliff on both sides,

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kind of like a rock face on both sides of the

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roads. So the links couldn't go anywhere.

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It tried to run up this IC rock face and it

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slid back down and it ran up the road a little

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bit further and jumped up a smaller rock face,

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grabbed onto this tree and then just pulled itself up.

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And the whole encounter was probably 20 seconds,

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but Susan was able to capture that while I was driving.

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And I mean,

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it's slightly it's to hurt to this day.

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It still bugs her because it was slightly blurry.

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I'm like,

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oh God,

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like that's what T that's what Topaz is for.

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It's capturing that moment,

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right? Not the technical side.

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I'd rather capture that moment any day versus the technical sharpness

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of a,

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of an image.

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Yeah. And you can't really ask the links.

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Hey, can,

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can you hold on,

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can you do that again?

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We've asked so many times and they're stubborn.

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You know,

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they don't listen very well.

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Sometimes you get those magical moments and some,

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and then,

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you know,

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there was,

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I think prior to that,

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there was maybe three photos that we've seen of a links

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in Algonquin park.

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So there's been sightings of them,

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but not too many people had documented proof and like seeing

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them other than their prints,

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we were happy like when we showed the,

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you know,

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the naturalists and Algonquin park and some of the staff that,

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you know,

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it was just exciting for everybody to capture one.

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And one was just seen in the park and capture that

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on photo,

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I think two,

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three weeks ago too.

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So they're getting to be a little bit more prevalent in

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this area,

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which I'm happy about.

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That's fantastic.

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I love it.

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So when you do your circling back a little bit to

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the photo tours,

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who are your main,

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who's your main avatar that,

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that comes through those?

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Are they people that are just interested in photography?

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Do you have professionals come kind of who likes to do

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those? It's funny because I've had a few professionals they'll email

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in though,

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and it,

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you know,

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it's hard to define professional,

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right? But I had some people that it will be like,

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Hey, listen,

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I am from the city.

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I have a gallery.

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I know how to do photography.

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I don't need help with the settings on my camera,

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anything like that,

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but I still want to photograph wildlife.

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And I'd love you to show me kind of like the

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ins and outs of the area and stuff.

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And that's what it turns out to be.

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It's a lot of this is,

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you know,

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maybe we don't find any moose,

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but I'm going to take you through the whole park and

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kind of like our roots and our favorite locations and what

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to look for,

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how to track and finding prints and knowing what animal was

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here. So all those things help that person for the next

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time that they come up.

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So for example,

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I think last fall,

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there was a gentleman.

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He came up and he only wanted to see a moose.

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It was his biggest thing in his life to see the

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most and the whole day went by and we didn't see

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one, but I told them based on these tracks that we're

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looking at right now today,

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there's a moose within this two kilometer radius.

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I said,

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go down this trail tomorrow morning at like 5:00 AM,

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as the sun's rising and hope for the best.

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And he texted me at 6:00 AM,

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I think the next day.

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And he was like,

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I found him he's right here.

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And there's another one with him.

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And it was like the bull and the cow and the

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bull. Cause it was the rut.

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And it's just,

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it's so cool to hear when people have these little victories.

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So even though I might not be in that moment for

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that victory,

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I think sharing,

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you know,

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the ethical side of tracking or,

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or photographing wildlife as well as sharing the,

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the locations,

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but not sharing the locations to the masses online.

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Like a lot of people will say,

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it's scary,

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right? Like as soon as you post something on social media,

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if I was taking a picture of a Fox den right

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now and posted a photo number,

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one question is where is that Fox den?

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You know,

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where are those babies right here?

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Is it?

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And it's unfortunate that people will kind of share that kind

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of stuff.

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And then the next day,

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there's 12 photographers after that there's 24 photographers and then they're

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feeding that animal.

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And so a lot of our workshops is based on teaching

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people, the ethical side of wildlife photography.

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That's so important.

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Important. Yeah,

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Yeah, absolutely.

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There's some people.

530
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Yeah, it does.

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You know,

532
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I'm sure a lot of people just don't even have any

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background in that sort of thing where they just don't even

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realize that the impacts that it can have behaved really on

535
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that animal and the long-term impacts of it.

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So that's super important to share 100%.

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I think we all kind of think of any animals kind

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of like our domestic dog or pets and this animal that

539
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walks up to me looks kind of cute and it looks

540
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hungry. How do we know?

541
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It looks hungry.

542
00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,490
It's just because it's looking at us with that tilted head

543
00:16:46,490 --> 00:16:48,470
and the wide eyes is like,

544
00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:52,550
feed me Animals doing okay in the woods.

545
00:16:52,550 --> 00:16:56,810
He can he go find himself some rodents that Fox and

546
00:16:56,810 --> 00:16:57,950
such and you know,

547
00:16:57,950 --> 00:16:59,540
there's that whole debate online.

548
00:16:59,900 --> 00:17:00,770
You always hear it.

549
00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:01,130
You know,

550
00:17:01,130 --> 00:17:02,390
while that Fox is still,

551
00:17:02,630 --> 00:17:03,020
you know,

552
00:17:03,230 --> 00:17:05,660
hunting and it's still bringing food home,

553
00:17:05,690 --> 00:17:06,440
what's wrong.

554
00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,980
If I feed it a Dorito or a hot dog or

555
00:17:09,980 --> 00:17:10,610
something. Right.

556
00:17:11,420 --> 00:17:14,360
And you're habituating that animal.

557
00:17:14,360 --> 00:17:16,820
So it's going to come up to cars and it's going

558
00:17:16,820 --> 00:17:17,600
to come up to people.

559
00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,280
It's going to come up to the side of the road

560
00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,290
and potentially get hit by another car.

561
00:17:22,310 --> 00:17:22,910
We've seen it,

562
00:17:22,910 --> 00:17:24,830
unfortunately in the park happened quite a bit.

563
00:17:25,310 --> 00:17:26,900
Yeah. That happens a lot,

564
00:17:27,740 --> 00:17:28,040
you know,

565
00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:29,090
with the bears too,

566
00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:30,770
you guys have black bears up by you.

567
00:17:30,830 --> 00:17:31,340
Yup. Yup.

568
00:17:31,670 --> 00:17:33,020
Yeah, Yeah,

569
00:17:33,260 --> 00:17:34,190
yeah. And you know,

570
00:17:34,190 --> 00:17:37,130
black bears are not quite as dangerous as the Grizzlies,

571
00:17:37,130 --> 00:17:39,020
but I mean any of those bears,

572
00:17:39,020 --> 00:17:40,550
if they get too habituated to people,

573
00:17:40,550 --> 00:17:43,700
it's a death sentence for the pair because it's just becomes

574
00:17:43,700 --> 00:17:45,620
a dangerous nuisance to people.

575
00:17:45,620 --> 00:17:48,860
And so they have to relocate them and sometimes they,

576
00:17:49,140 --> 00:17:49,710
and yeah.

577
00:17:49,710 --> 00:17:51,150
So don't be the wildlife,

578
00:17:51,150 --> 00:17:54,450
everybody. Yes.

579
00:17:54,900 --> 00:17:57,330
This is your public service announcement for the day.

580
00:17:57,660 --> 00:17:58,860
Don't feed the wildlife.

581
00:17:59,790 --> 00:18:01,410
But speaking of dogs and wildlife,

582
00:18:01,830 --> 00:18:05,100
what are some of the cause you have now you have

583
00:18:05,100 --> 00:18:06,330
your following North,

584
00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:09,750
still your wildlife brand and your new follow me North pets

585
00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:11,520
brand, which is super exciting.

586
00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:16,080
What are some of the similarities and differences between photographing wildlife

587
00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:16,500
and dogs?

588
00:18:17,070 --> 00:18:17,610
Oh wow.

589
00:18:17,610 --> 00:18:18,300
That's exciting.

590
00:18:18,330 --> 00:18:22,140
It's exciting to talk about because you sometimes don't realize the

591
00:18:22,140 --> 00:18:24,360
kind of crossover it's funny.

592
00:18:24,360 --> 00:18:26,010
Cause a lot of times I bet you,

593
00:18:26,010 --> 00:18:27,150
people are more like,

594
00:18:27,150 --> 00:18:28,980
Hey, let's say I'm a dog photographer,

595
00:18:28,980 --> 00:18:29,940
a pet photographer.

596
00:18:30,210 --> 00:18:33,630
And then they kind of want to do dabbling of wildlife

597
00:18:33,630 --> 00:18:34,170
on the side,

598
00:18:34,170 --> 00:18:35,490
whereas wildlife,

599
00:18:35,490 --> 00:18:36,420
wildlife, wildlife,

600
00:18:36,420 --> 00:18:39,330
and now dabbling with pet photography on the side.

601
00:18:39,330 --> 00:18:43,200
Right. But I was always doing a little bit of pet

602
00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,270
photography, but never really branding it.

603
00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:47,850
So what I had the issue with was my following North

604
00:18:47,850 --> 00:18:52,770
brand was so wildlife like together,

605
00:18:52,770 --> 00:18:56,670
like to put wildlife and pets together on the same website,

606
00:18:56,670 --> 00:18:58,530
it just kinda seemed weird.

607
00:18:58,530 --> 00:19:00,630
So because follow me North was doing well.

608
00:19:00,630 --> 00:19:04,410
I just continued another website called follow me North pets.com.

609
00:19:04,410 --> 00:19:07,380
And it seemed to be the right fit so far.

610
00:19:07,380 --> 00:19:07,770
Cause it was,

611
00:19:07,980 --> 00:19:09,660
we just launched it this week.

612
00:19:09,660 --> 00:19:11,550
So I'm so excited.

613
00:19:12,510 --> 00:19:14,220
So we have somewhere where we can actually put that stuff,

614
00:19:14,250 --> 00:19:17,580
but the differences between it not so much because what you're

615
00:19:17,580 --> 00:19:20,220
doing with wildlife is you're looking for those key moments.

616
00:19:20,250 --> 00:19:21,390
You're looking for those,

617
00:19:21,690 --> 00:19:22,410
those stories,

618
00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,630
the storytelling within a photo as well.

619
00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,250
I'm looking at the environment,

620
00:19:26,670 --> 00:19:28,650
I love doing environmental portraiture.

621
00:19:28,650 --> 00:19:33,330
So putting a wildlife animal in the scene of whatever's going

622
00:19:33,330 --> 00:19:33,960
on, right?

623
00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,450
So when we were in lake Tahoe at hound vision,

624
00:19:36,450 --> 00:19:37,560
like that was my jam.

625
00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:38,340
I love that,

626
00:19:38,340 --> 00:19:38,670
you know,

627
00:19:38,670 --> 00:19:42,270
there was just a gorgeous backdrop and you have this magical

628
00:19:42,270 --> 00:19:43,740
specimen of an animal,

629
00:19:43,740 --> 00:19:46,050
which is the dogs that were just beautiful,

630
00:19:46,050 --> 00:19:46,950
the dog models,

631
00:19:46,980 --> 00:19:47,640
all of them.

632
00:19:48,060 --> 00:19:50,070
And they have this epic scene behind them,

633
00:19:50,070 --> 00:19:50,340
you know,

634
00:19:50,340 --> 00:19:51,300
with the water,

635
00:19:51,330 --> 00:19:54,180
the turquoise water and the mountains and the trees and everything.

636
00:19:54,180 --> 00:19:56,940
So I love doing environmental portraits with wildlife.

637
00:19:57,210 --> 00:20:00,510
And I just kind of brought that over to pet photography

638
00:20:00,510 --> 00:20:00,930
as well.

639
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,570
And then creating that eye contact and the,

640
00:20:03,570 --> 00:20:04,050
you know,

641
00:20:04,170 --> 00:20:06,540
building like shooting with different lenses,

642
00:20:06,540 --> 00:20:08,220
shooting tight shooting wide.

643
00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:12,480
The best thing about dog photography is I get to,

644
00:20:12,510 --> 00:20:12,780
you know,

645
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:13,800
put it on a leash.

646
00:20:14,010 --> 00:20:17,970
I can tell it to sit and stay.

647
00:20:17,970 --> 00:20:19,320
And sometimes they do,

648
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,070
I can feed it a treat and not like yelled at.

649
00:20:23,970 --> 00:20:24,660
Right, right.

650
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,010
The whole terrible about it.

651
00:20:26,610 --> 00:20:28,740
So there's some bonuses that way.

652
00:20:28,740 --> 00:20:32,100
I wouldn't say it's easier by any means anybody that's out

653
00:20:32,100 --> 00:20:33,090
there listening to this,

654
00:20:33,450 --> 00:20:36,480
doing pet photography knows there's some definite challenges.

655
00:20:36,810 --> 00:20:38,280
Some people think is easy and it's like,

656
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,950
wow, what do I do with this dog is won't calm

657
00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:42,030
down. It won't sit still,

658
00:20:42,030 --> 00:20:43,380
won't make eye contact with me.

659
00:20:43,470 --> 00:20:45,360
So, and I look at that and I'm like,

660
00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:47,010
well, that's still better than that moose,

661
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:50,260
that Fox on that Wolf that won't look at me or

662
00:20:50,260 --> 00:20:51,790
that link half of the time.

663
00:20:51,790 --> 00:20:54,070
So The baby that's just crying and you want me to

664
00:20:54,070 --> 00:20:54,670
photograph it?

665
00:20:54,670 --> 00:20:55,300
How, what,

666
00:20:55,630 --> 00:20:56,050
Yeah, well,

667
00:20:56,380 --> 00:20:57,550
what are we going to do now?

668
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,130
Come back another day,

669
00:21:00,850 --> 00:21:01,990
Come back when they're like five,

670
00:21:04,810 --> 00:21:06,130
Five's the magic answer.

671
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:06,580
That's the,

672
00:21:07,300 --> 00:21:07,690
I don't know.

673
00:21:07,690 --> 00:21:09,550
It could be some days like too,

674
00:21:09,580 --> 00:21:10,600
because you know,

675
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:13,180
either it to the really fun to photograph or it's just

676
00:21:13,180 --> 00:21:13,960
a total nightmare.

677
00:21:14,140 --> 00:21:14,500
It just,

678
00:21:14,500 --> 00:21:15,580
it just depends on the day,

679
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:15,940
you know?

680
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:17,170
Totally true,

681
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:21,550
totally fair crossovers between them.

682
00:21:21,550 --> 00:21:24,250
And I think what's kind of unique obviously,

683
00:21:24,250 --> 00:21:26,980
but the pet photography side of things is you're not just

684
00:21:27,820 --> 00:21:30,460
learning the behaviors of the animal.

685
00:21:30,670 --> 00:21:35,230
You're also learning the behaviors of the human cause.

686
00:21:35,230 --> 00:21:36,670
That's a fine balance too.

687
00:21:36,670 --> 00:21:39,580
And I find when we're photographing a lot of dogs or

688
00:21:39,580 --> 00:21:43,930
whatever, it's easy to kind of forget that there's a human

689
00:21:43,930 --> 00:21:47,560
there. Like there's the owner of that dog is there too.

690
00:21:47,890 --> 00:21:51,100
And I think we're all taught like behave with the dog,

691
00:21:51,130 --> 00:21:53,500
like know the dog's behavior and know that.

692
00:21:54,010 --> 00:21:55,060
But what about the human?

693
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:55,540
What about,

694
00:21:56,140 --> 00:21:58,210
what about the person with a wallet that's next to you?

695
00:21:58,210 --> 00:22:00,220
If you give that person a bad experience,

696
00:22:00,220 --> 00:22:01,960
you might've given that dog the best experience,

697
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,530
but if that person Who's Steve's,

698
00:22:05,530 --> 00:22:05,950
it is like,

699
00:22:05,980 --> 00:22:07,030
what, you know,

700
00:22:07,570 --> 00:22:08,500
what about me too?

701
00:22:08,500 --> 00:22:10,870
Like, they're a part of the whole thing as well.

702
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:14,140
So I think our biggest thing is with pet photography is

703
00:22:14,140 --> 00:22:16,780
making that bond with the human as well.

704
00:22:16,780 --> 00:22:19,810
If that's starting with a consultation over the phone and then

705
00:22:19,810 --> 00:22:22,570
kind of building it from there as well as the day

706
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,540
of the shoot is not to forget about the owner,

707
00:22:25,540 --> 00:22:26,920
not to forget about that person.

708
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,290
That's there with them not to forget about the husband that's

709
00:22:29,290 --> 00:22:32,080
maybe watching nearby or the kid as well.

710
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,150
Like they're all a part of this experience.

711
00:22:34,150 --> 00:22:35,860
So not giving just the dog they experienced,

712
00:22:35,860 --> 00:22:37,750
but giving the whole family the experience.

713
00:22:38,140 --> 00:22:38,710
So Yeah,

714
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:39,910
that's a great point.

715
00:22:40,450 --> 00:22:42,520
Yeah. I think that's a big thing we all need to

716
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,260
do. Yeah.

717
00:22:44,260 --> 00:22:45,880
And I think as you know,

718
00:22:46,030 --> 00:22:51,100
pet photographers in general tend to classify themselves more as introvert.

719
00:22:51,100 --> 00:22:51,440
And they're like,

720
00:22:51,460 --> 00:22:52,270
why photograph dogs?

721
00:22:52,270 --> 00:22:54,370
Because I don't like dealing with people,

722
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,290
but it's such an important piece.

723
00:22:56,290 --> 00:22:59,620
If we're going to do this for a business,

724
00:23:00,130 --> 00:23:00,520
you know,

725
00:23:00,550 --> 00:23:03,430
I haven't met too many dogs that have their own checkbook

726
00:23:03,730 --> 00:23:04,990
or their own credit cards.

727
00:23:05,170 --> 00:23:05,920
Even the,

728
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:09,700
like the famous dogs that maybe have their own income stream,

729
00:23:09,910 --> 00:23:10,720
they're still human,

730
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,970
the controls that said income stream.

731
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:14,590
So right.

732
00:23:14,620 --> 00:23:15,820
So we have to,

733
00:23:15,850 --> 00:23:19,030
we have to connect with people and you know,

734
00:23:19,030 --> 00:23:22,900
thankfully we're connecting with other dog people.

735
00:23:22,900 --> 00:23:25,360
So we have in common that we can talk about the

736
00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:26,920
dog. So if you guys are out there and you're like,

737
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:27,280
oh my gosh,

738
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,200
I don't even know how to connect with this other human

739
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:30,340
talk about the dog.

740
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,060
Like, just talk about the dog I consult for my,

741
00:23:34,090 --> 00:23:37,480
I think my question is let's schedule a zoom call or

742
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:38,920
a Fatah or a phone call.

743
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,570
And we're just going to talk about your dog.

744
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:41,710
Let's just talk about your dog.

745
00:23:41,740 --> 00:23:42,190
And I think,

746
00:23:42,580 --> 00:23:43,420
I think my button is,

747
00:23:43,420 --> 00:23:46,940
let's talk about your dog and it's just simple.

748
00:23:46,940 --> 00:23:50,210
And people love just chatting about their dogs and Yeah.

749
00:23:50,300 --> 00:23:50,570
I mean,

750
00:23:50,570 --> 00:23:52,550
how quickly are we all to pull out our phones?

751
00:23:52,550 --> 00:23:52,790
Like, oh,

752
00:23:52,790 --> 00:23:53,840
you want to see a picture of my dog?

753
00:23:53,870 --> 00:23:56,060
Yeah. Like it's just,

754
00:23:56,750 --> 00:23:57,980
yeah. I think I,

755
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:59,120
well actually it's funny,

756
00:23:59,150 --> 00:23:59,810
true story.

757
00:23:59,810 --> 00:24:01,220
When my husband and I travel,

758
00:24:01,940 --> 00:24:03,950
we send more pictures of the animals in the house back

759
00:24:03,950 --> 00:24:04,760
and forth to each other.

760
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,900
And then we do the children That's right Now.

761
00:24:08,910 --> 00:24:09,620
They can't hear this.

762
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:10,250
They don't,

763
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:11,330
they don't listen to my podcast.

764
00:24:12,020 --> 00:24:12,650
Sorry, kids.

765
00:24:12,650 --> 00:24:14,780
I love you anyway.

766
00:24:14,810 --> 00:24:15,230
So yeah.

767
00:24:15,230 --> 00:24:17,810
So I love those differences and the similarities.

768
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,340
What about the gear?

769
00:24:19,490 --> 00:24:20,330
Is there,

770
00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:20,660
you know,

771
00:24:20,660 --> 00:24:23,330
cause for dog photography that 7,200

772
00:24:23,330 --> 00:24:25,970
is our workhorse like go-to lens.

773
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,450
But I imagine that is not quite enough for most situations

774
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:30,710
and a wildlife situation.

775
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:31,520
True enough.

776
00:24:31,550 --> 00:24:35,570
I, I mainly shoot with my 100 to 500 mil and

777
00:24:35,870 --> 00:24:40,400
Susan's shooting with a one 50 to 600 Sigma sport a

778
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:41,230
lot of the times.

779
00:24:41,230 --> 00:24:43,130
So when it comes to dog photography,

780
00:24:43,130 --> 00:24:45,410
we do kind of go back down to the 70 to

781
00:24:45,410 --> 00:24:48,230
200. That's my go-to lens as well.

782
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:48,980
But it's funny.

783
00:24:48,980 --> 00:24:49,850
Cause that hound vision,

784
00:24:49,850 --> 00:24:52,070
I was shooting a lot with the 100 to 500,

785
00:24:52,370 --> 00:24:52,880
you know?

786
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,660
And I think maybe that was just the technique of hijacking

787
00:24:56,660 --> 00:25:00,830
some other people's shoots to be honest because I can get

788
00:25:00,830 --> 00:25:04,370
this picture from way back here Over your shoulder and you

789
00:25:04,370 --> 00:25:07,040
won't even know I'm here and I'm just waiting for that

790
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,310
moment where that dog just turns slightly looks at me in

791
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:11,090
the background,

792
00:25:11,150 --> 00:25:13,760
like way far away and then I can get a shot.

793
00:25:14,450 --> 00:25:17,060
So it's just playing with the different lenses.

794
00:25:17,090 --> 00:25:18,200
And I think what I,

795
00:25:18,430 --> 00:25:19,100
how I envision,

796
00:25:19,130 --> 00:25:19,430
what I,

797
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,510
what my big takeaway was just taking off certain lenses,

798
00:25:23,540 --> 00:25:26,090
trying new lenses and just playing a little bit.

799
00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:27,800
Right. I think we get stuck into,

800
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,300
we hear what other people do.

801
00:25:30,230 --> 00:25:31,670
We all get stuck into everything.

802
00:25:31,670 --> 00:25:32,870
What we're always looking at,

803
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:35,150
what other people do while everybody else is shooting with a

804
00:25:35,150 --> 00:25:36,140
70 to 200,

805
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,660
why should be shooting with a 70 to 200?

806
00:25:38,810 --> 00:25:41,090
Well, I love going out to,

807
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,330
let's say I wasn't at lake Louise for example,

808
00:25:44,750 --> 00:25:47,300
and everybody was on this little boardwalk taking picture of the

809
00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:48,170
giant mountains.

810
00:25:48,170 --> 00:25:49,610
Everybody had a tripod out,

811
00:25:49,610 --> 00:25:52,150
everybody had this wide angle lens and I walk up and

812
00:25:52,150 --> 00:25:52,430
I'm like,

813
00:25:52,850 --> 00:25:54,080
what's everybody doing here?

814
00:25:54,110 --> 00:25:55,310
Let's do the opposite.

815
00:25:55,580 --> 00:25:57,770
So let's take out a telephoto lens and try to do

816
00:25:57,770 --> 00:25:59,600
a telephoto landscape shot.

817
00:25:59,630 --> 00:26:01,340
And it's just fun,

818
00:26:01,580 --> 00:26:06,800
like challenging yourself in those situations to pull out something completely

819
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,360
different that you wouldn't even think of.

820
00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:10,580
So most people get to a big Vista.

821
00:26:10,580 --> 00:26:12,860
They're going to pull up their wide angle while I pull

822
00:26:12,860 --> 00:26:15,890
up the telephoto and kind of see what we can create

823
00:26:15,890 --> 00:26:17,990
there. And it's no different with the pet photography.

824
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:20,630
I was shooting with 70 to 200 most of the time.

825
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:23,870
And then I put on my 15 to 35 mil and

826
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:24,470
I loved it.

827
00:26:24,530 --> 00:26:24,890
You know,

828
00:26:24,890 --> 00:26:27,650
getting right up close with them and you know,

829
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,030
just kind of creating,

830
00:26:29,390 --> 00:26:33,170
that's no different when we're creating these galleries for our clients

831
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:34,790
is give them that variety.

832
00:26:35,150 --> 00:26:39,410
They've never seen their dog in this kind of fisheye kind

833
00:26:39,410 --> 00:26:41,780
of look like that big head and tiny body,

834
00:26:41,810 --> 00:26:43,440
depending on how close you're getting.

835
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,140
And then did,

836
00:26:45,140 --> 00:26:46,680
they might not have seen that before.

837
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,860
Right? Because their cameras on their I-phones might not give that

838
00:26:49,860 --> 00:26:50,490
same look.

839
00:26:50,580 --> 00:26:53,490
So give me that variety taking the time.

840
00:26:53,490 --> 00:26:55,830
That's why I don't like mini sessions per se,

841
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:59,700
because I like having that time to go to different locations,

842
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:01,440
try different lenses,

843
00:27:01,770 --> 00:27:04,800
just exploring the different options that are out there.

844
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,660
Yeah, no,

845
00:27:06,780 --> 00:27:07,470
I love that.

846
00:27:07,650 --> 00:27:10,350
That's actually one of my favorite things about teaching the workshops

847
00:27:10,380 --> 00:27:12,870
is our image reviews the next day.

848
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:14,700
So we shoot one night the next morning we do our

849
00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:17,820
image reviews and you get to see how every single person

850
00:27:17,820 --> 00:27:21,480
in that room saw something totally different at the same location.

851
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,970
I love that when you uploaded all the photos from how

852
00:27:25,980 --> 00:27:27,000
envision recently,

853
00:27:27,010 --> 00:27:27,330
I'm like,

854
00:27:27,390 --> 00:27:29,250
wow, this is so cool to see,

855
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,790
because I remember laying in this spot while somebody else was

856
00:27:32,790 --> 00:27:34,950
standing in this spot and just kind of see the different

857
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:36,300
perspectives. Right.

858
00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:37,080
And it's kinda like,

859
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,330
man, I wish I can go back and get that angle.

860
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:42,090
Right. And I'm sure many of us do that.

861
00:27:42,090 --> 00:27:43,380
We see what somebody else has and be like,

862
00:27:43,410 --> 00:27:44,400
why didn't I see that?

863
00:27:44,430 --> 00:27:45,600
How didn't I see that?

864
00:27:45,690 --> 00:27:47,040
And I think that's,

865
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,340
what's so compelling about photography.

866
00:27:50,340 --> 00:27:53,010
Everybody's different views and compositions.

867
00:27:53,010 --> 00:27:55,350
Like I love composition,

868
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:57,240
right? Cause I like to break those rules.

869
00:27:57,610 --> 00:27:59,100
Somebody tells me I can't do something.

870
00:27:59,100 --> 00:27:59,490
I'm like,

871
00:27:59,580 --> 00:28:00,630
Nope, watch this.

872
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,430
Let's let's do this.

873
00:28:02,430 --> 00:28:03,210
Let's try this.

874
00:28:03,210 --> 00:28:05,070
But I think one of the biggest things I've learned in

875
00:28:05,100 --> 00:28:06,240
composition wise,

876
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,360
which I felt as though took the wildlife photography,

877
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:13,770
one step further form for us was creating that not just

878
00:28:13,770 --> 00:28:16,950
the rule of thirds left to right top to bottom,

879
00:28:16,980 --> 00:28:19,650
but the rule of thirds depth into the photo,

880
00:28:20,370 --> 00:28:23,610
creating a foreground middle ground background and as many layers as

881
00:28:23,610 --> 00:28:26,730
possible. So all of a sudden when I started doing that

882
00:28:26,730 --> 00:28:29,880
with pet photography and then doing it with wildlife photography,

883
00:28:30,090 --> 00:28:33,120
it just created like this three-dimension kind of image.

884
00:28:33,150 --> 00:28:34,080
How do we do that?

885
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:36,030
So I'm always challenging,

886
00:28:36,190 --> 00:28:37,500
like Susan and I it's fun.

887
00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:38,640
Cause we challenge each other.

888
00:28:38,670 --> 00:28:41,730
We'll get back to the theater and be looking at her

889
00:28:41,730 --> 00:28:44,640
photos. I'm looking at mine and we shoot a lot together

890
00:28:44,670 --> 00:28:46,560
and different lenses at the same time.

891
00:28:46,890 --> 00:28:47,730
So we kind of be like,

892
00:28:47,790 --> 00:28:48,810
oh, you got that.

893
00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:49,560
And then you're smart,

894
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,540
how you went down low and you created that kind of

895
00:28:51,540 --> 00:28:52,440
depth to it.

896
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,800
And it's just really fun to kind of see what each,

897
00:28:56,010 --> 00:28:57,540
each of us pull out from the shoot.

898
00:28:57,630 --> 00:28:58,980
Yeah. That's great.

899
00:28:59,010 --> 00:28:59,460
I love it.

900
00:28:59,550 --> 00:28:59,910
I love it.

901
00:28:59,910 --> 00:29:02,250
Yeah. The it's it's so important.

902
00:29:02,250 --> 00:29:05,700
And I think it's important to also just talk about,

903
00:29:06,210 --> 00:29:06,570
you know,

904
00:29:06,570 --> 00:29:10,050
we get inspired by what we see other people doing and

905
00:29:10,050 --> 00:29:13,920
how important it is to continue to look for inspiration outside

906
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,040
of our same genre and just test different things and mix

907
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,330
and match everything.

908
00:29:18,330 --> 00:29:21,480
Because so many people are trying to figure out like,

909
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,450
how do I get my own voice as a photographer?

910
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,460
How do I develop this style?

911
00:29:26,790 --> 00:29:29,460
And so they're tempted to sometimes look at,

912
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,260
oh, well this person is successful.

913
00:29:31,470 --> 00:29:32,070
They're successful.

914
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:33,720
Maybe I should do that style too.

915
00:29:33,810 --> 00:29:37,860
And it's not about that style.

916
00:29:37,860 --> 00:29:40,500
It's about staying true to your artistic voice.

917
00:29:40,770 --> 00:29:44,440
And when you're like really truly digging into who you are,

918
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,620
artistically and like mixing and matching different things and creating something

919
00:29:47,620 --> 00:29:48,760
uniquely yours,

920
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,910
I think that's what causes the success more so than just

921
00:29:51,910 --> 00:29:52,330
being like,

922
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,810
oh, I'm supposed to use this lens and do that thing

923
00:29:55,810 --> 00:29:56,830
and create this piece.

924
00:29:56,830 --> 00:29:58,930
And then that's what everybody wants.

925
00:29:58,930 --> 00:30:00,010
So that's what I must do.

926
00:30:01,030 --> 00:30:04,240
100%. I find like if you follow your passion,

927
00:30:04,330 --> 00:30:05,980
the money will follow.

928
00:30:06,010 --> 00:30:08,410
Right? You shoot what you love.

929
00:30:08,890 --> 00:30:10,960
The B the business will grow more,

930
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,860
that your people will see your passion and want to pay

931
00:30:14,860 --> 00:30:15,970
you for that passion.

932
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,270
Instead, I think a lot of people will look towards exactly

933
00:30:19,270 --> 00:30:20,980
what you said is looking at other people.

934
00:30:21,370 --> 00:30:23,530
And I've learned now over the years that I'm guilty of

935
00:30:23,530 --> 00:30:24,190
it. We all are.

936
00:30:24,220 --> 00:30:26,650
We look at other people's stuff and we look at how

937
00:30:26,650 --> 00:30:27,910
other people are doing things.

938
00:30:28,390 --> 00:30:29,620
And then at the end of the day,

939
00:30:29,620 --> 00:30:29,950
I'm like,

940
00:30:30,010 --> 00:30:34,150
I'm just so focused on all my competition instead of focusing

941
00:30:34,150 --> 00:30:34,960
on my client.

942
00:30:35,290 --> 00:30:37,690
So why I want to do and what do I want

943
00:30:37,690 --> 00:30:39,580
to serve towards my client?

944
00:30:39,670 --> 00:30:41,470
And instead all of us,

945
00:30:41,710 --> 00:30:42,310
I say,

946
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:42,790
all of us,

947
00:30:42,790 --> 00:30:46,090
like, we're all guilty and let's take a look inside folks.

948
00:30:47,050 --> 00:30:48,160
Have we been guilty of this?

949
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,100
Probably that we focus so much on our competition,

950
00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:52,210
what everybody else is doing.

951
00:30:52,210 --> 00:30:54,790
And then we get fearful more so because we think that

952
00:30:54,790 --> 00:30:55,900
they're doing it better than us.

953
00:30:55,900 --> 00:30:58,960
And then we just get this paralyzed approach,

954
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,180
right. We all get frozen in our fear.

955
00:31:01,180 --> 00:31:03,880
And there's nothing worse than that.

956
00:31:04,030 --> 00:31:04,360
I mean,

957
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:05,620
they'll go through it.

958
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:06,670
I still look at,

959
00:31:06,850 --> 00:31:07,240
you know,

960
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,850
I try not to compare so much.

961
00:31:09,850 --> 00:31:13,150
It's just literally start focusing on what I want to do,

962
00:31:13,150 --> 00:31:14,230
how I want to create,

963
00:31:14,260 --> 00:31:16,180
and then kind of build it from there.

964
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,430
I still don't know up here in my region,

965
00:31:18,460 --> 00:31:20,080
if there's other pet photographers,

966
00:31:20,140 --> 00:31:24,250
because I haven't went down that path of let's compare myself

967
00:31:24,250 --> 00:31:26,350
to every other person that's in my area.

968
00:31:26,530 --> 00:31:27,400
I don't want to be that.

969
00:31:27,790 --> 00:31:30,280
I just want to kind of focus my own path,

970
00:31:30,700 --> 00:31:32,890
build my own thing and create,

971
00:31:33,310 --> 00:31:36,970
create magical work without the noise of everybody else.

972
00:31:37,420 --> 00:31:40,210
Yeah. Because when you're true to yourself with the work you're

973
00:31:40,210 --> 00:31:42,790
creating and also how you want to set up your business,

974
00:31:43,150 --> 00:31:44,290
what it is you want to sell,

975
00:31:44,290 --> 00:31:45,370
how you want to work.

976
00:31:45,370 --> 00:31:46,720
If you want to do longer sessions,

977
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:47,800
shorter sessions,

978
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,120
only at certain locations,

979
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:49,570
new places,

980
00:31:49,570 --> 00:31:50,080
all the time,

981
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,210
whatever anything can work.

982
00:31:52,660 --> 00:31:55,000
But the key is to figure out what it is for

983
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,040
you and then build that business around it.

984
00:31:57,820 --> 00:31:58,030
You know,

985
00:31:58,030 --> 00:31:58,660
for instance,

986
00:31:58,660 --> 00:32:00,190
I use this example all the time.

987
00:32:00,190 --> 00:32:03,130
Kim Hollis is another photographer here in the Charlotte region,

988
00:32:03,730 --> 00:32:04,870
also very successful,

989
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:06,370
great, great artist.

990
00:32:06,670 --> 00:32:09,790
And one of her most popular products is metals.

991
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,680
Well, I serve the same people as she does,

992
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:12,850
and I don't even offer metals.

993
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,240
And yet we're both successful and we both have clients that

994
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,230
love what we offer.

995
00:32:17,620 --> 00:32:19,900
And it just comes down to us,

996
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,340
both knowing what we love.

997
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,310
And then that translate that like that passion that you said

998
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,430
translate when we're talking about products to our clients,

999
00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:27,730
they're like,

1000
00:32:27,790 --> 00:32:28,930
oh, you'd love that.

1001
00:32:28,930 --> 00:32:29,890
I love that too.

1002
00:32:30,220 --> 00:32:33,280
Right. And I don't know if you've ever experienced this with

1003
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,460
the wildlife stuff or if anybody else out there has,

1004
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,860
but I've had things on my price list before that I

1005
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:39,770
didn't love.

1006
00:32:40,340 --> 00:32:41,000
And coincidentally,

1007
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,070
I didn't sell them even though they were there.

1008
00:32:43,310 --> 00:32:45,740
And even though I was told they were the popular products

1009
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:46,550
they didn't sell.

1010
00:32:46,970 --> 00:32:51,200
Yeah. We have basically eliminated more than ever on our,

1011
00:32:51,220 --> 00:32:52,370
our price lists.

1012
00:32:52,910 --> 00:32:57,740
I think photography is about elimination because isn't it,

1013
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,020
Sorry, I have to add this.

1014
00:33:00,020 --> 00:33:00,350
I mean,

1015
00:33:00,350 --> 00:33:01,550
you're looking at this big scene.

1016
00:33:01,550 --> 00:33:01,880
It's like,

1017
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:02,930
what do I want people to see?

1018
00:33:03,650 --> 00:33:04,340
Yeah. What do I take?

1019
00:33:04,340 --> 00:33:05,450
It? It's all subtraction,

1020
00:33:05,450 --> 00:33:05,990
right? It's not,

1021
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:07,070
what do I want in this image?

1022
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:08,810
What do I want to remove from this image?

1023
00:33:08,870 --> 00:33:11,600
And we should look at our price lists and our websites

1024
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,610
and our information the same way.

1025
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:14,930
Is it too much?

1026
00:33:15,260 --> 00:33:20,300
Probably. Why are we offering the world to everybody it's overload,

1027
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,240
right. And why do we have 10 different price lists?

1028
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,600
So I'm just trying to keep it simple right now.

1029
00:33:27,170 --> 00:33:28,370
Follow me North pets.

1030
00:33:28,370 --> 00:33:29,270
We have two packages.

1031
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:34,160
We have one that's including the stay at our cottage.

1032
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:34,940
So we have a bar.

1033
00:33:35,030 --> 00:33:36,710
We have a Barkin stay is called.

1034
00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:40,340
So we have a Barkin state package,

1035
00:33:40,340 --> 00:33:43,100
which is amazing because people are already signing up for it.

1036
00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:43,520
And they,

1037
00:33:44,390 --> 00:33:46,550
when we had our cottage for two nights and then they

1038
00:33:46,550 --> 00:33:47,780
get to bring their pets.

1039
00:33:47,780 --> 00:33:50,120
And then we do a big photo shoot here on the,

1040
00:33:50,300 --> 00:33:51,080
on the grounds.

1041
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:51,980
And you know what,

1042
00:33:51,980 --> 00:33:54,740
it's amazing because I know our property,

1043
00:33:55,010 --> 00:33:55,640
it's easy.

1044
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:56,930
It's much easier.

1045
00:33:56,930 --> 00:33:57,620
I can just be like,

1046
00:33:57,650 --> 00:33:59,870
oh, I know this spot has the best light at this

1047
00:33:59,870 --> 00:34:00,740
time of day.

1048
00:34:00,740 --> 00:34:03,620
And I know this little setting here is nice and I

1049
00:34:03,620 --> 00:34:06,440
can do so many different shots on our property.

1050
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,810
And it looks like 10 different locations.

1051
00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:09,830
Right. Which is really fun.

1052
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,540
So our Barkin stays is going to be,

1053
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,980
I think it's going to be pretty popular over there A

1054
00:34:15,980 --> 00:34:16,460
hundred percent.

1055
00:34:16,460 --> 00:34:19,460
And then there's people that don't necessarily need the stay.

1056
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,460
So we have a cheaper session fee for people that just

1057
00:34:22,460 --> 00:34:22,970
want to do,

1058
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:23,660
you know,

1059
00:34:24,420 --> 00:34:25,790
shoot during the day.

1060
00:34:26,030 --> 00:34:27,590
Maybe it might be a couple hours.

1061
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,560
I'm not one to kind of like set times for anything.

1062
00:34:30,580 --> 00:34:32,900
Right. I'm booking you for the day.

1063
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,090
We're not going to shoot necessarily all day,

1064
00:34:35,090 --> 00:34:37,340
but we might try a different couple of different locations.

1065
00:34:37,580 --> 00:34:39,860
Might shoot an hour here might shoot two hours.

1066
00:34:39,860 --> 00:34:41,150
Here might be 15 minutes.

1067
00:34:41,450 --> 00:34:42,110
Yeah. Right.

1068
00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:44,180
We've had little dogs here that are like,

1069
00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:45,140
Nope, 15 minutes.

1070
00:34:45,140 --> 00:34:45,800
That's max.

1071
00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:46,460
I'm done.

1072
00:34:47,240 --> 00:34:48,070
I can handle.

1073
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:48,860
It's too cold.

1074
00:34:48,860 --> 00:34:50,030
I'm going back inside.

1075
00:34:50,030 --> 00:34:51,320
So, Oh,

1076
00:34:51,860 --> 00:34:52,340
that's funny.

1077
00:34:52,340 --> 00:34:53,570
I do the same with my clients.

1078
00:34:53,570 --> 00:34:54,740
I basically just tell them,

1079
00:34:54,770 --> 00:34:55,070
you know,

1080
00:34:55,070 --> 00:34:56,480
most sessions take,

1081
00:34:56,890 --> 00:34:57,230
you know,

1082
00:34:57,230 --> 00:34:58,370
approximately 90 minutes.

1083
00:34:58,370 --> 00:34:59,120
Some are shorter.

1084
00:34:59,120 --> 00:34:59,930
Some are a lot,

1085
00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:00,590
little longer.

1086
00:35:00,590 --> 00:35:02,450
We're just gonna see what the dog,

1087
00:35:03,260 --> 00:35:04,280
what the dog wants us to do.

1088
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:05,840
Listen to the dog.

1089
00:35:06,830 --> 00:35:08,120
Yeah. Ah,

1090
00:35:08,330 --> 00:35:09,320
so exciting.

1091
00:35:09,590 --> 00:35:11,090
So while we wrap up,

1092
00:35:11,900 --> 00:35:14,570
I guess the last thing I kind of want to talk

1093
00:35:14,570 --> 00:35:18,140
about is any advice that you have for any pet photographers

1094
00:35:18,140 --> 00:35:19,040
out there that are like,

1095
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,890
man, I would love to start doing some more with wildlife

1096
00:35:21,890 --> 00:35:25,460
stuff. So kind of what are the first steps and how

1097
00:35:25,460 --> 00:35:26,390
do you get started with that?

1098
00:35:26,690 --> 00:35:29,390
I think the first best step anybody can do is find

1099
00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:30,410
somebody to shoot with,

1100
00:35:30,590 --> 00:35:31,190
find a buddy,

1101
00:35:31,220 --> 00:35:31,820
find a shooting,

1102
00:35:31,820 --> 00:35:35,720
buddy, because then you're kind of accountable for that person that

1103
00:35:35,780 --> 00:35:36,170
you know,

1104
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,230
for each other too.

1105
00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:41,190
Cause the worst thing about wildlife photography is the hours.

1106
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,070
Because if anybody wants to see wildlife,

1107
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:44,940
they're like,

1108
00:35:44,970 --> 00:35:47,340
I've been to Algonquin park for like 30 years.

1109
00:35:47,340 --> 00:35:47,730
And I still,

1110
00:35:47,730 --> 00:35:49,020
haven't seen a moose and I'm like,

1111
00:35:49,020 --> 00:35:52,530
well, you're going in mid August when it's 30 plus degrees

1112
00:35:52,890 --> 00:35:53,400
and it's,

1113
00:35:53,700 --> 00:35:53,940
you know,

1114
00:35:53,940 --> 00:35:57,570
three o'clock in the afternoon and there's a ton of tourists

1115
00:35:57,570 --> 00:35:59,220
there. You're not going to see anything.

1116
00:35:59,220 --> 00:36:01,470
Right. So you have to wake up at that crack of

1117
00:36:01,470 --> 00:36:04,830
Dawn. Like sometimes I'm waking up here at 3 30,

1118
00:36:04,830 --> 00:36:07,470
4 o'clock in the morning making a little bit of breakfast

1119
00:36:07,470 --> 00:36:07,860
meal for the road,

1120
00:36:07,860 --> 00:36:08,550
some coffee,

1121
00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:09,480
lots of coffee,

1122
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,420
definitely lots of coffee and then get in the car and

1123
00:36:12,420 --> 00:36:16,050
go. And you're in the park before anybody else awakes from

1124
00:36:16,050 --> 00:36:19,650
their tents and I'll see bears and moose.

1125
00:36:19,650 --> 00:36:22,380
And sometimes the odd Wolf will come running out of the

1126
00:36:22,380 --> 00:36:25,380
woods. And it's just an incredible experience.

1127
00:36:25,380 --> 00:36:26,310
And then sunrises,

1128
00:36:26,340 --> 00:36:27,810
nobody sees sunrises anymore.

1129
00:36:28,020 --> 00:36:29,250
Everybody sees sunsets.

1130
00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:31,560
You know how amazing sunrise is hard.

1131
00:36:31,590 --> 00:36:32,790
It's incredible.

1132
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,250
What time is sunrise for you in the summer?

1133
00:36:35,250 --> 00:36:39,660
Since you're so far north It'd be Like five,

1134
00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:40,370
eight. Yeah.

1135
00:36:40,380 --> 00:36:45,840
So 5 35 depends where I always try to think an

1136
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,850
hour ahead of the sunrise because I'm trying to get to

1137
00:36:47,850 --> 00:36:49,200
the location right.

1138
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,790
A half hour prior to that.

1139
00:36:51,150 --> 00:36:53,100
Some, so I'm leaving here sometimes in June.

1140
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:55,500
I remember June being like four o'clock in the morning,

1141
00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:59,610
I'm leaving here three 30 depending to try to get to

1142
00:36:59,610 --> 00:37:00,540
that location.

1143
00:37:00,810 --> 00:37:03,240
Yeah. But sunrises are incredible.

1144
00:37:03,450 --> 00:37:04,680
Yeah. Well we,

1145
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:05,250
I was just,

1146
00:37:05,250 --> 00:37:08,940
we're just finalizing locations and sessions for our bark Lander and

1147
00:37:08,940 --> 00:37:11,070
it's may mid-May and Scotland.

1148
00:37:11,370 --> 00:37:14,460
And the sun sets at nine 30 and comes up at

1149
00:37:14,460 --> 00:37:15,570
like five,

1150
00:37:15,780 --> 00:37:17,550
10:00 AM.

1151
00:37:17,550 --> 00:37:21,570
Something like That.

1152
00:37:21,570 --> 00:37:24,450
We will not be doing any sunrise shoots for that one.

1153
00:37:24,450 --> 00:37:24,750
I mean,

1154
00:37:24,750 --> 00:37:26,100
I'm teaching this with Kaylie,

1155
00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:28,320
from dog breath and she is not a morning person as

1156
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,090
you know,

1157
00:37:29,490 --> 00:37:32,160
has Ever seen a sunrise before.

1158
00:37:32,340 --> 00:37:33,510
Actually. I'm sure she has,

1159
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:35,850
but only because she's been up all night.

1160
00:37:35,850 --> 00:37:39,030
No, I think she has only because she's seen my Instagram

1161
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:41,010
feed and she's seen photos of sunrises.

1162
00:37:42,690 --> 00:37:43,650
That's what love is.

1163
00:37:43,980 --> 00:37:44,820
Yeah. I love it.

1164
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:46,020
Yeah. I got,

1165
00:37:46,020 --> 00:37:46,980
I hate getting out of bed,

1166
00:37:46,980 --> 00:37:50,190
but I do love the rare occasions when I'm up so

1167
00:37:50,190 --> 00:37:51,060
early. Like I had,

1168
00:37:51,060 --> 00:37:53,280
my favorite is actually when I come home from Scotland coming

1169
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,400
home from Europe and then I'm like the time zone with

1170
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:56,940
the jet lag.

1171
00:37:56,970 --> 00:37:59,250
I'm like boom in bed at like eight o'clock,

1172
00:37:59,310 --> 00:38:00,930
nine o'clock and up at five,

1173
00:38:00,930 --> 00:38:02,850
just like ready to go.

1174
00:38:03,150 --> 00:38:03,780
Like, oh,

1175
00:38:04,380 --> 00:38:05,670
I love being up early.

1176
00:38:05,940 --> 00:38:07,470
I think other than getting out of bed,

1177
00:38:07,980 --> 00:38:12,540
It's finding that person that would hold you accountable for waking

1178
00:38:12,540 --> 00:38:13,890
up and not pressing snooze.

1179
00:38:16,020 --> 00:38:16,350
You know what,

1180
00:38:16,350 --> 00:38:18,600
and I think when it comes to wildlife photography,

1181
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,470
it don't think that around your house itself doesn't have wildlife

1182
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:23,250
like squirrels,

1183
00:38:23,250 --> 00:38:23,910
for example,

1184
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:26,790
chipmunks, any rodents or birds,

1185
00:38:27,210 --> 00:38:28,200
if you can lock,

1186
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,760
focus on a chipmunks.

1187
00:38:29,790 --> 00:38:32,460
I then when you go into the wildlife,

1188
00:38:32,490 --> 00:38:34,860
like into the forest and you find a moose and a,

1189
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,930
and you'll feel super confident then,

1190
00:38:38,290 --> 00:38:41,440
because if you could track a little red squirrel running around

1191
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,000
these trees or a bird,

1192
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:43,720
for example,

1193
00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:44,530
then yeah.

1194
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:45,940
Practice with all that hard,

1195
00:38:46,030 --> 00:38:46,690
smaller stuff.

1196
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:49,840
Maybe it's not as exciting as coming across a moose in

1197
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:50,230
the park,

1198
00:38:50,620 --> 00:38:53,440
but it will help you feel more confident when you get

1199
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:53,830
out there.

1200
00:38:53,890 --> 00:38:56,350
And if you have a pet what's better than doing pet

1201
00:38:56,350 --> 00:38:59,140
photography. My dog runs around our property at a hundred miles

1202
00:38:59,140 --> 00:39:01,120
an hour and I'm trying to lock,

1203
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:01,840
focus on it.

1204
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,020
And it just makes us feel so much more confident when

1205
00:39:05,020 --> 00:39:06,130
we go out into the wild.

1206
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:06,850
Right? Yeah.

1207
00:39:07,660 --> 00:39:08,710
Yeah. And I,

1208
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:09,040
you know,

1209
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,890
we all have some local parks around us that,

1210
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:12,310
I mean,

1211
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:14,290
no matter that's one of the reasons I love birds too,

1212
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,220
no matter where you are,

1213
00:39:15,220 --> 00:39:16,840
there's always birds here in the city.

1214
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,040
You're in the country.

1215
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,240
You're, you know,

1216
00:39:20,020 --> 00:39:21,460
every continent has birds.

1217
00:39:21,460 --> 00:39:22,930
Every neighborhood has birds.

1218
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,950
So you can go walk in any little natural area,

1219
00:39:27,010 --> 00:39:29,710
even a city park and find all sorts of great little

1220
00:39:29,710 --> 00:39:30,370
wildlife to practice.

1221
00:39:30,670 --> 00:39:33,820
And you learn so much from doing that by capturing something

1222
00:39:33,820 --> 00:39:35,650
new. And then you want to learn about it.

1223
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,630
Most of the stuff that we've photograph,

1224
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:40,270
we might not know something about it until we get home

1225
00:39:40,270 --> 00:39:43,210
and research that bird that we just found.

1226
00:39:43,420 --> 00:39:45,190
Right. Love it.

1227
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:46,690
Wow. That's awesome.

1228
00:39:46,990 --> 00:39:47,620
All right guys,

1229
00:39:47,620 --> 00:39:48,430
if you're out there,

1230
00:39:48,430 --> 00:39:51,970
go out and go practice some wildlife photography and let us

1231
00:39:51,970 --> 00:39:55,960
know on our Instagrams at Nicole Begley official.

1232
00:39:55,990 --> 00:40:00,880
And you should also message Jessie at follow me North and

1233
00:40:01,570 --> 00:40:04,090
yeah. Let us know what you guys are capturing out there.

1234
00:40:04,510 --> 00:40:05,380
Yeah. Jesse,

1235
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,750
thank you so much for taking the time to chat with

1236
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:09,430
us about this,

1237
00:40:10,270 --> 00:40:12,760
getting up to visit you and go see some.

1238
00:40:13,060 --> 00:40:15,100
I want to see all the things in like two hours

1239
00:40:18,670 --> 00:40:19,720
And just at sunset,

1240
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:21,400
no sunrise and you know,

1241
00:40:21,610 --> 00:40:23,620
Canadian experience wrapped into one.

1242
00:40:23,620 --> 00:40:25,850
I'll bring some Tim Horton's some coffee,

1243
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:27,760
some Tim tidbits as well.

1244
00:40:29,050 --> 00:40:29,860
We'll bring that to.

1245
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:30,760
Okay. Excellent.

1246
00:40:30,850 --> 00:40:33,130
Excellent. I have to bring the maple syrup scotch.

1247
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:33,610
Is that,

1248
00:40:33,610 --> 00:40:35,290
is that what you brought to hound vision?

1249
00:40:35,710 --> 00:40:36,280
Oh no.

1250
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,750
The maple whiskey from That was delicious and it was So

1251
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,070
good. That's for the sundowner time or maybe a little one

1252
00:40:45,070 --> 00:40:46,540
of your coffee if you need to in the morning or

1253
00:40:46,540 --> 00:40:47,410
whatever we don't judge.

1254
00:40:50,170 --> 00:40:51,190
Perfect. All right,

1255
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:51,970
Jessie, again,

1256
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:52,720
thank you so much.

1257
00:40:52,750 --> 00:40:55,240
Let everybody know again where they can find you online.

1258
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:58,600
If they want to follow along with your gorgeous wildlife photos.

1259
00:40:59,570 --> 00:41:01,270
I think the best bet is on Instagram.

1260
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,360
Follow me North is the one account and then our new

1261
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,280
account is follow me North pets.

1262
00:41:06,340 --> 00:41:07,510
So it's pretty easy to find.

1263
00:41:08,170 --> 00:41:09,850
And then on our website is again,

1264
00:41:09,850 --> 00:41:13,600
follow me North dot com and follow me North pets.com

1265
00:41:13,690 --> 00:41:14,110
as well.

1266
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,060
Perfect. Yay.

1267
00:41:16,690 --> 00:41:19,600
Well, thanks again for having this conversation and we will talk

1268
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:20,110
to you soon.

1269
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:20,920
Thank you,

1270
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,090
Nicole. See you soon.

1271
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:23,380
Bye. Bye everybody.

1272
00:41:23,380 --> 00:41:24,010
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1273
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,620
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1274
00:41:26,650 --> 00:41:29,140
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1275
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