091 - When it comes to "speaking dog," very few pet owners are fluent. And that language barrier, if you will, leads to misunderstandings and unnecessary fear on the part of our four-legged friends.
As professional pet photographers, we need to do better. Understanding canine body language and social norms means not only will your sessions go more smoothly, but your subjects will be happier and more comfortable.
This week, certified dog trainer Sherry Novato of All About Training Dogs joins me to chat about putting the pups you photograph at ease.
What To Listen For:
Once you know what to look for, you'll see intricate displays of dog body language wherever they gather and greet one another. Learn the "lingo" and you'll be that much more effective as a pet photographer!
Resources From This Episode:
JOIN THE PARTY:
091 - When it comes to "speaking dog," very few pet owners are fluent. And that language barrier, if you will, leads to misunderstandings and unnecessary fear on the part of our four-legged friends.
As professional pet photographers, we need to do better. Understanding canine body language and social norms means not only will your sessions go more smoothly, but your subjects will be happier and more comfortable.
This week, certified dog trainer Sherry Novato of All About Training Dogs joins me to chat about putting the pups you photograph at ease.
What To Listen For:
Once you know what to look for, you'll see intricate displays of dog body language wherever they gather and greet one another. Learn the "lingo" and you'll be that much more effective as a pet photographer!
Resources From This Episode:
JOIN THE PARTY:
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Welcome to the hair of the dog podcast.
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I'm Nicole Begley.
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And today we are going to be learning how to speak
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dog with certified pet dog trainer,
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sharing a TiVo from all about training dogs based in Newport
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beach, California.
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You're not going to want to miss this conversation because we're
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talking dog body language,
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how to get their attention things to look out for.
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And really it's just a must.
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Listen. If you are a photographer,
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the photographs dogs stay tuned.
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Welcome to the hair of the dog podcast.
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If you're a pet photographer,
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ready to make more money and start living a life by
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your design,
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you've come to the right place.
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And now your host,
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pet photographer,
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travel addict,
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chocolate martini connoisseur,
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Nicole Begley.
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Hey everybody,
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Nicole here from hair of the dog and I am here
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with dog trainer and my good friend,
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Sherry to TiVo from all about training dogs based down in
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Southern California,
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Sherry. Welcome to the hair of the dog podcast.
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Well thank you.
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I'm glad to be here,
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Nicole. Thanks for having me.
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Of course.
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I'm so excited to have you here before we dive into
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it. Why don't you go ahead and tell us a little
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bit about your background and how you got into dog Training.
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So I am a certified professional dog trainer,
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so I think it's important for folks to know that not
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all dog trainers are certified.
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So dog training is unregulated.
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That means anyone can say they're a dog trainer and start
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training your dog without any experience education or any ethics.
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Really. So certified dog trainers actually sign a code of ethics.
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I have two certifications.
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I signed two code of ethics.
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I have to have continuing education.
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I have to pass exams,
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all those little things that go with it years ago,
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probably a little more than 10 years ago.
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I became a dog trainer because I had a naughty dog
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and mine got me a puppy when my mom passed away
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and she was very naughty.
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And in my pursuit to change her behavior,
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I became obsessed with dog training and left my corporate job
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and became a professional dog trainer.
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I love it.
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Yeah. Diving into that whole training world is really just really,
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really fun.
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Those of you guys on the podcast might know that my
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background's in zoological animal training.
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I did that for 13 years,
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working with free flight birds and dolphins and seals and penguins
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and cats and primates and all of the things.
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And it was amazing.
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And that is all based on,
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you know,
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this training philosophies,
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operant conditioning,
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mainly positive reinforcement because you know,
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you can't really punish or negatively reinforce like a tiger to
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lay at the edge of a Cajun,
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let you take his tail and draw blood from it.
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You definitely need to work the positive reinforcement for that.
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a team aspect,
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to be able to,
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to get these animals,
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to choose,
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to work with you,
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to do these behaviors.
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So, yeah,
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I'm a huge believer in opera and conditioning,
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positive based training methods,
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because I have seen it work with my own two eyes
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and these animals are so much more invested in it.
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it's crazy because all the training philosophies work,
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but you look at animals that have been trained in a
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more negative reinforcement,
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positive punishment type situation.
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animal that has a little bit more of the choice.
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that's my public service announcement for the day.
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Everybody makes sure you are choosing the trainers that you are
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working with wisely for your dogs.
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Look for those CPDT trainers like Sherry.
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you had a really great way that kind of summed up
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focusing on behaviors.
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So we were talking before the podcast about focusing on the
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behaviors, not that you don't want,
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but the behaviors that you want.
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one of the biggest mistakes that I see dog owners make
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is they want to punish the bad behaviors and I'm saying
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bad in finger quotes,
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right? They want to punish the bad behaviors,
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but what happens is they're ignoring the good behavior.
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which means to strengthen the behavior we want,
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instead of punishing the bad,
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when you reinforce or strengthen the behavior you want,
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you see more of it.
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generally what we would do is just ignore it.
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you could redirect it.
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to, you know,
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punish it away because it just doesn't work.
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I think for your audience too,
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Nicole, what's going to be important is you have two different
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scientific theories that follow behavior right off commissioning,
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which is the sit,
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stay calm and action and classical conditioning,
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which is the emotions,
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right? Yeah.
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right? You want positive emotions from the dogs,
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not the fear based emotions you want to abstractly,
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right? The dog,
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these are your clients,
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right? The people that are hiring photographers,
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monitor, remember their dogs,
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having fun and being happy.
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at working with our animals and having these conversations with them,
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the first thing that we need to learn is body language.
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Like we need to see what they're saying to us.
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So can you maybe help some of our listeners go through
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what some of maybe the big,
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we're all pretty,
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usually fairly,
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you know,
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able to notice the tail between the legs or the ears
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back, you know?
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but what are some of the big things?
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we should keep an eye on.
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So that's a good,
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that's a great question.
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So dogs don't speak English.
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They do communicate with their body language.
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And I know that your audience probably knows a lot of
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these things,
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but once they see them or hear them,
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they're going to start to click.
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So some of the body language things would be the tail
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right down under or up,
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right? When some dogs are nervous,
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their tail goes up.
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Actually some dogs,
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their tail goes down.
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So you want to look at the tails of big one.
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Are they backing away from the photographer?
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Right? And photography is actually even more interesting because you most
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likely will point the camera at the dog.
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So is the dog backing away?
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Are they turning their head?
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Some of the bigger ones will be more obvious to your
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audience. Some of the ones that aren't more obvious,
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the subtle signs would be like tongue flicking.
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That one's really common.
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All of us have taken a photo of our dog with
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our iPhone and their tongue is out,
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right? So tongue flicking is a sign of stress.
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it might look cute,
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but if you get too much,
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you're going to have a dog that's too nervous.
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Some dogs will turn their head to the side.
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Right. They'll turn their head away.
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They don't talk eye to eye like we do.
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They don't look face to face.
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So turning their head away would be another one,
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pinning their ears back coloring,
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right. Their head lowering in between their shoulders.
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some subtle,
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some not so subtle signs that dogs will do some dogs
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when they're nervous.
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They'll lay down.
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right? Like an excessive yawning as well.
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you want to look at the context of the situation too.
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well, my dog yawns does that mean,
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you know,
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he'd be actually tired.
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The ton could be out.
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If they're photographing a dog and he's yawning and turning his
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head away and flicking his tongue,
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those are the three that's three times the dog has said,
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Hey, I'm uncomfortable.
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I'm uncomfortable.
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Hey, I'm uncomfortable.
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I'm uncomfortable,
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three times,
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you're going to listen.
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Right. You're going to listen the first time.
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what happens is their behavior is escalating.
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It's going up the ladder.
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aggression or the ladder of,
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it starts off with these little subtle steps and,
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until eventually it gets to a point where the dog's like,
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oh my gosh,
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you need to listen to me.
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I've been telling you all day long that I'm upset and
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now I'm going to snap.
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one of the other reasons I think is pet photographers,
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especially if you're,
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if you're working with anyone,
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if you're photographing a family with their dog and there's kids
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involved, and the whole situation is so stressful because the parents
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stress because dad doesn't want to be there.
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The mom had to get everything ready.
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You're at this other place,
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the kids aren't behaving,
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the dog was dragged along.
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even though the kid crawls all over the dog at home,
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the dog knows what is going on here because there's a
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lot of stressed out humans around me.
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And I don't know why they're stressed,
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but now I'm stressed.
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So I feel like whenever we are working with these animals
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in the context of a photo session,
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it's outside of their normal things.
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So we need to be really cognizant of those really early
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signs for two reasons.
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I mean,
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number one,
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the situation's more stressful,
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but also a lot of times,
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you know,
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owners that maybe aren't as educated or they haven't,
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you know,
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just for whatever reason,
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maybe they've punished any pre aggressive things in the past or
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they like dog,
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it's not allowed to grow are not allowed to do certain
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things. And they could jump from that little tiny,
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like Yon or tongue flick to just a straight bite,
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because they've never been able to really express that whole ladder.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So, so important just to,
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to really learn these small subtle signs and just to be
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the biggest advocate for it and give the dog space and
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say, okay,
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we're taking a break,
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you know,
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and, and going through and getting everybody More.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And I think breaks are real important with,
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with dogs too.
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Even when I,
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so I've done a couple of photo shoots with my dogs
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and it was always helpful just to give them a break,
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let them go outside,
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run around.
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I think the dogs will get exhausted quicker.
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They'll get tired.
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So when they're a little less energetic or stressed out,
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they'll photograph better,
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better. But yeah,
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I can imagine what the family and kids and the dog
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there. Yeah.
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That that's going to be stressful.
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That stress Escalation goes up pretty quickly.
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One of the other things that I've found,
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even when it's just me and an owner and their dogs.
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So it's a pretty low key session.
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The time that I usually see the most stress in a
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dog is,
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well, there's two spots.
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Number one,
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it could be when we first meet the dog.
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So whenever I first pull out my camera,
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you know,
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there's this big,
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giant eye on the end of my camera with that lens.
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And that can be terrifying for a dog,
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because as you were saying,
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they don't stare at each other in the face.
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So they're thinking,
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oh my gosh,
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what is this one?
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I'd think threatening me.
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This is terrifying.
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So the first thing I always do is I bring my
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camera out.
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I just kind of have it on my side,
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not pointing it to them.
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I'll let the dogs sniff it and I'll have it on
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my side and I'll just click it just to make sure,
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like, that's all good for,
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you know,
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see if there's any reaction.
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And if the dog starts to have any of those signs,
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then I realized,
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okay, I need to maybe counter condition this a little bit
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to let them know this is a good situation.
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So if you were to pull out the camera and you
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like, you know,
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just had it out and you clicked it or she turned
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it to the dog,
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you could see some of those signs.
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How do you recommend that photographers helped to get that dog
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more comfortable with the situation?
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Well, and I don't know how much time folks have the
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photographers have.
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And so I think there would be two different situations if
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they're just photographing the dog,
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cause I've seen your photos.
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Right. And there a lot of just the dog by themselves,
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what I would recommend is that you meet the dog.
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Maybe even without your camera,
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you just sit on the floor.
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And I felt first ask the owners,
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how was your dog with other people?
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So if you have a dog that's really friendly with other
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people then great,
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I still would do it because the dogs,
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dogs, behavior changes based on our environment and the context,
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if they feel threatened or nervous,
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they're going to act that way.
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But if you have a dog that,
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that is nervous with people,
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then you want to bond with that dog in like two
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minutes, right.
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They're going to be,
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you know,
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putting a big camera in their face,
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like you just mentioned.
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So what I would recommend if possible for these photographers is
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that they meet the dog without the camera.
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Maybe just sit down.
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So they're in a studio,
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maybe they sit down and the dog comes in and the
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dog comes up to them.
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I would absolutely recommend that they have treats.
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I know some folks who are like,
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oh, my dog is allergic to this or that high quality
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treats. I use real meat.
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When I train dogs,
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I use chicken and Turkey.
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I know that's probably not doable for photographers to have like
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a chicken breast in the refrigerator,
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in their studio.
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That can,
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I mean,
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yeah. It,
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yeah. We have all sorts of crazy things in my freezer
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that are frozen.
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They can just like pull out little,
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a little bit.
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Yeah. I drive around every day from home to home and
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train dogs.
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And so I have a little,
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one of those lunch bags and I have those frozen ice
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things and I'll put the ice cooler and the chicken in
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there and I go from home to home.
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Yeah. And This is a conversation that a lot of us
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have with our clients during the planning we ask,
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if there's any allergies,
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if there's somebody that their dog does have a lot of
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allergies or issue,
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I'll sometimes ask them to bring their favorite treats,
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you know?
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But, but yeah,
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that's a conversation we almost always have with everybody.
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And then it's always good to have some high value commercial
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traits like Stella Chewy's.
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I like,
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and then some low value.
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The Charlie bear.
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Sometimes what I notice is dogs get super excited about the
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food and then they won't sit still,
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Especially things like,
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I don't know,
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lab's goal not to stereotype,
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but I'm just saying the first thing I Would recommend is
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that they sit,
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even if it's on the floor,
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if it's a dog,
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that's nervous with people.
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Don't sit on the floor because you don't want that.
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Doug's head near your head.
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First of all,
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always a safety rule.
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I never kiss a dog.
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You never want to hug a dog.
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I never do that with any of my clients,
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right? You're not there for that purpose.
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And the dogs build relationships with their humans.
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You're a stranger still.
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So even just sitting in a chair,
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letting that dog come up to them is what I would
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recommend. If it's a small dog,
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they could sit on the floor.
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That's fine.
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But you do want to make sure that that dog's head
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can't get near,
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near your face.
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Just in case they get nervous.
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A nervous dog might come up to someone's face and sniff
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their breath.
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Right? So a dog's nose is 40% stronger than humans.
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They like odor humans.
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Don't like odor as much as dogs they're animals.
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So when they want to smell your breath,
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so even a nervous dog might come up to your face
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because of the odor.
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You don't want them close to your face.
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So sit in a chair,
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that's a nervous,
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big dog,
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but let them come up to you,
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right? Do you have your camera?
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This is maybe not even,
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you don't even have your camera out at this point.
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It's just you,
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It's just you.
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And then you might,
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well, while you're like,
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so let's say they come up to you.
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I would pet him underneath the chin versus over the head
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underneath the chin is a little gentler instead of your hand,
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moving straight towards their head,
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put them under the chin.
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And then if they're comfortable with that,
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then you might just click the camera.
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I don't even know that it has to be insight.
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Then maybe after you click it,
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if they have a jumped,
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then you pull it out.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I usually let them just kind of,
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I have it on my side.
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So they see that I'm holding something,
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but I'm not,
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I'm not putting the lens like directly towards their face.
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It's just,
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they're facing away holding.
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And I'm seeing if they really look at it all or,
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or if they just totally ignore it.
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And I might just move it around a little bit again,
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not putting it directly at their face.
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And then if that's still good,
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then I'll move on and I'll just click it once.
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And if that's still good,
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you know,
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maybe I'll then turn it towards them and just,
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you know,
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and it's for far enough away,
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one of the shots that owners really love is kind of
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a wide angle shot.
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So you're only photographing,
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you know,
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two feet from the dog's head,
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but you're kind of up above them.
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And that is not to tell everyone I'm like,
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that is never a beginning of the session shot because that's
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very, very scary.
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And I,
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and not all dogs can even do that because you kind
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of gauge their behavior.
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I always start my sessions usually with my long lens.
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So I'm far enough away.
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I'm, you know,
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shooting kind of directly towards on the dog's level.
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I'm not above them.
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I'm in the 7,200
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time, nice and far away.
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And they start to build that relationship and you know,
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and I make sure they get paid too.
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So when they're sitting,
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when they're being good,
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they get,
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they get paid.
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Cause we don't like to work for free nor do our
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dogs and they're going to lose their attention real fast if
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we're not reinforcing them.
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So that's kind of my,
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my workflow through that.
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And yeah,
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there's that just keeping in mind that that lens can be
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such a scary thing and any time we're bringing anything,
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our hand or that lens over their head,
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they just feel,
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Yeah. I love that.
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I would've never thought about that,
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frankly, but so when dogs and this is a really good
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dog body language piece of it,
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right? So when,
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and anyone can go on to Amazon and watch,
535
00:17:52,140 --> 00:17:53,310
I'm not Amazon,
536
00:17:53,550 --> 00:17:57,930
anyone could go onto YouTube and watch these wild animal videos
537
00:17:57,930 --> 00:18:01,980
of the cheetah catching the deer or right,
538
00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,680
right. Don't watch those now.
539
00:18:05,580 --> 00:18:06,930
Right? You can see the body language.
540
00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,250
What happens is when dogs looking eye to eye is confrontational.
541
00:18:12,030 --> 00:18:13,290
Now, if you have a friendly dog,
542
00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:14,640
they're not as worried about it.
543
00:18:14,820 --> 00:18:17,880
Moving straight towards them is confrontational.
544
00:18:18,120 --> 00:18:21,300
Right? If you have a camera that's pointing straight at them
545
00:18:21,300 --> 00:18:23,010
and you take a step towards them,
546
00:18:23,190 --> 00:18:28,470
that could absolutely stress them out when animals attack other animals,
547
00:18:28,650 --> 00:18:30,300
they jump on top.
548
00:18:30,420 --> 00:18:32,310
So standing over,
549
00:18:32,310 --> 00:18:38,910
looking down right with a long object can definitely be scary
550
00:18:38,910 --> 00:18:39,420
for dogs.
551
00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,580
The other thing I think your audience should know too,
552
00:18:41,580 --> 00:18:45,120
is dogs see like a silhouette and this,
553
00:18:45,210 --> 00:18:46,290
if you've ever had a dog,
554
00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:47,370
that's afraid of a gardener,
555
00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,480
here's why they see a human weird looking human.
556
00:18:51,870 --> 00:18:55,830
Right? I feel them with now wheels making a loud noise.
557
00:18:55,890 --> 00:18:56,970
They don't see a gardener,
558
00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:57,840
right. As humans,
559
00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,130
you and I know that's a gardener,
560
00:18:59,130 --> 00:19:00,630
he's cutting the grass.
561
00:19:01,530 --> 00:19:03,690
The dog sees this alien,
562
00:19:03,690 --> 00:19:09,480
like physio that makes loud noises that looks different than the
563
00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:10,260
other humans.
564
00:19:10,350 --> 00:19:11,670
And he's in his yard.
565
00:19:11,670 --> 00:19:12,600
He's in his space.
566
00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:13,500
Why is he here?
567
00:19:14,580 --> 00:19:15,840
So photographers,
568
00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,280
no different than that gardener.
569
00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,370
Right? Right.
570
00:19:18,510 --> 00:19:22,860
Now they have this strange human with this long thing now
571
00:19:22,860 --> 00:19:24,060
standing over them.
572
00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,570
Yeah. So that can be really scary and actually really important
573
00:19:27,570 --> 00:19:29,400
for your audience too,
574
00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,040
because they don't want to get bit by the rank.
575
00:19:32,490 --> 00:19:35,580
And so if you're standing over the dog with that camera,
576
00:19:35,580 --> 00:19:37,470
that I can only imagine this big,
577
00:19:37,470 --> 00:19:38,580
huge, long camera.
578
00:19:38,580 --> 00:19:39,990
I don't know what the technical word Is.
579
00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:40,820
Right, right.
580
00:19:41,030 --> 00:19:43,130
That's it a long lens and a wide lens,
581
00:19:43,130 --> 00:19:44,640
but it's just a big camera that,
582
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,070
that big eye over It,
583
00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,840
you might be frozen in fear as you take the shoot,
584
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,810
but then once you move away could even knit.
585
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:55,250
Right. Right.
586
00:19:55,250 --> 00:19:59,510
And I found one thing to that helps even if a
587
00:19:59,510 --> 00:20:00,860
dog's a little bit nervous,
588
00:20:00,860 --> 00:20:01,820
like they were fine,
589
00:20:01,820 --> 00:20:03,680
but I brought up the camera and the lens is a
590
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:08,000
little bit more nerve wracking is I can keep my eye
591
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,170
contact with them.
592
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:11,450
So I'm reinforcing them.
593
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:12,860
Like the cameras here,
594
00:20:12,890 --> 00:20:14,390
like you can't see me,
595
00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:16,220
but the camera's like maybe at my hip.
596
00:20:16,250 --> 00:20:18,260
And then I pull it up a little higher and I
597
00:20:18,260 --> 00:20:18,770
click it.
598
00:20:19,010 --> 00:20:19,730
I give them a treat.
599
00:20:19,790 --> 00:20:20,540
I click my camera,
600
00:20:20,540 --> 00:20:22,130
I give them the treat and I'm moving it up higher
601
00:20:22,130 --> 00:20:24,770
and higher moving it like next to my face.
602
00:20:24,890 --> 00:20:26,000
Not looking through it yet.
603
00:20:26,030 --> 00:20:26,870
It's just there.
604
00:20:27,140 --> 00:20:28,880
And then may I be put it like under my chin,
605
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,220
I'm still keeping their eyes contact with my eyes.
606
00:20:31,220 --> 00:20:33,530
Like, so they're still interacting with me and it's just kind
607
00:20:33,530 --> 00:20:33,950
of moving.
608
00:20:33,950 --> 00:20:35,630
And then maybe I cover my eye for a second.
609
00:20:35,630 --> 00:20:36,680
I click and give them a treat.
610
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:37,640
And I bring it back down.
611
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,400
I've found that has really helped a lot of dogs to
612
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,160
stay engaged and avoid the,
613
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:44,540
the turn away.
614
00:20:44,780 --> 00:20:45,650
Like, oh my God.
615
00:20:45,710 --> 00:20:45,980
You know,
616
00:20:45,980 --> 00:20:50,350
like I want to kind leave the situation because they're still
617
00:20:50,350 --> 00:20:53,380
kind of interacting with me and I'm very quickly kind of
618
00:20:53,380 --> 00:20:53,800
training them.
619
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:54,850
Just ignore this thing.
620
00:20:55,090 --> 00:20:55,690
That's right here.
621
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:56,470
Just me and you.
622
00:20:56,620 --> 00:20:58,360
And that seems to help a bit too.
623
00:20:58,830 --> 00:21:00,390
Yeah. I love that.
624
00:21:00,390 --> 00:21:03,600
And even if like you stood all the way up and
625
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,170
just did a yes and then fed them and then fed
626
00:21:07,180 --> 00:21:09,330
them and then like maybe the third time you go click,
627
00:21:09,330 --> 00:21:09,840
click, click.
628
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:11,370
Yes. Yeah.
629
00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:12,170
Right, right.
630
00:21:12,180 --> 00:21:15,120
So then they've they've they can now predict,
631
00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:16,320
right. You're going to stand up.
632
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:17,280
You'd they get the food,
633
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:18,450
you're going to stand over them.
634
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:19,350
They get the food.
635
00:21:19,410 --> 00:21:20,550
You're going to stand over them.
636
00:21:20,580 --> 00:21:21,480
You take the shot.
637
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,490
Yeah. And you get the food.
638
00:21:23,670 --> 00:21:25,170
Yep. So then that might relapse,
639
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,490
but I love your process.
640
00:21:26,490 --> 00:21:28,230
That's that's fabulous.
641
00:21:28,530 --> 00:21:33,210
Another thing with nervous dogs is you want to turn away
642
00:21:33,210 --> 00:21:33,690
from them.
643
00:21:33,690 --> 00:21:34,980
So if one of,
644
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,200
if one of your photographers is are,
645
00:21:37,380 --> 00:21:39,420
if your audience is filming a nervous dog,
646
00:21:39,450 --> 00:21:41,730
when they greet them for the first time,
647
00:21:41,970 --> 00:21:43,020
turn to the side.
648
00:21:43,170 --> 00:21:45,120
Yeah. And don't look directly at them,
649
00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:46,680
just kind of look down and well,
650
00:21:46,770 --> 00:21:47,580
Yeah. Aside a little bit,
651
00:21:47,610 --> 00:21:49,230
you can look at them and look away.
652
00:21:49,470 --> 00:21:51,000
The other thing you could do too,
653
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,560
is blink a lot.
654
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,090
No. Right?
655
00:21:54,090 --> 00:21:56,400
So when you have a nervous dog or even maybe a
656
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,380
dog that isn't nervous,
657
00:21:58,380 --> 00:22:01,020
but then gets nervous in this situation,
658
00:22:01,380 --> 00:22:04,650
blink your eyes and turn your head to the side,
659
00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:05,820
blank, blank,
660
00:22:05,820 --> 00:22:07,920
blank. Turn to the side,
661
00:22:08,340 --> 00:22:09,300
blank, blank.
662
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,000
Sometimes I look down and I'll,
663
00:22:12,030 --> 00:22:12,480
you know,
664
00:22:12,810 --> 00:22:14,400
look, my eyes I'll look at them,
665
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,880
but my head will be down because that direct eye contact,
666
00:22:17,940 --> 00:22:19,920
again, animals are gonna attack other animals.
667
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:20,790
They stare,
668
00:22:21,460 --> 00:22:22,530
it gets you right.
669
00:22:22,530 --> 00:22:23,320
Because they're moving.
670
00:22:25,620 --> 00:22:26,730
Right. That's how we talk to each other.
671
00:22:26,730 --> 00:22:27,600
We look each other in the eye.
672
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:28,680
It's rude for me.
673
00:22:28,740 --> 00:22:31,440
Even in this fight right here.
674
00:22:31,470 --> 00:22:32,010
Hi Nicole.
675
00:22:34,980 --> 00:22:36,000
But for a dog number,
676
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:36,780
they're not humans.
677
00:22:36,780 --> 00:22:38,010
They don't communicate like this.
678
00:22:38,010 --> 00:22:43,080
So even if they blink a little bit and then breathe,
679
00:22:43,890 --> 00:22:46,950
right. I see a lot of terrified dogs.
680
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:49,110
I have to walk into a home or I know a
681
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:53,820
dog has already bitten people and I might get bit not.
682
00:22:53,820 --> 00:22:55,650
You're not like your folks are going to get that,
683
00:22:55,890 --> 00:22:59,370
but you want to breathe as humans,
684
00:22:59,370 --> 00:23:00,990
we hold our breath.
685
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,230
We don't even realize we're doing right.
686
00:23:04,260 --> 00:23:05,010
Right. And then we go,
687
00:23:05,010 --> 00:23:05,430
all of a sudden,
688
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:05,640
we go,
689
00:23:05,700 --> 00:23:10,770
oh right.
690
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,710
So you just breathe because when you breathe,
691
00:23:13,740 --> 00:23:15,180
you relax.
692
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:15,720
Right. You,
693
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,160
you even like your back,
694
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:19,920
you might be sitting up straight.
695
00:23:19,950 --> 00:23:20,250
Oh my God.
696
00:23:20,250 --> 00:23:21,210
I'm so stiff.
697
00:23:21,330 --> 00:23:27,060
So just remind yourself to breathe because your dogs notice when
698
00:23:27,060 --> 00:23:28,470
you're holding your breath,
699
00:23:29,070 --> 00:23:30,060
they can hear it.
700
00:23:30,330 --> 00:23:31,440
If, if any of,
701
00:23:31,500 --> 00:23:33,510
if any of your audience has dogs,
702
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:36,540
right. They probably wake up when you wake up in the
703
00:23:36,540 --> 00:23:37,080
morning, you're like,
704
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,730
how is my dog already know I'm awake.
705
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:39,780
Oh, right,
706
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:40,530
right. How does,
707
00:23:40,770 --> 00:23:42,600
how does my dog know I'm awake?
708
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,340
I haven't even opened my eyes.
709
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:46,190
Do they know?
710
00:23:46,370 --> 00:23:47,150
Here's how they know?
711
00:23:47,390 --> 00:23:50,090
And I had a dog that would literally start patrolling my
712
00:23:50,090 --> 00:23:51,620
bed in a circle,
713
00:23:51,620 --> 00:23:53,450
waiting to go potty and then eat.
714
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:53,990
And I'm like,
715
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:54,830
how does she even know?
716
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:56,810
I haven't even opened my eyes.
717
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,360
Right. Because when we breathe,
718
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:01,130
when we,
719
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,000
when we're sleeping,
720
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:02,600
we breathe heavy.
721
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,330
Or I don't know something running pattern changes.
722
00:24:08,330 --> 00:24:08,810
For sure.
723
00:24:09,260 --> 00:24:13,790
Yeah. So they noticed that and they notice when we're holding
724
00:24:13,790 --> 00:24:16,490
our breath and then they get nervous because we're holding our
725
00:24:16,490 --> 00:24:17,430
breath. Why are they holding?
726
00:24:17,540 --> 00:24:18,410
Right, Right,
727
00:24:18,410 --> 00:24:19,450
right. Yup.
728
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,400
That just made me think of a lot of people always
729
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:21,970
have, you know,
730
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,940
we're try to figure out different ways to get attention from
731
00:24:25,090 --> 00:24:25,960
dogs. And,
732
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:26,350
you know,
733
00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:30,220
I have a plethora of random noises and different hunting calls
734
00:24:30,220 --> 00:24:32,470
and things that are just like novel and new.
735
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,360
The, one of the ones that always works too,
736
00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:35,560
is like,
737
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,420
if you kind of take a deep breath like that,
738
00:24:37,420 --> 00:24:37,720
they're like,
739
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:38,250
oh, like,
740
00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:38,920
oh wait,
741
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,630
that means something exciting is happening,
742
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:41,390
happening in the,
743
00:24:41,390 --> 00:24:41,590
you know,
744
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:43,210
what's that.
745
00:24:43,420 --> 00:24:44,920
Yeah. So we do that one a lot.
746
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:48,370
Somebody did have a question too about deaf and blind dogs
747
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:49,720
trying to get their attention,
748
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,950
which I know for me comes down to getting some stinky
749
00:24:53,950 --> 00:24:56,050
treats because they still have that sense of smell.
750
00:24:56,530 --> 00:25:00,280
But I didn't know if you had any other suggestions for
751
00:25:00,460 --> 00:25:03,040
working with dogs that maybe can't see or hear so well,
752
00:25:03,610 --> 00:25:05,050
Well, I love the stinky treats.
753
00:25:05,050 --> 00:25:06,070
That's fabulous.
754
00:25:06,460 --> 00:25:06,790
I think.
755
00:25:06,790 --> 00:25:07,210
Yeah. Yeah.
756
00:25:07,270 --> 00:25:10,330
Or even just making sure they're still comfortable because,
757
00:25:10,330 --> 00:25:10,600
you know,
758
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,060
I don't know if their other senses are on either.
759
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:13,600
I mean,
760
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,370
they would probably generally be older,
761
00:25:15,370 --> 00:25:16,690
so probably pretty mellow,
762
00:25:16,750 --> 00:25:17,710
but you know,
763
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:19,870
without them being able to see and hear,
764
00:25:19,870 --> 00:25:21,340
I don't know if they tend to be a little bit
765
00:25:21,340 --> 00:25:23,140
more nervous because they have less,
766
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,840
less input from their environment or,
767
00:25:25,900 --> 00:25:26,170
you know,
768
00:25:26,170 --> 00:25:27,040
if you have any suggestions.
769
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:28,180
Yeah. Well,
770
00:25:28,180 --> 00:25:30,490
I think it depends too on if they're filming them in
771
00:25:30,490 --> 00:25:32,770
the street or if they're photographing them in the studio or
772
00:25:32,770 --> 00:25:35,860
outside, so a blind appropriately,
773
00:25:35,860 --> 00:25:38,020
isn't going to move as well.
774
00:25:38,140 --> 00:25:39,650
So if it's like an outside shot,
775
00:25:39,660 --> 00:25:40,930
we want the dog walking,
776
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,570
you might walk him back and forth in the same pattern,
777
00:25:43,570 --> 00:25:47,140
but for blind Doug's I would use audio.
778
00:25:47,260 --> 00:25:49,150
Right. Some kind of like your audio,
779
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,250
like a high pitch noise or,
780
00:25:51,970 --> 00:25:53,470
or like a squeaky toy.
781
00:25:53,650 --> 00:25:56,650
Yep. And then I would use like a food lure.
782
00:25:56,650 --> 00:26:01,450
So sometimes blind dogs still can't even find where the sound
783
00:26:01,450 --> 00:26:02,350
is coming from.
784
00:26:03,130 --> 00:26:05,890
So you might just put the food on their nose.
785
00:26:06,100 --> 00:26:08,650
Right. And then pull it straight back towards the camera.
786
00:26:08,650 --> 00:26:10,090
And then the picture,
787
00:26:10,090 --> 00:26:11,920
if you want their face,
788
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:17,070
like the front looking at you and then deaf dogs is
789
00:26:17,070 --> 00:26:18,190
sometimes with training.
790
00:26:18,190 --> 00:26:19,330
We'll train them with a light.
791
00:26:19,870 --> 00:26:22,000
No. So with a dog that's deaf,
792
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,730
you might use like those old fashioned,
793
00:26:24,940 --> 00:26:25,210
I don't know.
794
00:26:25,210 --> 00:26:26,980
Are they old fashioned back in the day,
795
00:26:26,980 --> 00:26:29,470
you would put these little flashlights on your key chain,
796
00:26:30,220 --> 00:26:31,260
right? Yeah.
797
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,100
Like a little led kind of thing.
798
00:26:33,910 --> 00:26:36,370
Like one of those before you had your phone all the
799
00:26:36,370 --> 00:26:38,620
Time in your pocket and had a flashlight on that.
800
00:26:41,770 --> 00:26:42,390
I remember,
801
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:45,810
I remember had these little tiny flashlights.
802
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,790
They weren't like a normal flashlight,
803
00:26:47,790 --> 00:26:48,420
but they were,
804
00:26:48,420 --> 00:26:51,180
they just had a little bolt and that little bulb would
805
00:26:51,180 --> 00:26:53,910
flicker. So when I say flashlight or a light,
806
00:26:53,910 --> 00:26:54,420
that's kind of,
807
00:26:54,420 --> 00:26:55,200
what I mean is,
808
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,710
is a tiny bulb that will flicker that a deaf dog,
809
00:26:58,980 --> 00:26:59,190
you know,
810
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:59,790
you can't,
811
00:26:59,910 --> 00:27:00,810
you could say whatever you want,
812
00:27:00,810 --> 00:27:01,440
they can't hear,
813
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,000
but they might follow that light.
814
00:27:03,410 --> 00:27:04,070
Yeah. Well,
815
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:04,820
that's a good idea.
816
00:27:05,060 --> 00:27:05,780
And generally,
817
00:27:05,780 --> 00:27:08,420
yeah, I was going to say generally the blind and deaf
818
00:27:08,420 --> 00:27:11,810
dogs, I come across tend to be older dogs that,
819
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:12,290
you know,
820
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,420
that those senses are failing for them,
821
00:27:14,420 --> 00:27:15,860
but a young dog.
822
00:27:15,890 --> 00:27:18,380
Cause sometimes there's dogs that just have a deafness,
823
00:27:18,380 --> 00:27:21,230
but they're young and healthy so they can still see really
824
00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:22,970
well. And those owners,
825
00:27:22,970 --> 00:27:23,360
I think,
826
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:26,360
tend to often have some other way to communicate with their
827
00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:27,290
dog, usually.
828
00:27:27,290 --> 00:27:30,800
So talking with the owner and finding out if they're trained
829
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,330
to any other aspects would be a great solution.
830
00:27:33,710 --> 00:27:35,750
Yeah. Especially in the deaf dogs,
831
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:36,230
I've trained,
832
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:39,320
we'll use like a thumbs up as like a marker,
833
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,460
like a yes.
834
00:27:40,610 --> 00:27:42,470
Yep. Or the light will be,
835
00:27:42,650 --> 00:27:43,340
that's a good idea.
836
00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:47,420
So see if they have a cue that is like a
837
00:27:47,420 --> 00:27:49,040
marker. Like they did something correct.
838
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,300
Like we would use the clicker.
839
00:27:50,510 --> 00:27:50,960
Yeah, yeah,
840
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:52,490
Yeah. That's great.
841
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,190
That's something you could probably ask all your clients too,
842
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:58,370
before we photograph them is how their dog was trained.
843
00:27:58,370 --> 00:28:00,980
And if they have any sort of marker or if they're
844
00:28:00,980 --> 00:28:02,990
trained to clicker or a good,
845
00:28:03,020 --> 00:28:03,200
I mean,
846
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,490
my is trained to good.
847
00:28:04,580 --> 00:28:05,000
So yeah.
848
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,330
So you have something that you can then release them.
849
00:28:08,330 --> 00:28:10,700
Like you take the shot they're sitting and then you give
850
00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:11,470
them that clicker.
851
00:28:11,490 --> 00:28:12,380
You give them that good.
852
00:28:12,380 --> 00:28:13,160
So they know like,
853
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:13,730
oh, all right,
854
00:28:13,730 --> 00:28:16,120
great. And then reinforce them so they know what they did.
855
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:16,970
Yeah. Yeah.
856
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,740
So that would help a lot with,
857
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,030
with a deaf dog.
858
00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:21,590
Yeah. Awesome.
859
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,840
Awesome. I know we had started to talk a little bit
860
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,120
too about studio versus on location.
861
00:28:26,180 --> 00:28:29,390
And my audience is a little bit split with both.
862
00:28:29,390 --> 00:28:32,150
We have people that do both and some people that focus
863
00:28:32,150 --> 00:28:33,140
on one or the other.
864
00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:37,520
And I know from my experience shooting in studio,
865
00:28:37,910 --> 00:28:41,510
some of the most challenging pieces of that,
866
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,910
well actually going back to the blind and deaf dog too,
867
00:28:43,910 --> 00:28:45,110
like if you're going to their home,
868
00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:47,150
the dog's probably going to be pretty comfortable because they know
869
00:28:47,150 --> 00:28:47,840
where they are.
870
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,300
But if you're going to bring that same dog into your
871
00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:54,020
studio, they're probably going to be pretty apprehensive because they're in
872
00:28:54,020 --> 00:28:54,980
a new environment,
873
00:28:54,980 --> 00:28:57,710
there's new input and senses everywhere,
874
00:28:57,710 --> 00:28:59,930
sensory things that they can't necessarily,
875
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:00,380
you know,
876
00:29:00,770 --> 00:29:04,280
they still can feel weird paper that they're walking on or
877
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,420
a different floor,
878
00:29:05,420 --> 00:29:06,830
or they don't know where they are.
879
00:29:06,830 --> 00:29:08,540
So I imagine they're a little bit more,
880
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:10,910
more nervous in that aspect.
881
00:29:10,970 --> 00:29:12,020
But anyway,
882
00:29:12,020 --> 00:29:12,950
sorry, tangent.
883
00:29:13,250 --> 00:29:15,320
I was going to say in the studio,
884
00:29:15,410 --> 00:29:19,490
I have most dogs can come around pretty quickly,
885
00:29:19,490 --> 00:29:25,250
but there is definitely more kind of precession conditioning training that
886
00:29:25,250 --> 00:29:28,430
needs to happen to get dogs comfortable in a studio space.
887
00:29:28,460 --> 00:29:30,980
Then I have found having to work with dogs on location
888
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,580
and taking the time if you're a studio shooter to bring
889
00:29:34,580 --> 00:29:36,500
the dogs in for maybe a consultation.
890
00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:38,600
So they get to the space one time.
891
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:39,440
Oh my gosh,
892
00:29:39,500 --> 00:29:41,860
I think is worth its weight in gold.
893
00:29:42,220 --> 00:29:43,690
And then you can kind of see,
894
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,070
okay, it's a stock.
895
00:29:45,070 --> 00:29:45,970
Okay. With the floor.
896
00:29:45,970 --> 00:29:46,780
Cause some were,
897
00:29:46,780 --> 00:29:51,460
some were like terrified of the floor Or the paper.
898
00:29:51,550 --> 00:29:51,850
Oh no,
899
00:29:51,850 --> 00:29:53,020
the Paper floor.
900
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,580
Or like whatever my photographic backdrop was because it was making
901
00:29:57,580 --> 00:29:59,950
noise or if they got too close and their tail hit
902
00:29:59,950 --> 00:30:00,910
it and it was paper,
903
00:30:00,910 --> 00:30:03,200
it would make like a big booming sound.
904
00:30:03,250 --> 00:30:03,670
They'd be like,
905
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:04,810
oh my God,
906
00:30:04,810 --> 00:30:06,550
this place is terrifying.
907
00:30:06,730 --> 00:30:07,150
So yeah.
908
00:30:07,180 --> 00:30:11,860
So lots of random tricks there of being able to have
909
00:30:11,860 --> 00:30:13,330
some furniture for them to get on.
910
00:30:13,330 --> 00:30:16,630
So they are more comfortable and we'll stay sometimes I'll shoot
911
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:17,470
them with a,
912
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,570
like, have a show lead or their leash on.
913
00:30:19,570 --> 00:30:21,640
So they kind of noticed stay a little bit more,
914
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:22,270
especially a dog.
915
00:30:22,270 --> 00:30:23,860
Maybe that doesn't have a really good state.
916
00:30:23,860 --> 00:30:25,600
It'll keep them away from that background.
917
00:30:25,630 --> 00:30:27,400
So we don't accidentally scare them.
918
00:30:27,550 --> 00:30:27,940
But yeah.
919
00:30:27,940 --> 00:30:28,780
So studio,
920
00:30:28,780 --> 00:30:31,570
I think is definitely a little bit more challenging.
921
00:30:32,410 --> 00:30:32,890
What were,
922
00:30:32,900 --> 00:30:35,110
how are your dogs when you took them to The studio?
923
00:30:35,430 --> 00:30:36,180
Well, I think,
924
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,330
yeah. And if folks could go to the studio first with
925
00:30:39,330 --> 00:30:41,460
their dogs before they do the photo shoot,
926
00:30:41,460 --> 00:30:43,950
I think that would really help the dogs things in a
927
00:30:43,950 --> 00:30:46,380
studio. So when their dogs are in a new environment,
928
00:30:46,980 --> 00:30:49,680
hogs, when they're nervous and I'll share my experience in a
929
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,380
minute, it'll come into play some dogs when they're nervous,
930
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:53,370
they rev up,
931
00:30:53,490 --> 00:30:57,240
they get hyper other dogs when they're nervous or they have
932
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:57,990
to pee a lot.
933
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:58,710
For example,
934
00:30:59,100 --> 00:30:59,730
other dogs,
935
00:30:59,730 --> 00:31:00,660
when they're nervous,
936
00:31:00,750 --> 00:31:01,800
rev down,
937
00:31:02,490 --> 00:31:03,240
right? They,
938
00:31:03,380 --> 00:31:07,170
they might not pee at all or they might move slower.
939
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:09,540
So the,
940
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:12,780
I think the first thing that I would recommend if possible
941
00:31:12,780 --> 00:31:14,310
is with an in-studio,
942
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:16,770
I would bring the dogs to the studio first and it
943
00:31:16,770 --> 00:31:19,290
might even be where they make a play date out of
944
00:31:19,290 --> 00:31:23,730
it where the dog comes in and you're just feeding the
945
00:31:23,730 --> 00:31:25,830
dog, all the treats,
946
00:31:25,890 --> 00:31:27,270
they get to see the equipment.
947
00:31:27,270 --> 00:31:30,690
Maybe there's old papers because I know some of the papers
948
00:31:30,690 --> 00:31:32,970
are, are white and you don't want them to get dirty.
949
00:31:33,270 --> 00:31:36,120
Maybe you just have an old paper that you reuse that
950
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,060
the dogs could walk on and you drop treats on it
951
00:31:39,090 --> 00:31:41,220
and let the dog walk on it and eat it.
952
00:31:41,490 --> 00:31:44,940
It's a socialization exercise we do for puppies with wrapping paper,
953
00:31:44,970 --> 00:31:48,030
they get to step on the wrapping paper and then they
954
00:31:48,030 --> 00:31:50,190
get to look around at the studio.
955
00:31:50,490 --> 00:31:54,900
Even the umbrellas with the lights that flash umbrellas could be
956
00:31:54,900 --> 00:31:58,440
scary to some dogs I'm in Southern California.
957
00:31:58,770 --> 00:32:04,290
No one knows what an umbrella and because the umbrella is
958
00:32:04,290 --> 00:32:05,910
hanging up too,
959
00:32:05,910 --> 00:32:09,660
you don't want them to run into that stand or their
960
00:32:09,660 --> 00:32:10,560
tail to hit it.
961
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,130
So just letting the dogs kind of sniff around in the
962
00:32:14,130 --> 00:32:16,080
studio, I would keep them on leash.
963
00:32:16,620 --> 00:32:19,620
What happened with me is I took my two Italian greyhounds
964
00:32:19,890 --> 00:32:21,540
and the photographer was like,
965
00:32:21,570 --> 00:32:23,610
oh, just let them off leash and let them check it
966
00:32:23,610 --> 00:32:24,720
out. Well,
967
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,640
they were running around in circles.
968
00:32:26,700 --> 00:32:27,000
I mean,
969
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,080
they just thought it was,
970
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,910
they were so amped up.
971
00:32:30,930 --> 00:32:32,190
She had couches in there,
972
00:32:32,190 --> 00:32:33,480
they were jumping on the couches.
973
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,650
They were barking at things.
974
00:32:34,770 --> 00:32:36,600
She had these fuzzy boas,
975
00:32:36,660 --> 00:32:39,000
they took them out and they thought they were toys,
976
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:39,620
you know?
977
00:32:39,620 --> 00:32:40,850
So, and then there were two of them.
978
00:32:40,850 --> 00:32:44,780
So we're like chasing them around now trying to let them
979
00:32:44,780 --> 00:32:45,520
get comfortable.
980
00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:49,910
So that was,
981
00:32:49,910 --> 00:32:50,270
you know,
982
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:50,840
then I was like,
983
00:32:50,930 --> 00:32:51,380
oh no,
984
00:32:51,620 --> 00:32:53,450
I don't want Robbie to lift his leg on one of
985
00:32:53,450 --> 00:32:53,960
those papers.
986
00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:56,380
So I would keep them on the leash.
987
00:32:56,660 --> 00:32:58,520
I don't think there's a reason for them to be off
988
00:32:58,770 --> 00:33:01,640
running around in the studio necessarily.
989
00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:03,140
Yeah. I mean,
990
00:33:03,140 --> 00:33:04,310
that's a photographer.
991
00:33:06,130 --> 00:33:06,580
Yeah, no,
992
00:33:06,580 --> 00:33:08,650
that would probably be a good and have them come in.
993
00:33:08,650 --> 00:33:09,790
And if it's a dog,
994
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:10,690
I don't know,
995
00:33:10,690 --> 00:33:13,930
like a dog that comes in and it's like an older,
996
00:33:13,930 --> 00:33:14,290
I don't know,
997
00:33:14,290 --> 00:33:18,040
golden or lab or somebody that's like totally chill and whatever.
998
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:18,460
And you're like,
999
00:33:18,460 --> 00:33:20,890
okay, we walk around a little bit and take them off
1000
00:33:20,890 --> 00:33:23,350
leash. And then they're just kind of popped out on the
1001
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:23,950
floor, like,
1002
00:33:23,980 --> 00:33:24,280
all right.
1003
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:24,910
Pet my belly.
1004
00:33:25,510 --> 00:33:28,210
Yeah. So case by case situation.
1005
00:33:28,270 --> 00:33:29,440
Totally case by case.
1006
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:30,280
Yeah, yeah,
1007
00:33:30,430 --> 00:33:31,240
yeah. Yeah.
1008
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,470
So studios,
1009
00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:34,300
that's a great suggestion to,
1010
00:33:34,660 --> 00:33:35,260
to do that.
1011
00:33:35,260 --> 00:33:37,060
And the other nice thing about that too,
1012
00:33:37,060 --> 00:33:39,910
if you're breaking that up where they're coming in and you're
1013
00:33:39,910 --> 00:33:42,160
just making that situation,
1014
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,650
just you come in here and I am the treat lady,
1015
00:33:44,650 --> 00:33:46,060
and this is amazing.
1016
00:33:46,210 --> 00:33:47,740
It's hard to do that,
1017
00:33:47,740 --> 00:33:49,540
to that extent right before the session,
1018
00:33:49,540 --> 00:33:52,330
because then they hit satiation there they're full.
1019
00:33:52,330 --> 00:33:52,720
And they're like,
1020
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,850
well, I don't really care about the treats anymore.
1021
00:33:54,910 --> 00:33:57,760
So if you're able to kind of have that first session,
1022
00:33:57,970 --> 00:33:58,360
you know,
1023
00:33:58,390 --> 00:34:00,130
all these dogs learn through repetition.
1024
00:34:00,130 --> 00:34:01,210
They have that first session.
1025
00:34:01,210 --> 00:34:01,710
They come in,
1026
00:34:01,730 --> 00:34:03,130
they had that good experience.
1027
00:34:03,340 --> 00:34:03,940
They go home,
1028
00:34:03,940 --> 00:34:05,380
they come back and they remember,
1029
00:34:05,410 --> 00:34:05,830
oh my gosh,
1030
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:06,670
I remember this place.
1031
00:34:06,670 --> 00:34:07,540
It was super fun.
1032
00:34:08,110 --> 00:34:09,940
Yeah. And dogs form emotions.
1033
00:34:09,940 --> 00:34:12,730
Right. And they form emotions with places and people.
1034
00:34:12,730 --> 00:34:14,800
So if you bring them in there and they,
1035
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,360
it doesn't have to be a lot of food,
1036
00:34:16,390 --> 00:34:19,300
frankly, but they eat something really yummy.
1037
00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:19,450
I mean,
1038
00:34:19,450 --> 00:34:22,870
the quality of the food is more important than the quantity,
1039
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,190
like a real chicken or a most jobs go crazy over
1040
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:27,940
Stella Chewy's,
1041
00:34:27,940 --> 00:34:30,850
which is a commercial dehydrated food.
1042
00:34:32,380 --> 00:34:33,190
So then there'll be like,
1043
00:34:33,220 --> 00:34:35,350
oh, this is a fun place instead of,
1044
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,270
oh, this is a scary place.
1045
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:38,680
Or this is the vet,
1046
00:34:40,180 --> 00:34:43,180
right. It's smells like dogs.
1047
00:34:43,210 --> 00:34:45,820
There is the vet.
1048
00:34:45,820 --> 00:34:47,710
And then you're not going to get good photos.
1049
00:34:47,740 --> 00:34:49,330
If the dog is nervous.
1050
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:50,860
Another thing I want to bring up,
1051
00:34:50,860 --> 00:34:52,360
which is dog body language,
1052
00:34:52,750 --> 00:34:54,070
which is something that,
1053
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,680
that is commonly misunderstood.
1054
00:34:57,490 --> 00:34:59,080
When a dog is really worried,
1055
00:34:59,080 --> 00:34:59,890
they won't eat.
1056
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,730
So a lot of times I hear people say,
1057
00:35:03,730 --> 00:35:05,500
well, my dog is a food motivated.
1058
00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:05,890
I can't,
1059
00:35:06,220 --> 00:35:07,600
I can't use tree trainings.
1060
00:35:07,660 --> 00:35:07,990
I use,
1061
00:35:08,050 --> 00:35:08,590
I call it food.
1062
00:35:08,590 --> 00:35:09,220
I never called trees.
1063
00:35:09,220 --> 00:35:09,730
But yeah,
1064
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:12,730
they think my dog has isn't food motivated.
1065
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:13,470
I can't use,
1066
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:14,530
that's not going to work for him.
1067
00:35:14,650 --> 00:35:16,030
Well, that's a myth.
1068
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,840
All dogs are food motivated or they would die of starvation.
1069
00:35:21,070 --> 00:35:23,500
In what context will they eat?
1070
00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:24,730
And won't they eat.
1071
00:35:25,210 --> 00:35:27,670
Right. And what food will they eat?
1072
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:28,600
And won't they eat?
1073
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:33,490
So there is something called overshadowing where the fear overshadows the
1074
00:35:33,490 --> 00:35:35,290
food. So let's say,
1075
00:35:35,290 --> 00:35:35,950
for example,
1076
00:35:35,950 --> 00:35:39,030
Nicole, you had to give your daughter some medicine and it
1077
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:40,050
tastes yucky.
1078
00:35:41,010 --> 00:35:41,550
And you said,
1079
00:35:41,550 --> 00:35:43,470
okay, I'll give you this a lollipop.
1080
00:35:43,620 --> 00:35:44,820
You gave her the lollipop.
1081
00:35:44,850 --> 00:35:46,260
And then you gave her the medicine.
1082
00:35:46,410 --> 00:35:46,950
And then she's like,
1083
00:35:46,980 --> 00:35:49,560
I don't want the lollipop now because it reminds me of
1084
00:35:49,590 --> 00:35:50,700
the medicine.
1085
00:35:50,850 --> 00:35:56,130
No. Then the lollipop has overshadowed the fear,
1086
00:35:56,220 --> 00:35:58,680
right. Gulping down that yucky medicine.
1087
00:35:58,830 --> 00:36:00,960
Yeah. So you always want to make sure that you have
1088
00:36:00,990 --> 00:36:04,860
really good food that you use first with the dogs.
1089
00:36:04,860 --> 00:36:06,150
And if they don't eat,
1090
00:36:06,180 --> 00:36:09,780
let's say they stopped taking food during your photo shoot.
1091
00:36:10,050 --> 00:36:11,130
I would give them a break.
1092
00:36:11,730 --> 00:36:13,140
Let them go outside,
1093
00:36:13,140 --> 00:36:15,840
walk around and come back in and start over.
1094
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:16,430
Yeah, yeah.
1095
00:36:16,490 --> 00:36:19,040
Yeah. Funny story of my training.
1096
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:19,550
My daughter,
1097
00:36:19,550 --> 00:36:20,690
when she was three,
1098
00:36:20,690 --> 00:36:21,710
she had pink eye.
1099
00:36:21,710 --> 00:36:23,960
And so we had to do these drops like three times
1100
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,700
a day and she was not having it.
1101
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:26,150
And I'm like,
1102
00:36:26,210 --> 00:36:28,040
well, there's no way for seven days.
1103
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:28,640
However long was,
1104
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,380
I'm going to hold you down three times a day.
1105
00:36:30,410 --> 00:36:32,090
So I literally trained her for cookies.
1106
00:36:33,290 --> 00:36:34,370
And I like,
1107
00:36:34,370 --> 00:36:36,410
after, after like the second day,
1108
00:36:36,410 --> 00:36:36,830
she's like,
1109
00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:38,000
okay, lays on the couch.
1110
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:38,240
She's like,
1111
00:36:38,330 --> 00:36:39,590
Boom, here's your cookie.
1112
00:36:40,580 --> 00:36:41,150
It works.
1113
00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:43,460
Right. It's like approximate of it.
1114
00:36:43,470 --> 00:36:43,760
I'm like,
1115
00:36:43,790 --> 00:36:44,060
all right,
1116
00:36:44,060 --> 00:36:46,130
the drop is going to be on your cheek and now
1117
00:36:46,130 --> 00:36:46,970
it's going to be here.
1118
00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:48,630
And then like on your nose or whatever.
1119
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:49,670
And it like rolls into your thing.
1120
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:51,140
Just open your eyes and get your cookie.
1121
00:36:53,010 --> 00:36:55,670
Yes. For everyone.
1122
00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:57,080
Yes. Yeah.
1123
00:36:57,110 --> 00:36:58,790
Any of you guys out there that are like,
1124
00:36:58,940 --> 00:36:59,570
oh man,
1125
00:36:59,570 --> 00:37:02,780
I could really do some of this training on my spouse
1126
00:37:02,780 --> 00:37:04,760
or my kids or your dog,
1127
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:07,550
but any human to Karen priors don't shoot.
1128
00:37:07,550 --> 00:37:09,830
The dog was like the first training book that I read
1129
00:37:09,830 --> 00:37:10,580
that is just like,
1130
00:37:10,580 --> 00:37:12,980
it is so easy to read and it breaks it down
1131
00:37:12,980 --> 00:37:14,000
so easily.
1132
00:37:14,090 --> 00:37:14,420
But yeah,
1133
00:37:14,510 --> 00:37:18,620
all this positive reinforcement stuff works really well with the humans
1134
00:37:18,650 --> 00:37:19,790
that you live with as well,
1135
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:23,030
man. I said it sure does.
1136
00:37:23,780 --> 00:37:25,490
Absolutely for sure.
1137
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:26,120
Oh my gosh.
1138
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,740
This has been such a good conversation,
1139
00:37:27,740 --> 00:37:28,430
Sherry. I really,
1140
00:37:28,430 --> 00:37:31,640
really appreciate you taking the time and help give lots of
1141
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,790
suggestions for people to have a more,
1142
00:37:34,970 --> 00:37:39,680
more positive session with the dogs and create these,
1143
00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:40,460
you know,
1144
00:37:40,460 --> 00:37:44,510
beautiful memories for their people in a way that is fun
1145
00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:47,360
for everyone involved and captures their true,
1146
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,250
happy selves and spirit.
1147
00:37:49,250 --> 00:37:49,850
Before we go,
1148
00:37:49,850 --> 00:37:53,870
do you have any other recommendations for places or people that
1149
00:37:53,870 --> 00:37:54,380
maybe you're like,
1150
00:37:54,410 --> 00:37:54,740
oh man,
1151
00:37:54,740 --> 00:37:56,570
I do want to learn a little bit more about this
1152
00:37:56,570 --> 00:37:57,620
or some other resources.
1153
00:37:57,620 --> 00:37:59,120
Maybe they can start To look into this.
1154
00:37:59,630 --> 00:38:02,240
It's learning a little bit about dog body language is,
1155
00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:03,710
is the first thing.
1156
00:38:03,890 --> 00:38:07,610
And my guess is that photographers might try to rush through
1157
00:38:07,610 --> 00:38:09,620
before the dog gets too nervous.
1158
00:38:09,950 --> 00:38:12,050
But once you start to see those signs,
1159
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,370
those signs are gonna escalate.
1160
00:38:13,370 --> 00:38:16,250
So you want to stop even if it's just for 30
1161
00:38:16,250 --> 00:38:18,860
seconds or 60 seconds and give the dog a break.
1162
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:23,690
So definitely look into dog body language videos.
1163
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,080
And just once you start to see what those signs will
1164
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:27,710
look like,
1165
00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:30,020
you'll start to recognize them more often.
1166
00:38:30,380 --> 00:38:31,030
Yeah. Yeah.
1167
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,880
It's just with any practice of seeing these little subtle changes,
1168
00:38:34,910 --> 00:38:36,910
you a really good point that I wanted to bring up
1169
00:38:36,910 --> 00:38:40,450
too. And a lot of photographers do feel the need to
1170
00:38:40,450 --> 00:38:41,680
rush. I know I did.
1171
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,030
When I started my business,
1172
00:38:43,060 --> 00:38:43,840
it was,
1173
00:38:44,050 --> 00:38:45,460
I would rush through a session,
1174
00:38:45,460 --> 00:38:47,530
not because I felt like I had to rush for the
1175
00:38:47,530 --> 00:38:49,480
behavior of the dog or rush to get things.
1176
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,040
It was more from a place of,
1177
00:38:51,130 --> 00:38:51,640
oh my gosh,
1178
00:38:51,790 --> 00:38:53,380
I need to be doing something constantly.
1179
00:38:53,380 --> 00:38:55,240
Because if I don't this person,
1180
00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:58,780
my client's gonna realize that I don't know what I'm doing.
1181
00:38:58,810 --> 00:39:01,300
And gonna think I'm a total fraud and this is awful.
1182
00:39:01,300 --> 00:39:01,660
So like,
1183
00:39:01,660 --> 00:39:03,490
I, I came from this place of like,
1184
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:04,510
okay, shoot here.
1185
00:39:04,570 --> 00:39:05,200
Okay, shoot.
1186
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:05,920
There, go there,
1187
00:39:05,950 --> 00:39:06,400
go here.
1188
00:39:06,700 --> 00:39:08,980
And I always tell everybody,
1189
00:39:08,980 --> 00:39:10,270
I'm like take a deep breath.
1190
00:39:10,750 --> 00:39:14,260
It is okay to give the dog a break.
1191
00:39:14,350 --> 00:39:16,000
It is okay to say,
1192
00:39:16,180 --> 00:39:16,450
all right,
1193
00:39:16,450 --> 00:39:16,870
hold on.
1194
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,180
I'm going to walk right over here and check the light.
1195
00:39:19,180 --> 00:39:22,060
Or I need to adjust some settings on my camera.
1196
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,820
Like take a break and breathe.
1197
00:39:24,850 --> 00:39:26,260
And it's going to be better for you.
1198
00:39:26,380 --> 00:39:27,730
It's going to be better for the dog.
1199
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,020
It's going to be better for the human.
1200
00:39:29,020 --> 00:39:31,120
And I promise if you tell them we're taking a quick
1201
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,460
break, they're not going to think that it's because you don't
1202
00:39:33,460 --> 00:39:34,210
know what you're doing.
1203
00:39:35,370 --> 00:39:37,740
Yeah. And I think just being prepared,
1204
00:39:37,860 --> 00:39:40,830
like when I did my photo shoot with Sadie and Robbie,
1205
00:39:40,830 --> 00:39:45,120
it was an in-studio and the dogs started to get tired,
1206
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,400
which they posed better when they were tired.
1207
00:39:47,850 --> 00:39:50,100
But then when it was time to do like the white
1208
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:51,180
background paper,
1209
00:39:51,210 --> 00:39:52,320
they just wanted to lay down.
1210
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,160
They wouldn't do anything.
1211
00:39:54,060 --> 00:39:55,620
She told me to bring toys.
1212
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,170
And so we started to play with them and that was
1213
00:39:58,350 --> 00:39:59,940
fabulous. Yeah.
1214
00:39:59,970 --> 00:40:02,820
So I think just preparing for some of those things and
1215
00:40:02,820 --> 00:40:08,760
yeah. Taking there's no rush as someone who's had professional photos
1216
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:09,660
of their dogs.
1217
00:40:09,870 --> 00:40:10,170
I mean,
1218
00:40:10,260 --> 00:40:14,040
I had it done because my first dog mocha,
1219
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,270
when she passed away,
1220
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:15,840
I mean,
1221
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,850
I started taking pictures of her when she was,
1222
00:40:18,180 --> 00:40:19,830
it was her last week of life.
1223
00:40:20,580 --> 00:40:23,670
I know I didn't have any like good fun memories of
1224
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:25,860
her. So then when I did these ads,
1225
00:40:25,860 --> 00:40:26,100
I'm like,
1226
00:40:26,100 --> 00:40:27,840
no, I want them when they're young.
1227
00:40:27,870 --> 00:40:30,600
And I want the photos to remember,
1228
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:31,200
you know,
1229
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,820
how much fun they were.
1230
00:40:33,060 --> 00:40:34,020
So it's important.
1231
00:40:34,020 --> 00:40:39,180
Like it's really important for people to have those fun photos
1232
00:40:39,180 --> 00:40:39,750
of their dogs.
1233
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:40,770
So for me,
1234
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,600
when I did it with my photographer,
1235
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:42,810
I'm like,
1236
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,280
I don't care if it takes all day.
1237
00:40:44,580 --> 00:40:45,390
Right, right.
1238
00:40:45,420 --> 00:40:47,400
I just want some good shots.
1239
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,710
And another note too,
1240
00:40:49,710 --> 00:40:50,400
with my dog.
1241
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,960
So I have Italian greyhounds.
1242
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:54,120
So they look like big greyhounds,
1243
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,590
but they're about 15 pounds,
1244
00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:56,250
their littles.
1245
00:40:56,730 --> 00:40:59,190
And when my dogs get nervous,
1246
00:40:59,250 --> 00:41:02,070
they pin their ears back and we just,
1247
00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:03,120
they look like a funny,
1248
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,380
cause their necks are long.
1249
00:41:04,410 --> 00:41:05,430
They look like a long,
1250
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:06,360
weird goose.
1251
00:41:06,780 --> 00:41:07,140
And I'm like,
1252
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,360
well, that was my biggest concern is,
1253
00:41:09,390 --> 00:41:11,310
oh, I don't want their ears pinned back.
1254
00:41:11,310 --> 00:41:15,000
I don't want them to look tariff on my photos because
1255
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,350
of the photos were memories for me.
1256
00:41:16,350 --> 00:41:16,590
I'm like,
1257
00:41:16,590 --> 00:41:19,140
I want to remember them happy and goofy and fun.
1258
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:20,400
Right. And I'm like,
1259
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:22,170
oh, every time I take a picture of them,
1260
00:41:22,170 --> 00:41:23,100
their ears pinned back.
1261
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,470
But she did such a great job of getting their ears
1262
00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:30,090
up and making them comfortable.
1263
00:41:30,090 --> 00:41:33,030
She had treats toys.
1264
00:41:33,770 --> 00:41:36,980
She had what was called a dog Wrangler and assistant.
1265
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,550
Yeah. But you know,
1266
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:44,120
I, I think for the Fatah for your audience,
1267
00:41:44,180 --> 00:41:45,140
that's listening.
1268
00:41:45,140 --> 00:41:45,440
I mean,
1269
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,590
these photos are important to people and just take your time.
1270
00:41:49,710 --> 00:41:51,620
I did not care if I had to go back a
1271
00:41:51,620 --> 00:41:53,030
second or a third time,
1272
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,440
I just wanted good shots that they didn't look terrified in.
1273
00:41:57,500 --> 00:41:58,580
And I got them.
1274
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:59,830
Yeah. That's great.
1275
00:41:59,980 --> 00:42:01,720
Yeah. I always tell my clients that,
1276
00:42:01,750 --> 00:42:02,050
you know,
1277
00:42:02,050 --> 00:42:04,510
to plan for an hour and a half or two hours
1278
00:42:04,510 --> 00:42:05,200
for our session,
1279
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,730
but usually it doesn't take that time,
1280
00:42:06,730 --> 00:42:09,160
but I like them to schedule that much time in case
1281
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,050
we need to take some breaks or in case things take
1282
00:42:11,050 --> 00:42:12,550
a little bit longer and you know,
1283
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:14,020
or if the is a little bit more nervous so that
1284
00:42:14,020 --> 00:42:16,390
we can take the time to get the shots that we
1285
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:17,230
want to grab.
1286
00:42:17,530 --> 00:42:17,980
So yeah.
1287
00:42:18,010 --> 00:42:18,850
So, oh man,
1288
00:42:18,850 --> 00:42:20,050
Sherry, thank you so much.
1289
00:42:20,110 --> 00:42:23,170
I let everybody know where they can find you online if
1290
00:42:23,170 --> 00:42:26,260
they want to follow along with your dog training adventures.
1291
00:42:26,410 --> 00:42:31,690
Sure. So they could find me on instagram@allabouttrainingdogs.com.
1292
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,690
So it's four words all about training ducks.com.
1293
00:42:34,930 --> 00:42:35,380
All right.
1294
00:42:35,650 --> 00:42:36,820
Perfect. Perfect.
1295
00:42:36,820 --> 00:42:40,630
Perfect. Thanks Sherry again for being here and everybody else,
1296
00:42:40,660 --> 00:42:42,520
we will talk to you next week.
1297
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:43,510
Bye everyone.
1298
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:44,980
Bye. Thanks Nicole.
1299
00:42:45,490 --> 00:42:46,030
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1300
00:42:46,030 --> 00:42:46,630
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