120 - You've seen her as the 'Pupparazzi' on Nat Geo WILD. You've drooled over her signature, sapphire-sky pet portraits. Your coffee table might even be adorned with her brand-new book, Dogtography.
And now it's time to buckle up, because this week's episode features a mile-a-minute conversation with my dear friend, the inimitable Kaylee Greer. You'll hear all about her journey from self-described lost soul to (my words here!) pet photography's ultimate rock star.
What To Listen For:
Give yourself the gift of an undistracted listen, because Kaylee drops pearls of wisdom at a rapid-fire rate—and you won't want to miss a single one!
Resources From This Episode:
JOIN THE PARTY:
120 - You've seen her as the 'Pupparazzi' on Nat Geo WILD. You've drooled over her signature, sapphire-sky pet portraits. Your coffee table might even be adorned with her brand-new book, Dogtography.
And now it's time to buckle up, because this week's episode features a mile-a-minute conversation with my dear friend, the inimitable Kaylee Greer. You'll hear all about her journey from self-described lost soul to (my words here!) pet photography's ultimate rock star.
What To Listen For:
Give yourself the gift of an undistracted listen, because Kaylee drops pearls of wisdom at a rapid-fire rate—and you won't want to miss a single one!
Resources From This Episode:
JOIN THE PARTY:
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Welcome back to the hair of the dog podcast.
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I'm your host,
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Nicole Begley.
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And today we're sharing another best of series.
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And this was originally number episode 42 secrets to success with
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Kaylee Greer,
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from dog breath photography.
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This is an incredible conversation that I loved having.
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And I know a lot of you loved listening to it.
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kick back.
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Have a listen for your first time.
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I'm sure you're going to get something new out of it
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as well.
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Stay tuned.
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Welcome to the hair of the dog podcast.
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If you're a pet photographer,
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ready to make more money and start living a life by
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your design,
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you've come to the right place.
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And now your host,
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pet photographer,
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travel addict,
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chocolate martini connoisseur,
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Nicole Begley.
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Hey everybody.
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Nicole here from hair of the dog.
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And I am here with one of my dear friends.
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I'm so excited to finally have her on the podcast.
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Haley Greer from,
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Sorry, I just yelled over you.
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Cause I was so excited because I can see Nicole's little
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on the video too.
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recording. So it's got a little wild,
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but it's Kaylee from dog breath photography.
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I am so pumped to be here,
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Nicole. Thanks for having me.
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Yeah. Yeah,
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of course.
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Any time.
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I'm so excited to have you here and yeah,
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full disclosure.
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I'm supposed to be like in person in Boston this week.
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So I should have been able to see you in person
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and giving you a hug.
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Oh my God.
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Imagine this sacred hug.
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I just love to hug.
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I'm such a hugger and with my clients too,
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I'm typically like really like huggy and bright and hands.
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I shouldn't say weird.
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I get out of the car and it's like,
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hi. And it's so cold.
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Right? It's like a weird cold,
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awkward interaction.
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was going up to them and like kind of slowly meandering
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towards them and then like sorta doing the hug movement,
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like the fake them out with the arms,
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just to see if they were going to react and maybe
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hug me back then Sam was like,
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You got to stop doing the,
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like the hug thing where you test out people's hugs because
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he's like,
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you're making people uncomfortable.
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world and we can hug again.
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dog breath,
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and because she is the queen,
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one of the starting,
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pet photography niche into the stratosphere.
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an important part of Genuinely.
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not really like looking around what else is sort of going
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on, whether it's in the photography industry or in the dog
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specifically selling,
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to hear you say those things.
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can to try to tell the stories of these dogs in
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the best way that I know.
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successful is because,
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assignments and it find your why you started with your,
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why, which was you love these dogs and you want to
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share their story and you want to create these images of
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the ways you see the dogs.
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passionate about the work that they create than you.
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that you've been as successful as you are.
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Keep you around for my ego.
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Surely it's funny.
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soul. Like I knew I was a creative person.
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to do something,
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to lift somebody up or to lift up something I believed
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shiny pennies,
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I'll double major.
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tour in my band.
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times, but not,
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one single thing and kind of pushed forward on that one
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particular thing until doc photography.
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that I love.
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but this is what I was put here on the earth
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for. Like that's when I figured it out,
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it all became so clear when it got to the shelter.
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I was thinking it was you,
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you always have these fancy books you recommend that are awesome.
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the scribble mess.
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thing. And that's like,
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bonkers passion I had for all these other things,
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that moment of like,
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shelter 2010 crazy.
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I'm getting older every day.
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like, wrinkle.
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I can't even imagine a wrinkle.
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I am aging all the time,
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hear all the little bones or whatever,
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but in the bowl,
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it's awful.
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I got a few wrinkles on you over here.
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The first one's the most of the most shocking.
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you know what?
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lady. That's so funny.
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the dog stuff.
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And I'm like,
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oh, I want to do this.
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I want to do this.
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I want to do that.
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You know?
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And it's just,
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sometimes it's hard to focus.
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And sometimes I think it almost gets a little bit scary
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because you're like,
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well wait,
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but what if I should focus over here?
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So when you decided to go all in on dog photography,
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was it like,
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oh, am I giving up these things over here?
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Or was it like totally clear?
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Like, oh my gosh,
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That's a really good question.
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And that's the thing.
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This was,
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that was the first time ever that it wasn't like absolutely
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terrifying to not necessarily give everything else up,
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but to say,
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oh my gosh,
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I'm going to pick this thing.
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And I'm going to pick this one thing.
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And normally it was like,
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oh no,
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no, no,
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I got this thing over here.
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And I got like,
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you know,
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like twinkly lights over here.
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And I get like pennies and I get really all over
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the place.
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And typically it was like a really heart-wrenching idea to give
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up. And again,
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when we say give up and be more like sideline or
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whatever, you know,
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cause I still like play music and I still,
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you know,
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read books like crazy.
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And I try to do I have like interests on the
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side. Although honestly,
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like I don't feel unfulfilled because my life is like 90%
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dog photography because it is the most magical thing on planet
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earth. Like I never found anything in my entire life that
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I felt was more like my soulmate than dog.
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Don't tell Sam,
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don't tell Contacts,
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send your Secrets out.
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But you know,
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it was just that,
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I don't know.
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I felt like,
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oh my gosh,
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this is my purpose.
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Like everybody is here for a,
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and I feel like a lot of people spend their whole
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lives trying to find that reason.
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And I,
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I spent a decent portion of my life,
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but I mean,
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in the grand scheme of the world,
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I'm still pretty young.
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And I feel really grateful that I did find that at
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like 24,
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it was like 23,
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24. And I was like,
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okay. I felt at the time really bummed out because I
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felt like I was really old to have found my passion.
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You know how,
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like when you look at YouTube videos of like,
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five-year-old like little girls playing the drums,
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prodigy of epic proportions,
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you're a child.
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Like, you feel like you wish you would've known even sooner.
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So I remember being in like my like early mid twenties
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and kind of finding this and going,
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oh, I wish I would've found this sooner,
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which is a little crazy because I think in the grand
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scheme of life,
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when I like look around,
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I do feel grateful that I have like a decade under
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my belt,
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but I still feel like relatively,
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relatively like a spring chicken.
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Like I got,
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I got like time and like years in my bones left
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to go,
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you know,
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You almost need that little bit of,
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you know,
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something to compare it to,
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like, if you had found your passion at five,
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then by the time you get to like 23,
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you might be like,
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well, I don't know,
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is, is this really it?
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Or what about these other things I haven't explored?
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So I think that little bit of age,
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those couple years just give you a little bit of time
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to, to compare it to the other things.
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So then,
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you know,
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when it actually is,
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yeah, I suppose that's true too.
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It's all about like,
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there's so many things in life that are about like lining
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up at the right time.
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And, and so much of it has to do with hard
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work and skill,
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but a lot of it also has to do with just
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the universe and timing.
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And I'm sure you have,
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have you read Malcolm Gladwell's outliers?
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I have not actually,
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I can't believe it,
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but from the woman of the book wisdom who always shares
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all the book wisdom,
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you have to read this book.
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It is so fascinating.
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It's about,
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you know,
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like successes and outliers people who kind of stand out from
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the crowd,
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you know,
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names like bill gates and famous sports players and why exactly
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like what all lined up besides their skill and their intelligence
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and their talents,
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what all lined up for them for this to kind of
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work out in such an epic massive way.
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And so on a smaller scale,
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I feel like a lot of things lined up like beautifully.
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And I feel really grateful for that.
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I was living in Florida for a long time before I
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started. And then I moved up to Boston and I got
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a job at apple and I was working at apple and
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I was kind of like,
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I loved the culture because I,
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I felt like I could be myself.
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I could have my wacky colored hair that was always changing
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and I could be like quirky and kind of weird.
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And they like embraced that and accepted that.
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And in most professional situations,
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they're not really as into that,
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I think it's getting better these days,
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but yeah,
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it was,
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it was like a special place to be.
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And so I felt good about that.
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But then I was,
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you know,
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basically a glorified salesperson,
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you know,
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they call you a specialist.
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There makes you feel fancy,
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but really you're just like selling computers and consulting with people
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on like what's wrong with their I-phones and fixing iPhones and
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you know,
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whatever. So in the end they felt like,
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oh my gosh,
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I know I have this gift to give to the world.
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I know I have something inside me.
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What is it though?
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What I am,
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I squandering it because selling computers,
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isn't what I feel like I was put on this earth
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to do.
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And it's not what I worked really hard in college to
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do. It's I just,
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and speaking of,
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you know,
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the whole really distractible can't focus on anything sort of thing.
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I majored in communication and visual arts,
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but I minored in biology so I could have that focus
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on animals.
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So I can,
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I didn't know that.
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So I could somehow right.
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Use my like creative.
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I always felt very creative and like,
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I could,
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you know,
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tell a story or like I could maybe work in marketing
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or advertising or something and,
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and, but then also do it for an animal type organization
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that was kind of my big thing.
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So I had this degree and I knew that I,
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you know,
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knew some things about the world,
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but like,
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I felt like I wasn't using it at all to its
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fullest potential.
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So that's when at apple I started volunteering at the shelter
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and it was just simply because it was like long days
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at work.
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Oh my gosh.
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Through the Christmas season.
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I mean,
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I'm sure all of you who are listening to this have
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walked by an apple store during a holiday season.
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And it's like,
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you walked by an apple store and like a three o'clock
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on a February,
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Tuesday. Exactly.
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Right. It's wild.
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And it's like,
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it's really like chaotic.
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And unfortunately as much as like the culture there is great
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among like the employees and the company itself,
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there's a lot of negativity that gets thrown around in,
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in a retail setting just generally,
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right. You're dealing with the public,
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like in a retail setting,
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people are like mad.
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They want this.
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Or they want that it's people are more often angry at
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like the mall than they are happy.
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And I'm really,
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really empathetic and really sensitive and kind of wear my heart
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on my sleeve.
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And so a lot of times,
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you know,
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bummer interaction at,
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at the apple store,
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you know,
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after, again,
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like worked so hard for my degree in college and I
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had all these big dreams and I would like leave there
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and sit in my car and just cry in the parking
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lot, you know?
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Cause it was like,
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I know that this is not what I was meant to
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do. And so with that was what I started to search
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out. My reason,
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you know,
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that's why I started,
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started to sort of search out my why,
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which was okay,
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why am I here on this planet?
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What's the thing that from day one has been the thing
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that's moved me,
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changed me,
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brought me more joy than I can ever describe.
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And that the answer was really simple.
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It came to me like it smashed me in the face
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with like crystal clarity and that moment of,
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you know,
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sitting there crying in the parking lot and it was dogs.
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It's always been dogs.
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And so that's when I went to the shelter and I
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said, well,
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you know what,
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at the very least I can go be with dogs almost
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as a form of therapy after these horrible,
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long days at work where people are yelling at me about
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their iPhone or their iPad or whatever.
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And I went to the shelter and I just started to
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volunteer on a totally like regular basis in terms of,
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you know,
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cleaning up cages,
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feeding the dog dog that wasn't,
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it wasn't photography at all.
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It was just more like me needing to find the thing
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that brought me clarity and joy.
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And, and maybe in those moments I could breathe and figure
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out what was next for me.
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And do you have a dog at home night?
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Well, it's funny.
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I did own a dog,
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but I had just,
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as the timeline goes,
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as I mentioned,
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I went to college in Florida and I lived down in
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and then I moved up to Boston and that's where I
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got the job at apple.
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But the reason I moved up to Boston,
542
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just because I was in a long relationship with my ex
543
00:14:58,310 --> 00:15:00,500
boyfriend of like nine years,
544
00:15:00,500 --> 00:15:04,040
he was like my longest boyfriend before Sam and we had
545
00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:04,730
a dog together.
546
00:15:04,730 --> 00:15:06,980
We had a pit bull named told me he was such
547
00:15:06,980 --> 00:15:07,760
a special boy.
548
00:15:08,030 --> 00:15:09,050
So when I left,
549
00:15:09,050 --> 00:15:09,650
we kind of,
550
00:15:09,710 --> 00:15:12,710
at first we kind of did this swap a roo thing.
551
00:15:12,710 --> 00:15:18,140
Like every six months was crazy.
552
00:15:18,140 --> 00:15:19,250
So like when I lived in Boston,
553
00:15:19,250 --> 00:15:22,880
I would drive down to like Virginia and meet him halfway
554
00:15:22,910 --> 00:15:25,160
like every six months or sometimes it was every like three
555
00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:25,610
or four months,
556
00:15:25,610 --> 00:15:26,990
depending on what we decided.
557
00:15:27,020 --> 00:15:29,360
Right. So we did this like joint custody thing with Toby,
558
00:15:29,420 --> 00:15:30,110
but it was,
559
00:15:30,140 --> 00:15:32,570
it was interesting because at the time that I was volunteering
560
00:15:32,570 --> 00:15:33,230
at the shelter,
561
00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,250
which is where I started to get into photography in terms
562
00:15:37,250 --> 00:15:40,580
of realizing that these dogs had an incredible story to tell
563
00:15:40,670 --> 00:15:42,590
and nobody was there to help them tell it,
564
00:15:42,670 --> 00:15:43,670
especially at that time,
565
00:15:43,670 --> 00:15:46,460
I think it's much more common now for like the shelters
566
00:15:46,460 --> 00:15:48,740
to have like really great photographers on their team.
567
00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,140
But, but then it was a lot of like photos through
568
00:15:51,140 --> 00:15:52,070
the bars of a cage,
569
00:15:52,100 --> 00:15:53,000
taken with a phone,
570
00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,680
with a flash on with the theme.
571
00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:55,130
And I,
572
00:15:55,130 --> 00:15:55,670
you know what I mean,
573
00:15:55,670 --> 00:15:59,390
lighting up and the dogs looking like really fearful and uncomfortable.
574
00:15:59,390 --> 00:16:02,930
And so I felt like I could do at least with,
575
00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:03,200
you know,
576
00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,570
like whatever difference that I can make with my two small
577
00:16:05,570 --> 00:16:07,700
hands. That's what I wanted to do is just to try
578
00:16:07,700 --> 00:16:08,630
to tell these stories.
579
00:16:08,690 --> 00:16:10,280
And so I just brought like a point and shoot,
580
00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:10,580
you know,
581
00:16:10,580 --> 00:16:11,840
it wasn't like anything fancy,
582
00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,790
but that's where I found my answer.
583
00:16:13,790 --> 00:16:16,520
Like I feel like when I paused the universe for a
584
00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:17,240
minute to be like,
585
00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:18,050
what is it?
586
00:16:18,050 --> 00:16:19,550
Because I feel so lost.
587
00:16:19,550 --> 00:16:22,280
I finally like left in a silence for the answer to
588
00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,350
come, come crawling through the clouds.
589
00:16:24,350 --> 00:16:24,720
You know,
590
00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:26,960
no me,
591
00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:28,190
I rarely ever shut up.
592
00:16:28,220 --> 00:16:31,520
I really only ever stop for silence ever.
593
00:16:31,790 --> 00:16:32,780
It drives him nuts.
594
00:16:32,780 --> 00:16:33,410
He's always like Kaylee.
595
00:16:33,410 --> 00:16:35,360
I can not get a freaking word in edgewise,
596
00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:35,810
like stop,
597
00:16:35,870 --> 00:16:37,010
breathe for a second,
598
00:16:37,250 --> 00:16:38,990
which is probably going to be a problem on this podcast.
599
00:16:42,020 --> 00:16:42,590
So I,
600
00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:43,160
I just,
601
00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,040
I, I feel really grateful and that's kind of like what
602
00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:46,430
that book,
603
00:16:46,430 --> 00:16:48,800
the outliers is about is like all these things that sort
604
00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:49,580
of have to line up.
605
00:16:49,610 --> 00:16:50,870
Like I was in Boston,
606
00:16:50,870 --> 00:16:53,060
therefore I ended up going to like one of the best
607
00:16:53,060 --> 00:16:54,650
shelter systems in the country,
608
00:16:54,770 --> 00:16:56,060
which is the MSP CA.
609
00:16:56,330 --> 00:17:00,290
And I happened to have universal shelter grounds to shoot on,
610
00:17:00,290 --> 00:17:01,820
to explore my creativity.
611
00:17:02,030 --> 00:17:03,020
Like typically,
612
00:17:03,110 --> 00:17:03,470
you know,
613
00:17:03,470 --> 00:17:04,280
as you know,
614
00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:05,390
from volunteering at places,
615
00:17:05,390 --> 00:17:05,750
we've been,
616
00:17:05,750 --> 00:17:07,640
you and I have volunteered in Costa Rica,
617
00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,880
like we've seen all kinds of conditions and shelters and,
618
00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,810
and typically there's not a lot of space to find beautiful
619
00:17:14,810 --> 00:17:15,170
surroundings. You know,
620
00:17:15,170 --> 00:17:15,470
it's like,
621
00:17:15,470 --> 00:17:18,320
you're kind of stuck in like this little play yard I'm
622
00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,090
here, like in a city.
623
00:17:20,120 --> 00:17:20,720
And you know,
624
00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:21,290
there's nothing,
625
00:17:21,290 --> 00:17:23,300
just some sidewalks and maybe a grungy,
626
00:17:23,300 --> 00:17:26,210
but not in a pretty photography grungy way around.
627
00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:27,590
Exactly. Yeah,
628
00:17:27,590 --> 00:17:29,630
exactly. So I just feel like that was really lucky.
629
00:17:29,630 --> 00:17:31,820
That was part of the formula was like here I was
630
00:17:31,820 --> 00:17:34,490
in this place that had these like ruling green Hills and
631
00:17:34,820 --> 00:17:36,020
old Oak trees.
632
00:17:36,020 --> 00:17:37,790
And they even had this like graffiti,
633
00:17:37,790 --> 00:17:40,580
like, like railway bridge in the back of their property that
634
00:17:40,580 --> 00:17:42,140
I can like try out my like funky,
635
00:17:42,140 --> 00:17:43,250
colorful stuff with.
636
00:17:43,250 --> 00:17:44,840
And so that was like a big part,
637
00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,580
I think of like how it all lined up for me.
638
00:17:46,580 --> 00:17:48,800
And it was a long time before I realized that,
639
00:17:48,830 --> 00:17:49,050
you know,
640
00:17:49,050 --> 00:17:51,930
maybe I should pursue this like avenue of,
641
00:17:52,110 --> 00:17:53,160
wow. Maybe I could,
642
00:17:53,220 --> 00:17:55,050
I never thought in a million years it could be a
643
00:17:55,050 --> 00:17:56,460
job. I really didn't.
644
00:17:56,460 --> 00:17:56,680
But I,
645
00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:58,260
How did you realize,
646
00:17:58,260 --> 00:17:59,700
how did you come to realize that like,
647
00:17:59,730 --> 00:18:00,090
oh wait,
648
00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:02,940
there's people that will pay me to do this for their
649
00:18:02,940 --> 00:18:04,740
dog. Yeah.
650
00:18:04,770 --> 00:18:05,520
Yeah. That was,
651
00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,590
well, it was never an intention,
652
00:18:07,620 --> 00:18:09,000
never in a million years,
653
00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:09,420
like I said,
654
00:18:09,420 --> 00:18:10,080
did I think like,
655
00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:10,680
it could be like,
656
00:18:10,740 --> 00:18:11,130
I don't know,
657
00:18:11,130 --> 00:18:13,500
a profitable lose the word profitable,
658
00:18:13,500 --> 00:18:14,340
just a business.
659
00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,260
I just never thought it could be a business in general
660
00:18:16,260 --> 00:18:17,850
and then let alone like a lucrative,
661
00:18:18,090 --> 00:18:19,950
successful, busy business,
662
00:18:19,950 --> 00:18:20,640
which would come,
663
00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:21,000
you know,
664
00:18:21,180 --> 00:18:21,960
a few years later.
665
00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,510
But people would basically Scott,
666
00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:29,580
the power of networking communication and like social media can not
667
00:18:29,580 --> 00:18:30,750
be overstated.
668
00:18:30,750 --> 00:18:31,470
I cannot,
669
00:18:31,470 --> 00:18:34,590
I cannot describe to you what an and that's another thing
670
00:18:34,590 --> 00:18:36,480
like social media was just kind of like,
671
00:18:36,510 --> 00:18:36,690
I mean,
672
00:18:36,690 --> 00:18:38,430
it had been around already 10 years ago,
673
00:18:38,430 --> 00:18:40,740
but it was really getting like super popular.
674
00:18:40,740 --> 00:18:40,890
I mean,
675
00:18:40,890 --> 00:18:43,470
this was the time where like suddenly all our parents and
676
00:18:43,470 --> 00:18:45,930
everybody was starting to get on Facebook and starting to become
677
00:18:45,930 --> 00:18:48,240
involved with socially for like the first time in history.
678
00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,040
Like everybody was in one place and,
679
00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:51,000
you know,
680
00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,800
I would post the things I would do at the shelter
681
00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,160
on social media and people would start to see my work
682
00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,600
and it wasn't great by any means.
683
00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:57,780
It was,
684
00:18:57,780 --> 00:18:58,440
it was nothing.
685
00:18:58,440 --> 00:18:59,580
It was just like straight up,
686
00:18:59,580 --> 00:18:59,880
you know,
687
00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:00,540
point and shoot.
688
00:19:00,540 --> 00:19:03,150
Like, I didn't know anything about like great photography or light
689
00:19:03,150 --> 00:19:06,630
or anything like that yet to like make the smallest aside.
690
00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:09,180
I did take a couple of photography courses in college.
691
00:19:09,390 --> 00:19:10,260
And so I ended up,
692
00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,060
they were filmed and I had like a nice,
693
00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:13,200
like 35 mil,
694
00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,190
like film camera.
695
00:19:14,190 --> 00:19:16,470
And those were the things that I kind of pulled from
696
00:19:16,470 --> 00:19:17,040
that knowledge,
697
00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,170
from the dark room and contrast and,
698
00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:19,380
you know,
699
00:19:19,390 --> 00:19:20,970
dodging and burning and all that.
700
00:19:20,970 --> 00:19:23,670
Like, I kind of pulled from that experience a little bit,
701
00:19:23,670 --> 00:19:24,690
but I still didn't know.
702
00:19:24,690 --> 00:19:28,230
It was only like three courses within my visual arts major
703
00:19:28,260 --> 00:19:29,550
because visual art was everything.
704
00:19:29,550 --> 00:19:31,380
So I had to do drawing and all this other stuff,
705
00:19:31,980 --> 00:19:33,450
photography was just like a small part of it,
706
00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:34,290
which by the way,
707
00:19:34,290 --> 00:19:36,810
I loved it and was totally obsessed with those classes.
708
00:19:37,290 --> 00:19:37,560
But I,
709
00:19:37,580 --> 00:19:39,210
at the time I just kept telling myself,
710
00:19:39,210 --> 00:19:39,510
well, this,
711
00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:40,200
this is awesome,
712
00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,060
but I can't imagine that this is a real job,
713
00:19:42,090 --> 00:19:42,420
you know,
714
00:19:43,980 --> 00:19:45,270
I'm so sorry.
715
00:19:45,330 --> 00:19:47,880
I was just going to stay with your explosion of social
716
00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:49,390
media, like when you first started.
717
00:19:49,390 --> 00:19:52,200
And, and cause I know you credit that to a lot
718
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,270
of your growth was social media,
719
00:19:54,300 --> 00:19:58,050
but the missing kind of magical fairy dust that you always
720
00:19:58,050 --> 00:20:01,470
had, I think was the storytelling that you would bring to
721
00:20:01,470 --> 00:20:03,090
your posts because it wasn't just like,
722
00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:03,480
oh look,
723
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:04,950
I photographed fluffy down by the beach.
724
00:20:05,220 --> 00:20:05,520
I mean,
725
00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,960
you would bring in this background in the storytelling and describe
726
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,810
the scene and just like bring pure magic to the words,
727
00:20:12,810 --> 00:20:13,860
which I think then,
728
00:20:13,890 --> 00:20:14,370
you know,
729
00:20:14,430 --> 00:20:17,190
where human beings that are wired to want to tell stories
730
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:18,690
and wanting to listen to stories.
731
00:20:18,690 --> 00:20:21,090
So you always brought the story of that dog.
732
00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:23,400
So I think that's a lesson for everybody,
733
00:20:23,460 --> 00:20:23,880
you know,
734
00:20:23,940 --> 00:20:25,650
we have these beautiful images to share,
735
00:20:25,650 --> 00:20:27,120
but we need to tell their stories.
736
00:20:27,180 --> 00:20:27,420
You know,
737
00:20:27,420 --> 00:20:29,040
however we tell our stories,
738
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:30,000
we need to bring the story,
739
00:20:30,090 --> 00:20:30,750
Right? Yeah,
740
00:20:30,780 --> 00:20:31,560
no, that's a really,
741
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:32,490
really good point in,
742
00:20:32,490 --> 00:20:32,910
and again,
743
00:20:32,910 --> 00:20:34,470
I'm super humbled that you,
744
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:34,770
you know,
745
00:20:34,770 --> 00:20:37,710
kind of like noticed the stories that went along with the
746
00:20:37,710 --> 00:20:39,000
photos and that in some way,
747
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:39,210
you know,
748
00:20:39,210 --> 00:20:40,860
maybe they affected you or they affected,
749
00:20:40,860 --> 00:20:41,130
you know,
750
00:20:41,250 --> 00:20:44,220
people who were viewing them and reading these stories in some
751
00:20:44,220 --> 00:20:47,800
way, because I it's funny because Sam is my partner,
752
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,570
Sam, who's like 50% of dog breath.
753
00:20:49,570 --> 00:20:50,530
He's just the quiet half.
754
00:20:50,530 --> 00:20:51,370
That's what I always say.
755
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:52,510
I take the photos,
756
00:20:52,510 --> 00:20:54,640
but he like helps run the entire business.
757
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,710
And he's at every shoot and assisting with the dogs,
758
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:59,170
assisting with toys and treats and lighting and dealing with the
759
00:20:59,170 --> 00:21:00,160
clients. And so he's,
760
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,090
he's a dream,
761
00:21:01,150 --> 00:21:03,370
but he's also a professional photographer.
762
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,430
And actually he really taught me everything I really know today
763
00:21:06,430 --> 00:21:07,300
about photography.
764
00:21:07,510 --> 00:21:08,320
And that's another thing,
765
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:09,310
right. That had to line up.
766
00:21:09,310 --> 00:21:11,020
Like I met Sam right at that time.
767
00:21:11,140 --> 00:21:12,880
Right. When I started volunteering at the shelter and I'm like,
768
00:21:12,940 --> 00:21:14,020
oh, I'm doing this thing.
769
00:21:14,020 --> 00:21:16,150
And I started to volunteer at the shelter and he was
770
00:21:16,150 --> 00:21:16,600
like, oh wow,
771
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:17,260
that's interesting.
772
00:21:17,260 --> 00:21:17,500
And I'm like,
773
00:21:17,500 --> 00:21:17,830
I'm going to,
774
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:18,940
I think I'm going to take photos.
775
00:21:18,940 --> 00:21:19,340
And he,
776
00:21:19,340 --> 00:21:19,690
he was like,
777
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:20,350
oh, I have like,
778
00:21:20,380 --> 00:21:20,620
you know,
779
00:21:20,620 --> 00:21:21,580
it wasn't a great camera.
780
00:21:21,610 --> 00:21:23,380
I think it was like a Canon rebel or something,
781
00:21:23,380 --> 00:21:23,710
but he was like,
782
00:21:23,710 --> 00:21:25,810
I have like these nice camera you want to borrow it?
783
00:21:25,810 --> 00:21:26,050
You know,
784
00:21:26,050 --> 00:21:28,510
it was very interesting how it all sort of worked out,
785
00:21:28,570 --> 00:21:29,320
but he,
786
00:21:29,390 --> 00:21:31,720
in terms of like getting back to the social media and
787
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,200
the storytelling and kind of making it work for you and
788
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,810
for also the ability to gain attention.
789
00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:38,590
And for me,
790
00:21:38,590 --> 00:21:40,660
it wasn't the attention for like a gun.
791
00:21:40,660 --> 00:21:42,940
I didn't think I had a business or wanted a business
792
00:21:42,940 --> 00:21:44,290
or that business was the possible.
793
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:44,920
It was more,
794
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:45,430
I wanted,
795
00:21:45,490 --> 00:21:47,650
I wanted to be able to hear these stories about these
796
00:21:47,650 --> 00:21:49,840
dogs so we could change their lives because there's,
797
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:50,290
you know,
798
00:21:50,290 --> 00:21:53,200
this, this little black pit bull that I know and love
799
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,010
so deeply,
800
00:21:54,010 --> 00:21:56,170
that's been sitting in the back of the it's shelter cage
801
00:21:56,170 --> 00:21:57,190
for a year and a half.
802
00:21:57,310 --> 00:21:58,360
That's what drove me.
803
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,150
That's what made me think this is important.
804
00:22:01,270 --> 00:22:03,160
And I need to pour my whole heart and soul into
805
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:03,910
it. And,
806
00:22:03,980 --> 00:22:05,230
and so that's when,
807
00:22:05,230 --> 00:22:05,530
you know,
808
00:22:05,530 --> 00:22:06,460
Sam, he would like,
809
00:22:06,490 --> 00:22:08,650
he was also a photographer and he would take portraits of
810
00:22:08,650 --> 00:22:10,660
people and his portraits are beautiful.
811
00:22:10,660 --> 00:22:10,960
I mean,
812
00:22:11,020 --> 00:22:14,110
at the time beyond anything I could ever imagine creating,
813
00:22:14,110 --> 00:22:16,960
he was so talented and so far beyond my skill level.
814
00:22:17,140 --> 00:22:18,640
And I look at his work and I would be so
815
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:19,520
fascinated and,
816
00:22:19,810 --> 00:22:21,970
and, and so he'd post his work and it would be
817
00:22:21,970 --> 00:22:24,100
amazing, but it would be for example,
818
00:22:24,130 --> 00:22:26,410
be a photo from like a wedding of a beautiful photo
819
00:22:26,410 --> 00:22:26,920
of a couple,
820
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,480
like walking off into a sunset or something.
821
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:29,170
And he would say like,
822
00:22:29,290 --> 00:22:31,150
congratulations, Katelyn and Dan,
823
00:22:31,180 --> 00:22:33,130
like in the caption,
824
00:22:34,690 --> 00:22:34,990
you know,
825
00:22:34,990 --> 00:22:35,890
the thing is like,
826
00:22:35,890 --> 00:22:37,000
people will like,
827
00:22:37,030 --> 00:22:38,350
certainly look at it and think,
828
00:22:38,350 --> 00:22:39,490
oh, how lovely or whatever.
829
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:42,250
And maybe like it and kind of move on because it's
830
00:22:42,250 --> 00:22:43,060
two number one,
831
00:22:43,060 --> 00:22:43,930
it's two strangers.
832
00:22:43,930 --> 00:22:45,370
They don't know the people in the photo.
833
00:22:45,700 --> 00:22:46,390
Number two,
834
00:22:47,170 --> 00:22:50,560
they don't feel any connection whatsoever to the story of like
835
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:51,730
Dan and Caitlin or whatever,
836
00:22:51,730 --> 00:22:53,200
because they don't know who they are.
837
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,360
They Sam didn't really give them much info.
838
00:22:55,420 --> 00:22:56,650
So I started to,
839
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:59,230
when I shared the stories of the dogs from the shelters,
840
00:22:59,230 --> 00:23:01,660
it was like photo that I did my very best with
841
00:23:01,690 --> 00:23:03,910
that. I tried to go over the top to really pick
842
00:23:03,910 --> 00:23:06,210
a beautiful location and nice light and all this and,
843
00:23:06,210 --> 00:23:08,030
and, and technically expose it well and,
844
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,100
and XYZ.
845
00:23:09,130 --> 00:23:12,040
But what really mattered the most was knowing the history of
846
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,490
that dog and sharing everything I felt deserved to be shared
847
00:23:15,490 --> 00:23:16,180
about that dog.
848
00:23:16,210 --> 00:23:19,030
And those stories became quite long,
849
00:23:19,030 --> 00:23:19,540
which is why,
850
00:23:19,540 --> 00:23:21,610
again, I'm the queen of length and,
851
00:23:21,790 --> 00:23:23,440
and brevity is my daily struggle.
852
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,990
And every aspect of how that my day is going,
853
00:23:27,580 --> 00:23:29,980
it takes me like literally 45 minutes to an hour to
854
00:23:29,980 --> 00:23:30,700
write an email.
855
00:23:30,730 --> 00:23:31,210
It's crazy.
856
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:33,100
It's crazy.
857
00:23:33,310 --> 00:23:33,850
But anyway,
858
00:23:33,940 --> 00:23:34,960
those, but those did,
859
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:35,380
I didn't,
860
00:23:35,380 --> 00:23:36,070
there was no,
861
00:23:36,580 --> 00:23:37,930
there's no plan in place.
862
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,820
It wasn't manufactured.
863
00:23:40,030 --> 00:23:44,620
It wasn't because I was trying to manipulate the results of
864
00:23:44,620 --> 00:23:46,190
certain in any particular way.
865
00:23:46,190 --> 00:23:49,550
It was simply just because I wanted to share these stories
866
00:23:49,850 --> 00:23:52,760
and that ended up turning into something that did become a
867
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,950
bit of like a success for me in terms of,
868
00:23:55,010 --> 00:23:57,260
well, suddenly there was lots of eyes on these photos because
869
00:23:57,260 --> 00:23:58,070
people care,
870
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:58,640
like you said,
871
00:23:58,640 --> 00:23:59,510
we're storytelling,
872
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,570
humans, like stories have been passed down since the beginning of
873
00:24:02,570 --> 00:24:05,450
time. And that's how we know about ourselves and our families
874
00:24:05,450 --> 00:24:06,380
and our cultures.
875
00:24:06,650 --> 00:24:07,280
That's, you know,
876
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:07,520
I mean,
877
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:08,480
take it from Disney,
878
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:09,050
you know what I mean?
879
00:24:09,050 --> 00:24:09,800
The entire,
880
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:10,280
like the,
881
00:24:10,410 --> 00:24:14,270
the entire legacy of Walt Disney is built on storytelling and
882
00:24:14,270 --> 00:24:16,730
fairytales and that's what makes us,
883
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,460
it just primally resonates with us as human beings.
884
00:24:19,670 --> 00:24:20,180
And so,
885
00:24:20,210 --> 00:24:21,320
again, it wasn't a tactic.
886
00:24:21,530 --> 00:24:23,970
I never really thought that consciously about what I was doing.
887
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:24,710
Right. But in the end,
888
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:25,940
when I looked back at it and I go,
889
00:24:25,970 --> 00:24:27,230
oh, I do realize like,
890
00:24:27,260 --> 00:24:28,310
why that was effective.
891
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:28,640
Like, oh,
892
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:29,300
I see.
893
00:24:29,570 --> 00:24:31,070
Like, instead of just sharing,
894
00:24:31,070 --> 00:24:31,340
you know,
895
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,260
a mediocre photo here and there,
896
00:24:33,260 --> 00:24:35,840
because let's face it at the time the photos were mediocre.
897
00:24:36,140 --> 00:24:36,470
I was,
898
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:39,980
I was really pouring my heart into really sharing the truth
899
00:24:39,980 --> 00:24:43,730
about every situation and every dog and the vulnerability of doing
900
00:24:43,730 --> 00:24:45,080
that was I think just,
901
00:24:45,140 --> 00:24:47,030
there's a lot of psychology that goes into all of it
902
00:24:47,030 --> 00:24:48,590
that I'm really fascinated by.
903
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:49,850
I'm no psychologist,
904
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,200
but I am fascinated by it.
905
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,490
And I read a lot of books about it.
906
00:24:52,490 --> 00:24:52,840
And it's,
907
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:53,660
it's sort of interesting,
908
00:24:53,660 --> 00:24:55,910
like how to interact with crowds and how to interact with
909
00:24:55,940 --> 00:24:56,900
just generally,
910
00:24:56,930 --> 00:24:57,650
like we said,
911
00:24:57,650 --> 00:24:59,060
I'm like Facebook at the time,
912
00:24:59,060 --> 00:25:00,980
suddenly all these new people were coming on and it was
913
00:25:00,980 --> 00:25:03,740
people of all ages and religions and creeds.
914
00:25:03,740 --> 00:25:04,550
And you know what I mean,
915
00:25:04,550 --> 00:25:07,100
different like talents and likes and dislikes and how to bring
916
00:25:07,100 --> 00:25:10,220
them all together to actually care about something,
917
00:25:10,430 --> 00:25:13,190
how to stop them in their noisy newsfeed,
918
00:25:13,220 --> 00:25:16,310
where they're constantly scrolling through 800,000
919
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:17,750
pieces of stimuli a day,
920
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:18,980
how do you stop them?
921
00:25:19,130 --> 00:25:20,000
So again,
922
00:25:20,030 --> 00:25:21,080
didn't know it at the time,
923
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,480
but it was quite a successful way to go about it.
924
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:24,350
I guess in the end,
925
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,050
I think it all comes down to,
926
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,050
again, the fact that you found something that you were passionate
927
00:25:30,050 --> 00:25:32,450
about and you poured your whole heart and soul into it,
928
00:25:32,570 --> 00:25:33,950
and you know,
929
00:25:33,950 --> 00:25:34,610
it's just,
930
00:25:34,670 --> 00:25:35,720
you didn't do it.
931
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:36,200
Like you said,
932
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,400
you didn't do it for the,
933
00:25:37,460 --> 00:25:38,810
for the fame of it.
934
00:25:38,810 --> 00:25:40,850
You didn't do it for the exposure of it.
935
00:25:40,850 --> 00:25:43,220
You did it because you just felt this calling and this
936
00:25:43,220 --> 00:25:44,240
passion to do it.
937
00:25:44,570 --> 00:25:47,870
And which I think that is what leads to the most,
938
00:25:47,900 --> 00:25:48,260
you know,
939
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,930
amazing results is when we have this,
940
00:25:50,930 --> 00:25:53,390
just this need to do these things.
941
00:25:53,390 --> 00:25:53,990
And we just,
942
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:54,350
you know,
943
00:25:54,380 --> 00:25:56,360
do them as best we can for,
944
00:25:56,420 --> 00:25:57,350
for reasons,
945
00:25:57,380 --> 00:25:59,840
just because we want to put it out there because we
946
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,520
want to help the world in some way.
947
00:26:01,610 --> 00:26:04,070
And then the success comes afterwards.
948
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:04,870
It just comes back to,
949
00:26:04,910 --> 00:26:05,300
I think,
950
00:26:05,300 --> 00:26:06,470
I think that's exactly what,
951
00:26:06,500 --> 00:26:07,160
what you just said.
952
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,270
It's authenticity,
953
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:11,960
it's genuine about something and it's not necessarily like trying to
954
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,290
build a brand or chase an end goal or an end
955
00:26:15,290 --> 00:26:17,720
result. Now sitting where I sit,
956
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,420
I feel so insanely grateful that I have to pinch myself
957
00:26:20,450 --> 00:26:22,280
every day that I wake up and it's,
958
00:26:22,370 --> 00:26:23,390
it is my business.
959
00:26:23,390 --> 00:26:24,350
It is my income.
960
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:27,710
It's, I've been able to buy my first home and travel
961
00:26:27,710 --> 00:26:30,530
the world and have all these amazing things as a,
962
00:26:30,620 --> 00:26:32,900
as a result on just kind of on the side of
963
00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:34,180
financially and,
964
00:26:34,180 --> 00:26:36,200
and like kind of spiritually and like,
965
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,290
everything I am is sort of built around this passion of
966
00:26:39,290 --> 00:26:42,650
mine, but it did start and it still is,
967
00:26:42,650 --> 00:26:44,790
and always will be at the core of everything.
968
00:26:44,850 --> 00:26:46,590
A passion that I feel really,
969
00:26:46,590 --> 00:26:49,770
really lucky happened to be able to also kind of translate
970
00:26:49,770 --> 00:26:50,730
into a job.
971
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:53,400
Yeah. Which is why it's crazy.
972
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:53,850
I know.
973
00:26:53,850 --> 00:26:54,930
I look back at like,
974
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:55,200
you know,
975
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,180
when I started my business about 2010,
976
00:26:57,180 --> 00:26:58,920
about the same time as you and I look,
977
00:26:58,920 --> 00:26:59,520
and I'm like,
978
00:26:59,550 --> 00:27:02,040
I had no idea where this path was going to take
979
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,410
me never in a million years,
980
00:27:04,410 --> 00:27:06,690
did I think I would end up doing what I'm doing
981
00:27:06,690 --> 00:27:08,850
now? And I let love it every day.
982
00:27:08,940 --> 00:27:09,570
And it just,
983
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,070
it wasn't even on my radar.
984
00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:12,000
So, I mean,
985
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,440
it sounds like you were kind of the same way.
986
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:14,340
It's like dogs,
987
00:27:14,340 --> 00:27:15,750
photos tell a story,
988
00:27:15,780 --> 00:27:16,170
but like,
989
00:27:16,260 --> 00:27:17,190
could you ever have,
990
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,910
imagine that canal fast forward now I just held up here
991
00:27:20,910 --> 00:27:22,800
at 47 pound books behind me,
992
00:27:24,060 --> 00:27:24,630
this big,
993
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:25,800
beautiful dog.
994
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:27,420
Tography by Kaylee Greer book.
995
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:28,440
Yeah. Do you have,
996
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,210
like, have any idea that you were going to end up
997
00:27:30,450 --> 00:27:32,040
in this and it's still being developed?
998
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:32,730
Like we're still,
999
00:27:32,730 --> 00:27:34,710
we're still moving down this amazing path.
1000
00:27:35,550 --> 00:27:35,870
No, no,
1001
00:27:35,910 --> 00:27:36,540
it's crazy.
1002
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:38,430
I know.
1003
00:27:38,430 --> 00:27:39,990
I genuinely cannot believe it.
1004
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:40,410
And like,
1005
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,690
this is getting into like some deep,
1006
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,790
like, this is some stuff Nicole helps me work through.
1007
00:27:44,790 --> 00:27:46,810
Sometimes you guys cause like I have,
1008
00:27:47,220 --> 00:27:49,950
Nicole is my therapist and I have like a deep,
1009
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:54,330
like feeling of what's the word?
1010
00:27:54,540 --> 00:27:56,520
Not necessarily like insignificance,
1011
00:27:56,550 --> 00:27:58,620
but like I'm not worthy.
1012
00:27:58,830 --> 00:28:03,330
And I think that a lot of artists struggle with like
1013
00:28:03,330 --> 00:28:04,830
imposter syndrome and they're like,
1014
00:28:04,830 --> 00:28:05,820
who am I?
1015
00:28:05,940 --> 00:28:06,390
I'm not,
1016
00:28:06,390 --> 00:28:06,810
you know,
1017
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,820
everybody else that you look at,
1018
00:28:08,850 --> 00:28:10,170
I just gave a webinar the other night.
1019
00:28:10,170 --> 00:28:11,550
And I talked about this a little bit because this is
1020
00:28:11,550 --> 00:28:12,210
something that really,
1021
00:28:12,210 --> 00:28:14,430
really is like important to me and resonates with me to
1022
00:28:14,430 --> 00:28:15,930
make sure that other people understand.
1023
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:18,690
Because when I look at my favorite photographers,
1024
00:28:18,690 --> 00:28:21,870
when I look at people who I just idolize and feel
1025
00:28:21,870 --> 00:28:25,950
like are absolutely like golden gods of photography and everything,
1026
00:28:25,950 --> 00:28:28,380
they touch turns to gold and I'll never ever be able
1027
00:28:28,380 --> 00:28:30,450
to be like them because they were born,
1028
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:30,780
you know,
1029
00:28:30,780 --> 00:28:32,670
underneath the sparkling sun.
1030
00:28:32,730 --> 00:28:35,130
And I will never be that good because I'm not made
1031
00:28:35,130 --> 00:28:37,020
of the same DNA and I don't have the same genetics.
1032
00:28:37,020 --> 00:28:37,470
And I'm just,
1033
00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:38,100
you know what I mean?
1034
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:39,540
I look at McNally,
1035
00:28:39,540 --> 00:28:41,490
I look at Jeremy cower at Lindsay Adler,
1036
00:28:41,670 --> 00:28:42,030
you know,
1037
00:28:42,570 --> 00:28:43,530
Sophie c'mon,
1038
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:47,220
there's so many incredible photographers that you look at and using
1039
00:28:47,220 --> 00:28:51,030
man, like you see this curated like perfect portfolio and you
1040
00:28:51,030 --> 00:28:51,480
just think,
1041
00:28:51,660 --> 00:28:53,460
man, it all comes so easy to them.
1042
00:28:53,460 --> 00:28:54,480
And I,
1043
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:57,810
I am not good enough and I'll never be good enough.
1044
00:28:57,810 --> 00:28:59,700
And I should just put the camera down now.
1045
00:28:59,970 --> 00:29:00,480
And it's,
1046
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,930
it's, it's tough these days with like social media is a
1047
00:29:03,930 --> 00:29:08,760
blessing, a massive blessing and also a curse because it hurts
1048
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,340
sometimes to play that like comparison game.
1049
00:29:11,340 --> 00:29:12,360
Like you sh it,
1050
00:29:12,450 --> 00:29:13,920
it can kill your soul,
1051
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:14,910
it can kill your art.
1052
00:29:14,970 --> 00:29:17,430
It can kill your career entirely to just be like,
1053
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:18,540
I don't understand,
1054
00:29:18,540 --> 00:29:18,900
you know,
1055
00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:20,820
why this person is so perfect and everything I do is
1056
00:29:20,820 --> 00:29:22,950
so perfect or I don't understand why this person is so
1057
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:25,170
successful and look at their photos are not even great.
1058
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:25,470
You know,
1059
00:29:25,470 --> 00:29:25,890
it's just like,
1060
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:26,980
that's why,
1061
00:29:27,030 --> 00:29:28,230
like I said earlier in the,
1062
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:28,950
in the podcast,
1063
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:30,210
like I try to keep my head down.
1064
00:29:30,210 --> 00:29:31,290
I actually try really hard,
1065
00:29:31,290 --> 00:29:34,290
not to have too many inputs of different types of like
1066
00:29:34,290 --> 00:29:36,900
media into my head because I feel like the place where
1067
00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:38,790
I create artistically is really,
1068
00:29:38,790 --> 00:29:39,780
really sensitive.
1069
00:29:40,140 --> 00:29:41,650
And like it's made of paper walls,
1070
00:29:41,650 --> 00:29:42,010
you know,
1071
00:29:42,010 --> 00:29:44,500
and anything can blow it down and anything can throw me
1072
00:29:44,500 --> 00:29:44,950
off course.
1073
00:29:45,250 --> 00:29:48,340
And, and as like an artist who feels so deeply,
1074
00:29:48,340 --> 00:29:50,710
I can get thrown off for an entire week if like
1075
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:52,960
something kind of just blows through like on a sort of
1076
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,040
my mentality of,
1077
00:29:54,110 --> 00:29:56,610
I'm just sort of looking forward,
1078
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:57,580
moving forward,
1079
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,490
trying to develop myself all the time to be better,
1080
00:30:00,490 --> 00:30:02,980
a better storyteller for these dogs that I love so much.
1081
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:04,540
I don't have to be careful.
1082
00:30:04,540 --> 00:30:06,160
Like I try not to get too distracted.
1083
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,680
And I'm kind of the reason I say all that is
1084
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,200
because I came from like a,
1085
00:30:11,260 --> 00:30:16,180
like a pretty like low socioeconomic background and as a child
1086
00:30:16,900 --> 00:30:18,520
and Nicole helps me through this all the time.
1087
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:18,910
Cause she said,
1088
00:30:18,910 --> 00:30:20,710
you have these bad voices in your head and you,
1089
00:30:20,770 --> 00:30:22,210
you're not that child anymore.
1090
00:30:22,210 --> 00:30:22,420
You know,
1091
00:30:22,420 --> 00:30:23,110
you've grown up.
1092
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:24,350
And, but I,
1093
00:30:24,350 --> 00:30:27,730
I truly believe that I came from nothing.
1094
00:30:27,730 --> 00:30:28,810
Therefore I am nothing.
1095
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,130
I'll always be nothing.
1096
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,990
I'm never going to be able to get through this like
1097
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:33,010
ceiling of like,
1098
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,380
this was placed upon me by kind of the universe or
1099
00:30:35,380 --> 00:30:36,460
society or whatever.
1100
00:30:36,460 --> 00:30:38,650
And I'm just the poor kid from up the street that
1101
00:30:38,650 --> 00:30:41,320
like, doesn't have whatever it takes inside me.
1102
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,060
And I doubt myself all the time.
1103
00:30:43,060 --> 00:30:43,630
And you know,
1104
00:30:43,660 --> 00:30:44,620
as these things are happening,
1105
00:30:44,620 --> 00:30:45,190
like you said,
1106
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:46,780
like holding up this book that I just wrote,
1107
00:30:46,780 --> 00:30:47,230
which I just,
1108
00:30:47,230 --> 00:30:48,010
I can't even,
1109
00:30:48,010 --> 00:30:50,650
it blows my mind so far across the universe when I
1110
00:30:50,650 --> 00:30:52,280
pick it up and look at it and hold it.
1111
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,380
And I can't believe I did it.
1112
00:30:53,380 --> 00:30:53,830
And you know,
1113
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:54,550
getting to be,
1114
00:30:54,550 --> 00:30:54,820
you know,
1115
00:30:54,830 --> 00:30:57,250
on TV with Nat geo and getting to travel the world
1116
00:30:57,250 --> 00:31:00,760
with you and Charlotte teaching workshops and castles.
1117
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,220
It's so wild.
1118
00:31:03,220 --> 00:31:04,810
And the little kid inside me,
1119
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,190
I think is proud.
1120
00:31:06,220 --> 00:31:08,200
But also that little voice is always there.
1121
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,580
Like, don't you forget Kaylee,
1122
00:31:09,610 --> 00:31:10,810
like where you came from.
1123
00:31:10,810 --> 00:31:12,670
Like you're always going to be trash,
1124
00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:13,060
you know?
1125
00:31:13,180 --> 00:31:14,050
And it's terrible.
1126
00:31:14,050 --> 00:31:14,860
It's terrible thing.
1127
00:31:14,860 --> 00:31:18,460
But I think if I explain this to you guys here
1128
00:31:18,490 --> 00:31:19,030
that like,
1129
00:31:19,030 --> 00:31:20,710
know that like I'm always working,
1130
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:23,050
I'm always working through that to try to be brave and
1131
00:31:23,050 --> 00:31:25,060
to kind of punch fear in the face,
1132
00:31:25,090 --> 00:31:25,480
you know,
1133
00:31:25,630 --> 00:31:27,700
and walk through that fear and do it anyway,
1134
00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:29,080
because I do,
1135
00:31:29,260 --> 00:31:31,690
I think I'll always have that little devil on my shoulder.
1136
00:31:31,690 --> 00:31:32,830
Like you,
1137
00:31:32,860 --> 00:31:35,500
there's only a certain place that people like you can get
1138
00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:37,750
to in life and you're never going to get past it.
1139
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:38,850
So you,
1140
00:31:38,850 --> 00:31:39,250
you know,
1141
00:31:39,250 --> 00:31:40,660
you can try all you want,
1142
00:31:40,660 --> 00:31:41,050
but you know,
1143
00:31:41,050 --> 00:31:43,960
you're never gonna like proceed past a certain point because that's
1144
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,070
how you were born.
1145
00:31:45,070 --> 00:31:46,570
And, and that's a terrible,
1146
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:47,980
that's terrible way to think.
1147
00:31:47,980 --> 00:31:48,610
It's terrible.
1148
00:31:48,610 --> 00:31:50,620
And I try to check myself every day.
1149
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,780
I try to check myself often and say like,
1150
00:31:52,810 --> 00:31:53,050
you know,
1151
00:31:53,050 --> 00:31:54,250
you're doing great or whatever,
1152
00:31:54,250 --> 00:31:57,070
and you're moving through it and don't worry about those nasty
1153
00:31:57,070 --> 00:31:57,820
little voices,
1154
00:31:57,850 --> 00:31:58,210
you know,
1155
00:31:58,210 --> 00:31:58,630
that little,
1156
00:31:58,630 --> 00:32:00,370
little cloud above your head or whatever.
1157
00:32:00,730 --> 00:32:02,920
And I am really proud of what I've been able to
1158
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:03,550
push through.
1159
00:32:03,550 --> 00:32:05,050
But I think even,
1160
00:32:05,140 --> 00:32:05,380
you know,
1161
00:32:05,380 --> 00:32:06,340
for all of us,
1162
00:32:06,370 --> 00:32:07,420
something like that,
1163
00:32:07,420 --> 00:32:08,920
somewhere exists inside of us.
1164
00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:09,400
I mean,
1165
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,860
unless you're sociopath and you don't feel feelings at all,
1166
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:15,130
I was going to say,
1167
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,050
I think on the feeling scale,
1168
00:32:17,050 --> 00:32:19,960
I'm more on the Sam side of feelings.
1169
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,460
Like I'm very logical and,
1170
00:32:21,970 --> 00:32:22,540
and you know,
1171
00:32:22,540 --> 00:32:23,290
and you know,
1172
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,140
every bark I ended up being in like a pile of
1173
00:32:26,140 --> 00:32:26,870
tears at the end,
1174
00:32:30,390 --> 00:32:31,390
but yeah,
1175
00:32:31,390 --> 00:32:32,580
I'm very logical and,
1176
00:32:32,580 --> 00:32:33,730
and it is what it is.
1177
00:32:33,730 --> 00:32:34,570
And, but I,
1178
00:32:34,570 --> 00:32:34,870
you know,
1179
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:36,040
it's the same exact thing.
1180
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:37,300
It's the same thing of like,
1181
00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:38,470
who am I to do this?
1182
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:41,330
Who am I to have this business where,
1183
00:32:41,330 --> 00:32:41,900
you know,
1184
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,130
to, to teach other people who am I to teach workshops
1185
00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:46,820
on the craft?
1186
00:32:46,820 --> 00:32:48,980
Like my is a business brain,
1187
00:32:49,130 --> 00:32:49,430
you know,
1188
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:49,790
it's just,
1189
00:32:49,790 --> 00:32:51,260
it takes a long time,
1190
00:32:51,290 --> 00:32:51,740
you know,
1191
00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:52,300
to, to,
1192
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:52,610
I guess,
1193
00:32:52,610 --> 00:32:55,010
get over it and tell that voice to shut the hell
1194
00:32:55,010 --> 00:32:56,840
up, you know,
1195
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,490
and just keep on moving.
1196
00:32:58,490 --> 00:32:59,180
So yeah,
1197
00:32:59,210 --> 00:33:01,040
for all of you guys out there that have that voice
1198
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:01,400
in your head,
1199
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,720
which again is all of you,
1200
00:33:03,050 --> 00:33:05,870
unless you're a sociopath or you're really not listening,
1201
00:33:08,180 --> 00:33:08,630
you know,
1202
00:33:09,020 --> 00:33:11,240
you're in good company is it happens to all of us.
1203
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,330
And, and the trick is to just to keep going and
1204
00:33:14,330 --> 00:33:17,000
to, to sometimes to find a friend to help you rewrite
1205
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,640
that story and look at it from a different perspective.
1206
00:33:19,700 --> 00:33:20,210
You know,
1207
00:33:20,210 --> 00:33:22,820
I know a lot of people get really concerned with,
1208
00:33:23,060 --> 00:33:23,570
oh God,
1209
00:33:23,570 --> 00:33:24,410
no, one's going to pay this.
1210
00:33:24,410 --> 00:33:26,420
Who am I to ask for this much for my work?
1211
00:33:26,660 --> 00:33:27,710
And you know,
1212
00:33:27,740 --> 00:33:30,050
it's easy to then from the outside to say,
1213
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,660
no, these people are lining up like excited to pay you.
1214
00:33:32,660 --> 00:33:34,610
They want to pay you for your work.
1215
00:33:34,730 --> 00:33:37,070
You're not like making them pay for anything.
1216
00:33:37,070 --> 00:33:38,480
They're, they're really excited about it,
1217
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:39,380
where us,
1218
00:33:39,410 --> 00:33:40,670
we can't see that side of it,
1219
00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:42,950
but you need sometimes somebody else from the outside to look
1220
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:43,580
at it and say,
1221
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:44,420
smack, smack,
1222
00:33:44,420 --> 00:33:46,430
smack, That's exactly what you do for me,
1223
00:33:46,430 --> 00:33:47,150
Nicole. It's like,
1224
00:33:47,450 --> 00:33:48,650
I need sometimes,
1225
00:33:48,650 --> 00:33:48,860
you know,
1226
00:33:48,860 --> 00:33:50,540
to sit down with you and hear that because that's one
1227
00:33:50,540 --> 00:33:50,990
of the most,
1228
00:33:51,140 --> 00:33:53,810
that's stuck with me more than anything else you've ever said
1229
00:33:53,810 --> 00:33:56,900
to me is how excited people are to spend money with,
1230
00:33:56,900 --> 00:33:58,520
with me or with people who make,
1231
00:33:58,670 --> 00:33:58,910
you know,
1232
00:33:59,180 --> 00:34:02,600
like amazing special once in lifetime imagery of the thing they
1233
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,820
love more than anything else on earth is their,
1234
00:34:04,820 --> 00:34:06,440
their dog or their cat or whatever,
1235
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:06,980
their pets.
1236
00:34:07,140 --> 00:34:10,310
And, and it's always stuck with me because I do as
1237
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:12,890
like the psychology of pricing as a poor kid,
1238
00:34:12,890 --> 00:34:13,220
you know,
1239
00:34:13,220 --> 00:34:14,230
who like right now,
1240
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,790
my situation in life is different and it's so weird and
1241
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:17,540
wild. And like,
1242
00:34:17,540 --> 00:34:20,720
I can't believe the things that I've been able to achieve.
1243
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:22,850
And I still pinch myself and do this thing where I
1244
00:34:22,850 --> 00:34:25,220
give myself no credit at all for anything I'm like,
1245
00:34:25,250 --> 00:34:25,450
oh no,
1246
00:34:25,450 --> 00:34:25,640
no, no,
1247
00:34:25,700 --> 00:34:26,240
it was just luck.
1248
00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:26,750
Or it was,
1249
00:34:27,170 --> 00:34:27,590
I dunno,
1250
00:34:27,590 --> 00:34:29,480
I don't know why they paid me that much for this.
1251
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:30,200
I'm not really sure,
1252
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,100
but it's just really,
1253
00:34:31,730 --> 00:34:32,330
you know what I mean?
1254
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:33,140
I just,
1255
00:34:33,140 --> 00:34:35,120
that's what I do is still chalk everything up to like,
1256
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,710
just kind of circumstance and luck or whatever.
1257
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:37,250
But you,
1258
00:34:37,250 --> 00:34:38,120
you said that to me,
1259
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,430
and that really stuck with me because like I said,
1260
00:34:40,430 --> 00:34:41,090
like growing up,
1261
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:41,390
you know,
1262
00:34:41,390 --> 00:34:44,660
where like the value of a dollar was very much like
1263
00:34:44,660 --> 00:34:46,340
reiterated over and over again,
1264
00:34:46,370 --> 00:34:47,390
day in and day out.
1265
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:48,260
And you know,
1266
00:34:48,260 --> 00:34:50,210
we couldn't buy like fancy,
1267
00:34:50,210 --> 00:34:50,510
you know,
1268
00:34:50,510 --> 00:34:52,100
like new clothes or fancy,
1269
00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:52,430
you know,
1270
00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:54,380
we live in a little tiny house and,
1271
00:34:54,380 --> 00:34:54,590
you know,
1272
00:34:54,590 --> 00:34:57,410
whatever for me to charge what,
1273
00:34:57,500 --> 00:34:59,390
like my parents would spend on like,
1274
00:34:59,790 --> 00:35:01,010
like groceries in a year,
1275
00:35:01,610 --> 00:35:04,340
like, Oh my God,
1276
00:35:04,340 --> 00:35:06,500
this does not compute Very hard for me.
1277
00:35:06,500 --> 00:35:06,860
It's very,
1278
00:35:06,860 --> 00:35:07,190
and I,
1279
00:35:07,460 --> 00:35:09,380
then you tell me this and Sam tells me this,
1280
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,420
Kayla, you're not pricing for yourself.
1281
00:35:11,450 --> 00:35:13,220
You're not pricing for people who,
1282
00:35:13,420 --> 00:35:14,120
you're not pricing.
1283
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:15,140
You're not selling it to yourself.
1284
00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:15,980
You can have,
1285
00:35:15,980 --> 00:35:17,630
and you can have the pro bono stuff.
1286
00:35:17,660 --> 00:35:20,300
If you want to do something special for someone in a
1287
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:21,770
situation that can't,
1288
00:35:21,770 --> 00:35:22,340
you know,
1289
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:23,810
can't afford what we do.
1290
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,100
Like there's still pro bono work,
1291
00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:25,550
but yeah,
1292
00:35:25,550 --> 00:35:25,880
you've got,
1293
00:35:25,940 --> 00:35:27,440
you've got to get paid to write.
1294
00:35:29,060 --> 00:35:30,130
I was in like a couple,
1295
00:35:30,140 --> 00:35:30,380
I mean,
1296
00:35:30,380 --> 00:35:32,150
it's been a while because the world's been closed for a
1297
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:32,600
long time,
1298
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,720
but the Prudential center in Boston and which has this like
1299
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,470
really fancy shopping center,
1300
00:35:37,470 --> 00:35:38,820
like a fancy mall or whatever.
1301
00:35:38,820 --> 00:35:41,010
And I don't often spend time in places like that,
1302
00:35:41,070 --> 00:35:42,300
but I was there for whatever reason.
1303
00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:43,530
And I was walking by this shop.
1304
00:35:43,620 --> 00:35:45,240
I cannot remember the designer name,
1305
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:47,280
but it was some really fancy clothes designer.
1306
00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:50,760
And there were selling mostly denim and it was kind of
1307
00:35:51,150 --> 00:35:51,870
just ugly,
1308
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,720
ugly ass normal to me,
1309
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:55,410
that's what it looked like.
1310
00:35:55,410 --> 00:35:57,660
Right. But the store was packed and I'm like,
1311
00:35:57,720 --> 00:35:59,490
wow, I guess I'll just go see what all the fuss
1312
00:35:59,490 --> 00:35:59,910
is about.
1313
00:36:00,030 --> 00:36:01,770
So I walk in and I'm like looking around and I
1314
00:36:01,770 --> 00:36:02,850
pick up like a pair of like,
1315
00:36:02,850 --> 00:36:03,030
you know,
1316
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:06,450
like mom jeans that just look totally normal from the eighties.
1317
00:36:06,450 --> 00:36:07,080
Like, I guess that's,
1318
00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:07,920
I don't know,
1319
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,180
man. I pick them up now,
1320
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:09,930
these aren't great.
1321
00:36:10,020 --> 00:36:13,640
And then I look at the tag and they're $1,400.
1322
00:36:16,890 --> 00:36:18,990
And then now I service lab.
1323
00:36:19,140 --> 00:36:22,020
I do travel the whole world and the country shooting.
1324
00:36:22,020 --> 00:36:23,850
But mostly my clients are in Boston.
1325
00:36:23,850 --> 00:36:25,110
I mostly service Boston.
1326
00:36:25,110 --> 00:36:27,480
So to me that was like a little slice of life
1327
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:28,650
of this Boston area.
1328
00:36:28,650 --> 00:36:29,130
Like, you know,
1329
00:36:29,130 --> 00:36:30,360
MIT, Harvard,
1330
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,910
grad, like cheat meal kids.
1331
00:36:32,910 --> 00:36:34,020
Like that's what they love.
1332
00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:35,490
They love a nice period,
1333
00:36:35,490 --> 00:36:37,770
$1,400 freaking eighties jeans,
1334
00:36:37,770 --> 00:36:39,150
man, let him have it.
1335
00:36:39,150 --> 00:36:41,640
But then When you go to the thrift shop down the
1336
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,140
road for five Bucks.
1337
00:36:47,220 --> 00:36:49,110
But I definitely in that moment,
1338
00:36:49,110 --> 00:36:49,830
I kind of was like,
1339
00:36:49,860 --> 00:36:52,380
wow, I really don't feel bad for charging,
1340
00:36:52,380 --> 00:36:52,740
you know,
1341
00:36:52,830 --> 00:36:55,410
$3,000 for a photo shoot.
1342
00:36:55,830 --> 00:36:57,120
Yes. We need to do that.
1343
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,180
Sometimes just look around at these different prices.
1344
00:37:00,180 --> 00:37:03,000
I have my one credit card gives me like a $50,
1345
00:37:03,090 --> 00:37:05,370
twice a year credit at Saks fifth avenue,
1346
00:37:05,370 --> 00:37:06,690
which I never ever go there,
1347
00:37:06,690 --> 00:37:07,110
except for like,
1348
00:37:07,140 --> 00:37:08,550
I have 50 bucks to spend for free.
1349
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:09,440
I should go check it out.
1350
00:37:09,450 --> 00:37:09,720
I'm like,
1351
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:12,000
oh, I can't afford anything here for $50.
1352
00:37:13,380 --> 00:37:15,420
And I did just find out they have like food and
1353
00:37:15,420 --> 00:37:16,110
cookies and stuff.
1354
00:37:16,140 --> 00:37:16,410
But like,
1355
00:37:16,410 --> 00:37:18,270
yes, that's what I'll spend that on next time.
1356
00:37:18,420 --> 00:37:19,290
But yeah.
1357
00:37:19,290 --> 00:37:19,680
You know,
1358
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,960
sometimes you just need to look at that to be like,
1359
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:22,290
whoa, whoa,
1360
00:37:22,290 --> 00:37:27,540
whoa. My story of what's quote expensive is different than a
1361
00:37:27,540 --> 00:37:28,680
lot of other people's.
1362
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:29,550
And likewise,
1363
00:37:29,550 --> 00:37:31,740
there's going to be people that no matter what we charge,
1364
00:37:31,740 --> 00:37:33,840
if we charge $25 for a shoot,
1365
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,120
someone is going to tell us that is too expensive.
1366
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:37,140
And you know,
1367
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:40,230
so would you rather work for 25 bucks or $5,000?
1368
00:37:40,260 --> 00:37:40,590
You know,
1369
00:37:40,590 --> 00:37:42,240
it's going to be too expensive for somebody,
1370
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:43,440
but it's also going to be,
1371
00:37:43,530 --> 00:37:43,980
oh, okay.
1372
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,000
Plenty of people.
1373
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:45,390
And like,
1374
00:37:45,390 --> 00:37:46,140
and like you said,
1375
00:37:46,140 --> 00:37:48,270
like had the amount of clients that I have that show
1376
00:37:48,270 --> 00:37:52,200
up that are so thrilled about like the experience and the
1377
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:52,770
money they have.
1378
00:37:52,770 --> 00:37:56,010
No, they're excited to give me a check for six grand
1379
00:37:56,010 --> 00:37:56,430
or whatever,
1380
00:37:56,430 --> 00:37:58,980
just on the shoot day at the location or whatever it
1381
00:37:58,980 --> 00:37:59,190
is. I mean,
1382
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:59,550
we actually,
1383
00:37:59,550 --> 00:38:00,750
we take payment beforehand now,
1384
00:38:00,750 --> 00:38:02,880
so it doesn't get like awkward or weird or someone doesn't
1385
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:03,870
pay, but you know,
1386
00:38:03,870 --> 00:38:04,860
it's, you're just like,
1387
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,720
oh, but they're thrilled.
1388
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:07,740
They're not upset about it.
1389
00:38:07,740 --> 00:38:08,460
They're not mad.
1390
00:38:08,540 --> 00:38:09,960
Like, can't wait for the experience.
1391
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,130
They can't wait for the final photos.
1392
00:38:11,130 --> 00:38:12,390
They typically rave,
1393
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:12,630
you know,
1394
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:14,760
you hope you make every client rave about it.
1395
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:15,960
And I just can't,
1396
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:19,920
I still feel like uncomfortable discussing like that stuff with my
1397
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,420
family, except for,
1398
00:38:21,420 --> 00:38:23,250
because they are just don't get it.
1399
00:38:23,250 --> 00:38:25,620
They can't imagine they can't do that.
1400
00:38:25,620 --> 00:38:26,130
Like you said,
1401
00:38:26,130 --> 00:38:28,440
they can't imagine spending 50 bucks on a photo shoot,
1402
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,550
like $50.
1403
00:38:29,550 --> 00:38:32,310
That's $50.
1404
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:33,870
Like he could just get a,
1405
00:38:33,900 --> 00:38:35,640
we could use our I-phones and it ourselves.
1406
00:38:35,740 --> 00:38:36,910
That's kind of where I come from.
1407
00:38:37,780 --> 00:38:39,130
That's not a necessity.
1408
00:38:39,130 --> 00:38:39,880
God loves them.
1409
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:40,690
That's out of necessity.
1410
00:38:40,690 --> 00:38:42,880
My parents had the very best that they could do for
1411
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,820
us. And I'm so grateful because they showered me with love
1412
00:38:45,820 --> 00:38:47,650
and they made me believe that I could do anything.
1413
00:38:47,950 --> 00:38:48,400
And so,
1414
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,660
because of that love,
1415
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:50,710
even if it was,
1416
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:51,010
you know,
1417
00:38:51,010 --> 00:38:52,930
not the most lavish upbringing,
1418
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,770
it made me have the confidence to,
1419
00:38:54,770 --> 00:38:56,830
to stand up and talk to that little nasty voice in
1420
00:38:56,830 --> 00:38:57,610
my head and say like,
1421
00:38:57,610 --> 00:38:58,060
you know what,
1422
00:38:58,090 --> 00:38:58,520
you're wrong?
1423
00:38:58,540 --> 00:38:59,020
I'm smack,
1424
00:38:59,020 --> 00:38:59,530
smack, smack.
1425
00:38:59,530 --> 00:39:00,850
Like you told me smack,
1426
00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:09,610
Get out of there So much,
1427
00:39:09,610 --> 00:39:11,290
like psychology involved in all of this.
1428
00:39:11,290 --> 00:39:13,570
That's just photograph dogs and kiss him on the face.
1429
00:39:13,690 --> 00:39:16,030
Because the last thing that we can kiss anyways now,
1430
00:39:16,060 --> 00:39:17,260
since it can't kiss people,
1431
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,950
I know I can still kiss my horse and my cat.
1432
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:22,030
Who's sending it on my lap right here.
1433
00:39:22,030 --> 00:39:23,500
But she went like that children then bite me.
1434
00:39:28,570 --> 00:39:29,950
No, don't you have one of your emails.
1435
00:39:29,950 --> 00:39:31,180
Signatures makes me so happy.
1436
00:39:31,180 --> 00:39:31,990
I think it's your cat.
1437
00:39:32,020 --> 00:39:32,500
It's Emma,
1438
00:39:32,530 --> 00:39:35,410
right? Like pat me on the butt right here and then
1439
00:39:35,410 --> 00:39:39,190
I'll bite you or something And just like person scratches.
1440
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:41,230
I love it.
1441
00:39:41,590 --> 00:39:42,280
Yes. All my,
1442
00:39:42,580 --> 00:39:46,120
all of my business emails that come the automated ones that
1443
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,080
come out of my business.
1444
00:39:47,140 --> 00:39:47,470
Cause I,
1445
00:39:47,470 --> 00:39:47,860
you know,
1446
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,680
I don't want them to pretend to be me because I
1447
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,020
want my audience or my clients to know that,
1448
00:39:53,050 --> 00:39:54,490
oh, it was automated,
1449
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,350
but it's fun because it comes from the cat.
1450
00:39:56,380 --> 00:39:57,010
Oh my God.
1451
00:39:57,010 --> 00:39:57,250
I love it.
1452
00:39:57,820 --> 00:39:58,480
But it's fun.
1453
00:39:59,290 --> 00:40:01,540
Yeah, that would definitely tell me.
1454
00:40:02,650 --> 00:40:03,310
And yeah,
1455
00:40:03,310 --> 00:40:04,750
the people that don't see the humor in that.
1456
00:40:04,750 --> 00:40:05,410
Well, you know,
1457
00:40:05,620 --> 00:40:06,610
they're not my client.
1458
00:40:07,870 --> 00:40:09,580
Well, I wanted to ask you about,
1459
00:40:09,610 --> 00:40:12,730
because you wrote a book to sitting here,
1460
00:40:12,730 --> 00:40:14,170
Nicole to Otto.
1461
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:16,810
That was never,
1462
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,400
that was never on my to-do list.
1463
00:40:19,540 --> 00:40:22,180
Yeah. So what was the process of writing a book like
1464
00:40:22,180 --> 00:40:22,990
for you?
1465
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:30,190
Well, mine had a lot less words than yours Because words,
1466
00:40:30,190 --> 00:40:31,420
words, words are my favorite thing.
1467
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:33,640
I love it.
1468
00:40:33,790 --> 00:40:34,720
Communications major.
1469
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:35,680
That's all you need to know.
1470
00:40:36,670 --> 00:40:37,630
That's built around words.
1471
00:40:38,050 --> 00:40:39,100
No, but I just,
1472
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,150
for my brain,
1473
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:41,470
how I do many things,
1474
00:40:41,470 --> 00:40:43,450
it started with a Trello board and swear,
1475
00:40:43,450 --> 00:40:45,340
I should like be a spokesperson for Trello.
1476
00:40:46,930 --> 00:40:49,690
And then it was just like outlines of what I need
1477
00:40:49,690 --> 00:40:52,420
to, what I needed to write in the nice thing about
1478
00:40:52,420 --> 00:40:53,160
it. As a work time,
1479
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,100
my brain worked too,
1480
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:56,620
is it didn't need to be like these big chapters of
1481
00:40:56,620 --> 00:40:57,370
a lot of writing.
1482
00:40:57,370 --> 00:40:58,450
That was like little sections.
1483
00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:59,020
So it was,
1484
00:40:59,260 --> 00:40:59,560
you know,
1485
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,740
we're talking about the shoot and exposure and working with dogs
1486
00:41:02,740 --> 00:41:03,490
and getting attention.
1487
00:41:03,490 --> 00:41:05,860
Like I could compartmentalize all the little things and it was
1488
00:41:05,860 --> 00:41:08,080
like a picture and a blur picture and a blurry picture
1489
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:08,530
and a blurb.
1490
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,770
So it was just getting the whole flow and figuring out
1491
00:41:11,770 --> 00:41:14,320
what I needed to talk about and watch different areas and,
1492
00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:15,520
and writing that all out.
1493
00:41:16,180 --> 00:41:17,110
But what if you didn't know,
1494
00:41:17,110 --> 00:41:19,510
like how did you feel when you like actually held it
1495
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:20,290
in your hand?
1496
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:21,550
Oh, It was pretty cool.
1497
00:41:23,770 --> 00:41:26,110
Did you walk into like Barnes and noble and like find
1498
00:41:26,110 --> 00:41:26,890
it, do you see it there?
1499
00:41:27,250 --> 00:41:32,350
I did Once Tell everyone around the store and hold it.
1500
00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:39,410
I know it's amazing to me though.
1501
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,640
Even more than the book,
1502
00:41:40,670 --> 00:41:44,180
like is when I see something of mine printed really big,
1503
00:41:44,750 --> 00:41:45,980
like something on the wall,
1504
00:41:46,460 --> 00:41:47,120
it just,
1505
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:48,230
it's just my,
1506
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:50,780
why I'm actually in the process for my photography side of
1507
00:41:50,780 --> 00:41:51,350
my business.
1508
00:41:51,350 --> 00:41:55,220
I'm like taking the whole table going and rebuilding it and
1509
00:41:55,220 --> 00:41:55,640
I'm like,
1510
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:56,450
oh yeah,
1511
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,330
I'm totally redoing how,
1512
00:41:59,390 --> 00:42:00,830
how it's structured.
1513
00:42:00,830 --> 00:42:01,850
Like not,
1514
00:42:01,910 --> 00:42:03,440
it's not following any rules.
1515
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:06,230
I am totally taking any like all the things and like,
1516
00:42:06,260 --> 00:42:07,850
how, why do I like to do this?
1517
00:42:07,850 --> 00:42:09,050
What do I want to do?
1518
00:42:09,050 --> 00:42:10,430
How do I want this to look?
1519
00:42:10,460 --> 00:42:12,350
I don't care what the best practices are.
1520
00:42:12,350 --> 00:42:14,600
I'm going to test some different things that I think will
1521
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:15,920
work. And I'm pretty excited about,
1522
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:16,730
That's amazing.
1523
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,380
That's the kind of confidence too,
1524
00:42:18,380 --> 00:42:21,890
that comes with time and focus and like,
1525
00:42:21,890 --> 00:42:22,520
you know,
1526
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,860
exactly kind of who you are as an artist now.
1527
00:42:24,890 --> 00:42:26,270
And I think over the,
1528
00:42:26,330 --> 00:42:28,280
like at the beginning it was the same for me.
1529
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:28,700
Like, oh,
1530
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:29,210
okay, wait,
1531
00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:30,110
how do I do this?
1532
00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:31,910
Are you supposed to price it like this?
1533
00:42:32,090 --> 00:42:34,040
Are you supposed to make it where you're supposed to?
1534
00:42:34,130 --> 00:42:36,500
So you like kind of look around and you get distracted
1535
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:37,610
and you see what other people are doing.
1536
00:42:37,610 --> 00:42:37,940
And you're like,
1537
00:42:37,970 --> 00:42:41,810
oh, I guess it's supposed to be like $295 for collection
1538
00:42:41,810 --> 00:42:42,950
that has these three things,
1539
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:43,190
you know,
1540
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:44,390
like you don't really know.
1541
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:45,740
So you're just doing the best you can.
1542
00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:47,960
And I never took any workshops or anything.
1543
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,070
I didn't have any money I had,
1544
00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:50,420
I didn't even have my own camera.
1545
00:42:50,420 --> 00:42:51,410
I was borrowing them.
1546
00:42:51,450 --> 00:42:51,950
Like I was.
1547
00:42:51,950 --> 00:42:53,120
So I hate to say it,
1548
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,590
but I don't want to say poor because that's,
1549
00:42:54,590 --> 00:42:55,520
I mean you a boots,
1550
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:55,910
but I was,
1551
00:42:56,180 --> 00:42:57,020
yeah. I was just,
1552
00:42:57,020 --> 00:42:57,350
you know,
1553
00:42:57,350 --> 00:42:59,600
doing the best that I could with my little tiny bank
1554
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:00,890
account. And it was,
1555
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:01,370
you know,
1556
00:43:01,370 --> 00:43:03,620
I wasn't doing workshops or I was just doing the best
1557
00:43:03,620 --> 00:43:06,320
I could with like Googling staff and researching and you know,
1558
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:06,860
and so that's,
1559
00:43:06,860 --> 00:43:09,740
you kind of feel really alone in this like big giant,
1560
00:43:09,740 --> 00:43:12,560
see like a little tiny fish in a big sea going,
1561
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,320
whoa, if I going to am going to grow up or
1562
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,250
give my term,
1563
00:43:16,250 --> 00:43:17,470
my class and lady turned,
1564
00:43:17,470 --> 00:43:19,940
but if I'm going to grow giant balls and try to
1565
00:43:19,940 --> 00:43:22,140
move through this like part and,
1566
00:43:22,140 --> 00:43:24,710
and, and put myself out there and maybe fail,
1567
00:43:25,130 --> 00:43:26,780
I guess I got to figure out like how to do
1568
00:43:26,780 --> 00:43:27,500
it. And so that,
1569
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:28,700
that's when I started to,
1570
00:43:28,700 --> 00:43:29,270
it was the same,
1571
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:29,570
just like,
1572
00:43:29,570 --> 00:43:30,980
what does everyone else do?
1573
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,280
And I think when I stopped thinking about what does everyone
1574
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,770
else do is when like everything changed for me.
1575
00:43:36,830 --> 00:43:38,180
I don't care what everyone else does.
1576
00:43:38,210 --> 00:43:39,230
This is what I'm in to do.
1577
00:43:39,500 --> 00:43:40,190
Yeah. And,
1578
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,930
and that works on a business level that works on a
1579
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:43,970
craft level.
1580
00:43:43,970 --> 00:43:44,930
Like, you know,
1581
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,110
there's, cause I think so many people look at whether,
1582
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:48,530
you know,
1583
00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:49,760
looking at someone successful,
1584
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,820
how they structure their business or looking at what they're shooting.
1585
00:43:52,820 --> 00:43:53,240
And they're like,
1586
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:55,040
well, that must be the key to success.
1587
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:56,630
It's not the key to success.
1588
00:43:56,660 --> 00:43:59,450
The key to the success is that passion of this is
1589
00:43:59,450 --> 00:44:00,560
why I'm doing this.
1590
00:44:00,650 --> 00:44:02,660
And, and this is what works for me.
1591
00:44:02,660 --> 00:44:04,580
And this was my heart and soul being put out into
1592
00:44:04,580 --> 00:44:05,090
the world.
1593
00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:06,320
And you can't,
1594
00:44:06,410 --> 00:44:08,990
you can't copy that because it just doesn't work.
1595
00:44:09,260 --> 00:44:12,170
So when you actually just start to block out the noise
1596
00:44:12,170 --> 00:44:12,680
and say,
1597
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,270
what do I want to do?
1598
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,050
What do,
1599
00:44:15,050 --> 00:44:17,990
what, what do I want to create negative space for me?
1600
00:44:20,270 --> 00:44:22,010
I have a nickname at the barcodes.
1601
00:44:22,010 --> 00:44:22,760
I'm negative space,
1602
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:24,290
Nicole, because all the images I love,
1603
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:24,590
I'm like,
1604
00:44:24,620 --> 00:44:29,090
ah, see the negative space At the bottom,
1605
00:44:29,090 --> 00:44:29,600
right corner.
1606
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,370
A big that's my favorite.
1607
00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:34,360
Yeah. But it's,
1608
00:44:34,370 --> 00:44:38,040
it's when you start to really just look at creating things
1609
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,130
from your heart is when the magic starts to happen.
1610
00:44:41,130 --> 00:44:42,180
And at the very beginning,
1611
00:44:42,180 --> 00:44:44,130
we do need to look and kind of see what other
1612
00:44:44,130 --> 00:44:45,360
people are doing just to kind of,
1613
00:44:45,390 --> 00:44:46,380
cause we have no idea.
1614
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,810
So we maybe start collecting this different information,
1615
00:44:48,810 --> 00:44:51,210
but the key is to collect this different information and like
1616
00:44:51,210 --> 00:44:52,710
put it in a big masher and be like,
1617
00:44:52,740 --> 00:44:55,410
what do I like from all of these different pieces and
1618
00:44:55,410 --> 00:44:57,450
start picking out bits and pieces of your own.
1619
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,150
And then you get to a point where you've now learned
1620
00:45:00,180 --> 00:45:03,270
how to do these basics and then you start creating new
1621
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:04,440
pieces on your own.
1622
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:05,640
And then all of a sudden,
1623
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:06,060
you know,
1624
00:45:06,090 --> 00:45:06,720
it's all,
1625
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:07,010
it's all,
1626
00:45:08,090 --> 00:45:09,090
That's exactly right.
1627
00:45:09,090 --> 00:45:09,720
And I think like,
1628
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:11,580
that's the thing is you're going to be,
1629
00:45:11,790 --> 00:45:13,680
you want to be not somebody else.
1630
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,510
You don't want to be like the second version of somebody
1631
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:18,060
else, the third version of somebody else you want to be
1632
00:45:18,060 --> 00:45:19,320
the first you.
1633
00:45:19,410 --> 00:45:22,350
And I think that was a really big part in terms
1634
00:45:22,350 --> 00:45:25,050
of like both of our different paths that we've gone down
1635
00:45:25,050 --> 00:45:26,310
and our different successes.
1636
00:45:26,490 --> 00:45:29,070
And I feel really humbled by the fact that,
1637
00:45:29,130 --> 00:45:29,310
you know,
1638
00:45:29,310 --> 00:45:30,000
people will say,
1639
00:45:30,030 --> 00:45:31,800
oh, I know your work before I,
1640
00:45:32,460 --> 00:45:34,290
before I even look at who shot it,
1641
00:45:34,290 --> 00:45:34,560
you know,
1642
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,120
I don't look at who posted it.
1643
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,050
I just see that photo.
1644
00:45:37,050 --> 00:45:39,510
And I go that's Kaylee's and that's so humbling to me
1645
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:42,780
as an artist that is like the most beautiful compliment because
1646
00:45:42,780 --> 00:45:44,520
it's so uniquely me,
1647
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:45,840
it comes from my soul.
1648
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:48,930
It comes from that place deep down inside from that five-year-old
1649
00:45:48,930 --> 00:45:50,640
version of me that would go screaming,
1650
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,950
flailing, running across the street at every passing dog,
1651
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:53,490
I would see.
1652
00:45:53,790 --> 00:45:56,520
And it was like seeing them like Kings and Queens of
1653
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:57,180
their dominion,
1654
00:45:57,180 --> 00:45:58,500
seeing them like superheroes,
1655
00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:00,810
like seeing the world as a comic book with colors and
1656
00:46:01,110 --> 00:46:01,980
flashing lights.
1657
00:46:01,980 --> 00:46:03,780
And it's always been that way for me.
1658
00:46:03,780 --> 00:46:06,780
So, so seeing this very like personal vision of,
1659
00:46:06,810 --> 00:46:07,830
of mine,
1660
00:46:07,830 --> 00:46:09,600
especially the child in me,
1661
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,340
like coming out in these images,
1662
00:46:12,030 --> 00:46:14,220
when I started to find sort of that style,
1663
00:46:14,220 --> 00:46:14,730
it was like,
1664
00:46:14,820 --> 00:46:17,790
oh, that's when I stopped giving up doing what other people
1665
00:46:17,790 --> 00:46:20,370
were doing and looking for what I wanted to say about
1666
00:46:20,370 --> 00:46:20,850
the world,
1667
00:46:20,910 --> 00:46:22,290
like my own unique viewpoint.
1668
00:46:22,290 --> 00:46:23,400
And that's when everything changed.
1669
00:46:23,610 --> 00:46:25,140
That's when everything really blew up.
1670
00:46:25,170 --> 00:46:25,440
I mean,
1671
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,630
I was booking sessions and I was busy before,
1672
00:46:27,660 --> 00:46:27,840
you know,
1673
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,610
I really had a very distinct style,
1674
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:32,490
but as soon as I really developed who I was and
1675
00:46:32,490 --> 00:46:36,480
my own unique voice through millions of hours of trial and
1676
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,780
error and lots of weird dreams and lots of inspiration and
1677
00:46:39,780 --> 00:46:40,620
watching, you know,
1678
00:46:40,620 --> 00:46:41,970
like lots of movies,
1679
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,690
I love movies and books and just imagining all kinds of
1680
00:46:45,690 --> 00:46:46,590
wild things.
1681
00:46:46,590 --> 00:46:48,120
And it sorta came together eventually.
1682
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:48,690
And after that,
1683
00:46:48,690 --> 00:46:49,200
it was like,
1684
00:46:49,230 --> 00:46:50,280
okay, this is,
1685
00:46:50,310 --> 00:46:51,150
this is my,
1686
00:46:51,180 --> 00:46:52,020
this is my thing.
1687
00:46:52,020 --> 00:46:54,750
And that's when sort of it all really fell together.
1688
00:46:54,750 --> 00:46:57,330
And dog breath became busier than I could've ever imagined.
1689
00:46:57,660 --> 00:46:58,660
And this the same with you,
1690
00:46:58,660 --> 00:46:58,980
with you,
1691
00:46:58,980 --> 00:46:59,790
what you're doing with Tara,
1692
00:46:59,790 --> 00:47:00,300
the dog,
1693
00:47:00,660 --> 00:47:02,550
no, one's done this before in the pet,
1694
00:47:02,610 --> 00:47:04,800
in the pet space like you are,
1695
00:47:04,830 --> 00:47:05,280
you know what,
1696
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:06,180
I'm not really sure.
1697
00:47:06,180 --> 00:47:07,080
Like if anyone's,
1698
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:07,410
you know,
1699
00:47:07,410 --> 00:47:09,690
what else other people are doing and the teaching space,
1700
00:47:09,690 --> 00:47:10,200
for example,
1701
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,630
but you're going to come up with this new sort of
1702
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:13,290
thing. Anyway,
1703
00:47:13,290 --> 00:47:15,210
you're going to come up with this new webinar or this
1704
00:47:15,210 --> 00:47:16,440
new, you know,
1705
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:17,730
program that you have or whatever,
1706
00:47:17,730 --> 00:47:19,590
and everything you do blows me away.
1707
00:47:19,590 --> 00:47:23,610
It's so amazing to me because I'm really genuinely super inspired
1708
00:47:23,610 --> 00:47:23,850
by you,
1709
00:47:23,850 --> 00:47:26,610
Nicole, because I am the opposite of a business person.
1710
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:28,920
I am such a terrible business person and we know,
1711
00:47:29,140 --> 00:47:31,960
right. We've had like this long storied history of Nicole trying
1712
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:32,980
to help me through the hard parts.
1713
00:47:32,980 --> 00:47:35,260
Cause I feel I'm very much the other side of the
1714
00:47:35,260 --> 00:47:35,950
brain from her.
1715
00:47:35,950 --> 00:47:37,060
Like she's very practical.
1716
00:47:37,060 --> 00:47:38,050
She's very logical.
1717
00:47:38,050 --> 00:47:39,560
She's a really strong thinkers.
1718
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,110
She, I am very,
1719
00:47:41,140 --> 00:47:41,620
you know,
1720
00:47:41,620 --> 00:47:43,870
a kind of a dreamer and a fly by the seat
1721
00:47:43,870 --> 00:47:46,060
of my pants and it don't really know what's happening tomorrow,
1722
00:47:46,060 --> 00:47:46,330
but I'm,
1723
00:47:46,930 --> 00:47:48,040
I don't want to sing about it.
1724
00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:48,880
I'm just going to say,
1725
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,290
it's, it's really wonderful to be able to work with you
1726
00:47:53,290 --> 00:47:56,470
professionally and not just be your friend in general because we
1727
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:59,560
really balance each other out in those lines Do get each
1728
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,950
other. Cause every time,
1729
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:03,850
which you know,
1730
00:48:03,850 --> 00:48:06,340
I got gotta plug our Barkus here for a second.
1731
00:48:06,340 --> 00:48:07,390
Cause that came together,
1732
00:48:07,390 --> 00:48:09,970
I think is a universal divine timing to where it was
1733
00:48:09,970 --> 00:48:10,630
just like,
1734
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:11,710
I reached out to you and I'm like,
1735
00:48:11,710 --> 00:48:12,760
Hey, do you want to do something?
1736
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:13,930
And we kind of talked about it.
1737
00:48:13,930 --> 00:48:14,680
And then we were like,
1738
00:48:14,770 --> 00:48:16,450
Hmm, I forget if it was you or me.
1739
00:48:16,450 --> 00:48:17,980
I think it was you because you had done a workshop
1740
00:48:17,980 --> 00:48:18,730
with her before.
1741
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:19,060
I'm like,
1742
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:20,530
what about bringing in Charlotte?
1743
00:48:21,130 --> 00:48:22,360
Yeah, that sounds great.
1744
00:48:22,690 --> 00:48:25,750
And then the first time we actually even met each other
1745
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:26,890
is when we showed up in Spain.
1746
00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:28,870
Oh my gosh.
1747
00:48:28,900 --> 00:48:29,980
Almost five years ago.
1748
00:48:29,980 --> 00:48:31,270
It'll be five years ago in April.
1749
00:48:31,300 --> 00:48:32,140
I can't believe it.
1750
00:48:32,290 --> 00:48:33,040
And, and yeah,
1751
00:48:33,070 --> 00:48:33,580
and like,
1752
00:48:33,580 --> 00:48:36,430
we all bring something totally different to the table and it
1753
00:48:36,430 --> 00:48:38,200
just brings us like magical little thing.
1754
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:39,490
And even I leave,
1755
00:48:39,610 --> 00:48:42,460
like I go to these and I come home inspired.
1756
00:48:42,490 --> 00:48:46,480
Like it feeds my soul going to those two and it
1757
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,430
rekindles a passion for shooting.
1758
00:48:48,430 --> 00:48:50,410
Cause I tend to get too bogged down in like,
1759
00:48:50,620 --> 00:48:52,000
cause I love the business side of things.
1760
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:52,540
So I'm like,
1761
00:48:52,570 --> 00:48:52,890
oh yeah,
1762
00:48:52,890 --> 00:48:53,590
yeah. More business.
1763
00:48:53,590 --> 00:48:54,340
I can shoot later.
1764
00:48:54,670 --> 00:48:55,240
And then I'm like,
1765
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:56,710
oh, I do like shooting.
1766
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,210
Yeah. To photograph oppositely for me.
1767
00:49:01,210 --> 00:49:04,210
It's, I'm so inspired by the business side because I think
1768
00:49:04,210 --> 00:49:05,740
of all these things that I can implement and that I
1769
00:49:05,740 --> 00:49:06,190
can do.
1770
00:49:06,190 --> 00:49:09,760
And in terms of like running the business because you know,
1771
00:49:09,790 --> 00:49:11,620
I get so caught up in the art of it that
1772
00:49:11,620 --> 00:49:15,580
I'm constantly outside at like 2:00 AM trying to photograph the
1773
00:49:15,580 --> 00:49:15,910
stars of like,
1774
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:16,090
you know,
1775
00:49:16,090 --> 00:49:17,110
my own dogs or whatever.
1776
00:49:17,110 --> 00:49:17,380
And I'm like,
1777
00:49:17,380 --> 00:49:18,550
wow. And I'm like not,
1778
00:49:18,700 --> 00:49:19,090
you know,
1779
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,120
paying attention to like emailing people and like taking care of
1780
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:23,350
invoices and you know,
1781
00:49:23,350 --> 00:49:26,980
whatever. And I know that like my productivity is not ideal
1782
00:49:26,980 --> 00:49:28,870
and thank God I have Sam because he,
1783
00:49:29,020 --> 00:49:29,590
my productivity,
1784
00:49:29,590 --> 00:49:31,330
when it comes to like the making of the art is
1785
00:49:31,330 --> 00:49:31,960
like crazy,
1786
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,120
phenomenal. It's always happening all the time.
1787
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,100
But when it comes to the actual business side and I'm
1788
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:36,460
like, oh,
1789
00:49:36,460 --> 00:49:38,380
he gotta like do taxes.
1790
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,440
Like I am the worst procrastinator.
1791
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:41,830
It's like,
1792
00:49:41,830 --> 00:49:43,390
if it sucks my soul out of my body,
1793
00:49:43,390 --> 00:49:44,020
like forget it.
1794
00:49:44,020 --> 00:49:46,210
I will do everything I can to bury it in the
1795
00:49:46,210 --> 00:49:47,680
ground and never think about it again.
1796
00:49:47,710 --> 00:49:49,330
So Sam does our taxes and he tastes,
1797
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:50,080
thank God for him.
1798
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:50,920
And, and he's always,
1799
00:49:50,980 --> 00:49:51,220
you know,
1800
00:49:51,220 --> 00:49:52,360
and this is wild.
1801
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:53,740
This will make you cringe so hard.
1802
00:49:53,740 --> 00:49:54,280
Cause he'll be like,
1803
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:55,870
Kaylee, do you know how much we made this year?
1804
00:49:55,870 --> 00:49:56,350
And I'll be like,
1805
00:49:57,970 --> 00:49:58,960
and I'll like make a guest.
1806
00:50:00,580 --> 00:50:01,060
And it's like,
1807
00:50:01,060 --> 00:50:04,000
usually like half like a third of what actually we did.
1808
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,730
Cause I don't really pay attention to the number.
1809
00:50:06,890 --> 00:50:09,100
Can you just tell me when there's Things are scheduled and
1810
00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:10,780
we just show up and he's like,
1811
00:50:11,020 --> 00:50:12,910
I can't believe you don't even know this.
1812
00:50:12,910 --> 00:50:13,600
Let me tell you it.
1813
00:50:13,630 --> 00:50:14,290
I just don't.
1814
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:14,590
I mean,
1815
00:50:14,650 --> 00:50:14,980
I, listen,
1816
00:50:14,980 --> 00:50:17,140
I do not recommend running a business like that.
1817
00:50:17,170 --> 00:50:18,550
I do not recommend to anyone.
1818
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:19,270
You have,
1819
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:20,130
you have your,
1820
00:50:20,130 --> 00:50:22,510
your other half in place to run that side of your
1821
00:50:22,510 --> 00:50:24,190
business. So it's not like you're ignoring it.
1822
00:50:24,190 --> 00:50:25,600
Somebody else is just in charge Of it.
1823
00:50:26,380 --> 00:50:27,650
But I never did sheets.
1824
00:50:27,770 --> 00:50:28,070
You know,
1825
00:50:28,070 --> 00:50:29,030
the sheets you're supposed to do.
1826
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:29,360
We were like,
1827
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:29,660
all right.
1828
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:30,440
Cost of goods.
1829
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,210
Like I gotta figure out like how much I'm supposed to
1830
00:50:32,210 --> 00:50:33,620
charge and how does my time,
1831
00:50:33,650 --> 00:50:35,810
how much is my time worth and all that stuff,
1832
00:50:35,810 --> 00:50:38,660
which we have people do often at the barcodes because it's
1833
00:50:38,660 --> 00:50:40,010
incredibly valuable.
1834
00:50:40,010 --> 00:50:41,870
And I literally never did one of those in my life
1835
00:50:41,870 --> 00:50:43,010
because they horrify me.
1836
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:44,210
So I mean,
1837
00:50:44,210 --> 00:50:46,700
listen, if you're like me and you're like really creative and
1838
00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:47,720
you kind of hate the business side,
1839
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:48,770
there is hope for you.
1840
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,990
Just try to hire someone that can do that stuff.
1841
00:50:50,990 --> 00:50:53,870
Hire yourself or Sam and you'll be fine.
1842
00:50:53,900 --> 00:50:54,620
You'll be fine.
1843
00:50:54,620 --> 00:50:55,370
Just make beautiful.
1844
00:50:55,370 --> 00:50:56,120
Yeah. Yeah.
1845
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:59,060
So we can create some automation and all of those beautiful
1846
00:50:59,060 --> 00:51:01,280
things. I love it.
1847
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:01,670
I love it.
1848
00:51:01,670 --> 00:51:03,230
So now that we mentioned the markets,
1849
00:51:03,230 --> 00:51:04,910
I'm sure there's going to be all sorts of people like,
1850
00:51:07,010 --> 00:51:08,660
oh, you know,
1851
00:51:08,690 --> 00:51:09,620
we're recording this.
1852
00:51:09,620 --> 00:51:11,270
It is November what?
1853
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:13,370
23rd, 2020.
1854
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:17,030
And this goes live December 1st,
1855
00:51:17,060 --> 00:51:18,500
2020. So at this point,
1856
00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:25,100
gosh, we've done.
1857
00:51:25,100 --> 00:51:25,730
Oh my gosh.
1858
00:51:25,730 --> 00:51:26,210
Okay. No,
1859
00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:26,510
you go,
1860
00:51:26,510 --> 00:51:26,720
you go,
1861
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:27,410
I have a thought,
1862
00:51:27,410 --> 00:51:28,460
I'm putting a note in it.
1863
00:51:28,460 --> 00:51:29,780
I'm literally writing.
1864
00:51:29,780 --> 00:51:31,100
And that's when you guys listen to this podcast,
1865
00:51:31,100 --> 00:51:34,190
send Kaylee a message on her Instagram and say happy birthday.
1866
00:51:34,190 --> 00:51:35,180
And she'll be so excited.
1867
00:51:36,620 --> 00:51:36,950
But yeah.
1868
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:39,860
So some of you guys might know we had planned to
1869
00:51:39,860 --> 00:51:40,820
do bark Lander.
1870
00:51:40,820 --> 00:51:41,630
This past may,
1871
00:51:41,630 --> 00:51:44,750
May, 2020 that obviously didn't pan out.
1872
00:51:44,750 --> 00:51:48,380
So at this point it is scheduled for May,
1873
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,990
2021, but we're still not sure if that's going to work
1874
00:51:50,990 --> 00:51:54,080
because we're starting a free Charlotte campaign because we don't know
1875
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:55,340
when people will be able to leave Australia.
1876
00:51:55,340 --> 00:51:57,830
It's not necessarily looking like it might happen then.
1877
00:51:57,830 --> 00:51:58,610
So anyway,
1878
00:51:58,610 --> 00:51:59,420
it's not in the air.
1879
00:51:59,420 --> 00:52:00,320
It will happen.
1880
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:01,910
Our next two bark are that.
1881
00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:03,290
And then we're going to go back to where it all
1882
00:52:03,290 --> 00:52:04,850
started and do a Barcelona,
1883
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,050
the exact dates to be determined based on the whole COVID
1884
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,170
crazy situation and how this all plays out over the next
1885
00:52:12,170 --> 00:52:12,740
couple of months.
1886
00:52:12,770 --> 00:52:14,840
But if you guys want to be the first to know
1887
00:52:14,900 --> 00:52:16,070
of openings,
1888
00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:19,400
because we will be opening registration again for Scotland,
1889
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:20,240
when that happens,
1890
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:21,740
because with the change of dates,
1891
00:52:21,740 --> 00:52:23,240
we do have a couple spaces open,
1892
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:24,650
just go to pet photography,
1893
00:52:24,650 --> 00:52:26,870
retreats.com, but your little email address there.
1894
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:29,270
And you will be the first to know when we actually
1895
00:52:29,300 --> 00:52:30,320
know what's happening.
1896
00:52:31,580 --> 00:52:32,570
Wild, weird,
1897
00:52:32,570 --> 00:52:33,920
crazy, horrible,
1898
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,050
but amazing eyeopening,
1899
00:52:36,050 --> 00:52:37,280
wild thing to live through.
1900
00:52:38,030 --> 00:52:39,740
Like so many things at once.
1901
00:52:39,740 --> 00:52:40,640
It just blows my mind.
1902
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:41,480
It's so strange.
1903
00:52:42,620 --> 00:52:43,220
And it's just,
1904
00:52:43,220 --> 00:52:43,850
it's really,
1905
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:45,110
I guess it is what it is,
1906
00:52:45,110 --> 00:52:48,260
right? Like it's science and these things can happen and it's
1907
00:52:48,260 --> 00:52:51,380
happened and it's changed everything I ever knew about how the
1908
00:52:51,380 --> 00:52:52,040
world works.
1909
00:52:52,070 --> 00:52:54,170
And it's so weird to like,
1910
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:55,400
like my dad,
1911
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:55,970
for example,
1912
00:52:55,970 --> 00:52:56,420
who's, you know,
1913
00:52:56,420 --> 00:52:57,740
in his like late seventies,
1914
00:52:57,740 --> 00:52:58,460
like to be like,
1915
00:52:58,790 --> 00:53:00,620
dad, have you ever lived through anything like this in your
1916
00:53:00,620 --> 00:53:01,220
entire life?
1917
00:53:01,220 --> 00:53:01,700
And he's like,
1918
00:53:01,730 --> 00:53:05,000
literally never have I experienced anything like this in my lifetime.
1919
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,040
And it's just it's it's really,
1920
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:07,400
I don't know.
1921
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:08,150
There are no words.
1922
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:08,450
I mean,
1923
00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:10,160
it changed everything for us.
1924
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,890
We had so much travel booked were supposed to be when
1925
00:53:12,890 --> 00:53:16,970
we taught Scotland bark Lander.
1926
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:18,440
I was just going to ask you what the name of
1927
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:23,930
it, The one to name the date on the hardest time,
1928
00:53:23,930 --> 00:53:24,470
naming that one,
1929
00:53:25,620 --> 00:53:27,990
Guys try to think of a better name for a Scotland
1930
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:30,060
based Barca has to be in the name workshop.
1931
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:33,690
Parkland. Parkland is literally anywhere.
1932
00:53:33,690 --> 00:53:34,890
Iceland. You got,
1933
00:53:35,250 --> 00:53:37,230
you got New Zealand,
1934
00:53:37,230 --> 00:53:38,150
lots of Ireland,
1935
00:53:38,610 --> 00:53:40,800
Ireland. Lots of lands.
1936
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:41,790
I guess that makes sense.
1937
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:45,190
Right. But yeah,
1938
00:53:45,210 --> 00:53:45,660
I don't know.
1939
00:53:45,660 --> 00:53:46,050
It's just,
1940
00:53:46,050 --> 00:53:47,490
we were supposed to be in Scotland for,
1941
00:53:47,490 --> 00:53:49,890
we were going to be there for like 40 days because
1942
00:53:49,890 --> 00:53:52,020
we weren't going to go to the isle of Skye and
1943
00:53:52,020 --> 00:53:54,960
shoot up there and get like or I think they call
1944
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,590
it with a sky terrier up there and do that.
1945
00:53:58,590 --> 00:54:00,840
And then we were gonna go down to the Cotswolds in
1946
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,040
England to go to London.
1947
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:03,270
We were going to go to Guernsey,
1948
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:07,710
possibly where Craig is from photography is from a little island
1949
00:54:07,710 --> 00:54:09,900
off the south coast to Guernsey.
1950
00:54:10,050 --> 00:54:10,740
We're going to go there.
1951
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:11,730
And then we were going to,
1952
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,650
we had all these crazy wild,
1953
00:54:13,650 --> 00:54:14,400
cool plans.
1954
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:15,750
And then we were even going to potentially,
1955
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:17,490
this is a bit of personal life information.
1956
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,890
We're even going to look at some wedding venues and Scotland
1957
00:54:20,850 --> 00:54:21,270
because they haven't,
1958
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:22,560
I've engaged for oh God,
1959
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:23,730
five years anyways now.
1960
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,520
So it's not very massive priority for me to get married,
1961
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:26,940
but I was like,
1962
00:54:26,940 --> 00:54:27,630
well, you know what,
1963
00:54:27,630 --> 00:54:28,680
let's do something weird.
1964
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:29,940
And let's look when we're in Scotland,
1965
00:54:29,940 --> 00:54:31,050
let's look at like wedding venues.
1966
00:54:31,050 --> 00:54:33,120
And now that's a whole thing that doesn't even exist.
1967
00:54:33,330 --> 00:54:33,820
You know what I mean?
1968
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:36,030
That whole industry like,
1969
00:54:36,030 --> 00:54:36,690
forget it.
1970
00:54:36,690 --> 00:54:38,820
Like I'm so glad I didn't schedule something.
1971
00:54:38,820 --> 00:54:39,090
You know,
1972
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:39,720
it's all good.
1973
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:40,440
I don't care that much.
1974
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,300
I just want a lope with like six people in a
1975
00:54:42,300 --> 00:54:45,090
whole bunch of dogs and someplace really just like a castle
1976
00:54:45,090 --> 00:54:45,540
over there.
1977
00:54:45,540 --> 00:54:46,140
But yeah,
1978
00:54:46,770 --> 00:54:47,490
just a castle.
1979
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:50,520
I looked for that.
1980
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,030
So we stayed in this insane little castle in France,
1981
00:54:54,030 --> 00:54:55,650
in the south of France for our workshop.
1982
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:58,410
And that was amazing.
1983
00:55:00,090 --> 00:55:01,410
Incredible. So I was like,
1984
00:55:01,410 --> 00:55:01,920
you know what,
1985
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,620
Sam, we're going back to that castle house and let's get
1986
00:55:04,620 --> 00:55:05,400
married there.
1987
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:07,470
Let's just do a little thing with like 20 people.
1988
00:55:07,590 --> 00:55:08,730
And so I went Nicole,
1989
00:55:08,730 --> 00:55:09,780
they changed ownership.
1990
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,730
It was like seven times the amount of money to rent
1991
00:55:16,180 --> 00:55:17,250
we got in when we did,
1992
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,490
It's literally like $75,000
1993
00:55:20,490 --> 00:55:21,660
a week now,
1994
00:55:21,930 --> 00:55:23,430
which is insane.
1995
00:55:23,820 --> 00:55:24,120
It was like,
1996
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:25,440
we'd have to charge so much.
1997
00:55:25,710 --> 00:55:27,900
There's no way it was the most amazing house.
1998
00:55:28,260 --> 00:55:29,490
It was owned by the king of France.
1999
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,050
There was like an 11th century,
2000
00:55:31,050 --> 00:55:32,880
like church in the middle of it.
2001
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:34,530
Right? Like in the middle of the house,
2002
00:55:34,830 --> 00:55:35,820
it was so wild.
2003
00:55:35,820 --> 00:55:37,080
So I thought that would be cool.
2004
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:37,440
But yeah,
2005
00:55:37,470 --> 00:55:39,720
apparently somebody took it over and forget it.
2006
00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:41,190
We lost every opportunity to ever get.
2007
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,040
There's so many amazing houses.
2008
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:45,900
Life is short.
2009
00:55:45,970 --> 00:55:46,680
It's amazing the house,
2010
00:55:47,100 --> 00:55:48,000
but we'll keep on going.
2011
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:48,690
Yeah, no,
2012
00:55:48,690 --> 00:55:50,460
I, I think it's important.
2013
00:55:50,490 --> 00:55:50,790
You know,
2014
00:55:50,820 --> 00:55:53,850
even though part of part of this year has sucked like
2015
00:55:53,850 --> 00:55:54,360
the getting,
2016
00:55:54,420 --> 00:55:58,620
having to cancel mark Lander and Barcelona and like personal trip
2017
00:55:58,620 --> 00:56:00,720
to Italy was supposed from my year of three trips a
2018
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:01,260
year out.
2019
00:56:01,290 --> 00:56:01,920
Now it's zero,
2020
00:56:01,980 --> 00:56:03,630
but you know,
2021
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:04,920
there there's been good.
2022
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:05,940
That's come out of it too.
2023
00:56:05,970 --> 00:56:06,390
You know,
2024
00:56:06,510 --> 00:56:07,890
it's given us space to do more things,
2025
00:56:07,890 --> 00:56:09,390
to appreciate different things to,
2026
00:56:09,420 --> 00:56:11,490
to, I think all of us the biggest is to look
2027
00:56:11,490 --> 00:56:12,360
at our life and be like,
2028
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:13,080
is this,
2029
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,300
am I doing what I really meant to be doing?
2030
00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:18,540
Like, it's been a great pause for people to,
2031
00:56:18,620 --> 00:56:19,860
to really look at,
2032
00:56:19,890 --> 00:56:20,310
you know,
2033
00:56:20,340 --> 00:56:22,500
take stock of what they're doing and how they're spending their
2034
00:56:22,500 --> 00:56:25,720
time, make better decisions that they like,
2035
00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:25,900
you know,
2036
00:56:25,900 --> 00:56:28,060
for them not because it's what the,
2037
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:28,930
you know,
2038
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,480
society tells them that they should be doing or what their
2039
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,700
parents told them they should be doing growing up that they
2040
00:56:33,700 --> 00:56:34,150
can follow.
2041
00:56:34,780 --> 00:56:35,320
Yeah. Well,
2042
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:36,520
I think it's so easy to,
2043
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,850
for people to get super caught up in the daily grind
2044
00:56:39,850 --> 00:56:42,400
and the daily routine of kind of,
2045
00:56:42,550 --> 00:56:43,630
for lack of a better term,
2046
00:56:43,630 --> 00:56:45,610
like the kind of the daily rat race of like you
2047
00:56:45,610 --> 00:56:45,880
get up,
2048
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:46,270
you go,
2049
00:56:46,270 --> 00:56:47,080
you get in traffic,
2050
00:56:47,110 --> 00:56:47,770
you get to the work,
2051
00:56:47,770 --> 00:56:48,400
you do the thing,
2052
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:49,780
you come home and you're really tired.
2053
00:56:49,780 --> 00:56:50,500
You don't really want to,
2054
00:56:50,510 --> 00:56:50,860
you know,
2055
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,290
like soul search too much because you just want to watch
2056
00:56:53,290 --> 00:56:55,060
Netflix on the couch and eat dinner and go to bed
2057
00:56:55,060 --> 00:56:56,170
and do it all again.
2058
00:56:56,410 --> 00:56:58,750
And then the weekends are like this coveted time of like,
2059
00:56:58,750 --> 00:57:00,520
okay, I have two days to be a human.
2060
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:01,480
So let me like,
2061
00:57:01,510 --> 00:57:01,720
you know,
2062
00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:03,700
go hiking or take my dog somewhere or whatever.
2063
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,370
So people don't really ever take the time to let it
2064
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,590
turn inward and look inside,
2065
00:57:08,590 --> 00:57:09,190
right? Like,
2066
00:57:09,310 --> 00:57:10,360
am I fulfilling?
2067
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:10,800
Are you,
2068
00:57:10,810 --> 00:57:13,060
you don't have time to be Kaylee at apple that one
2069
00:57:13,060 --> 00:57:15,550
day sitting in the car crying and going,
2070
00:57:15,550 --> 00:57:17,950
am I fulfilling everything I was meant to do here on
2071
00:57:17,950 --> 00:57:20,770
earth? And I think it's been a really massive eye-opener for
2072
00:57:20,770 --> 00:57:21,520
a lot of people.
2073
00:57:21,610 --> 00:57:22,690
And it's okay if,
2074
00:57:22,810 --> 00:57:23,140
you know,
2075
00:57:23,140 --> 00:57:24,490
some people might take stock,
2076
00:57:24,490 --> 00:57:24,910
like you said,
2077
00:57:24,910 --> 00:57:26,770
of what they've got going on and they might be go,
2078
00:57:26,830 --> 00:57:27,250
you know what?
2079
00:57:27,250 --> 00:57:27,700
I love it.
2080
00:57:27,700 --> 00:57:30,340
And I'm thrilled and there's no problem with that.
2081
00:57:30,550 --> 00:57:32,830
But other people might realize that there's something in their heart
2082
00:57:32,830 --> 00:57:34,330
that's been missing for a long time.
2083
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:35,740
And now in this silence,
2084
00:57:35,740 --> 00:57:38,080
in this relative solitude and quiet is,
2085
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:40,180
has allowed that to come to the surface.
2086
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:40,860
And so it's a,
2087
00:57:40,860 --> 00:57:41,500
it's a good time.
2088
00:57:41,530 --> 00:57:42,490
I think it's a real,
2089
00:57:42,850 --> 00:57:45,580
it's, it's a double-edged sword because it is in a way,
2090
00:57:45,580 --> 00:57:47,440
a real blessing for a lot of people to have that
2091
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:47,950
breathing room.
2092
00:57:47,980 --> 00:57:49,300
But it's not great that,
2093
00:57:49,300 --> 00:57:49,570
you know,
2094
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,160
people are sick and also dying.
2095
00:57:51,610 --> 00:57:53,080
That's a massive bummer.
2096
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:54,790
It would have been nice if it came with something a
2097
00:57:54,790 --> 00:57:55,270
bit different,
2098
00:57:55,300 --> 00:57:56,200
but yeah,
2099
00:57:56,260 --> 00:57:57,200
I, yeah,
2100
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:58,210
for us,
2101
00:57:58,210 --> 00:57:58,840
for Sam and I,
2102
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,450
the awesome thing was that we have a wait list of
2103
00:58:01,450 --> 00:58:04,920
private clients that has been like ever expanding for years.
2104
00:58:05,410 --> 00:58:07,810
It's kind of like something that definitely is a kind of
2105
00:58:07,810 --> 00:58:09,250
a constant positive,
2106
00:58:09,250 --> 00:58:11,320
but still like a constant anxiety on my shoulders.
2107
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:11,830
Like, oh my God,
2108
00:58:11,830 --> 00:58:11,980
am I,
2109
00:58:11,980 --> 00:58:12,520
God, am I got it?
2110
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:13,990
Like I see all these names coming through and I'm like,
2111
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:15,250
oh, can I ever get to all of these?
2112
00:58:15,250 --> 00:58:16,750
I'm never going to be like home long enough.
2113
00:58:16,750 --> 00:58:17,560
And I'm never going to be able to,
2114
00:58:17,860 --> 00:58:18,130
oh No,
2115
00:58:18,130 --> 00:58:18,820
here it comes to Nicole.
2116
00:58:18,820 --> 00:58:23,350
We'll raise your prices Like twice now.
2117
00:58:23,590 --> 00:58:24,580
But like I've kind of cleaned.
2118
00:58:24,850 --> 00:58:26,440
I don't want to say cleaned out the list,
2119
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:28,600
but kind of like ended out a couple of times because
2120
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:29,830
of price like hikes.
2121
00:58:29,830 --> 00:58:32,710
And it's still got to the point where we had almost
2122
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:35,620
like 200 names on it at the beginning of this year.
2123
00:58:35,620 --> 00:58:36,220
And we were like,
2124
00:58:36,250 --> 00:58:36,970
oh my,
2125
00:58:36,970 --> 00:58:39,090
and that gives me like proper panic attack.
2126
00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:39,430
Cause I'm like,
2127
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:40,660
how can I ever do that many?
2128
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:41,650
But in the summer,
2129
00:58:41,650 --> 00:58:43,210
since we were like grounded here,
2130
00:58:43,450 --> 00:58:45,790
as soon as the world like reopened and we were allowed
2131
00:58:45,790 --> 00:58:48,400
to like go back outside and go to parks and stuff
2132
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:49,000
we started.
2133
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,950
And that would have been like the first week of June,
2134
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:51,400
I think,
2135
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,530
or maybe the very last week of may or something here
2136
00:58:53,530 --> 00:58:54,100
in Boston.
2137
00:58:54,190 --> 00:58:56,950
And we shot so much this summer,
2138
00:58:56,950 --> 00:58:59,050
locally, we had the most amazing summer.
2139
00:58:59,050 --> 00:59:01,750
We were so busy with private clients and everybody was like,
2140
00:59:01,810 --> 00:59:05,020
wonderful. And it was just such a beautiful experience.
2141
00:59:05,020 --> 00:59:07,420
And so we finally able to get through like,
2142
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:08,710
not nearly the whole thing,
2143
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:11,050
but like a good chunk of the waiting list for the
2144
00:59:11,050 --> 00:59:11,920
first time ever.
2145
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:12,610
So that was,
2146
00:59:12,610 --> 00:59:13,810
that was a weird side.
2147
00:59:13,810 --> 00:59:14,530
Blessing was like,
2148
00:59:14,530 --> 00:59:15,130
well, you know what,
2149
00:59:15,130 --> 00:59:15,820
we're grounded.
2150
00:59:15,820 --> 00:59:16,930
Like, let's make the most of it.
2151
00:59:18,970 --> 00:59:20,230
And we got nothing else going on.
2152
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:21,200
So let's just shoot.
2153
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,810
And it made me kind of focus on the beauty of
2154
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:24,920
where I live again,
2155
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:25,910
because it was like,
2156
00:59:26,180 --> 00:59:28,970
I'm often looking for these grand epic places that are like
2157
00:59:29,060 --> 00:59:33,140
some crazy plane right away and a mountain hike and don't
2158
00:59:33,140 --> 00:59:33,530
get me wrong.
2159
00:59:33,530 --> 00:59:34,220
I love that.
2160
00:59:34,220 --> 00:59:37,400
But it made me kind of largely ignore my local area
2161
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:38,390
for many years.
2162
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:41,360
So I got to really like rediscover the beauty here and
2163
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,660
like really finding CRA we scouted all these amazing new parks
2164
00:59:44,660 --> 00:59:48,860
and places in Rhode Island and in New Hampshire and rivers
2165
00:59:48,860 --> 00:59:49,490
and lakes and oceans.
2166
00:59:49,490 --> 00:59:50,780
And it was an awesome summer.
2167
00:59:50,780 --> 00:59:54,920
So we had a really weirdly a very like busy and
2168
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:56,990
also like great successful year for the business.
2169
00:59:56,990 --> 00:59:58,010
But it's funny too,
2170
00:59:58,010 --> 01:00:01,610
because we didn't physically get to shoot from February until may
2171
01:00:01,670 --> 01:00:03,290
like world was shut down.
2172
01:00:03,290 --> 01:00:05,270
So we were trying to get approved for the mortgage on
2173
01:00:05,270 --> 01:00:07,340
this house that we just bought our first home ever.
2174
01:00:07,610 --> 01:00:08,840
And the mortgage officer was like,
2175
01:00:08,930 --> 01:00:11,150
well, tell me how much money did you make from January
2176
01:00:11,150 --> 01:00:11,660
to may?
2177
01:00:12,650 --> 01:00:12,890
And I'm like,
2178
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:13,600
I'm not Gerald.
2179
01:00:15,500 --> 01:00:16,910
And of course they didn't like the answer.
2180
01:00:16,910 --> 01:00:17,280
So they're like,
2181
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,310
you need to make up your entire year's income in the
2182
01:00:19,310 --> 01:00:21,620
next few months for us to consider this.
2183
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,690
And we were able to do it with our private shoots,
2184
01:00:23,690 --> 01:00:25,660
like make up the whole entire year.
2185
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:26,450
So, wow.
2186
01:00:26,510 --> 01:00:26,810
I love it.
2187
01:00:26,810 --> 01:00:27,800
That's one of those things.
2188
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,990
It's like when you ask me if I ever thought when
2189
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:32,930
I was like a kid realizing that I was not going
2190
01:00:32,930 --> 01:00:35,210
to amount to much or thinking maybe I wouldn't would,
2191
01:00:35,210 --> 01:00:37,760
would this all work out for me and could I kind
2192
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:38,870
of believe where I stand?
2193
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:40,370
And the answer is I genuinely cannot.
2194
01:00:40,370 --> 01:00:41,270
I genuinely cannot.
2195
01:00:41,390 --> 01:00:42,440
And speaking of all that,
2196
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,060
my book comes out tomorrow,
2197
01:00:47,570 --> 01:00:50,930
actual tomorrow or tomorrow when this is released tomorrow.
2198
01:00:50,930 --> 01:00:53,120
So I know it will be,
2199
01:00:53,500 --> 01:00:54,170
it will be out.
2200
01:00:54,170 --> 01:00:55,220
So here's the thing.
2201
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,190
Some people ordered the book dog.
2202
01:00:58,220 --> 01:01:00,890
Tography a knock your socks off guide to capturing the best
2203
01:01:00,890 --> 01:01:01,850
dog photos on earth.
2204
01:01:02,180 --> 01:01:03,680
It is huge.
2205
01:01:03,740 --> 01:01:04,880
I can't believe I wrote,
2206
01:01:05,150 --> 01:01:09,380
I cannot believe just to call back to something uncomfortable for
2207
01:01:09,380 --> 01:01:10,460
everyone. It's huge,
2208
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:13,760
but my higher quarantine.
2209
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:14,510
So those months that,
2210
01:01:14,810 --> 01:01:15,080
you know,
2211
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:16,100
the mortgage guy was like,
2212
01:01:16,100 --> 01:01:16,670
what were you doing?
2213
01:01:16,670 --> 01:01:17,390
Making no money.
2214
01:01:17,390 --> 01:01:17,840
I was like,
2215
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:18,680
I was writing a book.
2216
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:20,990
So for real,
2217
01:01:23,220 --> 01:01:25,640
when January to may,
2218
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,890
I was just cost 10 hour days in front of the
2219
01:01:27,890 --> 01:01:29,660
computer, like blue light migraines.
2220
01:01:29,660 --> 01:01:30,650
Every time it was like,
2221
01:01:31,010 --> 01:01:31,850
it was a lot.
2222
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:35,390
And it was definitely something that I felt was absolutely impossible.
2223
01:01:35,420 --> 01:01:36,950
This is an impossible task.
2224
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:38,030
I will try it,
2225
01:01:38,030 --> 01:01:41,630
but likely I will find that the impossible task remains impossible
2226
01:01:44,450 --> 01:01:45,680
because it's in my hands.
2227
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:46,460
I can't believe it.
2228
01:01:46,460 --> 01:01:48,170
It sits here in my hands.
2229
01:01:48,170 --> 01:01:49,070
It was a weird,
2230
01:01:49,070 --> 01:01:51,170
long, wild like process.
2231
01:01:51,350 --> 01:01:52,280
It was a lot of,
2232
01:01:52,700 --> 01:01:55,040
a lot of like back and forth and copy editing.
2233
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:58,400
And then layout was like a whole huge debacle because like
2234
01:01:58,430 --> 01:02:01,580
laying out the book with all my photos and originally they
2235
01:02:01,580 --> 01:02:03,590
were all really small in the pages.
2236
01:02:03,590 --> 01:02:03,980
And I was like,
2237
01:02:03,980 --> 01:02:04,690
no, no,
2238
01:02:04,730 --> 01:02:06,200
no, you must not know me.
2239
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:06,950
We need to do like,
2240
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:07,730
in your face,
2241
01:02:07,730 --> 01:02:08,360
full page,
2242
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:08,960
full color,
2243
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,710
like then the C M Y K conversions sucks my soul
2244
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:14,240
out of my body because you're like,
2245
01:02:14,450 --> 01:02:17,450
okay, I shoot all these photos and RGB like color profile.
2246
01:02:17,450 --> 01:02:19,190
Right? Like everyone does beautiful,
2247
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:20,550
amazing, vibrant,
2248
01:02:20,730 --> 01:02:21,960
spectacular colors.
2249
01:02:22,290 --> 01:02:23,010
And then they're like,
2250
01:02:23,010 --> 01:02:24,480
okay, well just make sure your convert,
2251
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:25,260
everything to C,
2252
01:02:25,260 --> 01:02:25,830
M Y K,
2253
01:02:25,830 --> 01:02:26,280
which is like,
2254
01:02:26,490 --> 01:02:27,030
excuse me.
2255
01:02:27,090 --> 01:02:28,170
No, that's how they print.
2256
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,300
Oh, by the way,
2257
01:02:30,300 --> 01:02:33,840
printers only use four colors of ink to make all the
2258
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:34,800
colors in the rainbow.
2259
01:02:35,250 --> 01:02:36,270
So you have to do cyan,
2260
01:02:36,270 --> 01:02:37,110
magenta, yellow,
2261
01:02:37,110 --> 01:02:39,900
black. And that means that's all they use to make every
2262
01:02:39,900 --> 01:02:42,630
color and a picture which takes your photo file.
2263
01:02:42,630 --> 01:02:42,960
And you go,
2264
01:02:43,020 --> 01:02:45,750
oh, so nice.
2265
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,690
And then you change it and you go CNYK convert.
2266
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:49,710
And then it goes,
2267
01:02:49,710 --> 01:02:51,420
a giant poop comes out.
2268
01:02:54,030 --> 01:02:57,480
It's like dull and like a matted and like dark and,
2269
01:02:57,840 --> 01:02:59,370
oh, it was really hard for me.
2270
01:02:59,370 --> 01:03:01,230
So that was a massive process.
2271
01:03:01,230 --> 01:03:04,770
Massive. It was so stressful and just like uncomfortable to go
2272
01:03:04,770 --> 01:03:05,360
through with all that.
2273
01:03:05,370 --> 01:03:05,730
And then,
2274
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,750
and then writing like the acknowledgements and all those things that
2275
01:03:09,750 --> 01:03:12,000
you don't think that hard about when you read someone else's
2276
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:13,680
book was the hardest part.
2277
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:14,250
Cause you're like,
2278
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:14,660
I don't know,
2279
01:03:14,660 --> 01:03:16,770
like thank all the people I love and the people who
2280
01:03:16,770 --> 01:03:18,660
made a difference in my life and who lifted me up
2281
01:03:18,660 --> 01:03:19,920
to the stars and support me.
2282
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:21,420
And so it was crazy.
2283
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:23,940
And now it's real and now it comes out tomorrow.
2284
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:26,820
So I'm going to go to Barnes and noble and I'm
2285
01:03:26,820 --> 01:03:28,620
going to run around screaming with it,
2286
01:03:28,650 --> 01:03:29,340
above my head.
2287
01:03:29,370 --> 01:03:30,540
I'm going to hold it above my head.
2288
01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:31,230
I love it.
2289
01:03:31,230 --> 01:03:32,490
The entire store all down,
2290
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:33,390
every single aisle.
2291
01:03:36,180 --> 01:03:37,050
What's your mascot.
2292
01:03:38,190 --> 01:03:39,330
Don't worry to ply mask.
2293
01:03:39,330 --> 01:03:40,050
I'll have double mask.
2294
01:03:41,130 --> 01:03:41,610
I love it.
2295
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,410
So where can people go find the book?
2296
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,750
Cause every single dog photographer out there,
2297
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:47,460
whether it be dog photographer or just,
2298
01:03:47,460 --> 01:03:48,210
if you love dogs,
2299
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:48,810
go get the hits.
2300
01:03:48,870 --> 01:03:49,260
Thank you,
2301
01:03:49,260 --> 01:03:50,280
Nicole. It's wild.
2302
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:51,750
Actually. Let me tell you something really quick.
2303
01:03:51,810 --> 01:03:53,340
Okay. When I first turned in the manuscript,
2304
01:03:53,370 --> 01:03:53,700
they were like,
2305
01:03:53,700 --> 01:03:56,370
Kaley, this book is going to be 600 pages long.
2306
01:03:57,810 --> 01:03:58,200
They're like,
2307
01:03:58,260 --> 01:03:58,600
you need,
2308
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,170
like, I need all the pictures on their own page.
2309
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,650
We need to take out at least like two or three
2310
01:04:04,650 --> 01:04:05,910
chapters. And I was gutted,
2311
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:07,590
devastated, disgusted.
2312
01:04:07,590 --> 01:04:09,030
It felt awful about everything.
2313
01:04:09,270 --> 01:04:11,640
But in the end we ended up taking out two chapters,
2314
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,770
which were kind of a little fluffy and extraneous.
2315
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,600
And it ended up with I think,
2316
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:16,590
14 chapters.
2317
01:04:16,590 --> 01:04:17,070
And it is,
2318
01:04:17,070 --> 01:04:19,890
I made like to say that it covers everything you could
2319
01:04:19,890 --> 01:04:23,490
ever even remotely consider about the subject of dog photography.
2320
01:04:23,490 --> 01:04:26,430
I think it's literally everything I think I tried.
2321
01:04:26,460 --> 01:04:27,030
But anyway,
2322
01:04:27,060 --> 01:04:28,080
let me tell you where you can find it.
2323
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:31,890
Now, circling back to that originally you can get it on
2324
01:04:31,980 --> 01:04:34,080
amazon.com. Pretty easy to search dog.
2325
01:04:34,110 --> 01:04:36,780
Tography let me ask you guys a massive favor.
2326
01:04:36,780 --> 01:04:37,410
This is huge.
2327
01:04:37,410 --> 01:04:40,620
Apparently it's really big deal for the book to get reviews.
2328
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,600
I guess that's a really big deal on Amazon,
2329
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,040
like for their algorithm or something.
2330
01:04:44,460 --> 01:04:45,540
So if you love it,
2331
01:04:45,540 --> 01:04:46,890
if you read it and you love it,
2332
01:04:46,890 --> 01:04:47,820
would you leave me a review?
2333
01:04:47,820 --> 01:04:48,990
That would mean so much to me.
2334
01:04:49,050 --> 01:04:51,180
If you don't want to give it anything other than five
2335
01:04:51,180 --> 01:04:52,860
stars, don't worry about leaving a review.
2336
01:04:52,860 --> 01:04:56,790
Then I'm not asking you to give me five stars,
2337
01:04:56,790 --> 01:04:58,250
but I'm not not asking you to go.
2338
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:00,540
No, no guys,
2339
01:05:00,540 --> 01:05:00,900
I'm kidding.
2340
01:05:00,900 --> 01:05:01,980
I'm not going to just do your own,
2341
01:05:01,980 --> 01:05:03,660
but it would really be amazing.
2342
01:05:03,660 --> 01:05:05,730
It would mean so much to me because of the publisher
2343
01:05:05,730 --> 01:05:07,680
kept like hammering that home to me in all of our
2344
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,210
meetings, like make sure you get reviews.
2345
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:13,530
The other thing is Rocky nook is my publisher.
2346
01:05:13,710 --> 01:05:16,020
You can order the book directly through Rocky nook.
2347
01:05:16,050 --> 01:05:18,460
And I'm not sure if this promo code is going to
2348
01:05:18,460 --> 01:05:20,770
be active at the time of this podcast release,
2349
01:05:20,770 --> 01:05:22,210
but just in case guys,
2350
01:05:22,210 --> 01:05:23,320
try it just in case,
2351
01:05:23,530 --> 01:05:25,030
try the promo code dog.
2352
01:05:25,060 --> 01:05:26,290
Tography 40.
2353
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,360
If you order it through Rocky neck.com,
2354
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:29,940
because right now they're running a,
2355
01:05:29,940 --> 01:05:32,050
a little like deal of the week on it because it's
2356
01:05:32,050 --> 01:05:32,890
like a new release.
2357
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:34,120
So it might still be there.
2358
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:35,350
So you might as well try that.
2359
01:05:35,350 --> 01:05:36,370
And for whatever reason,
2360
01:05:36,370 --> 01:05:38,140
if it doesn't work and you feel more comfortable going with
2361
01:05:38,140 --> 01:05:39,310
Amazon, whatever,
2362
01:05:39,310 --> 01:05:40,960
either way you can go Rocky nook.com
2363
01:05:40,990 --> 01:05:43,360
or Amazon and just search dog tography or just search my
2364
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:48,520
name or Maybe even your local Bookstore or anywhere,
2365
01:05:48,670 --> 01:05:50,110
anywhere books are sold.
2366
01:05:50,110 --> 01:05:52,060
So if you have like a little guy in your town,
2367
01:05:52,570 --> 01:05:53,420
they'll order it for you.
2368
01:05:53,430 --> 01:05:54,010
Shouldn't be there,
2369
01:05:54,010 --> 01:05:54,910
but they can order it for you.
2370
01:05:54,910 --> 01:05:55,750
Or you can do it.
2371
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:57,700
I don't know what other people have books a million.
2372
01:05:57,700 --> 01:05:58,000
I don't know.
2373
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,920
Give me some off-brand bookstores border.
2374
01:06:00,070 --> 01:06:00,520
I don't know.
2375
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:02,170
I don't think borders is still open anymore.
2376
01:06:02,170 --> 01:06:04,570
I think they closed this Barnes and noble guy.
2377
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:05,770
I love going to bookstore.
2378
01:06:05,770 --> 01:06:08,980
Just like walk around Anyway.
2379
01:06:08,980 --> 01:06:09,430
They'd love it.
2380
01:06:09,460 --> 01:06:10,000
That's wild.
2381
01:06:10,030 --> 01:06:10,630
It's wild.
2382
01:06:10,630 --> 01:06:11,680
They can't wait for you guys to see it.
2383
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,080
I genuinely can't like I'm so I'm so bowled over.
2384
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:14,800
It's so weird.
2385
01:06:14,830 --> 01:06:15,520
It's a weird,
2386
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:16,690
it's a weird air life.
2387
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:17,080
It's a weird,
2388
01:06:17,500 --> 01:06:18,430
It's beautiful.
2389
01:06:18,430 --> 01:06:18,940
It's a beautiful,
2390
01:06:19,690 --> 01:06:20,350
awesome. Well,
2391
01:06:20,350 --> 01:06:23,410
where else can everyone find you Kaylee to follow your daily
2392
01:06:23,410 --> 01:06:25,630
adventures? Just follow me on the old grams.
2393
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:27,430
Try to find me on the Instagrams and I'll tell you
2394
01:06:27,430 --> 01:06:29,380
why, because I keep that really updated.
2395
01:06:29,380 --> 01:06:31,120
I I've been kind of bad,
2396
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,700
bad, bad dog when it comes to my Facebook,
2397
01:06:34,750 --> 01:06:37,750
because I've been a little bit separated from Facebook for the
2398
01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:39,070
past, like COVID year,
2399
01:06:39,100 --> 01:06:40,630
just because it's been kind of nasty,
2400
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:40,840
you know,
2401
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,060
like the politics and oh boy,
2402
01:06:43,090 --> 01:06:44,500
everybody's opinions all the time.
2403
01:06:44,500 --> 01:06:44,770
It's like,
2404
01:06:44,770 --> 01:06:47,080
it's not great for my like mental state.
2405
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:47,740
Like I said to you,
2406
01:06:47,740 --> 01:06:50,230
it's like a little paper room where I create my magic
2407
01:06:50,230 --> 01:06:50,950
and I can't let,
2408
01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:52,390
I can't let bad stuff in.
2409
01:06:52,390 --> 01:06:54,430
So Facebook has been kind of gnarly,
2410
01:06:54,430 --> 01:06:55,990
but I do update my Facebook.
2411
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:58,180
So just in case it's facebook.com/dog
2412
01:06:58,210 --> 01:06:59,050
breath photo,
2413
01:06:59,110 --> 01:06:59,470
I forget.
2414
01:06:59,590 --> 01:07:00,190
Yeah. Dog breath,
2415
01:07:00,190 --> 01:07:01,840
photo, just Google it,
2416
01:07:01,900 --> 01:07:02,890
whatever. All right.
2417
01:07:02,950 --> 01:07:04,330
And then this is so professional,
2418
01:07:04,330 --> 01:07:04,660
isn't it?
2419
01:07:04,990 --> 01:07:07,570
And then Instagram though is really where I keep updated and
2420
01:07:07,570 --> 01:07:09,790
I try to do stories every day and show you what
2421
01:07:09,790 --> 01:07:10,270
I'm doing.
2422
01:07:10,270 --> 01:07:12,400
And I'd take you behind the scenes on all my shoots,
2423
01:07:12,460 --> 01:07:13,960
even if I'm just like sitting at home editing,
2424
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:14,830
I'll try to show like,
2425
01:07:14,890 --> 01:07:15,100
you know,
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a little edit or something on my stories.
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Instagram is at Doug breath photography,
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and then just go to my website to peruse www.dog
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breath, photo.
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Awesome. Haley,
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thank you so much for taking the time to chat with
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us. I'm sure everyone has really enjoyed hearing from you and,
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and just learning about how your magic came to be.
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Yeah, just a reminder.
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You guys all have magic inside you too.
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So just figure out what it is you love and pour
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your heart and soul into it.
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And pretty soon more magical Proper Walt Disney.
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I Love it so much.
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Thanks so much everybody.
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We'll see you next week.
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Thanks for listening to the hair of the dog podcast.
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This was episode number one 20.
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If you want to check out the show notes for access
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to any of the resources that we mentioned,
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