Rebekka: Alright. Well, welcome back to the modern mindfulness podcast. It's me, Rebekka here. And today I have Tanya Cole Lesnick. Hello, Tanya.
Tanya: Hi, Rebekka. Hello.
Rebekka: All right. So first things first, I'm going to share a little bit about you and then we'll dive in. Tanya Cole Lesnick is a psychotherapist turned personal development coach.
Rebekka: With three decades of professional experience, helping people to pursue lives that honor their truest selves are clear of energetic clutter and that they are genuinely excited to be living. She does this by helping her clients to identify the limiting beliefs and behavioral patterns that take up mental space and demand energy, but don't help to move the needle towards growth, meaning, or how they want to feel.
Rebekka: This is what Tanya calls energetic clutter. From there, she helps her clients to heal faulty narratives and change the habits that don't serve them so that they [00:01:00] are living in alignment inside and out. Tanya's work revolves around a combination of group and individual coaching and retreats as she believes that the sharing of inner worlds and being human together in safe spaces, collectively and individually, is an incredibly powerful method for a lasting transformation.
Rebekka: Mm. Me too. Yes. Love that. Tanya, welcome officially here.
Tanya: Hello. Thank you. It's so great to be here with you, Rebekka. And, you know, you and I had a little chat already, so I'm just excited to see what continues to unfold.
Rebekka: Mm. Yes. Agreed. And when, However, we got connected when I was reading about you energetic clutter jumped out part of it because I am all about energy and energetics of everything and also clutter, because I grew up with, especially a father who has a lot of things and clutter was a word I learned early on.
Rebekka: And so just that combination definitely drew me in. So can we start there as I mentioned in your bio [00:02:00] a little bit around energetic clutter? What is energetic clutter? What is the journey of this term? How far back do we go in describing it and its birth? Yeah, I mean energetic clutter is just something that I came up with when I was on my own journey literally clearing out spice cabinets in my home and realizing making the connection between What takes up space in our psyches that it's similar to clutter in that it takes up space.
Tanya: We don't necessarily want it there. We don't love it. It's in the way we're depleted by it often. And then when we want to come back to ourselves in our hearts and whatever journey we might prefer to be on. We're exhausted and we many of us can then crash and do it all again the next day. And so for me, it helped me put language to work.
Tanya: I'd already been doing professionally for these 30 years. It is what I've been focusing on with people. What is working for you? What's serving you? What is it? What's in the way and starting to identify some of that stuff. And so often it is these limiting beliefs and then the behaviors that are paired with them.
Tanya: I have a little animation. I know you had a chance to look at it, and it offers seven very common ones. I talk to people all the time about limiting beliefs, and there's It's an infinite number of them and they're all nuanced, but there's a lot of overlap. And so we can get more into it, but just to throw out a quick one that so many people identify is this idea of maybe hustling for worth.
Tanya: When people hold on to that limiting belief, then the behavior that's paired with it is overdoing. If they need to hustle for worth. They can't stop. And then what happens is they're so depleted, um, that at the end, like I was describing earlier, that it's so hard to come back to yourself and really connect to what you want for yourself.
Rebekka: Mm. Yes. And I will definitely link that video below everybody. So check it out. It's, it's great. And it definitely, lays out very relatable, limiting beliefs, the concepts. So yeah, the one that stood out for me too in myself, but, and then the people that I've attracted that I help is the too much, you know, we're like, we think we're too much because we've been told at some point that you're too much, you're too loud, you're too this.
Rebekka: And then there's like this shutdown and just carrying that around can eventually be so heavy. Yeah. So are there other scenarios? symptoms or things where people as they're listening right now, like, well, I don't know, do I have clutter? Do I have this energetic clutter Tanya's talking about? Are there physical symptoms or symptoms that they might recognize outside of these descriptions of like, Oh, you have some clutter.
Tanya: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, absolutely. I know I've mentioned a couple of times, just that feeling of being depleted. So that's one another could [00:05:00] be, Losing your temper a lot where you're, let's say you're somebody who's struggling with the limiting belief that you're going to be abandoned if you don't say yes, and if you're not accommodating to lots of people in your life.
Tanya: And so somebody like that would struggle with people pleasing behaviors. That's the one that I've had to work on most of all. And so doing that kind of thing, if you are saying yes, when you want to say no or no, feeling resentful because you're doing more for somebody than they would do for you, or you're not really honoring yourself, that kind of thing can show up later, losing temper.
Tanya: Or if you're not living in alignment with some of these limiting beliefs, if you're not letting your own inner guidance, be your guide, your own intuition, your own heart. And instead, you're looking outward to get sort of these ideas of which way you're gonna go, what decisions you're going to [00:06:00] make, then there can be, um, A sense of blah, and sometimes people can get into substance use as a way to kind of take the edge off if they're feeling like life isn't that satisfying or distraction can be a real way that people might want to focus on things because they're not that feeling that life is offering them what they want often.
Tanya: And so distraction could be shopping. It could be scrolling. It could be watching TV or just doing things that don't really bring you anywhere, but they're just easier to kind of decide, well, I'm going to just go do this thing because I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. You covered things that are physical symptoms that they might be feeling and also actions that they might be doing.
Rebekka: And hopefully this can just be a little pause in time for any of you listening, having awareness around these [00:07:00] things that Tanya just mentioned. And maybe they're signs that you have some energetic clutter to start to move through. I kind of want to go backwards now. And you've mentioned whether here or before we hit record around honoring like your truth, your true self.
Rebekka: Also very much of what I'm all about. And although you were born this way with these gifts, like at what point in your life, could you share a little bit about like, what were you going through that might be relatable to the listeners to around in your life, however far back this was that set you on to this path where I feel like you're very aligned with your vision, your purpose, although it might always be changing?
Rebekka: Could you share a little bit about that part of your life and kind of what set you into this? Kind of curve that you're on. Yeah. So I, when I was in my mid twenties, starting my career, I was a graphic designer at the time. And I really knew that I wanted to be married and have kids one day, but I was really struggling to have a long term love relationship.
Tanya: I didn't. Get into these relationships. They'd be very [00:08:00] short lived. I didn't really understand what was in the way. Pretty heartbreaking time for me. And I wanted to do something to change this pattern. I definitely saw there was a pattern and I. considered therapy, but this was more than 30 years ago. I definitely felt some stigma connected to therapy, although it was New York City at the time.
Tanya: So I mean, that's where I was at the time, which was probably the most accepted place for therapy, but still I felt some stigma and also was very dismissive of therapy. what my issues were. I thought, well, therapy is for people who are really struggling with some significant issues. This is just, I don't know, I would just dismiss it as being not really an issue.
Tanya: But what was happening is, as I was trying to understand it, I made up my own reason for why this long term love relationship wasn't happening and questioned my lovability. And so I was carrying around this limiting belief that maybe There's something very unlovable about me. And so with a little time, I did finally decide, alright, I'm going to therapy because I want to change this and if something can help me, I don't really care anymore about the stigma or whatever.
Tanya: It was worth it enough to me. And so I went to a therapist who was amazing and I felt immediately sort of safe in sharing with her what was going on with me. Um, and I was allowing myself to be. pretty vulnerable, but it felt really healing. And then she suggested I add group therapy to the mix, and she would do both.
Tanya: She would lead the group and also I saw her individually. And so the thought of that terrified me. And, you know, I was worried that I was unlovable. So I didn't want these people that I didn't know to verify that I was in fact unlovable and felt that the therapist in this situation was sort of. It was hiring her to sort of be on my side, but I was worried about getting into a group of who were strangers.
Tanya: And that was, um, Although scary, I also was building some trust in the therapist, and I was kind of intrigued. I mean, I'd seen it on TV a little, and movies a little, and, um, it seemed kind of interesting. So, I decided to do it, and I went in and had that experience. And there are definitely tough moments in it as well, but the overarching, thing that happened from that was Realizing that I wasn't alone Realizing the things that I worried were flaws in me were just a real Significant part of the human experience and that as I got to know the other people in group.
Tanya: I really I started to love these people and they are sharing their inner worlds and they are also struggling with some insecurities and it helped me not make myself flawed, but instead realize I'm human and that this is what happens to us as human beings and, um, it was a very life changing experience.
Tanya: I met people. Who became my husband fairly early on in that we just celebrated our 31st wedding anniversary. The, the life that I had dreamed of being married, having kids happen. So that was amazing. But the part I hadn't anticipated was the connection to myself. And so I left my career as a graphic designer and went back to school, got my master's in social work and I have been dedicating my life to helping other people have transformational journeys of their own since then.
Rebekka: Wow. Thank you for sharing that. Yeah, and it was reminding me of just the group coaching element the group therapy element that I know you're all about and that you offer and I haven't had anyone on I don't think where we have talked about that specific way to heal together in just a setting of coaching.
Rebekka: You know, sometimes I've talked maybe about, you know, meditation journeys or some plant medicine, you know, people want to go so deep, but there's a profound impact that can be had when you just bring some humans together in conversation, right? Yeah. So could you share a little bit more about like, in a group, like, why are you all about this group coaching?
Rebekka: And we mentioned being, being together can bring out the vulnerability. Is there anything more to add on to like, why is a group so powerful?
Tanya: Yeah, I mean, I think a few things. One, you can touch on the unconscious stuff. So when you hear other people speak, there's something that can happen inside our bodies that helps us know, oh, I'm resonating with that.
Tanya: Okay, I see myself there. And so sometimes we don't even Especially We're not remembering certain experiences or touching on some things about like our own layers, but that when we hear somebody else and resonate with some of what they're saying, we do come back to ourselves and get to know ourselves better and deeper in that way.
Tanya: I think. Yeah, to not to know you're not alone, I think is so powerful because and I work with people in groups and individually and honestly, usually first individually. And it usually takes a while for somebody to open up to the idea of group. People are pretty terrified of group and sometimes they don't really understand some of the value.
Tanya: But what I hear a lot from people is how much they feel like Other people are getting it and they're struggling and they, they kind of, I don't know, I, they really struggle to understand that they're not alone until they're in that experience.
Rebekka: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I actually, I'm reflecting on I, I had never been to therapy my whole life and then a few years ago when I was in Florida before moving out here, I found this amazing therapist and she offered group and I forget what she called it.
Rebekka: Maybe she called it group therapy and I was always for therapy. I was never, you know, I, I could see the stigma, but I was like kind of excited cause I'm just a self growth and self awareness kind of junkie person. But It was, but I'm also that very independent, like, well, I don't know that I need group, you know, I really just like this individual.
Rebekka: But as you just described that, I really did experience just that felt sense of humanity. And I spent a lot of my years, many years being more in like yoga and meditation groups, trainings, facilitation, all the stuff. So to be placed with people from all different backgrounds, all different types, but then to feel that common thread was so.
Rebekka: It felt so simple and kind of like a duh moment of like, yeah, of course you're going to feel connection, but I wouldn't have sought out that group of people because I was more in, well, if I'm going to be in a group, I'm going to be in like a yoga training or something like that. Yeah. But I totally could feel it just in the first few minutes.
Rebekka: And there were people and they're going through exactly what I was going through. Again, completely different lives, different interests, different humans. But that common thread really did pull me right in and It really was a special experience when I did that for the few months that I could while I was there, but Yeah.
Tanya: It really can be that simple. We don't have to go on some deep, like you said, the unconscious is tied to these conscious moments. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think many of us have probably also had the opposite of experience when you're in a group situation and you feel on the outside and you're not feeling connected and, and maybe a sense of irritation and almost like this idea that, okay, now I have to make wait for this person.
Tanya: to finish their story, but not seeing yourself. So I think it really depends too on how the space is created. And I'm saying space. It's sometimes it's a zoom room. I do all my groups virtually other than the retreats that I do in person. But so the space is really just as we're showing up and connecting together.
Tanya: What is that like? What are some of the expectations? What does that feel like? And I think it's so important. I think it's so important for that to kind of be a foundational piece of it's safe here. We do this here and, and you're with other people who are also allowing that vulnerability.
Rebekka: Yes. Oh gosh, yeah.
Rebekka: I'm a, I'm a Big believer in that safe space and that includes the, I mean, that is the facilitation of the facilitator. So yes, like people out there listening, maybe you have landed in a group practice and you're like, I did not feel safe there. You know, there was that over talker, those things Tanya, that you just mentioned.
Rebekka: So yes, I'm glad you added that in because it's not like just every group is going to be what we shared around connection. It really is a whole, and that includes having boundaries, having, you know, a facilitator with strong, you know, ability to hold all of it and not let that one person take over from the whole.
Rebekka: It really is an art, and that's a whole other conversation to a facilitator. The safe space, but I'm glad you chimed in on that and your zoom rooms and knowing that you are very aware of what goes into holding that type of environment for transformation. Yeah. Well, I'm curious too, to kind of peel back the curtain on your, your personal, like day to day practices for 30 plus years, you've been in this world of transformation and connecting to self.
Rebekka: Do you have, you know, and here we are modern mindfulness, but do you have, you meditate, you journal, do you draw, do you have like nature walks? You know, what's your, yeah. What's your life philosophy or things like that?
Tanya: My, my, uh, probably the philosophy is kind of whatever works and also simple is really powerful and important because if you can work it into your life in an ongoing way, then you can benefit from these things.
Tanya: And then I allow things to evolve. So. For me, I do a regular practice throughout each day of just checking in with myself and usually it's prompted by a moment when maybe I'm starting to feel a little bit overwhelmed in my day and then I kind of come back to my body. I use my breath a lot to ground myself and have just a little mantra for myself.
Tanya: What do you want? What do you need? And sort of, I just kind of check back and see where I'm at. I definitely have some limiting belief connected to productivity. So with me getting overwhelmed, that can be a driver of me starting to feel like, Oh my God, I've got to do this. I got to do that. And then. sort of reminding myself my pace is fine.
Tanya: And so it's like lots of different layers. So I think just regular check ins with myself and then very simple things. I'm, um, part of a hiking group that I do several times through the week. And, um, I love that. And that's not a, as you need it kind of thing. It's like, it's got its own place in my week, but doing that helps me feel rounded overall.
Tanya: I do all my work virtually now. So it's nice to have some in person community and that movement and the nature. And then very simple things like I've rediscovered puzzles. Honestly, I don't even know if I ever did puzzles before, but I've, I started to connect to puzzles a little bit and I've been enjoying the journey.
Tanya: I've realized a thousand piece puzzles is too overwhelming for me. So that doesn't do it for me, but I have a nice, like, 500 piece puzzle. I'll get up. I leave it sort of set up on the table in my house and I'll get up and just do it for a few minutes, get a piece or a couple of pieces. And there's something, because you can't really focus on, if you're doing a puzzle, you kind of have to focus on the puzzle.
Tanya: So it takes me out of some of what might be going around in my mind and kind of takes me out of that for a bit and just. Connecting to the mindfulness process of the puzzle itself. And then I don't know, petting my dog and like making eye contact with my dog. So I just love they'd be a very simple day to day things that can be real touchstones and grounding moments for us.
Rebekka: Whatever works. Yeah, exactly. I'm, I'm the same and I'm all about rituals and routines. I understand how doing something the same every day, especially, but I've watched so many people that I work with, at least they get so hung up on that. Cause again, it's like who I attract the perfectionist, the person that's prone to overwhelm.
Rebekka: So it's like, forget that you have to do the same thing. Like let's all the things you just listed, you know, find that list for you and whatever works.
Tanya: Yeah. That's so great. They actually love even. Writing down a list for yourself because I think sometimes when somebody is in a moment of needing to ground themselves or feeling overwhelmed, being able to pick something off a list can be helpful because sometimes it's hard to even remember, wait, what do I like?
Tanya: And what helps me get to that moment? Yeah. Yeah. The what do I need? What do I want? Like that. Those are loaded questions and could also invoke that feeling of like, ah, but to have some then practices to help you settle, be a little more present and then maybe even reintroduce those questions to those, the ones that needs are such a foundation of figuring out alignment.
Rebekka: Right. Like for sure. And, and part of what I was just thinking, actually, as you were saying, that is, yeah. The whole energetic clutter idea and starting to identify what's energetic clutter for each of us, what's energetic clutter in your life so that you know, to be on the lookout for when it shows up.
Tanya: And so part of what I had said to you is, uh, well, I mentioned 2 in my own life that are up there. I probably resonate with all 7 that I put in my animation, but. Um, the people pleasing stuff and also the productivity piece. And so I think the, what do you want, what do you need grew out of me in the past, not even checking with myself, not even questioning it.
Tanya: I was on the path, everything that was productive was like on the list. And because I'm mindfully in this journey of, Rest is really important and not getting a pace so intense that I need to crash afterwards is really important. And so I'm on that journey already. So that what do you want? What do you need?
Tanya: Question is part of the greater context of that's also in my day to day life to make sure I don't mindlessly just continue on that being productive path. Yeah, and now as you're saying that I'm thinking of like a micro of what you're sharing and then also knowing as you were sharing before we hit record of kind of the macro journey to have life and so I'm wondering if you'd share a little bit to where you know the wants and needs not being answered almost in so say you have a check in moment you really some clutters building the day to day yes but also in big life and here you are going through a call it a career shift of some sort.
Rebekka: So did you start to see even on a, like a macro level of energetic clutter, does it start to just amplify or intensify or in those questions, those check ins of wants and needs, did you start to have a little different answer at some point, like come through where you're like, okay, I'm not really getting, you know, my wants and needs met.
Rebekka: It's time for something different. How did that unfold?
Tanya: Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's. Um, interesting because I over the past couple of years, I'm almost losing track of time now past couple of years. So in my career, I've worked for myself. I've worked for other people. I've done both. I was a therapist. Now I'm a personal development coach.
Tanya: And so over the past couple of years, I was very, very focused. I deliberately left a practice that I was working with. And then I decided I'm coming back to do my own thing. And I had this vision of what that was going to look like I was going to do social media, I was going to guest on podcasts, and I was going to really explore exposure.
Tanya: What is that like these days, it was very different when I first became a therapist 30 years ago, when I went and did public speaking at a nearby school. So, um, so I, decided I'm going to connect to this new medium that I wasn't used to. And it's been an interesting journey, but in the process of it, I've been really enjoying some of the creation.
Tanya: Like I mentioned, this animation that I made, I loved making the animation. I mean, I didn't animate it myself, but it was my idea and it's my voice and it's my clip that I've created and all of that. And, um, Um, yeah, and I just some of the things that I had dreamed about over the years, starting to really almost do a dance with it, because I think what happened is when I first made the decision to leave that job and go out on my own, I had an idea of what that was going to look like I had an idea of how that was going to unfold.
Tanya: And it's just changed form. I, you know, I'm creating some things I'm collaborating with somebody now to work on a book I'm creating. Creating a course. I'm working on an app that I've been holding on in my heart for like 15 years and just, or I guess more like 10 years, actually, 2015, nine years. But you know, just that kind of thing of really starting to do some of these actions and then learning from myself, what is resonating for me?
Tanya: What is that? What is it that I want? And I think there was a part of me that lost. A bit of myself when I left the graphic design world and became a therapist and didn't really look back at the graphic design world. And now, even though I'm not actually doing graphic design, but there's something about that visual creation and that.
Tanya: Um, putting things to words and putting an offering that can help people in a very succinct way start to connect to parts of themselves and to be on their journey. So it's just different little bits and pieces that I'm connecting to that I really didn't expect was going to come up, but it's, it's coming up and I'm honoring it and I'm shifting a bit and it's, it's exciting and scary.
Rebekka: And yeah. So it's so inspiring. I love that. And it's just it's never too late to just start something different. And it's like there, there's sure a timeline, but there's no timeline to any of this. And as you share these things, you know, shared your, your creative and we're all creative. And it's just answering that call.
Rebekka: We don't have to get too woo today, but there is something to be said for that creative energy that really governs all of life and to open up to it and see what, what transpires when we open up. Is that kind of the process you have sort of getting out of your own way sort of thing and letting some sort of greater creative force that's come in and play?
Tanya: Yeah, I think that there was something for a little while. I mean, what you were talking about sort of like the needs not being matter that the greater need that kind of thing. I think there was a period where I was like trying to force sort of a path. And then when I realized that. There's these other things that are calling to me and I could only hear them when I got quiet enough or when I did some adjacent Actions and realize oh wait There's this other little thing that just really does speak to me and even the joy that I get when I've created Something to put out there in the world.
Tanya: I'm like, I feel really blessed proud of it. I love that experience and that feeling of, yes, this is the expression I wanted to be able to put out there. And I feel like I followed it and honored it. And now here it is. And there's something that's so lovely about letting it kind of guide you, you know, that kind of thing.
Rebekka: Yeah. Yeah. So beautifully put there. And just having awareness to, to all of this, to even, cause it's, Easy, I think, for people too that don't have, have never heard this conversation before and just live in that kind of tunnel vision, force the path way, but it's actually like I could just feel like the lightness and the fun and the freedom, but sometimes you have to go down that, that spiral for a little while or get that, you know, rock bottom, dark night of the soul, something to kind of give you that final nudge of like, I can't do it this way anymore.
Rebekka: I can't force it. the path anymore. What else can I do? And you're almost forced to surrender in a way of like, let go of the forcing.
Tanya: Totally. Yeah. And I'm so aware too of what I work on with my clients. And so often we talk about fear and doing some of the scary things and, you know, just getting ready for that and getting supporting people through that.
Tanya: And, you know, for me to be true to myself and the work that I do, I also need to do the scary things. And I think, It's some of that and scary because it's a little bit more unknown. There's a bit of a pause of where I'm putting my energy while I work on creation. And so it's, it's different than building a practice.
Tanya: And that's the focus. It's like, no, there's a bigger calling. There's a, Bigger voice that I want to put out there in the world. And I need time to really connect to what that is. I need to be able to get quiet enough to really let it come up and sort of honor what that is. So.
Rebekka: Hmm. Mm hmm. It's a nice segue into, I was going to ask you about your retreats, a deep reset, sounds like what you're mentioning, possibly some space for that.
Rebekka: And then also, I think, Enchanted Odyssey. Could you share a little bit about these retreats that you offer and how yeah, probably a real great space for everything you just said?
Tanya: Yeah. Retreats, probably my favorite thing, like the experience that I have I was going to say whether I'm facilitating or participant, but I love both.
Tanya: I love both sides of it. Um, but I really love being a facilitator. The deep reset I do with another therapist. Um, and she and I, I don't know, we have done a number of retreats together now. I I've lost. track. I think this next one, we have one coming in October 2024, I guess this year, October. Um, and, and that one is just something that we take people on a journey of just connecting to what feels like it's their truth and what's serving them, what's in the way and helping people put their finger on that and literally dissolve some of the ideas and sort of get really intentional about what do you want to create for yourself.
Tanya: And we have a connection, like a virtual group that we connect on before the retreat. And then we have another one a couple of weeks after the retreat so that people have a chance To go back into their lives and take some of what we've identified through our, it's a weekend, this particular deep reset, it's two full days, one night.
Tanya: And there's fun and connection, but also real like vulnerability and growth that we guide people through. Kathy Aneasy is the woman that I do this with, and she and I both always do our own work in life, in our lives, we do our own work, and also during the retreat, even, I mean, we're busy holding space for everybody, but we're also vulnerable and sharing sort of what comes up for us as well as we're doing some of this because I, I believe that it's a lifelong process continuing to grow is just We just keep going and we're not going anymore.
Rebekka: So yeah. Is this the one in Sedona?
Tanya: So this is the one in, um, uh, it's in New York, in Cold Spring, New York. It's at a beautiful, um, farmhouse and it's just the, the setting itself is beautiful. We do a little slumber party on the night that we stay there together and this delicious food and it's, it's lovely.
Tanya: And. Some of the people have gone to more than one because we do this one regularly and That's lovely just to be able to see people on their growth journeys and seeing how they're evolving and some Are able to connect with each other, but it's also the most welcoming group as well So if somebody's coming into the setting there's just such a warm Love really.
Tanya: I mean, I think that's part of what gets developed is people really feel love for each other. Yeah. Yeah. And then the other one, the enchanted Odyssey is a brand new one where actually we were going to do some offerings for 2024, but needed to pause because there was some big life stuff that had come up.
Tanya: for my partner. And so we moved it to 2025. But the intention there is not therapy based, more creative. And, um, I mean, I think they're both fun, but more creative focused and a little bit lighter in terms of the connection and the journey. And, um, yeah, Yeah. And just putting things out there for people always to be keeping in mind as you're going through each part of the journey so that you can really grow and connect to yourself while you're also connecting to the other people.
Rebekka: Oh, they both sound amazing. And everything you've shared today, I've no doubt that it's just the best experience and that you're just so aware of all these things to for the groups and for the individuals and for yourself. And it sounds like just the best recipe for. a deep reset or an enchanted odyssey of a time.
Rebekka: Yeah, I'll put all the details below too, of course, in the notes and let people.
Tanya: Oh, and enchanted odyssey. Just the other thing to mention is that moves locations. And the idea of really two is to connect to the magic of each location. So stay tuned for 2025. We had Um, some ideas of locations, including Sedona, New York City, Maine, a lot of things we had planned out the first time around.
Tanya: So as we get the offerings up and running, the part that will be constant is that the place will change. Yeah, that's fun. So it has that spontaneity kind of unknown, whereas then the reset to have that in the same place could also feel more grounding, more comfortable for the return.
Rebekka: And, um, yeah, sounds lovely.
Rebekka: Well, since we're on kind of the path of people finding out where to find you and what you offer, what else to share about how people can experience some. Whether sessions with you or further education or connection, where can they, where do you like to hang out?
Tanya: Yeah, I mean, probably the easiest way is for people to go to my website because it kind of houses everything and you can connect in various ways.
Tanya: And so that I have an easier to remember URL, which is clear energetic clutter .com. And so if somebody hops on there, I offer free discovery sessions. So if anybody's interested, there's absolutely no obligation. But if somebody is interested in exploring how I can support their journey, that's 20 minutes, and it's free.
Tanya: And you can schedule yourself right on my website. And then there's It's the animation we talked about and the little documentary of that story I shared that brought me into the healing world to begin with. Yeah.
Rebekka: Very nice. Yes. We'll put it all below and definitely encourage the video viewing for everyone.
Rebekka: And as I was admiring your website, it's also just a really nice website to peruse and check it all out and read and be inspired by. So thanks for sharing that. Yeah. And as we. Wrap this up. I do want to draw in the question around mindfulness and you're a mindful person, you know the word mindfulness I feel like I say this every time but just to mention it again I use the word in the title of the podcast at this point and to me it's awareness and to be You know, mindful, and there are more traditional practices of mindfulness, and that's not necessarily, you know, when I use the word what I mean, but this whole conversation is, is around being mindful with someone's life and all the things, but for you personally, Tanya, if there's a little snippet of advice or kind of a one, a one statement thing as to why is mindfulness important, no matter how you might define it, or whatever that might include in this moment, why is it important for our modern lives, the way people are moving through life right now?
Rebekka: Why is mindfulness something that is needed?
Tanya: I mean, I think what's coming to my mind, even as you're asking this question, and there's so many different layers or ways we can talk about this, but I spend a lot of time in my thinking mind. I would say that's my default and it's something that I need to be mindful of, but I know too, if I'm there, I'm a lot, very present.
Tanya: I don't even know what my feels like, and I'm not feeling grounded because I'm just. kind of lost in my head. And so for me to really catch that and come back to my body and be aware as I'm living the next few minutes out, I think helps me feel more present. It helps me know where my heart is and what what's going on.
Tanya: So it kind of connects to the other things we spoke about earlier. But yeah, just that practice and Very much to know that. Oh, yeah, there I am in my head again.
Rebekka: Yes, thank you for that. The old thinking mind and you've made me think of Ram Dass a few times and he talks a lot about the thinking mind and as you were mentioning the group therapy earlier and Just the connections of humans like and we're all just walking each other homes to give his his words to that moment And yeah, so what a lovely flow of this whole conversation.
Rebekka: Thank you so much for being here and sharing all of your uniqueness and offerings and It was fun.
Tanya: Yeah. Thank you. Really fun for me. And I love your energy. I know you're all about energy. It's been a nice space to be in with you and I think such a lovely organic kind of natural flow to it.
Rebekka: Awesome. Thank you. Very good. Cool. [00:39:00] Well, everyone check out Tanya. Check out all her things and, take care. We'll see you all next time.
Tanya: Bye.