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Mastering Transitions: Strategies to Thrive During Life’s Big Changes EP#123

• Bona Normandeau/Jodi Webster • Season 5 • Episode 9

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 In this episode of The Happier You podcast, I sit down with transition coach Jodi Webster to discuss navigating life’s major changes. Whether a transition is planned or unexpected, it can be difficult to handle. Jodi shares her personal journey into transition coaching, reflecting on her own career shifts and the challenges she faced without guidance. 

This episode dives into Jodi’s top tools and advice for navigating transitions, from practical strategies like maintaining an up-to-date resume and building an emergency fund, to emotional tools like celebrating small wins and overcoming self-doubt. Jodi also explains why it’s crucial to plan ahead, invest in your skills, and approach job searching with resilience.

For anyone facing a career transition—or just wanting to be better prepared—this episode is packed with actionable tips and insights to help you thrive, no matter what life throws your way.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

  • The difference between voluntary and involuntary transitions—and why preparation is key.
  • Jodi’s 10 practical tools for navigating career changes, 
  • The importance of addressing the emotional challenges of transitions, like self-doubt and stress, and how to celebrate small wins.
  • Why it’s essential to ask the tough questions during interviews, from salary to start dates.
  • Tips for maintaining momentum in your job search, even when faced with setbacks.

Notable Quotes from Jodi Webster:

  • “You want to keep as much money in your bank account as possible because everything takes longer than you think it will.”
  • “Invest in your own skills—even if it’s free or online courses. It keeps you exposed to new ideas and concepts.”
  • “Don’t get emotionally attached to a job lead. It’s a numbers game—apply, apply, apply.”
  • “Celebrate small wins. Overcoming the fear of job searching and getting those first applications out the door is a victory in itself.”

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[00:00:00] Bona Normandeau: Hey, happy people. Welcome back. Today I am very excited to have my friend, Jodi Webster on the podcast again. It's been a while since she's been with us, but Jodi is a transition coach and specialist who helps people navigate major life changes, whether they're recovering from brain or physical injuries.

and they need to figure out their next steps for employment given these new circumstances, or they're proactively seeking a new career or job opportunity due to life circumstances or personal choice. Whatever it is, Jodi is there to help people. The reason I invited Jodi on the podcast today is because we've been talking a lot lately about transitions and whether that's changing employers or switching career paths or starting something entirely new, these shifts are overwhelmingly stressful and that's exactly where Jodi's expertise shines.

So I thought it would be great for our listeners to hear her insights on navigating these big changes. Or at the very least, [00:01:00] get some ideas on how to set themselves up for success during this daunting process. So Jodi, welcome back to the happier you podcast.

[00:01:06] Jodi Webster: Thank you. Thank you for having me.

[00:01:10] Bona Normandeau: Okay. But before we really get into the meat and potatoes of transitioning and, , your area of expertise, I just want to take a minute to honor the fact that you were literally there at the very beginning of the happier you podcast.

And so for my listeners, I don't know if you know this, but. Way back in 2020, I had a conflict, I wanted to go to this podcast conference right before launching my podcast. The timing was brilliant, but I had a timing conflict. So I reached out to my friend Jodi and I said, Jodi, what do I do? Like I feel bad.

I need to go to this thing and I can't make the conference and Jodi said to me. In all seriousness, she says, no, I don't think you should go. I think you should do it wrong for a year and then go to the podcast conference next year and find out all the things that you should have done.[00:02:00] 

And I still, I love that tough love sarcastic moment because it epitomizes Jodi. So she's willing to tell you the tough stuff, but sometimes that's how you need to hear it. So Jodi, did you think we would still be doing this four years later when we went on that excursion in March of 2020?

[00:02:23] Jodi Webster: Yes, I did.

[00:02:24] Bona Normandeau: I didn't.

And that's the power of friendship folks. So Jodi, thank you again for the shove that your friend needed. So she literally came to the conference with me to make sure that I would go. So I always tell people Jodi's the friend who held my hand when I was too scared to do it on my own. And that's a great lead in to Jodi, the transition coach.

So Jodi, Can you just give our listeners a bit of a background of how you came to this work as a transition coach? 

[00:02:56] Jodi Webster: Absolutely. And first I want to say that it is always an honor to be part [00:03:00] of somebody's transition to their goal. And that's exactly what that, that trip was. Right. It was your transition to this . So always, always an honor to be part of that. So to give you a little bit of background, I want to give a little bit of a story first, if that's okay, it gives some context. I'll give you the really boring bio version afterwards. But this is the story that that sort of led me here. Okay, 

[00:03:27] Bona Normandeau: perfect. 

[00:03:27] Jodi Webster: So, so I joined the military at 18.

My, Okay. My path was a little bit different. I joined the reserves in an occupation that had really limited upward growth, and I also had a full time civilian job that also had sort of limited movement, limited career options. Nobody in my family had ever gone to university or any type of schooling, so there was like no emphasis at all on pursuing school from sort of the parental aspect of things.

This also meant that there was no financial support for schooling. [00:04:00] Now, I was, like, literally stuck in a rut. I was I was fearful because any movement would have taken me out of that full time job. I was, I was worried that I was going to be stuck in this terrible full time job that I, that I'd, There was nowhere to go.

So I was, I was stuck, right? The careers that I wanted actually at the time seemed impossible to reach. I had applied for all kinds of different jobs and opportunities. And, , despite applying, , I kept getting no's. So I just kept learning and kept taking on, , different, different jobs, trying to build different skills.

One day I actually got an interview that turned into a job that I was super excited about. No, interestingly, I had an opportunity to have a conversation with somebody who worked in the same company, but in a different branch office, if you will. Okay. And that person told me that I was crazy. You are crazy to take this job.

This [00:05:00] new job required that I move away from my, my home, my community, my family. It was a new team. It required learning a lot of things that I didn't have any experience with and it was a big risk. It was a full time job, but it wasn't forever. It wasn't permanent. It was a temporary job. But I wanted that job and I, and I took it.

The employer was actually also taking a big risk on me because I didn't exactly fit their full criteria, their full mold of what they were looking for. Right. But this was literally the turning point in my career and brought me to the field of. Going to work every day there gave me joy. Now, , there were challenges.

It was, it was a difficult job. It required travel. It was complex, but the job literally opened my eyes to this field of psychology that I had no idea existed. And I've been fortunate to have followed this path since that very day. [00:06:00] So, there's a, there's a day in my calendar that I can attribute to that, and that was March 16th of 2002.

And it's a pretty significant day for me for a couple of different reasons. And that was the day that started me on this journey to now, where I actually get to help people navigate that transition that I needed help with, and that I didn't have help with. Right. And for the listeners to be clear, the person who gave me that chance and set me on this path was you.

So we come full circle. Isn't that funny? Now, the boring version of this, or maybe the clinical version of my, my biography, I have a master's degree in industrial organizational psychology. My work includes providing evaluations and support for people who are experiencing those difficult work transitions and either voluntarily.

Or involuntarily. So there's the non sexy version of my, of my my bio. [00:07:00] 

[00:07:01] Bona Normandeau: Okay, first of all, Jodi did a great fill in there while I was tearing up. Because I realized as she was telling the story, that's when we met and got to work together, which was amazing. Started a great friendship. But I also, I also gave Jodi the challenge before they before I hit record, we were chit chatting and I said, Jodi, your challenge is to use the term non sexy in the interview.

And she did it. 10 points, Jodi. Good job.

[00:07:30] Jodi Webster: Thank you. Thank you. 

[00:07:31] Bona Normandeau: I love that story, Jodi, because, A, I recognized that turning point for you, and it's so interesting that you have been able to look back and see that as your turning point. But it's true, because when Jodi and I met, we were in recruiting, and we were literally helping people.

So they're going to set themselves up for, you know, what career best fit them in the military. It's so interesting that that started. [00:08:00] Absolutely. You left that job and then went and got your degree. You've never looked back. You've been helping people. Transition ever since, which is so cool. And I love how you spoke to.

You know, somebody, a naysayer, basically pooh poohing your idea to shake things up and, and those people are out there. They're, they don't mean to be mean. They're fearful for themselves. Right? Like, no, don't, don't give up your full time job. Don't all the comforts that you know, but sometimes there's something inside of us that just says, I got to go.

I need change. I need something different. Right. I'm ready. And, and. Honestly, the beginning of that journey, it's true. There is something that happens inside of us that's like, the pain of remaining the same is greater than the pain or the fear of change, right? 

[00:08:49] Jodi Webster: And that, and that fear is real, right? Like, like, like you can be so stuck and feel so lost in employment and work and [00:09:00] careers and jobs and all that sort of stuff.

And yet I see so many people that wait until they're so miserable in their work that they get fired. And then they've got nothing, right? So they haven't done any planning. They're just so miserable. They're so lost that literally the transition catalyst decision gets made for them as opposed to them making the decision.

[00:09:22] Bona Normandeau: Right. And not to discount how miserable you are to everybody around you. , right? So, you know, because we we've both seen that. But Jodi, you also have a lot of experience with traumatic brain injuries, medical conditions it's again, it's not their choice. They are being forced into this transition.

So what are some of the basic Advice, tools that you give to people who are in a transition. 

[00:09:53] Jodi Webster: That's, that's actually a really, really great question. So now there's two types of [00:10:00] transitions, as we've talked about. So we've talked about the voluntary transition where somebody wants to make a change. And then the involuntary transition.

And, you know, up until now, I've probably seen 90 percent involuntary. Transition people right where that decision was made for them. Either they were laid off or, or there was some sort of accident or injury that led them to me. But, you know, so if at all possible, I actually want to front load the process to give, you know, the highest chance.

Of success. So my tools some of them may not apply because you haven't gotten there yet, or maybe they can apply now because you're in preparation. So my, my tools are dependent on where you are in the process, but they're not all after the fact. Some of them could be sort of before the transition, leading up to.

[00:10:48] Bona Normandeau: Yeah, gotcha. 

[00:10:48] Jodi Webster: Yeah. So I kind of wanted to frame this as, you know, these are sort of like. 10 tools, maybe we should be thinking about these concepts [00:11:00] prior to transition, some of them you won't use until you get to transition, but you're at least thinking about them before you get there. 

[00:11:08] Bona Normandeau: Gotcha. Yep. 

[00:11:09] Jodi Webster: So they're in no particular order, because it's going to depend on where you are.

So number 1 doesn't apply. Specifically to transition at all. It's like having an emergency fund, right? So some of the largest stressors that people have after losing a job, they all relate to finances, right? I can't afford to be off work. I can't pay my rent, you know, just because, you know, an insurance company or, you know, some other claim is going to eventually potentially.

Pick up some of, you know, your wage loss doesn't doesn't mean it'll kick in right away. There's always delays have that emergency fund have that plan well ahead of time when you lose a job or you anticipate changing jobs start downsizing and minimizing expenses. So, your emergency fund is going to go a lot [00:12:00] further if you've, you know, gotten rid of.

Netflix and Disney and Crave and Prime and you know, all of those things that are good, nice to haves, but they're not need to haves. So a lot of what I've seen is that people are like, yeah, yeah. I'll, when I need to, I'll downsize. You want to keep as much money in your bank account because every single thing takes longer than you think it will.

Right. Looking for work. Talking to an employer, getting interviews, and then the final transition to actually getting a job, those, you know, it's not days, it's, it's weeks, and then some, for some people, it's months. Right, right, right. So, I guess tool number three, invest in your own skills. So even when you're actually in a job, you have to keep investing in your own skills.

And if we look at, let's use people in technology as an example, they get. You know, really focus on the type [00:13:00] of technology and the tools that are needed in their technology job. They forget about all the other stuff. Well, if they lose that job, they don't have any up to date certifications. Their primary focus has been in this 1 area.

Well, they're less attractive to other tech companies who may be wanting things that are a little more up to date. So invest in your own skills and it could be free courses. It could be. Online courses from LinkedIn Learning, you're not necessarily putting them on your resume. But it's keeping you exposed to new ideas, new concepts, you know, that you can, that you can use later.

So then number four was maintain and actually update your resume, you know, regularly. It keeps you, like, apprised of your own skills, but it also means that when you go to need it, it's actually up to date and you can look back and you've got all your data there. You're not trying to figure that out later.

[00:13:57] Bona Normandeau: You and I just went through this process and I know [00:14:00] for me, two things happened. One is it takes a lot longer to do than you think. So if you kind of have it at the ready, but the other thing that I found is because you helped me with it and you're good at this, you do this every day. It was empowering to see my skills on paper.

So that is something that I joined the military. I didn't. I didn't do a resume for years because the military just gives you your next job, right? Yes. But it was a really interesting insight into the skills that I bring to the table. And I was just applying for a higher education program, but it still was for me, I was like, wow, I think everybody should do this.

It's such, it's such an ego boost to see what you've accomplished in life and the skills you've amassed on paper. 

[00:14:50] Jodi Webster: Absolutely. And, and there are different styles of resumes and most people gravitate to here's the job I had. And here are the tasks that I did [00:15:00] below. And that, that doesn't bring out those skills like a skills based resume will.

And that's not necessarily something that Google is going to do really well at. Right. Now tool number five, if you get laid off or fired from a job, there's no harm in actually seeking a consult from an employment lawyer. Employers do get things wrong and getting the proper notice or severance is critical for your interim and financial stability.

If you lose your job, start job searching right away. Start getting support lined up. Lots of people wait. And I hear a lot of Well, I, I just need a little bit more time and I worked really hard. This is really scary. I need to give myself a break and I'll get back at this after giving myself a couple of weeks off.

It's a hard transition into job search, but it's certainly not going to be made any easier by delaying the inevitable. So get out there right away. Get that momentum going. Now, [00:16:00] don't wait until you're so frustrated with the process of job searching independently to seek support because I'll see people.

You know, I've been off work for several months and I literally need to get a job next week or I'm not going to be able to pay my rent. And so now I'm desperate and I'm calling somebody. Well, you know, there may not be openings right away. And there's work that needs to be done. So, you know, plan ahead.

Right? Number eight is actually practice and refresh your interview skills for interviewing. Interviewing is its own beast. And it takes practice. So, you know, there's a, you know, I hear a lot of, Nah, I'll just wing it. That never, ever, never goes well. Number nine is know how to answer the questions that you actually don't want to answer and that you're uncomfortable answering.

And if I had a nickel for every person who told me that they left an interview and they didn't ask about salary because the interviewer didn't bring it up, or they didn't ask about potential start dates, [00:17:00] or when decisions were going to be made, or how to follow, they didn't ask any of those questions because they were They were afraid, right?

You have to get comfortable asking those questions. What if, what if, you know, your, the salary that's advertised is one level and yet the interviewer tells you that they're looking at something lower. That might change whether you, you consider that job in the future. Right? But, you know, I've had people accept jobs and never know what the employer was going to pay them.

Right? And I was like, you, you have to ask about that. And they just won't, they refuse. And number 10, don't get emotionally attached to a job lead. Apply, apply, apply. I've had people tell me, Oh, I applied for these two jobs. I really am excited about them and I'm not. When I hear about these jobs, then I'll start looking, you know, for something else if I need to, but I'm so stoked about these.

I'm like, if they never get back to [00:18:00] you and you really like it, then you're never going to move on and look for another job. Don't, don't get emotionally attached. Just apply. 

[00:18:06] Bona Normandeau: Especially if you were too afraid to ask them when they, you find out about the job, right? Like. 

[00:18:12] Jodi Webster: And nowadays, with the sort of online portal application things, and you're, you, you get no closure, right?

Or you'll get an interview and. You'll hear nothing back. They will absolutely ghost you and that's happening more and more. So, it's frustrating because people are sending out resume after resume after resume and they're getting zero closure. So, you just have to forget about getting responses. Do your follow ups.

Do all the steps, you know, but just apply. And something will come up. It's kind of a numbers game.

[00:18:48] Bona Normandeau: It's very interesting because we have a teenager who obviously has been applying for jobs. And yes, the not asking questions because it's uncomfortable. And, and everybody has [00:19:00] that. Like, let's be honest as an adult.

You know, that's, that's not teenager specific. But I think for teenagers, they're talking to adults, so it's Extra intimidating. I'm just going to wing it. That is a phrase that we've heard around this house. So I love all those, you know, me, I love a checklist. I love practical tips. And that all makes sense.

What about the emotional side of things? How do you help people navigate through that? Because let's be honest, like you acknowledged at the beginning transition is hard, whether you've chosen it or not. There is stress, self doubt, all of those things that go along with it. Like I said, whether you've chosen it or you've, it's been chosen for you.

[00:19:44] Jodi Webster: And I will actually bring this back around to some of the happiness tools that we've talked about in the past now. And I may not label them as such with the clients that I'm working with, but they're there. Right. So let's talk about. Sort of celebrating small wins, [00:20:00] right, overcoming the, the fear of job searching and getting those first applications out the door.

That's a win, right? Every single time you, you, you get out there and you start working through the steps in the process, it's a win, right? So. We celebrate those, right? So, you know, applications, interviews, you know, debriefing after interviews, and then celebrating the big wins. Like, I, I really love it when people send me selfies from the car, you know, day one of my first job or, you know, , like, or, you know, I got the job.

I start next week. I love that because I then get to celebrate that win with them. Right? Right. I think. Connections. It's interesting because connections comes into play in a couple of ways because sometimes your connections can actually result in a job opportunity that you didn't know existed that that you then have a little bit [00:21:00] of a of an inside track on, right?

And your connections are those people that can also help you through the really crappy days of job searching. Right? So, you know, get, you know. Get out there. Get it done. You know, you don't we never suggested people that they spent all day job searching right pick An hour, you know, or two hours, depending on which part of job searching you're doing, you know, work through those processes, then go do something, go do something, right.

You know, or at least some sort of activity, some sort of recharge activity, if you will. Right, right. Right. So maybe it will be going to the gym or going to the pool or, you know, opening up the box of Lego you got for Christmas or whatever. But get out there and do some of those things because those are the things that help you regroup.

Recenter and come back and face some nose from this process, right? 

[00:21:56] Bona Normandeau: Right, right. That's always rejection is tough, right? Like, [00:22:00] yeah, yeah, 

[00:22:00] Jodi Webster: yeah.

And you know, there is some self compassion in there too, right? Like acknowledge that, that, you know, you're, you're going to send out a cover letter and you're going to have made a mistake.

Okay. Move on. Right? Acknowledge it. Yep, that sucked. Okay, moving on. You know, or an interview where you feel so prepared and you go in there and the interviewer just throws you off your game, right? And you leave there feeling frustrated and upset, right? Because you finally got an interview and it didn't go as well as you thought it was going to go.

You know, so sometimes you have to give yourself a little bit of grace and Look at it and go, okay, what, what didn't go well, let's work on those pieces and you get right back on that horse and get out there again.

[00:22:45] Bona Normandeau: Yeah. So like reflection and review, like the ability to say, you know, okay, I, I lived that celebrate that you did something hard, but then, okay, what can I learn from it?

Right. Like what, what can I do better next time or, or the other one I think too is [00:23:00] self awareness is yes. How can I ask for help? Like when, you know, if you've been in this for a while or you're preparing for it and knowing that it's going to be tough, how can you set yourself up for success or where do you need to ask for help?

Like you and I were chatting before we hit record, you know, about doing taxes and some people hire someone else to do taxes, those are the smart people. And then there's other people who. And it's super stressful, not going to mention any names of that one, right? And so it's, there's things that you can facilitate you can ask for help.

You can set up support structures in place kind of thing, right? I would think that that, I would just think, especially people who are forced into this transition, it's gotta be. You gotta take care of yourself. You have to ask for help. 

[00:23:53] Jodi Webster: Yeah, absolutely. And the difficult thing in asking for help is sometimes we don't know what we don't know, right?

So we look at [00:24:00] other people who have transitioned between jobs, and we go, well, obviously they do it. It's doable. Like, you know, I keep hearing this thing about there's all these jobs out there, and employers are hiring, and they can't find enough people. And, you know, so many people go through the transition process every year, getting out of, you know, some Some specific jobs in some industries like the RCMP or the military and they transition.

How traumatic was that transition first off? Right. Right. And are they where they want to be? Right. Like, like, I'm a, I'm a believer that sometimes you're not always going to. Live your dream job right, right out the gate. And sometimes there's, there's a path to get there. So we've got to identify the path.

We've got to sort of ladder on to different things in order to get to where you want to go. Right. And sometimes it means going down, going down a notch or two so that you can build on a different [00:25:00] ladder, if you will. Right. So there's lots of different hurdles along the way. So just because other people have done it doesn't mean they've done it well, doesn't mean they got to where they wanted to get to, and at what cost, right?

So, you know, Unfortunately, the investment in getting somebody to help you may look like a lot of money when you're trying to downsize your expenses. But at what point do you spend that? Right. Yeah.

[00:25:36] Bona Normandeau: Yeah. Right. It's almost along the lines of work smart, not hard, right, or, yeah. How long do you want to be in this transition?

[00:25:44] Jodi Webster: Absolutely. I actually prepared a case study because, you know, a lot of people will look at career transition and say, okay, well, I, you know, I don't have the financial ability to do that. There are. You know, other options, and maybe other options are going to take a little bit [00:26:00] longer, or they're going to be less comprehensive, but some help is better than no help.

Right? So there, there are potentially resources in your community, like like work, you know, in BC, WorkBC has, has options. Sometimes there are, you know, certainly free options online, right? Like LinkedIn Learning has a lot of different career transition components, and, Depending on the type of transition coach.

I mean, I look at it and I go, if you have a finite budget, then you're just going to end up doing more work. Right? Doesn't mean I'm not going to help you with the really important things, but it means that you're going to do some LinkedIn learning courses first so that I don't have to give you the foundation.

You've already covered the foundations. And then when you get to me, we hone in and we focus on the really important pieces. But, you know, don't just not get help. Because you're worried. Reach out. Ask the question. What are the [00:27:00] costs? Is it, I don't, I'm not a cookie cutter person. I'm a, what is your situation?

And let's look specifically at what you need. Because what you need is different from what this person needs and this person needs. And it doesn't do me any good to give you all the same things. Right? Right. Right. But here's a really good case study example. And this was actually from last month. Okay.

And I'm not expecting that everybody is going to be able to, you know, sort of follow this, this timeline. This is what worked out for this person. But it, it really highlights if you put all the right things in place at the right timings, it can work out in your favor. Right? So Christopher, he lost his job on the 18th of November 2024.

He contacted me on the 18th of November 2024, and he actually contacted an employment lawyer the following day. I suggested to him that based on what he told me, of how [00:28:00] he was let go, and what was in his severance, I'm like, I think you should talk to an employment lawyer. So he did, and he talked to the employment lawyer the next day.

His resume had already been updated as we'd actually been looking at some potential other jobs earlier in September, so his resume was, was ready to go, and I just basically said, come on down and start, start job searching. Sometimes when you stick out in your home, you're more likely to get distracted and.

You know, frustrated and, you know, you end up vacuuming and washing floors and doing laundry instead of job searching like you're supposed to be. So I said, come on down to the office, bring your laptop and start job searching. He did some job searching. I did some job searching and he literally started like the next day on the 19th.

So concurrently he completed multiple interviews. He applied online and in person, which is an Always done, but he, he did and he at the same time was renegotiating his severance package based on his discussion with the employment lawyer. [00:29:00] He signed his severance letter on the 21st of November and literally doubled his severance package.

[00:29:06] Bona Normandeau: Wow. 

[00:29:07] Jodi Webster: Based on his conversation with the employment lawyer and by going back and having that hard conversation with the employer. He got a job offer on December 3rd. And his start date we knew was going to be a couple weeks out due to the requirement for a security clearance. And from what I understand, he's starting on the 13th of December.

His severance package wasn't a, like a lump sum. It was a, we're going to keep paying you. So he should start his new job on the 13th of December and his severance doesn't end until the 16th of January. Very nice. And his severance was not conditional on getting a job. So it's not like his employer was.

They didn't agree to if you get a job right away, we'll stop our severance. You should still have income coming in while he completes that in some cases, 2 weeks work period before you get right. So, just [00:30:00] over 2 weeks from job loss until job secured and then roughly, you know, a month between. Losing his job and starting another one.

Yeah. Yeah, and that's like the best case scenario the very best case scenario But I I also think that that's what happens when you you know, just okay. This is what yes I'm not saying he's not gonna you know, grieve that job or be frustrated or upset about being let go Like that still happens, you know We need to move forward, like jobs are so critically important to not just our mental health, but our actual ability to pay our bills, right?

Which again, contributes to mental health and, you know, all of those things, stress.

[00:30:48] Bona Normandeau: So, yeah, that's like you say, a best case scenario. And the fact that he was obviously already looking at moving on, but it's not always like that for everyone. So there's definitely, I'm sure some [00:31:00] shock and delay in there for lots of people.

So. 

Yes. All right, Jodi. So we wanted to talk about this because you and I, we love to talk shop when we catch up and stuff, just what different people are going through and and ways to help people in general. So if people want to know more about you and your help, where do they find you? 

[00:31:21] Jodi Webster: So I'm in the middle of revamping my website, so they're not going to find me online at this point.

Isn't that funny? 

[00:31:29] Bona Normandeau: Yeah, we have terrible timing on this interview.

[00:31:31] Jodi Webster: Yeah, right, right but you can reach out to me via email and it's jodi, j o d i at keyrehabservices. ca.

[00:31:40] Bona Normandeau: Perfect. And I'll put that in the show notes, Jodi. And then once your website's up and running, we'll just, I'll, I'll add that in as well.

So thank you so much for doing this with me. Like I said, we've been, we've been kind of chatting about this for a while and I just feel like people I've been talking to lately. are in transitions. And I think, [00:32:00] you know, there's the mental health side of it, which you touched on. Thank you for mentioning that.

But then also the practical side of things that you can help yourself prepare for before a transition is shoved down your throat or whether you chose it kind of thing. So now I always ask my guests for their favorite quote. I'm hoping that you remember.

[00:32:21] Jodi Webster: I absolutely do. Yay. And, you know, if you're an employer and you're sort of listening to this and you're thinking about it from a career transition standpoint you might not be in career transition, but you might have the opportunity to really make a difference in somebody's life by giving them an opportunity to do a practicum placement or a, a work placement or a job shadow or hiring somebody who you think.

Might really be a good asset for your company, but they may not check all the boxes. So trying to sort of suggest to people that to put some good out in the world and maybe give people an opportunity cause cause times are tough right now. And [00:33:00] so this leads to my favorite quote in this IO world that I live in and There's a few from Simon Sinek, but this is this is one of the ones that I really like and he says there is an entire section in the bookshop called self help, but what we really need is a section called help others and career transition being so challenging.

We really have to help others. And it might be a shoulder. It might be a helping hand or a shove in the right direction, or it might be some, you know, practical boots on the ground, , let let's, , let's let's work through all the pieces, the difficult pieces in order to get you through it.

[00:33:46] Bona Normandeau: Yeah, well, and I have to say, Jodi, I think that quote speaks to who you are. I know you really light up helping people. Thank you for coming on and sharing your expertise and your sense of humor and your [00:34:00] guidance. I think it's all good advice.

[00:34:01] Jodi Webster: Well, it's not sexy advice. 

[00:34:06] Bona Normandeau: She did it again, two for two. Good job, Jodi.

All right. Happy people. Remember when you have a choice, choose happy, have a good one and go get your happy [00:35:00] on.