Boost Brain Health with Simple Exercises & Key Supplements

Join hosts Josh Bellieu and Adam Payne with guest Keith Bishop as they explore the intersection of brain health, cognitive decline, and nutrition. Delve into the benefits of supplements like berberine and curcumin, while uncovering the impact of exercise and neuroplasticity on mental acuity. Learn how lifestyle changes can reverse dementia and enhance cognitive function. 

Discover the role of protein, NAC, and nitric oxide in supporting brain health and longevity. Packed with insights, this episode offers practical advice for harnessing dietary and lifestyle strategies to protect and improve brain function.

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Transcript

0:00:00 - (Keith Bishop): Berberine helps decrease some of the absorption of the carbs from the gut. And so therefore, taking the berberine before you eat is going to help decrease the glucose. And therefore we're not going to have the spikes and get that glycation effect of the blood vessels contributing to the end result of atherosclerosis, plaque buildup, narrowing of the blood vessels. So, and then also another benefit on the berberine is that it helps to kill out bad bacteria, viruses, yeast, and it helps establish a new, more beneficial gut bacteria.

0:00:42 - (Keith Bishop): And so that's something else that is a newer area about gut health. Actually, most of our brain chemicals, neurotransmitters, rather, are made in the gut. Okay. And so berberine helps to balance that out some. And definitely there are some, definitely a lot of animal studies and then starting a few human studies about the benefits of berberine for brain function.

0:01:15 - (Josh Bellew): It's ultra life today. I'm Josh Bellew. We're talking about brain health, cognitive decline, dementia, Alzheimer's, what you can do about it. I just want to start this once again by saying there's massive hope. Some simple things you can do related to exercise, supplementation, related to things you can do to retrain your brain and help it stay on track. And even I've heard great stories recently in an interview I saw about people reversing some pretty bad cases of dementia.

0:01:50 - (Josh Bellew): And so I promised earlier that we'd have a cameo appearance from one of our favorite people. The founder of Ultra Botanica. Adam Payne is joining us this time with Keith Bishop, retired pharmacist, clinical nutritionist.

0:02:06 - (Adam Payne): This guy is one of my favorite.

0:02:07 - (Josh Bellew): Now it's going to turn into like, I thought of a name for you the other day, Adam. I'm trying to remember what it was. It was, it was. Oh, Adam Paine, the Science Brain. Because you got Bill Nye the science Guy, Right? So it's Adam Payne, the Science brain. So welcome, Mr. Science, to Ultra Life today.

0:02:25 - (Adam Payne): Thank you.

0:02:25 - (Josh Bellew): I hope to your own show.

0:02:27 - (Adam Payne): I am, I hope to live up to somebody's expectations today. Okay, so where are we at?

0:02:32 - (Josh Bellew): Yeah, Keith, I'm going to throw out about three things that maybe will help us move on into this section of supplementation and everything I've learned about it. I can't wait to hear what you have to say. Are there simple exercises, brain exercises that people can do that actually demonstrate that you can begin to improve your recall and your brain function?

0:02:53 - (Keith Bishop): Yes, definitely. Besides the physical exercise of, of walking and weight training, resistance training, hiit. Hiit. High intensity interval training, Those physical kind of things. Yes. And because the brain's going to control the muscles, and the muscles are getting feedback and the nerves back to the brain, but even more simple things of puzzles.

0:03:16 - (Josh Bellew): So jigsaw puzzles, crossword puzzles.

0:03:18 - (Keith Bishop): Crossword puzzles.

0:03:19 - (Josh Bellew): Anything working the brain.

0:03:20 - (Keith Bishop): Yeah. Although anything that we're working on, something with our hands and our eyes, it helps with the brain. Music. Playing music. Not listening to music, but playing music, you know, being a musician or learning to become a musician, you know, even if you're not good at it, you know, But. But that all is exercising the brain, making the brain do new things.

0:03:46 - (Adam Payne): I love this topic 1. There was a documentary about neuroplasticity that came out, I think, almost a decade ago. That blew my world up completely. I'm not in the space of kind of like rehabilitation medicine, but we've been working with a lot of doctors in aging and regenerative medicine, like the ultracur product being kind of like our flagship in aging and regeneration. But what I'd like to say is that we all know the feeling of creating new neural pathways in our brain.

0:04:23 - (Adam Payne): We know the feeling. It's an unpleasant feeling. It's that feeling of I can't quite get my brain to do what I'm trying it to do, but I'm going to kind of force it to get there. And we know that feeling. It's the same feeling. We learned it because when we're babies and we can't move our arms and we can barely get them into our.

0:04:45 - (Josh Bellew): Face, keep getting up and walking. Because I watch what's on that table over there.

0:04:49 - (Adam Payne): Yeah. Just moving my hand to the place I wanted to go was that baby developing neural pathways to control the arm.

0:04:58 - (Josh Bellew): And it moves like we talked about earlier, Adam. It moves to habit and even passion and conviction as you develop these new.

0:05:07 - (Adam Payne): Neural networks and then trust in your ability to do something right. So there was a documentary about people that had strokes. And so the conventional wisdom, I think, up to that point was in rehabilitation. Well, we're just going to have to. If you have, like, a stroke on your left side of your body, we're just going to have to teach you how to live your life with the right side of your body. Right. Because your left side's gone. And now we're going to teach you to use the right side.

0:05:32 - (Adam Payne): And these neurologists, they did the exact opposite. They're like, you know what? We're going to help that brain create new neural pathways to the bad side of the body so they would actually bind up the good side and make them struggle to try to move, just even touch the body on the table. And you know what happens is they developed new neural pathways to a side of their body that was, that had become completely disconnected from their brain.

0:06:02 - (Josh Bellew): So Keith, we talked about exercise earlier and I know we'll keep circling the wagons back to that. You and I were made aware of a study that's been done talking about body strength in the lower extremities, so the legs, the calves, and how progressive resistance weight training actually creates this unique opportunity. Or they've proven it now, basically. I mean they, they all but proved it in this study that it's a phenomenal way lower leg strength to be able to really just boom. You know, neural, neural pathways exhilarated and exploding.

0:06:44 - (Adam Payne): What do you know about that? This seems a little far fetched. Explain. Well, Keith, so what, what's your thought?

0:06:50 - (Keith Bishop): Well, once again, it's the exercise. It's a combination of blood supply, you know, and pumping and pumping the blood up to the heart. I mean the heart pumping the blood rather. But also that's going to go up to the brain, improve circulation to the brain learning, you know, and making the nerve cells work. You know, it's going to be part of that, but part of it is going to be I'm just going to go back to circulation.

0:07:13 - (Keith Bishop): So another older study actually, and I'm not blessed with large calf size, but actually a small calf size is related to an increased risk of cardiovascular disease, heart attack and strokes.

0:07:26 - (Adam Payne): Interesting.

0:07:27 - (Keith Bishop): And so from a small calf size, small calf, and it has to do with the muscles and the fats that are in that calf. I've exercised, I've done everything I can, I can increase that. So my son in law, the coach, he says, oh yeah, you should, it'll work. No, it won't. Okay. And so there's some genetics involved in that, but I still do it. So even though I don't have that large muscle mass, actually I have some nutrient absorption issues that probably compounded that too over the years.

0:08:00 - (Josh Bellew): And I love progressive resistance training for a variety of reasons. Our good friend Kyle Drew and I talk about it a lot on the radio. And it's great for bone health. It's great for everything. I've seen some phenomenal studies done with elderly people in nursing homes. Just beginning with the lightest weights, pushing themself up in a chair, not even standing up. And then their bone density gets better.

0:08:23 - (Keith Bishop): Exactly. Even just doing. While I'm waiting on my coffee to brew, I'll do modified Push ups against the kitchen counter. I'm brushing my teeth.

0:08:34 - (Josh Bellew): I'll do heel braces.

0:08:35 - (Keith Bishop): I'll do heel braces. And I'm flossing. I'll do going to a squat. And even I've had both my hips replaced. I don't want to wear this that out. So I will go down into a squat and just hold it while I'm flossing.

0:08:48 - (Josh Bellew): You know, you've created a very interesting mental picture about your. Your morning ablutions and habits. Keith. I'm just telling you. It's like I'm seeing Keith making coffee while he's pouring cup, you know, while.

0:08:58 - (Keith Bishop): He'S carrying the coffee grounds outside. I'm using that as a weight, you know, and trying to make it take advantage of that moment.

0:09:05 - (Josh Bellew): That's cool, though. I love that you're being present, thinking about little things you can do. Our friend Kyle Drew tells the most amazing story about a lady that heard him preaching on Doug Kaufman show one day. If you can't even get from the kitchen table to the couch, go from the kitchen table to the chair in between. And she sent them a video months later. She was in her 80s, I think, and had completely changed her life, changed her weight. Was walking around the block.

0:09:36 - (Josh Bellew): That one little first step. So being present, thinking about what you can do, you know, if you, if you're sitting, think about what you could do to go pick.

0:09:44 - (Adam Payne): So it's kind of making the most of each moment is what you're trying to do.

0:09:47 - (Josh Bellew): Absolutely. Yeah. Living in the moment.

0:09:48 - (Keith Bishop): So for those that still watch TV that's got commercials on. When the commercial comes on, it's time to get up.

0:09:55 - (Adam Payne): Oh, interesting.

0:09:56 - (Keith Bishop): Even if you can just stand up and sit back down. Stand up, sit back down. Every time that commercial comes on, you've got to get up and do something awesome.

0:10:06 - (Adam Payne): It's better than doing that like a drinking game, you know. Well, that was the college version of this.

0:10:11 - (Josh Bellew): And what I love about what you just said. And again, a, it's a theme constantly among me and some friends when we're talking about it. Just the one little thing that you can begin to do actually is that first steps toward the potential of optimal health. It really is. And they have actually done studies on these people that just get up in between a commercial or go do this or go do that just in their own house.

0:10:37 - (Josh Bellew): And they live longer and they're healthier.

0:10:39 - (Keith Bishop): That's right.

0:10:40 - (Josh Bellew): It's incredible.

0:10:41 - (Adam Payne): It's really interesting. What you're talking about is gaming yourself.

0:10:44 - (Josh Bellew): Yeah.

0:10:44 - (Adam Payne): And take you Know, essentially you're. You're turning every moment into a game that I can. I can optimize my health.

0:10:50 - (Josh Bellew): Little challenge.

0:10:51 - (Adam Payne): Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's great. So, Keith, have you ever made a list of, like, those kind of game things that you do? Keith? Because that would be kind of fun to circulate.

0:10:59 - (Josh Bellew): Well, I can't unsee what he told me about.

0:11:02 - (Adam Payne): Well, I mean, standing up, sitting down with. Yep.

0:11:05 - (Keith Bishop): So in my underwear. So.

0:11:07 - (Josh Bellew): Well, oh, now that's even better. Took it to a whole new level. Anyway, so supplementation, Keith. And again, I was such a neophyte on brain health, and I still am, but after seeing this interview with Mr. Holford out of Cambridge, I think, in England, I was blown away about how simple the protocol can actually be for individuals to supplement. You know, and you get a bonus with some of these of cardiovascular health as well.

0:11:37 - (Josh Bellew): But, but the supplementation issue, what, what are the key nutrients that play the biggest roles in an individual who may be. Is already showing signs of some cognitive decline? And what are the key supplements that you, Keith Bishop, would say today? Here's my list. Here's where you go.

0:11:59 - (Keith Bishop): Okay, so number one, we have to get our proteins. Okay. So brain chemicals come from protein and fats, you know, carbohydrates, vitamins and minerals. And so it's really what we eat and how well you're absorbing that. But you have to have protein. One of the most common things I find in senior citizens is not enough protein.

0:12:21 - (Josh Bellew): Absolutely. And in women, I've learned that from Kyle Trip.

0:12:25 - (Keith Bishop): It's very common.

0:12:27 - (Adam Payne): It's because those proteins break down into the essential amino acids that turn into neurotransmitters. Right. So we need that support.

0:12:35 - (Josh Bellew): But, you know, people are going to totally miss the boat if you don't give them some way to determine how many grams of protein they're going to need in a day. And especially, let's address the women issue.

0:12:47 - (Keith Bishop): Right.

0:12:48 - (Josh Bellew): And the elderly.

0:12:49 - (Keith Bishop): Officially, it's supposed to be 50 grams.5 0 grams of protein A day for the average person is average.

0:12:57 - (Josh Bellew): Like maybe 150.

0:12:59 - (Keith Bishop): So I'm looking at Adam, so he's going to require a lot more protein than me. Okay, so now my favorite things. Actually, I'd like to say a palm rule. And so.

0:13:09 - (Adam Payne): Well, my palm is bigger than your palm. Exactly.

0:13:11 - (Keith Bishop): So therefore you need more.

0:13:12 - (Adam Payne): I do.

0:13:13 - (Keith Bishop): Okay. So for one meal, that is basically, if it's going to be animal protein, we need a serving of meat or eggs that's the size and thickness of the palm of our hand. For one meal, we need that three times a day. Okay, that's quite a bit, doesn't have to be meat, but that's actually just adjusting for your body size. So the little tiny 100 pound female and there's definitely a lot of them out there, you know, they may not need that 50 grams a day on average, but somebody that has a lot more muscle, a lot bigger, they're going to need more protein. So some of these larger guys and some women are going to need more than 50 grams a day. But so basically it's kind of like a palm size serving of protein per meal.

0:13:56 - (Josh Bellew): If you don't go, if you don't go too far above your palm rule, three times a day, you know, eggs, fish, chicken, beef, whatever that may be that you're taking protein, even supplementing with a hemp protein or whey protein or protein powder or vegan protein. If you're vegan, vegans out there, remember that you'll absorb about 30% less of a vegan protein. So if it says X number of grams of protein, you're actually going to have to bump the that up to be able to get the protein.

0:14:25 - (Adam Payne): You're talking about absorbable or functional protein.

0:14:27 - (Josh Bellew): Yeah, exactly. But is. So a lot of people are worried about overdosing on things, you know, on supplements, even on protein. And I know there is an upper limit related to protein, but if an individual goes above 50 grams a day, you know, up to 70 grams a day, you're really not doing any major. Right.

0:14:48 - (Keith Bishop): Not unless you have kidney disease.

0:14:50 - (Josh Bellew): Right. Yeah, the kidneys are, the kidneys are.

0:14:52 - (Keith Bishop): The last filtering issue. And so that is a potential issue for that. So now also along that line, so to make sure you get enough protein. So if you're a vegan and you're going to be doing beans or legumes, you know, it's going to be double that that palm oil. So it's more like two palms or a minimum of one cup for one meal is about 15 grams of protein. So protein is going to be probably number one. And the most common thing I find in my client is not enough protein. For somebody that is starting to have some signs with some cognitive issues, they're not thinking right anyway, so they.

0:15:29 - (Josh Bellew): And that wouldn't have been on my list. So I'm so glad that you. Right out of the chute you said protein.

0:15:35 - (Keith Bishop): Protein.

0:15:35 - (Josh Bellew): Awesome. What's number two? Number two, the supplement circle here, come.

0:15:40 - (Keith Bishop): Back to the supplement. Supplement is curcumin.

0:15:44 - (Josh Bellew): Curcumin. That's interesting.

0:15:46 - (Keith Bishop): So Curcumin.

0:15:47 - (Josh Bellew): I promise he's not plugging us.

0:15:49 - (Keith Bishop): No, no.

0:15:51 - (Josh Bellew): He has believed in curcumin since before I met him. After he met us though, he does believe in ourselves.

0:15:56 - (Keith Bishop): Anyway, so you know, Curcumin, you know, so many functions for the brain. We, we don't have time to list that. But a couple basic things is anti inflammatory, you know, which inflammation can actually contribute to depression and anxiety as we mentioned in another episode. You know, and you know, and even progression of some dementia issues. So it's an anti inflammatory but also it seems to help chelate and trap excess copper.

0:16:26 - (Adam Payne): Yeah, and iron.

0:16:28 - (Keith Bishop): And iron and which can be. And heavy metals oxidative, you know, damaging chemicals and helps trap those and help eliminate those.

0:16:36 - (Adam Payne): So I'm glad you brought up curcumin.

0:16:39 - (Josh Bellew): Schooled me on systemic inflammation and even inflammation in the brain, neuroplastic plasticity. Weigh in on this.

0:16:46 - (Adam Payne): You know, I'm so glad you brought up curcumin obviously for a lot of reasons. Our company.

0:16:52 - (Josh Bellew): I didn't realize he was gonna, that was gonna be on his list.

0:16:54 - (Adam Payne): That's amazing. Our flagship, kind of the product that had, that we started with as a company was our curcumin whey protein conjugate. Our LPS technology. Liquid protein scaffolding that binds curcumin to the protein not because we for the protein content but because we use protein as a way to shuttle these bioactive plant compounds into the body.

0:17:22 - (Josh Bellew): And at.

0:17:23 - (Adam Payne): Elevated levels very, very quickly and at levels that just normal formulations haven't been able to achieve. The closest is the Danish technology and the phytosome that's out there, I think they're pretty decent competitors. Regardless, we're, we've done studies, we show. One of our first university studies was looking at gut permeability of the conjugate. And we showed that curcumin bound to the amino acid or the protein goes right through the gut.

0:17:52 - (Adam Payne): But more importantly it also goes through the blood brain barrier. So we were able to show scientifically that not only would the curcumin get into our tissues, but but it would also go into the central nervous system. We kind of figured it did because the first time we tried curcumin we got something called the curcumin buzz. Did you ever have a curcumin buzz like the first time you took Ultracur Pro?

0:18:21 - (Keith Bishop): Not the.

0:18:21 - (Josh Bellew): Remember. Do you ever remember?

0:18:22 - (Adam Payne): So a lot of people report kind of this buzz, this feeling of like wow, the world has changed.

0:18:28 - (Josh Bellew): It's kind of a Bit of a euphoria and just kind of a. I.

0:18:32 - (Adam Payne): Wouldn'T call it euphoricus, but it was a buzz. Right? Okay. We're all different.

0:18:36 - (Josh Bellew): Absolutely.

0:18:37 - (Adam Payne): And what it told me was that not only was the curcumin getting into our bodies, but it was getting into the central nervous system. The only way to feel that thing was it was getting into the central nervous system. And this is important because for brain health. Micro inflammation in the brain has been shown recently to be one of the major contributors to depression, to Alzheimer's disease.

0:19:02 - (Josh Bellew): The bipolar version of depression.

0:19:05 - (Adam Payne): Many of these central nervous system ailments are actually. Inflammation is potentially the core reason, underlying reason why these different diseases are occurring. So getting curcumin into the central nervous system is a big step towards alleviating, ameliorating, balancing. You name it, you choose the adjective or the pronoun you want to or the adverb you want to use to accelerate the curcumin having its effect in the body.

0:19:42 - (Josh Bellew): Okay, Keith, moving around the supplement. Circle protein curcumin. What's next?

0:19:46 - (Keith Bishop): Nac.

0:19:48 - (Adam Payne): Nac, yeah.

0:19:49 - (Keith Bishop): So nac.

0:19:50 - (Josh Bellew): N Acetylcysteine, for those that may be wondering, it's an amino acid, very popular during COVID And yet I know people that it's a staple supplement.

0:20:00 - (Keith Bishop): And so it is an antioxidant.

0:20:03 - (Josh Bellew): You are surprising me. But the antioxidant makes sense.

0:20:06 - (Keith Bishop): It is an antioxidant. And so that antioxidant helps to detox or repair. Okay, repair cells in the body, and.

0:20:14 - (Josh Bellew): It gently elevates the body Zone Master antioxidant. Glutathione. Right, exactly.

0:20:20 - (Keith Bishop): That's part of it, definitely. And so. But also something else, especially in a dementia type issue, is it helps the body to process differently. Glutamate, which is an amino acid that is an irritant damaging chemical.

0:20:36 - (Adam Payne): Interesting.

0:20:37 - (Josh Bellew): Exactly.

0:20:38 - (Keith Bishop): And that glutamate.

0:20:39 - (Josh Bellew): Msg. For msg and excitotoxin.

0:20:41 - (Keith Bishop): Exactly. And so glutamate is a stimulant anxiety chemical. Think of it that way. And. Or even attention deficit, you know, type tendencies may be high in glutamate. And then so it helps to kind of lower that and bring that down. So, you know, those are the first two.

0:21:03 - (Josh Bellew): Okay, so, yeah, protein, curcumin, neck. The nac. Yeah, nac. What else?

0:21:11 - (Keith Bishop): And then, because I've got some things.

0:21:12 - (Josh Bellew): On my list, and I have a feeling you got to get there.

0:21:15 - (Keith Bishop): So we talked about glucose and so berberine.

0:21:20 - (Josh Bellew): Okay, okay. So, so, and what you're saying here is a Supplement that can actually change the way we glycate. So it helps our body, as we're exposing it to sugars, to not have the deleterious effects of the sugar. Is that right?

0:21:35 - (Keith Bishop): Well, yeah. So NAC helps out with some of that, you know, type of thing. But also, so the berberine helps decrease some of the absorption of the carbs, okay. You know, from the gut. And so therefore, taking the berberine before you eat is going to help decrease the glucose. And therefore we're not going to have the spikes and get that glycation effect of the blood vessels, contributing to the end result of atherosclerosis, plaque buildup, narrowing of the blood vessels.

0:22:08 - (Keith Bishop): And then also another benefit on the berberine is that it helps to the kill out bad bacteria, viruses, yeast, and it helps establish a new, more beneficial gut bacteria. And so that's something else that is a newer area about gut health. Actually. Most of our brain chemicals, neurotransmitters, rather, are made in the gut. Okay. And so berberine helps to balance that out some. And definitely there are some, definitely a lot of animal studies and then starting a few human studies about the benefits of berberine for brain function.

0:22:46 - (Josh Bellew): Yeah. I had no expectations, Adam, of this being a plug for Ultra Botanica today. But with Keith's list, you do have to reference the fact, because berberine is such a hot property among all the health food stores out there, the big box stores, the independent, it's a huge, huge seller. But there's another big issue with berberine.

0:23:07 - (Adam Payne): Oh, berberine, it doesn't absorb, so most of it stays. Most unformulated berberine, which is out in the marketplace, it stays in the gut and it causes irritation for a lot.

0:23:20 - (Josh Bellew): Of people, kills off both the good and bad bacteria.

0:23:22 - (Adam Payne): But it's also highly antimicrobial. And some, some practitioners actually utilize berberine specifically for dysbiosis because a lot of people, having listened to their doctors and taken their advice on gerd, they've lowered their acidity in their stomachs and allowing for the colonization of bacteria into their smaller tissues.

0:23:49 - (Josh Bellew): Taking the wrong drugs, which completely changed the gut microbiome, set them up for failure.

0:23:54 - (Adam Payne): Right. So a lot of practitioners like non absorbing berberine, but the body for brain health, for overall systemic health, we want glucose metabolism to be optimal. A lot of us are dealing with insulin resistance. Right. And Alzheimer's is called in many circles, type 3 diabetes because they believe that some of the pathophysiology of what's going on with Alzheimer's is that the brain itself is Becoming insulin resistant. And so it's creating inflammation and issues because it's not able to utilize glucose that's there, and then that glucose is causing damage in the tissues.

0:24:36 - (Josh Bellew): Adam, quickly, would you.

0:24:38 - (Adam Payne): So this is where berberine has its beautiful effect, is that it can contribute to the solution of insulin resistance. Berberine that's absorbed by the cell actually causes, ameliorates the effect of insulin resistance, allowing the cells to utilize insulin where they've been resistant to it, thus getting the glucose out of the environment through the cell, energetically allowing it to actually process what's there and bringing and creating a much more healthy environment for the cell and for the tissues.

0:25:13 - (Josh Bellew): Yeah, Keith, I like to say about berberine that especially for those that are struggling to make those dietary changes, I view berberine as a really interesting little jump start for an individual that may be pre diabetic or diabetic, and they really are struggling with their sugar numbers and they're trying to cut back on sugars and things. I look at it as a beautiful kind of intervention. I don't want it to substitute for them changing their diet, of course, but I think it's a really, really cool thing, especially, Adam, if you can get it into the body like we do with our LPS technology.

0:25:48 - (Adam Payne): And we've seen effects with our berberine in as little as two hours. People that take a meal, that have metabolic syndrome, their glucose levels taking our product are lower than their fasting levels, which shows us that not only is our berberine getting into the body, but it's having an incredible effect systemically, allowing all of the tissues to finally utilize that excess glucose that's out there and metabolize it correctly.

0:26:18 - (Josh Bellew): Something we learned from that open label study. Because I know a lot of people are thinking about berberine. Oh, my gosh, I'm already low blood sugar. Is it going to put me in the basement and tank me? We learned that it didn't with ours anyway, and that was really cool. Okay, Keith, so we're talking curcumin, we're talking berberine. You've mentioned protein, you mentioned nac. Surely there's more.

0:26:42 - (Josh Bellew): Sure, let's talk about it.

0:26:44 - (Keith Bishop): One of my favorite things, and it's taking some time for doctors to start accepting it and still having some pushback, but it's actually nitric oxide supplements. Okay.

0:26:57 - (Adam Payne): Yeah.

0:26:57 - (Keith Bishop): So nitric oxide is a chemical our body makes from nitrates. Plant nitrates, ideally. And nitrates, plant nitrates are converted into nitric oxide. And nitric oxide opens up blood vessels everywhere.

0:27:12 - (Josh Bellew): And I promise you. He's not talking about laughing gas. That's nitrous. That's what you get at the nitrous. This is different.

0:27:19 - (Keith Bishop): Nitric oxide. And the only pushback, matter of fact, I've been using that type of product for years and seen success with dementias and Alzheimer's.

0:27:30 - (Adam Payne): Interesting.

0:27:32 - (Keith Bishop): But we have to make sure that we have the antioxidants, we have to have the curcumin and. And the NAC on board. Because excess nitric oxide, kind of like oxygen. Oxygen is oxidative. Nitric oxide can be oxidative, too, and may.

0:27:50 - (Josh Bellew): So there's a balance there. And you use strips. We use strips to test that. Really simple. Not expensive.

0:27:56 - (Keith Bishop): Exactly.

0:27:56 - (Josh Bellew): You can get those. You can check and see where your levels are, that you're not doing too much. Yeah. And you know, interestingly, with a lot of things, things, athletes, people that are into bodybuilding are the ones that really kind of spearheaded this nitric right side revolution over the last 15 or 20 years. And it's profound. So this is Ultra Life today. You're listening to Keith Bishop. You can touch base with keith@flourishrx.com that's f l o u r I s h r x.com

0:28:24 - (Josh Bellew): or prevailover cancer.com just like, spelled just like it sound. It's Ultralife today.

0:28:31 - (Keith Bishop): Sam.