The Science of Light: Mitochondria, Biophotons & Healing with the Sun

Could the lack of sunlight be the root cause of modern health issues? Are you missing out on natural health benefits by avoiding the sun?

In this mind-expanding episode of Ultra Life Today, Josh Bellieu is joined by Logan Duvall to explore one of the most overlooked factors in health: light. From cancer recovery to mitochondrial health, Logan reveals how our bodies not only receive light but also produce it internally through biophotons.

Discover how sunlight, screens, and artificial light impact your biology on a quantum level, and why getting a tan on your back might be more healing than you think. You’ll learn about Fritz Popp's groundbreaking research, Jack Kruse’s light protocols, and the ancient roots of sunlight-based healing.

🔬 Topics include:

0:03:00 Logan's son's cancer diagnosis & journey into light-based healing
0:06:00 Mitochondria as light producers & the myth of ATP
0:10:25 DNA as a light antenna & what it means for gene expression
0:13:50 Why Vitamin D supplements may be overrated
0:16:00 The body’s internal light and coherence in cancer
0:21:00 Can we measure light inside the body? And how?
0:25:00 The 2-hose analogy: balancing artificial vs. natural light

🎧 If you're curious about light therapy, cancer healing, bioenergetics, or natural wellness, this episode will challenge your thinking and change how you view sunlight forever.

Listen to the full episode here or watch it on YouTube: https://youtu.be/Id8HEG37oSs

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Transcript

0:00:00 - (Logan Duvall): As I kept trying to layer in my understanding and apply, I got to know Jack Cruz. And so now he's a very, very, very polarizing figure. A lot of people have very strong opinions about him one way or the other. But when I asked him, what do I do for my son, he said, well, he's got to stay off of screens and get a tan on his back. And I thought this. What did this guy just tell me? Right? And so anybody that doesn't know who Jack is, Jack is a neurosurgeon. He was an oral surgeon prior to that, and a dentist, M.D.

0:00:31 - (Logan Duvall): unbelievably, you know, educated. And then he's, he's one of the pioneers of kind of that quantum biology field. And so as I was attempting to understand what blue screens and a tan on his back had to do with anything, we just kept diving.

0:00:55 - (Josh Bellieu): Hey, everyone. Welcome to Ultra Life. Today we got a special three part podcast series. It's going to really explore something that's going to blow your mind. Fascinating connection between light, health and healing. We're basing these discussions around groundbreaking work that was done by a gentleman named Fritz Popp and Roland Van Wyck. If you're just joining us, it is going to be three parts. So wherever you come in on this, go back and listen to the previous episodes. They build on each other, provide a much better understanding of the topics we're diving into. Now, today I've got somebody that I kind of consider a brother from a different mother in Arkansas.

0:01:32 - (Josh Bellieu): His name is Logan Duvall. He is going to be our point person for all three of these episodes we're doing. Logan's an entrepreneur and author, host of the popular Sewing Prosperity podcast. You have to look that one up. Runs a regenerative ranching and farming operation. Owns the well loved McGee and Me Market there near Little Rock. Is that right, Logan? Yep.

0:01:53 - (Logan Duvall): Made me gay.

0:01:54 - (Josh Bellieu): Yeah, there you go. And Logan is also the proud father of four children, but one who's a cancer survivor. And since Logan walked through that journey with his son, he's become a very passionate cancer researcher, truth seeker, diving deep into what cancer really is and how to truly heal man. Logan, welcome. And it's, it's so cool to see your face today and be doing this again. It's been a while.

0:02:18 - (Logan Duvall): It's always a pleasure, Josh. Always a pleasure.

0:02:21 - (Josh Bellieu): All right. You know, you were the one that was so excited about six months ago when we got on the phone with Adam and you were just going crazy on this stuff about light and light and light therapy. Which a lot, a lot of people are going to mistake for, you know, red light this, that or the other. But let's start with the basics. You got turned on to these guys, Fritz Popp and Roland Van Wyck. They have a definition for light in the body that's maybe a little bit different than other people.

0:02:51 - (Josh Bellieu): Tell me what you understand about that and how you got plugged into these guys.

0:02:56 - (Logan Duvall): Yeah, so I, after Lander was diagnosed, so this is my oldest, in 2019, diagnosed stage four Wilms. So kidney cancer said metastasized lymph nodes and chest wall. So I just relentlessly was trying to find solutions, right. And understand what was going on and how we strengthen and we get through. And so with that, food was the first thing. I think that's the, the first thing for, for a lot of us. And we look into the different diets, we'll get a lot of opinions. The oncologists are going to tell us that really doesn't matter. Just eat whatever, don't lose weight. Right. Like, and it just never felt right. And so I just kept diving, kept diving. And that led me into getting, getting with a lot of the metabolic cancer advocates, right. So all the, all the people in that world that advocate nutrition and the metabolic approach, and then it finally, basically.

0:03:50 - (Josh Bellieu): The opposite of the genetic approach that we've been handed for decades and decades.

0:03:54 - (Logan Duvall): Right, right. And that, that's where that layering comes in. Right. We've got the somatic cell theory there. We get into the metabolic approach that sea freeze really kind of promoted based off Warburg's work, and then we just keep going. But that to me is not even remotely deep enough. Like we're on the 30th level of a skyscraper and act like we're in the basement and we're not even close.

0:04:14 - (Josh Bellieu): So I love it.

0:04:16 - (Logan Duvall): As I kept trying to layer in my understanding and apply, I got to know Jack Cruz. And so now he's a very, very, very polarizing figure. A lot of people have very strong opinions about him one way or the other. But when I asked him, what do I do for my son, he said, well, he's got to stay off of screens and get a tan on his back. And I thought, this what this guy just tell me, right? And so anybody that doesn't know who Jack is, Jack is a neurosurgeon. He was an oral surgeon prior to that and a dentist, M.D.

0:04:47 - (Logan Duvall): unbelievably, you know, educated. And then he's, he's one of the pioneers of, of kind of that quantum biology field. And so as I was attempting to understand what blue screens and a tan on his back had to do with anything, we just kept diving, kept diving and start seeing what we've been lied to about the sun. Right? The sun doesn't cause cancer. What the sun actually does is provides a full spectrum the way God designed. And then the. The cascading from that. Right. And what melanin does, which is what the pigment is, that gives us that tan. And that tan on his back, what he was referring to the kidney area. Right.

0:05:22 - (Logan Duvall): So when. When you understand that melanin is this mitigator of this electromagnetic being that we are, it starts making a lot of sense. Okay? So we've got this external light, we've got this internal light that's going to take us into the Fritz pop that Roland Benwick and even Maywin Ho's work to where we actually produce light inside.

0:05:45 - (Josh Bellieu): And so gotta love this.

0:05:47 - (Logan Duvall): These are all the different layers, Josh, that we just keep. Keep coming in. And we realize that metabolism is actually dictated by light. And all of the. The botanical compounds are interfering or interacting with this endogenously produced light. And so set me up for whatever questions you've got based on that. But the. The overarching thing is that light is playing the largest role in biology. Not even a close second.

0:06:13 - (Josh Bellieu): You know, I love where you're going here. I remember back in the day, I was a salon owner. I ran a big, big salon and also had tanning beds in there. And I remember getting some information, I think it was from the German manufacturer that said something that blew my mind. They said there's like 13,000 biological processes that all tie in and are triggered by exposure to full spectrum light. And so I don't know, I was like, what, you could study that for the rest of your life? You clued me in on a word that you don't hear often, and probably a lot of people won't know what that is, but biophotons.

0:06:52 - (Josh Bellieu): So what role do biophotons play in our human physiology? I think you were saying that in a nice layman's way a minute ago. Feel free to kind of expand on that idea.

0:07:04 - (Logan Duvall): Yeah, so the biophotons are very small amounts of light that literally have to do with everything. Okay, so what is. Was really important to go about this and kind of what makes it a little challenging, Josh, is to try to condense all of this into like a tweet, right? Like, it's. It's impossible. They're so complex, but we need to probably start with the mitochondria. So like, when you look at, say, Doug Wallace, who is probably like the, the father of this mitochondrial approach, he's at Children's Hospital Philadelphia. He's, I would recommend reading Absolute that he's ever put out. But then you have another couple layers with Michael Levin, Martin Picard, and Nick Lane. So Nick Lane wrote the book Power, Sex and Suicide.

0:07:49 - (Logan Duvall): Unbelievable book when you are looking at the mitochondria. So what we are taught about the mitochondria is that it is the powerhouse of the cell. It produces ATP. ATP runs everything. Well, that's, that's extremely myopic and inaccurate. So ATP doesn't actually produce all the energy of cell. It does a lot of different things. And then, you know, Gilbert Ling has proven that without a shadow of a doubt, the ATP is not the sole producer of energy.

0:08:14 - (Logan Duvall): This is why we need to look at what else does the mitochondria do. Mitochondria actually produces water, right? Mitochondria produces CO2. Mitochondria produces melatonin. Mitochondria produce the base levels of heme proteins. Okay? So like, the mitochondria is doing a lot of different things. The mitochondria also produces light. So this is where it gets really interesting when we're talking about this biophoton concept, is that the mitochondria is receiving light and it's emitting light, okay? And so every, every one of the complex has an emission and absorption spectrum. So the emission is what it releases, the absorption is what it receives. And so as we're looking at that, Complex 1 is UV range. And then we can start going into Complex 4, which is, or cytochrome C, which is going to be infra red. And so the other aspect of this, without getting too technical, where ATP is produced is a tiny quantum machine. This is spinning. It's a rotating head that spins off ATP, it takes a dp, turns it into ATP, along with the electron transport chain.

0:09:21 - (Logan Duvall): Now, when it is exposed to red light, it runs at a hundred % efficiency. Okay, 100% efficiency. This is a magical little quantum motor that, that we have in all the mitochondria. When you think about the trillions of mitochondria we have. Fascinating, right? So if light is affecting every one of these components of the mitochondria in the production of what, what they do, it would stand to reason that's extremely important aspect of what's going on. Right?

0:09:52 - (Logan Duvall): And so what is also very, very interesting is diabetics don't produce a superoxide pulse in complex one. Now, what that means is that there is a rhythm to what's going. This pulse means that it goes. It's not a linear constant movement. It's this pulsing. All right, now let me. Let me tie in a little more of this biophoton things. Your DNA is a double helix structure. It is a light antenna. That means it receives light and actually stores it in the hs. So in the crossing is where this. This energy is stored.

0:10:25 - (Logan Duvall): Now, DNA is inside of the nucleus. This combined with histones and chromatin, it forms this light emitting and receiving structure. So we receive this light from the mitochondria. There's actually about seven other places in the cell that actually produce light, but it is creating a cycle. So this is where we're going to go back to Fritz Pop a little bit to where he has laid out in studies where cancer cells do not admit as much light. They do not produce a coherent light structure, and they do not produce light very long. That very long is what we refer to as delayed luminescence.

0:11:04 - (Logan Duvall): So when we think of a symphony, think of Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, think of some sort of beautiful music that has a lot of different sections producing on time, a certain frequency inside of an auditorium or a venue that receives this sound. Right? There's a whole orchestra going on. When that orchestra is off, this is essentially what cancer is. Okay, so that's why when I say that we go from somatic cell theory to metabolic, that we're not even close. Like, we need to understand this concept.

0:11:38 - (Josh Bellieu): You mentioned a couple of things there that I want to go back to. You started with saying there is a external light source and then there's an actual internal light source being made by the body. Then you mentioned red light. And I know a ton of people's antennas are going to go up the moment they hear red light, because it's a hot thing right now. It's being talked about. I've had my own unique experience in terms of healing of old injury with red light in a very short period of time, which now it kind of makes sense to me why that happened with what you just explained and how it just begins to allow everything to just continue in the appropriate rhythm. What's our understanding of the way external light sources, and that would be everything from the sun to light therapy actually affect this internal light. And it's almost like you've intimated that they have a way to measure this.

0:12:32 - (Josh Bellieu): I'm fascinated.

0:12:33 - (Logan Duvall): Yeah, they do. And I think this is why it's so important to attempt to at least look at what Van Wicks put out. And then May Wayne Ho her book Rainbow and the Worms. Absolutely incredible. It lays out these light emissions and all the different spectrums. The first thing I want to make sure that we don't get any sort of a misunderstanding is there is no substitute for the sun. 100%. It is a completely different aspect.

0:12:58 - (Logan Duvall): Everything about a technology, an artificial source is different and there's a lot of things that go into that. And so when you mentioned the tanning bed earlier, they're absolutely very important benefits of UVA and uvb. But what is different about still no substitute, is it? Yeah, there's no substitute. So what we don't ever have in a tanning bed is that full spectrum of what the sun offers. So even in the middle of the day at solar noon when the UVB index is highest, it's still only a fraction, a very small fraction of what that full solar spectrum in. And it's majority in the infrared range. Right. So we're always receiving this infrared boost when we are getting our UVA and UVB doses. Okay. And so now we're taught a whole lot about vitamin D. Vitamin D, Vitamin D. I am actually very much against the supplementation of vitamin D. We can go into that later.

0:13:50 - (Josh Bellieu): But when that's okay. I love that you're, I love that you're myth busting today. Keep going.

0:13:56 - (Logan Duvall): Yeah, well there, there's a lot. And this is where we have to question our own beliefs and our own dogma and not just parrot what we think somebody's smart saying and be able to, to understand what's actually going there. So this, this very narrow band of purple light, this is UVB is going to be what produces. It starts this process of vitamin D synthesis. And so when we don't have that, we don't have appropriate. And so when you take a manufactured form and end result because you, you have a. It's like 25 different metabolites of vitamin D synthesis. It's not just 25 dehydroxy. Right. Like it goes all of it and has to be converted through liver, kidneys. There's a lot of other processes that are going on in there.

0:14:39 - (Logan Duvall): So we don't have that because we have believed the dermatologists and optometrists that the sun is causing cancer and making us blind. Right. And so we don't have that production. We don't have this melanin production. This is also what primes the body and creates melanin. That tan that Dr. Cruz told me that I needed to get for my son, you've got to be exposed into that. Now, when, when we're having the technologies that are seeing this input. That's because we are all, all of us, blue light, toxic. Okay. Because there's, There's a flip side. There's two sides. This coin and light deficient within that full spectrum of infrared, UVA and uvb. So we're, we're dealing with both of those. And so when the, the myopic approach of let's use a red light therapy to overcome these things, it's just missing the.

0:15:24 - (Logan Duvall): About everything, honestly. But there's definitely validity to it. But it's better just getting the sun right. And it's right.

0:15:31 - (Josh Bellieu): Yep. So what am I taking too far of a step to say that the lack or the disruption of natural sunlight in a person's life could very much be traced absolutely to their daily journey of health and what they may even experience in life related to, you know, autoimmune disorders, cancer, different. Different diseases. You are, you, you're, you're absolutely saying there's a major correl.

0:16:02 - (Logan Duvall): I'm saying that is the cause of every single one of them, is what I'm saying.

0:16:06 - (Josh Bellieu): Wow. Wow. Okay. So you've studied so much stuff, and I love the fact that you give us references for different books and stuff, because I want our audience. We've got some pretty smart people viewing this, and they're going to be looking things up and looking up the books you talked about and reading about those things. Does most of this knowledge. I'm curious, does this idea of sunlight as a healer, does it literally date back long before we had anything related to what we would call medicine and scientific understanding? In other words, you've got Ayurveda, you've got all these different healing schools and healing modalities coming. Traditional Chinese medicine, is sunlight a component of all of those, as part of the backbone of what, what people should.

0:16:49 - (Logan Duvall): Be doing, every single one of them.

0:16:51 - (Josh Bellieu): Wow.

0:16:52 - (Logan Duvall): It is what dictates all life, every bit of it. If the sun goes out, what happens? All life ceases.

0:16:59 - (Josh Bellieu): All right. Right. Yeah. They're looking at dark spots in the sea right now, and which is very, very dangerous. This is kind of a news item I picked up on yesterday. And the only thing that they're looking at is the geoengineering as being something that's actually blocking light and affecting the fight. The phytoplankton and sea life that is now moving into a more crowded setting because of that. Wow. If that doesn't say it all, you know, light literally is what causes the entire sea and all the life in it to be sustained. And without that, boom.

0:17:37 - (Logan Duvall): You know, and we can take it back on that grade, right? We can take it back to third grade when we learn about photosynthesis. If we know that photosynthesis uses light to charge, separate water and gases, right? Carbon dioxide into glucose to fuel plant life. Like we know that. And so to think that there's some sort of a disconnect between other aspects of biology is. Is just crazy to me.

0:18:02 - (Josh Bellieu): So what's it mean for light in the body to be coherent, you know, and why is that important for health? What would be? And I know this is probably coming from Fritz Pops stuff here with that type of terminology, but what is coherent light? And I guess the flip side of that is. And then what is dangerous light? You referenced screens with your son and getting a suntan and his cancer journey. Let's talk a little bit about this idea of coherent light and then other sources that are actually doing the opposite of what we want.

0:18:34 - (Logan Duvall): So light is the expressor of genes. So remember what I said earlier on the DNA is a light antenna, right? And we are expressing our genes through light. Okay, so let's take one for example, that I'm hoping that we have a lot of physicians that, that are diving into this and we're going to be able to discuss P53. Right. This is our tumor suppression gene. When that is turned off, what happens? Well, we have a proliferation of cancer. And so what I believe is going on. And just so, for example, I think SV40 is one of the most catastrophe ridden things that we have ever experienced and it is the basis for a lot of our cancer that we have right now.

0:19:14 - (Logan Duvall): So with that, it appears that what SV40 does is it darkens within this DNA. And so by darkening, that means it's unable to be expressed. Right. What going back to what I said about the light emissions, if we do not have the light in here for the expression in the chromatin to delay these genes, we don't have it. So this is where things that come and lighten that up potentially Ivermectin appears to be one.

0:19:41 - (Logan Duvall): This is where we've got to also look at the addition and absorption spectrums of the molecules that we're using. You know, a lot of botanicals have, have the similar effect. And it's based on trying to or attempting to lighten that one aspect of this orchestra. That's why it's like, let's have the best percussion ever. But then we don't do anything with woodwinds and our conductors off rhythm. It still doesn't work. That's only one piece. And this is why no modality singularly focused ever works.

0:20:08 - (Logan Duvall): It is the orchestra and symphony analogy are the only way that I know to try to express all of the things that are going on intercellularly, to try to explain all of the different things that are happening. Because there's so much in its timing and its frequency, its light. There's so many different things going on that dictate even the biochemistry. So one more thing, Josh, on that, and I'll get into a little more of the coherent state.

0:20:40 - (Logan Duvall): We have a disconnect in all of our medicine because we have a lack of understanding biophysics, okay? So we think biochemistry is a foundational, a fundamental science, and it's not. Biology and chemistry are built on top of physics, okay? So when we don't have appropriate physics, we can't understand that biology or chemistry that's going on, okay? And so now that's probably going to be super offensive to a lot of people, especially the biochemists, the PhD biochemists that I get into it all the time with.

0:21:13 - (Logan Duvall): But you have to understand what light did to that biochemistry.

0:21:20 - (Josh Bellieu): So, you know, this first episode here, we're entitling the role of light as it relates to physical health. I'm curious, you mentioned you can measure this light, that is an internal light. Are you actually familiar with some of the technologies that they use? Do you know any of those? What are they used to. To measure that?

0:21:40 - (Logan Duvall): You can do it in a few different ways, right? So you do spectrometers. There are bio or photon multipliers. There's a lot of technology now. It's still very expensive, right. And it's typically in just universities or research institutes. But yeah, like it's. It's all there and it's not even new, Josh. It's not even.

0:21:58 - (Josh Bellieu): And, well, right. And are there any people. And I'm going to give it away here and say in our camp, meaning those that want to look at the body as a whole thing and want to discover root causes, which obviously the lack of light, the lack of exposure to the sun is wreaking havoc on all of us. But when are there any people that are working with these devices to measure light and then making a correlation? Like for instance, I'm thinking certain botanicals.

0:22:29 - (Josh Bellieu): You've already addressed this just minutely. Certain botanicals have a Profound effect on the body's ability to utilize this internal light. Right. Am I saying that? Okay. And if that's the case, is anybody out there using these devices to measure that light and measure the effects of certain types of botanicals and other things on that internal light and seeing how it really affects that, you know, because I'm. I'm hoping they're using these devices to help us understand and key in on not only the need for natural light, but natural sunlight, but specific bioactive plant compounds that could be used to really help facilitate people's journey with cancer, autoimmune disorders and things like that.

0:23:12 - (Josh Bellieu): I know I said a lot there.

0:23:13 - (Logan Duvall): Yeah, no, but that, that's the disconnect, Josh. That, that's the disconnect between trying to think that biochemistry is fundamental and we're looking at plant compounds through that lens versus taking an, essentially an amo finic physics perspective. So atomic, molecular organization or optical physics, that's going on. So very, very few people have gotten outside of these siloed fields in order to piece things together. And I think that's where the pioneering work is going to come in. There are quite a bit of photobiomodulation therapies, like Dr. Weber out of Germany is doing some pretty interesting stuff. But it's still missing everything that we just had, right?

0:23:52 - (Logan Duvall): It's still missing everything that we just talked about in the correlation. We know that green light is having an effect on cancer. We know laser light in the density is having an effect. But we know that utilizing methylene blue with those therapies has an effect. But as far as what I'm talking about on the biophoton level, very few are looking at it, and it's. It's crazy. And the reason that we have to amplify pops work, Fenwick's work, Maywin Ho's work.

0:24:21 - (Josh Bellieu): So if we, as we wrap up this first episode, I think I know the answer to this. But is the number one thing the practical way that someone can begin to actually support the light within their own body that is responsible for this amazing orchestra that you've described? Is the number one thing getting in the sun? And if so, what does Logan say about getting in the sun? How should someone do that? What's the practical thing they can do to say, yep, this is how I'm going to get everything elevated within that internal light by this beautiful thing called the sun that God gave us?

0:25:00 - (Josh Bellieu): What are your thoughts on the practicality of that?

0:25:03 - (Logan Duvall): Without a question. The number one thing we can do for health is get in the sun. Now that's a pretty deep conversation. There's things such as like building a solar callus that are very important. But before we move on to the next segment, I want you to think about life light as two water hoses put together. Two water hoses put together and you turn on each of these two water hoses equally, nothing happens, right? It stops.

0:25:27 - (Logan Duvall): So now one water hose is going to be our artificial light. One water hose is going to be our sunlight. So when one of them is turned up higher, it forces the other direction. Right. So when we have way too much of these lighting, say inside of a studio in our bedroom, when we go to the refrigerator, what do we get blasted with? Right? We go to the bathroom. What we get vanity lights. The LEDs are absolutely killing us. Fluorescent isn't any better, really.

0:25:52 - (Logan Duvall): And we are throwing off this pressure of the two hoses coming together when we do that. So we have to crank back the one that's negative and crank up the one that's positive in order to attempt to balance these things out. Of course, there's more to it. There's a lot of other factors within this, but getting in the sun and reducing the negative exposure, because all that is is when we talk about 5G, we talk about all these different things.

0:26:19 - (Logan Duvall): Blue light from artificial lights across your home, your office, school, work, whatever, are non native EMFs. That's exactly what they are. So we know that the WI fi router is going to cause problems, but we act like the LED light is not going to.

0:26:36 - (Josh Bellieu): Okay, interesting. Okay, you've been listening to Logan Duvall. Reason I love this guy. I'm sure you do as well because he comes in and he busts myths and he looks at from a different perspective. Can anybody say follow the science? Well, guess what? We actually do that here on Ultra Life today because we love differing points of view that give us an opportunity to be able to think for ourselves, be critical in our thinking, dig in deep, read up and figure out what's going on. Hey, it sounds like everybody needs to get themselves some natural sunlight. You know, we're going to be covering in another episode with Logan this cancer perspective a little deeper into this electromagnetic orchestra that he described. And if you want to read, reach out to Logan. It is super simple.

0:27:20 - (Josh Bellieu): Sewing prosperity.com this guy has some astonishing podcasts out there as well that you can find everywhere. Interviews. Some really, really interesting people that he agrees with, some of them and others he challenges. And I appreciate that. Logan will see you on the next episode. And ultra life today. If you like what we're doing, like, subscribe and share.

0:27:47 - (Logan Duvall): Sam.