Beat Insulin Resistance? Stem Cells for Autoimmune Disease? A Doctor Explains

What if paralysis, autoimmune disease, and even chronic joint pain could be treated in a new way? 

In this episode of Ultra Life Today, Dr. Douglas Rowles shares remarkable results from IV stem cell therapy, including stories of patients with Lyme-related paralysis learning to walk again, autoimmune conditions improving, and why this therapy is only legal in Utah right now.

We also dive into the role of collagen and turmeric, insulin resistance, intermittent fasting, and why lifestyle shifts are key to long-term healing.

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Transcript

0:00:00 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): I literally seen some borderline miraculous stuff. I mean, you know, in the process of watching someone who had been paralyzed for four years as a complication of a Lyme disease tick bite, who is now working with physical therapy, learning to walk again, you know, wow. Different miraculous type of cancer results. It seems to really benefit the autoimmune diseases. So people are diseases such as lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, and the genetic diseases. I mean, I think that we're probably looking at IV stem cell therapy to be quickly incorporated into the whole country.

0:00:49 - (Adam Payne): Hey, everybody, this is Adam Payne. We're here at Ultra Life Today, continuing our discussion with Dr. Douglas Rols, the owner and of Revive stem cell and IV therapy here in Oklahoma City. You can find him@revivestemcell.com Boy, we've had an interesting discussion up to this point, talking about his career in the navy as an orthopedic surgeon and doctor coming to his own health, not crisis, but situation where a tendon in his.

0:01:25 - (Adam Payne): In his arm was starting to unravel, was scheduled for surgery to get it all repaired. And it happened right on the cusp of COVID hitting our country and all elective surgeries being canceled. He tried something his wife was recommending, collagen and turmeric, which is the which. Turmeric is a root from the plant curcuma longa. And in the turmeric root, there is a compound or compounds called curcumin or curcuminoids.

0:02:01 - (Adam Payne): And we know a lot about curcumin here at Ultra Botanica. But this very simple yet effective approach in doing dosing oneself with collagen and turmeric was having amazing impact on himself and almost 95% of the patients that he challenged to try this approach. So then we talked a little bit last week about stem cell therapy, kind of the secret weapon in helping our bodies to heal. Welcome back, Dr. Rols. How are you doing today?

0:02:37 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Very well. How are you?

0:02:39 - (Adam Payne): We're doing good. I think we're surviving through the month of August here in Oklahoma. Are you from Oklahoma originally?

0:02:48 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): I'm not. I'm from Rhode Island.

0:02:52 - (Adam Payne): I'm from the Boston area. So if you get me back in my home turf, I'll be talking like this. How did you get to Oklahoma City?

0:03:02 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): I married a woman from Oklahoma.

0:03:03 - (Adam Payne): Oh, there you go.

0:03:05 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Get out of the Navy. I don't care where I live anymore.

0:03:07 - (Adam Payne): You know, that's true. You've already seen the world. And I guess you had enough of the sea, too, because it's quite a drive to get to the sea from here.

0:03:15 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): You know, I made a big mistake. I joined the Navy specifically because the medical school I went to, they literally on a phone call said, hey, you want Air Force, army or Navy? Like literally a phone call.

0:03:25 - (Adam Payne): Really?

0:03:26 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Yeah. Well, I wanted Navy because I love the water. Well, you know what I learned?

0:03:30 - (Adam Payne): What?

0:03:31 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): The Navy takes care of Marines. You know where the Marines are? They're in the desert. I spent a couple life long vacations in the desert. Really? Really.

0:03:42 - (Adam Payne): Are they really vacations or were they assignments? Right.

0:03:46 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Deployment type vacation?

0:03:47 - (Adam Payne): Yeah, there have been a couple of those of recent history, haven't there?

0:03:55 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Oh, yeah.

0:03:56 - (Adam Payne): So we're coming back to kind of a paradigm that I like to talk about, which is we have to stop looking at our bodies like some sort of contraption that we don't understand what's going on. And we get baffled by different diseases and conditions that, that smite us as we age and go on in years. In reality, I like to look at the human body as essentially a community of 13 or so trillion cells that are trying to live, that need to live together in harmony in order to provide everything we need in order to flourish, to live, to breathe, to connect with people around us, to have those relationships to make meaning out of our own lives.

0:04:57 - (Adam Payne): It's endlessly surprising to me when we get into the meat and bones of different protocols, like what you did with turmeric and collagen, is that why should we be surprised that something so elegant and simple can have such a dramatic effect on our wellness? I mean, literally what we're doing, or what you were doing was saying we want to repair a tendon. I guess we need to provide the body with the building blocks for a tendon.

0:05:34 - (Adam Payne): Right? Those peptides and amino acids that specifically are necessary in order to make tendon material. It turns out our bodies don't carry a lot of excess building material. We have. I was talking to Dr. Rawls before we started over an hour ago on our first interview that the level of amino acids in an adult is 10 to 20 times lower than what a baby has or a fetus has. So think about it as a baby's growing, it needs all of these building blocks in order to make new cells, in order to make the stuff that make up the human body.

0:06:20 - (Adam Payne): Why is it surprising to us that if we really want to heal, we need to provide our bodies with the stuff it needs in order to heal? Curcumin plays a role because when our body's in attack mode, guess what? It doesn't. You Know, you don't see civil engineers on the battlefield when the tanks and guns are blazing. The civil engineers are back at home waiting for the war to get over so they can bring in the tractors and the cranes and the dump trucks in order to rebuild the damage that was caused from the war.

0:07:00 - (Adam Payne): So it's an elegant solution. I really resonate with everything that you've talked about, Doc. It's amazing to hear this story encapsulated and beautifully illustrated through the results that you've gotten. Those 29 out of 31 patients that just did the simple collagen plus turmeric challenge, 29 out of 31 of them said, you know what? I don't need surgery anymore. Now you turbocharged that with stem cell therapy, taking it one step further by saying, hey, yep, not only are we going to give your body the building blocks, but we're going to inject into the tissues all of those civil engineers that are responsible for, directly responsible for rebuilding and restoring healthy tissue in the human body.

0:08:03 - (Adam Payne): But now we're dealing with, as a culture a couple of new phenomenon. It's actually not new. It's a result, I believe, of the war crimes cartel that told us that a low fat diet was what we needed for wellness here in the United States. I think those people that recommended low fat diets are responsible for more deaths than the Nazis were responsible for during World War II.

0:08:34 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Well, I'm not going to disagree with you. You can put cholesterol into that category too. The war against cholesterol, which is ridiculous. Hugely important for us.

0:08:43 - (Adam Payne): We need cholesterol.

0:08:44 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Absolutely.

0:08:45 - (Adam Payne): Guess what? Cholesterol is what all of our cell membranes are made out of, plus our.

0:08:49 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Nerves, our hormones and our brain.

0:08:51 - (Adam Payne): Yeah. What people don't realize is that excess carbohydrates that we take into our body, guess what? Our body turns them into fats. Fats are the result of stored energy that our body is tucking away for that time in the future when maybe you're starving. And guess what? Here in our American glutinous, gluttonous society, most of us never get into a fasting state. But now we're dealing with insulin resistance as a society and diabetes emerging all over the place.

0:09:39 - (Adam Payne): I think you mentioned in the last episode that America has reached a magical threshold. Over 50% of our population is technically obese.

0:09:52 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Correct.

0:09:56 - (Adam Payne): Do you even see, Doc, any patients that don't have insulin resistance these days?

0:10:03 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Well, I mean, I guess in the military, I think I might have. I mean, it's a challenge to find them. I will tell you that.

0:10:16 - (Adam Payne): So can you maybe illustrate for us it's hard enough to heal, especially as we age? I mean, think about it, we don't have the building blocks. Why does insulin resistance add so much complexity to this healing process?

0:10:33 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Well, I mean, it's just, it delays the, I mean literally molecular, molecularly it impedes the healing process. You know, anything that will improve our insulin sensitivity is going to dramatically improve our entire health as well as our ability to heal injuries, chronic disease.

0:10:56 - (Adam Payne): You know, we talk about insulin resistance, but maybe there's a way to explain it so people understand really what's going on with insulin resistance.

0:11:07 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Well, you know, again, not my specialty, but just from a thousand yard view and describe it to people. Our body works on feedback loops and if you're taking in too much simple carbohydrates, otherwise known as sugar, you know, at some point in time your pancreas is going to start getting out of whack and, and you are trying to keep up with insulin production to try and combat all these extra carbohydrates and sugars floating around your body.

0:11:40 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): And it gets to the point where it just won't keep up, you know. Now welcome to man made. Good old made in the USA. Type 2 diabetes.

0:11:50 - (Adam Payne): You know, it's essentially if people are getting resistant to insulin, what that means is the pancreas is telling the body, hey, you guys need to store more sugar because we got a lot of sugar here, we need to turn it into fat. And the cells in our body are saying, I don't think so. We don't need more fat, we need something different. So the cells stop absorbing glucose through their membranes and pulling it into ATP production through that the Krebs cycle, which most of us have forgotten about since our high school days.

0:12:39 - (Adam Payne): And then we find ourselves in a situation where not only are we insulin, our bodies are resistant to an insulin signal coming from the pancreas, but the downstream effects of insulin resistance, more obesity, slower healing and a sluggish metabolism, it really crowds up on people. Is there a solution to this? I mean, we got, I guess the magical injectable right now, these GLP1 drugs that can help people.

0:13:17 - (Adam Payne): What's your approach? I mean, somebody's coming in with one of these orthopedic problems and lo and behold, they're either pre diabetic or diabetic. Do you have to deal with that aspect of their wellness in order to get them well, or can you ignore the insulin resistance question?

0:13:41 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Well, if, if you ignore it, then your results are not going to be anywhere near as good as they could be. So to maximize the results of your treatment, you have to look at people holistically. And that's not something that we're necessarily taught throughout our medical training, especially within orthopedics. Your whole body is just a mechanism to make your bones move. So that's what we focus on. But I mean, as part of that quote unquote challenge we've been talking about, I started adding in simple things early on. It was with the mindset of trying to help them lose weight because that's going to take pressure off their painful joints and it's going to make everything easier.

0:14:23 - (Adam Payne): But a lot of people with insulin resistance have a huge problem losing weight.

0:14:28 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Absolutely. But just these small number of easy lifestyle changes and activities, certain dietary changes that you can make and make a big difference. And I started witnessing people coming back for one of their follow ups just in passing, telling me, oh, by the way, I don't need insulin anymore. Hey, my blood sugars are back to normal. A couple months into that process, I kind of woke up. What am I doing here?

0:14:56 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Am I finding a cure for diabetes? But these are just common sense things.

0:15:02 - (Adam Payne): You know, diabetes type 2 diagnosis was a terminal disease for people. People didn't rec. Technically you're not supposed to be able to recover from type 2 diabetes.

0:15:15 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): I mean, at this point, I could not disagree with that more. I just, I don't buy that at all. Just based on my own personal eyeballs, what I've seen happen.

0:15:24 - (Adam Payne): So let's doc. Do you mind getting into your recipe for success for people that are dealing with diabetes?

0:15:31 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Absolutely. I think I mentioned in the last podcast I'm a big fan of intermittent fasting.

0:15:37 - (Adam Payne): Yeah. So what's your protocol for intermittent fasting? I've heard a lot of docs saying, choose an 8 hour window when you're going to eat, and then anything outside of that window. Is fasting. Is that the approach you recommend or how do you, how do you slot people into this?

0:15:59 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Yeah, well, first of all, there's not one right answer. I mean, there's lots of different ways to do this nowadays. It's pretty simple because you can find hundreds of different free apps right in the app store on your phone that'll take you through intermittent fasting. I actually did this to myself.

0:16:15 - (Adam Payne): Oh, really?

0:16:16 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): When I left in mid 2019, I kind of left the VA and I was compared to my usual. I was vastly overweight. You know, I was hypertensive, probably was pre diabetic, had the whole collection. My Cholesterol, Wow, that matters. So I wanted to come up with something myself, you know, just to get healthy again, lose the weight. I went on an intermittent fasting program. And I'm not proud of this, I'm not bragging about this, but I purposely did not do anything else.

0:16:48 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Like I did not change how I was eating. I did not really consciously exercise.

0:16:53 - (Adam Payne): Wow.

0:16:54 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): I just did intermittent fasting.

0:16:55 - (Adam Payne): So how. So tell me, understand, what was your intermittent fasting protocol? What did that look like?

0:17:04 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): So that's a great question. I've kind of helped people avoid a trap, right?

0:17:11 - (Adam Payne): Okay. Yeah. Please, pray tell.

0:17:15 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): The same thing over and over. Your metabolism will adjust to that. We see this in the sports world with marathon runners and long distance swimmers, okay. It's not exercise for them because their heart rate never goes up because their body is so well trained to swim or run that it's not exercise.

0:17:33 - (Adam Payne): Right.

0:17:34 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): So you have to keep yourself off balance with intermittent fasting. What I noticed, and I, and I picked this up right away because the app I was using, every week it changed. It was a little different every week. And intuitively, common sense wise, I understood that. I'm like, you have to, to keep shocking your system, otherwise you're just going to acclimate and it won't be any good. And I started seeing that patients when I started recommending intermittent fasting.

0:18:02 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): But I'd get them six weeks later, eight weeks later, they come back and go, you know, I lost some weight the first week or two, but now I'm just stalled out. So I asked them, like, how you doing it? And they said, oh, you know, I just don't, I don't eat breakfast, you know, and I have a late lunch every day. Well, that's not going to help. All that's going to do is going to slow your metabolism down.

0:18:19 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): So the key is to, you got to change it up, you know, I mean, one day it might be a 12 hour fast. You go to six hours. The second day you can do an 18 hour fast, you know, and it's not every day. I mean, it's maybe five days a week, you know, and there's like I said, there's no one right answer. There's plans out there where you can literally do like a 48 hour fast once a month.

0:18:42 - (Adam Payne): Really?

0:18:42 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): And that, that actually I've seen some, some anecdotal evidence anyway that that's like a good maintenance program. Like once a month do a 24 hour fast or every two weeks or something like that. So, you know, there's no one right answer. You tailor this to the. What feels comfortable for the person. What I noticed personally, because, you know, within one year, I lost 65 pounds.

0:19:07 - (Adam Payne): Wow.

0:19:08 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Blood pressure, cholesterol, and everything was normal at that point. And again, that was not doing the other things that I could have added to it that would have made it much better and quicker, you know, but back to the diabetes.

0:19:20 - (Adam Payne): I mean, so you were doing. You were doing all sorts of different things, but you had chosen kind of a methodology that worked for you better than others. I'm just trying to.

0:19:31 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Well, with intermittent fasting, I literally just shut my brain off and ate when the phone told me to eat. I mean, I just followed the app.

0:19:38 - (Adam Payne): Wow.

0:19:39 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): And I wanted to see just what only intermittent fasting would do for me.

0:19:43 - (Adam Payne): Right. And so how long. What was your period of time that you were looking for changes again for us?

0:19:50 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Well, I was on it at one year.

0:19:52 - (Adam Payne): One year.

0:19:52 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): At the one year point, I hit.

0:19:54 - (Adam Payne): My goal loss of 65 pounds.

0:19:58 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Yep.

0:19:58 - (Adam Payne): And what else changed in your body?

0:20:01 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Just, I mean, everything. I slept better, more energy. I was earning, itching to return to exercise.

0:20:08 - (Adam Payne): Wow.

0:20:09 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Better mood, you know, relationships improved. And then everything. Everything gets better.

0:20:15 - (Adam Payne): Yeah. Boy, I'm gonna. This is a big admission time for Adam live on radio. I've been. My functional doctor has been encouraging me and my wife, who's a PA to start doing intermittent fasting. And I've. I got to. I got to admit, I've had kind of a. I. I don't want to do it.

0:20:43 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): I don't.

0:20:44 - (Adam Payne): But what you're saying is, is that they're the. I'm. I'm dealing with an accumulation of. Of my own health issues. And, you know, I turned. I turned 61 this last summer, and I'm. I need it. I need a transformation myself, personally.

0:20:59 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Let me tell you two tips that I tell everybody about. This one's psychological. The other is physical. The physical tip is real simple. 2 weeks, 14 days. It seems to be this magic number in medicine. It takes two weeks to reverse a limp permanently. It takes two weeks to reset your taste buds. For me, I did it myself. I'm off processed foods. I've been off processed foods for several years. And this gets into the second tip.

0:21:32 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): I'll say in a second. But if I were to eat processed food right now, I could literally taste the chemicals because my taste buds are sensitive to that now. So with intermittent fasting, it takes two weeks for you to get used to it, and then you're not hungry anymore. Then it becomes Easy. Like I told you, I was on the app and I did the official program for one year. I'm still doing it. It's permanent.

0:21:59 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Because I'm not hungry anymore. My appetite has been permanently adjusted. So I only eat. Maybe yesterday I only had one meal and I'm not hungry. I don't get hungry. So that's the way to maintain everything.

0:22:13 - (Adam Payne): Because a lot of us are kind of on this autopilot of, oh, it's lunchtime, got to have my lunch, or oh, it's breakfast, better eat my breakfast.

0:22:22 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): You know, what's helpful is to stay busy during the day. So when I was still working at ou, it was easy for me to skip lunch. I just worked through lunch. So it was simple. Things get more challenging when you're at home a lot. So the workaround for that is if you feel like you're hungry in the middle of the day, it's not time to eat yet, then go take a nice long walk. Go do something.

0:22:45 - (Adam Payne): Distract thyself.

0:22:47 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): But the psychology is every bit as important. I'm a big believer in a quote unquote, cheat meal. Once a week, you can have one meal of anything you want.

0:22:59 - (Adam Payne): Wow.

0:23:00 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Now, here's the funny part. Within a month or two, you'll stop doing that because that meal will not taste good anymore because of the taste buds. This is what happened to me. And I've had lots of people come back and after about six or eight months on it, they would kind of say the same stuff like, oh, yeah, it became easy. So I understand. And it's not a fun thing to think about doing, but it's actually quite. It's a lot easier than you might think.

0:23:27 - (Adam Payne): And it sounds to me like the health benefits so far outweigh the nuisance of change.

0:23:38 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Absolutely. And you know, think about this as a population, as a civilization. How long have we had access to nachos, snacks? What was our diet like 120 years ago?

0:23:52 - (Adam Payne): Nowhere even close to what we have today.

0:23:55 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Well, I mean, first of all, the food was probably better for us back then. But that being said, a lot of people didn't know where lunch was going to come from. So, I mean, long story short, we almost, as a, almost all of us are overeating constantly now, far more than we need. So intermittent fasting is a way to get back to our natural status in my mind.

0:24:18 - (Adam Payne): Yeah. And there's, you know, having a good functional doc that can coach you along the way. It's because it's not just the lifestyle changes that we're talking about here, it's also the right supplements that can be, that can help us in achieving biochemical and hormonal health results that are sometimes really difficult without those kinds of interventions. Now we've talked a lot about curcumin, right? Curcumin being one of those great substances that helps to modulate healthy inflammation in the human body.

0:25:03 - (Adam Payne): And we need that, especially when we're dealing with chronic inflammation. We need to slow down that process so that the stem cells or the regenerative healing factors can actually come in and make a difference for insulin resistance. Do you have any supplements that you like using?

0:25:22 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): You know, can I start with the easy stuff first? Sure. So intermittent fasting we've been talking about, we talked about another little magic silver bullet is apple cider vinegar.

0:25:33 - (Adam Payne): Interesting.

0:25:34 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): You can take a like, you know, you can take it many forms.

0:25:37 - (Adam Payne): Nowadays a Brog's natural apple cider vinegar is one of the things you see on the shelf quite a lot.

0:25:44 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Well, you can either drink it, take a shot right before a meal or nowadays you can just take a gummy if you wanted to go that route as well.

0:25:52 - (Adam Payne): So what's the science behind apple cider vinegar?

0:25:56 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Well, it's got a lot of benefits. So it slows gastric emptying, it reduces post meal blood sugar, better blood well potentially improves insulin sensitivity, aids in better glucose management. I forget the other bullet points. Honestly, it's an appetite suppressant too, which makes sense.

0:26:23 - (Adam Payne): Interesting. So kind of like a GLP one. If you're slowing gastric emptying, essentially your the feeling of being full or not needing to eat will last longer. Correct.

0:26:35 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): And then also supplement that with a meal that's relatively high in fiber.

0:26:39 - (Adam Payne): Oh, interesting.

0:26:40 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): That's going to be synergistic with the vinegar. Then there's sunlight. Get out. Again, walk. Walking kills a lot of birds with one stone because if it's a nice beautiful sunny day like it is right now, you get a nice vitamin D.

0:26:53 - (Adam Payne): Vitamin D. So what about berberine in your practice? Do you use it at all?

0:26:59 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): You know, again, I don't necessarily treat diabetes specifically. I learned about berberine a couple years ago, but again my patient population was not the type that could necessarily easily afford a lot of different supplements. I now recognize berberine to be one of the go tos though. So if you're dealing with somebody with severe diabetes, poorly controlled or having issues with the treatment, that's definitely a go to.

0:27:31 - (Adam Payne): Yeah, we here at Ultra Botanica the same thing we've done with curcumin binding it to protein or amino acid like N acetylcysteine. We've done the same thing with berberine. Berberine, it's not a polyphenol, it's an isoquinolone. Different class of molecule, but it also, this protozorb technology works beautifully with berberine. We did a study for people with insulin resistance. We gave people a standardized meal and then we did one day without berberine and then the next day with berberine and looked at their blood sugar over time.

0:28:09 - (Adam Payne): And for the people with insulin resistance, 2 hours postprandial blood glucose was below their fasting levels, showing that they, that berberine actually can help to overcome insulin resistance at a cellular level, supporting all of the different things. With intermittent fasting, lifestyle changes, changes in diet and exercise can really help support the body's recovery from full blown diabetes into something which.

0:28:47 - (Adam Payne): What do we call people that don't have diabetes? What, healthy?

0:28:52 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): I would think so, yeah. Hopefully. You know, another one is cinnamon too. I don't know if you.

0:28:56 - (Adam Payne): Oh, Ceylon cinnamon. Yes.

0:28:59 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Yeah. Just a half a teaspoon a day. Yeah.

0:29:02 - (Adam Payne): If you can, if you can stomach it.

0:29:04 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): It's, that's, you know, you can put, you know, if you ration it out, put a little bit and maybe some coffee.

0:29:11 - (Adam Payne): That's a great idea. That's a great idea. Well, we've, we've, we've talked a lot about so many different aspects of wellness, really getting down to the building blocks of what does what. How can we can help our bodies to recover, regenerate, Especially when we've damaged different tissues. Our knees, our rotator cuff in our, in our, up in our shoulders. What does the future portend for us, doc? Are there things coming around the corner that are going to be as transformative as stem cell therapy?

0:29:51 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Well, I've got two answers for that. One. The first is stem cells. Right now there's only one state in our country that IV intravenous stem cell treatment is legal and that's Utah.

0:30:04 - (Adam Payne): Interesting.

0:30:05 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): I actually have hooked up with a group that goes out there once every couple months and we spend a weekend out there doing these treatments and I have seen borderline miraculous results. And this is so simple to do. This is just obtaining the stem cells.

0:30:21 - (Adam Payne): These are stem cells from their body?

0:30:24 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): No, these are donor, These are umbilical derived stem.

0:30:27 - (Adam Payne): Umbilical stem cells. Yeah.

0:30:28 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): That have been multiplied and in a lab. I don't, trust me, that's not my feel. I don't know how they do that. But what they can do though is super concentrate the stem cells. So that one drop of fluid has a huge amount in it. But what we're talking about with the IV isn't even starting an iv. It's just taking a needle just right into a vein and just injecting IV push right into a vein. I mean, literally takes a minute to do.

0:30:53 - (Adam Payne): Right.

0:30:54 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): I literally seen some borderline miraculous stuff. I mean, when in the process of watching someone who had been paralyzed for four years as a complication of a Lyme disease tick bite, who is now working with physical therapy, learning to walk again, you know, wow. Different miraculous type of cancer results. It seems to really benefit the autoimmune diseases. So people are diseases such as lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, and the genetic diseases. I mean, I think that we're probably looking at IV stem cell therapy to be quickly incorporated into the whole country soon.

0:31:35 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): I'm hoping and praying for that anyway. And when that happens, I plan to be on board with that in my clinic that I'm doing now.

0:31:42 - (Adam Payne): So, yeah, you're kind of. You're set up to do IV interventions at your clinic?

0:31:47 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Absolutely.

0:31:48 - (Adam Payne): But are you just. You're doing prp, but you're not allowed to do IV stem cells to the patients here in Oklahoma?

0:31:56 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Not legal. Only in Utah.

0:31:58 - (Adam Payne): Only in Utah.

0:31:59 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): But the other thing is, I don't know if you follow. I'm kind of geeky like this. I've always been interested in varied technologies. There's over 2,000. No, 20. There's over 20,000 sealed medical patents right now.

0:32:17 - (Adam Payne): Sealed medical what?

0:32:19 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Medical patents.

0:32:21 - (Adam Payne): Okay.

0:32:23 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): We don't know exactly what they're all about, but I'm betting a lot of them are treatments for cancer, you know, so I'm actually very excited about what the future holds for us because the current administration has come out and openly said that the goal is to declassify and open up all of these patents, you know, so we're talking about new forms of energy, new forms of medical treatments, you know, I mean, God knows what. What's been buried for a long time, you know, so I'm very excited about what the future holds. I really am.

0:32:57 - (Adam Payne): This is the first thing I've heard about these, that there are a slew of inventions in the medical space that are yet about to be revealed. Is there a kind of a date when this is supposedly might be happening?

0:33:09 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): The sooner the better is all I know. You know, right now I'm just focused more on the stem cell side because, you know, now that the fact that we have one state doing it, I Mean, it doesn't make sense why the other states would slowly start incorporating it as well.

0:33:25 - (Adam Payne): What's the doc? What's the pushback at the legislature level for this kind of intervention?

0:33:31 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): You know, I'm not sure the cynical side of me would suggest that maybe the medical industry doesn't want cures for things, you know, that'll hit them in the pocket. Right. But it might be multifactorial. I mean, it might be a political issue, it could be a lobbying issue. I don't really understand it. But based on the results we're seeing in Utah, I mean, this is crazy that we're not all doing it everywhere. Really is.

0:33:59 - (Adam Payne): Wow. Well, there you have it. I mean, incredible results with stem cells. The whole doc, you're providing the whole package from regenerating damage in different parts of the body using collagen, the building blocks, and managing inflammation with curcumin, turmeric. You have interventions and approaches for dealing with insulin resistance in the human body. And you're really, you're sitting on the cutting edge of where medicine really needs to go with regenerative medicine, which is with a holistic approach where we're not just dealing with, oh, there's the, you know, you got a torn bumper here in the body. Let's just replace the bumper.

0:34:44 - (Adam Payne): No, we want to help the body to heal and to find wholeness through its own healing, strength and capabilities.

0:34:53 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): And the body wants to heal.

0:34:55 - (Adam Payne): The body wants to heal.

0:34:57 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Absolutely.

0:34:57 - (Adam Payne): Well, just to wrap up our discussion here today, maybe you can leave us with some advice. If somebody here on the show is dealing with diabetes or just diagnosed with diabetes type 2, not type 1, what would you like them to know?

0:35:17 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): That this is not a lifetime condition. This is treatable. Some simple things go a long way. Pull out the willpower to start intermittent fasting. Make it through that first two weeks. Change it up every week. You can do it yourself or you can get an app on the phone or whatever, but you got to change it up. Simple things, you know, low impact exercise at least a couple days a week. You want to do resistance exercise. Another day or two a week, you want to get as much sunlight as you can get.

0:35:50 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): A minimum 20 to 30 minutes a day would be ideal. You want to drink a lot of water, but do not drink the sugary drinks. Stay away from diet sodas, Diet Cokes. You know, the chemicals in there is terrible. Try and limit your processed foods. These are all doable things, and most of them are free. You know, you can pick up some apple cider vinegar, or you can buy some apple cider vinegar gummies and you can pop one of them in once or twice a day before meals.

0:36:18 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): You want to work on getting a good night's sleep, weight control, everything falls in line, you know, once you start doing these things. And again that two week period, you make it through the first two weeks. Now it's your new lifestyle. It's your new normal.

0:36:33 - (Adam Payne): That's great advice, Doc. For those of our listeners that are interested in connecting with Dr. Rawls, you can reach him at the phone number 405-751-1321 on the website revivestemcell.com they're located up near Mercy Hospital, across the way there on West Memorial Road. Doc, we thank you for coming on ultralife today. And it's really been a real pleasure getting to know you and hearing of your life story and getting encouraged by some of the technologies and interventions that you've been able to implement here in Oklahoma.

0:37:13 - (Adam Payne): Thank you.

0:37:14 - (Dr. Douglas Rowles): Thank you very much. This has been fun.

0:37:16 - (Adam Payne): Yeah. Thanks. We'll talk soon. This has been Ultra Life today. Thanks for joining us. I'm Adam Payne saying live your ultra life today.