Deuterium & Your Health: Water, Food, Energy and Longevity Explained

What if one of the missing links in modern health conversations is something almost nobody talks about — deuterium?

In this eye-opening episode of Ultra Life Today, Josh Bellieu sits down with Dr. Petra Davelaar, naturopathic doctor and expert in deutenomics, to explore how excess deuterium may impact mitochondrial function, metabolism, thyroid health, cardiovascular wellness, fatigue, and overall vitality.

They discuss hydration myths, metabolic water, processed foods, glyphosate exposure, fasting, mitochondria, and practical steps to support better health naturally.

Topics include:
 • What deuterium is and why it matters
 • Can drinking too much water backfire?
 • Foods that may burden metabolism
 • Thyroid, hormones & energy production
 • Cardiovascular health and metabolic repair
 • Why many people feel better quickly with simple changes

If you're interested in cutting-edge health conversations, root-cause wellness, and practical lifestyle strategies, this episode is for you.

Listen here or watch the full episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/MwpAj04s6K4

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Transcript

0:00:00 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): I've consulted with several young women who had stopped having menstrual cycles completely and they were drinking four to five quarts of water a day and no estrogen left. So what happens is if the antidiuretic hormone gets suppressed and that gets secreted somewhere of a small region in your brain in the hypothalamus and there's a process called co secretion, so other hormones get released at the same time or stopped.

0:00:29 - (Josh Bellieu): Wow. Yeah, because we don't, yeah, without that, we don't want that to happen. Oh gosh, this is. Wow.

0:00:34 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): So the precursors of your sex steroid hormones also get suppressed and your thyroid hormone, all these things are affected. So drinking massive amounts of water has consequences. People need to be on that.

0:00:57 - (Josh Bellieu): Hey everyone, Josh Bellew here, Ultralife today talking to Dr. Petra Davilar, naturopathic doctor, graduate of Bastyr, like a lot of doctors, experienced a crisis within her own nuclear family that spurred her on toward moving into this world of naturopathic medicine and then ultimately focusing on something called deutenomics. We're talking about deuterium, something you find on the periodic table of the elements and how it's something that is really affecting mitochondrial health and we're unaware of it.

0:01:31 - (Josh Bellieu): And Petra is taking us on a dive into this world to understand it, understand how it works in the body, how we can test for high levels of deuterium and then what we can actually do along the way to lower deuterium's deleterious negative effects in our body. Petra, thanks again for joining us. And again I wish I could come through the screen and hang out with where you are and take a dip in the little pool behind you there.

0:01:59 - (Josh Bellieu): Yeah, thanks for, thanks for being here and helping us. You know, I was talking to one of my colleagues off camera a minute ago and it was just like, I find it so fascinating that someone will focus on something that's such a little known thing and then begin to educate people on it. And then we begin to realize how much that little known thing is actually messing with our physical health, our emotional health, with everything in our environment.

0:02:27 - (Josh Bellieu): So take us. So I started, you know, I started saying in our, in our last episode that we were going to, you're gonna, you're testing someone, you find that they've got excess deuterium. You're certainly going to talk to them about diet and things. But then you introduce this idea of deuterium depleted water. And I know for me being a guy that's like a health food store junkie Right. Since I about 16. You know, just walk in there, it's like cool, you know, and you just buy things randomly and start taking them.

0:02:57 - (Josh Bellieu): How does one begin to change their life when they realize they've got excess deuterium? What are some practical things that an individual can do? What do you as a practitioner begin to tell them to guide them on this journey that may have a radical impact on an autoimmune disorder they're experiencing, some other health crisis they've got going on in their life. Where does it start for you?

0:03:21 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): Yeah, so it's, it's starts by addressing all parts of the lifestyle that. Okay, it's. And you really don't need to jump towards depleted water. It's really not feasible for most.

0:03:35 - (Josh Bellieu): Right.

0:03:36 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): Because it's.

0:03:36 - (Josh Bellieu): Well, thanks for that. That's good.

0:03:38 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): Yeah. No, so just so that, that's clear. Yeah. If you have a advanced stage of cancer, this is something you should absolutely consider.

0:03:48 - (Josh Bellieu): Right.

0:03:49 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): For most of us that's not the case. And so thankfully, and we have to just become aware of, of not deuterium loading, if you will, just by doing that, by changing how much water you drink a day, lowering that, you are basically deuterium depleting. Right. That, that's just one thought.

0:04:10 - (Josh Bellieu): Wow.

0:04:12 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): So then changing the foods you consume is important. And you know, Ultra Botanica has of course, amazing botanicals that we also know have very specific functions in depleting deuterium by providing deuterium low, you know, hydrogens, because most of these plants preferentially bind hydrogen and not deuterium. So it's a low deuterium substrate, if you will, for mitochondria that then can provide, you know, the, the, the fuel to make your fatty acids to produce ultimately your deuterium depleted water in your mitochondria.

0:05:02 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): Making sure that you consume foods that are low in deuterium is key. Letting go of those foods that we know are way too high, just don't touch them. Making sure that you sleep eight hours or whatever you need, because that is when we deplete deuterium while we sleep. So all of those pieces are fundamental and really can shift how someone feels on a daily basis.

0:05:27 - (Josh Bellieu): So you're myth busting here for me, because I've been a guy that preaches hydration, hydration, hydration. But then I also tell people, hey, put the juice of a lemon in your 40 ounce thing of water. Get you some Celtic sea salt or some pink Himalayan salt and throw that in there too. Because, you know, hydration isn't just about taking water in. It's about really nourishing on the cellular level, what's going on to hydrate those cells.

0:05:55 - (Josh Bellieu): But it's like you've got me scratching my head right now because you said, well, one of the easy things someone could do to lower deuterium levels in their body is to limit their water intake. So how does one begin to preach to the masses who have been hearing three quarts water a day? If you get a gallon, that's fine too. But how do you begin to do that? How does one stay hydrated and also maybe look at water as being one of the number one culprits for some people for deuterium loading?

0:06:26 - (Josh Bellieu): How do you balance that?

0:06:28 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): So it's about listening to your body. You need to try and feel the cues of thirst. And if you get thirsty, sit with that for five minutes and experience that and see if your body actually compensates and upregulates your own metabolic water production. Now what you need to understand is, is as I said earlier, we make our own water and that is metabolic water, we call it. And as you drink your water.

0:06:55 - (Josh Bellieu): Yes, I've got to do it. You got me thinking I'm thirsty all of a sudden, right?

0:06:59 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): Yeah. And so learning how to sense that you actually need it, if you drink water the whole day, what a lot of people do, and they're being told to do that. And by the way, the water segment of the beverage industry is the largest growing segment of all beverages. So just know that this is marketing to a large extent and so we don't really need all that excess water. And in fact, if you drink that much, what happens is you shut down something called antidiuretic hormone. Antidiuretic hormone is the hormone that governs, you know, the water bounds, your electrolyte bounds in your kidneys. And if it senses all this water is coming in, it's, it's like, well, we don't have to hold on to anything. Let's just, you know, excrete, excrete, excrete.

0:07:57 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): And it's very funny. In 2016, there was a, a study done. They were trying to determine the hydration index of eight different fluids. And what they did, it was funded by the beverage industry. So they took water, they took coffee, tea, orange juice, non fat milk, fats, whole fat milk, and some hydrate salt, hydration fluid, some salty water, okay. And they took 24 healthy young men, they asked them, okay, don't drink anything after 8am this morning.

0:08:33 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): Come at noon, we're going to give You a liter of water and then we're going to watch you for four hours and see how much you urinate. And you have to drink that fluid in 30 minutes. So they did and then they started measuring while they stopped measuring at two hours because all of them had already excreted more than they had drank. We're talking 1.3 liters, 1.6 liters. So you actually causing under hydration by drinking all this fluid.

0:09:05 - (Josh Bellieu): Wow.

0:09:06 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): So the only one that was not excluded, two that were not as bad was the whole fat milk. Because you're getting milk, right. So some fat, I mean fat. So that's deuterium depleted.

0:09:22 - (Josh Bellieu): Perfect.

0:09:23 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): And you, you the salty water. So people were again, it was still more than they drank, but not as bad as all the others. So it's a very important paper and it's kind of just got shuffled away, but it's fascinating information. So yeah, don't over drink, just drink as you need.

0:10:25 - (Josh Bellieu): Hey, I'm feeling a little thirsty. I had a clinical nutritionist friend tell me a couple of years ago and it went very much against another clinical nutritionist friends of mine advice. And he goes, Josh, you get that 40 ounce thing of water, don't drink it all at once, keep it with you during the day so that it's available. But he said, you know, once every 15 minutes or so, an ounce or two, it's all good.

0:10:47 - (Josh Bellieu): You'll find, just do it that way, be intuitive about it. And I was like, I never really asked him why, but maybe he, maybe he was learning some things as with of the thousands of people that he had as clients over the years, he'd learned it's a much better way to drink water. Maybe that's really fascinating.

0:11:05 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): I mean also just think of your ancestors, you know, your grandparents, did they schlep around a bottle of water wherever they went and they.

0:11:13 - (Josh Bellieu): Yeah, and they didn't store a lot and they went and carried it and exercised to get it right for what they needed it for during that day. Interest. Interesting, interesting. So you made me think that there's kind of a hit list, so to speak, or a hierarchy of things. You referenced it in one of the earlier episodes. But I'm sure there's certain things that you would just say, look, if you cut out anything right away, this is going to be one of the quick.

0:11:42 - (Josh Bellieu): These are my Dr. Petra's top three things that if you'll just address these three things you're putting in your body on a daily basis that you're not aware those are probably negatively affecting your deuterium levels more than anything else. What would those top three things be? And I'm sure you're going to be talking about drive throughs and highly processed foods, but give me your list there. Give me a few of those.

0:12:07 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): Yeah, I mean basically fast food, all of it. And grains, you know, that's a big one. All grains and then actually not even a specific food. But anything that has been exposed to glyphosate in one way or another is, is a disaster because it just has such devastating effects on how your body can manage deuterium inside in those submolecular pathways. And glyphosate is toxic achelates important minerals like copper.

0:12:43 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): It has so many issues, but it really prevents us being able. And, and this is a, you know, a technical term, but it's called fractionate. You know, making sure that we separate deuterium from hydrogen in our bodies and get rid of it. Glyphosate gets in the mix, that that ends. And, and as Stephanie Seneff has stated, you know, the, the name of the game is avoiding at all costs getting deuterium inside of the mitochondria.

0:13:14 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): And so we have to prevent that. And glyphosate will totally mess that up.

0:13:20 - (Josh Bellieu): This is a super happy rabbit trail for me to go down because you mentioned glyphosate and when you mentioned that to a lot of people, even people that are trying to study health, they are just kind of like, well, it's just a fact of life. I'm going to be exposed to it even if I eat super clean and I eat organic all the time and I'm not going through the drive through and I don't eat processed foods and I hardly touch sugar and I've got super health fats in my diet.

0:13:46 - (Josh Bellieu): I bet you have some insight that you could give our viewers as it relates to glyphosate because recently I've heard some people, someone you, you probably share a mutual respect for with Logan Duvall of a guy that really preaches a lot about copper and its profound role in our life. And it seems to be really undiscovered and most people almost think it's bad in the health arena. But is there some practical things for quickly reducing a glyphosate load for someone to, I mean obviously the thought of eat organic, but we know there's organic and then there's organic. You know, there's different levels of all these foods.

0:14:26 - (Josh Bellieu): What, what, what is, what is something that you do when you recognize someone has Got a high glyphosate exposure. And what are you able to tell them to do that? Kind of. Because a lot of people think, well, these are just forever chemicals that are going to be in my body. But recently I've even heard people talking about chelating those out. You have any practical advice for us about that?

0:14:46 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): Yeah, so I would first, and I have some clients that have way higher levels than others. And yes, it's true, there is at this point basically an acceptable level that we all have to deal with because it's omnipresent, it's in the air we breathe, it's on the rain, it's in our water, it's everywhere. So that is an issue. But there's others that have just extremely high. And it was actually two of my clients who lived in the same area of Los Angeles that had very, very high. And to.

0:15:18 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): Then you have to look at, okay, who's spraying around you? Is it. Is it the Los Angeles, you know, maintenance, garden maintenance department? Is it your neighbors? You got to figure this out. You have to look. So that has to be eliminated under all costs. And you really need to step it up. If you have these high levels to not get any, any corn, any kind of soy, any kind of wheat, because all of those products have been compromised because they are genetically modified to understand huge amounts of these spraying happening. So they have it.

0:15:53 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): So don't eat those foods. And yeah, then we're experimenting with certain binding agents or homeopathics that can try and help you reduce your levels. And so, you know, we can only know for sure if that works. If we do a whole set of people test them, right. Have them do it for a month, have them be, you know, compliant in the sense that they actually do it, you know, and then retest. Yeah, and that's the trickier part.

0:16:21 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): But there are ways of doing it.

0:16:22 - (Josh Bellieu): And I'm sure you notice trends among your patient population over the years that allows you to mean. It's how we learn. Right. You know, you see these people and you take them on a health journey, and then you see another one that's got similar things. And then 10 years later, you're into this and you're saying, oh, wait a minute, this group kind of had these similar characteristics in this. And so you learn things along the way that probably a lot of people are never going to get their hands on.

0:16:49 - (Josh Bellieu): So metabolic water. Expound a little bit more on this idea of metabolic water in our bodies. And how do we determine if we have the right things going on with metabolic water in our bodies. I mean, is it just that, gosh, I woke up and I felt great today I'm sleeping well, I feel active and vibrant and there's no such thing as a cold in my life or sore throats or things like that, you know. Is health a good indicator that you're doing a lot of things right or not necessarily?

0:17:25 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): Yeah, absolutely. So clear thinking, you know, waking up before your alarm goes off, just waking up because you're ready for your day, you know, and you feel refreshed, being able to perform athletically in the way you want to do, so not needing a nap, staying active, you know, all of those things, feeling, well, that's huge. That will tell you you're on the right track. Right? You don't always have to test all of these things. It's a lot of it is just, you know, common sense.

0:17:59 - (Josh Bellieu): Explore a little bit more with us related to metabolic disorders. You know, you kind of covered the thyroid thing generally, you know, our lack of iodine, the fact that we can really mess that up with abundance of water and things like that. What are some common metabolic disorders that, that you see going on with people that are, are, are quickly responding to this concept of depleting deuterium in somebody's diet and, and in their environment, should I say?

0:18:30 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): Yeah, so, so another segment of, of my clientele are men in their 50s, 60s, early 70s that I consult with for cardiovascular health and trying to,

0:18:46 - (Josh Bellieu): you

0:18:46 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): know, find this balance between the statin world and, you know, eating no fats versus actually eat fats and use other nutrients to re establish the health of your very important endothelial function. And so that's a key piece. And I love these patients and I love the work and I love the knowledge that I'm learning and gaining. And as per usual, there's a whole set of data that's been completely omitted.

0:19:21 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): Not just a set, a giant piece of the puzzle that we were never really talked about for 3, 400 years now. So that all affects that piece. So I love that too. Metabolic health. So the integrity of the endothelial lining, the glycocalyx complex that should be populated by nanobubbles, I'm going to say lots of fun things here. And the integrity of that is key to cardiovascular health. So, so that's another one of my great passions. And deuterium plays a role in that because the, the lining of the, the layers of the water that form on top of this glycocalyx complex is determined. The thickness of it by the deuterium content of view in the body. So it's, it's all related and it's all super fascinating. Yeah.

0:20:06 - (Josh Bellieu): Wow. So do you find something? Because you mentioned some major things that are hot buttons with me like statins and stuff like that. How quickly. And I know under, in our, in our world right now, we're also seeing a massive uptick, as we know, in, in unique challenges to cardiovascular health. Give a little hope and inspiration to some men in their 50s or 60s that realize that I think these days, I mean, 25 years ago, Petra, I would see most of these problems occurring in people in their 70s and 80s.

0:20:50 - (Josh Bellieu): Now I'm running into people in their 40s that are having these problems, 30s, having these problems. Give a little hope and inspiration for somebody that may be a 55 plus male that comes to you. How quickly as they begin to implement some of the things that you can share with them, can they actually begin to notice changes in their health and go, wow, this lady is not kidding. She's got insights that can very quickly begin to give me some hope again for longevity and equality of life and raising not just my kids, but hanging out and influencing my grandkids.

0:21:26 - (Josh Bellieu): You know, how quickly do people notice results when they begin to take your advice?

0:21:32 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): So I mean, I really think we can see a strong difference in a matter of two months. I like to back that up with labs and I do and I test. So but this is complex. You know, you're bringing something up that clearly we've been dealing with for the last four years that has changed the health of radically pretty much the entire population.

0:21:55 - (Josh Bellieu): The entire population, yeah.

0:21:57 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): So we're dealing with a whole new aspect that most people are unwilling to acknowledge. But we have to be very clear on this change that medicine has changed forever since 2020. So it has in all aspects. So there is that piece that we need to take in consideration. Now, regardless, change can be made and that is where the whole piece comes in. But it's going to take extra work and it's going to take some vigilance and it's going to take some checking certain markets, seeing where you're at, pulling it away. Deuterium plays a key role in all of this as well as has been shown in some of the published papers. So yes, there's hope.

0:22:44 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): You just got to go to work and be realistic and know what we're up against and do the best we can.

0:22:50 - (Josh Bellieu): I think one of the hardest things, and I know you understand this is in this world that is standard of care with a lot of regulatory capture and large, large health systems, literally, as you mentioned in one of the earlier episodes, that are basically boxing people in and controlling the health paradigm, the way they think about health, everything as it relates to health. And then I come along and say, no, you need to go see a doctor and you're going to pay money out of pocket to do that. And it's going to be the best, it's going to be the best money you've ever spent because they're going to recommend you get tests that you've never even heard of before to really drill in on what's going on with your thyroid, what metabolic disorder, what's going on with your cardiovascular health.

0:23:34 - (Josh Bellieu): And not to mention people will begin to feel better quickly. I've never noted anybody that doesn't, I mean, I tell people, real practical baby steps, I say, look, if you're overwhelmed by the idea because you go through the drive through six days a week, next week just go through five times and then the week after that just go through four and then three and then two and one and you tell me how you feel after a month, month of not going through the drive thru, it flips people out. They feel so much better, they don't realize the chemical dump they're putting into their body when they're doing that and how much better they'll feel just by depleting those things out of their life.

0:24:13 - (Josh Bellieu): But just do it at the pace you can, but just do it. Like you said, do the work. What's a typical day in the life of Dr. Petra Davilar as it relates to what you personally eat? Because I know I allow myself on occasion the cheats that I do. Overall wise, I eat a pretty darn clean diet and take pretty good care of myself. But I do not tell myself that I'm never going to have my favorite high butterfat ice cream again that I know is going to be a sugar dump and stuff. And when I want to do that, I'll do it. And then I just don't do it again for a while. So what's a, what's, what's your diet look like on a daily basis? I'm curious.

0:24:51 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): Well, I like to get up early, I'm an early bird and like to go make my coffee. Go sit outside, have the sunrise.

0:24:58 - (Josh Bellieu): All right. Real light.

0:25:00 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): Yes, yes, real. Like before I look at my phone and try to get all the pathways, you know, circadian rhythms activated with my coffee with my chaga inside of it and that's it. Then I, I usually, that's around 6 and I usually don't eat until noon.

0:25:21 - (Josh Bellieu): Okay.

0:25:21 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): That would be a higher fats carnivore type of meal.

0:25:28 - (Josh Bellieu): So. So you actually just introduced the idea that Dr. Petra Davilar is actually doing a bit of intermittent fasting every day. Right. Because you're not eating until maybe around noon. You've had maybe some coffee in the morning. But if you're not introducing a lot of cream or something at that time, then you're, you're in ketosis a little bit every day. Right? Okay.

0:25:49 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): Okay, I am and I do. And I check it and I know, I know work. So. Yeah. And then I, yeah, I like some eggs in butter. Best quality eggs I can find. Sometimes sausages, sometimes bacon, sometimes whatever was leftover steak. That will be my one, my first meal. And then I have a meal later on that usually has some vegetables either fish, either, you know, steak, lamb, whatever, whatever. Anything that's beautiful on the market. The farmers.

0:26:20 - (Josh Bellieu): Nice.

0:26:22 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): That I go to and yeah, that's it. I don't, I don't do snacks. I do have a glass of red wine with dinner for sure. That is my, my treat. And I will often have a piece of dark chocolate at the end of the night. That's, that's my life. That's what I do. And yes, if it's time, I will eat the most perfect piece of, you know, sourdough bread. And I love cheese, so I would have some cheese maybe before I have my dinner, a few slices.

0:26:49 - (Josh Bellieu): Nice. Your diet sounds a lot like my diet actually.

0:26:54 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): Does it?

0:26:54 - (Josh Bellieu): Yeah, it really does. And that was a big, that was a switch that needed to be flipped for me as it related to learning about the carnivore diet and then meeting people that had been on it for 10, 15 and 20 years that were the picture of health compared to the people I knew that were super heavy on the whole quote unquote vegetarian or slash vegan diet and the unique differences in their health, even the way they looked.

0:27:25 - (Josh Bellieu): And it's like, oh my gosh, it's. And I've got a Native American background as well in my family. And so it just makes practical sense to me to look back at the way they ate, what they didn't eat most of their lives or very infrequently ate and go, you know what? And they would gorge themselves at times, right. When they had meat and when they had a lot of fat and organ meats and stuff, they would gorge themselves because they knew they weren't going to eat for a while.

0:27:52 - (Josh Bellieu): And even overeating in that way wasn't bad for them, you know, very, very healthy. So I know there's so much more on future episodes that we'll do. We'll want to have you back. I want to remind people it's super easy to get a hold of Petra Davilar. Dr. Petra D dot com. It's like drpetrad.com but don't put a period after that. Dr. Dr. We've introduced this idea of deutenomics. Guess what? You can go to her website and she will kind of begin to whet your appetite a little bit and educate you about dudenomics. And of course, you can just connect with her.

0:28:34 - (Josh Bellieu): You may not have somebody and you may have found our interview with her today. It's like, that's the person I would like to be, my doctor. So by all means, reach out to her. We're so grateful that. I'm so grateful that the universe brought us together through Logan Duvall. There's so many things I plan on learning from you in the future. One last question for you is, is this idea of dudenomics still on, like the tip of the iceberg on what we know?

0:29:02 - (Josh Bellieu): And do you see things happening in the future or are there things even going on right now in research around the idea of deuterium in our body at excess levels? Is there some promising things coming in the future that you're, you know, maybe you'll say next time you're gonna, you know, hold fast and come back. Are there some cool things going on?

0:29:22 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): Yeah, I really do think so. Because this is so fundamental. A lot of people's interests have been piqued and publications are coming out and new directions of research have to be made. We have to really understand much better how we can make this water and. And hopefully we will have home units one day where we.

0:29:44 - (Josh Bellieu): That'd be brilliant, wouldn't it?

0:29:45 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): Have our own depletion of water at home and not have to ship bottles and plastic and all of that business. So I'm really hoping for that. I think we really also need to understand better how deuterium actually gets moved into bone and connective tissue and how we can facilitate that at a better level and what the processes are there. And I know people are working on that. So, you know, there's so much more. There's so much more. And I know we.

0:30:13 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): We will touch on that.

0:30:14 - (Josh Bellieu): We will thank.

0:30:15 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): It is a very dynamic.

0:30:16 - (Josh Bellieu): Yeah, thank you for being a fish out of water and being willing to swim upstream and throw out new, new things for us to learn. So many people just kind of go with the flow, even when they get into a health lifestyle or something. You're obviously an innovator like my partner, Adam Payne, who's just such a brilliant guy and is always wanting to listen to new things and learn. Thank you for being that person, Petra.

0:30:39 - (Josh Bellieu): We'll have you back for other episodes in the future. Okay, thanks.

0:30:43 - (Dr. Petra Davelaar): Thank you so much, Josh.

0:30:45 - (Josh Bellieu): Okay. Ultralife today. Dr. Petra Davilar. We'll see you soon on another episode of Ultralife Today. You like what we're doing? Like, subscribe and share.