Mastering Productivity and Habits with Francis Nayan

In this episode, recorded in 2020, Nika and Francis Nayan dive into the realms of productivity, habit formation, and the realities of the laptop lifestyle. Francis, an esteemed Email Copywriter for coaches and e-commerce businesses, and the creator of the C.A.S.H.E Money Method of Email Marketing, brings a wealth of knowledge on leveraging personal and engaging copy to significantly boost business revenue. 

His expertise extends to transforming businesses from unnoticed entities into significant market players with devoted followings through story-based copy and tailored email marketing strategies, fostering lifelong customer relationships. Together, they unpack essential tips for enhancing productivity, creating effective habits, and demystifying the laptop lifestyle, offering listeners actionable insights for achieving success and fulfillment in both personal and professional spheres.

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Speaker 1: 0:06

Welcome to the Inspired with Mika Laurie podcast. Francis, welcome to the show. I'm so grateful to have you here today.

Speaker 2: 0:18

Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I'm a big fan of your podcast and I'm really honored to be here. Thank, you. Yeah, and hopefully I can give some value to your audience. And yeah, let's get started.

Speaker 1: 0:28

Yeah, absolutely. So you have a really interesting backstory. Can you talk about what you went through and how you got to where you are today?

Speaker 2: 0:35

Yeah, yeah. How deep should I go through, I guess my history, Because I know you that's up to you.

Speaker 1: 0:41

Yeah, I always leave that up to the guests because I think it's really important for the guests to be able to tell their own story, like share their own information. So go for it whatever you feel comfortable with.

Speaker 2: 0:51

For sure, for sure. Well, I'm pretty comfortable with everything. But, yeah, you read my website. I'm sure you might've listened to a podcast or two that I've been on recently, and there's. I guess my story of entrepreneurship and working online kind of dates back a couple of years ago, in which I was so far away from being an entrepreneur or being really even independent, because I was addicted to drugs.

Speaker 2: 1:15

I was just partying super hard. Yeah, not even really partying, I was just making bad decisions with some bad people. And then you know, long story short, I was able to get cleaned via like an overdose.

Speaker 1: 1:29

Congratulations, that's a big deal.

Speaker 2: 1:30

Yeah, thank you, thank you. Yeah, and got clean, went back home to Memphis, tennessee, where I'm originally from, and you know, basically I wanted to do the exact opposite.

Speaker 1: 1:42

So you know, in a deep end I was kind of in.

Speaker 2: 1:43

I was kind of imprisoned. You know, through my you know through my habits, my bad habits, that I wanted to do something kind of crazy. You know, I want to do something out of the ordinary, I want to do something on the other end of the spectrum, and so that was essentially travel the world. And you know, I was able to do that about nine months after my overdose. I got a job teaching English in Barcelona and I spent an amazing year there, learned a whole lot about myself. It was really crazy, just from the drastic change and everything. And then I wanted to kind of continue this.

Speaker 2: 2:16

The thing with teaching English abroad is you get a lot of freedom from that, just because the hours aren't long and, depending on the school, it could be really relaxed. So I wanted to kind of continue doing that for a few years. But so I went to Budapest, hungary, the next year to teach English and that was fine. But then I realized I wasn't really into teaching and yeah, just like that kind of hit that wall there, you know. So then I looked up you know, know how do I make money online? What is it? You know, I didn't even know what like freelancing was. Or you know copywriting or anything. But I had a friend who told me that she she was a copywriter for um, for uh, I think T-Mobile or something in Budapest, and so that was kind of like my first introduction to copywriting.

Speaker 2: 3:08

So I Googled it, I kind of searched you know what is a copywriter, how do you make money doing that? And I kind of honestly left it alone. And then I ended up meeting a guy, a German guy, at some meetup in Budapest and he told me you know, he's a freelance copywriter and he's only 19. He's making pretty good money and he's like yeah, I work from home and it's cool and I love writing. You should do it too. And then that was kind of like the catalyst that brought me to the name now, which is I'm a freelance email copywriter, slash email marketer, and I work with six to eight figure businesses that's amazing E-commerce, or personal brands like coaching and consultants, and yeah. So I spend most of my days strategizing just writing a couple emails a day for my clients, you know, sending out to their email lists, and that is my work. So yeah, that was kind of it in like a good five minute nutshell.

Speaker 1: 4:02

Very cool. So often we see kind of this glamorous lifestyle of people. You know the the laptop lifestyle where they're traveling the world and you know doing all these things and being able to work from their laptop and in a sense, you're totally doing that, being able to kind of travel and work from your, your home I'm doing air quotes around home, since you kind of get to travel but can you talk about? You know the truth behind the laptop lifestyle and you know why that requires you to be even more serious about the things that you're doing in order to succeed.

Speaker 2: 4:34

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2: 4:35

I mean, I think this is always, it's always a fun topic for me to talk about, because you know, I think people they'll look at my, my Instagram, or I'll tell them where, what I, you know where I'm at, you know where I'm at, you know what I'm doing, and they're just thinking, oh, you must be just having so much fun and like living the life and things like that.

Speaker 2: 4:52

And you know, don't get me wrong, it's fun, I do like traveling, I do eat like good food and see beautiful places. But you know, it's uh, you know, even though in the term laptop lifestyle, it's like laptop comes first, so like, yeah, work comes first, so it's. It's like, you know, the, when you see people on instagram kind of photos on the beach and everything like that, um, yeah, that does happen, but it's actually a lot harder to. It's actually really hard to keep the, you know, to keep it up because you have so many distractions. Um, you know, in your way, whether that's you have friends in the city or you have this event or that event, or just because you're a big wanderlust person, it can be difficult to stay focused and get lost in those distractions.

Speaker 1: 5:38

Yes, definitely yeah. I mean I notice I don't even travel for a living, you know, or travel while I work. I work from home. And even just the distractions in my own home, where I have, you know, my business office in my home, it's still easy to kind of be pulled off to, you know. Oh, I'll go clean my kitchen or oh, I'll go, you know, take the dog for a walk or something. So there really is a mindset behind taking it seriously and understanding that it really is a job that you have to show up to.

Speaker 2: 6:08

Oh yeah, definitely, definitely, and that's I think that's you know. The next thing is like you really need to have that mindset of I'm going to, I'm going to try to make this work.

Speaker 1: 6:18

Right, right.

Speaker 2: 6:19

And yeah, I mean it all kind of you know, stems from just having that mindset of um, of I'm a professional, I'm not just like someone on social media trying to like show off my lifestyle. And yeah, sometimes you just need to be really serious and step away from the beach or you know the cool cafe and just get to work.

Speaker 1: 6:39

Get to work, yeah. So what are some of the productivity hacks that you've been able to find, like, what are some of the tips that you've had to kind of balance out that work-life balance, I guess. So you're still having fun, but getting stuff done certain habits.

Speaker 2: 7:08

It's just habits that work for you, because if you're able to have these habits and you know set place and these set things that you do every day, then they kind of bunker your productivity and your mindset and so, yeah, those are just really important. It's not just you know, I think there's a big debate going on right now and like entrepreneurship and like the hustlers and things, it's like you, you know, they're all trying to beat each other with uh, you know, I wake up at 4 30 and we're like, oh no, I wake up 4 15. Or you know, I wake up at 4 am and then it's like what? I realized that it doesn't even really matter when you wake up, it's what you do after. So, absolutely, it's.

Speaker 2: 7:39

It's all of these things that when you have all these habits together and you're strong with them, you stick to them, they bunker your business and they bunker, you know, your work. Maybe you don't even have a business, you just work remotely, but they're able to help you stay productive. So then maybe you can go off and, um, you know, enjoy the city. Or you know, if you're not traveling, just enough time to spend time with your kids or your loved one. I know for me. I wasn't traveling for a fair amount of time and I was just living with my girlfriend in Budapest, but I still had these habits in which they kept me solid of like this is when work starts and this is when work ends, and that would allow me to spend more time with her, or go see a friend without any guilt or feeling like. Feeling like, oh, I have to work right now.

Speaker 1: 8:29

Yeah, that's one thing that I definitely did, was I? So I kind of tried to debunk the idea of hustle when I so my podcast and business called health and hustle and it, you know, people hear hustle and they think, oh, you know that 4am kind of thing, you know, and the go, go, go. And for me it's really the opposite of that. It's really kind of taking back that term and the idea is to build in health and wellness and life and work balance into your hustle. And so, you know, for me, I my business hours are usually like, honestly, about 10am to 5, 530. And I focus really hard during those times and I get as much as I can done in those times and then that allows me to have time to, you know, spend time with my family or my daughter or get real sleep, so I'm not waking up at 4 am. And so I think it's really about having those really set kind of strict boundaries around your habits and hustle or your habits and routines. So I totally love that. I.

Speaker 2: 9:30

Yeah, yeah, I mean it's. I think I read a book by Todd Herman called the Alter Ego Effect where essentially it's creating this kind of environment around you and these actions before you start work, that kind of you kind of put yourself into your alter ego or you know, you don't just go from, you know Nika, the family member you become, you know the person at work, and that kind of puts you in that mindset of like, okay, this is what I'm going to be the most productive. And then, when you do that over and over again, it's kind of weird how, like those hours throughout the day, even when you're not working, your mind is in work mode.

Speaker 2: 10:10

So then it's just more powerful, so yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely Great.

Speaker 1: 10:14

So, kind of counterintuitive to that, you also talk about sometimes sacrificing things that you enjoy in order to have a great life. Can you talk about why sacrificing a few things can kind of help you, you know, choose, kind of move in a good way, if that makes sense? It's kind of a hard question, but do you know what I'm trying to say there?

Speaker 2: 10:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean there's, like I would say there's really no rules in regards to like work life balance, other than you have to do what makes you feel good. You know, and when I was saying you, maybe you might have to sacrifice something for a better life, for more happiness, that doesn't mean I'm just talking about spending time with family or friends or having to work more. Sometimes you might have to say to your loved one hey, I might need to work another hour or two so I can get this project done. They'll have to understand. Then sometimes we'll just have to step away from the laptop and from work because you're burned out and you want to rest and you just want to be with your loved one or something.

Speaker 2: 11:18

And so I think a lot of times people really feel like it's a sacrifice. But I think that at the end of the day, it's really important to treat yourself and to be kind to yourself and to give yourself the things that you need at the time and to give yourself the things that you need at the time. So you know, maybe if you're working on a project or something and you know you really, really, really want to go past 5.30 or 6 pm because it's important to you, then I think you should, because you know what is another hour or two out of that day. But you know, on the other end, you know if you want to spend more time with your family and that's going to help you in the future, then I don't think you should beat yourself up for that. So maybe the word sacrifice wouldn't be like the best word. But giving yourself what you need, yeah, and then it won't feel like a sacrifice.

Speaker 1: 12:05

It's almost like you know not feeling guilty for having to take the time to complete the project that you know you need to make money to pay your bills, kind of thing. It's like a. It's kind of a double-edged sword, so you have to figure out how to balance that without feeling bad or being too hard on yourself.

Speaker 2: 12:21

Exactly, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 1: 12:24

So you also you have kind of had this amazing thing where you've gone from, you know, doing drugs to being kind of a struggling freelancer to now earning six figures working for huge companies. Can you talk about, you know really the mental habits and the routines, like maybe kind of specifically the things that you started doing that helped you kind of make that transition?

Speaker 2: 12:46

Yeah, yeah. So a lot of it, you know, that's, I would say it's everything kind of all the habits that I've had. They kind of leveled up in a way. What you can say is successful nowadays, you know, even that's subjective is just being around people, um, who support you, and always being in touch with those people, um, every day.

Speaker 2: 13:21

You know that's one of those habits, that, um, that I think some people kind of neglect, cause they they're way too into their work, but like just kind of checking in with your mentor or your team or your colleagues, um, I think that's just one of the most powerful things that you can bring into your life, that you want to make you feel better about your journey. But then it just feels good to have that support. You know, a lot of the times it's just a mindset thing of you know, can I get to that next level? But then when you speak to someone who really supports you, then it just becomes more believable and when you believe in it, then you're going to make it happen.

Speaker 2: 13:57

You know, I think that's kind of like the secret, kind of law of attraction type thing, but I think there's a lot of truth to it and it does work, but, um, you know, in regards to like the, the actual, like day-to-day habits, for me it's just waking up in the morning, at the same time almost every day, and taking care of my mind by journaling in the morning, by meditating, by exercising, um, as soon as I can, uh, and then also just having that quiet time to myself, um, because when I do that, it's just I'm able to perform better, and I can perform better than you know. Of course, the, the work I have is just a lot better quality. You know, I am more rested when I get on these calls and I have more energy and enthusiasm, and so taking care of your mind and body is is so important for work. I mean, as a copywriter, my mind is like my best asset.

Speaker 2: 14:57

You know if I'm not sleeping, if I'm not eating well, if I'm not taking care of myself, then I'm just like a slug. You know that's like that's no good. So yeah, definitely taking care of myself and focusing on sleep and my overall health. That's one of the best things that I think I did and that everyone should be focusing on sleep and my overall health. That's one of the best things that I think I did and that everyone should be focusing on if they're working from home.

Speaker 1: 15:20

Oh, I totally agree.

Speaker 1: 15:21

I love that you also talked about, you know, finding kind of I can't remember exactly how you said it, but kind of that peace, that silence, taking some moments to kind of just disconnect, because I think it brings in one, it rejuvenates you, but to it you get so much more clarity and I think we really as a society undervalue the disconnect.

Speaker 1: 15:43

You know, we have our phones and we have our watches and we have the TV and we have the news and we have, you know, the internet and all these things going on all the time, plus the fact that we just walk outside and there's billboards and you know bands driving by with ads. Yeah, like you can't, you can't avoid it. And one of the best things I ever did, as silly as it sounds, is I sit in my closet with the door closed because it's quiet in there and I just spend, you know, five, 10 minutes in the dark with my eyes closed and it like I just feel better. So I love that you brought that up and I'm glad I'm not the only one that does that kind of stuff?

Speaker 2: 16:18

Oh, for sure, For sure. I think that's definitely one of those smaller habits, Cause you know, I do like journal and meditate. But then you know, there's been times where, like my girlfriend will come downstairs and she just sees me like, like sitting in the dark, like on the floor. She's like, what are you doing? I'm like I'm just chilling, Like I'm just getting ready for the day and it's really nice. I think, you know, meditating is nice, but you're still kind of active, you know.

Speaker 2: 16:42

But I think, if you're like sitting down, you kind of let your thoughts like be whatever, and it really just makes you feel good. You know, you really feel calm.

Speaker 1: 16:50

And I think everybody should do that. Yeah, I totally agree, I love it. So what have been? I mean? So, other than that one and the getting healthy, what have been some of the favorite things that you've learned throughout your transition or things that you've taken in that have really, really made an impact?

Speaker 2: 17:07

Yeah. So I think one of the biggest things is that anytime I, you know, accomplish a goal, you goal, whether that's getting a client, or monetary goal, or travel goal, I always want to get to the next level because I'm just into personal development and progressing. But what that means is that the person that I am now will have to change to become the person I want to be. So all of the habits that I have, everything I do all day, it has to kind of shift a little bit. So anytime I kind of accomplish something, then I have to think about you know, who do I need to be to make this certain goal happen? And when I kind of reverse engineer it, I can determine the new habits or these new little shifts that I need to create. And I think that's happened literally every single. It happens like once a month.

Speaker 2: 18:06

Actually, I was going to say it happens like a few times after I was kind of battling addiction or trying to get clean. I need to be with different people and I needed to have a different hobby other than like drinking beer or something like that.

Speaker 1: 18:25

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 18:26

You know, when I was a struggling freelancer, it was more like okay, instead of going out till two or three in the morning hanging out with friends, maybe I should just go to sleep at 10 and then treat a Saturday like a work day or treat, you know, treat every day as if you know I'm really like fighting for my career, which I was become. Another habit of mine is understanding who I need to become and who and what kind of habits and actions that person needs to have to succeed.

Speaker 1: 19:02

Yeah, yeah, I love that. I think it's like you know, they always say about like act as if or like you know, kind of like pretend like you're already that person, and people always kind of think that's cheesy because you're, you're faking it. I'm doing air quotes around the faking it. But I think there's some real validity behind that, because you really do. You know, if you want to be a freelancer, but then you're like you were saying out partying till two in the morning and not investing any time or energy into marketing and networking and those kinds of things you're not going to get from point A to point B, like you're just going to kind of stay stuck. And so I think there is a lot of truth behind you know, it's not just lie and pretend that you're something you're not, but it really is start acting or doing the things that you need to play that role in order to get to step B. So I love that.

Speaker 2: 19:52

Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 1: 19:54

So tell me, I want to shift a little bit. So tell me about some of the things that you did early in your career that has helped you really become successful. You know, are there marketing tools? Are there connections you made? What are the kinds of things that really helped you kind of launch to where you are now?

Speaker 2: 20:12

Yeah, for me, it's all about, you know, networking and creating connections with, with people online, and reaching out to anyone who really just, you know interests you. You know, I it's. It's something that I'm still doing today because, of course, I sent you an email, because I listened to your, to your podcast, so I was like wow. Yeah, you know, I was like I really liked your vibe, I really liked the conversation that was going on and I was like what's the worst that could happen if I just say hello.

Speaker 1: 20:37

Right yeah.

Speaker 2: 20:38

Exactly so. When I first started out and I had zero clients and I was zero leverage, zero references or testimonials, I was just messaging agency owners and random business owners and I was just being honest. I was like hi, I like your website, I like the. You guys are obviously doing a lot of great things. I'm an up-and-coming freelancer. I is there any way I can. We can connect, we can be friends. If I could do a test project, and I was just just being completely honest, um, and yeah, so just networking and being honest, it's a man, it's just. It's just crazy how much that's helped. I mean one relationship, you know it might not. You know one connection. It might not affect you immediately in regards to improving your career, but then you'd be surprised with you know the, you know referrals or how many people you can meet through one person.

Speaker 2: 21:34

I mean, just last week I I got a, an email from, from someone who I messaged two years ago kind of, when I was starting out, and she was like oh, hey, francis, I heard that you're on this podcast. Are you open for a project? And I was like, oh wow, like I can't believe you remembered me. That's wild. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Networking, and just yeah. I mean going on like Facebook and joining like different groups and things like that. I mean that's just so powerful. Yeah, you're surrounding yourself with people who are like you, with you know like-minded goals and things like that. So, yeah, for sure, I think networking would be probably number one.

Speaker 1: 22:17

I love that too, because I'll give you a perfect example of you and I is. It's not just the networking, but it's the follow-up too, because your first email to me somehow I missed it. I have no idea how I missed it. I have a five-year-old daughter who plays with my phone and I have a feeling that's how I missed it, but I don't know for sure. But you followed up with me and the thing was that, even though I didn't respond to your first email, it had nothing to do with you, it wasn't personal at all. I literally just didn't see the email, and so the fact that you followed it's like oh, they don't like me, I'm not good enough, I, you know I'm horrible, you know you instantly go to this lack of self-worth thing when reality, it's just like people have their own lives and things are going on, and so doing those, those follow-ups and really trying to build those relationships, I think is so, so important.

Speaker 2: 23:08

Oh, definitely, I think. Yeah, I mean, relationship building is key for anything. I mean, if you're in a mastermind or you're trying to be on a podcast like me or you're, you know, trying to get clients or retain clients, relationship building and just being human and being nice, it goes a long way.

Speaker 1: 23:29

Yeah, absolutely Absolutely. Are there any outside of networking, any other tools that you found really useful? Like, you talked about Facebook a little bit, but, you know, have you found social media to be useful, maybe SEO things like that? Like, what are the best tools that you've found along the way?

Speaker 2: 23:46

Yeah, so one of the things that I've had that I've done was actually grow my email list. I guess it would be two things. It would be grow my email list and write blog posts. And I know there's a lot of people are like, oh, blogging is a big waste of time. But for me I would go on mediumcom and kind of write random articles about copywriting or email marketing and one out of five or so would get published to a publication and you know, I'd randomly see like, oh, like 12 people read your article today, and then I would create my own email list where I would promote these blog posts.

Speaker 2: 24:26

And then that actually helped a whole lot because you know, if somebody goes to your website or actually like literally sends you their email, you know that means they want to hear from you and you know, in a way you're kind of like obligated to to to send them content because how you know they, you know it's, they're just so nice. You know, I'm always surprised when someone wants to. They're like I was like, well, you joined my email list. Like what do I? What do I have to say? But, um, yeah, I think doing that and like creating like a small community is really helpful.

Speaker 2: 24:57

But you know you don't even need to do that. I mean, as I said, going on Facebook and joining a group is just as powerful, you know, as long as you stay consistent in your engagement and you know kind of give value and you know not even really give value, just yeah, just stay engaged, whether that's commenting on someone's post or anything. That's really helpful because then eventually, you know, in my case, as a copywriter, people were like if there was a question about copy, people would tag me in it and they'd say, oh, francis knows all about this, you should talk to him. And then, you know, occasionally a project would come through and yeah, things would just kind of build up from there.

Speaker 1: 25:36

Absolutely, and I think you know it goes back to the follow-up again too. It's like they sign up for your email. Well, it's your responsibility to follow up and send them an email. So, yeah, I love that. So, through the whole experience and the transition and you know even the kind of health and wellness changes you've made what is the biggest takeaway you've had from this whole experience?

Speaker 2: 25:56

I would say the biggest takeaway is that you know if there's and it's going to sound really cheesy, but, like you know, if there's a goal that you, that you know that you have, you know that it's really just possible and it just takes a little bit of patience and it can be so annoying how long it'll take, but to have patience and a little perseverance, it it it kind of just compounds and eventually if you, in time, I mean whatever you want, just uh, it just happens.

Speaker 2: 26:23

I mean I remember when I kind of had this goal of like a big, like goal for for freelance copywriters. It's like, oh, I'm going to make $10,000 a month. And I remember when I was only making like $500 a month and I had, I was like, oh, I'm so like, I'm so far away from like I can barely even cover rent here, and like, do that or something. But then these little, you know, every email, every cold email that I would send, every blog post that I, that I create, that I wrote, um, it would compound. Then eventually I was getting, you know, notoriety. So, um, yeah, I mean I kind of forgot the question there, but it's it's more like just just your biggest takeaway.

Speaker 2: 27:02

Yeah, oh yeah, takeaway, yeah yeah, biggest takeaway was just you. Anything is really possible.

Speaker 1: 27:09

Yeah, absolutely yeah. Just it takes some effort. The trick is action, so yeah.

Speaker 2: 27:15

The trick? The trick is action, but it can be so annoying because you know you can take action and you're like, oh, I'm taking such massive action and then nothing happens for like six months, but then just stay. Then just staying in it it just does so much for you.

Speaker 1: 27:29

Yeah, and I think that's an important thing for people really early on starting their business is understanding that what you're doing now is gonna lead like, even if you don't have a clear direction. I know for me, I started my business doing something completely different than I'm doing now and it led me to where I am now, but it was like one step after another just kept building on itself and then finally I got clarity and direction and was able to kind of grow from there. And then, you know, I was able to start connecting with people and kind of start building, building the business from there.

Speaker 2: 28:02

But the whole thing is don't quit, like just keep going, do those little steps and be patient. Like you said, I was fully expecting you to like not respond at all and I was like all right, but I was like you know, it's fine If not maybe the next one, and but you know you did respond and I think that just because there's a chance that it might not go your way, I don't think that should stop you from trying.

Speaker 1: 28:41

So absolutely not, and I think you know the reaching out and following up and the response kind of thing. It's. It's a testament to both of us learning how important relationships are in building a business and connecting with people, and it goes back to that networking thing. It really is all about who you know and who you help and how you build. You know, a business of service and and so I, yeah, I, I love it. I think it's a really important thing for people to keep front of mind. Yeah, 100%, 100%, yeah.

Speaker 1: 29:12

So I have two more questions for you, but before I get to those, I just want to kind of recognize you for one, the transformation you've made, because that is such a huge thing to go through and to succeed at. And you know I don't know if you know, but the listeners know addiction is near and dear to my heart. I've had somebody very close to me go through addiction and it can be devastating. And to see you be able to transform and really turn your life around and do such amazing things and to help other people in the process is such an inspiration and so powerful. So I just want to recognize you for that.

Speaker 2: 29:49

Oh, thank you so much. You made my day for saying that.

Speaker 1: 29:52

Oh well, thank you. It's from the heart, I truly mean it. So my last two questions. First, where can the listeners connect with you? How can they find you and hopefully use your service if they need a copywriter?

Speaker 2: 30:03

Yeah, so they can find me at storiesandcopycom Just my website and you can join my email list. I email my list pretty regularly about freelancing, copywriting, all things marketing. It was pretty sporadic in 2020. At one point I was doing it like pretty well, like three or four times a week, and now I'm trying to do it like five, six times a week. Oh, wow, yeah, if you join my list, prepare to be annoyed with random stories of my life and things like that. But then you can also find me on Facebook and on Instagram. So there's only one Francis Nyan. Well, you might see my dad on there, but, yeah, just go for the younger guy.

Speaker 1: 30:49

Perfect, and I'll link to everything in the show notes to just make it easier. Yeah, perfect. So my last question for you is what advice do you have for someone who wants to make change either in their life, in their community or around the world?

Speaker 2: 31:04

I would say take it one day at a time. You know, whatever you want to accomplish, you're not going to get there tomorrow or even the next day. So those little habits and little things you do every day, those compound Whatever goal that is. If you take it day by day, whether that's going through trying to recover from addiction or trying to build your business, yeah, one day at a time.

Speaker 1: 31:28

Absolutely. I love it. It's all about the baby steps, one day at a time. Of course. You got it, yeah Well, thank you, francis, so much for joining me. I am just so grateful for your time and knowledge and experience, so it's been wonderful having you. Thank you so much, it was a blast, yeah.