Adrenal Fatigue, Hormone Imbalance, and Chronic Stress: How to Reclaim Your Energy with Dr. Brian Rodgers

Feeling exhausted no matter how much you rest? Wondering if adrenal fatigue, hormone imbalance, or chronic stress are wrecking your health? In this episode, Juanique sits down with Dr. Brian Rodgers to break down the hidden connections between your adrenals, thyroid, mitochondria, and overall energy — and why most doctors miss adrenal burnout completely.

You’ll learn exactly why adrenal recovery is key for lasting hormone balance and how functional medicine takes a different approach to healing.

What You’ll Learn:

✔ How the HPA axis controls your stress, cortisol, and energy
✔ Why your mitochondria must be fixed before adrenal recovery can work
✔ How poor gut health blocks nutrient absorption and slows healing
✔ The three stages of adrenal burnout — and how to tell which you’re in
✔ Why chronic stress, over-exercising, and stimulants can backfire
✔ How functional medicine treats adrenal fatigue when conventional doctors won’t
✔ What CIRS (chronic inflammatory response syndrome) is — and why it shuts down healing

Timestamps:

00:00 — Introduction: Why adrenal health is step five in the healing process
05:00 — Juanique’s personal adrenal burnout journey
10:00 — Understanding the HPA axis and hormone signaling
15:00 — Mindset, brainwave patterns, and stress responses
20:00 — Mitochondrial function: Why it comes before adrenal healing
25:00 — Gut health, inflammation, and nutrient absorption
30:00 — Liver detox and clearing excess cortisol
35:00 — What CIRS is and how it hijacks your body
40:00 — The three stages of adrenal fatigue (and why most doctors miss them)
50:00 — Why stimulants, caffeine, and over-exercising make burnout worse
01:00:00 — How to start rebuilding adrenal function
01:05:00 — How the Gutsy Health Academy teaches you to become your own best health advocate

Resources & Next Steps:

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Transcript

Dr Rodgers (00:00)
The adrenal glands make some sex hormones and precursors to sex hormones. So if the adrenal glands are not working, the sex hormones aren't gonna work. The same thing with the thyroid. It makes precursors and helps generate the thyroid hormones and the transition of thyroid hormones. If the adrenal glands are not working, thyroid will not work. And so you have to fix the adrenal glands first, then the thyroid, then the sex hormones.

Juanique (00:27)
Welcome to the Gutsy Health Podcast where science meets soul and healing becomes reality. I'm Juanique Grover your guide on this transformative journey to reclaiming your health, vitality and freedom. This season, we're diving deep into the order of healing, starting with mindset and working through the layers of what it truly means to heal. Each episode is designed to empower you with tools, knowledge and hope so you can become the self-healing advocate you were meant to be.

For more resources, free classes, and downloadable quizzes and guides, visit MyGutsyHealth.com. Let's rewrite the future one step, one insight, and one courageous choice at a time. Now let's get gutsy.

Hey everybody, welcome back to the Gutsy Health podcast. If you are an avid listener, I have not been podcasting. I think it's been like six weeks. Dr. Rodgers, it's been a while. And it's funny because this is adrenal month. The month of May was adrenals. I've literally been in my own adrenal crisis where so much has been happening. And first we'll start with there was summer break. So I was trying to give my undivided attention to my kids and

Dr Rodgers (01:19)
It has been.

Juanique (01:36)
Dr. Rodgers, you every time I'm on the phone, there's one or two children trying to talk to me at the same time. there's like, or there's a baby like pulling up my shirt at least exactly. Like it's nonstop. And so we had that going on. But then my head hyperbaric technician, who is also my 82 year old dad, he was riding his bike and he, has those clips. He didn't unclip his foot in time at a stop and he fell over and he broke his pelvis and like,

11 different places. for the past month, I have been running chambers at the clinic as we've been training more staff to replace him. And under the stress of like, is my dad going to make it? Is he going to live? There were a couple of days where I'm like, I think my extremely healthy 82 year old dad is not going to get past the next few months. And it was really scary. And so here I am taking his shifts, running.

this company, working in the company and on the company and try to be a mom. I was literally running ragged. And not only that, but as you know, Dr. Rodgers, we brought in Ibu now. Like we've been running ragged trying to get Ibu running. And what a big deal it is.

Dr Rodgers (02:51)
And it's such a great tool. Yes, it's so great. And then you had staff turnover on top of all that all in the same month. I know.

Juanique (03:01)
No, like it's been crazy because Taylor, who's our new nurse practitioner, she's going on maternity. So we hired a new nurse, guys, you're getting all the juice here. So then we hired a new nurse practitioner who, again, when you hire people, you can't ask them about their families, their family plans, like nothing. But this was literally going through my mind because I've hired so many pregnant women and I didn't know it. So this new nurse practitioner, you guys, this is just a little bit of like tea for you guys, but.

I'm interviewing her and she mentioned she has three kids from ages of six down. So in my head, I'm like, great, she's not due for another baby for another year or two. She was 18 weeks pregnant. I was like,

Dr Rodgers (03:41)
She's going to do a great job and with people commenting going, we're going to be just fine.

Juanique (03:45)
She's going to do an amazing job. no, no, no. I'm so excited because she is amazing. Like she is amazing. But as an owner, it's just like, dear, I did it again. You know, we have these incredible new nurse practitioners. Katie, who is my phenomenal nurse and does all the IVs. She might be moving to Texas. She's not sure, but we've had to hire two nurses to replace her to run EBU.

Dr Rodgers (04:08)
⁓ they're just great. They're going to be super for Ibu. They're really good. Absolutely.

Juanique (04:15)
They're phenomenal. Like we have all this like new incredible energy at the clinic and I truly just believe in times and seasons, you know? And so like we're just in a new time and season at the clinic with, I think we're like upgrading everything. We're just leveling up and it's been so fun. It's been so fun to see the Hyperbaric chamber is completely full. It's been fun to see people on the eBoo schedule. It's been fun to just see the new nurses just waltzing around and

It's just been fun, but it's been a lot of stress on my shoulders because of all the new transitions and the hires and the trainings and, you know, like, and trying to be a mom at the same time. just, I can't do it all. And in order to preserve my adrenals and my mental health, there are some things that have had to go in the back burner, like podcasting.

Dr Rodgers (05:03)
Absolutely. Now, just with that eBoo training, when we did that a couple of weeks ago, the people who came in for the eBoo, great, great results. I can't wait for us to talk about that in another podcast or another forum. I know. Excellent results from that.

Juanique (05:20)
It's so fun. Like, isn't it so fun? You guys, I know this isn't an Ibu podcast, but Ibu is like getting 30 ozone IVs in one session. Like, it's amazing. And I've done two already. And I just, for me, just because I'm dealing with like die-off, like I feel tired for a few days and I feel the herxing, then I feel like a million times better. Everyone's recovery and healing looks different. So if you're like, wait, why didn't I feel that energy boost?

Dr Rodgers (05:22)
Absolutely.

Juanique (05:49)
You know, it's just, again, like it's doing its job. Your body is utilizing the ozone and you're killing a bunch of stuff. Like, of course your body is going to feel a little tired, but we're talking about adrenals today and we are going to do four episodes into one episode today. This is going to be the Fast and Furious version of what you need to know about adrenals and why adrenals are step five in the order of healing.

And to be honest, I'm not sure if this episode is going to be released at the end of May or the beginning of June. So if it's the beginning of June, you guys, June is going to be a little bit of adrenals, but thyroid month. So bear with me. Thanks for, again, this is such a wild world that I get to live. And I'm so grateful that you guys are here for along for the ride. And when I have to take a pause, I just have to take a pause. And I am so grateful that you're all so gracious and you're not breathing down my neck. I'm like, that's so unprofessional because

It's just life. have to be a mom that is present for her children and present for her clinic. So there you go.

Dr Rodgers (06:50)
It's so great you're doing adrenals, thyroid and sex hormones right in a row. They all interact so well together. It's a great thing that you're doing.

Juanique (06:59)
It really is. Like we're hitting the next few months on just hormones, which is what most people struggle with. Dr. Rodgers, wouldn't you say like eight out of 10 people deal with some kind of hormone dysfunction? And it's messy. And if you understand the order of healing, it's messy because there's all of these steps that people are missing before trying to fix their hormones. So let's talk about why adrenals are step five in the order of healing.

Dr Rodgers (07:12)
Absolutely.

Juanique (07:27)
So let's talk adrenals and mindset. Dr. Rodgers, can you explain to people what the HPA axis is when it comes to adrenal function?

Dr Rodgers (07:38)
HP access, the hypothalamus, the pituitary gland and the adrenal glands all interacting with each other. The hypothalamus kind of leads what's going on. It senses what's going on in the body, tells the pituitary gland how things are going. The pituitary tells the adrenal glands how to function.

Juanique (07:58)
And I don't know if you know Dr. Josh Redd, but I remember when he was training staff at Provo Health on all the Just Ingredients products, something that he said, and I've mentioned this several times, he said, you don't have an adrenal problem, you have a brain problem, right? Because he was saying like the brain, and I'd be curious to your opinion on that. I think that's mostly true because again, if the brain doesn't feel safe, your adrenals will keep pumping stress hormone no matter what you do. And they can only pump for so long.

right until they run out of juices. So when you're in chronic survival mode, which means high beta brainwaves, and I want to talk about brainwave activity for a second. So when you're in chronic survival mode, which is high beta brainwaves, this continues the HPA axis activation. And so when your mindset determines your brainwave state, it sets the tone for your hormone signaling. I want to repeat that. Your mindset determines your brainwave state.

which sets the tone for hormone signaling. So a lot of people are like, I have an adrenal problem. It's like, well, actually you have a brain state mindset hormone signaling problem. Like it starts upstairs. It starts in the brain. Your brain is king when it comes to hormone signaling.

Dr Rodgers (09:12)
Lovely.

When your hypothalamus senses stress from all different types and it's shown in the brain waves as you just described, it can cause dysfunction later on. However, when that state sits there forever for weeks and months at a time, the adrenal glands no longer can function and it does become an adrenal problem after the brain kind of eats up all the adrenal hormone, all the nutrients for adrenals to make hormones.

They wear out and they can't do anything anymore.

Juanique (09:47)
It's like the brain telling the adrenals to go spend money. And so it's like the adrenals are like, great, how much money do you want us to spend? And the brain's like $10,000 a day. And the adrenals are like, okay, we only have $30,000, but sure, we'll do what you say. And then three days later, the brain's like, spend more money. And the adrenals like, we're actually out of money, we can't spend it. And the brain's like, I don't care, spend it anyways. And the adrenals are like, fine, we'll put it on a credit card.

And now you're using a credit card and you are creating interest. And guess what that does to your body? It puts it under an enormous amount of strain, tons of inflammation. It starts borrowing money from all of its friends, like the thyroid and the sex hormones and blood sugar dysregulation.

Dr Rodgers (10:31)
but also the cells of the body. All those nutrients have to come from somewhere. And so your cells become dysfunctional. All those things. Yes.

Juanique (10:39)
Exactly. So now you're pissing off all of the adrenals friends because they're like, hey, we've lent you all of this money and you haven't paid us back. It's extremely dysfunctional. And so yes, you have a brain problem, but it turns into complete cellular and adrenal burnout. And it's not your adrenals didn't use up all of their juices because they were dysfunctional. was the stressful state at first that then led to the dysfunction. So that's why

in the order of healing, step one mindset and nervous system safety and brainwaves, like that's a big deal. And that's why at our clinic, we work with neurofeedback a lot with people. However, there's a caveat, which I want you to talk about Dr. Rodgers, because there are times when we start neurofeedback on people and it doesn't work. And the reason why it doesn't work is because they don't have vitamins and minerals and energy

to actually balance their brain. So think of it like going to the gym, but you already ran a marathon. Your workouts at the gym are not gonna be helpful because your body is already exhausted. Like there's intelligence in trying to hit people with neurofeedback to help retrain that brainwave activity and get their body out of fight or flight. But if your body is so exhausted and is extremely depleted, you're not going to see all the wonderful benefits of neurofeedback. And a lot of those people

often have CIRS, which is what Dr. Rodgers loves to talk about.

Dr Rodgers (12:11)
Now, SERS, all those things that you just said are true, but SERS is a different caveat because SERS causes your brain to have a leaky brain. So, things get through the blood brain barrier that are not supposed to. Things leak out of the brain or leak into the brain to cause dysfunction. If that's going on, you can't do neurofeedback and have it be successful. If the body is super depleted of all its nutrients, you can't have effective neurofeedback.

Juanique (12:41)
And so that's a really big sign when we see people are not getting benefit from neuro. I would say 70 % of people, it's like a night and day difference. And then there's that 30 % where they're like, nothing is improving. And we're like, your body's extremely depleted and or you have SERS. And so we pause neuro, we work on the depletion, we try to get their mitochondrial function up, their nutrient depletion up, like all of these reserves that were emptied through chronic stress, we try to get them back up again.

or you try to reverse the serous so that their body can actually heal and stop having leaky gut, leaky brain. And then we go back to neurofeedback. And normally by that time, they're like, okay, now it's working because my body actually has the capability to fix the brain. It actually has the energy and the mitochondrial function to fix it. Again, that was a long roundabout. Remember guys, we're trying to put four episodes in one today. So that's the long story of...

how mindset is number one and why it's so important when it comes to adrenal health and function and dysfunction. So remember, your brain tells your body whether to panic or heal. If you don't rewire your mindset, the whole HPA axis stays hijacked and you'll never be able to heal your adrenals. Your adrenals will constantly be told to work in overdrive and start borrowing from all its other cellular and hormone friends to do its job. Step two.

is mitochondria. Why does mitochondria come before adrenals? Well, your adrenals can't make cortisol if your mitochondria can't make ATP. So again, think of like the bank account, the adrenals need money in order to feed itself, but also to make its hormones. And so if the brain is saying, spend $10,000 a day, the $10,000 being ATP for it to do its job, you need to make sure you have all of that energy for the adrenals to do its job.

The adrenals require an enormous amount of mitochondrial output to make hormones like cortisol, DHEA, and adrenaline. Again, if your mitochondria are underpowered, your adrenals literally don't have the energy to function. Poor mitochondrial health is poor hormone conversion and adrenal burnout.

Dr Rodgers (14:47)
You know, as you're saying that those are the main adrenal hormones and I agree with that. But in preparing for this, the adrenal glands make up to 150 hormones. They do. Yeah, they make so many things for our bodies. Most of them we are so small that we don't talk about them, but it takes energy to make each one of those. And so, yes, they deal with our blood pressure. They deal with all kinds of different things. As you said, energy.

Juanique (14:59)
no didn't know that

Dr Rodgers (15:16)
sex hormones, thyroid hormones, they deal with all those things that and so yeah, it's not just those top five, it's 150 that it's dealing with and you need a lot of energy to make them.

Juanique (15:28)
wild. A lot. I feel like the adrenals are kind of like the hormone center, like the liver is the detox center. Do know what I mean? Like they're kind of a big deal when it comes to hormones and regulation and stress management and blood pressure. And so they just, they require a lot of energy guys. So if your mitochondria are not working because you've been in a chronic state of stress and burnout, that means your adrenals are not going to work.

We're going to talk about stages one, two, and three of adrenal fatigue slash burnout. And Dr. Rodgers, when we get there, because I want to go through step three and four, but when we get there, I want to hear from you why doctors don't recognize adrenal burnout. If you go to like your mainstream doctor, they're like, adrenal burnout isn't a thing. And so I want to hear why, but let me finish these steps. Just, just hold that thought. I don't want to forget it. It's too important. Step three in the order of healing.

is gut. And so this is your absorption, this is your inflammation, this is your microbiome. Why does gut come before adrenals? Well, the gut controls nutrient absorption. And as we just learned, the adrenals require not only an enormous amount of energy from mitochondria, but vitamin C, B5, B6, magnesium, and a ton of amino acids to function. If you also have leaky gut, that means you have chronic inflammation, which means ongoing stress signals to the adrenals, which eventually damages them over time.

70 to 80 % of your immune system lives in your gut and dysbiosis drives adrenal stress. So you want to mitigate all the damage in your gut so it's not driving all of this adrenal stress. So you can't rebuild adrenal reserves without nutrients. Your gut is supposed to absorb all of these nutrients to feed to your adrenals so it can make those 150 different types of hormones. Is there anything you want to add to that Dr. Rodgers?

Dr Rodgers (17:21)
One thing is, is you talk about brain, mitochondria, gut, all of those are dysfunctional with SERS. If you don't fix the SERS, you don't fix those things. I won't go get deep into that. That's not what we're about today. But yes, you have to be able to absorb those nutrients in the gut as you're talking about, or you just don't have them there. As those nutrients are building blocks for these hormones aren't there, then the adrenal gland cannot function properly.

And you're talking about doctors, why don't they recognize things? They recognize two adrenal problems. The first is Addison's disease or no cortisol or Cushing's disease, which is way, way, way too much cortisol. We usually don't see either of those in functional medicine. But why don't doctors look at all the things in between? That's not exciting. It's not a huge problem, according to them. It's not Addison's. It's not Cushing's.

So it's not a problem. Yes, they may have chronic fatigue or some of these other things that are often looked at as ⁓ adrenal dysfunction, but they don't see them as diseases because the gland isn't way over producing or not producing at all. And so that's what they don't see that.

Juanique (18:39)
Well, and a lot of the times the solution is, well, just rest more. Don't do as much. It's always this like brushed off like, you're just a tired mom, right? And it's like, no, there's a deeper dysfunctional thing going on here. Like, I feel like I'm walking around with 50 pounds in my bones. Like I'm walking around with lead bones here.

Dr Rodgers (18:59)
They do address it in one way. They might give you Adderall or other stimulants and suggest that's the problem. But if you give stimulants when people's adrenals are not functioning properly, you just burn up the adrenals more and cause more dysfunction.

Juanique (19:08)
Interesting.

Can I say something about that? Please. my God. I'm so glad you brought up Adderall. So I was just a couple months ago diagnosed with ADHD officially. I was seeing a therapist and she was like, sound like you have ADHD. So I took a bunch of quizzes, blah, blah, blah. Anyways, long story short, I'm officially diagnosed with ADHD. I've suspected it for years, but I was like, you know what? I think I will try Adderall. So I go to my nurse practitioner, not here at Provo Health, because I feel like that's a conflict of interest.

I went to like my normal GP and it was his nurse practitioner. And I basically, was like, this is what I want to do. This is my plan. This is how I want it. Like, I only want to take it like two to three times a week because I don't want to become dependent on it, blah, blah. She's like, wow, you've really done your research. I'm like, yeah, I don't want all these nutrient deficiencies, blah, blah. She's like, great, whatever you want. I wear an oar ring right here and my readiness scores and my sleep scores were in like the mid to high eighties at this point. Like I'm feeling good. Like I've been feeling so good for a while.

After one day of Adderall, my readiness score dropped down to 50. It absolutely destroyed me. And like the thing is like, I couldn't tell just because, you know, I'm like, oh, I feel different. But if I wasn't tracking, so I was like, you know what, I'm just going to do a half a dose on Adderall the next day. It was the same thing. It was like maybe a little bit higher, but I'm like, holy cow, if people are doing this chronically,

and it's stressing their body out. Like, yes, I'm more functional, but my whole cardiovascular system, like completely tanked. Like it literally burnt my candle at both ends fast and furiously. And I was like, for a little bit more focus and production, like it's fine if my teams deal with me and I'm more scattered. They've survived seven years with me being scattered, they'll survive another seven. I'm not gonna take this stuff. Like, are doctors aware that...

This is what it's actually doing to our readiness scores and overall health.

Dr Rodgers (21:12)
Probably not. And by the way, I have a supplement that's not Adderall, that's not a stimulant, that helps with ADHD that I've had good luck with with a lot of people. We'll talk about it later. It's brand specific and that's why I'm saying that. But the stimulants can cause so many problems with the adrenal glands. And so is that coffee and tea? I don't have a study. Maybe, maybe not.

Juanique (21:24)
What is it?

Dr Rodgers (21:40)
Is it do you have to have a higher stronger stimulant like Adderall? Well, your aura ring showed that it was a big problem. And I've had issues with stimulants for a long time because they throw off the adrenal gland. You think about how the brain whips at things and when you put a stimulant in there, it's a stress on the body and then you have to make more cortisol. It throws things off.

Juanique (22:03)
And what some people were saying is like, your body gets used to it. And I'm like, ooh, like, does it really get used to it? Or do you just get used to this higher stimulate? But does that make sense? Like, does it eventually calm down? Or do your adrenals just get used to the stress?

Dr Rodgers (22:18)
Adrenals and hypothalamus get used to the stress. So yes, that happens. But that doesn't mean you're still not having problems with your adrenal glands because you end up more more tired and need the stimulant to get up in the morning. You need the stimulant to stay going throughout the day. And so it doesn't keep you awake at a late night drive, but you need it more and more in the morning to wake you up and to get moving.

Juanique (22:45)
I was like, I remember after the second time I was like, nah, I don't need this. I'm going to move on with my life. I've been fine for almost 40 years. We're good. But anyways, back to adrenals and gut health. Like it's so important to make sure you are feeding your adrenals, you're absorbing your nutrients to feed your adrenals, you're keeping, you're mitigating all of your inflammation that is caused by your gut and your microbiome so that it doesn't overstress your adrenals. And so that's why gut is number three.

And then liver is step four. And why does it come right before adrenals? Well, your liver clears excess stress hormones like cortisol and adrenaline. So if the liver is sluggish, hormones recirculate and keep the body in fight or flight. And so we just want to make sure that your liver is on board so that whatever stress hormones your adrenals do put out, they're mitigating.

Dr Rodgers (23:33)
And it's not just those stress hormones that you're talking about. That definitely does happen and is important. But other toxins in our body are going to make our adrenals toxic and not work as well. They're also going to show our brains that were stressed out with these toxins inside of us. And so it messes with our brain and brainwaves as you're talking about. And so all those other toxins, not just this adrenaline and such, need to be cleared out. But all toxins need to be cleared out from these

adrenal glands to work properly.

Juanique (24:04)
It's so interesting before doing research, and I know a lot about the human body, but I was not aware until researching for this podcast of how important it is to mitigate toxins and inflammation for adrenal health. I just thought, it's feeding your adrenals and it's like stress management, but no, the environment of your body is a huge stressor or like healer for your adrenals. It's kind of like, you know, when you plant seeds in soil,

You need the soil to have the right pH balance and vitamins and minerals in order to have your seed grow. And so in order to have your adrenals thriving in your body and doing well, you got to get rid of the toxins. You got to get rid of the inflammation. So anything that drives up inflammation and toxin burden, that's going to hurt your adrenals. So if you have energy problems and adrenal problems,

These are steps you need to look at in order to make sure that you're optimizing adrenal health, which is your energy.

Dr Rodgers (25:03)
Correct. So lot of things can mess with the adrenals, as you're saying, not having the nutrients from your gut, having too many toxins. The other thing that can mess with the adrenals is like if you're running an ultra marathon, if you're training for those things, if you're not careful as an athlete, you can mess up your adrenals and mess everything up for your training schedule and everything. So even doing something good, if you do too much of it, stresses your body and can mess up your adrenals.

and really put you in a bad problem.

Juanique (25:35)
I'm so glad you mentioned that because we talk about mental stress all the time. We talk about having boundaries. We talk about work stress, family stress, children's stress, but over-exercising is a stress. And a lot of people, I know you've had patients that come to you, we've had clients that come to coaches and they're like, I'm exercising every day and I'm putting on weight. And it's like, well, that's because your adrenals are stressed out. You're stressing out your adrenals, your cortisol is going up, your inflammation is going up, your sex hormones are going down.

so you're actually gaining weight, your body's under stress and it feels it's in this fight or fight response now. That's a huge thing. think in my opinion, it shouldn't be hard to lose weight if you have everything balanced. And so if people are having a hard time losing weight, it's because there's immense hormonal imbalance happening. You're the expert, so you could tell me if I'm right or wrong, but normally it's a...

a imbalance, a blood sugar imbalance, a cortisol imbalance, an insulin imbalance, right? ⁓

Dr Rodgers (26:34)
Why those are hormones? Exactly.

Juanique (26:36)
and they all respond to stress. So mental stress, physical stress, like you said, over-exercising, the marathons. How many women do tons of cardio and they're exhausted, but they still push through and they're gaining weight every month? The exercise isn't your friend at this point. Like it's the wrong kind of exercise. At that point, we want to de-escalate stress in the adrenals by decreasing cardio input and doing something that requires less cardio input like

weight training. A lot of people think that they need to be working out like running, running, running hard, but it's like, you know, you can actually just do weight training last times a week and get better results. Don't you think?

Dr Rodgers (27:19)
Yeah, weight training still works on a cardio quite a bit, but yes, weight training is far better for you than the cardio most of the time. However, when I'm talking to people who have these cortisol issues, these adrenal issues, one exercise I like to start them with, these are the people who are really tired, is just walking. Sometimes they can handle walking to the mailbox and back and that's it. If you can walk in nature, walk in your backyard, walk on a trail,

as long as you're not going up a mountain, those things are good when their adrenals are down. But when you're talking about people who are trying to lose weight, not only are their hormones off and that's usually the biggest problem, but then they can have other structures, other things happening in their bodies, their cells not function properly and such. And so you start with the hormones being off and then you add more more dysfunction on top of that and you have to slowly reverse all of those. But it starts with stress, I agree with you.

Juanique (28:18)
Well, and a good sign, going back to exercising stress, like if you are waking up the next day more tired, you overdid it. Like you should feel, or maybe you have a different gauge, but when I'm talking to people about their exercise, I'm like, hey, are you like exhausted the day of exercising and it takes you a day or two to recover? And they're like, yes, my gosh. I'm like, then it's too hard. Like you shouldn't have that extreme fatigue. Like there should actually be an upper.

to your exercising. It should actually give you a little bit of a boost.

Dr Rodgers (28:50)
I agree completely with you. Either they're over-exercising, which happens a ton, or they have CIRS. One of those two things are happening. I tell my patients with exercise, if what you did today, you cannot repeat tomorrow, you did too much today. It's the same thing as you're saying. They wake up tired, they exercise too much.

Juanique (29:07)
a good game.

Before I get to the three stages of adrenals, because now we're at step five and we'll talk about why it comes before thyroid and sex hormones, but I want to actually talk about CIRS because there are a few really important things. Now that people understand step one through five in the order of healing, what CIRS does is it throws a wrench in everything. When someone is exposed to mold or Lyme or some kind of infection and you can go deeper into it, it does...

One, it does three things. It creates leaky brain, leaky gut, and mitochondrial dysfunction, which is pretty much step one, two, and three in the order of healing. So it throws a wrench in that. And you've mentioned how you can do all the gut healing protocols and all the things, but unless you fix the CIRS, you're not going to fix the gut, you're not going to fix the brain, you're not going to fix the adrenals or the mitochondria. Sorry. You're not going to fix the brain, the gut, and the mitochondrial function.

Please explain to us when someone's CIRS gene is turned on, what is happening to those three areas?

Dr Rodgers (30:16)
Well, it's also inflammation and immune system too. So we really have five areas. What happens is the innate immune system, the general immune system that will attack everything starts going in hyperdrive. And when that happens, it causes inflammation, it causes immune dysfunction. The antibodies are not created and it does not turn that off. Is that innate immune system keeps on going in overdrive?

The mitochondria change from making energy, one unit of glucose making 36 units of energy, down to battleships where they're trying to assist the innate immune system in killing whatever they think is going on. And they go from one unit of glucose to making only two units of energy in this battleship formation. When this happens, neuropeptides in the brain go wild, causing this leaky brain, leaky gut, breathing issues, muscle pain.

all kinds of inflammation and other issues.

Juanique (31:17)
I want to just let everyone know when you go from, did you say 26 or 36? So when you go from 36 to two molecules of ATP, that's something like a 92 % decrease in energy production. Like that's huge. Can you imagine having a 92 to 96 % energy reduction? So you see your friends out drinking soda, having a great time.

Dr Rodgers (31:22)
36.

Juanique (31:44)
doing their things, hiking, and you're eating as clean as can be. You're taking all the supplements, you're doing all the treatments, and you can barely get out of bed. There's a reason why that's happening. There's a reason why your friend over there is drinking her soda-licious, and you're taking all these supplements and you're stuck in bed while they're doing their thing. Your mitochondria are literally signaled to not make energy and to be in this like fight or flight state. And so your immune system is hijacked. Your brain is not.

balance properly and it's leaky. Your gut is leaky. You can do all the healing modalities, but until you switch this gene off, which is telling your body to do these things, you're not going to get very far. so Dr. Rodgers, I've seen, I know this is an adrenal podcast, but it's so important because this has everything to do with energy. Adrenals have everything to do with energy and, you know, energy production. I have seen

you take patients, put them on protocols and they finally start getting better because you are helping their body assist with the CIRS toxin detoxification where it's like, things are finally moving. Like things are finally working. I've seen you take a lot of patients that are at other doctors who were taking like 30 supplements and now they're just taking three and they're seeing improvements. And they were like so overwhelmed.

because they were using supplements to just get through, right? They were using supplements to act in place of their adrenals, to act in place of their mitochondria, to act in place of their brain function. And you take them off of that and you just put them on this like toxin binder and they're like, man, I actually feel a lot better just getting rid of toxins in my body that aren't supposed to be there. It's really simple. And people are far less overwhelmed taking three supplements versus 30. It's really remarkable. And so you guys,

getting, it's interesting because I think a lot of people that have CIRS and don't realize they have CIRS are very drawn to Provo Health because we're like their last resort. And it just so happens that we found a doctor who's a CIRS expert and is like, this sounds like CIRS. And so it's, it is important if you've tried everything and you're dealing with extreme chronic fatigue and like these extreme like health conditions, you could have CIRS. So please look into it.

Dr Rodgers (34:02)
Right, you.

Juanique (34:02)
You could

be doing everything in the order of healing and it's not working. And if it's not working, it could be CIRS. So look into that. Like schedule with Dr. Rodgers, just take his little screener, do his blood test and just confirm it. Just double check.

Dr Rodgers (34:18)
And to go along with what you're saying, the first thing we want to do is get rid of the CIRS toxins. So we use a special binder for that. There's a lot of great functional medicine binders that work great for so many things, but they don't work well for CIRS. So we use a specific binder for CIRS. And then after the toxins are coming down, then step four in fixing CIRS is taking care of the gut, just like we come back to that.

Step five is fixing hormones. So, we start out with the adrenal glands just like you're saying. So, it's not that we don't take care of them, we got to take care of the serotoxins first. Then we take care of the adrenal glands, the thyroid, and the sex hormones. And then in step six, there's often a hormone that's off, antidiuretic hormone, that messes with your... If you don't have antidiuretic hormone, you end up going to the bathroom 20 times a day.

and if you're running to the bathroom, we fix that. And so we are fixing these things after we get rid of this CIRS toxin. We often have people doing the neurofeedback once they start getting rid of their CIRS toxins and it starts to work again. And so we've had a lot of success with that.

Juanique (35:34)
And I love that it's like, it starts to work again. Like it's as easy as that. It's like, ⁓ I remember my body doing this before, you know, like I don't want to oversimplify it, but it really can. Just like, just finding one little piece of the puzzle can change everything for you. And so let's talk about why adrenals come before thyroid and sex hormones. Dr. Rodgers, what I have in my notes here is adrenals regulate thyroid conversion. So cortisol influences the enzymes that convert

T4 into active T3. So, if cortisol is high or too high, your thyroid function actually drops. So, it doesn't convert in the liver to T3. So, it's so important to have optimal stress and adrenal health so that you can have that proper conversion of thyroid hormone. Is there anything that you want to add as far as adrenals and thyroid function goes?

Dr Rodgers (36:24)
Absolutely. The whole thing when you're dealing with hormones, whether it be adrenals, cortisol, thyroid, sex hormones, insulin, ADH, any of these hormones is balance. You want to have the correct proper balance. And that's what hormones are all about. I have learned not only through seminars and such, but through actual practice. If you do not fix the adrenals,

The thyroid and the sex hormones can never be fixed. The adrenal glands make ⁓ sex hormones, make some sex hormones and precursors to sex hormones. So if the adrenal glands are not working, the sex hormones aren't gonna work. The same thing with the thyroid. It makes precursors and helps generate the thyroid hormones and the transition of thyroid hormones. If the adrenal glands are not working, thyroid will not work. And so you have to fix the adrenal glands first.

then the thyroid, then the sex hormones.

Juanique (37:25)
want to talk about the cortisol steal really fast because when it comes to adrenals and it comes to sex hormones, I like to teach people this, that you can't create humans and run from a bear at the same time. So what does that mean? When it comes to hormones and the hormone symphony, your body will always prioritize safety and survival over procreation. So imagine a teeter totter, the toy that your kids play on all the time.

Imagine cortisol is on one side, one seat and sex hormones are on the other. So, we'll talk about pregnant alone. So, pregnant alone is on one side and cortisol is on the other. If cortisol goes up on that seat or totter, pregnant alone is going to go down. So, cortisol production goes up. Adrenals are making more cortisol than pregnant alone, the precursor to all your sex hormones. So, now sex hormone production goes down.

Dr Rodgers (38:18)
I'm going to interrupt you here.

Juanique (38:19)
Yes,

yes, please do, because you're the expert.

Dr Rodgers (38:22)
Pregnenolone is a precursor to all of those. It starts at cortisol, then pregnenolone. It's the master hormone. It's before everything. The cortisol steel happens because DHEA, which is a little bit further down than pregnenolone, the DHEA is a precursor to both cortisol and to testosterone. So the Teter-Totter is not...

Juanique (38:51)
further down.

Dr Rodgers (38:52)
It's the testosterone and the cortisol. And if you are running from a bear, your body does not want to make the testosterone. It needs to make the cortisol so that you run. And so if you have low testosterone, it may be because your adrenal glands took all the DHEA as a precursor to making the cortisol and then it uses it all up and you don't have either is what really happens.

Juanique (39:19)
Isn't that true for estrogen and progesterone as well and testosterone because it's the DHEA's the precursor to all of those.

Dr Rodgers (39:26)
The DHEA is the precursor to testosterone and estrogen because estrogen is made from testosterone. Progesterone is a little bit earlier on in that.

Juanique (39:38)
That's why you're the hormone expert. They're all just kind of in the same world for me, but you know the specific conversion. So I'm glad you're here to correct me. So you heard it straight from the doctor. You can't produce proper sex hormones if your cortisol is high.

Dr Rodgers (39:54)
Exactly. I completely agree. But now let's say that you use up all your DHEA making cortisol. Well, that's going to lower all the other hormones down the stream and upstream because everything will be used up. So in effect, yes, the progesterone and the pregnenolone will get used up, but it's usually with cortisol seal, it's testosterone and cortisol that they're talking about.

Juanique (40:19)
There you go, straight from the horse's mouth. So basically, again, we can't have high cortisol in a functioning hormone symphony. If you want healthy hormones, if you want healthy sex hormones, healthy libido, healthy brain function, healthy testosterone thyroid function, you have to have adrenals that work. And the way you have adrenals that work is that you have a body that's low in inflammation, low in toxins, high in nutrients,

high in mitochondrial function. And you have a mindset that is signaling healthy beta waves, which are telling the HPA axis to signal the adrenals in a healthy way. So that is your Adrenals 101. Let's talk about stages one, two, and three of adrenal burnout. We already spoke about how doctors don't really recognize stages one, two, and three of adrenal burnout. If you go to your doctor and you're like, doctor, think, because after this podcast, you guys are going to

be really well-versed with stage one, two, and three and potentially self-diagnose which stage you're in. And then you might go to your doctor and be like, doctor, I think I'm in stage two of adrenal burnout. And they're gonna be like, there's no such thing as stage two of adrenal burnout. You've been listening to those quacks on the Instagrams and whatnot. And so you're just gonna have to find a doctor that is more literate. So Dr. Rodgers, talk to us about what stage one adrenal burnout looks like.

Dr Rodgers (41:45)
Stage one is we have the acute stress. It causes our adrenal glands to produce more cortisol and so the cortisol goes high. It makes it hard for us to get enough sleep. We feel ⁓ agitated and anxious all the time. We've got too much cortisol running in our body and it stays that way for a little bit but eventually the body can't do that. So stage two starts.

Juanique (42:11)
Before you talk about stage two, I want people to envision like a speedy sports car. It looks sleek and wonderful and it's going zoom down the road at like a million miles an hour, right? These are people that are like type A personalities. They're go, go, go, go. They're drinking caffeine. They're feeling amazing. They're hitting their pre-workout. They're going to the gym. It's it's nonstop. They're like high functioning. Like your cortisol, if you were doing like a spit test, your cortisol would be super high across the board, like high cortisol.

Dr Rodgers (42:40)
They may look like they're high functioning, but they're not. Inside, they're anxious, they're worried, their heart rate is too high. They don't feel good, but they look good.

Juanique (42:43)
they're not.

and they're glorified for it. Like how many ones like, my gosh, you do so much. Like you're amazing. And we're like, thanks, I'm dying on the inside, but thank you. So that's stage one. Again, think of the sports car. Stage two, I want you to describe it, but I want everyone to envision like the mom minivan that's like needing repairs. What does stage two look like?

Dr Rodgers (43:15)
So stage two is a transition stage with our cortisol going too high. Now there's a transition from going too high to not enough cortisol. And in the middle there, everything looks great and perfect and normal like a brand new minivan, but the engine's not working so good. And during this transition stage, the labs may be fine. You may feel okay, but things aren't quite right here.

because you're losing your cortisol, you're more more tired, you're more and more dysfunctional.

Juanique (43:49)
You're using caffeine to get you through. So you might wake up in the morning and you're like, ugh, I need my cup of coffee. How many people are like, I need my coffee, I need my pre-workout, I need my matcha, I need something to... Or your diet coke to like get you to wake up. Your eight to 10 hours of sleeping didn't do the trick and now your brain's like, blah, I need to function. So now you're drinking caffeine, you're getting kids out the door, maybe you're skipping a meal.

Dr Rodgers (44:02)
or your diet coke.

Juanique (44:18)
And by like noon, you're going for your second cup. Like caffeine is getting you through the day. You are pushing through your workouts. This is like when you're working out and you're feeling more tired after your workout, but you still show up anyways, because that's what we're supposed to do. And I put that in air quotes.

Dr Rodgers (44:33)
Also, these people are the ones who are going to take a nap when the kids are at school. So nobody sees them taking a nap, but they take this extra rest when they can get it.

Juanique (44:44)
So you're taking naps, you're barely getting through, caffeine is getting you through. Caffeine still works at this point. So lucky you. Now let's talk about stage three of adrenal burnout. Dr. Rodgers, what does that look like?

Dr Rodgers (44:56)
Stage three, you don't have cortisol anymore. Cortisol is what wakes you up and gets you out of the bed in the morning. So the bed monster is grabbing you, holding you tight. You cannot get out of bed. You get the kids out to school. Sometimes you have to get the carpool to take them because you don't want to drive or you get there but you don't get dressed. You're driving in your bathrobe and your pajamas and you come home, you're sleeping, you do the best you can.

and you just don't have the energy for anything.

Juanique (45:28)
And like naps don't even help. I took a nap and I feel more tired. I'm drinking caffeine and it's making me more tired. Like I'm trying all the things and I'm just more tired. I can't remember sentences. My hormones are off. My periods are terrible. I'm crabby all the time. I can't remember who I was. I can't remember my children's names. Like you're so exhausted.

Dr Rodgers (45:50)
Exactly. And on top of this, because the body is trying to get you to get up and move, your sympathetic nervous system is going out of control, causing anxiety and such, but your body can't respond to that. And so it's a terrible situation to be in.

Juanique (46:08)
It's awful. I want to quickly go back to stage two of adrenal burnout because there's this weird phenomenon. I would like you to explain it to everyone where in stage two, your cortisol kind of bottoms out, caffeine kind of gets you through, but you're tired. But we get our second wind or maybe it's even our first wind at nighttime. Why does that happen where cortisol actually goes up at night? It's like, it's almost like our cortisol rhythm switched. And now at nighttime, we're like, man, I have all this energy. I'm going to start working on projects.

Dr Rodgers (46:38)
That's correct. You have a little wind for a couple hours when you're supposed to be going to bed, but cortisol is still there. The reason is, our hormones are supposed to be cyclic. You have cortisol going up in the morning to get you up and then it's gone at night. But the adrenal glands don't know what in the world they're doing anymore. They don't know how to listen to the hypothalamus or the pituitary. So you've got hormone peaks, cortisol peaks at weird times.

up and down and so it's not regulated and that's what's going on.

Juanique (47:13)
Do what's interesting is when it comes to neurofeedback, one of the first protocols we do is the sleep protocol because people are like, I can't sleep anymore. It's like their brains have forgotten how to relax. And so when you're saying like the adrenals aren't listening to the brain, I also think the brain is also signaling and balance. Like the brain is forgetting how to relax or the brain is finally like turning on at night, which causes people to not sleep.

So when we can actually like train those beta waves down and get people to sleep, then that signal to the adrenals to bring cortisol down comes down too. And so then their hormone signaling starts to flip again, which is why I love neurofeedback. But anyways, I should just do like a whole podcast series on neurofeedback because I love neuro, but that's for another year.

Dr Rodgers (48:02)
Both those things happen because the brain waves that help you to relax and go to sleep are off. But there is elevated cortisol at the same time. The body needs to be trained in both.

Juanique (48:13)
So which stage are you in? Stage one, two or three? A lot of people will actually say I'm in between one and two or I'm in between two and three. One thing to note, when you are in stage one, it's easy to get out of stage one and go back to balance because you have reserves. But the further you get into stage two and three, the harder and the longer it's gonna take to heal your body. It's not impossible. It can be done, but it's just...

harder because your body is running out. Remember how we spoke about the bank account? It's spent all of its money and it's been borrowing money from its friends now and it's in severe debt. So how big is your debt? Is it a few million dollars? Is it a few hundred million dollars? Like that matters. Like when you're in stage three, you're a few hundred million dollars in debt. And so apparently you have very rich friends and you're borrowing a lot of money. So it just takes a lot more time and energy. So

Obviously, the bigger your debt, the more work you have to put in to pay it back. And so that's the same with your body. When you're in stage three adrenal burnout, your debt is so immense, it's going to take a lot of work to pay it off.

Dr Rodgers (49:23)
The interesting thing is you talk about debt. Well, usually if we're not much debt, we just declare bankruptcy and we try to start over. But you can't do that with the adrenal glands. You cannot declare bankruptcy. The interesting thing is, is stage one, you can reverse that in six months. Stage two, six months to a year, maybe a little bit more. But when you're in stage three, it can take up to two or three years.

to pay back the debt and to get things normalized again. But it can happen.

Juanique (49:56)
It requires an enormous lifestyle makeover. And that sounds scary and daunting, but it's actually not that hard. So I want to give a plug to the Get's Academy right now, because this is exactly what we do. We teach people how to become self-healing advocates. What do we do at Provo Health Clinic? We provide services and tools to help people return their bodies back to homeostasis. Healing happens all the time. Like Dr. Rodgers sees it, I see it. And so

If you are in that adrenal deficit where you're in like stage three or stage two and you're like, man, I have tried everything and nothing's working. I promise you it's because there are some stones that haven't been unturned. So what are your options right now? Well, one, you can get on my Guzzi Academy wait list. My Academy is open for enrollment in August and we start school in September. And it's going to be eight months where I teach you how to become your best self-healing advocate. I teach you all the tricks and tools. I teach you mindset.

I teach you mitochondria, gut healing protocols. Like everything that I have learned, I teach to you. I teach you how to become me basically, but for yourself. Because I feel like everyone deserves information over their bodies that empowers them on how to heal themselves. We can't rely on our doctors all the time. As much as I love Dr. Rodgers, I try to bug him as little as possible with my health questions. But occasionally I need to reach out to him and ask him about something, right? And so

It's beautiful that I live in a world where I can just reach out to the doctor. But I know for listeners, you guys can't do that. But when you join the academy, you can because every week I am answering your questions. I am helping guide you. I am giving you things to work on and practice on and to implement in your own personal healing journeys. At the same time, you are learning everything, not everything, but you're learning the majority of what you need to understand about your bodies to help become a self healer.

because you are entitled to that information. Gone are the days where we depend on our doctors to fix us. Like, sorry, Dr. Rodgers, no offense. But as you know, our medical system is broken and it actually doesn't help us. And we need a revolution.

Dr Rodgers (52:08)
Let me just interject. I agree with what you're saying. I think I would love all the people to be empowered and how to take care of their health. But there are times when you have to have the doctor and in this clinic that most of the time is CIRS and they need help getting that CIRS turned around. Once that's turned around, doing all these things that you're talking about in your academy works great.

Juanique (52:30)
A hundred million percent. You know, I have my coaching program right now where I have, I think there's like 35 people enrolled where we meet twice a month. I can't tell you how many of these people have CIRS and they actually all, like most of them have come to see you and they're getting help. But it's so important when there's something that's happening in your life where you don't know how to unpack it. You can't just schedule with your doctor and pick their brain. It's so nice to have a coach like myself that can be like, Hey,

Why don't you look into this or hey, why don't you do this? Or hey, I'm bringing Dr. Rodgers in on the group, ask him your questions and then that helps you empower you with more information to go down roads that are actually helpful for you versus getting lost in the sea of information. So join my wait list. If you are like, this is my year to heal. I wanna be a more healed person a year from today. I don't wanna regret not taking a ginormous step towards healing.

join my wait list and you'll get early access to some of my courses even before my course starts. If you wanna join the wait list, click the link in my show notes. However, if you have been dealing with severe health issues for a long time and you need some big guns like Dr. Rodgers, like Ibu, like Hyperbaric to restore your body, because my goodness, when I was sick three years ago, even though I was my own health coach,

I don't think I could have gotten through without those treatments and without some people that were smarter than me. And Dr. Rodgers, you have helped me tremendously as it is with a lot of my co-infection stuff. But if it weren't for these therapies, I think my healing journey would have taken years versus months, like potentially a decade, right, of this slow burn healing. And so if you are struggling and you are ready for radical healing, you want the...

Heal fast membership or you want Dr. Rodgers on your team to really help you get to the root cause of what is causing your illness, which could be CIRS, which needs to be turned off in order for you to gain momentum in your healing. Reach out to Provo Health, call 801-691-1765 because healing does happen. We see it all the time. I think working at Provo Health is so cool, Dr. Rodgers.

Dr Rodgers (54:49)
⁓ absolutely because we

Juanique (54:51)
We

just see the most miraculous things. Like, people get better all the time.

Dr Rodgers (54:56)
Absolutely, they do. Well, some of it is the people that we have working here who know how to work with these type of situations. We've got the right equipment. We've got the HBOT. We've got the eBoo. We've got all kinds of other things that we're doing. We have plans for other things in the future that are helping with this. It's such a great healing location.

Juanique (55:17)
It really is. It's so fun. It's fun to see people, like for instance, there's, I will share her story on Instagram, but if you miss it, we have a patient who was diagnosed with a certain cancer in her uterus and she just put herself in her own supplements and you know, like her own diet and whatnot, but she's been doing hyperbaric three times a week, hock it three times a week, iron foot cleanse three times a week and her cancer margins halved in like two to three months.

She went from diabetic to non-diabetic to perfect blood work, perfect cholesterol, like all of these things. She's just so chuffed with herself, right? Like it's so cool because everything works, like it works. And if you find that you are stuck and you just need to get over the hump and you're tired of doing the dance from doctor to doctor and the medical merry-go-round, allow Prova Health to be the last place you try because people like Dr. Rodgers can really help you find answers.

And we have some pretty cool big guns that really help move the needle. Sometimes your inflammation, your infection load, your pathogen load, it is so high and your inflammation is running rampant that we need the big guns to just slow things down. Like diet and supplements just won't do it, right? You need the CIRS protocol to help turn your body back on and heal again. Healing is possible. You just need to try the right things in the right order. And Dr. Rodgers is here to help you.

I'm here to help you with that in the Getzi Academy. You have options. Let this be your healing era. Let this be your year where you start to finally see the needle moving. can like, let us help you if you are ready to radically change your health and your healing in your life because you deserve a life that is full of energy, a life where you feel mentally sound. I know this sounds crazy, but when I was sick,

I was also so depressed and I just didn't feel like I could be there for my children. So if you are like that mom that's like, man, my children deserve better. I said that about myself almost daily for months, maybe a year, whereas like my children deserve better. Like they deserve the mom that was mentally here, physically here, emotionally here, right? I truly believe that we are here to live our best lives and your body isn't betraying you. It's just trying to bring you back to homeostasis and like oneness.

there's a pathway towards that homeostasis and oneness. So let us help you get there if you feel like you're stuck. Dr. Rodgers, is there anything else you want to say before we wrap up this episode on adrenals?

Dr Rodgers (57:53)
things, you talk about being the best mother, but we want to truly be the best selves, our best selves. And that's where we want to be. And we do that with so many different things, neurofeedback and all these things. We teach diet, we teach supplements, we teach mindset. We teach all these things to help people to learn how to help themselves. The whole idea is for people to get better and then to not need us anymore.

Juanique (58:23)
So if you need help, reach out to us and we will be happy to be your cheerleaders. Dr. Rodgers, thank you so much for coming on today. I really appreciate your time. I know you're so busy. Listeners, we will catch you next week. I promise I'm back podcasting at least for the next few months or at least let's hope my mom doesn't break her hip. She actually had, do you guys know if you don't follow me on Instagram, it's been a big year. She had cancer removed from her lung in February.

Dr Rodgers (58:32)
Well, thanks for inviting me.

Juanique (58:53)
It's been a really stressful year. So you guys, thank you for bearing with me as I've been on off with podcasting. I promise I'm trying to come back more consistently now. So next week we'll be talking about thyroid. Dr. Rodgers, hopefully you'll be joining me with that one because you are the thyroid king I hear. So you're actually the hormone king. Like everyone just like dotes on how you help them with their hormones. I can't wait for you to do my hormones when I'm done breastfeeding. So we'll catch you guys next week where we talk about thyroid and thyroid health. So

Stay tuned. Thanks, listeners.