Get excited for a sneak peek into Suzanne Alexander’s upcoming Pacific Islands Research Expedition 2023!
Welcome to a riveting conversation with the esteemed Suzanne Alexander, a multi-award-winning educator, health and nutrition researcher, and co-author The Ancestral Diet Revolution: How Vegetable Oils and Processed Foods Destroy Our Health- and How to Recover! with renowned physician, author, nutrition researcher, and speaker Dr. Chris Knobbe, MD, who we have hosed on our show twice, first on episode 73, and more recently on episode 459 to discuss their amazing book.
Suzanne’s journey is a fascinating one. From her childhood tomboy days, to participating in the Miss America pageant, transitioning from a vegan to a raw vegan, and finally gravitating towards a carnivorous diet, Suzanne’s life is a testament to constant learning and evolving.
Suzanne brings to light her own remarkable physical and mental transformations, crediting her interactions with former guest and oxalate expert Sally Norton and Dr. Paul Saladino as instrumental in her health journey. We explore and challenge the concepts of sentience, the cycle of life, and our connection with the earth, offering a unique perspective on where to draw the line.
To wrap things up, we take a look at Suzanne’s ground-breaking research on the impact of seed oils and the substantial health difference when eliminated from diets. Our discussion also focuses on the impact of traditional and ancestral diets on health, the dangers of processed foods, and the urgent need for a health revolution. So join us, to gain some powerful insights and perhaps a fresh perspective on health and wellness!
Find Suzanne at-
IG- @ancestoralhealthfoundation
Amazon- The Ancestorial Diet Revolution
https://www.cureamd.org/
YT- @chrisknobbemd
How It's Made - Canola Oil! UNBELIVABLY DISGUSTING.
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Get excited for a sneak peek into Suzanne Alexander’s upcoming Pacific Islands Research Expedition 2023!
Welcome to a riveting conversation with the esteemed Suzanne Alexander, a multi-award-winning educator, health and nutrition researcher, and co-author The Ancestral Diet Revolution: How Vegetable Oils and Processed Foods Destroy Our Health- and How to Recover! with renowned physician, author, nutrition researcher, and speaker Dr. Chris Knobbe, MD, who we have hosed on our show twice, first on episode 73, and more recently on episode 459 to discuss their amazing book.
Suzanne’s journey is a fascinating one. From her childhood tomboy days, to participating in the Miss America pageant, transitioning from a vegan to a raw vegan, and finally gravitating towards a carnivorous diet, Suzanne’s life is a testament to constant learning and evolving.
Suzanne brings to light her own remarkable physical and mental transformations, crediting her interactions with former guest and oxalate expert Sally Norton and Dr. Paul Saladino as instrumental in her health journey. We explore and challenge the concepts of sentience, the cycle of life, and our connection with the earth, offering a unique perspective on where to draw the line.
To wrap things up, we take a look at Suzanne’s ground-breaking research on the impact of seed oils and the substantial health difference when eliminated from diets. Our discussion also focuses on the impact of traditional and ancestral diets on health, the dangers of processed foods, and the urgent need for a health revolution. So join us, to gain some powerful insights and perhaps a fresh perspective on health and wellness!
Find Suzanne at-
IG- @ancestoralhealthfoundation
Amazon- The Ancestorial Diet Revolution
https://www.cureamd.org/
YT- @chrisknobbemd
How It's Made - Canola Oil! UNBELIVABLY DISGUSTING.
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Hello and welcome to another episode of Boundless Body Radio. I'm your host, Casey Ruff, and today we have another amazing guest to introduce you now. Suzanne Alexander is a multi-award-winning educator with over 30 years of experience in the classroom. She is a highly accomplished health and nutrition researcher with over 40 years of research to her credit.
Speaker 1:Suzanne is the co-author and editor of the newly released book the Ancestral Diet Revolution, along with renowned physician, author, nutrition researcher and speaker, Dr Chris Kenobi, who we have hosted on our show twice, first on episode 73 and more recently on episode 459, to discuss their amazing book. Suze is also the executive director of public relations and philanthropy at the Ancestral Health Foundation and the Cure MD Foundation, Both nonprofit organizations, were neither she nor Dr Kenobi accept any compensation for their work. Wow. Suzanne's ultimate purpose is to share her findings and to save as many people as possible from the suffering she's all witnessed individually, within her family, with her clients, and also observed nationally, internationally and globally. Suzanne, a single parent, is the proud mother of two beautiful daughters, Alexandra and Roxanna, and grandmother to Precious Claire. Suze Alexander, what an absolute honor it is to welcome you to Bellamy's Body Radio.
Speaker 2:Casey, thank you. Oh, I'm just so thrilled to be here. I can't thank you enough for all that you do for us. You're such a great supporter for our mission and you're just a blessing. Thank you.
Speaker 1:I just I can't thank you both enough for the work that you guys do. Meeting Chris in person and the weekend that the world blew up in 2020 at Low Carb, denver, was absolutely amazing. Learning from him that he was not a very good public speaker was such a shock to me, because he is now an amazing public speaker and he feels so strongly about this message that he, by his own claim, went from the worst public speaker ever to what I would consider one of the best. He is absolutely amazing at presenting this information. It meant so much to him to share this message that he had to learn how to public speak. It's incredible.
Speaker 2:Yes, I mean he's brilliant and I'm in awe of him because I'm a performer, I was an opera singer and I just the way he just lights up on the stage and he's just everything. He's just incredible. He's amazing.
Speaker 1:He is incredible. Yeah, I just got to see him also at the Metabolic Health Symposium in San Diego. He made another amazing presentation and you know you are also the co-author of the book the Ancestral Diet Revolution, which is amazing. It's a beautiful book and I mean that in all senses. All the content is amazing, the book itself exactly. I know you got it. I've got it right here. Yeah, the hardcover is incredible. You are total proof that the talents are not evenly distributed amongst all of us. You were in beauty pageants, You've been in opera, singing, you're writing books, you're researching things. You have so much going on more than the rest of us, I would say.
Speaker 2:Thank you. My father always said to me you know, you set your goals high and he says, if you can make it halfway, he says, then you've been at success. And so as a little girl, you know, at three years old, I just, my parents are very musically inclined and my father was getting his doctorate at Columbia University and we would always go to see operas and ballet and Broadway and opera, just, it was just. Every cell of my body was just, oh my godly, it was just so spectacular and that's all I heard in my head was opera. So it was very hard for me to learn. It's part of the ADHD that I have, but it was just like all I could, I just could only hear music. I didn't want to hear the teacher, I could only hear music and anyway. So, yeah, that was kind of got me going.
Speaker 2:And then, of course, my father was the one. My father was a huge piece of my life, of course, but, and he was the one that got me into the pageants, because I was a tomboy, you could just find me climbing trees and hanging from trees and doing most of what boys do. And he came to me when I was 17 and he says you have two options. I said what? And he goes you're either going to get a job this summer or you're going to enter a pageant. Because he was in the Lions Club. And he says and we want to sponsor you.
Speaker 2:And here I've never wore a stitch of makeup, my hair was down to my thighs, I was really wore hiking boots, flannel shirts, big farmer pants. And I said what? And he goes no, we know your voice, your voice, you'll win. I said but I don't want to be in a pageant, that's just not me, but anyway, it's. The one thing led to another and I and I thought, well, I said you're really mean, I don't have to get a job. And he said no. I said but what if I don't win? And he said I said does it mean I still don't have to get a job? I can just hang out. And he goes right, I know I'm not going to win, so I'll do it, but I ended up winning. And then I kept going on and on and went up to the Miss America pageant and things like that?
Speaker 1:That's amazing. So you were Miss New York, I believe. Is that correct?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was Miss New York State and then I went talent in the top 10 of Miss America and it was. It was exciting. What was that like? It was really? That was for me it was so different because I didn't belong. I just didn't belong there. And it was of course I was winning all the awards.
Speaker 2:For, you know, because I was so down to earth, I was so different and all the people, the PR guys, all the newspaper guys, were writing and they were just saying you know, you just you're so different, you just you're such a breath of fresh air, you're not the typical person. And I said, well, I kind of think myself as being like an undercover reporter. I'm just here and then all of a sudden, that Miss Congeniality movie comes out. I'm thinking that was still like me, you know. And you know, I was really just backstage, just learning and watching and just astounded by how some of them this was their life. I mean, they just they just lived and breathed it. And I remember Miss I think it was Miss Illinois, she was an opera singer and she was getting her doctorate and she asked me if I could coach her. And I'm like you're getting your doctorate, I'm still working on my bachelor's. You know opera, and so I was working backstage and then the media got ahold of it and you're like you're helping another contestant, and I said, well, absolutely. I said we're all here to help people, you know. And they said but don't you want to help her to be better? Oh no, no, I said I'm not here to win, I'm just here to just follow God's path, you know. So that was. It was really interesting, but I learned it's always learning experience. And then after that, then I got into modeling and Beverly Sills heard me sing. She was my idol, she was one of the most you know the divas of the day, and she was the head of the New York City Opera Company, and so she took me under her wing and that's how I got there. And there was a Montreal Opera Company. I was all over and it was really exciting to live that kind of life.
Speaker 2:But then, casey, we would go into schools and we would perform operas and teach them in operas, and we were the touring company and I was just in awe of the children, the energy that you get from the children. And I went home, I called my parents and I said I don't think I belong in performance and all this money and all this glamour and all this, it wasn't me. It just wasn't me. And they're like what? You're going to give it all up? And I said I think I'm going to go back to school and become a teacher. And so that's what I did.
Speaker 2:So for over 30 years I taught in classrooms and in the meantime, casey, as a little girl and this is a long, I'm trying to talk as fast as I normally do my father was also. He was, you know, the district principal of all our schools and but he also, on the side, was a wildlife rehabilitation person, a specialist. And so whenever wild animals in the area, mostly the babies, if a mom, a mother who had gotten killed by cars and so forth, people would bring the babies to us, the little babies, and we raised them. And so, from a little tiny girl and I had struggled with horrible, horrible health issues, as did my dad. I inherited most of them and in watching them, as a five-year-old little girl, he would say to me bring home from the library whatever animal we have, whether it's a raccoon or a fox or a skunk or a deer, whatever they were, bring home a book about their habitat, in their species-specific diet, and I would sit on his lap and he would read to me until I could finally learn to read, and we would talk about their food and everything, and we would make sure, because eventually, when they were old enough, we'd have to put them back into the wild and we had to teach them. And so I was in awe, because here I'm so sick, my father is so sick, but these animals were thriving and their food was different than ours. Their food was all from the earth. I would go down to the stream with the raccoons and they would aggressively grab a frog or a crayfish or whatever and they would just devour them and I would just watch them, or they would find berries, whatever they would find, and I thought their lifestyle is so different, the way they live is so different, and I wanted to be like them and I became a little wild animal and they were my best friends. I learned their language and they learned mine and they taught me how to climb trees and I was with them constantly.
Speaker 2:And from through there I said to my father I found my first hypothesis around 10. And I said, dad, do you think that? What animals are food? Do you think that that's causing us to be ill? And he's like what do you mean? And I said we're so sick all the time. I said every time I eat I'm on the floor in pain. I said you're sick all the time. You've got migraines. I said you're the doctors all the time. We're both at the doctors all the time because we're really constipated or we have this awful pain. And he had a hybalohernia and I didn't know at that time. I also did too, because that early at my age and I didn't know I was also celiac. Most likely he was as well. It was just constant. We were just in such pain. And he said I never thought about that Seuss. And so I started really investigating this, thinking well, if it's our food, then why are we eating this like kept in crunch for breakfast? Why are we having tang? I don't know if you even know what tang is.
Speaker 2:Back in my day I remember tang Lugla jar powder and you put it into water and that was your juice. Everything was just so processed and I realized I've got to do something about this. And so, finally, when I was around 20, around the pageant days, I started taking things out of my diet. And that's where I started realizing every time I was taking something out, it was dairy was the first thing, and then meat, of course. I was on the. I became a vegan and then became a raw vegan, which got him a voice.
Speaker 2:So for the first 25 years of being a vegan, I felt great. I mean, I really did. I had my moments with, my energy was kind of down, but I had to eat constantly, casey, constantly, and I was getting over 3,000 calories a day. A lot of bananas I would do like 21 bananas a day just to get calories, oh my goodness, because bananas of the fruit world are probably the highest of the fruit in terms of calories. And. But the key is, if you're doing vegan and anyone, someone who's watching, is vegan you want to make sure it has to be low fat. And I'm not saying that's the best cycle, because if you're competition between energies, you're going to have problems. But I'm telling you, my blood glucose, my insulin, everything was perfect, my readings were perfect and I was always having being tested, you know.
Speaker 2:And then eventually I started getting my doctorate and health and nutrition, and but by the time I would turn 50, that's when I turned to raw vegan, I actually started going not too well. So my lab work by turn 57. I had no white blood cells, red blood cells, platelets. So I had to go see her maybe a human psychologist, oncologist and she said did every test on me, no demand. And she said my colleagues and I we've never seen like this before. And she said we think you have a rare bone bone marrow cancer. She said because the blood cells, your white blood cells, are formed in a bone marrow.
Speaker 2:Interestingly though I didn't believe it and she said but you know, she said we could do, we could go in, do the testing for it. She said extremely painful and she said would you be treated if it is this cancer? I said no, no, I said I would treat myself holistically and she said so then why go through the test? She goes well, let's just say that you've got cancer. And I said well, you can say that, but I don't. I just knew it wasn't there. But here in 5'8", and at that point I weighed 95 pounds. But yeah and yeah, I was eating constantly. I was eating constantly, but it was coming out as soon as you eat it would come out the back end. At least I wasn't constipated anymore, but now I had this, but anyway, so yeah. So we found out later on. So I started working with the wonderful Sally Norton. She is an angel, sally.
Speaker 1:Norton is an angel.
Speaker 2:She is. And she said she said we gotta get you off all the plants. She said they're killing you and of course here I'm thinking plants are killing me. So she educated me all about oxalates, white-taste lexins, it's all in me, everything you name it. And it took her eight months to slowly get me out. We had to slowly, gradually take me out. Oh, I was getting styes in my eyes with the oxalates coming out, furs coming out of my bone. I mean, it was horrendous and it's what she guided me through. And then I worked with Paul Saladino and he got me to become the full carnivore and I did that for a year but that didn't do well. I did not do well on full carnivore and I tried all the supplements, I tried everything.
Speaker 2:And because I had such severe digestive problems, I think that for what I found in my research and I've been researching since I was five and I feel that we are also individuals, like when I look at the skunks and I look at the raccoons and I look at my deer and I look at the fox and all the animals we had, they're all mammals, you know, but they all eat different things and they can tolerate different things and I think humans are the same way. I think that we have to listen to ourselves, and I think we can learn from all of us who are teaching and writing about things, but I think you most importantly have to listen to yourself. You have to listen to your body, because our body is giving us signals all the time. And for me, no matter how many electrolytes, no matter how many supplements and I'm not a supplement girl, I don't believe in supplements because, again, I'm so nature, I'm a nature girl. You know, my animals weren't taking supplements, and they were really, they were really swell, and so I don't take those. And so I thought why am I getting these horrible foot and leg cramps? No matter what I'm trying, nothing's working. Nothing is working.
Speaker 2:And so I decided and I was working with Paul at the time and he says well, what do you think you're going to do? And I said I'm going to add in some fruit. And I said because there's a lease toxic. And he said well, which ones are you going to do? Now, remember, he's carnivore at this time and I said I think the best ones for me would be the avocado. Because I said they've got the fat that I need. You know I was eating. I was eating like 200 grams of raw suet a day, wow. And I was eating like two pounds of meat a day. I was eating three ounces of raw kidney, three ounces of raw liver. I was eating six raw egg yolks. I was eating so much food to try to get, but I did. I'm up to 110. That's so huge for me.
Speaker 2:But anyway, so, and I said I'm going to do I'm going to start with avocado and a banana, and that was life changing for me, life changing for me to put those back into my diet. So that's, I really don't, I don't, I can't, I don't like sweet. I've never been able to handle anything sweet. So the bananas I eat are just slightly just have a little bit of. They're just turning right because I just can't take sweet. I don't like sweet. But maybe it's ancestrally correct, but so, that said, so, yeah, so now. So that's where I am now today.
Speaker 2:So, at 62, that's basically my diet. I don't, I don't eat a lot of fat anymore, I just eat my favorite. My favorite meats would be raw wild bison and yak. So yeah, yes, yes. Ashley Armstrong and Sarah Armstrong, they have their. Their new company is called Nourish and she introduced me to yak and it's ancestrally raised and all my golly is so good. So I live a ton on ground yak and their lamb is wonderful. So I'm I, so I kind of mix a little bit of lamb in there, because lamb has much more fat. Yeah, it's extremely lean, very, very much like the bison and so anyway, so case so, and I do, I do two raw egg yolks a day. So I feel so optimum, so amazingly optimum, at 62. I can do splits now. I've never been able to do splits and at 62 I'm doing splits. I run faster, I sprint faster than I ever have, I lift more than I've ever have. So again, I just it's there's. Ancestral eating is the only way to go.
Speaker 1:That is absolutely incredible. I love that you talk fast too. The biggest complaint I get as being the host of the shows that I talk too fast, and I don't care at all. I'm trying to get the most information out in the least amount of time, and so do you. At 62, you look like you're 40. I'm about to turn 40 this year. Like you look amazing, I can tell you're very vibrant and have tons of energy. Now, when, when, when I'm talking to people about a carnivore diet, I normally like the definition. That is kind of the definition of nature, which is like a carnivore. A carnivorous animal eats about 75% of its calories from animal products. That doesn't mean that you're strictly exclusively only animal products all the time, with no exceptions. By that definition, by that definition, do you feel like you're still kind of carnivore?
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I do, cause I mean me, I, I, that's my go to, I love my free. I have two freezers, I have two refrigerators and I have so much. That's all. I really cannot imagine not having me anymore.
Speaker 2:And I remember the first case after decades, of never having any animal product in my life that for and it was, it was wild venison, it was venison, it was deer, and I was shaking and I was just, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, am I going to throw up and to put that first piece of meat in my mouth. I started sobbing because it was like every, every cell in my body was just like oh my golly, I became. My children were watching and my daughters and my granddaughter. It was just remarkable case to just feel so alive. It had been so long.
Speaker 2:And there's nothing barbaric about it. There's nothing Cause I know vegans. How can you do that? You're killing an animal. But you know, when we think about case, what happens in a field, when you think about the tractors coming through in, all of the rabbits and the raccoons and all the, all the little rodents and the chipmunks. They're being brutally chewed up in those machines. There's more than we can imagine. That's brutality and I know that the animals that I'm consuming, they have given their lives. It's cyclical, you know. We all, yeah, we give to this earth. I believe that that's why God produced everything for us. I believe that, and again, watching my animals that we were raising, you know, animals kill animals and I don't think it was killing, I think it's giving, because eventually we will give our bodies back to the earth, you know, and the bodies will give back to the earth, and I think it's all part of life, it's all part of what God's plan is, you know.
Speaker 1:I absolutely love that. We had Leah Keith on our show a few times and she made the point about the combines. I hate to even repeat this because it's so miserable to even think about, but as the combines are going through the fields, the fields are condensing with animals. All of these animals are running away. So they say the last few acres are the most traumatic for the people that are running these combines, that are seeing all these animals get chewed up at a greater and greater level, which is again terrifying to think about.
Speaker 1:But the point that she made is like she always had to think of sentience as a line. Where are you going to draw the line? Are plants alive and sentient or insects are small rodents? Where do you want to draw the line? As a vegan, it's very difficult to know where to draw the line. And over the course of destroying her own health and learning that she wasn't doing any good for anything she wasn't doing any good for the animals, she wasn't doing any good for the planet she learned that the line is actually a circle and when it's a circle you recognize that everything is alive and we are fertilizers for plants.
Speaker 1:We are going to go back in the war into the earth, and we are here as plant food, and once you think about it that way, it totally shifts your perspective.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, it absolutely beyond a reasonable doubt. And I know I mean I know with every ounce of my being now that I've had to go through these steps in life to learn the truth, and I hope that those of us who are still in the vegan world really look hard at what's happening to your body. Have lab work done. The truth will be there.
Speaker 2:I was so anemic, so I mean, and plus, I have MTHFR it might be 12, my riboflavin and I worked with Chris Masterjohn as well. Wow, I mean I've been with the best who's who. And then Chris, of course, was my saving grace. He, really, because even eating meat and I was at that point where I was just so falling apart and I was and now I had been a carnivore almost a year and I started losing weight again and my doctor was like you can't even survive on meat. He said I don't know what to do for you anymore. I don't know.
Speaker 2:And so I prayed and I prayed and the Lord brought me Chris, and so I saw his first video and I contacted him and I just said to him I don't know what, I don't know what to eat anymore. I said, what do you eat? And he emailed me back and one thing led to another, and then we just came best buds, and he's just taught me so much. So now again, I'm up to 110 and I'm maintaining it, but I have to eat a lot of food. I have to eat a lot of food, you know, but again I feel so. I mean, everything's functioning fairly well for me. Everything really is so it's good.
Speaker 1:That's incredible. Meat is good. That's great. At the time of this recording, there's a video that's been circulating around. I think Sean Baker shared this. Brian Sanders shared this with a young vegan tasting meat for the first time and she takes that bite and looks at it and examines it as terrified and she had the same response that you did where she puts it in her mouth and she just starts like bawling. And we've heard the same story from so many former vegans that have appeared on the show that like the lights come on for the first time. What was the cognitive dissonance like? Because every vegan I've ever talked to is vegan for the best reasons. It's not true. None of the reasons are true. You're not saving the planet or the animals or anything, but it's for a noble purpose. To cross that line again must have been so difficult. It's got to be so difficult for anybody who chooses to be vegan. What was it like for you?
Speaker 2:It was, and because I love animals so much, I mean they've been up there in my life, I mean they truly were my family. I mean they've truly were like my siblings and I was like part of their litter and I guess it was just life or death. You get to the point of I have my daughters, I have my granddaughter, I have my students and I thought I'm going to die and they said they said your organs are shutting down everything. I was dying and if you could see, the top of my arm was like that big.
Speaker 1:Wow so like for the listener, like, literally, like you're thumb to your point of finger, oh my goodness, even smaller than that, Even smaller.
Speaker 2:What? So it wasn't this? You could go like this oh my goodness, and it was frightening, and yet I was eating so much food. It didn't make sense and I didn't want to die. I didn't want to die at the age and, but all right in our case. Here's something that I hope that maybe this will teach the vegan something, or people that are eating a lot of nuts and seeds. I had my first colonoscopy when I was 50, thinking I'm a vegan, I'm going to. It's going to be pristine, you know. So my gastroenterologist comes in after the procedure and I'm like how long?
Speaker 2:He said I don't know. And I said what does that mean? And he said I couldn't see a thing. Your entire colon was embedded with nuts and seeds. And I said how is it? I said I'm working on my doctor, I'm getting my PhD in health and nutrition. They're power foods, he said whoever told you that humans can digest nuts and seeds? I was shocked. So at that point that was the kind of beginning of my brain saying there's something not right here. And then let's say I was 10 years, then I turned 60 and now I'm carnivore. At this point and I go, I have another colonoscopy. I think, oh look, I'm the supposed diet that causes cancer. Your red knee is a carcinogen. So I said to my gastroenterologist you know, I'm not a V-gamer, I'm a carnivore. He's like now you do know that's a carcinogen.
Speaker 1:I said let's see.
Speaker 2:I was in the after the procedure. I said how was it? He's got the nurses with him. That's the most pristine looking colon I have ever seen. Wow, it's not a poly, nothing. And the nurses are like what do you eat? And I said me. I said what Are we? Good, we can make them meat now. And I think what kind? And I said red meat, mostly wild bison.
Speaker 1:Brains exploded.
Speaker 2:So that was kind of a powerful moment to me Plants versus meat, which one is. So it was pretty nifty, as we saw.
Speaker 1:That is crazy. I love that story. I've heard you tell that story before and I absolutely love that. That's crazy. We are not designed to ingest so many of those nuts and seeds Like we've had Dr Bill Schenler come on the show and say yeah, I ate nuts and seeds when I grew up and it was during Christmas and you would have this giant nut that you'd have to crack, so it was a ton of work and you'd get like a few. Maybe it wasn't worth all the work to even get them. Now I can drive a mile away to Costco and buy a giant bag of almonds and crush them like, handful by handful. They never satiate, ever. And I can have more and more and more and more. That's a totally different context.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 365 days a year. We don't do that. We don't do that, we just don't. And even the wild animals don't. They don't. And I know my raccoons and the skunks and the fox and even my chipmunks. I have a little Daisy that lives out here. She's all over me all the time. If she will eat, she doesn't. Mostly they owe squirrels and chipmunks. They only eat. No, they will eat frogs, they will eat snakes, they will eat. They are opportunistic omnivores, like we are. I mean, if it's there, you'll do it, but if there's something better, you'll eat that and that's what they go for. And we have to understand. We don't eat all these things 365 days a year when they're available. And even for me, for my system, I cannot handle most plants. I cannot. I'm allergic to so many of them and to me, I love the meat. I love meat and fish and things like that.
Speaker 1:So that's amazing to think that I can fly to Montreal, like you mentioned, and eat mangoes in March, like that does not exist. That's not a natural thing, but that's what we're used to, right Like. If I observed what humans are eating right now and what I would assume is a species-appropriate diet, I would say like oh, it's grub hub and it's shopping in the middle of the grocery store with like Reese's branded cereal and granola bars. Like it's a joke, it's absolutely crazy, it's so true.
Speaker 2:It is so, so true, and that's why I'm seasonal eating. I'm a seasonal eater, so, like right now, I haven't had apples in a really long time because now they're in season. So now I'm adding a little bit of apple into my diet, not a lot, but just a little. And again, my go-to for me is meat, eggs and fish.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that. That's amazing. Ok, so now we're kind of getting into the space of like ancestral diets, like what we've eaten as a species-appropriate diet, like I said, and so this leads us to your work with Dr Chris Kenobi. How did the two of you get mixed up together?
Speaker 2:Well, again, I contacted him because I was dying. I was like, oh I like. I watched his first video. It was, I think, the 2019 Denver down. You know what's the long, what's the call? Low carb.
Speaker 1:Denver.
Speaker 2:Yes, low carb. Denver. I literally I kept stopping the video and I am crying because everything he was saying was so profound. And he was showing, you know, the Masai and the Tukasenta, you know, and in Papua New Guinea he's showing three different cultures that are surviving on three different styles One carnivore, one in the middle of the road and one almost completely vegan almost not completely, but when you look at the Papua New Guinea people, they're mostly 90% is sweet potatoes and when I saw that I was like, oh my gosh, this is brilliant. It's brilliant. It's showing that we're all unique and we have to listen to ourselves. You know, and that's why I contacted him, and so, you know, he was intrigued by my knowledge and my experiences and I think, you know, seeing that I had, you know, raised all my animals and I've been thinking and studying this my entire life and to see someone who's been kind of living it, you know, trying to find that perfect spot. So we just became best friends and we started researching, and 24-7. And so now here we are today.
Speaker 1:How was the process of writing that book, like editing everything and getting everything in, like, what was that like?
Speaker 2:Oh case, it was exhausting. There were. We would, we would work, we had to have no contact with people yes, our children, we would stay in touch with our family members, but we would literally locked in and we were just working nonstop. We would go out just long enough to get groceries every 10 days and come back, and it was months and months and months of that. And but we were geeks. You know, we're research geeks and we just we love what we were doing and it was so profound. I learned so much from him, he learned from me, and then, of course, then the editing process. That was my baby as well, and I love this part of. I've done it as a teacher and educator. I've been editing for years, but it was a learning experience. It was just again. It's such a blessing and gift from God and I, just now, I know that everything from the moment I've been born has been to get me to this point. God had a plan and I had to learn everything so that I can now teach it to the world.
Speaker 1:That's amazing.
Speaker 2:Tell the truth. We're truth seekers case. We aren't about money. We don't make any money. If anything, we're losing money, but, as I always say, we're not losing, we're gaining because we're going to save lives. We're saving lives and it doesn't get any better than that. I would give every dime. I have to save a life and that's what we're doing.
Speaker 1:That's amazing, Wow. Well, when I interviewed Chris after he had sent me the book, I asked him what it was like to actually receive the book, put it in his hands. It's just, it feels amazing. I told him the same thing. You could bash somebody's skull with it. It's so thick and dense with information. But the hardcover is amazing. I asked him what was it like to hold the book for the first time and he said you know what? I haven't even received my copy. I sent them out to everybody else, so he didn't even hold it in his hands before I did. What was it like to actually feel the book in your hands?
Speaker 2:I couldn't believe it. It was overwhelming and of course you can tell I'm emotional, but I cry a lot Sorry. It was just so beautiful. It was such a. It's our baby. It's like getting birth. We worked so hard and it was just miraculous. It's really an amazing experience and hopefully there'll be many more.
Speaker 1:That's amazing. Ok, so the main what you just said about the populations is some populations, indigenous tribes in the world, eat mostly meat. There's also some that eat more plants than they eat meat. Chris is going around to conferences that are called low carb, low carb Denver. Whatever he's making these presentations and making pretty bold claims that this book makes that says maybe it's not the carbohydrates, maybe it's seed oils, Can you explain why you guys went down that path of identifying the main harm in our modern diets? Might not even be the carbohydrates, it might be seed oils.
Speaker 2:And with all my heart and soul I believe that's what it is. You look at a package in a store there's always seed oils, but then of course, it's got sugar, it's got all these other things and toxins in it, so they all come together and I know that when you look and I've got slides that we can look to as well in case that it will show you these three that we've been talking about, that we've got the variety of people throughout history that we studied and we have gone through thousands and thousands of studies and there's over 1,300 in our book. We had to pick which ones because Chris is like come on, we've got to pick which one.
Speaker 2:We're going to use it, because there's so many to pick from and there's so many that are eating carbs, but again, they're natural carbs. We're not talking about processed Anything that's man-made I don't go near. I will not go near them. And so when you're looking at carbs and sugars and all these things, there's cultures living at all of these and they're swell. I mean, they're really top match in their health. And then, of course, you've got the people who are against the meat. Oh, that's nothing but saturated fat. You can't do that. It's going to clog your arteries and that. But we're proving across the board if you eat naturally, you eat from the earth. You can really do really well, because we've got all these tribes and all these people and they're still living, and that's what we're going to be doing. Coming up is we're going to actually now put it into play. We're going to go and we're going to be with them and we're going to talk with them and we're going to see if they still are living ancestrally or has processed food that infiltrated into their areas.
Speaker 2:But I really do believe it's not the carbs, I don't believe it's the sugars. I believe it's these seed oils. They are so toxic, they are just so deadly what they do. Every mitochondrial is being destroyed. I just think we have to really look at this, because so many of my clients when they come to me they're so sick. If I just tell them to get rid of anything, it has seed oils in it. I think people call me within 24 hours at least after just stopping. They're like Suze, I can't believe it's coming out of me. I know this is probably too graphic for you, but I said no really, I've heard it all.
Speaker 2:It's like sludge coming out of me. 24 hours. In 24 hours. And I said I know, wait till 30 days, keep it out. And it is profound to see the difference. When you remove the seed, oils and processed food, you will age backwards, you'll start to. All of a sudden, you just become amazing. You know, I just feel I would give my life for this. I would put my life on this. It's amazing.
Speaker 1:That's amazing. So we're always losing show sponsors on the show. We've already lost Tang. Today We've lost Captain Crunch as a potential show sponsor, my favorite cereal as a kid. My parents are way too cheap to buy it for me very often, but I love Captain Crunch so they're not going to sponsor the show anymore. Long, long long since we have lost every canola oil sponsor we could ever hope to acquire. Unfortunately, our most tagged video is from the TV series how it's Made Canola Oil. When you say sludge, you mean sludge. This stuff is disgusting. We're going to tag it again for the listener. Watch it. It's five minutes. They're almost like bragging about this amazing product that you wouldn't want in your car, you wouldn't want in a candle. It is disgusting, this process that they go through to make vegetable oils that do not come from vegetables.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's so true, it is so. It's again in the book. That's part of my quote is it's a disease of greed. When you've got the big food guys and the pharmaceuticals, they don't care, they're going to tell you whatever you want to hear, as long as they're making their money and want to keep us sick, and they're going to keep keeping us sick by all these lab grown. It's getting crazy.
Speaker 2:I feel like I'm in Twilight Zone. When I was growing up, there was a TV show called Twilight Zone and I feel like every day it's like Lord and I don't have a TV. I live very, very simply. I don't have anything. I have no microwave. I haven't had those for 20 years and I don't miss them because I don't want to know what's really going on out there. It's crazy. It's crazy. We're going. But all of us in this field, in this network, in our communities, here, we have to really fight for this guys. We have to stand up and just say we aren't going to tolerate this anymore. We, you know, I just we have. It's going to take all of us together to make a difference.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree. And these food companies that's their responsibility is to make money. It's not even like wrong of them to do this. They don't care. They literally don't care. Like, exactly like you said, and we're recording this at such an amazing time chronologically, you are about to embark on such an amazing journey. We connected, we've been, you know, talking back and forth and you said I've got this project coming up. I can't tell you much about it. You contacted me earlier in this week and said like I'm leaving on Friday. Today is Thursday. I said this this week is crazy, I don't have time. I had a cancellation. We made time to do this and it's the eve of this incredible journey you're going on. Can you share with us, like, what do you have going on?
Speaker 2:Oh, casey, it's just again. I won't cry, but you can hear my voice. It's just such a gift. It's such a gift that we're going to go.
Speaker 2:And again, here's I'm going to add this in when I was a little girl, my grandmother was miraculous and again God placed her in my life for a reason, just like with my dad and everything. She lived in Africa and she lived with a tribe in Nigeria for two years and another tribe in Nigeria. She taught there and when she would come home I would just sit at her feet and just grandma tell me stories and she would talk about them and I would just in awe because she would tell about their food and how they lived in their huts and they had nothing, but they were so vibrant. I saw her slides that she would come home with. They were just so beautiful, so beautiful, and my whole life I've always wanted to do the same thing. I want to go and live with them and learn from them, because I said that to grandma and I said that to my dad.
Speaker 2:I said, between the animals, the wild animals and these people who live so naturally, we can learn from them, because we don't know, we don't know how to be humans? We don't know. We're just like these robots are told by those that be in the health community and all these things that think they know it all how to live and how to be human. And we don't. We've forgotten, and we're designed to grow, to be outside, we're designed to run, we're designed to climb trees, people, and this is truly.
Speaker 2:I say this to many of my clients If you can't pull yourself up onto a tree because in the old days that would have been our survival, if we were being chased by predators, we would have had to climb a tree. And so if you can't, then you just ask yourself am I fit to be human? Am I fit human? Can you run, can you sprint fast enough to save your life?
Speaker 2:And I know people nowadays oh Sue, you take to an extreme. No, I don't. I may be, I know I am a little extreme, but if we can't run, that's our legs are for, that's our feet are for. If we can't pull ourselves up and pull our weight and hold our weight, there's something wrong with that, and so that's always. My goal is to teach people we have to be human, and so now I'll go back to so. Now, with my grandma, I feel like she's on one shoulder and my dad he's on my other, because they're both up in and so we're going to take them. Um, tomorrow I'll be heading out and, um case you have, we show the slides.
Speaker 1:Absolutely so for the listener, just like the episode that we did with Dr Chris Kenobi. Um, we're going to do a slideshare, so I would definitely recommend going to YouTube to to find this episode. We'll also link it in the show notes so you can see it. The visual cues are just so amazing to be able to see as well, just like it was with Dr Chris Kenobi to show the different graphs of how seed oils are potentially affecting things a lot more than sugar and carbohydrates. And now we are looking at a slide that says Pacific Islands Research Expedition 2023. Ah, that's so exciting.
Speaker 2:Oh, case is just so, it's so amazing. So these are the islands you can see, but oh, feel the sex Hold on. All right. So these are the islands, and as we go through, I'll show you, uh, closer up off them. But this, this is where we're heading to. So we're heading to the Pacific Island, the islands, and so tomorrow I'll be flying out from Syracuse I live in Syracuse, new York, Syracuse, new York, and um, up in the up, near Canada, and so I'm flying to, um, I'll be flying first Atlanta and then to LAX, and then from LAX I have like a 16 hour flight to Melbourne, australia. Oh my God, that's where Chris is right now, and so I'll be there on our Saturday, but it'll be Sunday there. So, um, I'll meet up with him and um, he's with Dr Rod Taylor right now, so I'll be with both of them on Sunday.
Speaker 1:We just posted, a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I'm excited to be with them on our Saturday, but they're Sunday and then Chris and I, um, we'll fly out the next morning, um and um we're going to be heading to. I'll just kind of toggle through things here. Well, this is real, quickly, what we've just talked. This is my dad and he's holding two of the the Cubs Fox Cubs that we and um, yeah, this is me when I first brought my first little Susie.
Speaker 2:I'm an age today, okay, okay, and so here are our travel plans. All right, so if you look over here, so this run starting up up here in New York and then I'll fly to uh, to Atlanta, and then I'll come over here and this is where I'm going to um in in LAX, and then from LAX I'm going to go all the way down here to Melbourne, wow, and that's where I'll meet Chris, and then from there we're going to fly from Melbourne. Now, a lot of our trip is just flying because to get to these small regions we're going to, there's not a lot of flights that go there, so we have to do unbelievable trips, flights. So then from Melbourne we're going to fly over here to Bali, and then from Bali we fly to Makassar, over here, right here in Indonesia, and then from there we fly to. Over here is called Jayapura and that's in Papua New Guinea, or it's really like over here. You can see it's not really quite, it's still in Papua New Guinea, but they call it Papua, I guess how they pronounce it. And then this is more of a city kind of a region kind of, if you call it a city. But again, um, everyone who's watching. We will be trying if we've got cell service, we will be trying to. I'll try to do some live Instagrams. I'll try to have videos and pictures wherever we are, so you kind of follow along on our trip and learn as we go. But we're gathering and collecting data.
Speaker 2:So then from Jayapura we're going to take a small little plane up into the highlands and we're going to go up to Wameena and that is right here, where this little guy is, right here, and so that's where the Danny tribe or the deny I'm not sure we'll learn how to correctly pronounce over there. That's where they and we're going to spend about four days of them and I'm so excited Okay, it's all the questions and all the things I would get back. I wanted to ask, and I was asking my grandma, and we're going to go and we've got a guy that's going to take us and they're going to teach us so many things and they're going to teach you the same, all the same things, and I don't want to tell you what they're going to teach us, but these are special requests that I've asked that hopefully that they will come through for us, and it's just so exciting case. And then from there, oh for the six, hold on and then from there we fly back to Jaipura and then from Jaipura we will fly to back to Bali over here.
Speaker 2:Then I believe there's so much like we fly back to Brisbane over here in Australia to try to get to where we're going. Now, a lot of these flights are 10, 15, 12 hours or, and then we've got like then we've got five or six hour layovers, so it's just to try to get to places. It's unbelievable, but it's worth it.
Speaker 1:Well, this picture shows a scale. Like you can see America and I know how long it takes to fly from where I live in Salt Lake to Atlanta. It's like three, four hours. It's like nothing compared to the South Pacific. You're flying a ton down there. You're going to have so many frequent flyer miles.
Speaker 2:So it is amazing. But we're in all different kind of airlines. I've never heard of before. A lot of little tiny things, just little hoppers to get us from one place to another, because some of these islands are so tiny that they even have a strip of land to land on is amazing. And so then, of course, then we're going to be going to the Solomon Islands, to Honiara first. Well, after Papua New Guinea that region, which of course we talk, we'll talk about a little bit. I'll show you some more slides for them later on they're going to go to Honiara and I believe that one's right here. I actually have these labels In Honiara, that's the Solomon Islands, the Honiara is like the city region of that, and so we'll be spending time there.
Speaker 2:Now, what we're going to do case is because we're going to think, well, what are you going to research this? We're not going to be doing lab work, like we will be doing in the future coming up. This is working our feet wet. We're trying to figure out how to do all of this and what we have to do to orchestrate the massive study that's going to be coming up. And this all costs so much money, case, it just is costing us a fortune, and we are so grateful for the people who have donated money to help us afford this trip. But we still have to. We're still putting our own money in because it's so expensive, and we just want this to come to fruition. We want it to come to truth, and so what we're going to do is we're not taking blood work, we're not taking adipose tissue, we're not doing sampling, we're doing double food plates and freeze, dried them and send them off to our labs.
Speaker 2:That's going to be coming up, but this one. What we're going to do is we're going to meet with the tribes and we're hoping to see that they're still pristine and their health, and we're hoping to see that seed oils and processed food have not infiltrated them yet. In my studies for this, no, I'm kind of a little leery. There may be some that's getting there, but we're going to meet with the tribes and then we're also going to go into their kind of cities they're not really cities, but what they would call cities where they do have stores and they do have access to what we'll see. I'm not sure. Some say oh no, it's just still coconut oil, it's still coconut oil. Seed oils have not gone. We will not, we will know. So that's what we're going to go.
Speaker 2:So we're going to go to and we're going to speak with the native tribes, and then we're going to also speak with their cohorts who are now living not as ancestrally, and so we want to see what's going on and that's what we're going to be compiling the data this time. We're going to go into the restaurants and ask what they cook with. We're going to look at their food, going into the stores, see if they've got all the bottles of seed oils and do they have all the processed foods and packaging, and we're going to talk with the people and find out how are they doing? Yeah, and Chris is very much the same way with the native tribes. I will be asking if I can look in their mouths.
Speaker 2:I was studying dentistry at one point. I wanted to be a dentist, and so I would love to see what's happening in their mouth, because I think our mouth is the beginning of our digestive system. It's how your mouth looks and how your teeth look really does tell how your health is, and so I'm hoping to let me see how they, what they're, and I want to see the width and their demandable and everything that we know. If you're eating ancestrally, it's going to be. You're going to have a wider jaw, you're going to have room for all of your teeth. You're not going to have your wisdom teeth removed.
Speaker 2:So these are the things we're going to be doing and keeping a lot of records of what we're seeing, a lot of photos, and then to prepare us for when we start to travel to Tanzania so we can go and spend time with Masai and Hadza. We can go to Costa Rica, all the places that we've talked about, the Inuit, all of these people we can go and stay with and learn from them. But we've got to educate the world, too, that a lot of travelers think that they're really doing something swell by bringing you know, oh, I'm going to bring them some lollipops, I'm going to bring them some candy, I'm going to bring them some cigarettes, I'm going to whatever. They'll really appreciate this. Please, please, if you visit these regions and you meet these people, please don't offer them these things.
Speaker 1:It's just so awesome. Might as well introduce cocaine. Might as well just bring like some addictive, crazy drugs.
Speaker 2:Yes, just, you know, if anything, bring them other things, you know, bring them maybe some clothing, something beautiful, something organically made, you know nothing. Don't bring polyester, you know, just even money. They may need money, you know, because possibly many of them maybe have relatives that they could give money to. Or, you know, more food from the earth. More food from the earth. But we've got to educate the world, we've got to leave these people alone, you know, we all need to become more like them. So, yeah, and so then, after Honeera, then I've got to think when we fly to Samoa, we'll go to Samoa. That's way over here and that's going to take us quite a while to get to Samoa. I think we fly the Fiji this time. So we'll go to Fiji, and that Fiji's right here, I believe Fiji's over here and then from Fiji we fly back to Brisbane, back to Australia, and then from Australia then we'll fly back to Samoa. We'll finally get to Samoa and we'll spend about four or five days there doing the same thing, and then from Samoa we're going to go, we will fly back again to Brisbane and then, of course we've got, then we'll fly over to Vanuatu, and Vanuatu is right here. I believe it could be. It was one of these islands here, which I'll get down eventually, and in Vanuatu it's again we read about this in the book a wonderful, another wonderful region where they live. There's so ancestry, so healthy, very much like Papua New Guinea, and we'll be looking at the cohorts there. And then we're going to fly to Tana and there's a movie out called Tana and it's about this tribe that lives there and they're extremely ancestral and I'm hoping, praying, that they're still living ancestrally. And so we'll take a little tiny plane that will hop us over there. It's only, this is only an hour flight, so that was the least. Oh good, Nifty, that's a short one and we'll spend some time there with and meeting the native tribes there, and then we fly back to Vanuatu and then we're going to fly to Fiji and in Fiji we're going to spend a time there. They actually have a couple of villages there that were that are two millennia years old and they're still living ancestrally, and so, again, we're going to meet with them and their cohorts and it's all comparing and contrasting and hoping and just praying that they're still ancestrally living, they don't have any infiltration of seed oils, process food, because the obesity and what I'm seeing in my studies and research is huge.
Speaker 2:It is enormous in these regions and there's a theory in science that's called the thrifty gene, that some say that some of these cultures, that they can't handle processed food and so they instantly, they will become an instant. My theory is it's because it's hit them so quickly. They aren't like how we are when we've had gradual. Our ancestors, our great grandparents, were slowly introduced with Crisco in the early 1900s and they were pristine, which I'll show you in the slides. They were just pristine and so, and then it was slowly introduced. So they had years to get used to this new processed food and then it got worse and it got worse and it got worse. But when you just throw it in to these communities, all of a sudden they're inundated. Their bodies are inundated with so quickly.
Speaker 2:I don't know if it's a thrifty gene. I think it's just too much at one time and the body can't handle it. It's like a toxic overdose and I think that that's my take as a researcher that possibly that might be what's going on. But we'll see. We'll see what's happening there. When we get there, and that's what our job is we're like again, we're two seekers, so now we'll go to. So these are the places around the world that we know some of the most incredibly healthy people live, and again, without coronary heart disease. None before processed food came in there was none. What does it say? What does it say? And then these are the Messiah.
Speaker 1:Yep, I remember that picture from the book. I know they look so healthy.
Speaker 2:Look how pretty they are. And again, this is in Tanzania and Africa and this is what my grandmother lived with for years. And when she talked about them, ok, and she just lit up, she just lit up, she goes this is where I would love to live the rest of my life.
Speaker 1:Clearly they've been using like crest whitening toothpaste. Their teeth are like fluorescent white, so clearly they've got to look at their teeth.
Speaker 2:But look what they eat. Look what they eat. Three thousand calories a day. 66% is animal fat Animal fat- so we represent satirated. Notice the saturated fat guys. Look at the saturated fat that they were consuming and we're told by the health community saturated fat kills. No, it doesn't Look at them. You know carbs. They had 17% carbs, 10%, and look at the look at their. Look at their LA Only 1.7%. I mean many of us and people who are eating processed with 20%.
Speaker 1:Yeah, little acid. It's so prevalent in our diet.
Speaker 2:It's insane, it's insane. So, again, it's just, it is remarkable. It is, it is remarkable. And now the tocalowans they're going to be in the region, where we're going to be, and you can see, this is where we're going to be. And there again, look at their diet Coconut fish, starchy tubers and fruit Dude is jacked, yeah, you know, and 54 to 52% of their calories are from coconut, coconut oil.
Speaker 1:Saturated fat.
Speaker 2:Saturated fat 91 to 94, almost 95% saturated fat, and 53% of their diet is fat, but 48% is saturated fat. Of their fat, 2% of their diet is Pufa, 2%, only 2%. It's remarkable, just remarkable. So these are just things I'm kind of talking about. I feel like I've kind of kept you for so long. Now we go to the tukasinta. This is where we're going to be spending our time In Papua New Guinea, in that region.
Speaker 2:Look at these people, look at the potatoes, and we're going to be, we're going to be seeing where they grow all of these. We're going to be helping them to harvest them. We're going to be working with them. That's amazing, so overwhelming. I'm just so honored. But again, they do have some Notice. We have not found one group of vegans. We have never found a group of vegans. That's right, that's a right thing. They all have some kind of animal product. Because you have to, we need to be 12. We have to, we have to, and so look at them. No, and so they had some pork and chicken. It wasn't all the time, but they did. But we'll know when we're there. We'll tell you more how much that they're eating each week or each month. But look at this Again their diet 94.6% were carbs.
Speaker 2:Yep 3% protein, 2.4% fat, Only 0.6 LA, Low as it goes here. I mean that's remarkable Lean, fit absence of obesity. They found no diabetes, no gout. Ischemic heart disease very rare, and my mother is blind from macular degeneration.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2:No. Macular degeneration none.
Speaker 1:Amazing.
Speaker 2:So again, they were living a lot on sweet potatoes. For me, I can't hardly do potatoes because the oxalates cause such havoc in my body. I was going to ask.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to ask Like, what are you thinking as far as like again, some of this data is taken from the past. But if you're going to be there and live there and they still eat this way assuming they still eat that way are you worried about an oxalate bomb with the sweet potatoes?
Speaker 2:For me and we were talking last night on the phone. He's like Sue. It's because I get very sick when we travel. If there's a lethal contaminant, that is something I'm allergic to. I get very sick, but he's used to it and I deal with it because we have to. We're researchers, we have to put our bodies to what we have to put through. Amazing, but the thing this is something very interesting because everyone's well, how can they eat so many sweet potatoes? You guys with your oxalates? These people eat tons of sweet potatoes. This is our theory and Chris and I talk about this a lot. There are certain bacterias and I'm sure I'm pronouncing it wrong I think it's oxalabifactor. I'm probably pretty, but it is an actual microbe that lives in many people's gut. Doesn't live in mine. I've been tested. I do not have an ounce of this in my body. Chris has a massive amount in his and those. I believe that those people who have this are able to consume oxalates, because this is like the little Pac-Man guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, fascinating.
Speaker 2:Helps to eat it up and helps to get it out of our bodies, and those of us, I think, that don't have it are the ones who are struggling Now. There are other we do have a couple other of the bacteria that do probiotics, that do eat and help to get rid of the oxalates, but I think that the oxalabifactor I think that's what it's called is the key one, and I have none in my body and I wish I did. But you know what I'm wondering, and I've been tested on this glyphosate I have. I'm so pristine in my life. I don't use any chemicals in my home. I don't use any chemicals in my yard. I owe. For decades I've only eaten whole food, natural food, organic. I don't eat anything that's not organic. But yeah, I had my blood tested. I had my levels tested and they were very high In glyphosate.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so, if I'm high, what is everybody else who this is not? And so, is that glyphosate destroying our microbiome, and is that causing so many of us to struggle with what we can digest, what we can handle anymore? And so, again, this is all part of our research case, that we're trying to figure a lot of this out. But so, yeah, so I'm going to be eating their sweet potatoes, but they prepare them totally different. I can't wait to show you what they're going to show us how they prepare them. It's really unique, wow, yeah. So again, but look at the, look at the again.
Speaker 2:But what do all healthy populations, traditional populations, traditional ancestral, what do they have in common? No refined sugar, no refined wheat, no processed foods. And what? No vegetable oils, yeah, and many of them are using the coconut oil. Coconut oil is really I do believe it's got some amazing power in it. I really really do. I've seen people who have used it and it has changed their life, especially when it comes to their brain. So again, dietary analysis, traditional population studies. What about the fat composition? Look at the tucasenta 1%. Masai 45. Tocalaon 48.
Speaker 2:There's a variety Cross the word. Okay, monostatriated doesn't matter 1% in tucasenta, 65% in masai. So it's really, it's amazing. Okay, macro nutrients carbs do carbs matter? 70% in masai, 95% in tucasenta. Do fats matter? 2.4% in tucasenta, 66 in masai, and they were all pristine.
Speaker 2:So again, we have to be the truth, we have to tell the truth. Everyone has to listen to their bodies. What's best for you, for me? I tried massive carbs and I also died. I know some people that can do a lot of carbs and they really thrive. So, for my body, I do really really well with meat. So again, look at this, look at these, the carbs, versus this is. Look at the estomol 8% in masai, 17%. Tocalaoans 24%. Japan, 84%. Okinawans 84%. Tucasenta 94%. And all their health excellent. Again, total fat Masai 66%. Tocalaoans 53%. Inuit 47%. Japan, 5%. Okinaw less than 5%, around 5%, tucasenta 3%. And again, their health, excellent. We can't, we can't say you're wrong. This is, this is the facts, this is what we have. And look at this, the LA what do we know? Look how. Look at the levels here, kase. Look how low they are. Yeah, again for the listener, if you're not watching this it's.
Speaker 1:It's so fascinating to actually see the slides. Pull this up on YouTube, look at the link, because you're you're seeing the little lake acid, the most harmful part of vegetable oil, and how low it is, and and some of these diets that are more traditional and living, like, as you said, susan, like excellent health.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's, it's, it's remarkable, and that's what it is. I, we, this is what we've honed in on this. When you take like a microscope, let's zoom right in. What is it that they all have in common? You know, it's not the carbs, it's not the fat, because we're showing you it's all different, they're all over the place, but the one thing that they have in common is their LA level. It is so low and we've found that once you get up to around four, that's when things start falling apart, and four sounds pretty low, but it's at that point that we see.
Speaker 2:So try to keep it below as possible, and it's so possible when you eat ancestrally, it's so possible Again these are the oils, these are the oils that we say stay away from, and you'll see the red, and then there's the yellow, and then there's the green, and, of course, on this, they don't have macadamia, and I said that first. I said, well, I wish there was a way we put macadamia, but it wouldn't fit. Macadamia is about 2% as well. If you, if you have to use a seed or not, oil, macadamia is two. But again, I have some people writing to me and some of my clients asked me you know, but what oil would you use? Well, I don't, I don't use oil.
Speaker 2:If I had to, I would use a coconut oil, but it was going to use, you know, because, again, they don't have the fat cycle vitamins A, d, k2. Those are crucial in our diet, crucial in our diet, and these oils don't have any of them, none of them. So, any of these new fancy oils that are coming out on the market, everyone's trying to say, oh, this one's yo, this is the one it doesn't have. You know, all doesn't have the oxalic, it doesn't have the LA doesn't have all these things. It's very low. The one point is, though, it doesn't have the fat cycle vitamins, and we need those. We need those things.
Speaker 2:So I would just say, go, go with the animal fat beef butter, tallow lard. I use suet, that's. Suet is the raw kidney fat before it's been processed and made into tallow. I just love raw suet. To me it tastes like cheese. You know, these are the nuts and seas I would stay away from. Personally, I don't eat any nuts and seas because I saw my colon. It wasn't attractive and it wasn't attractive. Um, so, if you haven't seen your colon and what nuts and seas might do to them, just be just be aware. Just be aware, just eat just a few if you're, if you, if you must, you know, just a few.
Speaker 1:So I record podcasts on my phone, not on my computer. Can you read some of the red oils that you showed on on the screen? Yeah, for the listener.
Speaker 2:Oh, the oils. Okay, see the oils. The top one, safflower Golly, look at that. 75% LA safflower. Grape seed 70% LA. Sunflower 68%. Corn 58%. Cotton seed 55. Soybean 53. Rice bran 35. Peanut 32. Canola 21. Then we get down to lard.
Speaker 2:Again, if this is K-fold raise, if it's raised without this ancestral diet, the, the LA will be huge and I wouldn't touch it. Linseed flexed is 16%. Avocado, disory 14%. And that's if, if, that's if it's pure, if it's been adulterated, glory be. You know, olive oil, if it hasn't been adulterated, it would be 10. But it could be a little, it could be lowest three but case. We're working on a project right now which I think it could be really swell, because I think olive oil it's got such amazing I do believe it because of vitamin E that it has, is so powerful and it's got so many, you know, so many things. I think that I don't even think that science can find, like, if we can, food it's been used forever and I think if we can find one that is so pristine and that is at 3% and let the world know about it. So we're working on that.
Speaker 1:That's amazing.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you for sharing all these powerful slides. It's, it's so awesome to see. I just um, before we let you go, you're, you're truly like a modern day Dr Weston, a price like going to observe these places, and you're you're approaching science. There he is. Yeah, you're approaching science in the way that you are supposed to, where you make an observation, you go, travel around and, and you know, kind of check things out before you can make any kind of conclusions, and you made a few hypotheses before you leave. But I'm wondering is like the final question, like what kind of hypothesis do you do you think you have before you go to these places? Like, are these going to be populations that aren't touched by our food, or is it too late? Have we already infiltrated these populations? What do you think you're going to see when you're going around on some of these trips?
Speaker 2:My research for this trip is has been kind of I'm like, oh, colleagues, when I report to Chris, I'm like I'm not feeling very happy about what I might see, and so I'm I'm hoping I'm wrong. I'm hoping that I'm not, that I'm going to be pleasantly surprised that many of the people there are still living ancestrally and that that we haven't infiltrated there with our food. But so I'm I'm fearful that we will find processed food is destroying them as it is us as well. But on a positive note, I I have faith that we're doing now around the world that, with you and everyone, we're all hand in hand through this we're marching through or warriors, and we can, we can. We can stop this. We can, we can prevent all of this. We can. We can eradicate all of these oils eventually and we can get them off the shelves. We can get all this, all this toxic food food out of our, out of our world, and we can go back. But it's a choice, guys, it's a choice. We all have a choice and you know we can live.
Speaker 2:Look at these. Look at these warriors. These are the warriors. These are recent pictures, so this is who. Look at them.
Speaker 1:They can climb trees. I can tell you that they can sprint and they can climb trees.
Speaker 2:It can, guys, and ask yourselves are you a warrior? They live ancestrally. We need to get back to our roots, we need to get back to being human and we need to get back to living like, like they do, and we can. And so if I get there and I find that in talking with them that their health is starting to fail, I'm hoping that we can educate them to stop. Don't do this, you know, and we'll show them pictures of what's happening in our world that we don't want them to see. We don't want them to become human. So it's all education we have to teach for teachers and and I think we can do this, guys, we can do this, in case I just can't thank you for giving us the voice and the form to share our world, our word, with our research, but we all have to share. It's a lot, it's a lot, it's a lot, it's a lot.
Speaker 1:It's a lot I could do to host you guys this is so great I could do to host you guys.
Speaker 1:This is such an amazing thing. I'm so inspired by all of this. This is very unique as well, because we're going to be able to talk to you here in a few weeks after you get back, and we're going to learn everything that you've learned. You're going to be able to report back on our show. I just I cannot wait to hear what you've learned. I definitely, definitely need to get the contact information for your travel agent, who set this all up. Pretty pretty, it was me, you did the travel agent. Okay, great, I did everything. I did it all. Next vacation I go on, I'm going to call you and you're going to set everything up for me. That's going to be awesome.
Speaker 2:Thanks that was. That was really hard because it's finding ways to get to these places, but it was really neat. But, case, this is our book. It's not everyone know it's on in four different versions, but I'm just going to just say, guys, honestly, don't waste your money on the black and white, because there's 180. Yes, Beautiful graphs and pictures and charts that it doesn't do it justice. You can't. You can't see it clearly enough. If you really want to save money, go to the ebook. Oh my God, I spent so long creating.
Speaker 2:This is like a once in a lifetime to have an ebook that has so many linkable from, from the text to whatever is we're writing about. You can click right on to it. It'll take you right to that, that item. And it's very rare because usually a book of the size couldn't be done. You can't link. That would be just a very few things. But I found a way to do it and it's. It's truly magnificent and it's all color. That is all color, the hardcover, all color is the paperback. So just be aware of it down, it's it really. It does matter. And again, this is our seat oil free is the key to being disease free. It's our motto and case, I just again I can't thank you enough for this opportunity to share our journey and our research, and I'm Well, I can't thank you enough for putting this together the day before your amazing trip.
Speaker 1:You're somebody I've really respected and followed for a long time, and Dr Chris Kenobi is just the kindest human ever and he's amazing that the two of you are going on this trip and this journey is just so wonderful. I can't thank you enough for being on our show today. Hosting you was a very small token, very, very small token of of gratitude for what you guys are doing. Will you, if you don't mind, will you tell the listeners where they can go to find you, to connect with you and your work, and where they can potentially follow along on this journey? Thank you.
Speaker 2:And case, if it's all possible, maybe while we're talking, as I'm away, if you want to do some quick, I don't know if we can, if we can ever do a live together.
Speaker 1:Oh, that would be unreal. Let's do it.
Speaker 2:So hopefully we got away. We'd love to be talking, but anyway, guys, you can find us and follow us, if you want, on our journey, as well as everything that we're doing, on either Instagram, facebook, twitter or X now, either ancestral health foundation, qamd, or at my page on Susanne Alexander. So I will be posting both of those at all of those different social medias as well. And if you want to donate, guys, to help us to fund our next ventures, our next expeditions, please, every dollar, every dollar, we believe, would save 10 lives, wow. And we don't get paid for anything.
Speaker 2:We give our own money to the foundation and you know, we just we're here to save lives and that's our, that's our mission. We're not here to be millionaires. You know, being a millionaire to me is knowing I saved someone's life. That's amazing, that's the greatest. Yeah, so if you want to just go to QAMD, we will eventually have our ancestral health foundation coming up, but we've been so busy doing everything else we haven't gotten it put together yet. But QAMD, foundationorg, qamdorg you can go there. We have a donation page, darlings, and we would just so appreciate any time that anyone could possibly give us and give us a thank those who've already donated, so definitely.
Speaker 1:Definitely I'll be donating to that website and I encourage the listeners to do the same. Do you have a link for your travel agency? New business website my wife and I would love to go to Cancun and January.
Speaker 2:You're so adorable If you could book a hotel and a flight.
Speaker 1:That'd be great.
Speaker 2:Let me know, guys. I'm always there. I'll give anyone a hand. That's amazing.
Speaker 1:Sus, thank you so very much for appearing on our show today. We really appreciate you.
Speaker 2:AC. Thank you, darling, I just adore you. Thank you, you're just an angel. Thank you, so are you.
Speaker 1:I'm so excited to connect with you again to see what you've learned. It's been amazing to hear about what you think might happen and all the work you put into the book, which is absolutely beautiful. I didn't even know there was a black and white version. Everybody should buy the color version or buy the ebook. It is worth every penny for sure. There's so much information, there's so many beautiful illustrations and graphs and photographs. So again, thank you so very much, sus. Yep, it's a beautiful book. I love it. But again, thank you so very much for appearing on our show today. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 2:I'll talk to you soon, honey.
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