What if you could transform lives, increase cognitive health and even reverse the effects of dementia through nutrition? Join me as I dive into an enlightening conversation with Hal Cranmer, the owner of A Paradise For Parents assisted living homes in Phoenix, Arizona, who is doing just that.
Hal himself has implemented low-carbohydrate and carnivore diets in his own life, then decided to try it in his homes, leading to amazing weight loss and improved health among the residents. Glean from Hal's own experiences with nutrition, including the benefits he has seen from the carnivore diet at 56.
Hear Hal's thoughts on this, exploring the science behind the carnivore diet, including the concept of gluconeogenesis. We also discuss Hal's journey in the assisted living industry, the challenges he's faced, the opportunities he's seized, and the positive changes his staff have experienced after adopting the ketogenic diet.
Ultimately, Hal's dream is to see the assisted living industry become obsolete because everyone has become too healthy to need it. Isn't that fascinating? Tune into this episode to hear the inspiring success stories of Hal's residents, learn about the transformative power of proper nutrition, and discover how Hal's approach to nutrition is not only transforming lives but also redefining the assisted living industry.
Find Hal at-
https://aparadiseforparents.com/
TW- @HalCranmer
FB- @aparadiseforparentsassistedliving
FB- @Brainstorming Alzheimer's
IG- @assisted_living_hal_cranmer/
https://bringmemoryback.com/
Special love to-
IG- @cherubsipes Julie Marie Sipes!! Keep up the great work!!
IG- @Daniel Magyar Julie's trainer Daniel Magyar!
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What if you could transform lives, increase cognitive health and even reverse the effects of dementia through nutrition? Join me as I dive into an enlightening conversation with Hal Cranmer, the owner of A Paradise For Parents assisted living homes in Phoenix, Arizona, who is doing just that.
Hal himself has implemented low-carbohydrate and carnivore diets in his own life, then decided to try it in his homes, leading to amazing weight loss and improved health among the residents. Glean from Hal's own experiences with nutrition, including the benefits he has seen from the carnivore diet at 56.
Hear Hal's thoughts on this, exploring the science behind the carnivore diet, including the concept of gluconeogenesis. We also discuss Hal's journey in the assisted living industry, the challenges he's faced, the opportunities he's seized, and the positive changes his staff have experienced after adopting the ketogenic diet.
Ultimately, Hal's dream is to see the assisted living industry become obsolete because everyone has become too healthy to need it. Isn't that fascinating? Tune into this episode to hear the inspiring success stories of Hal's residents, learn about the transformative power of proper nutrition, and discover how Hal's approach to nutrition is not only transforming lives but also redefining the assisted living industry.
Find Hal at-
https://aparadiseforparents.com/
TW- @HalCranmer
FB- @aparadiseforparentsassistedliving
FB- @Brainstorming Alzheimer's
IG- @assisted_living_hal_cranmer/
https://bringmemoryback.com/
Special love to-
IG- @cherubsipes Julie Marie Sipes!! Keep up the great work!!
IG- @Daniel Magyar Julie's trainer Daniel Magyar!
Find Boundless Body at-
Hello and welcome to another episode of Balanced Body Radio. I'm your host, casey Ruff, and today we have another amazing guest to reintroduce to you now, hal Cranmer, as a returning guest on our show. Be absolutely sure to check out his first appearance on episode 415 of Balanced Body Radio, which was no joke, one of my absolute favorite episodes we've ever recorded on the show.
Speaker 1:Hal Cranmer is the owner of A Paradise for Parents, which includes four assisted living homes in Phoenix, arizona. They are having incredible success by implementing low carbohydrate and carnivore diets, along with engaging exercise programs with their elderly patients. They have several programs that they successfully manage, including a bariatric program to help people lose weight and a program to greatly diminish and even reverse the effects of dementia, alzheimer's and other cognitive diseases. Their assisted living homes improve the health of their residents through changes in lifestyle. They employ doctors, personal trainers and nutritionists who design meal programs prepared from scratch. The assigned activities program keeps their residents engaged socially and mentally. Several residents from their homes have become well enough to go back to living at home again. Others have moved from bed to wheelchairs, from wheelchairs to walkers and from walkers to walking by themselves. You can find Hal on Twitter at Hal Cranmer. Hal Cranmer, what an absolute honor it is to welcome you back to Balanced Body Radio.
Speaker 2:It's a pleasure to be here, Casey. You're one of my favorite podcasts hosts in the podcast universe.
Speaker 1:Oh man. Well, thank you so much for the kind words. Through you, we've been able to meet one of your managers who made a surprise appearance on our last episode. I believe her name was Aurora. She was amazing. Got to chat with her, learn her story. We also hosted Daniel Magyar, which is somebody that you've employed to do virtual exercise coaching. He was episode 425. He was amazing to chat with A wonderful person that knows so much about carnivore diet and nutrition and about strength training. We've also been able to talk to one of your residents or I should say at this point, former residents Julie Sypes. That was episode 435. She's now gone right.
Speaker 2:She's on her own. She's going to like an independent living arrangement like a part of a building. Wow, yep, doing well, as far as I know.
Speaker 1:That's amazing. Well, I'm so excited to catch up with you and see how things have gone since our first conversation. It has been a minute, so it'll be nice to hear your story again, which we'll get to in just a second, but really cool to say that we got to meet in person in the meantime, between the last episode and this episode just a few months ago. Sure did. Yeah, so awesome. I'm here for MediBolic Health in San Diego. I saw you from across the room. As soon as I saw you, I'm like I know exactly who that is Marched right over there to go say hi to you. Now, as I understand, this is the first low carbohydrate conference you've ever been to correct.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1:Okay, so how did you find it? What did you think? Was it a good time? What did you think of the conference itself?
Speaker 2:I loved it. I thought there were some great presentations. It's nice to be with some like-minded people A lot of people in really good shape, obviously doing well on the diet and just to mix ideas and get connections and new ideas that I could put in my assisted living home was fantastic. It was my first conference doing that. I'm looking forward to going to that many more.
Speaker 1:That's amazing. I'm seeing you there. I will be there. You better believe I will be there. I made the point, oftentimes like that trip, that we went to San Diego. I didn't even go to the beach. You're there in a hotel conference room not the most ideal place, that I would love to spend my entire weekend away from clients, but it's just the energy and the talks and what you learn. It makes it worth it. That to me feels like a vacation, and to meet so many people out in the space is just wonderful. Do you have any standouts of people like you really wanted to meet and you got to actually meet them and talk to them?
Speaker 2:Well, dr Anthony Chafee was a big one for me I loved. In one of his Q&A sessions someone asked him if you could design the perfect supplement, what would you put in it? He said steak. He's a big hero of mine that. Dr Dommick Dagestino I've heard him on a bunch of other podcasts and to meet him in person was pretty cool. I think he's doing some amazing work. He was even like Tim Ferriss and those kind of podcasts Nothing against yours, but those are like Joe Rogan level and they invite him on regularly.
Speaker 2:What I really liked was a lot of the doctors there put their presentations into perspective of a story. Or this explorer went and lived with the Eskimos I don't know if you can call them Eskimos anymore For like two years and eight. Nothing but whale, blubber and walrus meat and caribou, and they felt amazing and had nothing wrong with them and cured all their chronic symptoms of anything. Those are the kinds of stories I can bring back rather than go. And your ATP transport chain and this cell nucleus does energize like Andrea. All is scientific garbage. It's not garbage but jargon. I'm talking to families with a mother on dementia or father who has Parkinson's. They don't want to hear all that they want to know. Are you going to treat my parent well when I can tell them these stories of people really doing well on these kind of diets? It really makes them much more interested.
Speaker 1:So much more helpful. And, yeah, hearing those stories of people using this diet in the past. If I hadn't been in this space and been really interested in nutrition and gotten certified in all of this stuff, I would probably think the same thing that most other people out there think like keto, carnivore, fad, fad, fad. All of these are fad diets. They are going to cause problems or people can't stick to them, or maybe you'll lose some weight in the first few weeks but you're going to regain it all back. And I understand people for thinking that when you're talking about some of these stories and understanding that people have lived this way for hundreds of thousands, of millions of years, eating those types of foods and thinking logically like that's probably all the food they would have had available to begin with, like you start to understand that, oh, this is just the way that we are supposed to live as humans. Is that species appropriate diet that Dr Chaffee talks about all the time? He's bringing those type, that type of information out so that we can better understand it.
Speaker 2:Right, and you see those. You know the whole fossil record or whatever. Or you see paintings of these people and stuff. You don't see any fad people. Yeah, you will see people like laying in bed, unless they got gored by a willy man or through you know, saber tooth, tiger or whatever it is. You know they were running around being fit to and great, and it wasn't. You know, all these diseases that people get these days are modern diseases. Yeah, you know, people didn't have the big problems back then. Yep, as far as I can tell.
Speaker 1:Yeah, as far as I can tell, as well, that's the case. Now you mentioned something very interesting. I totally agree. You go to these conferences and you see many people that are really, really fit. Dr Chafee, great example. He definitely practices what he preaches, that do to shredded and tan and his skin glows. He looks great. He's awesome.
Speaker 2:My wife yeah, I have a personal physician that's diabetic. We just don't discuss food or anything, we just go through it. You know a nice guy and everything, but I'm like you know doctors to me should be the healthiest people in the world because they have the access to the best information of how to stay healthy and I see so many of them take some of my residents when they go to the hospital, go visit them and I'm looking around at all the nurses and doctors there and I'm like dude, put down the donuts Totally.
Speaker 1:Totally and they don't know they do the best they can. My wife was following Dr Chafee on Instagram and she asked me one day like is he as good-looking in person as he is on like Instagram? And I'm like no, no, no, no, no. He looks way better in person than he does on Instagram. He's a freak, yeah. So we have those types of people. That's right, exactly. We have those people that go to these conferences, and I've gone to a few.
Speaker 1:I'll give three quick examples where I would arrive at my very first one and I see people that aren't in that really good shape. You can tell like they're probably not following the advice. Clearly something's up. And you know my very first one I sit down. It's a doctor of some kind and I found out through talking to him that he's retired and he just learned about this stuff like three months ago. So he's got weight to lose, but like he's there, you know, like learning all this stuff and thinking back on his career, like I can't believe I was not teaching some of this stuff.
Speaker 1:Another dude this year at Low Carb, denver, a bigger guy. He sat down for a quick conversation with me and found out he's just a resident of Denver that had a heart attack last year and he's on a weight loss journey through listening to people like Dr Ken Berry, and he's just there because, same thing, he wants to learn. You know more about this and you'd look at him and say he's not metabolically healthy, but he's already lost so much weight. He's there to continue his journey. And the same time, same thing at San Diego a metta woman, 50 pounds overweight, but she's already lost 120 through fasting and she's there because she wants to learn. And so it's cool to think that not only are you going to see the Uber Fit people, but you're also going to see people that are on their own journeys, wherever that is.
Speaker 2:It's so inspirational to me. You see all these bad diets and you see all this take ozempic to lose weight, or all these medications that are supposed to help you for all kinds of chronic diseases. Well, they don't. They might make your pain go away, or something like that, but you don't see long-term success. It's not just that this diet helps you lose 80 or 100 pounds, it changed your life. I'm never going to go back to that. I hear that so many times from people and you think, oh my God, this is something that's really sustainable and really effective. It's not going to be a short-term thing. It's going to be the rest of your life. You're going to have a much better life because of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it will also get easier over time. The more you do it, the easier it gets. It is very convenient and not very expensive.
Speaker 2:That's a good segue into your current state of the and me being a really bad cook, I can cook this all day long, and do fine, just eat up some burger patties, throw some eggs in a pan.
Speaker 1:It's not that hard yeah.
Speaker 2:I can salt a steak there you go. Good as anyone.
Speaker 1:There you go. Perfect, that's amazing. I'm going to get an update of your own health state of the state for you personally. This is an honest question. You look great. You told us last time you were eating a carnivore diet or something adjacent to a carnivore diet. I consider anything 75% plus of your calories coming from animal products as the carnivore diet, but let's get an update from you Again. Honest update. I have no idea what you've been doing. Has your eating changed? Has all the meat built up in your arteries and is blowing up your heart? How are you doing?
Speaker 2:No, I went to that doctor, my diabetic doctor, a couple of months ago and all the tests were just phenomenal. My high glycerides, I think, were 37. Super low. Yeah, my A1C was under five. I feel amazing. I went to the climbing gym with my son. He's better at it than me, definitely, but I held my own and could do these rock wall climbing. Never done it before, or done some very minimal ones before.
Speaker 2:I hike up mountains around here in Phoenix and have no problem doing that. It feels really, really amazing. I go windsurfing for two hours at the local lake. I couldn't do that when I was 35, now I'm 56 and just loving life. What's neat about it, too, is when you feel this way and you realize how good it makes you feel, you start becoming an evangelizer. You go out and spread the word. You want to tell other people about it, not just in my old folks' home or something, but all of my friends, family, everyone like that. I'm like get on this. I want you around forever and be my friend, be my relative, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is exactly how it goes. Your results are so consistent with what we hear in this community. It's almost like expected. At this point, if you start this enough to start experiencing the benefits, you're probably going to want to continue doing that, and then all the things that you said come true. I'm turning 40 in a few months. I feel way better now than I did at 30. Way better no comparison whatsoever. You mentioned the evangelizing part, which I love With your doctor in particular, as he's giving you these results. Did you spark any kind of curiosity? Did he want to know? He probably doesn't see many 56-year-olds that are in your shape and don't have medication. Did he care?
Speaker 2:No, in fact I think I talked to you last time about the work we're doing with a company called Mind for All Seasons that helps us with our dementia residents. So they suggested I go get the blood work and just make sure I'm not headed the dementia route or anything. So I brought the list of blood tests that I need to have for my doctor. He's an older guy and he looked at it and he goes these young doctors just want to test for everything and he threw the list aside so I'll give you the tests that you should be taking. I mean, that's where I got my tri-less rides and everything results.
Speaker 2:But I was trying to explain no, it's not like that. These guys are dementia specialists. I'm just checking and he's like you don't need that and so I just don't think it's necessarily. I could tell he didn't want to know. He's probably been practicing medicine 30, 40 years and setting his ways and it's like I mean he's a nice guy and I get my tests and he's right down the street, but so I figured I'll just keep going to him for a checkup. But he's I'm not going to convince him, I can tell right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's too bad that you see that apathy out there. I would. I would almost rather have somebody want to know about it and then disagree with everything I'm saying, versus just like I don't care. I don't want to know, although I can understand it because, like you know, the work of Nina Tyshills came into my field division about the same time that she released her book in 2014. Somebody had sent me an article and I knew the book existed, but I didn't actually read it. According to my like Facebook time hop thing, whatever until 2016. So that's two years, and if I think back, if I think back I'm thinking like, okay, if what she's saying is right, then everything I've been taught is wrong, and so I kind of had a bit of resistance and I wonder if doctors experience that as well, like if all these people are getting a lot better and don't need me anymore, maybe I don't want to know about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's some kind of saying that goes along with that. It's very hard to convince someone's wrong about something if their livelihood depends on it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, something good, good point.
Speaker 2:I want to get. I want the assisted living industry to go away. I mean, yes, I make money from it, but I would, I would love to be able to transition into something else, because everyone's too healthy to have assisted living anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:I don't feel that way about their industries. That's right.
Speaker 1:Now, and unfortunately for you and that idea, I think you're going to be in business for a very, very long time and that's a great segue. Yeah, no worries, that's a great segue.
Speaker 2:I can't advocate all I want if it's still be fun.
Speaker 1:Perfect, we. We told the listener episode 415, you have to go listen to it. We told your full story there and how you got into this. But you know, just as a brief kind of reminder, we tell our listeners how you got into assisted care living because that wasn't necessarily what you were ever really trained in and neither was like the medical or nutrition world. This is all kind of relatively new to you.
Speaker 2:No, I was. Yeah, I started my working careers in Air Force pilot. I flee C 130s, mostly for the Air Force Special Ops command, flew a lot of all those neat seals and green braids and all those kind of people and dropped them into some of the worst places on earth and I I like crap. Then you know I was an Air Force military pilot. You get down and you have a beer with your debrief and then you go out. You know we'd fly at night almost all the time and so at three in the morning I'd go out with a buddy doing all night restaurant at Denny's or Waffle House and we'd have some fried chicken and fries and you know I'm not going to just go home and fall asleep. Or I'd have a bowl of cereal when I got home before I went to bed, all that kind of stuff. Then, yeah, I went to the airlines for a company called US Air for a couple of years and then 9-11 happened. I lost my job as US Air was about to go bankrupt and then went into manufacturing for like 20 years or not 20 years, maybe 15 and rose up to be a plant manager of a big machining shop. And then the Alcoa bought our machining shop and canned all the management so I wanted to put theirs in. So I've been flipping some houses and buying rental properties on the side in Minnesota and another investor told me about assisted living as an investment so I looked into it. We really wanted to move to Phoenix. I went to flight school down here in the Air Force when I first started out and my kids were going to ASU. So we went through the course. I really liked what I heard and jumped in. That was in 2016.
Speaker 2:And there was nothing about nutrition back then. I mean, I was trying to eat healthy but I wasn't big into it at all. But then, when I got the assisted living homes, I looked at a lot of the assisted living facilities around Phoenix and met a lot of people out and toured them trying to learn how to do this business. And I was kind of grossed out by what I saw. A lot of people laying around watching TV, a lot of residents with 20, 30 medications they were taking that were just kind of comatose or not really full of life or anything like that what you typically expect of a nursing home and not a fault of the assisted living that a lot of people wait till the last minute, when they're really, really sick, to go into assisted living and the state requires us to follow all the doctor's orders for medications and everything like that. So they were doing what they thought was the right thing to do. It just seemed like we could do so much more for them, so I started reading about it.
Speaker 2:I actually went through a vegan phase. That was the first thing that caught my attention, and so I hired some vegan nutritionists and they were making recipes that I had to drive all over town to try to find some of the ingredients for that were just really weird and I'd ever heard of, and so we made it and I started having a. We did it for a couple months and I had a big revolt on my hands that they my people were threatening to move out. They wanted eggs, they wanted a hamburger, occasionally at stake, so and I wasn't seeing a whole lot of progress with anyone no one was like, oh my gosh, this is working. Look, you know. So I fired those nutritionists and I just kept looking and then I got.
Speaker 2:I like to work out, so I got an exercise system called an X3 that is made by a entrepreneur's sort of biomechanics expert and he, along with his exercise thing, was a big advocate of the carnivore diet. So I looked into it and personally I started doing the carnivore diet. That was about two, two and a half years ago and I was like, wow, I feel fantastic, this is great. I also was looking at the time with a Dr, Dale Bredesen in California, who had just developed this thing called the Bredesen protocol and he'd actually reversed dementia in all timers with a whole bunch of people, several thousand. There's a lot of caveats to it. You got to catch it early, you got to stick with it. You know, like keto or carnivore, it's a lifestyle change, but it heavily emphasizes a ketogenic diet. So all that sort of came together to say we should do a keto, a carnivore diet, assisted living homes, and it's a little slow on the uptake but we're making progress.
Speaker 1:That's absolutely amazing. I am going to steal a line that I've stolen several times since we did the interview with him. Daniel Magyar, we have already mentioned you've used him in the past. I'm not sure if you can't really, but you've used him in the past with great success. He does a wonderful job and he said something that I love and, again, I've stolen it many times. He said if you don't think a carnivore diet sounds weird when you first hear about it, then I think you're weird. Like that itself is weird and I'm like dude. That's. That's very well said. What was your reaction when you hear this dude? He's ripped, so he's using exercise, obviously, to get ripped, but then he's also talking about never eating vegetables and only eating meat and eggs. Did you think it was pretty weird the first time you heard about it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought it was crazy because I, when I was going through that vegan phase, I had a trainer that was exercising my residence and he was an ex football player in really good shape and he was vegetarian and he was telling me all about how meat is classified by the World Health Organization as a class one carcinogen or something like that that causes cancer. So when they said they eat nothing but meat, I'm like that's, you know, I could accept eating meat I mean meat my whole life, but really nothing but meat. What about veggies? What about fiber? What about nutrients, fruit, you know, vitamin, what about vitamin C, scurvy? There were all these questions that would come up, and they still come up with my residence.
Speaker 2:So it's yeah, at least I'm not, at least you don't think I'm weird now.
Speaker 1:but Exactly not now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was. And then when I read it in that guy's book and he's like fasting and meat and then you know eggs and stuff like that, I'm like this crazy cholesterol. Another question yeah, you know, all of us.
Speaker 1:Yeah, totally. And you know, once you are into the carnival world and you hear the different arguments, you realize that you know the arguments on both sides. We have a lot more in common than we do differences vegans and and you know, carnivores, if you're doing it the right way. We want to eliminate a lot of ultra process foods. So I generally think we can make a lot more bridges than we need to make. You know walls and separations between us.
Speaker 1:But, like you do recognize, once you get over to the carnivore side, like, oh, when these guys are talking about all of those things the fiber, the cholesterol, the carcinogenic nature of meat, like when carnivores talk about it, it is science and facts and studies and they tell you what we know and what we don't know. And with the other side it's convincing for sure, but it's much more emotion. Everybody knows that vegetables are better. For you, there's not a lot of facts, it's just like this is working for me. The studies they cite are horrible as far as data collection or the actual, you know, numbers don't even make sense statistically. So after a while it you you understand the difference between the two. But initially, yeah, vegan sounds amazing for many different reasons.
Speaker 2:Right, it's, it's what we're grown up with. I mean, my mom would say finish your vegetables. She never said finish your meat. You know we want you to grow big and strong, so you got to eat vegetables too and I think you know what would kind of that.
Speaker 2:That guy who invented the X3, he has a book about how to work out how to eat everything like that. And one thing that impressed me was hey, I'm doing a ton of research and I came at this with an open mind. If, if I could see all the studies that showed veganism or whatever diet was right, I would recommend that I'm not like this big fan of meat that wants to do this and then in his Facebook group that I stay in which where's where I met Daniel, it was, you know everyone would bring up an objection and he put like three or four studies are saying here's why that's wrong. Like for dementia, for the ketogenic diet with Dr Bredesen, I mean the guy's brilliant, but he emphasizes lots of veggies, lots of colored veggies that are low carb and have meat, some, but not a lot more fish kind of stuff, and he says the reason he does that is because of Luke. Luke, oh, neo Genesis, does that sound?
Speaker 1:right, yeah, nice job, big word.
Speaker 2:Where you're meat, where, if you eat a lot of meat, I think it's your liver or some organ starts converting it into carbs. Well, this guy, john Jacich, who invented the X3, showed studies that it only does that extreme carb deficit in your body and it only makes enough that you get to the very bare minimum of carbs. It's not like, you know, you just ate Captain Crunch followed by lasagna. It's you know kind of carb levels. It's you know, this is the bare minimum stuff you need. And it's not because carbs are harmful to your brain. And that's why Dale Bredesen says you know, don't eat a lot of meat because your body's going to make you into carbs. Well, it doesn't really.
Speaker 2:Yeah that's right, oh, but, and there are studies that show that, and I, when I read Dale Bredesen's book it didn't have a study that you know said how many carbs it makes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, it's. It's super interesting that the gluconeogenesis when you fat adapt is a completely different context. If you're living on carbohydrates like you said, the Captain Crunch and lasagna, like you need such a high amount of carbohydrates because your body is burning such a high amount of carbohydrates and so, yeah, in that context, any protein you eat might be converted into carbohydrates if you don't have enough, which is easy because you don't store very many. But when you don't, when you're not using carbohydrates anymore, your body converts to fat. Well, the amount of sugar that you need is so miniscule. Your body can just make that exact right enough amount all the time. It's why you can go climb mountains. You can go Windsor for two hours. That's why I could, you know, jump on my mountain bike or road bike and go ride for a few hours and I don't. I don't need to eat, you don't need to bring a bottle. Like you feel fine and your body is just churning out exactly the right amount that it needs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know if you saw there was an article about a guy who just broke the record for climbing like El Capitan or one of those big mountains. Took him four and a half hours of climbing a vertical rock face and he didn't bring any water or food with him to do it Like didn't even need a sip of water. And four and a half hours of climbing a vertical rock it just that tells you how good this diet is, and the article said he based it on his strange diet of meat, salt and water.
Speaker 1:Pretty strange stuff out there. That's amazing, it's, it's funny. Well, go ahead.
Speaker 2:It is strange, like you said, if you don't, if you've never heard of it before, but it's a good point. Yeah, more people are here and now that that's a good point.
Speaker 1:I think about your, your dinner as a childhood, where you're told to finish your breakfast your vegetables. You probably went after dinner and watched Popeye eat cans and cans of spinach on TV and the cartoon and he's probably having kidney stones and a big oxalate dump these days. Yeah, yeah, poor guy. Okay. So I wanted to clarify something from last time and you you kind of sort of answered my question, but I just want to re hit on this. When you started your business, you had toured around and seen assisted living facilities, but you I mean, you didn't want to abuse, you know the people there. But you, you also were getting into this more for the business side of things than it was Like I want to transform the health of people in a really bad way. Um, health wise Again, like I said, like if that happened, that's great. I know you're not trying to like hurt people, but it also wasn't necessarily your main goal to be like we're going to transform health. This is a business idea.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got it. I mean I was running rental properties when another investor told me about assisted living and I, um, he basically said you know your tenants won't have keg parties and kick in walls. I mean I was mostly running to students at the University of Minnesota, so I was like that sounds good. And you know, when you run rental properties you put people in there, you check on them once a month or so, you know, answer maintenance calls and otherwise you leave them alone. So I was hoping this investment would be kind of we'd moved down here and I had plenty of free time to spend my family and you know, money would roll in kind of thing, and all I had to do was make sure they're filled and then have a staff to run it. Um, but I, I just, yes, they do run in that way.
Speaker 2:I don't want to say that facilities abuse residents, because that does happen and it's horrible and we have a terrible reputation among nursing homes and assisted living facilities for that. I would say it's more a neglect or it's sort of acceptance of the status quo. I own an assisted living facility. I have these residents in here, I'm going to make sure they're fed and cleaned and get to see their families. The real health of them is really turned over to doctors or hospice or what physical therapists, that kind of thing. What doctors do? They come in like any doctor visit. They get a list of your maladies and what hurts and what's wrong, and then they write a bunch of prescriptions and they leave. There's not, especially with old people. There's not really like education of hey, you should exercise or hey, you should eat better, even if you eat better. A lot of the doctors are same as us from when we were kids you should be a doctor, or an apple a day keeps the doctor away, kind of thing.
Speaker 2:I wasn't seeing any improvement. I guess for my manufacturing background a lot of manufacturing. There are these concepts called lean manufacturing or six sigma processes. There's people in charge of any manufacturing plan or good one of continuous improvement, they call it. People be satisfied with this. Always improve processes, find a way to make that product less expensive or faster or better, like it has more features or whatever. You can't just go okay, we make this widget, we're just going to sell it for the next 50 years because someone is going to make a better widget. There's a constant race. I didn't feel that in assisted living we just take care of them and we just let them be until they pass away. There is no incentive. I don't want to say there's no one who wants to make it better, but there is not a big drive to what can we do? That's better than what we were doing before, because we're just providing housing and food and what's the big deal.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, that's why I wanted to bring that up. It's such a special part of your story that you didn't necessarily get into this business for those reasons to help these people improve. Coming there and seeing these people, obviously it was not comfortable for you, enough to the point that you were looking for anything to help them.
Speaker 2:Right. I remember when my mom was taking care of my grandmother. She lived in Chicago. We got to Chicago a bunch and she had dementia and she had a bunch of issues you could tell you felt helpless. All we're going to do is just watch her decline and try to spend time with her. I always thought, man, it'd be really nice if Nana could come back or get better. I think it's easy to accept that they're 80 years old, 90 years old. This is the end of their life. Let them be. But I have people who are in their 60s, 70s. There's a potential for 30 more years of life, 50% more than they're currently getting. You don't want to spend that with tubes coming out of you or laying on a couch every day or laying in your bed just watching TV. There's a 98-year-old on the hospice that gets wheeled in my home and I'm really not going to be able to do much for. There's also a 75-year-old with beginning stages Parkinson's or something like that that you're like we could do a lot for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or even the 98-year-old you told us about last time that was able to go on a cruise with their family. Amazing, special memories, not just for that person but the entire family.
Speaker 2:I got a call the other day from a family I should follow up with them. Their mom's 105 and she's not happy with the assisted living she's in and she just stopped driving at 103. It's possible. I bet they weren't doing anything. I'm sure genetics play somewhat of a role in it, but you got to look at those outliers. People can do this. What we should be doing is studying how did they do that and then replicating it with the rest of the population.
Speaker 1:Yeah, totally Again with your story. It's so interesting because you're learning about these things and the carnivore diet, low carbohydrate, ketogenic. You're learning about the breadison profile. You're changing your own health and you're learning to start to integrate this, you said, with mixed results. Obviously you're not forcing anybody to eat any certain thing. It's just kind of more like what food is mostly available in some of your homes, with few exceptions. But what have been some of the sticking points? What have been some of the hardest challenges you've come across as far as adaptation for this kind of like wave living?
Speaker 2:There's been a couple and there still are. I do get a lot of people who say my mom's 85, just let her be. She really likes her ice cream. And I say, okay, fair enough. I get a lot of people like I made a video with that chef, maria Emmerich, that writes a bunch of cooking books and it was just like a 10 minute thing of her saying the keto diet works really well. I got tons of testimonials from my cookbooks and that kind of thing and I put that out and I got families calling me saying that the ketogenic diet is only for special treatments like epilepsy. They're worried their mom's going to be anorexic because she's going to lose too much weight on it. They're worried that they need carbs.
Speaker 2:I see a lot of residents who are kind of addicted to sugar or carbs or something like that. It's very hard for them to withdraw from that and lose those cravings, but the ones that do make big improvements. I also have trouble with caregivers. I have some wonderful caregivers that have been with me a really long time but they think that they're being nice to the residents by giving them treats or they don't like they'll. I try to say let's at least do ketogenic. I'd really like to do the carnivore. The carnivores are really hard sell. These old people are like I don't want to eat just me. I want a salad, I want a veggie, I want some fruit. If you're not going to, let me have dessert. So they'll go to the store and get keto chocolate chip cookies and think, hey look, I did good, I got keto chocolate chip cookies and I'm trying to convince them that's yeah, it says keto, but that's more a marketing gimmick than a you know. And I tell them you know, if you're a young person at 35 that just want to improve your health and you've got, you know, pretty big suite to, those are probably wonderful to transition on or figure it out.
Speaker 2:But when you're 80 and you've got dementia and you got Parkinson's and you got all these problems, we got to go a little hardcore. You know, a gradual thing with keto donuts and keto ice cream and keto cookies. We're running out of time. We got to work on this a little harder. But so the caregivers it's slow coming around and I have to like open up the pantry when I come over and go what's this, why is that? And they're oh well, they really wanted it, or it's their birthday, you know, or something like that, and we do cheat on holidays and birthdays, but it's. There are definitely a lot of obstacles and so we've got to exercise.
Speaker 2:We've taught the care. One of my caregivers, who has like seven kids and three grandkids, has learned you know she's very persuasive has learned. You don't ask them would you like to exercise today. You go, it's exercise time and get them out all together. We all exercise together, with some peer pressure, because everyone's like I'll do it tomorrow. You know tomorrow never comes. So that's a little bit of a challenge.
Speaker 2:Some of the interventions we're doing, like we have. I just put a sauna in one of my homes, just like some of the people just trying to maneuver them, get them into the sauna and everything can be a little challenging. And then sitting there, especially if they have dementia, they're like it's hot in here. So they started getting up to. You know, get out of it to get I need to get cooler kind of thing Doesn't realize it's a sauna thing.
Speaker 2:So you know, it is a little bit like herding cats, but once they see it, once they try it, and especially the keto we hired some cooks since the last time we talked because we were having the caregivers prepare it and what I was finding is, you know, after a caregiver goes the whole day of changing, bathing, dressing, cooking all this stuff, they start thinking you know, serving a peanut butter jelly sandwich for dinner is probably really sounds good to me right now because I'm pretty tired. So I got these cooks that took that away from the caregivers and they come in and cook the meals and so they're getting the good keto meal every meal except breakfast. My caregivers make some eggs, bake and sausage, things like that for breakfast, and that's helped a lot, because these cooks make very delicious meals that are also ketogenic and so people are eating it and people who weren't eating are starting to eat because of those.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I mean, those are breakfast foods that would be really easy to transition to and just forget that you don't have toast one day or whatever. You know what I mean. Like that's a pretty easy to start. Are you noticing that, even even at the ages of people you're dealing with, if they're having that kind of breakfast, are they? Are they like kind of fasting through lunch? Or some of them like skipping meals because they're feeling so full and satiated that they're just simply like not that hungry?
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, we try to have dinner at four to 4.30 so that they don't, and then the kitchen's closed until eight the next morning. So we try to fast them 15, 16 hours a day so they stay reasonably hungry through the three meals of the day. I haven't convinced the health authority that we could go down to two meals a day, so, but they do stay hungry. So what I'm seeing more of is like I have a lady who's in her 90s and she came to us and would hardly eat anything. She was tiny, really thin, and when we tried to feed her we'd actually try to feed her, like with assistance, and she would just chew it a little and then spit out whatever she ate.
Speaker 2:Well, we got these cooks who made great Keto Jack meals and over time she started eating them and now she's asking for seconds. So it actually increased her appetite and she gained 10 pounds, which she really needed to do. So it's not like a ketogenic diet. It's wonderful for weight loss if you need it, but if you need weight gain, it helps you gain weight too. It kind of keeps you at the healthy level.
Speaker 1:Yeah, getting that protein intake correct at those ages is so, so critical, you know, to build up your bones and your muscles. Most people think protein, they think muscle mass. They don't think about all the other things that come along with that. Especially as we age and become more anabolic resistant, it's so important to get protein into people. So that's wonderful news. It's really cool that diet does seem to kind of level people out, regardless of what they need whether they, you know, have eating disorders and need to heal and gain weight, or whether they're 400 pounds of pre-diabetic and need to lose weight. You seem to get kind of the same kind of results either way.
Speaker 1:We mentioned Aurora last time she came on the show. She said that you know, she was really inspired. Her job satisfaction was much higher because people were doing better. She said that for her, her own journey. She knew that it worked really well for her. So I'm going to ask, generally speaking with the rest of the staff has any of the other staff members, like, seen the results, eating the same food, feeling way better? Maybe they lost weight? Like, are you noticing that people, just by the nature of it, are also trying the diet and feeling like you and seeing some of the results that you're seeing with your patients.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one of my managers has cancer and he is. He's doing the ketogenic dialysis, helping his cancer. The tumor is shrunk, actually, which is a wonderful thing. Aurora, her son voluntarily went on it. He's lost about 70 pounds and he's now intermittent fasting and she's like you created a monster, but he's doing great, like acne is clearing up on his face and his teenager all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:One of my cooks who said she tried keto for a while when I interviewed her and she said that I just I couldn't overcome my resistance to carbs has now gone back on it. It's starting to lose weight and feeling much better. So some of the staff are doing it, some of them aren't, but they're all agreeing that it's helping our residents a lot. Aurora's house we went over a year and a half without losing a resident, and that includes residents that were in hospice. So in fact, we have one hospice company tell us I don't want to bring any more residents to your house because you get them off our service. They get too healthy and we have to like discharge them from hospice and we lose money.
Speaker 1:That's amazing. I would tell every potential resident of your facility that when they come in and tell that to their families, like we're getting rejected, oh I tell some of them.
Speaker 2:If it comes up a conversation I tell them I mean the hospice lady was joking, but she was like, would you stop taking them off, hospice? That is a huge compliment. The other nice compliment I got when the Department of Health. They come in and inspect our homes at least annually, just surprise inspections. They come in, check all our paperwork and one of the inspectors, who's a real stickler for paperwork, said you know, there's at the end of the inspection she goes there's one or two things that you could definitely improve on your paperwork. But man, your residents are all incredibly healthy and walk it around and it's so neat to see and I'm like, yeah, maybe tell the other homes what we're doing. So it was nice to hear that from the Department of Health.
Speaker 1:That is absolutely amazing. I can definitely confirm that by following your Instagram and your Facebook, seeing the pictures from the 4th of July and like everybody's happy and dancing and yeah, you might have a little bit of variation in the diet on a holiday or whatever, but you're still have a massive grill with lots of burgers and everybody seems totally happy and lots of smiles. So I absolutely love that. Now, last time we talked about your staff a little bit and you were mentioning burnout being a really big thing, like, yeah, you're going to get pretty burned out when you're basically probably working late hours.
Speaker 1:You're wiping up you know, old people's bums, like it's not the easiest job and, like we talked about last time, some people just have the gene for it, which is amazing. But I would venture to guess that you are retaining your staff much better than other facilities in your area and I know you kind of keep tabs on what other places are doing, but would you say that's the case. Do you feel like you've got really good retention of your staff because everybody is feeling like they're contributing, people are healthy and happy. They maybe are getting really great results themselves? Like, have you noticed that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think so. I mean it kind of gives it more of a purpose, you know, like an objective, like we're trying to get these guys better and I've given them financial rewards for succeeding to get some people better too. So a lot of my staff, I'd say half of my staff, have been with me since I bought the places in 2015 and 16. So when I tell families that that tour, they're like wow, I haven't heard about it at any of the persisted living facility and we also, because we're a home, our staff to resident ratios a lot better. We have two staff members usually during the day, sometimes three if it's a busy day or we've got people with high levels of care and there's only 10 residents. So it's like a three to one to five to one ratio. In the big facilities it can be 15 to one or 20 to one.
Speaker 2:Imagine taking care of 15 old people or 20 old people to one staff member. You can. I mean, no matter how good you diet and exercise, you're going to be burned out. You know, taking care of 15 to 20 adults your, my age would be challenging. Now add in their all chronic health conditions and need changing and horror lifts and, you know might be a really overweight. So I think that's a lot where the burnout comes. But I think having a purpose and seeing people get better and having families come in and comp and compliment them like you know, I'll have families who resident passed away Like if they passed away, say, in the middle of the month, I give them the rest of the month as a refund. A lot of families are like I'll give the money to my, your staff members, they were fantastic.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah so. So the staff sort of has a big incentive of like wow, this is cool, if we treat people really well, we'll get. We'll get make more money. And I've always told them Worry about the care, the money will come. Don't nickel and dime everything. Make this place a place that everyone is thrilled to put their mom or dad in, and you'll see the money roll in.
Speaker 1:Amazing. What a wonderful way to approach your business. So we kind of got a sense of that with the episode that we did with Julie Sypes. That was episode 435.
Speaker 1:She's kind of bounced around different facilities. You know she started her own kind of weight loss journey when she was 650 pounds in her early 30s and you know, through a bariatric surgery she was able to lose a little bit of weight but that was over the course of many years, about 100 pounds. By the time that we were talking to her I just I couldn't even believe the numbers. It was like basically by doing Carnivore and X3 bar workouts with her trainer Daniel, she was losing about a pound a day, like when we talked to her she entered your facility at 550. She was already in her 380s like six months later.
Speaker 1:Like astounding impossible weight loss. According to all of my non-carnivore nutrition certifications that I've ever done, you can't do that and she literally did. And now she's in a place where she is out, you know more on her own. She's in a facility where she can get care if needed, but much more independence, anything to kind of add on her story and her decision to kind of like change your life and get out of there in less than a year.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, oh, it's fantastic story. I mean she ended up. She was down about 330 at her lowest and she you know we're thrilled to get her out and put her in an independent facility and I'm hoping she continues and lives her life. But I think she learned a lot of good lessons at our place. We've got another guy in here now. He went down about 50 pounds. He's a little slower on this because he's it's hard for him to give up all the carbs, what we're getting there, so, but his blood sugar drop from average. He was very diabetic to very borderline diabetic now. So it's neat to see and I hope we can continue that.
Speaker 1:That's absolutely amazing. One question I had for Julia as we were wrapping up our episode is like okay, we know this is your goal, we think you're gonna get there. Her target was summertime it ended up being more of the fall time that she was able to do that. Amazing that she could do that. And I kind of told her, like look, you're going out into a world where, basically, you're a cocaine addict. You went to a rehab facility. You think you're not addicted to cocaine. You're going into a world where there is cocaine literally on every street corner. Like, are you worried? It's gonna be tough out there? Like it's not, it's not great, it's not the best out there.
Speaker 2:You can order cocaine online.
Speaker 1:They'll bring it to your house, whatever kind you like. You pick the type of cocaine like, whatever flavor you want. Like it's absurd. I mean, is it for somebody like that? Do you think it's gonna be too much?
Speaker 2:I think it's gonna be challenging. Yeah, I don't, you know, I you got to think of it as a lifestyle and we had discussions of you know, don't think of food as you know, a treat, think of it as fuel, like you don't put bad gas in your car, don't put bad food in your mouth, you know, cause it same effect as the car, right? And so it's a question of changing mindset and hopefully she continues to realize that and keeps moving forward the progress she made Very hopeful for her.
Speaker 1:She's a wonderful person and love that she was so vulnerable and able to share her story with us and so, yeah, we're wishing her the absolute best on her own. It's amazing that she was able to get there with her emotional support Heddy Bear, which she takes around with her everywhere. It's just awesome, it's so great. Okay, so you said obviously like the transition to fully convince somebody to do really call it like a more strict carnivore diet is challenging. Have you had cases where, yes, it was challenging, but you were able to accomplish that?
Speaker 2:So, Julie and the new guy we got in the weight loss is primarily the carnivore diets, the elderly, and Julie was 42. This new guy's 37. So it's it's the younger crowd too, the older one. I'm just I kind of given up trying to get the carnivore diet through everyone's like. Well, I do have one resident who's a younger guy too on it, and actually two. One's lost 25 pounds and one's lost about 15. Amazing, just in the last couple of months. But they they're still in the middle of it. They they're okay with it. But I know they cheat. I don't, they're not. They're not bariatric by any means, they just need to lose a little. And so the insurance that I get for people like Julie or this new guy won't cover Daniel's fee. So I've hired Daniel just for like a one-time consultation with them and he laid out the diet and then my caregivers are doing that, but he doesn't work with them weekly like he does with Julie and this other guy, gotcha. But the ketogenic diet still has had great results.
Speaker 2:And I'd love to talk about a story of a lady who just moved back home last week to Washington state. They came to us with dementia and a couple other problems and she just moved back completely. I mean, if you talk to her and we just did a podcast with Sean Baker with her on it you would never know that she had any health problems. She came to us walking with a cane, overweight, been diagnosed with depression for the last 20 years what else? Her hands were shaking, she had like tremors in her hands to the point where she could barely write.
Speaker 2:And she was diagnosed with dementia and we gave her a cognitive test when she first moved in. That showed she she scored in the dementia range of it. We put her on a ketogenic diet. We gave her red light therapy. She did saunas every day we did. Right after the sauna we did a cold shower with her, which she hated, but she gritted through it. We exercised her a ton and she no longer walks with a cane. She's dropped 30 pounds. Her depression is gone. She's off all her depression medications and I gave her a test two months ago and she tested in the mild cognitive impairment range, not the dementia range. And then I gave her a test. Oh, and we also did hyperbaric oxygen with her and I tested her a week ago and she scored in normal range. They have health.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, like I said, she's living at home. She's actually talking about becoming a health coach for Maria Emmerich, wow, and she may move back down to Phoenix because she's got a lot of family here, so she doesn't really have anyone left in Washington. So we're in discussions. I might use you for marketing and stuff too. But yeah, it's an amazing story and I'd love to give you her name and maybe put her on your downless health radio too, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1:That is wonderful. I told you I almost got emotional last time we were talking. I'm almost getting emotional now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this one will really make you emotional.
Speaker 1:Oh, my goodness, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:We worked with this company in mind for all seasons that sort of led us through this. That has a whole bunch of medical experts that they've been able to reverse cognitive decline in a lot of people. They work with a lot of any kind of cognitive decline, like they work with NFL players who have a lot of concussions and cognitive issues because of those. Or I think they work with some children with traumatic brain injuries and all that kind of stuff. So they when Julie the ladies' names are not Julie or not Julie, I've got Julie Sypes, melissa, the other ladies' name when she came, when she started with us, they gave her a whole lot of tests. I mean they took 15 vials of blood and they make this 40 page report of everything that's wrong with you, from inflammation markers to blood sugar, to vitamins, to hormones, to what else was on there. And then they also have genetic pathways, whether your methylation genes are working, all this stuff. And then they prescribe some supplements and then diet and all these other interventions as well, and they basically come up with a plan of this is how we're gonna heal you and then all those factors we got to optimize them, because what they're finding with dementia is it's not one thing. It's not just because you have plaques in your brain. Well, you have plaques in your brain and it's a bunch of stuff attacking your brain. And oh, another thing is dental hygiene, because if you gingivitis or periodontis, that bacteria migrates up to your brain and starts going after it and you develop plaques in your brain to fight it. That's what's killing your brain.
Speaker 2:So we took her to the dentist. Sure enough, she had bad teeth. She's like I haven't been to the dentist in years. So they cleaned all that up, cleaned up the infection. That probably helped a bunch too. And what I'm finding on this keto carnivore diet is even if you don't brush your teeth all that much, but you eat very healthy, you don't have to brush your teeth. Your teeth take care of themselves.
Speaker 1:They really do. It's crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, but teeth bad teeth are a big issue for everyone that I see in my assisted living homes practically with Alzheimer's or dementia also has very bad teeth. So I'm not going to be able to see a connection in my house. It's not a scientific study, but I'm willing to bet that that's very true. Well, yeah, I'm still good. So all those things contribute and you can do amazing things when you get people on the right track health-wise.
Speaker 1:Amazing. Well, you're talking about bacteria in the mouth. So what would be the very worst thing you could possibly do when that's the case is throw a bunch of sugar to feed the bacteria, like, of course, bad things are gonna happen and it's gonna spread, and, yeah, that it goes up into the brain is? It's crazy, but very true. The mouth is really like the portal to health. Once you see the mouth start to go, other things are gonna follow with that, and so if you can stay on top of that, it's so much better. And you're absolutely right I haven't been to the dentist in like five or six years. I don't really feel like I need to go. They might. My teeth used to be sensitive, now they feel really strong. I just, you know, do basic stuff to take care of them, and I don't eat sugar and carbohydrates and they really do sort themselves out so much better. Again, what a fantastic story about Melissa.
Speaker 1:We know how dementia affects the person themselves Not great. We know how it affects the family so much worse. In fact, if I were the family, you know again, not knowing much about ketogenic diets, I would have thought like best case scenario were at least slowing down the progression of dementia, I probably would have even thought that there was anything you could do to like actually reverse it. So I'm pretty safe in assuming that all of these people are over the moon with the progress and coming home and the results you've gotten. On the caregiving side. What is that like to see a life transformed from somebody who's demented to now? Like getting the light back and remembering things. It must be very touching, but also a lot easier to provide care right.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, the caregivers are thrilled, yeah, cause you know they deal with people who are incontinent, very overweight, can't get out of bed, you know, worried about hurting their back trying to sit people up. And now they've got this person who gets up on their own and she was getting in the sauna by herself and getting it all set each day. You know they're like all I have to do is sit here and make sure they don't get in trouble. It's wonderful. So you know they're thrilled and I try to tell them. You know, the more success stories that have, the more of those kind of people we're gonna get into the home to take care of, and the easier your job's gonna be. So let's work hard at getting these people well enough that they can get home. Or at least you know better.
Speaker 2:When she was about halfway through her time with us she was with us about six or seven months to do this One of her daughters took her out to lunch or something like that. It was with her three hours and when she drove back she's like mom, you didn't forget a single thing we talked about this whole day, but when she came to us she could barely hold a conversation, like she couldn't remember what she just talked about and she's like it's amazing. So you know, hearing those kind of stories are just so cool.
Speaker 1:That is just amazing. I mean, at the end of the day, the caretaker's gonna make a paycheck doing whatever they need to do during that day, but at the end of the day, what they're doing it for is to help people. That's why they have that caring gene. They want to see people improve. They must feel amazing driving home every single day, knowing that the people that they care for and eventually, I would say, grow to love are having this success.
Speaker 1:And, man, you must sleep real easy at night, knowing that you're doing really good business, you're doing whatever it takes to get it right, regardless of the price of eggs or red meat is, at the time, like you're doing such good work. And to have you back on to check out some of these stories, or visit a few stories and then tell some of the new ones, it's just absolutely wonderful. We're probably gonna have to make this like an annual thing where you're coming back and like talking about everything. That's like going on and how this is changing overall and especially with your own health as well. So, hal, I've really enjoyed go ahead.
Speaker 2:I said, I hope to just keep feeding you success stories.
Speaker 1:I don't think they're gonna be slowing down anytime soon. And if people wanna see this they really do.
Speaker 1:Go to the links. We'll tag it in the show notes, but make sure you follow Hal and A Paradise for Parents on social media so you can actually see it. These people are genuinely happy and feeling better. You see, numbers of blood pressure getting better, like all kinds of stuff is just absolutely astounding. It's not really surprising if you've been in this world for a while, but it's really impressive what you're doing and such a gift for these people. So, hal Cramer, again such a pleasure to catch up with you and chat again. Where would you like people to go to find you and connect with you and your work?
Speaker 2:My website is 8Paradise4FORparentscom. Social media, where a Paradise for Parents assisted living. On Facebook, my Instagram is assisted living Hal Cramer, although I'm not as good at updating that, and then Hal Cramer on Twitter seems to be the one I'm most. I also put together like a lot of people were asking me what can they do at home for your loved one that they're not ready to move into assisted living? So I put together like a little pamphlet of cheap things you can do at home that'll help you ward off dementia. You can go to bringmemorybackcom.
Speaker 2:And then I started sending out like daily emails with just tips and techniques to help elderly people, people with dementia, things like that. It's not medical advice, it's information. We gotta make that disclaimer, but I'm trying to. You know I would love for people to get better at home and not have to move into an assisted living. I know they have to in many cases. So I'm not gonna go out of business anytime soon, but it would be wonderful to help them live the rest of their lives at home, because that's what people really wanna do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's amazing. We'll be sure to tag all of that in the notes. So I was gonna say you're not very good at business, but you're really really good at helping people out and doing things the right way. And yes, you're right, like, of course, we're trying to put people you know, put yourself out of business doing what you do. That's not gonna happen anytime soon, but in the meantime, you're making some real changes in some of these lives and so can't thank you enough for everything you've done. I can't thank you enough for coming back on our show today. We really really appreciate you, huh.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you for evangelizing this lifestyle, because it needs to get out there. So please do what you're doing and thank you for having me.
Speaker 1:We're not slowing down anytime soon. Well, thanks, dude. It's been an honor and this has been another episode of Boundless Body Radio. As always, thank you so very much for listening to Boundless Body Radio. I know I say this all the time, but I really do mean it. It has been such a joy to make and produce this podcast and to watch it grow. Our business started in the pandemic in July of 2020, and we started the podcast in October of 2020. So it has been three years now, and to see that we have generated over 400,000 downloads worldwide is just simply unbelievable to me.
Speaker 1:This year in particular has been such a blast to travel to different health conferences and not only meet some of our amazing guests, but also to meet many of you, our listeners and supporters. We really just can't thank you enough. As always, feel free to book a complimentary 30-minute session on our website, which is myboundlessbodycom. On our homepage, there is a book now button where you can find a time to speak with us about health, fitness, nutrition, whatever you like. We've loved chatting with people all over the world and many of you out there to bounce ideas off each other or to try to come up with plans to achieve specific goals, or even if it's just to reach out to introduce yourselves. We would just love to meet you and connect with you there.
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