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How to Organize Your Home Based on Personality: Insights from Clutterbug Cas Aarssen

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Discover how to organize your home according to your unique personality with organizing expert Cas Aarssen, also known as Clutterbug. In this lively episode, Dr. Christine Li interviews Cas Aarssen about her journey from self-described "super slob" to bestselling author and creator of the Clutterbug organizing philosophy. Learn about the four different organizing styles, the connection between self-belief and clutter, and actionable, ADHD-friendly strategies to declutter and keep your space tidy for good. Find out how understanding your style can save you time, energy, and stress—and why getting organized is possible for everyone.

Timestamps

  • 00:00:00: Dr. Christine Li introduces the episode and guest Cas Aarssen
  • 00:03:33: Cas Aarssen shares her early struggles with clutter and organizing
  • 00:05:32: Turning point: buying bins and finding a new system (~16 years ago)
  • 00:06:26: Discussion of shame, self-belief, and feeling different about clutter
  • 00:07:19: Discovery of different organizing styles, leading to the Clutterbug concept
  • 00:08:14: Overview of the four organizing styles (Clutterbug philosophy)
  • 00:09:53: Biggest benefit reported: more free time after organizing
  • 00:11:30: Addressing recurring, minor clutter issues (e.g., shopping bags)
  • 00:12:12: Practical system: using containers as clutter limits where clutter naturally collects
  • 00:13:27: Mindset shift: Self-kindness and problem-solving over self-criticism
  • 00:16:01: Memory bin strategy for sentimental decluttering
  • 00:18:15: Warrior mindset for decluttering (evicting “squatter” items)
  • 00:20:22: Tips for low-energy declutterers: set goals/numbers and schedule time
  • 00:22:44: Quick rundown of the four Clutterbug types: Butterfly, Bee, Cricket, Ladybug
  • 00:27:43: Clutterbug quiz and free resources information
  • 00:28:27: How Cas Aarssen works with clients and community now
  • 00:29:40: Wrap-up and call to take the quiz and self-compassion

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Dr. Christine Li

Cas Aarssen

Dr. Christine Li [00:00:00]:
Welcome back to the Make Time for Success podcast. This is episode number 285. This episode is a special one because I am joined today by Cassandra Aarssen. I call her Cas and she goes by Cas, I believe, and she also goes by the moniker Clutterbug. She is known worldwide as the organizing expert who helps you transform your home and your life without judgment about your clutter or your efforts to declutter. In this episode, she's going to explain to all of us how she was once a super slob and how she figured out how to coach people of all different types of personalities and organizing styles how to stay tidy. Not only are you going to declutter, but you're going to keep your space decluttered, which is the secret of all secrets. And it's going to be a fun episode indeed.

Dr. Christine Li [00:01:03]:
She is the author of four bestselling books that I want you to know about. They're called Real Life Organizing Cluttered Mess To Organize Success, the Clutter Connection and the Declutter Challenge. Each of these books is packed with practical, ADHD friendly strategies that resonate with busy women and families around the world. What I loved about this episode is Cas is just very honest and open about what works, what she's been through, and what can help you. Let's go enjoy this episode together now. Hi, I'm Dr. Christine Li and I'm a psychologist and a procrastination coach. I've helped thousands of people move past procrastination and overwhelm so they could begin working to their potential.

Dr. Christine Li [00:01:56]:
In this podcast, you're going to learn powerful strategies for getting your mind, body and energy to work together so that you can focus on what's really important and accomplish the goals you want to achieve. When you start living within your full power, you're going to see how being productive can be easy and how you can create success on demand. Welcome to the Make Time For Success Podcast. Hi everyone. Welcome back to the Make Time for Success podcast. Today I am very happy to be able to be joined by and to interview Cas Aarssen. She is the host of the Clutterbug podcast and the Clutterbug Organizing Philosophy is her brainchild and I can't wait to hear more about it. I had the pleasure of being on her podcast a couple days ago.

Dr. Christine Li [00:02:55]:
We did that recording and I just can't wait to dig into Cas's whole system and way of thinking and way of being. Thank you for being here on the show today.

Cas Aarssen [00:03:07]:
Thank you so much for having me I'm excited to be here.

Dr. Christine Li [00:03:10]:
You were such a wonderful interviewer, and you're just very expansive in your thinking. You're very positive in your thinking, and I really love that vibe. And I can't wait to dig into your story here. Can you start us off and let us know how you became the Clutterbug?

Cas Aarssen [00:03:33]:
Yeah, of course. So I've always been messy. I'm a person who struggles with clutter. Still to this day, like, I'm just messy in my core. I'm a clutter bug. And it was really amplified when I got married and had children because I thought as a mom, I just needed more time. And then I became a stay at home mom, and my house looks like Toys R Us vomited everywhere. And I struggled.

Cas Aarssen [00:03:58]:
I struggled to get the dishes done, I struggled to do the laundry. And it was like this, what's wrong with me? Constant feeling. And my husband had tried setting up, like the paper organizing system and doing other kind of organizing systems, and it never stuck. And that's when I really realized that I just organized differently. I needed a less detailed approach. I needed, like, chuck it in a basket and move on kind of thing. And that's where I found success. Like, for the first time in my life, I went to the dollar store, I bought a bunch of dish pans.

Cas Aarssen [00:04:33]:
I'm like, I'm a genius. My house is tidy. I can keep up with it. I started decluttering. And it was really, really life changing because for the first time, I felt in control. For the first time, I. I felt proud of myself. And then every other aspect of my life kind of fell into place too.

Cas Aarssen [00:04:53]:
It was beautiful. And I started helping friends and family and then eventually clients. And then my husband said, here's a camera. Please stop talking about bins and baskets and organizing. Maybe you could put it on YouTube. And before you know it, I had. I had like this thriving career doing the thing that I've always struggled with. It's really amazing, actually.

Dr. Christine Li [00:05:14]:
Terrific, terrific. Congratulations on making that journey and finding that connection within yourself and with your audience. It's fantastic. Could you let me know, just for history's sake? How long ago was that where you bought the bins and everything started coming together?

Cas Aarssen [00:05:32]:
It's been a while. So I would say, like, 16 years ago is when I first had this, like, moment of, oh, I. I can be organized. I just have to do it differently and I just need less stuff and everything just kind of. It's been this slow, organic growth since then.

Dr. Christine Li [00:05:52]:
Okay, terrific. A few things. One Question was in the middle of your story, you ask the question, what's wrong with me? And I'm thinking that that's something that our audience can really, that all of us can connect with from some point in our lives or even the current day. And I'm wondering if you could just speak about that. The whole self belief part of getting things organized, being organized, thinking about being organized, what's the connection?

Cas Aarssen [00:06:26]:
I guess I always thought, like, it shouldn't be this hard, you know, it's like, why everyone else also seemed to have their life under control. So my clutter was like this dirty little secret that I kept. And if we were having company, I would just kind of shove and hide and make things look normal. But I knew I wasn't normal and our home was not normal. No matter how hard I tried, I just couldn't keep it up. I felt like a hamster running on a wheel, you know, and never actually getting anywhere. And yeah, I didn't understand why something that seems so easy for everyone else was so hard for me.

Dr. Christine Li [00:07:03]:
And you realize the answer was that you needed to do things differently, right?

Cas Aarssen [00:07:09]:
Yeah.

Dr. Christine Li [00:07:09]:
So was that the message that hit with so many millions of people that you need to kind of be creative and specific when you're figuring out your own system?

Cas Aarssen [00:07:19]:
Yeah. So what happened was I realized that I organized in a less organized approach than say my husband or traditional organizers. So I thought there was two ways to organize, you know, detailed or non detailed. And then I started helping friends and family and clients. And I came up with this idea of my marketing strategy was, if it doesn't stay organized for 30 days, I'll come back and do it for free. Except then I had to go back and do it for free because it wasn't always staying organized. And then I had already paid for all the, the business cards and printed the flyers that had this slogan on it, you know, my marketing strategy. So I had to like think, well, why does it work for Susan, not Linda? Why does this work for one person and not another? And that's when I really discovered that there were four different organizing styles, not just two, not just detailed and non detailed.

Cas Aarssen [00:08:14]:
Because some people are visual and it's out of sight, out of mind. They have to see it. And other people prefer hidden. And when, you know, if you're a detailed or non detailed and visual or hidden person, then you can set up a home that kind of works for your brain naturally. So how you naturally put things down, you get to set up a system to catch it like that. And I call that the Clutterbug philosophy. And I gave each style like a bug name. And I think that resonated with people who, like me, had tried and failed so many times or people who were just sick of cleaning to have to clean the next day.

Cas Aarssen [00:08:50]:
Like, why are we tidying all the time? Why doesn't it just stay tidy? And I know once you know your style and set up a system that works for that, it stays tidy. Because my clients stopped calling me to come back and organize it for free. Like, that's how I knew I was onto something. And I think that's what really resonates with my followers.

Dr. Christine Li [00:09:11]:
That is beautiful. What do your clients say is the magic that happens when they use your system? What is possible because they figure out which bug they are.

Cas Aarssen [00:09:26]:
I think it's different for every person. But the core thing that everyone says is, I have so much more time now because we spend a lot of time managing our mess. Even people with the messiest homes, they spend the most amount of time dealing with it. Because you're looking for things. You're cleaning, you're moving. You have to. You have to do the dishes before you can cook. You have to clear off the table before you could eat on it.

Cas Aarssen [00:09:49]:
You have to tidy before you can wipe or vacuum. You know, it's like this thing. And when you find a system that it's just as easy to put things away as it is to put it down. So you're putting things away and things are just magically staying tidy, it's like, well, now what do I do? It's 8 o' clock at night and you're like, the house is clean and what do I. I have nothing. And it's this weird, like, suddenly you have hours back in your day kind of feeling. And that's what I hear over and over again from everyone now, how they fill those hours, everybody does differently. But the time gained back.

Cas Aarssen [00:10:21]:
Is that. That thing that unites all of us.

Dr. Christine Li [00:10:24]:
Yeah, I appreciate that. Thank you. I. I've just experienced the impulse to, while I have you on in this interview, to ask you the questions about things that are happening in my own home. I, like you, am not naturally organized. So I think it's fascinating and wonderful that you've had such success with this strategy and that your clients do not have to repeatedly feel the. What is wrong with me? What is. What is going on here? One thing that happens for me, I think, is it's not for lack of desire, but it's the accumulation of, let's Say shopping bags, let's say the grocery bags, even things like that that you wouldn't necessarily even think are pure clutter.

Dr. Christine Li [00:11:11]:
Like they're out of use or useless, but they somehow end up in the wrong place, in a very visible place and cause this at least minor annoyance, if not sometimes a really big annoyance. Could you talk about that? So these are just my personal bugaboos.

Cas Aarssen [00:11:30]:
Yeah. So first of all, like, I'm not sure your organizing style, but knowing your organizing style is super important because if you're visual, out of sight is out of mind. You actually don't want to hide the reusable shopping bags because you'll forget them next time you go to the grocery store, and then you'll have to buy some while you're there. You know what I'm saying?

Dr. Christine Li [00:11:49]:
That's me. Yeah.

Cas Aarssen [00:11:50]:
Okay, so you're. You're visual, but also you don't want to look at ugly, messy clutter. So here's what I would suggest for everyone, but especially for you. Listening first is like, where do you naturally set them down? Just without even, like, you're coming home. Where's this natural spot? Because we say, put them back in the car. I'm too lazy for that. I won't. Maybe sometime.

Cas Aarssen [00:12:12]:
But until then, they'll sit on the counter, you know what I mean, Till I take them back out. So what I did was I put a hook near the back door, which was close to where I naturally set them down. And then because I didn't want to look at them, I had to give myself a limit. So I pick one beautiful bag that matches my decor that I like the look of. And then I can only keep the amount of reusable shopping bags that fit in that bag. That's it. That's my limit. And they belong on that hook.

Cas Aarssen [00:12:41]:
That's easy. So I'm not looking at something ugly all day, and it's looking like a hot mess. And also when it's bulging, I know I have to declutter some. So I allow the container to be the limit. I do this with everything, whether it's batteries or light bulbs or cords and cables or, like office equipment, everything has a container, and that container is the limit. And that container is placed where I would naturally put those things down. So I stopped looking at my mess like, oh, I gotta clean it up. And I start looking at the mess around my house as a map and a guide of like, oh, this is where the home should be, because this is where I'm putting it down.

Cas Aarssen [00:13:19]:
And then how can I adapt my house to catch the clutter in a beautiful, organized, simple way?

Dr. Christine Li [00:13:27]:
As you were talking about that system and the letting your house be your map, I'm going to guess that your internal critical voice probably calmed down a lot in the process of you finding your way through this. Could you give us the history of the critical voice and maybe what happens when you find your system?

Cas Aarssen [00:13:50]:
Yeah, I was definitely the biggest bully to myself for sure, and I still am not always kind to myself, but I started to look at my laziness, and I hate the word lazy, but also I love it. It's. Well, let's just call it what it is as sort of like, instead of a moral failing, I looked at it as, well, you just need to find an easier way. Like, I. How do you problem solve? How do you shortcut this? How do you hack this and that? That could actually be fun. So when I look at a mess in a pile, I'm like, ugh, I just cleaned this up yesterday. Instead of being like, you suck. I'm like, how can I make this so I don't have to do this again tomorrow? Like, what's a different way that I can tackle this to make it so easy that I embrace my laziness but that I don't have to look at a pile and I'll go grab a basket or I'll go grab some hooks, or I'm like, well, I could clear out this drawer underneath and then just shove everything in there.

Cas Aarssen [00:14:49]:
At least I don't have to look at. And so looking at it as like a problem solving instead of a beating myself up was a huge turning point. And so now I'm kind of like, yeah, you're lazy. It's cool, it's fine. How do we embrace this and how

Dr. Christine Li [00:15:04]:
do we make your homework better? Yeah, right.

Cas Aarssen [00:15:06]:
Instead of, like, instead of me trying to change, how do I change my home so that it, that it, Like, I can still be exactly who I am today, but my home works better.

Dr. Christine Li [00:15:17]:
Yeah.

Cas Aarssen [00:15:18]:
All right.

Dr. Christine Li [00:15:18]:
I'm going to shift a little bit to what my clients have. Seem to have a lot of difficulty with. And again, I'm generally in that camp too, is the process of releasing things. So let's say you get a system, you know which bug you are and you know what the task is. And then it's that soccer picture from 10 years ago, and it's on a magnet. And ask me why I'm saying that particular thing. And you don't, you know, you're all of a sudden thrown Back into, in some ways, an emotional chaos. History, memorabilia, all that stuff.

Dr. Christine Li [00:16:01]:
What do you do with that?

Cas Aarssen [00:16:03]:
So the first thing that everyone needs to do, whether you are, like, decluttering sentimental things like you talked about or you're doing any kind of decluttering at all, is any. Everyone in the family needs a memory bin, and that memory bin has to be somewhere close by that's easily accessible, and every family member has their own. So you're looking at that magnet, and you're like, oh, God. You just take it and you throw it in the. Your son or your daughter's memory bin, period. When the memory bin is full, full, full, then we again, like the bag that we have that's bursting. That's our cue. Oh, we need to go through.

Cas Aarssen [00:16:41]:
But you've now given yourself some time. So when you open the memory bin and everything in there is special, you're like, I have 15 soccer magnets. Which one's my favorite or which one is actually worthy of the bin? And it's so much easier to let go of everything in your home when you know that your most special prized possessions are protected and you have a spot to put them that's, like, really easy. So don't put your memory bin in an attic or a basement or something like that. Like, put them somewhere. Clear out a spot in a closet, because this is important. Maybe your kids come home with artwork or a report card or an obituary or someone sends you a beautiful handwritten card. You need a spot to put that immediately that you know it's safe and protected.

Cas Aarssen [00:17:26]:
Because when it's mixed in with everything else, now everything feels sentimental and special and important because you haven't given a place of honor. So a memory bin is step one for each family member. Step two is to find your inner warrior. And this is what I had to do. I had to get mad at the stuff and not myself. I had to stop looking at every stupid thing as, like, what it cost and what it would cost to replace it, and instead look at it as what it's costing me. Is this worthy? Is it worth it? And I. And I used a squatter analogy a lot because when I was younger, my parents had rental property, and they had invited some tenants in.

Cas Aarssen [00:18:15]:
They loved these tenants. They thought that they were great. They were paying their rent, they were doing great. And then eventually they stopped paying their rent, and they started, like, just being in the house, taking and not serving. And then my parents were like, well, I feel bad, and maybe we'll just give them a couple more months. And a couple. And we do this in our own home. We invite something in, we buy it.

Cas Aarssen [00:18:37]:
It's a gift. We. Something we. I don't know, we find. And that maybe it's useful in the beginning. And next thing you know, it's just laying on the couch eating all our snacks. And we got to dust it and move it and clean it. And then we're like, oh, man, I wish the squatter didn't live here, but I feel bad kicking it out.

Cas Aarssen [00:18:54]:
And then we build the mini condominiums and we start putting them in totes for some reason and stacking them in boxes.

Dr. Christine Li [00:19:01]:
Yes.

Cas Aarssen [00:19:02]:
What we really need to do is just evict them. And so I started getting really angry. Like I'm worth more than the junk from Walmart. I'm more important than this stuff. I deserve better. Are you serving me or are you taking from me? Are you giving or you're taking? And if you're taking, you're leaving, period. And I think that rage helped me a lot. And it still helps me.

Cas Aarssen [00:19:28]:
I fight like a warrior for my home. And there's going to be casualties. There'll be things that I'll probably declutter, that I'll be like, oh, man, I wish I would have kept that extra potato masher. Cause my potato masher broke. But at the end of the day, I'm gonna win the battle. And the battle is against the clutter and the stuff. So I have more time and my life is easier.

Dr. Christine Li [00:19:49]:
Yeah. Okay. One related question to the warrior identity is the energy that is required. Because that is the other thing that people feel like there. There's an abundance of clutter, of course, short space, I think, short on time. The other thing is short on energy. And you seem to be on the higher energy side. Is that correct?

Cas Aarssen [00:20:11]:
Yeah. Bursting with energy all the time.

Dr. Christine Li [00:20:15]:
What about people who are thinking they're lazy but also happen to have a lower supply of energy?

Cas Aarssen [00:20:22]:
Yeah, yeah. The warrior doesn't work for everyone. And also, like, I'm a fake. It. I can play pretend all day. I'm like, I'm gonna pretend. And I. I like, will carry a foam sword.

Cas Aarssen [00:20:32]:
Some people find that odd. If that's not your thing, if you're like a slower, lower energy, then you need a more systematic approach to decluttering. And what I honestly recommend is giving yourself a number. So you set a time on your day, like an appointment with yourself. So this Wednesday at 12, I'm going to spend 10 minutes decluttering. And the key for lower energy people is to have a number in mind. So I'm going to find 20 things to leave my house or I'm going to find five things to leave my house. It can be a gum wrapper, it can be an old receipt.

Cas Aarssen [00:21:11]:
There's no pressure. You just need to find this number of things. And why that's really helpful is because you set a date with yourself. So you're gonna show up. And the number stops your brain from overthinking. Because a lot of the times people are lower energy because their brain is going so freaking fast.

Dr. Christine Li [00:21:27]:
Agreed.

Cas Aarssen [00:21:27]:
And they're overthinking and they're overanalyzing and they're over researching, so their body moves slower because their brain is taking so much energy. Giving yourself a number of things shuts that overthinking off. Because now you're in gamification mode, where you're just looking like, okay, well, what else can I find? I'm not making piles. I'm not pulling everything out. I'm just like, oh, here's one thing. I haven't really used it. Okay, that's one. Cool.

Cas Aarssen [00:21:52]:
Now what's two? And you're not thinking about this item. You're trusting your gut because you're focused on the number. It's very helpful.

Dr. Christine Li [00:22:01]:
Terrific. So, Cas, thank you so much for making it feel very accessible and also very fun. Actually, it sounds like getting your time and energy back, getting your space to not be filled with blooming piles of recycling bags. Sounds really wonderful to me. Could you explain the bugs pretty quickly? And then I know you have a free resource to share with our audience about the bugs, so go ahead.

Cas Aarssen [00:22:33]:
Yes. So it's a combination of how you naturally sort and how you naturally store. So first of all, take your fantasy self out of the equation and think about yourself on, like, your worst day.

Dr. Christine Li [00:22:44]:
Right.

Cas Aarssen [00:22:44]:
You're just like, you're thinking like we're going with your baseline natural tendency. Are you a detailed person or a non detailed person? And what I mean by this is, do you actually take time to open a lid or put something away because you want to find it fast? That's a detailed person. Their brain naturally thinks in categories and they're craving categories. Or do you need to just put it away fast and you don't mind taking a few seconds to dig through a bin? So here's the example. Bathroom medication. Like, do you like. Well, antacids. Have a container.

Cas Aarssen [00:23:19]:
And allergy. Have a container and pain reliever. I want those sorted. If I'm done taking an aspirin, I'll put it back with pain reliever. Or do you just want a big old bin that says medicine? And if you have a headache, you'll dig and find the Tylenol. You just want to chuck it back in really, really fast. So detailed versus non detailed. And then we have visual.

Cas Aarssen [00:23:37]:
So out of sight, out of mind. You want to see your things or you'll forget. Or hidden. Looking at everyday stuff stresses you out. You want it all tucked away. You'll remember what you have that makes up the four styles. So a butterfly is visual but non detailed. Think pure ADHD creativity, fluttering from flower to flower, but not really having a lot of structure because structure doesn't work for them.

Dr. Christine Li [00:24:05]:
I think that's me. I think I'm a butterfly. By the way.

Cas Aarssen [00:24:09]:
Love it. Okay, so a butterfly is opposite of traditional organization in every way. So they struggle because it's not like you can go to the store or see something on, you know, social media and just copy that. That's not going to work for you. Because again, Marie Kondo is the opposite of the way you organize. That's a butterfly. The second is very visual. It's called a bee.

Cas Aarssen [00:24:34]:
Very visual, like a butterfly, but meticulous and detailed. So think about a bee, you know, a beehive and how bees work. They never visit the same flower twice. They're methodical, they take time. They like mathematical perfection. Same thing with the organizer. They want a really structured, detailed system. But at has to be seen.

Cas Aarssen [00:24:54]:
They have to see or they forget. Then we have a cricket, which is a traditional organizer. And I named it this because if you think of a cricket, you never see them, right? You hear them, but you don't see them. So hidden organization, but very detailed like a bee, very methodical, lots of categories. They want everything sorted into different, sort of. That is the traditional way when you think of organization. Put things in alphabetical order, color coordinate your filing cabinet, fold in little triangles. Marie Kondo is a cricket.

Cas Aarssen [00:25:27]:
And then last but not least, we have a ladybug who is hidden, wants everything out of sight, but they are not detailed. They chuck and hide and shove. So their home probably looks tidy on the outside, but inside is like a hot mess, you know, sandwich. So they need quick, easy, simple solutions that they can toss away. Quick, like a butterfly. But have things behind closed doors or in solid containers so they don't see anything. And there are compromises. Obviously not everyone can go into just four categories.

Cas Aarssen [00:25:58]:
You might be a little bit of this here and a little bit of that there. But knowing your natural State is what matters. So if you do have a spot that, like, always is messy, and you're like, why is this always messy? If you can incorporate the way you naturally put things down and set up a system that catches that, you're way more likely to use it and maintain it because you're not fighting against your natural. You don't have to change yourself at all. You just make little tweaks to your home.

Dr. Christine Li [00:26:25]:
Beautiful. Beautiful. I love this. And what style are you?

Cas Aarssen [00:26:30]:
I'm a ladybug.

Dr. Christine Li [00:26:31]:
You're a ladybug. Okay.

Cas Aarssen [00:26:32]:
Yeah. I'm a. I'm a shover and a hider.

Dr. Christine Li [00:26:35]:
Okay. Okay.

Cas Aarssen [00:26:36]:
I love it.

Dr. Christine Li [00:26:37]:
And I was noting in myself how badly I wanted to be a cricket, how I want to be the traditionally organized person. But I really appreciate the fact that we have different styles, just like we have different personalities as people. It is. Okay.

Cas Aarssen [00:26:54]:
Yeah. And even as a visual organizer, like as a butterfly, you can have a beautiful, organized home that feels calm, but the things you use every day, you see. And if everything's visual, nothing's visual. Right. So we can only make the things visual that you use and touch and will forget about and everything else you can put away. You're not going to forget your own underwear if the underwear in the drawer kind of thing.

Dr. Christine Li [00:27:16]:
Yeah.

Cas Aarssen [00:27:16]:
But realizing this, like, you're like, oh, okay, there's nothing wrong with me. I'm not a slob. It's just I organize differently. How can I now problem solve and adjust my home to work for me instead of against me?

Dr. Christine Li [00:27:31]:
Terrific. Terrific. Can you share with us how our lovely audience can access that wonderful quiz to see what version of Clutterbug they are?

Cas Aarssen [00:27:43]:
Yeah, you can go to clutterbug.com and right there you'll see quiz. The quiz. So you could take the quiz. It's totally free. You don't even have to enter your email. You'll find out your organizing style. And there's a free ebook that you can download that gives you lots of pictures and advice and examples. And there's free Pinterest boards with hundreds of examples of systems that will work for you just to inspire you and kind of like solidify.

Cas Aarssen [00:28:09]:
Like, oh, yeah, I could use that in my mud room. Or I could do that in my kitchen. And you know it's going to actually work.

Dr. Christine Li [00:28:16]:
Beautiful, Beautiful. Could you also describe how you work with your clients? Is it in a community? Small groups, courses? What do you have? All of it.

Cas Aarssen [00:28:27]:
So. Well, I used to work one on one with clients, and I don't anymore. So I usually just teach on YouTube and then I volunteer once a month for someone in my community. I do a free makeover for them and I provide all the supplies that cost them nothing. And I'll do one free virtual makeover with one of my followers. I also have a course, though, that walks you through step by step that explains, you know, how to diagnose your style, how to zone your home, how to set it up so it actually stays organized. That's called the Clutterbug method. But you can also get free advice just following me on YouTube, right? There's such a beautiful community there for Clutterbug that that's totally free.

Cas Aarssen [00:29:08]:
And yeah, we just, all of us are just trying to figure it out together.

Dr. Christine Li [00:29:13]:
Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Thank you. Thank you. So grateful to have you here. So grateful for your wisdom and your joy about this. And thank you for the service to everyone who has struggled with this very common, very understandable issue that really makes us feel like we need to be warriors to defeat. So thank you for being the best warrior.

Dr. Christine Li [00:29:35]:
I appreciate you.

Cas Aarssen [00:29:37]:
Oh, thank you. And thank you for having me here.

Dr. Christine Li [00:29:40]:
All right, everyone, thank you for listening to us. Do us a favor and take the quiz and then take it easy on yourself and then happily declutter what needs to leave your home. It is okay and it is time. And you'll get your time right back. Thanks so much and we will see you next week on the Make Time for Success podcast. Take care. Bye. Thank you for listening to this episode of the Make Time for Success podcast.

Dr. Christine Li [00:30:09]:
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Dr. Christine Li [00:30:45]:
Talk to you soon.