DOM Ep383 - Who Is the I-70 Killer?

In this episode we cover the mystery of the I-70 Killer- an unidentified man who murdered half a dozen people across several states during a 2 month period in 1992. 

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Transcript

Ivan: 
Hey Joe, what do you got for us tonight?

Joe:Tonight we're discussing a string of murders that occurred along the I-70 corridor from Indiana to Kansas over a 2 month span in 1992.

The man responsible has been aptly named the I-70 Killer.

But despite the intense efforts of multiple agencies across several states as well as the FBI, the identity of the cold hearted killer who took at least 6 lives is still a mystery.

Sparky Newcastle: Ever since the earth has circled the sun, there have been fantastic tales of wonder and mystery that the fate of heart dare not discuss.

But three brave, uninformed souls have the brass to tackle every extraordinary happenstance from the modern age to the dawn of Mantis.

Ivan: Welcome to Dawn of Mantis, True Crime, Mysteries, and more.

I'm Ivan with Joe and Sam.

How are you guys doing today?

Joe:

Fantastical.

Sam:

Doing really good.

Joe:

So shall we carry on with the tail?

The saga, The saga of the I-70 killer.

Let's roll.

First off, let's just talk about I-70 for a little while.

Ivan:

It's an Interstate.

Joe:

Any high highway or geography buffs out there?

This is your time.

Ivan:

It's going to be a highway that goes through multiple states.

Is am I correct?

Joe:

That is absolutely correct.

Ivan:

Excellent.

I listen to the last the last episode.

Joe:

Interstate Correct I-70 is a major Interstate highway that runs over 2000 miles east to West across this great nation.

It traverses through 10 states, beginning in Cove, Fort, Utah, and then traveling through Colorado, Kansas, Missouri, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, West Virginia and Pennsylvania before ending in Baltimore, MD.

Ivan:

Man, that's a lot of Interstate.

Joe:

A long trek that's interweaving through several states.

Constructed from 1957 to 1992, it has become vital to travel in the US and carries more than 400 million vehicle trips per year.

Ivan:

Wow.

Joe:

As we learn from the Disney film Cars, after an Interstate is carved through or near a town, businesses flock to set up shop along it's well travelled route.

It makes perfect business sense.

Thus, much of I-70 is flanked by all manner of businesses like truck stops, convenience stores, clothing stores, shoe stores, gift shops, restaurants, and the like.

Unfortunately, several of these businesses would become the scenes of horrific murders over a 2 month period in the spring of 1992.

The crimes occurred in three states scattered along a 700 mile stretch, so it took a while for detectives to make the connection.

But eventually, departments began talking with each other, sharing information and crime scene details, and a clear pattern emerged.

Ivan:

Two months and it was done.

Joe:

Yeah, that was it.

Well, we'll get in.

We'll get into it later.

But there's other ones that occurred afterwards that they think may be attributed to the I-70 killer, but we don't know.

Gotcha.

The ones that were occurred within these two-month spans because of forensics and stuff we absolutely know.

Ivan:

Okay, okay, very good.

Joe:

It's not conjecture or guess.

Ivan:

Excellent.

Joe:

To many, it became apparent that a serial killer was at work.

Even after more than three decades of multiple investigations, the I-70 killer has yet to be identified.

The Tragic Murder of Robin Fuldauer

So let's talk about the first murder that spurred this thing off.

Ivan:

Sounds good.

Joe:

In 1992, Robin Sarah Fuldauer was 26 years old, a recent graduate of Indianapolis University and a manager at the Payless Shoe Source location at 7325 Pendleton Pike in Indianapolis.

This is only two miles off of I-70.

She was bright, kind, and had aspirations of one day getting married and having children.

On April 8th, she went to work as usual, but it was a very slow day.

She was the only employee in Payless that day and for much of the time she was the only person in the entire store.

On days like this, Robin's regional manager would give her a call every once in awhile just to check up on her and see how things were going.

That person placed a call around 2:00 PM that afternoon, but got no answer.

This is the regional manager.

They called again, no answer.

After several more unanswered calls, the district manager became concerned enough to call the Speedway gas station next door and ask one of their employees, Lucretia Gullet, to walk over and check on Robin.

Now remember, this is the days for cell phones and all that shit.

So that's what you had to do.

You're like, oh, what's it?

What's nearby?

Ivan:

Yeah.

Joe:

So when Lucretia walked over there, she went into a completely empty, deathly quiet store.

The cash register was open, most of the money gone.

Suspecting A robbery, Lucretia ran back to Speedway gas station and called the police.

Around 3:00 PM, the Minneapolis PD rolled up to the scene.

So other than the cash register being open, everything else in the building was untouched and nothing else looked disturbed until they entered a back storage room.

There they found the body of Robin Fuldauer.

She had been shot twice in the back of the head.

Even though it was soon determined that less than $100 had been taken, robbery was the initial suspected motive for the crime.

Ivan:

Just going to say Rob a Payless.

I mean, it's on the side.

They're paying less for these shoes, people.

Joe:

Yeah, man.

Go to a Footlocker, Rob.

A Footlocker.

Ivan:

That's locked up.

Joe:

That's in the that's in the name, too.

You can't do that.

Oh, I went into a Foot Locker with my daughter once to get cleats for whatever sport she was in, and I was so pissed off.

We just walked out.

They want so much money for shoes.

Ivan:

You're right.

I mean, it's it'd be a better place to rob, but turns out that's probably not the motive.

Joe:

No, the register showed the last transaction had taken place at 1:12 PM for the purchase of a pair of men's shoes and a pair of women's shoes.

It is not known if the person who made that transaction was the killer, but that was the final transaction.

Ivan:

Today you'd know it.

Without a doubt you would.

It would be all over a debit card or something.

Joe:

But this was, what, 92 what I say?

Yeah.

Yep.

One of the first exercises of the investigation was to question everyone in the surrounding businesses, and detectives soon hit pay dirt.

Across the street from Payless was a paint store, and the manager of that store said he had seen a slender white male in a green coat walking on Pendleton Pike shortly before the robbery slash murder had occurred.

The man looked ragged and dishevelled, like a hitch hiker in the middle of a long run.

He carried a very large bag and rifled through it after he sat down on the curb right across from Payless.

The paint store manager claimed that this odd man remained on that curb and stared at the Payless Shoe Source store for about the next 30 minutes.

He also appeared to have been talking to himself and giggling at nothing.

Mind you, the manager was working, so he didn't just, like, you know, have time to sit there and watch the man closely.

He only gave him a glance whenever he happened to walk by the outs.

You know, the side of that store to look out the window.

At about 2:00 PM, he walked by, looked out at the curb again, but this time the strange man was gone.

This was 2:00 PM.

Just a few minutes later, the manager was surprised to see the man back out by the road, this time with his thumb out, attempting to hitch a ride.

Then sometime before 3:00 or so, less than an hour later, he noticed the man was gone and also that there was a flurry of police sirens screaming in the distance.

So, you know, we've already established that by three.

They were there looking at the store, the cops.

So of course, there's no way to know for sure.

But for obvious reasons, it has always been suspected that the strange man milling around Payless that day is the person who robbed the store and took Robin's life.

There was an intense investigation, and Payless put up a $5000 reward.

This was 1992.

So in today's money, that would be $700 billion.

Ivan:

It'd be a lot be a lot of Payless shoes.

Joe:

However, even as we sit here today, 34 years later, no one knows for certain who did this.

And this is just the first of several murders that are suspected to have been committed by the I-70 killer.

It's.

Ivan:

Just the worst type of case.

The perp doesn't know the victim right?

Just a random act of violence.

It's so tough to solve this.

Joe:

Yeah, because, you know, what is it motive is such a huge part of of, you know, what helps them catch these people.

That's the, I've said it before, if anyone was going to commit the perfect murder, it would be just on a completely random stranger, you know what I mean?

Yes.

Double Homicide at Le Bride de Elegance

So before the dust had even settled on this initial crime scene, just like two or three days later on April 11th in Wichita.

Now this is 700 miles West of Robbins murder scene, Wichita, KS, a shop owner named Patricia Majors and an employee named Patricia Smith.

So the two Patricias, we're working at the Le Bride de Elegance bridal shop.

OK, Le Bride de elegance.

Ivan:

Nailed.

Joe:

Nailed it.

Around 6:00 PM there were three people in the store, 2 African American women and a white male. 6:00 PM is when the bridal shop closed.

So the two female customers, they left.

You know that's what you do when you're a nice person, you see?

Oh, this is their closing time.

Let's stop browsing and we'll leave.

Ivan:

Yes.

Joe:

However, as they would later state in an interview that I said I found the interview on TV from a news clip is pretty cool, the male customer lagged behind. close to half an hour later, a customer showed up to pick up an accessory for his tuxedo because the both Patricias had earlier in the day agreed to stay in the store past clothing closing.

That is to accommodate him, right?

So normally they would have took off at six.

They were there late when the man showed up.

He was greeted at the front door, not by the Patricias, but a man holding a gun.

The man ordered the customer to go into the back of the store, but the customer said hell no.

Ivan:

Yeah, no, I'm good.

He.

Joe:

Literally is like no, I'm not doing that.

After failed attempts, many failed attempts at intimidating the guy into going to the back of the store, the gunman finally gave up and yelled.

Then just get out.

Props to the guy who showed up late with his like I'm not going to the back of the store with you.

Ivan:

Yeah, don't go to the second location.

Joe:

Never.

Even at gunpoint, he was just like, I'm not doing that.

Ivan:

No, I'm good.

Joe:

I'm good here.

And so, you know, he was told to get out and he obliged.

He ran the hell out of there.

So here's what's crazy, and I wish it had to happen this way, but it did.

And like, I would be shaken up to like if I went into a store just to buy a cumber bun and a guy put a gun to my head and told me to get in the back, I would be shook up too.

But this guy was so shaken up and, you know, knocked off his rocker by this interaction, he didn't compose himself for like an hour to call police.

An hour went by before he called police.

Now you can make him any judgement you want.

I don't.

I have no opinion.

I do.

I kind of have it.

I'm kind of like you should have called.

Ivan:

But totally totally should have called it.

But I get what you're saying.

Joe:

I'm trying to play devil's advocate even though everything in my body is screaming like why didn't?

Sam:

You just call.

Ivan:

Yeah, it would have been good, but man, I've never had that happen.

Joe:

Me neither.

So how do I know?

Right?

How do I know?

But yeah, so like an hour later, little over an hour later, he finally calls the Wichita PD.

And so after he calls, of course, they show up.

Shortly after, police arrived to find the shops door unlocked with the keys still dangling and locked, and the lights inside were off.

The register was open and a small amount of cash was gone.

In the back of the shop, they discovered both Patricia Majors and Patricia Smith lying in large pools of blood.

They had both been shot in the back of the head.

Majors was dead on arrival, but Patricia Smith was still clinging to life, although she did pass away shortly after being taken to the hospital.

After speaking with the two female customers and the man who'd shown up late to pick up his cumber, bond, police were able to put together a description of the killer as follows.

White male, short red hair, aged 22 to 32, standing about 5-7 with a slender build, probably weighing about 150 lbs.

So he was a little guy?

Yeah, little Ginger.

He had stubble on his face and was wearing a brown jacket with dark pants.

Police would later theorize that one of the Patricia's may have been in the back of the store during closing, leading the man to believe that after the two female customers left, he was, you know, there was only one female in the building, Patricia Majors, or could have been Patricia Smith, one of them.

But his MO was usually to go after one female.

As police were ramping up their investigation into the bridal shot murders.

The I-70 Killer's Only Male Victim

The next slaying attributed to the I-70 killer took place a little more than two weeks later and 600 miles east in Terre Haute IN Wow.

Michael McCown was a 40 year old musician, a bass player in fact.

I know a bass player slain.

I know dis penalty cuts close to.

Ivan:

That reservation that really strikes a chord.

It really does.

It really does, doesn't it?

Yeah, I don't want to have to riff on this guy.

Joe:

OK, I thought I would try, but OK.

Yeah.

He was a bass player, well known in the region through the countless local gigs he had played with his band.

I tried to find the name of the band.

I tried to fight anything else about it because I just was curious and I didn't find anything.

So man.

But his mother, Sylvia, owned A and operated A ceramic store, fittingly called Sylvia Ceramics.

Cool.

So that's a that name.

It just tells you right there who owns it and what it is.

Ivan:

Yeah, I like.

Joe:

It you don't have to wonder, but she had retired and sold the business to him five years earlier.

The store is no longer there, but used to sit at the corner of US Hwy. 41 and Turner St.

This is just blocks north of I-70.

So Michael had a doctor's appointment that morning and afterward had considered taking the day off.

Why didn't you, Michael?

You'd just, you'd still be alive.

Unfortunately, he decided to go to work.

In this case, there were no witnesses, no one else was in the store, and no one noticed anyone in particular walking towards or away from the store that day.

We only know that Michael was found dead there, shot in the back of the head.

Most sources claim no money was taken, but I found one credible source that reported that there was money missing from the till and even Michael's wallet.

Sam:

A customer entering this ceramic store made the horrible discovery this afternoon.

Just inside the front window of Sylvia's Ceramics lay a man's body. 40 year old Michael McCown, the shop's owner, suffered a single gunshot wound to the head.

Vigo County Coroner Dr. Roland Core says beyond that, details are sketchy.

Joe:

I really can't tell that this is not the ideal circumstance to investigate the wounded awkward place partially covered by hairline, so I try to estimate range of fires really hard at this time.

Sam:

Police officers investigating the homicide combed both the inside and outside of the store for clues that might help unravel the mystery.

Joe:

We've conducted some neighborhood canvassing and we're still in the process of that and, and just hope for some sort of lead to give us some direction.

Sam:

Newport says a search of Mccowan's home turned up a date, book of names and addresses.

Police say they'll be contacting people who knew the man to piece together his life.

Meanwhile, family members of Michael McCown are now asking why his life had to end it all, a question police hope they can answer soon.

Sean Quisenberry, Action 10 News Terra Haute.

Joe:

Yeah, so police theorize the killer chose that location because the store's name, Sylvia Ceramics, obviously suggest there was a female owner and possibly the only person inside.

Instead, the I-70 killed his only male victim.

We think it was a fluke.

Ivan:

Yeah, I keep thinking they should know these are related by now, but there's no way.

Especially in the 90s.

Yeah.

I mean, even that episode Lonnie wrote for us talks about how the IT became kind of a thing later.

Yeah, where they started figuring out a network to work.

Joe:

Highway initiative, Yeah, I thought about that too.

Ivan:

Yeah.

So, yeah, I was just thinking like, why didn't, why didn't they immediately think, oh, it's another victim.

But yeah, obviously it's 600 miles away like you said.

Joe:

I watched a bunch of YouTube clips and and listen to other things and read.

Most of the other sources will tell you that the killer mistakenly took Michael McCown for a female because he had long hair.

But I found a couple sources, and it's from the family that stated that not long prior to the murder, he had cut his hair short.

He had short hair.

Oh, yeah.

So you know, even though most most sources will tell you almost all of them.

Ivan:

Because they see the one picture.

Joe:

Yeah, you know, I really I shouldn't be.

Ivan:

This really grinds my gear.

Joe:

This does grind my gears.

We're a small podcast, you know, we have some loyal listeners, but we don't have a huge, huge, you know, we're not like hundreds and hundreds of thousands.

What really upsets me is when I'm like doing research and I'll find a YouTube channel or some podcast that's like 1/2 a million viewers and then I'll read or like I'll watch a little clip of that they posted and, and all the comments under are like, you know, this is amazing.

The the dedication you do to your research and half the shit they put in there is wrong.

It just, it does grind my gears.

I've seen so many things where it's like, you know, because of the guys long hair, they thought it was this and that.

And this one guy in particular won't name his channel.

He got like I watched a 5 minute clip, he got four things wrong in it.

And yes, under my own name.

I did leave a message that was like, OK, First off, I 70s not right there.

It's way up here.

Second off, he had short hair.

But this guy has like hundreds of thousands of subscribers and I'm just like, it really upsets me.

I don't know.

I just don't know how many times on this podcast I've had to read, you know, most sources to say this, but actually it was this, you know, if you just dig a little deeper, if you just dig a little deeper.

Ivan:

Maybe you're just better at like, sticking with the ones that aren't once removed or twice removed, you know what I mean?

Sam:

Love a little stronger.

Joe:

Dig a little deeper.

Oh, I knew it.

Ivan:

Normally I always catch with.

Joe:

Diamond Rio.

I knew the second I did.

You see how fast Sam snapped his head around and looked at me?

Ivan:

No, I was looking your way so I didn't see it.

But good job, Sam.

I missed one that you caught.

Good job.

Joe:

Again, again, not saying that like my research is perfect, but I think of a lot of circumstances where I caught other people that it was way off.

Ivan:

Yeah, Oh yeah, we've talked about it before.

First Links in the I-70 Killer Case

So the next murder would occur only six days after Michael Mccowns, 180 miles West of Terre Haute.

And that was at the Bogey Hill Shopping Plaza in St.

Charles, MO.

The shopping center is right off.

I 7024 year old Nancy Kitzmiller was supposed to be off work that day.

It was a Sunday but she had agreed to work at Boot Village to cover a shift for a Co worker who wanted a day off.

Again, a second time where someone almost didn't go into work, but they did.

She was a graduate of OSU in Oklahoma and love to dance and play soccer.

Her major in college was geography, and she had just interviewed for a job with the Defense Mapping Agency in nearby Saint Louis.

Sam:

Yeah, I mean, it's just right across the river from Saint Louis.

Joe:

OK, so it is close.

I didn't know.

Yeah, Nancy clocked in and opened the store at noon. 2 1/2 hours later she was found dead in the back of the store, shot in the back of the head.

The money from the register was gone, however, Nancy's purse remained untouched.

Nancy Kitzmiller was shot to death inside a Saint Charles County boot store, shot execution style in the back of her head with a 22 caliber pistol.

She wasn't even supposed to be at work that day.

She was filling in for another employee.

Just weeks earlier, a robbery had occurred at the Hallmark store in that same Plaza.

In that case, the robber had forced the employees into a backroom and sprayed them with Mace.

There were a few witnesses who had seen a man enter Boot Village not long after it had opened that day.

A composite was made of the man and compared to the man who had robbed the Hallmark store the previous month and sprayed the Mace.

It wasn't a match, however, it did match another composite, the one made of the man suspected of killing the two Patricias in Wichita on April 11th.

Here's where we get our first connection.

Ivan:

Gotcha, I was going to ask when they would piece it together.

Joe:

By this point, police from various agencies were beginning to suspect several of the recent murders may be connected and there was a serial killer stalking I70.

The Final Confirmed Victim and Unique Gun

The final confirmed murder of the I-70 killer took place just four days later on May 7th in Raytown.

Ivan:

You talking about from Mama's family?

Joe:

I knew it.

That's why I paused.

I had, because I was listening to an old episode of ours the other day where one of us brought up Mama's family and you remembered the name of the town was Raytown.

Course.

Ivan:

I remember that, how would I not?

Joe:

Sam and I were just like, wow.

Ivan:

Raytown.

Joe:

Raytown, Yeah.

What's the mother, Mama?

But yeah, Raytown, a suburb of Kansas City, MO, a little more than 200 miles from Boot Village.

Ivan:

You know what?

As impressive as you think that was that I remembered the name of the town.

Yeah, I'm just today years old when I realized it's a real town.

Joe:

In Missouri, I guess.

Ivan:

Right.

I, I didn't know it was real.

I just thought they made it up for the show.

Joe:

Was this?

I wonder if it was supposed to be in Missouri, this Raytown, MO, right?

Was it?

Ivan:

Next you're going to tell me Springfield is a real thing from The Simpsons, right?

Is that what you're going to tell me?

Joe:

Ivan, there's a Springfield MO.

I am not even joking.

Ivan:

I think there's a Springfield, IL.

Joe:

There is, there is.

Sarah Blessing was a 37 year old published children's book author and had also published some poetry.

She was basically a hippie, really into natural remedies, spirituality, all that stuff.

Crystals.

Just three weeks prior, she'd opened a store in the Woodson Village Shopping Center called The Store of Many Colors.

Ivan:

OK.

Joe:

There she sold herbs, crystals, books on spirituality, etcetera.

Sarah opened her store at noon that day.

Most of the day was uneventful until a fellow owner within the Plaza noticed an odd looking man wandering around his store before going outside and continuing to sort of wander around aimlessly in the parking lot for a while 15 minutes later.

Tim Hickman, owner of a video rental store in the Plaza, notice that same man in his store.

After a few awkward minutes, the guy exited the video store, turned right and walked towards the last business on that side of the Plaza, which was, yes, Sarah's store, the store of many colors.

Just a few minutes after that, Tim heard gunfire and saw that same man run out of Sarah's store and around the Plaza, where a short grassy hill LED up to a Rd.

Other witnesses would later recall seeing the man walking briskly down Woodson Rd. before turning E on 59th St. and eventually to I-70, which was two or three miles from the scene.

Tim ran into the store and found Sarah lying dead from a bullet wound to the back of the head.

When police arrived minutes later, they found a register empty.

Tim said as the man left the scene, he appeared calm and cool, like he didn't even have a care.

That's a quote from Tim.

Ballistics from the previous murders had just been matched.

They all had been killed by the same 22 caliber weapon most likely.

And here's where it gets crazy.

A World War One era German Irma work pistol.

This thing was like a collector's item.

Ivan:

Wow.

Joe:

It should have been under glass somewhere, not just belonging to some.

Sam:

It belongs in a museum.

Ivan:

Very good.

Maybe we should have the sound effect every time we say that quote.

It did Love it.

I love it.

Joe:

That's what they thought it was.

All the bullets also showed traces of corundum and rogue substances commonly used for grinding, buffing, and polishing various metals, including guns, gun barrels and stuff.

So this guy used a rare World War One era gun and bullets that had remnants of polishing alloys.

Was he possibly an antique gun collector?

That was one question, right?

Police were now absolutely certain the I-70 corridor was being stalked by a full-fledged serial killer.

Authorities in those departments now believe all six of the murders are connected, According to police in Raytown, Ballistics information has linked the double homicide in Wichita on April 8th to the four prior murders.

Kansas City authorities confirmed that by telephone today.

Yes, one the 8th in Indianapolis and then crossed the I'm going to say it's probably about 350 miles to Wichita, KS and then back to Terry Hill, Indiana on the 27th of April and then St.

Charles, MO.

Saint Charles authorities participated in today's meeting as well.

Well, this particular person is mobile is is quite obvious.

So that makes it very difficult to to catch someone like that.

But we do have the capability of comparing our notes with those of the investigators in other cities.

A4 state alert is currently in place for the gunman, who authorities now believe may be a hitchhiker.

We haven't had any information that he's been seeing in the vehicle.

Ivan:

Yeah, how does someone just sound like they're from the 90s to step aside from the case?

Not that we ever do that, but that guy, the reporter just sounded like so 1994 to talk about the case again, That's what you're here for.

I think John Douglas would have something to say about every victim faced away from the guy and they shot him in the back of the head.

He would add that to the profile, something about, you know, he couldn't face the victim.

You know, I couldn't look him in the eyes when he killed him because I heard, I remember him saying something about another FBI case that was like that.

Oh, the one about turning pictures over in the house.

Joe:

Ohio.

Yeah.

They felt like they did.

They were watching or what?

Yeah, yeah.

Ivan:

That might have been from a movie, I can't remember.

Joe:

Well, no.

Yeah, there's killers like that and then killers that specifically like to watch the light fade out of the eyes.

I think maybe Ted Bundy was one of those.

Oh.

Ivan:

Man, that's creepy.

Joe:

Yeah, it is very creepy.

They enjoyed watching their particularly enjoyed watching the victim's face as the light faded.

Yeah, right.

I mean, come on.

Ivan:

That's some dark stuff.

Suck.

Yeah.

Anyway, yeah, so they're finally connecting these things, Ballistics.

And they think the guy's a hitchhiker.

Joe:

Yes, they do and, and many people still do.

Well, officially, Sarah Blessing was the I-70 killer's final victim officially, but many doubt this.

See, the authorities released the information about the weapon, so isn't it possible the killer simply switched to a different gun?

Ivan:

Yeah, totally.

Joe:

It is like after they made it public that, you know, they knew that he was using this.

And by the way, it was this World War One era German gun.

There was another possibility or there was a different gun.

There was one of two that it could have been linked to.

But I think most favored the German era gun just to be fully transparent.

But yeah, once the info came out that it was linked to that gun, no more murders were committed with that gun that they could test, you know?

So to me, yeah, it's like, did he stop or did he watch the news like everybody and think, oh shit, I will just switch guns now.

You know, they know.

They know that's me.

That's what I think.

Or he could have and as well move to a a different hunting ground.

Or did he really just up and quit killing people and resume a normal life?

Ivan:

Who knows?

Did he go to jail?

Joe:

Did he die?

Understanding the I-70 Killer's Modus Operandi

Well, here's what we know for certain.

The same killer is responsible for the deaths of Robin Fuldauer, Patricia Majors, Patricia Smith Smith, Michael McCown and Nancy Kitzmiller, as well as Sarah Blessing.

They connected all them forensically.

So the absolutely the same killer or the same gun, which is the same killer, killed all all of those people.

He was a white male, fairly small guy, standing 57, weighing 150.

Like I said earlier, reddish or sandy blonde hair in several accounts.

The man would mumble and giggle to himself, so mental illness could have definitely played a factor.

He targeted women, usually alone, and seem to only take a small amount of cash from the registers.

The investigation into the I-70 killer murders was excruciatingly slow.

This was 34 years ago.

There weren't CCTV cameras on every store and shop.

There wasn't, you know, Ring doorbell cameras at most homes.

There wasn't toll booth cameras, cell phones, tower pings.

Sam:

Those investigators got to do some investigating.

Ivan:

Yeah.

Joe:

They really have their work cut out a lot more.

I mean, a guy could move around undetected much easier back then.

Much easier.

Sam:

Just think of how many people you got to talk to that might be eyewitnesses that could give you a description.

Ivan:

And even then, they're describing a stranger in town, you know?

I mean, even if they do give you the best description that you could ever ask for, it's someone just passing through.

Yeah.

It's Christopher Lloyd and Dennis the Menace.

Oh.

Joe:

My God, yeah.

Ivan:

I mean, it's not a good situation.

Joe:

No.

And we've talked about I witnessed testimony before.

Ivan:

Well, that too, yeah, that's not so.

You got to have something that ties that person to that victim and there's just nothing other than a happenstance walking in their door.

Joe:

Yeah, what are you supposed to do with that?

1990s detectives, right?

Ivan:

I almost think this is solvable because if you look to intake of prisoners around that date, course you've got to look at 7 states it.

Joe:

Was a big.

Ivan:

But if you look at like, I don't know, I've I just wonder if a guy could get online and type in hitchhiker struck by semi trucker, you know, or you know, it's like a dangerous life being a hitchhiker.

It is.

Joe:

So the detectives, they didn't have much to go on, but they did pull tollbooth records from all over I-70, as well as hotel records from places where the killer maybe would have stayed, you know, hotels around I-70.

They also interviewed hundreds of people and processed thousands of tips.

As we know, no clear suspect ever emerged despite this effort.

Donald Waterhouse, Robert Cox, and Herb Bohmeister

However, there have been a few who piqued their interest.

So let's go over a couple of possible.

Ivan:

So they actually have suspects.

Joe:

Couple.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, they may have been all eliminated by now, but for a short time, a guy named Donald Waterhouse was suspected to be the I-70 killer you see back on February 29th.

And yes, February 29th.

There was one that year because 1992 was a leap year.

Ivan:

Oh.

Joe:

Before someone's like there's only 28 like in February, asshole.

Ivan:

Someone with a retainer.

Joe:

No, that year they were 29.

I looked it up.

OK.

Sam:

Somebody from South Park.

Joe:

Stan's older sister.

Is that who it was?

Or Kyle, one of them, One of them's older sister.

Yeah, yeah, we never turd.

Shut up turd.

Anyway.

Ivan:

I think it's Stan's, yeah.

Joe:

So there was 29 days in February that year, a 37 year old man named Donald Waterhouse murdered his mother and stepfather and their home in Bagoda, Tennessee.

He shot them both in the head with a 22 caliber weapon with casings very similar to those used by the I-70 killer.

Donald fled after killing his parents and went on the loose during the two-month I-70 killer murder spree.

So during that spree, he was on the run after killing his parents unaccounted for.

Ivan:

Whoa, what rolled them out?

Anything.

Joe:

Yeah, I don't remember, but we'll get to it.

It's been a while.

Ivan:

Since I read him the notes.

Joe:

I'm pretty sure.

Ivan:

I mean, that's why you take notes.

You don't have to remember your notes.

Joe:

Yeah, we'll discover it together.

Ivan:

This is an open note test.

Joe:

Donald's 1986 Jeep pickup was found abandoned along I-70 and East Saint Louis.

After a surge of initial optimism, many began to doubt Donald was their guy for the I-70 killers.

First off, he didn't resemble the composites of the I-70 killer.

Donald was even shorter and skinnier than the killer, if you can imagine that.

And most of all, he was bald.

Like totally bald.

I found a picture of him, but little hair he did have on the sides.

You know that ring?

Ivan:

Yes.

Joe:

Was not even red, it was like dark brown.

Eventually, Ballistics would eliminate the possibility that the same gun that killed his parents also killed the I-70 victims.

But he was eventually captured and given a 50 year prison sentence for the murders of his mother and stepfather.

But yeah, no one really believes that he was the I-70 guy.

In 1994, former Army Ranger Robert Cox was arrested for robbing a salon in Decatur, TX, during which he forced a woman and two children into a closet at gunpoint.

He was also charged with stalking and aggravated assault in California in 1986 and, as it turns out, would eventually be charged with the 1978 murder of Disneyland worker Sharon Zellers in Florida.

Ivan:

Wow, that guy gets around.

Joe:

He does get around, get around.

He gets around killing people.

Yeah, he killed someone in Florida, and we should remake that robber.

That's terrible.

I'm sorry.

Ivan:

We need Brian Wilson.

Joe:

He killed people all over the USA.

Robert was sentenced to death for that crime but was released released in 1990 when the case was overturned.

Wow.

I know I didn't get into it, but it was overturned.

Sam:

Well, we need to get into that some other time.

Joe:

Yeah, we do, because I'm just like, oh, that's crazy.

What happened next?

Ivan:

There was enough to be found guilty and sentence him to death, but then it was overturned.

Yes, maybe the DNA thing.

Joe:

Maybe it was.

Ivan:

Well, wait, what year?

Joe:

1990 so probably not.

No, I don't know.

Yeah, I didn't look it up, guys.

I didn't look it up.

So Rob had gotten out of prison just a year and a few months before the I-70 killings began, is the point I was getting at OK, Even though I don't know how it got overturned.

Also, guess where he was living at the time?

Wichita.

Springfield, MO.

I mean, I would, but listen.

It's 150 miles South of I-70, but the I-70 killer was highly mobile.

Sam:

I mean, it's actually closer besides Wichita, it's actually closer to the rest of them than Wichita.

Ivan:

Yeah, that's true.

The.

Joe:

Wichita one's really bizarre to me.

It's so out of the.

Ivan:

Way across 7 states, but we're like no.

Joe:

It was too far South right?

Robert is suspected of several other murders as well, but has not been conclusively linked to them.

I don't think he was the I-70 killer, but there are some that think maybe he was because he was loose at the time he was loose.

Ivan:

Did you get what he looks like and stuff?

Joe:

I found a picture of him and he does not, he doesn't have hair.

I mean, he didn't look anything to me like deposit, but I don't know, I feel.

Ivan:

Like he was seen a lot.

So I feel like, yeah, I don't know.

I feel like that's pretty strong evidence, even though it is just a composite I.

Joe:

Do yeah, I do feel like the guy was a short, scrawny guy that had red hair because there was like 4 or five different people across all the murders that saw this guy and said that, yeah.

Ivan:

Ginger Jerk.

Joe:

Little ginger jerk.

He's giving us a bad name.

Ivan:

That's right, of course it.

Joe:

Wouldn't have been you guys because you guys are monsters.

It wouldn't even have been me.

I'm way taller than 57.

Ivan:

That's like 1213 years old, huh?

Yeah.

Joe:

Wait, what's that I?

Ivan:

Was already taller than that guy though.

Joe:

Hell, were you in 1990?

About 13.

Ivan:

Yeah, oh, could have done it it.

Joe:

Was Ivan.

Ivan did it.

Where were you at in 1992?

Oh, you were 14 by then?

15.

Yeah.

OK.

All right.

Never mind.

There's this other guy, and honestly, I know I say this a lot and we never do it, but I really think we will do a whole podcast episode on this guy, on this guy.

Yeah.

Herb Bohmeister.

OK, I didn't know about this guy till I did this research, but OK, there was this guy named Herb Bohmeister who some people suspect.

I'm not going to spend a whole lot of time on this guy because I don't even though he was like a prolific, prolific serial killer, I don't think he was the Guy 70 killer.

Ivan:

OK, here's the deal.

Joe:

He was the I-70 Strangler.

Ivan:

Oh.

Joe:

Right he was.

He was.

He strangled at least 11 young men along the I-70 corridor throughout Indiana and Ohio between 1980 and 1991.

Ivan:

So different way of killing and also a different sex except for the one guy was a male.

But we think that because the name was of the store is a female.

Yeah, name.

OK, I guess.

Joe:

I thought maybe there was.

Ivan:

About I guess I'm with you on this, herb.

Joe:

Beau Meister was gay and targeted young men.

You know, sure, Beau Meister, he did operate along the same area at the same time.

But like I said, Herb's victims were all men, likely gay men.

And the murder method was strangulation doesn't fit.

Here's another thing too.

I think Herb Beau Meister was like 6-2 or six three.

That's a hell of a lot taller.

Ivan:

Then our little one has said tall guy.

Joe:

Exactly, and he didn't have red hair, right?

So I mean, the physical description is nowhere near.

Herb got away with his murders for several years until 10 bodies were discovered buried on his property.

Ivan:

That'll do it.

Joe:

How'd those get there?

I swear to God, I just went to Las Vegas for one weekend and I come back and there was all kinds of dirt stirred up in my backyard.

But I didn't investigate.

I just thought maybe I had moles.

It was all these bodies who did that.

Sam:

Him and Gacy been talking to each other.

Joe:

Gacy's like you should have put them under your house.

Under under your house.

You would have got away with it for longer.

Following that, Herb fled to Ontario, Canada and committed suicide on July 3rd, 1996.

Yeah, yeah.

Ivan:

So they found that out after he moved to Canada, OK.

Joe:

Yeah, I think he was like, wanted.

They were actively pursuing him.

And that's when he ran up to Canada.

And I guess he didn't want to go to jail.

So he.

Yeah, he killed himself.

The FBI's Behavioral Profile of the Killer

Well, the FBI had gotten involved the moment it was discovered that the murders spanned several states, right?

That's federal.

So they were contacted.

They put together a profile of the killer.

Ivan:

Oh, they did.

Joe:

They did.

They did. 1992 profile.

I wonder if Douglas was part of this?

Ivan:

What's funny is when I first started hearing about these profiles years and years ago, I was always kind of mad.

I was like, how stupid.

But I mean, it's just crazy how close they are.

Sometimes they are not that.

They're always close.

Joe:

No, but man, they but.

Ivan:

They always at least hit some of the areas and sometimes most of them.

But yeah, continue on, Sir.

Joe:

Well what did we talk about?

The like fire starter bed wetter?

There was like 3 or 4 specific ones.

Ivan:

Yeah, yeah.

Joe:

Animal, Animal torture.

Ivan:

Yeah, animal torture.

Yeah, A lot of times they'll have two of the three, if not three of the three.

Joe:

Yeah, I think Dahmer had almost all of them.

Yeah, there were several.

Ivan:

Yeah, Podcaster, that's one of the fourth ones.

Joe:

True crime podcaster.

So their profile paints the picture of an organized, thrill driven offender who likely derives psychological satisfaction not from robbery or sexual assault, but from the act of committing the murders themselves and getting away with it.

Which that's especially creepy, according to retired FBI profiler Larry Ancrum.

Ivan:

Oh yeah, You see, he's mentioned sometimes in John Douglas.

I think they were friends.

Joe:

Investigators believe the killer carefully selected small specialty stores where loan clerks worked in relative isolation.

The attacks occurred in broad daylight, often in busy commercial areas near Interstate 70 other than Wichita, suggesting an offender who was comfortable operating in public and confident in his ability to avoid detection.

With the exception of Michael McCown, all the victims were young brunette women working alone in small retail businesses.

The FBI theorized that the victims may have presented A symbolic target for the killer.

Their similar appearance suggested he may have associated them with someone from his past.

This was also a theory with Ted Bundy, his first wife, I can't remember what is not wife.

His first girlfriend.

He had like this girlfriend that they almost got married.

Remember she had a daughter and he got really close with her and then they split.

But anyway, a lot of people think that he had she owes a lot of his victims because they resembled her.

Like dark brown hair split down the middle, parted down the middle, you know?

Ivan:

Yeah.

Joe:

So people thought maybe they resembled a former girlfriend or spouse or a female authority figure connected to this guy.

One of the most unusual aspects of the crimes was the killer's calm demeanor.

Witnesses who encountered him consistently described him as quiet, composed and emotionally controlled, except for when he was out talking and giggling to himself.

That kind of, that's weird to me.

I don't know.

Investigators noted that he appeared capable of adapting quickly when situations changed unexpectedly, like in the bridal shop when there was another lady there they didn't expect.

Ivan:

Well, you know when he's giggling, he's still calm because he's like, comfortable with himself.

He can like, laugh in public.

Joe:

That's a good point.

Ivan:

So it's like a calm demeanor, even though it's kind of weird that he would do that.

Joe:

OK, kind of Jokerish.

He's still, yeah, OK.

Ivan:

But I guess you're talking more about the calm, which, yeah, I mean, that's not, I mean, but he feels comfortable, obviously.

Joe:

This was especially evident his calm demeanor during the Wichita murders at Lebride Elegance Bridal Shop.

The killer may have expected a single victim.

This is what I'm just kind of regurgitating what I just said.

But when he encountered two women along with an unexpected customer, remember that guy showed up.

He wasn't part of the equation.

He adapted.

OK, all right.

Even though he couldn't get the guy to come back.

I would say that was a pretty big fail, though.

Like you can't get the guy to come back so you just tell him to leave.

Ivan:

He got lucky that the guy didn't call immediately, but yeah, I know that was a.

Joe:

Yeah, he got very lucky, like and, and again, maybe he, maybe he assumed the guy was going to call immediately.

So after that he just took off.

Like the women could have already been dead for all we know.

Ivan:

That's true.

I mean, he could have snuck out the back if yeah just right after.

Joe:

That, yeah.

So it may not have mattered.

Even if the guy called immediately, we'll never know.

How would we know?

How would we know?

Ivan:

I would imagine he got out pretty soon, yeah.

I mean, you'd have to assume he was going to call right away.

Joe:

Me too, like if I had killed 2 ladies or was about to call 2 ladies and this other guy showed up I would just like finish up whatever business I had and get out of dodge.

Ivan:

But at least if he would have called, there would have been a chance of just catching him on his side street.

Joe:

Yeah, true.

Ivan:

Obviously, we'll beat that dead horse.

Joe:

Yep, that's true.

Well, the FBI profile also suggested the killer was likely less sophisticated than he thought himself to be.

Although he avoided capture, he still exposed himself to a lot of witnesses.

We know that he left ballistic evidence and committed crimes in populated areas.

Really, I think he just got lucky a lot.

Ivan:

I think so.

Joe:

Investigators believe this reflected an offender who felt intelligent and superior, but who was also impulsive and driven by fantasy.

Geographically, the FBI believe the offender may have had strong ties to Indiana.

The murder pattern began in Indiana and Indianapolis, then it moved westward along Interstate 70 and then returned E again.

Behavioral analysis often interpret this kind of movement as indicating a comfort zone, suggesting the killer lived, worked or spent most of his time in that region.

I got a friend named Luke who I've been talking, actually.

Shout out to Luke.

He suggested this case.

Yeah, this was a few weeks ago.

He messaged me and said, you ever heard of the I-70 killer?

And I was like, well, no, I haven't.

And I looked it up, and then I did an episode on it.

So shout out to Luke.

Luke thinks the guy, And I can't remember why, what his reasoning was.

I need to ask him, he thinks the guy is actually more from the Wichita or Kansas area and just made treks out, you know, east towards Indiana for his murder.

Ivan:

Oh yeah, that makes sense.

Joe:

Now, Luke's, he's not just like a guesswork guy.

He's super, super.

He's like one of the smarter guys that I know.

So if he says that, he's got some good reasons for it.

Ivan:

Yeah.

Joe:

Witness descriptions across multiple states were remarkably consistent.

The suspect and I, I again, I, I already stated this was white male, late 20s, early 30s, pretty short, 5 foot six or seven, thin reddish or sandy blonde hair.

And then this one's, I found an account that said he had droopy eyelids.

OK, so maybe he was just stoned.

I don't know, just droopy eyelids.

Or maybe he had those puppy dog Elvis eyes.

You know, I just, I don't know.

Ivan:

Maybe he looked like the bad ghost on Ghost.

You know, remember that guy in the He's been in a lot of stuff, the bald guy.

Joe:

Yeah, yeah, he's got those eyes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

OK, that's.

Ivan:

Good, the guy that taught him how to push stuff.

Joe:

Just picture that.

Picture that, people.

Ivan:

But a guy with red hair?

Joe:

Yeah, he was frequently described as plain looking, clean cut and unremarkable.

Someone capable of blending in easily to ordinary environments.

Ivan:

That makes sense.

Joe:

Perhaps the most chilling conclusion reached by the FBI was that the killer likely enjoyed the notoriety attached to the crimes.

According to Ankrom, Larry Ankrom, the offender may have taken pride in the nickname of the I-70 killer and the mystery surrounding the case.

This is this is very much like a BTK thing where they just get off on it really hard.

So much so that you know when he faded from the when BTKI think one of the deals that got him kind of out of seclusion was when wasn't there someone else kind of like taking credit?

Ivan:

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe:

And he was like, no, no, no, no, no, that was me.

Like he didn't.

He wasn't going to have that.

Ivan:

Why don't we do this?

Why don't we give them a nickname but not make it be flattering?

Why don't we call it like officials think the dumbass I-70 killer like and everyone calls them that.

Joe:

Yeah.

Ivan:

You know, wouldn't that be awesome?

That's what we should do from now on.

Joe:

The media attention, geographic identity and continuing fear generated by the murders may have all reinforced the killer's sense of power and control.

Like I it's just reiterating, you just got off on that. 16 months after the last known I-70 killer murder, two more murders occurred.

This is a stretch, but some people connect it.

Let's get there. 900 miles West in the Fort Worth area of Texas.

Ivan:

OK.

Joe:

And an attempted murder.

Nearly 300 miles South in Houston on September 25th, 1993, a 51 year old woman named Mary Glasscock was murdered while working in her antique store.

She was shot in the head with a 22 caliber.

Ivan:

Way in the back of the head.

Joe:

And I didn't see that.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I know she was shot in the head and the register was empty.

So this is sounding familiar, right?

However, the bullet did not match the weapon used by the I-70 Killer, and the modus operandi was different.

Mary's pants had been removed and her driver's license and car keys were taken from her purse.

So there was no sexual component to any of the I-70 Killer?

Ivan:

That's yeah, Yeah, you're right.

Joe:

I don't know if Mary had actually been sexually assaulted.

All I found was that her pants had been removed.

Now a lot of times killers do that to throw off.

They don't even assault them, they just take off the clothing, you know, just to throw off the scent or to, you know, throw off investigators, but I don't know.

On November 1st, 22 year old Amy Vess had been shot twice in the head and neck while working at a store called The Dancer's Closet in Arlington, TX.

This is a crazy story.

She remained conscious long enough to call 911, but she did pass away from her her wounds soon after.

I didn't even want to play it on the podcast because to me it's too depressing.

But her 911 call is still on.

Ivan:

Thank you for not.

Joe:

Yeah, it's the last words this poor girl ever spoke.

And then she died.

But she did remain conscious long enough to call 91.

I just thought that was crazy.

Crazy.

Ivan:

Yeah.

Joe:

Just like Nancy Kitzmiller, Amy was supposed to have been off work that day but came in to cover for a Co worker.

Ivan:

Man, I'm just not going to work anymore.

Joe:

Don't cover for anybody, that's that's for sure.

I know that for true.

Ivan:

We cover for me.

No, I'll get.

Joe:

Killed.

Never.

You cover for me.

I don't like you.

I don't know, sorry.

The bullet did not match the bullets from the I-70 slayings and police did not suspect they were connected.

But again, all the guy had to do was just switch guns.

That's true.

And now he's getting off totally Scott free because just he's just switched.

You know how easy it is to switch guns?

Ivan:

Yeah.

Joe:

It's that, listen, it's a snap.

I just snapped.

Ivan:

Switched guns, just you.

Joe:

Just switched guns.

It's that easy.

All you got to do is just like switch guns and automatically you're like Scott free.

You're never going to be switched.

Ivan:

Guns and switch interstates.

Joe:

Yeah, couldn't have been him saying I don't know why I'm doing that for the 1990s, but he was 22 caliber.

It was a never gun.

He was on I-80, not I-70.

Say different guy.

Ivan:

It always works though.

Joe:

2 1/2 months later, January 15th, 1994, thirty five year old Vicki Webb was working at her art gallery called Alternatives, which was located in the Village Shopping Plaza in Houston, TX.

Shortly after opening, a man walked into the studio and asked to buy a frame, a picture frame.

When Vicki turned around to get it, he shot her in the back as she laid on the floor playing dead.

The man cleaned out the register.

Then he rolled Vicki over on her back, face up, removed her pants and placed the pistol to her forehead and pulled the trigger.

But nothing happened.

The gun jammed.

Sam:

Oh, so that's how we know what happened, yes.

Joe:

OK, At this, the man burst out laughing, according to her, and presuming she was dead anyway, walked out of the store.

But Vicki survived and made a full recovery.

Here's crazy.

The crazy thing?

When she was shown the composite sketches of the I-70 killer, she said that's the guy who shot me.

That's him.

Dang, that's the guy.

Ivan:

I mean, I feel like that could have been.

Joe:

Yes, it's so close to everything else.

Sam:

What year was that?

Joe:

This was 94.

Two years later, 94.

As far as Ballistics are concerned, they could not be performed in this case.

You know why?

Because the bullet is still in her spine.

Sam:

Too risky to remove it.

Joe:

Yes, they cannot remove it.

It's too risky of a surgery.

She lived, but they cannot so until she.

Ivan:

I think there's an imagery that would do that right now.

Sam:

Yeah, you would think so.

Joe:

Maybe there is now, I don't know.

Maybe I don't know.

That's all I just read.

Ivan:

Well, if it's MRI, that's magnetic, so maybe it couldn't be that.

Joe:

All I read was here's what it said.

The bullet is lodged in in one of Vicky's vertebrae and cannot be safely retrieved for inspection, so I don't.

Sam:

Know, I think there's some other kind of X-ray tech by now that could.

Joe:

Would it even see the grooves on the OR would it I?

Ivan:

Don't know.

Maybe, maybe not, I don't know.

Joe:

That's wild.

Ivan:

Man, even if you do say it is him or it is the Ballistics match, I mean, it doesn't help because there's nothing else.

Joe:

Right.

Yeah.

Ivan:

But it does get him down to a new section of the United States.

Joe:

And I put 2 1/2 months out because it was, yeah, it was two years after the last official I-70 killer, but it was only a couple months after, you know, the other suspected.

Ivan:

The thing about him laughing?

Joe:

Yeah.

Ivan:

I never rolled over a victim before and shot him in the head.

Joe:

Not that I read, no.

It was always pop pop in the back of the head and then he was gone.

Ivan:

But you said he just shot her in the back, so that's a little.

Joe:

Off Yeah, he shot her like from what I understood, close to the neck, like in the spine, in the upper back, and she dropped.

And then when he rolled her over to shoot her in the head and it and it jammed, he just laughed and walked out.

But I found even an interview, a couple interviews with her later, she made a full recovery and it's a pretty wild story.

Ivan:

Yeah.

The Unsolved Mystery: Seeking Justice Today

Well, today, 34 years later, there's still no concrete suspect in the I 70s slangs.

Over the years, many other murders have suspected to have been committed by the same man.

We just covered some of them, even some as recently as the early 2000s.

But there's no definitive proof, at least not yet.

If the I-70 killer really was in his late 20s, early 30s at the time, he'd be at least 60 by now.

Which that ain't that old.

He could still be killing.

Ivan:

Oh yeah.

Joe:

There's still time to convict the guy though, and make him spend the last 1520 years of his life behind bars.

He just has to be captured.

Ivan:

Let's capture him.

Joe:

Let's capture him with our people can do it.

Call 417 for Mantis and let us know who he is.

Ivan:

But if it's a really great lead, call some authorities.

Joe:

Yeah, I don't have their numbers, but.

Ivan:

But if that's all you got.

Joe:

I guess you'd call the FBI at this point.

Ivan:

Yeah, you would.

Yeah, sure.

Joe:

Call 1800 FBI.

Wait, that's too short.

Ivan:

FBIFBIF be enough.

Joe:

Numbers just just diff dial FBI for a while until the answer.

That was a Mitch Hedberg joke.

Didn't he say like if his number was just all 1 digit, he'd be like just dial 7 for a while?

Yeah, and I'll answer.

Ivan:

Until I answer.

Yeah, something like that.

I guess you could still hit 0 and say operator going to be the FBI.

Joe:

Somewhere around here there's like AI, think it's a lawyer, like an attorney's firm, and it's all eights.

It's like 88888888.

You've seen those billboards.

Ivan:

It's.

Joe:

You know it.

Ivan:

Nolan, Cadell, Reynolds or something I think.

Joe:

OK, that's what it is.

Yeah.

And it's just all eights.

So every time I see that billboard, I think of the Mitch Hedberg joke.

I'm like, we'll just dial 8 for a while and they'll answer.

Sam:

Maybe he likes Mitch Hedberg.

Joe:

Yeah.

Ivan:

Hey, you know what it is?

What 1800 call FBI.

Joe:

Oh, I even looked it up.

Ivan:

2255324.

Joe:

There you go.

So if you have any information on this I would like to be a part of it.

Sam:

Or anything really I guess.

Ivan:

Or you could submit a tip report at tips.fbi.gov.

Joe:

OK, but how about 4174?

Mantis?

Listen, that's what we need to really blow this podcast off the lid, man, That's true.

We need to solve one of these.

Go through us, we'll contact the FBI, we'll take the credit and we'll make millions of.

Ivan:

Dollars.

There we go.

Joe:

Somehow, I don't know how, but we'll get more plays probably if we solve the case, you know?

Ivan:

Call the FBI, record the phone call and then send it to us.

Joe:

There you go.

I want to be on Channel 5 where it's like local podcasters, you know, Ivan, Sam and Joe blew the lid off this case.

Guys, what do you think about it?

And then I don't do good in situations like that.

So I'd be too nervous to speak, and I would pass it on to you guys.

I'd be like, now we can't take all the credit.

Even though it was mostly us.

I'd go full Donald Trump.

And we did this all by ourselves.

It's the greatest podcast ever.

Ivan:

We did the Ballistics.

Joe:

We did the work.

We had the best people, which I mean, ourselves, we are the best people.

We did it.

I can't do it.

I can't do it, Trump.

I just can't.

No, it's.

Ivan:

It's not too bad.

Joe:

No, it's I've practiced it in the car while driving alone and I can't get it.

I can't do it.

I called a friend the other day and left a voicemail as Trump and they message back like who the hell was that?

They couldn't even tell.

Ivan:

Was that Joe?

Joe:

Biden, they couldn't even tell.

That's how bad it is.

Pissed me off, but anyway.

All right, so that's it man that's it on the I-70 Killer.

Let us know what y'all think If you are the I-70 Killer. 4174 Mantis.

Ivan:

And if it's an emergency, call 911.

Joe:

Yeah, but mostly us.

Ivan checks that every three weeks, so we'll get on it quickly.

Ivan:

I just checked it and there's nothing new that.

Joe:

Misses me off.

That pisses me, right?

Ivan:

That's OK, because I told Sam I think that most people, if they want to talk to us, they're just doing it through socials, social media.

Joe:

Very clear on this podcast to call for 174 Mantis and no one is doing it, so I'm really upset.

Ivan:

It's all good.

Anybody in the hood?

Joe:

Come on.

All right, so y'all, thank you Pod.

Thank you out there for listening to us.

We appreciate you, we honestly do, and we will catch you next time.

Goodnight.