Maurice the Marathon Panda | The Re-Crap Sample 9

Tara and Lindsey are back with Sample 9 of The Re-Crap and they outdid themselves by bringing on a PodFam favorite, Maurice Lowman, the Marathon Panda!

In this engaging conversation, Lindsey and Tara catch up with Maurice Lowman, also known as the Marathon Panda. They discuss his inspiring journey from addiction to sobriety, the power of positivity in the running community, and the importance of support and accountability. Maurice shares his experiences with running, including his impressive run streak, the challenges he faced, and his recent participation in the Anchor Down Ultramarathon. The conversation highlights the transformative power of running and community in overcoming adversity and achieving personal growth. Maurice shares his journey as a marathon runner, emphasizing the importance of charity, community, and personal growth. He discusses his upcoming races, the significance of running for a cause, and the joy of involving family and friends in his running journey. Maurice also highlights the need for inclusivity in the running community, celebrating all paces and experiences. The conversation wraps up with a look at future goals and events, reinforcing the message of positivity and gratitude in the sport.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Catch-Up
03:02 Celebrating Achievements and Community
04:03 Introducing Maurice Lowman
06:40 Maurice's Journey and Positivity
09:17 The Impact of Running on Life
12:25 Overcoming Addiction and Finding Hope
15:18 The Power of Community Support
18:01 The Run Streak Experience
19:08 The Journey of Sobriety and Running Streaks
21:42 Facing Injury and the End of a Streak
24:08 Embracing Recovery and New Beginnings
26:10 The Role of Running in Coping with Grief
28:54 The Anchor Down Ultra Marathon Experience
31:40 The Mental Challenges of Ultra Running
34:36 Finding Community in the Ultra Running World
36:28 The Importance of Charity in Running
39:21 Goals for the Chicago Marathon and Beyond
51:15 The Challenge of Ultra Marathons
52:42 Inclusivity in the Running Community
54:06 Celebrating New Runners
55:48 The Evolution of Running Culture
57:43 Running as a Free Sport
59:08 The Importance of Positivity in Running
01:01:04 Upcoming Events and Community Engagement
01:08:08 Future Goals and Aspirations

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Transcript

Lavatory Lindsey (00:23)
What is happening everyone? Welcome to sample nine of the re-crap. I am your host, Lavatory Lindsey, and that is my lovely co-host over there, Tara Teradactyl. What is crappin' in Tara?

Ptara Pterodactyl (00:36)
Hey, how is it going?

Lavatory Lindsey (00:38)
Yeah, pretty good. Well, no, not great.

Ptara Pterodactyl (00:43)
I haven't seen you in forever.

Lavatory Lindsey (00:45)
I know, I feel like it's been, I feel like every time we have this much of a break in between recording, I forget what I'm doing.

Ptara Pterodactyl (00:52)
I saw

you at the Cigna, not the Cigna, it's the, what's it called now? The Elliott corporate 5K.

Lavatory Lindsey (00:56)
Elliot, yeah. Yeah. Yes, the sore,

the very sore reminder that I have let running take such a far backseat in my life that-

Ptara Pterodactyl (01:09)
It's okay, you're in the good season for that because this summer has been so miserable and hot. It ⁓ actually was cold out this morning. I had to put a sweatshirt on to go walk my dog. We're getting into the fun run season. I love fall.

Lavatory Lindsey (01:14)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

I do do. I mean, I love it for running. It just makes me sad when summer is over. It kind of flew by. So how was the 10-miler?

Ptara Pterodactyl (01:26)
Yeah, so.

the 10-mile was such a blast. I was like, I could not be more proud of Eric and Erica when we walked up and they had their own little like booth. We were trying to figure out what to call it. Were like a table or a booth or they had their own little tent with their banner. And it was just so cool because I think I feel like I've been around since the beginning of, when they started this. then just to see I'm just, you know, I like, I'm here for the ride. I was like, I don't need to be anybody on this podcast, but I love.

Lavatory Lindsey (01:50)
Right?

Ptara Pterodactyl (01:58)
being a part of it and seeing them grow. it was just so cool and it was such a fun day, such a fun day. We missed you.

Lavatory Lindsey (02:00)
it right

Okay, alright.

Ptara Pterodactyl (02:05)
But the race,

you know, sucked per usual, but ⁓ the hills, the hills just eat my soul every time.

Lavatory Lindsey (02:11)
I'm so

sad that because it's the last time and I'm sad I couldn't make it and even if I could I would have I probably would have walked most of it. They're pathetic.

Ptara Pterodactyl (02:15)
I know.

Yeah, I walked

a lot of it. Erica ran with me the whole time. And I think I walked. We walked up. Actually, we were all together. We walked up that first hill at mile four. And then I think I had to walk the almost the entire seventh mile. Is that Spofford Hill? God, that hill just like murders my heart. Like, what's what is happening? ⁓ But I mean, we still had a pretty good pace for all the walking we did. I think we ran like a 10. my official race was like a 1015, which I was like, damn.

Lavatory Lindsey (02:29)
Yep.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

That's what would have happened.

that's

Ptara Pterodactyl (02:50)
So yeah,

Lavatory Lindsey (02:50)
pretty good.

Ptara Pterodactyl (02:51)
so but we had fun. was a blast, per usual. And the after party was fun. Everything was great.

But do you want

to introduce our sample eight guest? I am like kind of in starstruck a little bit. Maybe I'll be blushing the whole time. Yes. Yes.

Lavatory Lindsey (03:02)
sample. Alright, are you gonna be able to talk? Are you gonna be swooning the whole time? ⁓

man, this, our next guest, we'll both be blushing. He's incredible. He's truly an incredible, incredible person. So inspirational. Probably the most positive human being I know.

Ptara Pterodactyl (03:18)
He can just talk the whole time.

Lavatory Lindsey (03:28)
He's been through some shit and he has come out on top and just he just pushes through. He doesn't let anything get him down. He runs all these crazy races. He had an insane run street going on for almost 10 years. ⁓ I think he just celebrated like 10 years of sobriety. Back in March, right?

Ptara Pterodactyl (03:45)
Yeah.

Yeah, I think it was March. He can fill us in on that.

Lavatory Lindsey (03:55)
Yeah,

yep.

Yes, so we are so excited to be able to have.

the Marathon Panda, us

welcome to the re-trapmo. We're so excited that you are joining us.

Maurice Lowman (04:06)
Ha

Ptara Pterodactyl (04:08)
Yeah. Yeah. So we just kind of want to catch up. know you have been on how many times have you been on on the runs twice? Twice. ⁓

Maurice Lowman (04:08)
Thank you for having me.

Lavatory Lindsey (04:10)
Absolutely.

Maurice Lowman (04:17)
twice. I see I

did like a live phone call one time and I was so glad I answered.

Ptara Pterodactyl (04:22)
was that

when Eric called you to tell that he loved you? Have a good night.

Maurice Lowman (04:25)
But it was like

I was like I didn't want to miss his call and then I was like wait a second is this like for the podcast?

Ptara Pterodactyl (04:32)
That was I loved that that was so much yeah, so we just want to catch up you've been up to some epic shit per usual I Just a little background. I found you from on the runs I didn't know who you were and then I immediately started following you because of your positivity and I was talking about you earlier to I coach a college golf team and I was telling him I was like, oh I'm recording a podcast later and I go and it's with the most positive person I have ever met in my entire life and I was like if I ever have like

Maurice Lowman (04:58)
Ha

Ptara Pterodactyl (05:00)
minute of feeling like negative I just go to rate to his Instagram and I'm like, yeah, what would panda do? Yeah, so

Lavatory Lindsey (05:03)
It's.

Maurice Lowman (05:04)
I appreciate it.

Lavatory Lindsey (05:06)
Or just re-listen to the first On The Runs episode.

Ptara Pterodactyl (05:11)
Yeah.

Maurice Lowman (05:11)
I love to talk,

so it's always a privilege, it's an honor when people actually ask me to speak. So I can't thank you ladies enough for having me on. Eric is awesome. I've been inspired by Eric Cuffa for God knows how many years, and she's just so humble with all of her accomplishments. We've ran a few ultras at the same time, and I just think she is so awesome. She has so much great energy. And that's the coolest thing about this community is because we get to meet so many cool people. I'm the first one to be like, hey,

Look at me, listen to me, look at my story. But we all have stories, we all have a reason why we do these crazy things. We met on the Boston Marathon course and gave each other like live high fives. That was epic. Yeah.

Lavatory Lindsey (05:54)
Mm-hmm. It

Ptara Pterodactyl (05:55)
Yeah, you're

Lavatory Lindsey (05:55)
was...

Ptara Pterodactyl (05:55)
hard to miss out there with that purple suit. Man, and the year it was at 24, no 23. It was like 70 something. I saw you at like mile three and your suit was a different purple than when you started because it was so hot.

Maurice Lowman (05:58)
Ha ⁓

Lavatory Lindsey (06:03)
23.

Maurice Lowman (06:04)
comment.

Lavatory Lindsey (06:11)
Just

Maurice Lowman (06:12)
It's

Lavatory Lindsey (06:12)
three miles in, yeah.

Maurice Lowman (06:12)
so funny. Somebody sent me a clip from a podcast. I think it was like the Believe in the Run podcast, so they're very established and they had a few like bits for the race. And I guess the guys remembered me from Athlete's Village. And so the clip on the podcast was these two guys talking back and forth and they were like, do you remember that guy in the suit passing out the positive vibes? And then the other guy was like, I bet you he made it to mile three.

before he took that suit off. the other guy was like, no, I bet you made it for like miles before he took that suit off because it was so hot. And my friend sent me a message and she was like, I know that guy and he didn't take off the suit.

Lavatory Lindsey (06:41)
And surprise!

Ptara Pterodactyl (06:54)
He did not. Yeah.

Lavatory Lindsey (06:56)
I was gonna just

say I started following you a long time ago because I just, I don't know, I followed a bunch of other people on Instagram that were, you know, had the same kind of positive attitude, were big into running. And somehow I came across your profile and I was like, this guy is awesome. And so I was so excited when On The Runs had you on for the first time and it's been such a pleasure.

just get to know you better. But sorry, I had to interject that. My little humble brag now. I think so. Definitely, especially around here too, like in, you know, the Northeast. Yeah.

Maurice Lowman (07:25)
part.

Ha

Ptara Pterodactyl (07:31)
I think everybody knows Panda. Everybody does. You leave, yeah, you leave a lasting impression everywhere you

go, which is a good thing. And it's got to make you, I mean, that's going to make you feel good. I mean, I know you, do it, you, you, the reasons that you do it are not for, you know, like you don't do it for the look at me, look at me, you do it for like, you know, the right reasons, which I love. ⁓

Maurice Lowman (07:56)
Yeah,

Lavatory Lindsey (07:56)
Mm-hmm.

Maurice Lowman (07:56)
not just, look at me and say, what you can do. Like the quick like per se elevator. So my name is Maurice. I'm from East Providence, Rhode Island, currently living in Providence. I was introduced to the running community about 11 years ago and I was so embraced and so infatuated with the community aspect. It was all brand new to me and it came at a time where I needed it.

Lavatory Lindsey (08:02)
Yes. ⁓

Maurice Lowman (08:20)
to be the biggest tool in my sobriety toolbox. So, here's somebody coming from like the darkest corners, like incarceration, homeless, being homeless, hardcore drug addiction. And I found running as my go-to exercise. When I became super consistent with it, I found that the community did my first half marathon and just became so infatuated with the community. So for the past 11 years, I've remained super active, not only being

Mr. High fives and positive vibes, but being a cheerleader for everybody, because you get to meet so many cool people and I can't say it enough. I want to talk about my story to anybody that wants to listen, but we all have stories. So not only has it helped keep me sober, it's helped me meet so many cool people. There's a piece to the story where I was reunited with my adult son who I hadn't seen in over 18 years. And we did a 5K together the first time that we saw each other in 18 years. We ended up doing a marathon together.

And the running, my social media, he found me and his fiancee now wife was like, Hey, there's your dad, but you need to reach out to him. This guy's doing some awesome stuff and he's not going to say no. And when you ask him if it's okay to meet and like that story, I could talk, I could talk hours about it, but it's just crazy how much running has done for me. So yes, it's kept me sober. Yes. It's helped me meet so many cool people, but like being reunited with my adults on

Just opening doors continuously. get to raise money for charity. I've traveled because of it. I always say things like I have all these mantras like running has gifted me a higher quality of life. And the coolest thing about running is I say it all the time. Like if I love the Boston Celtics, they're not going to open the garden and play with the Celtics. But I love running and I get to run on the same course on the same day as like the elites and the professionals.

I'm not a former division one athlete like your college coach together. You're around college athletes all the time. But there are some people that compete at a very high level out there. I'm not one of them, but to be included and then to have my own little role where like one of the things that fires me up the most is when like a man or a woman that like competes at a high level. It's like hey Maurice, you're awesome. I love your positivity. I love the run streak. The run streak is the of the past, but you know, if that stuff fires me up.

for the journey to know that I can have, like I want to be able to be in darkness for so long. It's like a gift, I feel like it's my duty to show people what you can do with a positive attitude, with consistent change, and just like never stop believing in yourself. I never want it to be like just about addiction or just about running. It's about the whole big picture where no matter what you're going through,

You can get to the other side of it as long as you never stop believing in yourself and you take that next right step. It's not going to be easy. Like I can, I have examples for days about things that just seem insurmountable, but I applied that, that like marathon training mindset. just do it little by little, little by little, celebrate the small wins. Like, how am going to run 26 miles? Well, how am going to pay off all this debt? How am I going to get this job? How am I going to get this apartment?

How am gonna stay clean? How am I gonna get reunited with my family? Well, it happens when you're doing the right thing day by day by day by day. And that's what the running specifically the street for so long did for me. It gave me that accountability and that structure.

Ptara Pterodactyl (11:57)
That's awesome, that's such a great story and I think...

Maurice Lowman (12:00)
I think that was longer than an elevator pitch. ⁓

Ptara Pterodactyl (12:02)
No, no, no, it was great. Lindsay and I,

Lavatory Lindsey (12:02)
No, that was great. ⁓

Ptara Pterodactyl (12:04)
before you hopped on, we were like, we're just going to let Mo talk the whole time because you're a performer. You could just take this over and it's just we could listen to you talk all day. But ⁓ the addiction piece, I think every single person in this world knows somebody close to them that has struggled with addiction. ⁓ I myself, I have an older sister who was a heroin addict. ⁓ She's sober, but it's it's nice to see that people can change and

Lavatory Lindsey (12:08)
We don't even really need to ask him questions.

Maurice Lowman (12:08)
Okay.

⁓

Ptara Pterodactyl (12:30)
The change that you made is incredible. It's just awesome. So you give a lot of people hope. And I just think that that's so inspiring. ⁓ So keep doing what you're doing. It's awesome. I love it.

Maurice Lowman (12:32)
you

Congrats to your sister and thank you for sharing that. I do love to know that because I was the person that, you know, friends and family would look at and be like, we love you, Mo, but we don't think you're going to change. Like this is over and over again that you're making a mistake. So to finally find something that gave me, it's a healthy new habit. And when you replace old habits with good ones, good things happen. So to be addicted to running and community,

Lavatory Lindsey (12:57)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Maurice Lowman (13:12)
and social media is much more healthy than being addicted to drugs and alcohol and the street life and so forth. So I'm just so grateful that I was able to make it out and I want to share that hope. I want to share that light for somebody that's still struggling, for somebody that has a family member that's struggling. I have stories like a woman reached out to me one time and was like, the fact that you're so open and transparent about your street life and your addiction and your hardcore substance abuse.

helped me have a conversation with my brother, who I know is using, but won't talk to the family about it. I showed him your page, I showed him one of your posts, how you talk about it. Now we're having that conversation. And I don't know how long he stayed sober, but it allowed her to kind of take him along the first few steps of like getting clean and admitting that he had a problem. And this is somebody across the country that like, just to think that I made that kind of impact.

or delivered that kind of hope, it really, means a lot.

Lavatory Lindsey (14:14)
That's awesome. Do you get messages like that pretty often where people say, you know, you've helped me or you helped a family member or you whatever open the doors for

Maurice Lowman (14:24)
I would say once in a while, ⁓ you get to meet a lot of people that have similar stories and similar journeys and they're like, I love your attitude. I love that you're open about it. I haven't had a drink in three years. I love following your stuff. It just lets me know that like the long-term stuff is out there. And that's one of the biggest pieces of the messages. ⁓ When somebody is trying to make that decision to have a better life, it's almost like,

Where do I go? What do I do? How am I gonna get a job? How am I gonna get my family back? How am I gonna get an apartment? Like I have nothing. I wanna show people that you can come from the rock bottom, from nothing, and you can't, there is light at the end of the tunnel, not to sound too cliche, ⁓ because it's hard. When you're one week clean, when you're two weeks clean, when you're two months clean, you don't know the answers to all those questions. ⁓ So I'm very proud.

and grateful for the long-term sobriety and what like I'm literally living a life that I only dreamed about ⁓ when I was on the streets. I said this in a previous interview. ⁓ I knew that I wanted to get back into sales and I knew that I wanted to run and I had this vision of like selling cars and running marathons, but I was a homeless drug addict with no driver's license. So it was such a far cry from reality. It was such a far stretch.

But I knew, okay, what's the number one thing you need to do? Stop drinking and drugging, then get a job. So I put all those pieces together and it took a long period of time. was three years into my sobriety before I even had my driver's license back and was able to apply at a car dealership. So fast forward and now I'm like the face of the dealership. I do the advertising. I'm always in the top conversation for sales. And that's, never wanna.

take the gratitude piece away from that. Like I'm the guy that walks in and I'm like, happy Monday. And they're like, what do you mean happy Monday? Like what's the happy Monday? And I'm like, it's way better than it could be. Like, believe me. ⁓

Lavatory Lindsey (16:22)
Hahaha

Right,

Ptara Pterodactyl (16:28)
I bet you sell a lot of cars.

Lavatory Lindsey (16:29)
Man, I'd buy a car from you in a heartbeat. I was gonna say, I'd buy anything from you.

Maurice Lowman (16:34)
I'm grateful for that too because like I'm inspired and influenced by so many people on social media. I use that as a positive tool. We could all talk about how there's some negative pieces to it, but if you use it as a positive tool, it's great. And I grab inspiration. I grab influence from so many people. And I remember reading once as far as like on a professional level that it's very difficult for you to mix your personal life and your professional life and have it be

a success. I'm so fortunate to be known as like the Marathon Panda that sells cars. And I have people from like the community that come in to see me just because it's me. And I'm so grateful for that, like to be at a local race and have like five friends and they're like, I love my car. I got it from you. And I'm like, so cool.

Ptara Pterodactyl (17:20)
That's

awesome. All right. Yeah, right. No, no, they have they have taxes down there.

Lavatory Lindsey (17:21)
I'm gonna travel down to Rhode Island and get a car with the Dex and what I need one. ⁓

Maurice Lowman (17:24)
Come on.

Lavatory Lindsey (17:28)
that's true. So, so Terry, think, about the run streak. Yeah.

Ptara Pterodactyl (17:29)
We don't have taxes up here.

Maurice Lowman (17:30)
Well, we're, we're doing everything you know, to pay taxes.

Ptara Pterodactyl (17:33)
Yeah. So there's a couple of things that

we wanted to chat about specifically. Obviously, we could talk with you all night. But one thing that I really wanted to touch on was your run streak. I know it was amazing. It's still amazing, it ended. And how did that hit you mentally, physically? Were you upset? I mean, you weren't upset because you're never upset.

Maurice Lowman (17:48)
See you then.

Ptara Pterodactyl (17:57)
⁓ But just talk about that and are you starting a new streak?

Lavatory Lindsey (17:57)
Hahaha

Maurice Lowman (18:02)
started a new streak yet so I do love that question so I had been actively running including half marathons and marathons I had been tracking my mileage I had the apps I was pretty you know I had just started to use social media and my son stepped out at Thanksgiving was like hey you should do a run streak you should do a 100-day run streak so this is back in 2015 okay so 10 years ago

And he's like, you should do a 100 day run streak. It'll help keep you accountable. have to run every day. No matter what I just finished. I feel great. And I didn't want to be arrogant. I didn't want to be like Mr. One-Off and say like, oh, like that's easy. I already do that. But part of me did want to be that guy. Cause I'm like, I already do that. Um, so I said, I'm going to start on January 1st, 2016 and I'm going to run outside every single day. And he's like, Whoa, outside. He's like, what about.

the snow, what about the bad weather? And I'm like, well, that's the whole point. Like anybody can run on a treadmill when it's bad weather. And I've also matured to the fact that like, there's a lot of benefits to treadmill running. If you're raising a family, if you're working crazy hours, if your neighborhood's unsafe, I get all that. So I'm not naive or ignorant to that. But my thing was, I'm gonna make these runs all outside no matter what. So January 1st, 2016, I start this streak and I'm not the only one. There's people with like,

Lavatory Lindsey (19:09)
you

Maurice Lowman (19:23)
streaks that are decades old. But I was pretty proud of mine if you couldn't tell by how many times I talked about it. So starting January 1st, 2016, it was a leap year. So at the end of the year, I already had 366 days. I obviously went past the 100 mark and just kept going. So when I had the 366, I was like, I gotta keep going. And then I celebrated each year with this local half marathon on New Year's Eve, that to me was a celebration of my sobriety because on New Year's Day.

Lavatory Lindsey (19:29)
Ha ha.

Maurice Lowman (19:51)
On New Year's Day, I'm waking up ready to run a half marathon and not waking up hungover or like coming off a bender from using. So there was a few pieces to this run streak that were super important to me. And I was really grateful to keep it going. So fast forward, I was nine and a half years into the streak and about two or three months ago, two and a half months ago, I was on a routine, like just recovery three mile run in the morning.

twisted my ankle and ended up being this brain and it was super difficult for me to own the fact that I was injured and that the streak was going to have to come to an end. So I pushed through pain for the first two or three days and did like one mile outside to keep the streak alive. But I was literally pushing through pain and discomfort struggling to do like a power walk jog. So I went to urgent care, went to my primary, went to a specialist and

In the span of three days, I had three separate doctors that were like, listen, we get it. You love to run. We're the doctors. We meet runners all the time. The number one problem is they don't want to stop. You have to stop. Like you have to stay off. You have to rest. You'll never recover completely. So the conversation started happening. Like, do I become the guy that says I never missed a day of outside running? But

I have this lingering injury and I can't sign up for races anymore. Or do I wake up tomorrow, the streaks over, I'm upset. I embrace that and kind of move on. So I made the decision to end the streak. ⁓ And there was moments of being upset, being sad, kind of questioning my ⁓ identity, you know, like, because the streak meant so much to me.

Lavatory Lindsey (21:18)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Maurice Lowman (21:44)
The positive feedback that I received from, especially specifically the Instagram and Facebook community, the positive feedback that was like, Maurice, this is just as inspiring that you're admitting that you're hurt and that you had to end the streak. I can't call myself Mr. Discipline and then not be disciplined when it matters the most. Somebody sent me a quote that said, a real runner knows when not to run. And then I had these messages that were like,

Lavatory Lindsey (22:05)
Mm-hmm.

Maurice Lowman (22:11)
You've come so far, you've grown so much, you've done so much, you've built a community, you're hooked up with different brands. Like, look at all the things you've done in the last nine and a half years, just because the streak is over, nobody can take that stuff away from you. Like I have ultramarathon finishes, I have marathon finishes, I've raised money for charity, I've had community events where a hundred people have shown up just to show support for the marathon panda that talks about recovery and addiction and consistency and positivity. So those were the things.

Lavatory Lindsey (22:25)
Mm-hmm.

Maurice Lowman (22:41)
that allowed me to be like, okay, that chapter's over. This is the new chapter. And I really, really embraced the rest days. I've embraced the lower stress level of like coming home from work and not having to go outside for 20 or 30 minutes. And it helps me kind of embrace that maturity and into that next chapter. But to answer your question like directly, I was pretty upset, especially because, you know,

For nine and a half years, I never got injured. And people used to say, how do you do it? Don't get me wrong. There were times where I had little nagging things, but nothing crazy that would pull me from the road. ⁓ And this time it did. And my buddy, my good friend Alex, who's also my PT, was like, not for nothing. You've been running for 11 years. This is the first time you've been injured. You're really fortunate. once again, you can't call yourself Mr. Positive Panda and not be positive about everything.

So I told myself, do the right thing, rest, recover. Less than a month later, I ran the Anchor Down Ultra Marathon pain free. I mean, didn't run 100 miles, but I ran 83 miles, and 83 is way better than zero. So it's something that I'm super grateful for. I do want to start a new streak. I'd probably up the minimum mileage. I would make sure it was still all outside, because I love that piece of it. But it hasn't started yet. I'm still resting.

Lavatory Lindsey (23:48)
Yeah, it is.

Ptara Pterodactyl (24:08)
I love that. I'm a little envious of the rest piece because I am in streaking right now and I'm outside too. ⁓ I'm on day like eight hundred and forty something, but I was injured. had my back surgery and the only thing I could do was walk. So mine's a walk run streak, but I do at least one mile outside every day.

Lavatory Lindsey (24:09)
Yeah, it's great.

Maurice Lowman (24:14)
⁓

That's a problem.

Yeah,

it counts. There were times where like, especially after a big event or like you're super tired. I'm literally just power walking jogging around around the block for a mile to make sure the GPS hits a mile and I can count it.

Ptara Pterodactyl (24:35)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah,

but I do love the outdoor piece because it makes you a little bit more hardcore, you know, in the winter.

Maurice Lowman (24:45)
It does. To

Lavatory Lindsey (24:46)
Yeah,

Maurice Lowman (24:47)
me,

Lavatory Lindsey (24:47)
definitely during the winter.

Maurice Lowman (24:47)
was the structure and the accountability helped me. So I got laid off from my first corporate sales job about three and a half years into my sobriety and I had already started the streak. And the very first thought I had was like, what am I going to do? Like it's so hard that I lost my job because I didn't see it coming. But I had the running. I had the social media community. I knew I had people that counted on me.

to can be consistently positive, like I say I am. And that's what I always strive for, to be true to what I preach, I preach what I practice and not the opposite. So I said, you can't not be positive just because you lost your job, but having something to lean on, going outside for a run, being able to post about it. And I get it, there's people that are like, ⁓ you can run and not post, but once again, you use the social piece as a positive tool, there's a lot of positive.

feedback and a lot of social engagement that can be used ⁓ as a benefit and not as something that's negative. And the same thing like when I was dealing with grief, I'm repeating myself, I've said this on previous episodes, but like when we lost my son's mother, it's been seven years now, I didn't know what I was gonna do. I didn't know how to process that grief, but I knew I could go for a run. And I went for a run that night.

went for a run the next day, went for a run the next day, and having something consistently going on gave me that structure and gave me that routine where I was like, you're gonna be able to get through it.

Lavatory Lindsey (26:25)
so inspiring. I'm like speechless right now.

Maurice Lowman (26:27)
Well, thank

Ptara Pterodactyl (26:28)
You

Maurice Lowman (26:30)
I was so grateful that I had the long term sobriety. So when the streak ended, thank goodness I didn't like turn to a liquor store, look for a drug dealer, like, because those are real thoughts, you know, being 10 plus years sober, you still have crazy thoughts. I'm so firm and strong in my clean time that I wouldn't act on those thoughts, but you still have them.

So it helps me be like, listen, you've come so far. Why would you do something so silly as to go pick up? Wait, you're not going to. So get that thought out of your head. ⁓ So it's helped out a ton.

Ptara Pterodactyl (27:07)
Yeah, that was my one thing about the streak ending because I mean, that's like I said, it's you know, it's not the end of the world, but it's something that you worked so hard at and it was so long and you know, and it's you little bump in the road. So I just wasn't sure how that was for you mentally. So that's good to hear that like you turned it into a positive and looked at all the good things. And again, I commented on your post because I was like, that's awesome. You know, way to listen to yourself because a lot of us runners do not. It's like, ⁓ what's this?

What's this pain? I'll just run through it. And then it's like, ⁓ now it's broken. Now I have to get my leg amputated. It's OK. ⁓

Lavatory Lindsey (27:37)
Yep. Yep, it's enough. It's happened to me.

Maurice Lowman (27:40)
Yeah.

Lavatory Lindsey (27:42)
⁓

Maurice Lowman (27:43)
really helped me was owning the maturity piece like you say you've grown so much then do the right thing be mature shut it down and run and let it stay in the hill.

Ptara Pterodactyl (27:55)
Awesome.

Lavatory Lindsey (27:56)
so Alex was able to get you kind of back on your feet pretty quickly, huh?

Maurice Lowman (28:01)
He specializes in ankle sprains. ⁓ So we used an aggressive PT treatment with needling and like an aggressive like tissue massage. And I was very fortunate that I was able to bounce back. I'm dealing with something right now where I'm probably just gonna stop running for the next week or two, just to make sure, because I have Chicago coming up in six weeks and I wanna make sure I can toe the line for that. So it's almost like a blessing in disguise that I know.

how to rest and how to like the streaks not there so I don't need to worry about it. I went for a bike ride today, went to the gym, I did yoga so I'm obviously gonna stay super active. That's the way my brain operates. I need to stay super active and I love the fitness community. I never do not wanna be a part of it. But yeah, I have some pain in my foot and went to see him today and we decided we're gonna shut it down for at least a week or so.

Lavatory Lindsey (28:54)
So tell us Anchor Down. How did that go after being injured and everything?

Maurice Lowman (28:58)
So it

was my fourth consecutive year. ⁓ I volunteered at that race five or six years ago with the ⁓ suggestion from my run coach, Laurie, and her now husband, Paul, who's an Anchor Down veteran. She's an ultra marathon veteran having many runs. Yes, yes. ⁓ You saw, she's incredible.

Ptara Pterodactyl (29:18)
Is that my Lori that gave me her Boston Marathon medal? I love her. She's so great.

Maurice Lowman (29:26)
They were like, you should volunteer at this race, see what it's all about. And I went there, I only had like a four hour shift at like half of it at the aid station, the other half like just manning like one of the pieces, one of the crosswalks where the runners go across a road that's kind of closed, but people could still be driving. And just seeing, I had my marathons before, but I had never really been around the ultra community. And I'm doing, I'm thinking in my head, I'm like, okay, there go the six hour runners.

but these are the 24 hour runners and they're not gonna stop until tomorrow at 7 p.m. and I'm like, they're still going. So immediately I was like, I wanna be one of those people. I wanna be one of those people that someone says is crazy enough to run for 24 hours and you have to run a 12 hour event to qualify. So I immediately signed up for a 12 hour event. I think I had.

Lavatory Lindsey (30:12)
You

Mm-hmm.

Maurice Lowman (30:22)
a 50K experience at that point. I'd have to look back at my records. So I wasn't totally or I wasn't an ultra virgin for lack of a better term. I think I had a little bit of experience, but I dove right in, signed up for a 12 hour, the hamster wheel, the dumbest race in New Hampshire. Absolutely loved that race. Did the 12 hour qualified for anchor down, did my first anchor down and

Lavatory Lindsey (30:38)
You

Maurice Lowman (30:44)
ran 90 miles when the goal was like, the A goal was like 80 and the B goal was like 70. So to come away with 90, I was so pumped. And like the following year, I'm like, I'm getting 100, I'm getting 100, nothing's stopping me from getting 100. And I went out and I did 80. And you learn so much about yourself. And I have two 100 mile finishes. My first one was Habalina in Arizona, my second one was Daytona in Florida. And you learn so much about yourself.

during and those were 30 hour cutoffs. it took me 28 hours to finish and I'm so proud of those two buckles and we can talk about that and then next I want four buckles so I can apply to bad water one day. there's a lot. Yes. So you learn so much about yourself. I always in my experience between miles 40 and 70 or 40 and 60 I experienced like a lot of.

Lavatory Lindsey (31:23)
Yeah, yes, I was gonna ask you about that.

Ptara Pterodactyl (31:26)
Ooh, I'm

in a crew. I'm in for crewin'.

Maurice Lowman (31:41)
negative thoughts, you know, everything hurts, everything sore, you're tired, you're doubting yourself. I'm like, you're not even at 50. How the heck are you going to get to 100? And then you start the self doubt, the negative thoughts. And I have to remind myself that I wear shirts that say positivity always. But you can't say that and then not be positive. The cool thing about these events is you're in these beautiful places. So when I was in Arizona,

Lavatory Lindsey (32:02)
Hahaha

Maurice Lowman (32:09)
to see the sunrise in the desert, I'm like, when are you going to be in the Arizona desert with the sunrise running through cactus and running with all these amazing runners? Like you better snap out of this funk. You better keep moving. And by like mile 60, 65, 70, I'm getting my momentum and the miles are clicking off. I'm starting to put together some, some good segments of running. And before you know it, you're at 80, 85 and you can run 15 miles.

brand 85 and that's what you tell yourself. I love the 100 mile distance because you really have to tap into yourself physically and mentally. The biggest motivator for me is like my mantra of running the streets that used to run me is I've been on the streets walking aimlessly with no place to go. So to be doing something positive with my body, with my health, with my sobriety, with the community, it's a gift. So I'm not going to quit.

at mile 60 when I have this opportunity to do something so beautiful because I didn't quit when I was doing bad things. I I eventually quit, but you know what I mean? Like when I was in that darkness, like nothing was stopping me from getting to the next liquor store or the next drug house. So I use that as motivation and fuel for the fire. Like you did all this dumb stuff. Like you can definitely do something that's cool. You can definitely do something that's positive. And that's my biggest motivation.

Lavatory Lindsey (33:19)
Right.

Do you find, so I've run a couple of ultras but nothing like what you do or what Erica does, do you find in general that the ultra community use see other recovering addicts? Because I get the sense that there are a lot of people that are in the ultra community that have battled these addictions in the past and have overcome them and I feel like that's almost like a driving force to keep going.

Maurice Lowman (34:08)
You

do, and it's funny that you ask that. It's very, very common. Just recently, a friend was talking about me in my 24-hour event ⁓ to her friend who was like, he's a big-time fitness trainer and he trains people at a very high level that compete in fitness competitions and so forth. And he saw my social page quickly and heard a little bit about me doing this ultra. And he was like, let me ask you a question if you don't mind. He was like, is he a former addict? ⁓

Because I'm not trying to be rude. He goes, just meet so many people that do these long distance endurance events, get into things like boxing, get into things like fighting, get into things like, you know, high level bodybuilding and training that were former addicts because they're channeling that negative energy into something positive. you find it so much in the ultra community ⁓ because it allows you like I was seeking a mind altering substance over and over and over again.

It's almost like you're seeking this discomfort. I enjoy it so much. I love the questions from people like, how do you do that? I don't even like to drive that far. How do you stay up for 24 hours? And how do you do it with no sleep? I love it. Whether it's ego, whether it's whatever it is, it just really helps fuel you. So to answer your question more directly, you meet a ton of people that are coming off

of dealing with something crazy. A lot of times addiction, a lot of times grief. Maybe it was like they got out of a really bad domestic situation or they're going through a divorce or they were battling mental health. that was the number one thing about running that captured me is it gave me immediate confidence. So before I got clean and sober, backtrack to like 2005 and six and seven, running was my go-to outlet.

when I wanted to feel good about myself, if I had like a wanted to brush the dirt off my shoulders moment, it helped me build confidence, helped me feel good about myself. Even if it was just for a short period of time, it was two or three hours. And I didn't stay consistent with it because I was still actively using. But when I decided to make the long term switch to a healthy sober lifestyle,

Maurice Lowman (36:28)
running was the number one piece and it just now with the community, not to lose track, but it helped me and I say it all the time. It's my number one tool and the community is right there.

Ptara Pterodactyl (36:40)
That's awesome. So fast forward to 2025 anchor down. You were going for the buckle.

Maurice Lowman (36:46)
Going for the buckle, but my training got sidetracked because I sprained my ankle. So I just shut it down for a couple of weeks, but still went into the race mentally and physically sharp. Like I was ready. I really, really wanted to hit that goal. And I believed in myself that I could. 2024, I had a better first 12 hours. I think I did hit the 50 mile mark within 12 hours, even though we had the tropical storm.

Lavatory Lindsey (36:52)
Mm-hmm.

Ptara Pterodactyl (36:52)
Right.

Maurice Lowman (37:14)
This year, I was a little behind pace, but I was still in the 40s. So it was still very attainable. I think I was in the high 40s. ⁓ So it was still very attainable. It's tough because in hindsight, you're like, well, I should have done this. I should have done this. I was proud of myself that I took less breaks. ⁓ I did not sit down more than twice. And when I sat down, it was like just to eat, drink, kind of regroup mentally. And I got right back up and kept moving.

Lavatory Lindsey (37:21)
Mm-hmm.

Maurice Lowman (37:43)
There just wasn't enough fast running after the 50 and 60 mile mark. But when I was at that 50 or 60 mile mark, I didn't even think I was going to get to 70. Like the thought of 100 was like out the window just because I was falling so far behind. So to come home with 83, I'm very proud of that. Shout out to the guys and gals that get the 100 mile buckle. Alex got the 115.

There are a couple of big, big numbers out there and it's just so cool to see that and it gives you something I'm already fired up for next year. ⁓ It just takes being a little bit faster and more efficient when you're super tired. There was a lot of power walking going on that power walking needs to turn to jogging. I was really proud of myself at mile 70. I was able to throw down like two super fast miles that people might.

Lavatory Lindsey (38:25)
Mm-hmm.

Maurice Lowman (38:38)
Alex's dad was like, were a crowd favorite. People were going nuts because I ran through the station without stopping. And they were like, he didn't even stop. He was going so fast, but it only lasted two miles. Now I know it gives you the confidence that your legs still work like that after 70 miles. So you need to translate that into just smarter, more efficient running at 70 miles plus and kind of, you know, run a marathon at a, at a pretty decent pace.

Lavatory Lindsey (38:41)
Hahaha

Ptara Pterodactyl (38:47)
haha

Maurice Lowman (39:07)
to get to that 100 mile mark. I know I can do it, because I've done it in 28 hours, but the ultimate goal is to get it in that 24 hour block.

Lavatory Lindsey (39:15)
Mm-hmm. So you have Chicago coming up next. And you're raising, are you running for charity, right?

Maurice Lowman (39:19)
Yes.

I am so. If anybody has the opportunity they can check the link in my bio I I'm really fortunate I'm with a very small and modest ⁓ it's a small and modest ⁓ fundraising requirement where which I'm really grateful for because everybody knows ⁓ how hard it is to fundraise and I've really matured in my role as a charity runner and you can't listen to any of there's going to be no matter what you're doing there's going to be some negative talk out there and there are people that talk negatively about.

charity runners at world majors, but you have to remember these are people that are usually full-time employees, raising a family, and the fundraising piece is just as hard as the marathon training. And I don't want to be the guy that's like, hey, my name's Maurice, I run marathons, can I have some money? So I take a lot of pride and gratitude in the fact that these charities rely on people like us to raise funds and awareness on a special day like Boston, like Chicago, like Sydney, like London, because no matter what you do,

Lavatory Lindsey (40:03)
Hmm.

Ptara Pterodactyl (40:03)
Mm-hmm.

Maurice Lowman (40:23)
for your full-time life, you've heard of the Chicago Marathon, you've heard of the Boston Marathon, so you get the significance of it. So people that care and have, ⁓ it's really, it's a gift to be able to raise money and funds for a special cause, doing something that I love, and it allows me to put the ego in the back pocket for a little while and realize that there's such a bigger world out there. There are people that face, and that's the whole logic behind the suit.

And I know I'm kind of going all over the place here, but just I, I love to talk about this. The logic behind the suit is there are people facing much bigger challenges on a day to day basis with their lives, whether it's raising a child with disabilities, whether it's, you know, no matter what they're dealing with, those challenges are much bigger than me putting on a suit and running 26 miles. ⁓ so yes, it's a, look at me. I'm the guy running in a suit, but it's like, look why I'm doing it. I'm raising money for charity.

whether it's a recovery and addiction awareness charity like the Awesome Heron Project, or right now I'm with Run for Autism for the Chicago Marathon. And it's just, it's a gift because these families rely on events like this for folks to raise funds and awareness. So I'm really excited. ⁓ Shout out to my friend Ashley who gave me the opportunity to be part of the charity team.

Lavatory Lindsey (41:38)
Mm-hmm.

Maurice Lowman (41:49)
and the Chicago Marathon is going to be super special. Both of my sons are going to travel with me. My daughter-in-law got in with the lottery. It's going to be her first marathon. So we're going to make it ⁓ a big family event. So shout out to Levi and Malik, my two sons, and then Dion, Malik's wife. She'll be running her first marathon. I'll get to be there with her, and it's going to be a ton of fun. And all my best friends are doing it, Tommy and Teddy ⁓ and Rob and a bunch of the Wave Runners. it's like...

The community, it's such a cool opportunity and that's why I scream things like, get to do this because, and I know, and when I talk, it's from my own point of view, I never wanna rub anybody the wrong way or sound ignorant, but one of the things that's a pet peeve to me is when folks complain about world major marathons and the logistics and stuff and it just,

Lavatory Lindsey (42:26)
Yeah.

Maurice Lowman (42:46)
It kind of pokes me the wrong way because we're so fortunate that we get to do this. Like you can stay home. Like you don't have to get up and complain about having to get up early and get on a shuttle bus or like wait in line or take a ferry or like, so yes, there's going to be crazy logistics involved, but you're in this world major city that's shut down for one day just for 30 or 40 or 50,000 people. And everybody

train their butt off to get there. Everybody has a story. Everybody has their why. And I just, there's so much excitement going on. I just don't, I wanna shut off all the negative talk that people come up with about those things. And it's not to sound ignorant and to offend anybody. I'm just speaking. Yeah, I'm just speaking. Yeah, so.

Lavatory Lindsey (43:16)
Mm-hmm.

No, I think you're totally right.

Ptara Pterodactyl (43:32)
No, not at all. Yeah, I use

your.

Lavatory Lindsey (43:37)
I'm excited for you. You're making me so excited. I wish I was running it.

Ptara Pterodactyl (43:40)
I

Maurice Lowman (43:40)
We get to do this. You got to stay super grateful.

There could be, there's a lot of people that look at folks like us and say, I wish I could do something like that. So not only are we inspiring people, but that's where, you know, that's where the mantra run for those that can't came from, obviously. There are people that are mentally or physically disabled or emotionally available to do something like this. So the fact that we have all three boxes checked,

that we're physically, mentally and emotionally available to do something like afford to go to a world major marathon, be able to fundraise, be able to qualify. That's such a gift in itself. And I think the gift and the privilege should be celebrated no matter how you got that bib. And I think that the other piece where like some of the social media people that are gifted bibs that I get catching a bad rep, if somebody has respect and love,

then they deserve all the clothes as well. Do you know what I mean? It's only where if you show up and you don't respect and love the rules and the community that somebody should be able to say something negative about your entry. And not once again, these are just opinions from the Panda.

Ptara Pterodactyl (44:54)
I'm right there with you and I use your line that we get to do this. I use that a lot because you know, it's from somebody who had a very severe injury where I was down and out for two months. I was like, man, I would take back a shitty run right now if I could. So whenever I'm out there now and I'm like, my God, this hurts. I'm like, I get to do this. I get to do this because there's a lot of people that wish they were in my shoes right now. So I love that line.

Lavatory Lindsey (44:55)
I mean, I'm in agreement, yeah.

Maurice Lowman (44:58)
We get to, yeah.

Right now. Right now. Yes.

It's so,

it's so true. And that's why like, it was it was that that's what made it easy for me to embrace the rest in recovery, because I don't want to be that guy that says and I once again, I'm not trying to sound ignorant. I don't want to be somebody that says, well, I used to run, but I didn't listen to my doctor and now and then the other piece is there are people that will never be able to run that look at us and they're like, look how fortunate they are. So

Lavatory Lindsey (45:40)
You

Mm-hmm.

Maurice Lowman (45:49)
That's where that kind of fire comes from when I'm like, don't talk negative about marathon entries. Because you can't, you shouldn't.

Lavatory Lindsey (45:57)
So

for Chicago, do you have a goal or are you going to be running with your daughter-in-law the whole time or your friends or what's your plan?

Maurice Lowman (46:05)
So the goal, like to put numbers on it, the A goal a few months back was to have it be a PR race and run a 339 marathon, which is like an 830 pace. would be, my current PR is 341. So that goal has been adjusted. I'll be very happy with, especially having to shut down the running right now for a couple of weeks, I'll be very happy with the sub four. I'll be very happy with any four and a half hour finish. don't wanna, I've learned that it's much more than

a number on the clock. ⁓ Do I want to run a marathon PR again? Yes, heck yes, like heck, heck, heck yes. But it might not be in six weeks. It might be in six months. So I'm ⁓ being Mr. Mature and saying like, let's have fun. Let's toe the line healthy and strong. And any number on that clock will get me a medal. And that's the goal. So to answer your question,

Lavatory Lindsey (46:35)
Mm-hmm

you

Maurice Lowman (47:01)
It was $3.39, then it was $3.45. $3.59 would be awesome, but I'm not going to be sad if it's like a $4.30.

Lavatory Lindsey (47:07)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, you're gonna have a, it's so much fun.

Ptara Pterodactyl (47:12)
There's also so many factors too. Like, I mean, the weather,

could, you know, you could have some code browns. I hope that knock on wood that that's not happening.

Maurice Lowman (47:19)
I've

Lavatory Lindsey (47:20)
You

Maurice Lowman (47:20)
been pretty lucky with that. I I've made some I'm the guy that like is like the poster boy for don't do anything new on racing and then I was like 27 marathons in and I signed up for a marathon and ate like a pound of Seamers and fried clams like the night before the marathon. So Eric, there was a couple of cold rounds on marathon morning. was so grateful for clean out houses, but I was like, wait.

Ptara Pterodactyl (47:36)
God.

Lavatory Lindsey (47:37)
no!

Ptara Pterodactyl (47:41)
I would think so.

haha

Maurice Lowman (47:47)
People are probably at like mile seven and I'm still in the bathroom. ⁓ That's my code round for this episode. So no fried clams and steamers. Another time I bought these shorts that matched my sneakers because I thought they looked really cool and I had never ran in them. And I start off the race and I'm like,

Ptara Pterodactyl (47:58)
No fisherman's platter the night before a marathon. Got it.

Lavatory Lindsey (48:02)
Good, yes, heard.

Ptara Pterodactyl (48:12)
Hmm.

Maurice Lowman (48:15)
Oh, these aren't running short. So it was like, no, no movement. I think I think it cost me a 359 that day. ran a lot of chasing, but the shorts looked awesome. I should have ran I should have did like a race dress rehearsal like you're supposed to do. So now I

Lavatory Lindsey (48:17)
Hahaha

Ptara Pterodactyl (48:24)
Ouch. How was the chafing on that after? ⁓ man. I looked so cool though.

Lavatory Lindsey (48:32)
It hurt but I looked

so good.

Ptara Pterodactyl (48:41)
Yes.

Maurice Lowman (48:44)
I do kind of, you know, do the right thing and make sure I'm wearing something comfortable and I mean the suit, the suit's comfortable.

Ptara Pterodactyl (48:50)
Oh my gosh.

Lavatory Lindsey (48:50)
You

Ptara Pterodactyl (48:54)
So another thing you're going for in Chicago is your third star?

Maurice Lowman (48:58)
Yes, so Boston, New York and now Chicago. So now I have to become international. I have to be international Panda next year and travel somewhere ⁓ and get a fourth star. also, mean, so the big goal and a lot of people have these goals. I do want to run Badwater one day. I do want to be a seven and seven finisher. Shout out to like people like Becca Pizzi. ⁓ I also have a client at work. He's now a friend. His name's Nick. Super humble, super quiet, super under the radar.

Ptara Pterodactyl (49:04)
International Panda.

Lavatory Lindsey (49:05)
Absolutely.

Mm-hmm.

Maurice Lowman (49:26)
We just started talking one day at work when he was getting his car fixed. And obviously I was talking about running. mean, I don't know if you can believe that or not, but I was talking about running and he's like, oh yeah, I did the seven and seven. And I was like, wait, what? I was like, you did what? He's like, oh yeah, seven marathons, seven continents, seven days. I'm like, you mean the great world race? I was like, you've done it?

Lavatory Lindsey (49:35)
Hahaha

Just casually drops it.

Ptara Pterodactyl (49:42)
Humble. Yeah.

haha

Maurice Lowman (49:53)
So he tells me and he shows me the pictures and he tells me about Antarctica and Asia and Miami and I'm like, that is so crazy. Like I would have a tattoo that says, have I told you about the great world race? So yeah, seven by seven. And I tell you about the seven and seven. ⁓ That's a huge goal. I met the director at the Boston Marathon weekend this past year. ⁓ Super cool down to earth guy. ⁓ His name's.

Lavatory Lindsey (50:05)
about my 7x7.

Maurice Lowman (50:21)
Skipping me right now, but like we he gave me like his phone number and was like follow us on show So shoot me a message my big goal is to You know raise some money for charity get some corporate sponsorship and go out there and do it I have that attitude that like if all they want me to do is show up and run I can show up and run So I think that's a huge huge like dream goal of mine I want to get some more 100 mile buckles so I can

qualified to apply to Badwater. Another shout out to Lori because she's a Badwater finisher and I was privileged enough to be a crew member and get an experience out there. I remember jumping out of the van at my first pacing duty. It was so hot. There were flies biting me. My feet were burning. My skin felt like it was burning and I'm looking at my watch and I'm not even at like mile 1.3 and I'm like you better not complain.

Ptara Pterodactyl (50:52)
Yes she is.

Maurice Lowman (51:16)
you better not complain because she

Lavatory Lindsey (51:17)
You

Maurice Lowman (51:18)
has like 80 miles on her legs and she's not complaining. So ⁓ it's it's such an amazing event. I love the heat. So to be out there and be able to compete at the world's toughest foot race, like everybody knows about it. It's just, it's such a huge challenge. You see these people just like pushing the limits and that's what I love so much. even like, even if you never do an ultra marathon, even if

Lavatory Lindsey (51:21)
You

Maurice Lowman (51:45)
I remember one time I had a coworker and she was a former division one runner, competed at a very high level and she probably would never do anything longer than a 5k or a 10k. But she said something one day, she was like, really don't like when people say, well, have you done the New York marathon? Have you done the Boston marathon? Like you can't tie a distance to whether or not you're a runner or not. She runs way faster than me, way more consistent.

Lavatory Lindsey (52:09)
Mm-hmm.

Maurice Lowman (52:13)
loves running. It's part of her identity, part of her life, but she'll never do more than six miles probably. So it just, I've really opened up my eyes to the community, to the sport. When I first started running and training, I didn't even know what an 800 was, you know? So there's just so many pieces. And just because you're an ultra runner doesn't mean that you're any better. Not that people act like this, but I'm I'm speaking freely. Like it,

A 5K runner is just as excited and works just as hard as somebody that's going out and training for an ultra. And that's the other cool thing about the community. There's just so many places where you can find a place to kind of, you know, call your home and just, and chase down personal goals. And, the coolest part about like me having the opportunity to build a community and hold the local event is you get people that have never run before that are like,

I wanna do the Panda Posse 5K, I wanna do the Run Roadie, I wanna do the Monster Dash 5K, I wanna do this event, how do I do it? I need to start running, I'm gonna do a mile and have families that, like mom and daughter teams or husband and wife teams that have never done this before that are now training for their first 5K because of meeting somebody like Tara, meeting somebody like myself. If we can do it,

they can do it. So that's what's really cool is it's just like in sobriety. You want to celebrate the newcomers. So I'm so pumped up that I'm still able to do this and then I'm able to kind of open doors and hold hands for some newcomers. And I never want to lose the gratitude of that role that people look at me as like, you know, I look at people as like, OG's in in the game that I've been doing this for years. see you, you've heard me.

on Insta when I'm screaming, you know, I'm not the strongest, I'm not the fastest, I haven't been doing this the longest, but positivity plus gratitude, you know what the song is. Like there's so many people that have been doing this for so long and I learned so much from them and to have people look at me as somebody that they can learn from is a gift in itself.

Lavatory Lindsey (54:26)
You know, one of the things that I really like about you and about other kind of social media influencers who are runners nowadays, you see a lot of positivity, you see a lot of inclusivity, know, people encouraging new runners and encouraging slower runners and faster runners and people who run a mile, people who run 100 miles. And I feel like...

That is like the best thing about social media nowadays because when I first started running it was It was so different like social media was not what it is now and I and I feel like there was way more negativity it was like a lot of snobbery when it came to running like I would see a lot of people on like runners world post be like if you can't run a sub 4 marathon, you're not a runner like it just be all this like negative bullshit

Maurice Lowman (55:16)
Right.

Lavatory Lindsey (55:19)
And nowadays I feel like within the last like five years especially just there's been so much more more accounts more people out there who are who are willing to be like hey I'm slow and I still do it or I you know I only run a mile and I and I consider myself a runner or I'm a bigger runner and it's like you see so much more of that whereas you know when I first started people would be like well you don't look like a runner or ⁓ you're not fast so you're not a runner and

I really appreciate,

Maurice Lowman (55:50)
That.

Lavatory Lindsey (55:50)
you know, people like you that bring people together.

Maurice Lowman (55:53)
That I appreciate you.

I appreciate you saying that. And it took me years to realize. So my first experience was a local half marathon. And once again, to tie into the sobriety stuff, I was coming out of being incarcerated. So I was in jail, got out, wanted to stay clean. My partner at the time signed me up for a local half marathon, knowing that I had this dream of like running a marathon, but didn't really know the magnitude of it. So I was like, let's start with the half.

And I run this local half marathon, not knowing anything about the community. And I received so much acceptance and positive feedback that that's where like the high fives and positive vibes was born. And throughout my first couple of years of running, so this was 2014 and 15, it was always, it was, I never experienced any negative happenings where like,

because of my income level, because of the color of my skin, because of like the type of car I drove, because I'm a nine minute guy or an eight minute guy or a 745 guy, I never received any judgment in a negative way. And I wanna continue that. know that with, especially with social media, there are people that say, well, he runs a six hour marathon, that shouldn't count. Or she runs, you know,

She's only like, there should be no negativity and we have to continue celebrating the all races, the all paces, all races. And I'm not being ignorant. know people have experienced negative stuff when it comes to, you know, ⁓ discrimination and so forth. And that's why I take pride in my role to be like, Hey, I'm somebody that can relate to being a person of color. I'm somebody that can relate to coming from different social economic backgrounds. And I never had, no, don't get me wrong.

Lavatory Lindsey (57:41)
Mm-hmm.

Maurice Lowman (57:45)
That's the other piece, like running is a free sport, but not everything is accessible. Not everybody can afford to take a week off from work and get a flight and get a hotel and do these world major things. ⁓ Even if you qualify, even if you're somebody that qualifies for a marathon, you might be stressed or upset about how you're going to make this happen. So I never want to be ignorant to that, but we need to celebrate the fact that it's a gift. Everybody's welcome.

You may not like some of the rules and qualifications, but if you continue to love and respect those rules and qualifications, you can really, really find joy in this community. And if somebody's getting up and running 10 miles at a 15 minute pace, that's bad ass. There's nothing negative to say about that. We need to celebrate everybody because there's so many other things they could be doing than trying to better themselves. And with me,

Lavatory Lindsey (58:38)
Mm-hmm.

Maurice Lowman (58:40)
I've never been super fast, you know, and I just, I love that you brought that up because we need to celebrate, we need to celebrate everybody. ⁓ Cause we're all cool. We all have cool stories. You know what I mean? You don't sign up for a marathon or a half marathon or a 5k or a 10k because you don't love it because you don't want to be around your friends because you don't want to like get off the couch. There's so many positive pieces to celebrate. And that's why I'll never stop being the chair leader one time.

And I'm always all over the place and off track. But one time I'm at this local race and it's like mile one of the half marathon and I'm yelling my mantra like 13.1 for breakfast or let's go. Let's go. Let's go. 13.1 for breakfast. We got this. And I overheard somebody and they were like, look at this guy. I'd like to see him at mile 11 and see if he's still screaming. Right. So it's like mile 11 and I'm still screaming.

and I'm still passing out high fives and everything. So after the race, ⁓ the guy comes up to me and he's like, hey, I just wanna let you know I might've come across as like a jerk, but he's like, I'm not, I think you're really cool. He's like, I just didn't think you were gonna have that kind of energy for 13 miles. And he's like, you proved me wrong. ⁓ He's like, it's really cool that you're out there cheering for everybody. And now we're friends on Facebook. He's much older than me, he does a ton of races.

Lavatory Lindsey (59:38)
Ha ha ha!

Maurice Lowman (1:00:07)
And it was just so cool to have him like kind of, I love the recognition obviously, but I'm rewarded as well. When I see, like I love like the out and back races when you see like the super fast people coming towards you and I'm yelling at them and trying to give them high fives. And don't get me wrong, some people are just locked in and they don't wanna high five and they don't wanna be yelled at. ⁓ But to have somebody come up to you after the race and be like, man, your energy is nuts. Like I only had.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:00:19)
Mmm.

Maurice Lowman (1:00:36)
miles left and I didn't know how I was gonna do it and you're yelling at me to don't quit and to go get it and you're yelling all these crazy things like good money and he's like I like I love it I love it like I want more of it so that fires me up ⁓ and yeah it takes a lot of energy when you're in a race and you're yelling and screaming and I used to get this all the time like don't you know you'd run faster if you weren't yelling and screaming and passing out high five but I'm not gonna win the thing I'm not gonna win the marathon I'm not gonna win the half marathon and there was a time

Lavatory Lindsey (1:00:40)
You

Maurice Lowman (1:01:06)
where like I was locked in and went for a marathon PR and didn't do any screaming and yelling and I got the PR. So I celebrated that day. I celebrated being locked in, but 99 % of the time, I'm gonna be the guy yelling and screaming and passing out high fives.

Eric (1:01:21)
I want a high five. Can I get a high five?

Maurice Lowman (1:01:23)
Boom!

Lavatory Lindsey (1:01:25)
Who's this guy?

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:01:25)
Who is this? Who invited this guy? I never sent you... I didn't send you the link!

Eric (1:01:27)
That would be wicked awesome. You know what else?

Maurice Lowman (1:01:29)
Wicked us, we got them on Mount Washington.

Eric (1:01:33)
You know what

Lavatory Lindsey (1:01:33)
Who let

you in?

Eric (1:01:33)
else I want to know? I want to know, Tara, how are you not in bed right now? It's 8 15 PM. Yeah. It's, it's Mo. Yeah. You stay up all night for Mo. Oh, Hey, I tuned in a little while. I've been listening. This has been fun. I mean, I was in producer mode, but I wanted to come on because Mo, I'm looking at your t-shirt and it made me think of something.

Maurice Lowman (1:01:35)
Yeah.

She stayed up late for me.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:01:41)
I'm nodding, it's Moe. I'd stay up till midnight for Moe.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:01:42)
It's because it's mo.

Maurice Lowman (1:01:45)
Ha ha.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:01:47)
I'd up to 24 hours.

Maurice Lowman (1:01:49)
24 hours.

Eric (1:02:02)
I want to break news on the re-crap. Can we break news on the re-crap? Mo, what are you doing on September 18th? That's a Thursday night.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:02:04)
⁓ I know the news.

Maurice Lowman (1:02:05)
I'm coming.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:02:06)
Yes?

Maurice Lowman (1:02:13)
Going is to you.

Eric (1:02:14)
That's right, because we're gonna do a live show at 7 p.m. Marathon Sports, Manchester, New Hampshire, in front of a crowd. It is official. If I had the boop boop boop boop boooo button right now, I would do the button. But we're gonna have a live show. It might be posted by now on social media, but it hasn't been announced on the pod. I know I've been telling a lot of people, save the date, but I haven't told people what the deal is. But yeah.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:02:27)
Pew, pew, pew, pew.

Maurice Lowman (1:02:30)
Alone.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:02:32)
Yes.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:02:32)
You got the balloons

from Mo.

Maurice Lowman (1:02:44)
But

Eric (1:02:44)
There's gonna be a run club there on that Thursday night and after the run club, we're doing a live show. There's gonna be pizza. There's gonna be a sock in a shoe demo. I think UCan's gonna be there. We're gonna maybe have some raffle giveaways like fundraising raffles. So like, you you pay a few dollars for a ticket, goes towards marathon fundraising. We're working out those details. Gotta find out if we can do it legally, you know.

Maurice Lowman (1:02:52)
Pizza.

Love it.

Eric (1:03:08)
⁓ Lots of official stuff that happens when you plan a live show with another brand and company. you know, it's been big news. I've been teasing. I'm finally able to announce it.

Maurice Lowman (1:03:19)
I love it. I love it. I can't wait for it. I'll be there.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:03:19)
this so exciting.

Eric (1:03:22)
And you know what's funny, Tara, they asked Erica, go, should we have headphones on? And I go, I might. And then I go, actually, that might look silly the way it will be set up. We'll talk about that later. I said, but you know, I might have Tara behind a curtain with headphones in the mixer to make sure it sounds good. And then I'm like, I don't know if she'll like that, because then she won't get to actually watch. She'll just be listening behind a curtain.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:03:43)
Right. Listen, have

to stay up past seven o'clock. I want to be seen. People need to know I'm there. OK.

Eric (1:03:49)
That's true.

That's true. So it's going to be ⁓ less than an hour. It's about, we have a couple guests. I'm not going to announce our guests yet, just in case it hasn't been announced on social media yet, but they're local New Hampshire coaches. I'll tell you that. And we're going to talk marathon training, training plans, and also like the lead up to your marathon, like the taper race day strategy. And then we'll, that will be like 30 minutes and then we're going to have a

Lavatory Lindsey (1:04:10)
You

Eric (1:04:19)
Time for a Q &A and pictures for whoever wants to them with Erica because she's much prettier than I am.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:04:26)
Can we do autographs too?

Lavatory Lindsey (1:04:29)
You

Eric (1:04:29)
Wow,

you know what's funny is I've only been asked for an autograph once in my life. And it has nothing to do with podcasts, but whenever I hear that, it makes me think of it. I was in Daytona working NASCAR. I had some equipment. I had a pit crew gun actually, and I wasn't even the tire changer. I was the jack man. And I was just carrying some stuff over, and this little kid asked me for an autograph. And I laughed and I go, because I have like an official shirt on. And I go, I'm nobody.

And then after that, I was like, you know what? Damn, I, I wish I signed it. Like, why did I just, no, I just, laughed and I go, dude, I'm not anybody special. The dad goes, are you just a crew? And I'm like, yeah, I'm just a pit crew. And, but you, you know what? That might've been my first ever race. It was my first ever race or it was the first race of the next year. can't remember, but yeah, I was asked for an autograph once when I worked at NASCAR. Why didn't I do it? I don't know.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:05:00)
You're somebody.

You didn't? You should have, dude.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:05:12)
Ha

Maurice Lowman (1:05:21)
.

Eric (1:05:27)
But hey, yeah.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:05:27)
Wait, can

you imagine if that kid listens to On The Runs now? It's like, that was me!

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:05:30)
He's gonna call in when you have a live show

Eric (1:05:30)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

Maurice Lowman (1:05:31)
Ha ha ha.

Eric (1:05:36)
I highly doubt that. But I'm excited that you guys had Mo on. Like, I think this is exactly the foundation that the two of you wanted to build with this. Originally, I don't even know if we spoke about it, I thought the re-crap was gonna be talk about our past four episodes, what went on in the last month, and said you two wanted to go back into like...

Lavatory Lindsey (1:05:37)
You

Mm-hmm.

Eric (1:05:56)
deep into the archives and find our old pod fam who hasn't been on in a while. And I love it.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:06:00)
Yeah.

Yep.

Maurice Lowman (1:06:03)
I'm grateful to be on here with all of y'all.

Eric (1:06:05)
Yeah, I love that you guys do this.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:06:06)
We are so

grateful that you joined us.

Eric (1:06:09)
I can't wait to edit it because I've only heard the last 15 minutes. I can't wait to hear everything and yeah, all right. nice, nice.

Maurice Lowman (1:06:14)
gave you a code brown shout out.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:06:16)
Yeah, we got a code brown from Moe. It's a good one. Actually

Maurice Lowman (1:06:18)
Got a code brown from.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:06:19)
Yeah.

The first few minutes were kind of a disaster, sorry. Surprise, surprise!

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:06:21)
two.

Maurice Lowman (1:06:24)
⁓ yeah.

Eric (1:06:24)
Well, hey, it's

a disaster. Erica and I had a disaster the other day with our recording, and it was on my end. The internet on my end for some reason was so bad, I ended up turning my computer off, recording it from my phone for part of it, and then I restarted my computer and all was good for the next guest. The next one was like, I'm not gonna give away our guest that we recorded with. That was a disaster, but I'll tell you what, there's a restaurant named after her.

Maurice Lowman (1:06:26)
Yeah. ⁓

Okay.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:06:52)
I know

who it is. Also a drink.

Eric (1:06:52)
That's a clue, that's a clue.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:06:54)
Okay, alright.

Okay.

Eric (1:06:55)
A drink, yeah, that's really giving it away. Local New Hampshire runners with no but mo, this is so cool. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna let the girls finish up here. And I just wanna say, hey girls, I know you're taking a break, because Tara's in golf season, so you won't be back I think till November. But the two of you kicked ass this year. You absolutely like, is this number nine?

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:07:11)
Yep.

That's a great question. Wait till you hear our intro.

Eric (1:07:19)
I think this is number nine. So

Lavatory Lindsey (1:07:20)
Did I say, I said nine, right?

Eric (1:07:22)
you're slightly above once a month on average and the goal was one a month. Way to go girls. Great job. think if I had the... Yeah. Well, hey, good luck with your coaching season. I won't press you to do anything until Thanksgiving and then the Christmas special. And Mo, I'll see you on the 18th. You guys are awesome. Thanks for being rock stars. Hey.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:07:26)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. We're dropping stools left and right.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:07:29)
Thanks

boss. Just dropping the samples.

Maurice Lowman (1:07:41)
I'll see you on the 18th. Thanks Eric.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:07:44)
Thanks, boss.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:07:46)
Bye, boss.

Eric (1:07:47)
Have fun the rest of the episode. Don't say anything mean about me, but talk all the on Erika that you want.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:07:52)
Never. Never.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:07:53)
No, Eric is too nice.

Eric (1:07:54)
I

just went running with her too. She's the best. I love her too. You guys are awesome Thank you for making this dream come true. I'll talk to you later. Mo. I love you Bye

Lavatory Lindsey (1:07:59)
She is the best.

Maurice Lowman (1:08:04)
Have

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:08:05)
⁓

Lavatory Lindsey (1:08:06)
Bye, Eric.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:08:07)
Bye, Erk!

Lavatory Lindsey (1:08:08)
So, actually Mo, we're an hour in. So we're probably going to... What do you have planned after Chicago? Let's wrap it up with that. So what do you have going on after?

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:08:14)
Yeah, can. Yeah, what's what's after Chicago? What's what's on the

Maurice Lowman (1:08:19)
Thank

you.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:08:20)
rest of 2025? What are we doing?

Maurice Lowman (1:08:22)
love to sneak in another ultra, but that might be, you know, a little unrealistic. So the next big goal would be May of 2026, possibly the keys 100 or return to Riverlands 100 where I am over to I ran 84 miles, I think both years before getting timed out. So I love that race. I think it's they said 26 is going to be the last year. So I'd love to see myself return

to that race, it's in Turner, Maine. ⁓ It's super technical. It's a 25 mile loop four times. And I want the buckle there ⁓ or the keys. Because I just love the heat. I love the flat pavement. ⁓ So another 100 mile race is on the agenda after Chicago. So the training would shift towards that. ⁓ Strength training is going great. Yoga is going great. Work is going great. ⁓

Lavatory Lindsey (1:09:13)
Nice.

Maurice Lowman (1:09:20)
If anybody can check out my fundraiser, the link is in my bio, not to sound corny. ⁓ yeah, Marat Bob Pandemore Reese running these streets on Instagram.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:09:26)
Yeah, where can people find you? Not that-

Lavatory Lindsey (1:09:27)
No, no, nothing corny about it.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:09:31)
Yes, if you don't follow him, you live under a rock. ⁓ But

Lavatory Lindsey (1:09:35)
He's

basically the only account you need to follow. You need to, just for all the positivity.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:09:36)
go follow him. Seriously, it's the best.

Maurice Lowman (1:09:39)
Yes.

I appreciate the hype. Yeah. And I try to keep the positivity and hype posts coming even now not being able to run for the next week or so. ⁓ I try to stay pretty consistent with the posting. So shout out to Marathon Sports and Lululemon and Hearn Project for believing in me, believing in my vision and just letting me be an ambassador. I'm also part of Team Runner.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:09:43)
Yes, it is all that, Ansem.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:09:44)
Yeah, no, you're wonderful.

Maurice Lowman (1:10:07)
So like I gotta give them a shout out. The app is awesome. It's check it out. You can use my code. I mean, sometimes I feel silly saying stuff like that, like use my code and stuff, but it's so cool to like have a little role and be hooked up with like these legit brands that believe in you. ⁓

Lavatory Lindsey (1:10:23)
Yeah.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:10:23)
Yeah, mean, lululemon,

that's huge. I'm wearing some lulu right now. ⁓

Lavatory Lindsey (1:10:26)
That is, yeah, that is

what I

Maurice Lowman (1:10:28)
I rocked

the brand for so many years before I got the role and they're so awesome. They show up to all of my events and they give me gear for my events. It's just such a cool, cool opportunity. When they approached me, they were like, we literally want you to just keep doing what you're doing to be a positive, consistent guy that you are. Stay tuned.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:10:30)
love it.

Those are the brands that you want

to work with because they don't want to change you. They just want you to keep doing what you're doing and give them a little love.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:10:55)
Right.

Maurice Lowman (1:10:55)
Right. And

if you me 10 years ago that I'd be hooking up with brands on any level, was like a far, it was just not reality. So to have that opportunity, stay tuned because I am planning another Panda Posse local event. It will be in Providence. You'll have plenty of heads up that you can come down. It'll be a local 5K or 10K. That's a fun run with like shirts and snacks and all that good stuff. So.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:11:12)
you

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:11:16)
Yeah.

Maurice Lowman (1:11:25)
Just make sure you stay tuned for that. I'd love to have 200 people watching. Yeah. Yeah.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:11:26)
Ooh, we're manifest a pod trip to Providence. We're

Lavatory Lindsey (1:11:28)
I'm in. I'm making that happen. No, my... Yeah.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:11:33)
doing it, Eric, we're gonna expense this on the company, okay? Awesome. Well, Mo, yeah.

Maurice Lowman (1:11:36)
I'm not sure.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:11:40)
All right, well thank you so much for joining us, Mo. It was awesome.

Maurice Lowman (1:11:43)
high fives and positive vibes and just remember

Lavatory Lindsey (1:11:45)
High fives.

Maurice Lowman (1:11:46)
that no matter what darkness you're facing you can make it to the light if you just make positive changes consistently. Believe in yourself, ask for help, all that good stuff. Amen.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:11:55)
Amen.

Awesome. All right. Thanks, Mo. Hopefully we'll see you soon on the streets. All right.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:11:58)
Thank you, Mo.

Maurice Lowman (1:12:00)
Thank you both. Thank you. Okay. Yeah. Do I have to wait for

Lavatory Lindsey (1:12:03)
Yeah. Yeah, see you next month. Yeah.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:12:12)
Well, that was an awesome episode. I've been wanting to hear what Mo's been up to since he's been on, he was on On The Runs and since we saw him at the Boston Marathon. So that was.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:12:24)
Yeah, I've actually he's

he's been on a couple other people's podcasts and he always like shares them and I listen to them because he just like has a way with words. He's such a great speaker and his story is just so inspiring. And I could just, you know, I listen. mean, he tells his story and it's the same story, but he tells it on different podcasts and I listen to all of them and he's just awesome. He's such a cool dude. really is. I'm grateful that we were able to meet him through this. ⁓

Lavatory Lindsey (1:12:28)
Yeah.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:12:50)
podcast, at least I, me and social media and stuff and you know, I can call him a friend. So that's awesome.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:12:53)
Yeah.

Well no, and it's also like just nice to listen to someone be so positive despite everything they've been through and then it makes me think about the things I've been through and I'm like, gosh, I'm such a baby. Like, yeah, totally. Definitely. So yeah.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:13:07)
Right? Perspective, right? Yeah. Yeah, he's definitely ⁓

changed a lot of people's lives. And, you know, ⁓ he's influenced me because again, like I said, I always use that line, we get to do this, you know, it's like, I'm not, we, you know, I don't have to be out here, but I am because I'm able and, you know, it's just, again, So, ⁓ Mo, thanks. Yes, your comeback.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:13:16)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Yeah, we don't.

I feel like this is adding fire to my... I've been on

such a slump. Yeah. I've been slumpin'.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:13:38)
Just you know what you do, just go to Mo's Instagram

and just keep scrolling, count to like 20 and then watch every single video. And he's like, he's like the positive ⁓ Goggins. He really is. So yeah, he's the nice Goggins. You'll be like running out the house running a marathon in no time. So.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:13:44)
That's totally what I'm gonna do

He's the nice Goggins.

wait,

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:14:01)
we do need to mention some sponsors. So we've got Right Socks, who have and My Race Tats and they've been ⁓ donating proceeds to Eric and Erica's ⁓ Marathon Charities, which is awesome. ⁓ Yeah, yep. So go check those guys out, get some socks and tats. I actually have both. I bought some tattoos. They're awesome. Socks are super comfy.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:14:02)
⁓ Yes.

Yep, 15 % of the sales, right? Yeah.

socks are amazing. You will not be disappointed.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:14:26)
And then, no,

not at all. And then check us out on social media. Follow us on Instagram, Facebook, but that's for old people. We're old. Well, I'm old, according to Adeline. YouTube, TikTok. And then if you want to be a Patreon, be a Patreon. Support us because this is fun. I love doing this.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:14:34)
Instagram

YouTube.

TikTok, if you're old then I'm, yeah, I'm much older now. YouTube TikTok, yeah.

Yeah. It's so

much, it is the best.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:14:54)
It's so great. I love being a part

of this. I really do. I mean, it's 830 and I'm awake. That's how much I love this. So.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:14:58)
Well, yeah. Well, thank you

guys for joining us for sample nine, which I think we said sample eight. Sample nine? We'll go with boss, with boss man. ⁓ my gosh, I'm gonna get balloons.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:15:04)
Sample nine, we're gonna go with sample nine. Yep, we gotta make sample 10 big double digits. Double digits. We'll

bring Bex on. I'm sure she'll just answer my emails. So.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:15:17)
Totally, absolutely. Yeah.

So have a good night guys, and remember...

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:15:22)
Yes.

Never, ever trust a fart. And. All right, see you next time.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:15:25)
And don't forget your bow wipes. Goodnight guys.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:16:22)
maybe but Eric can cut out this.

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:16:22)
⁓ I don't want to. Yeah, I don't want

to mess it up. He'll know.

Lavatory Lindsey (1:16:31)
Don't cut that out. I don't know what that was, but...

Ptara Pterodactyl (1:16:35)
I don't know. I don't know what Mo's doing right now. Is he, are

we in the bathroom with him? ⁓ I don't know what, what kind of podcast is this? Protein shake, okay.

Maurice Lowman (1:16:39)
Hahaha

Lavatory Lindsey (1:16:42)
Do you need help, dude?

Maurice Lowman (1:16:44)
That was my protein shake or that drop them.