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Up-Level Your Life with Mindy
Up-Level Your Life with Mindy
Finding Your Authentic Self Through Nature's Wisdom - with B. Jason Gibler
When we look at the environmental challenges facing our planet, it's easy to feel overwhelmed and disconnected. But what if healing Earth starts with healing ourselves? In this transformative conversation, clinical psychotherapist and leadership coach B. Jason Gibler reveals how reconnecting with ancient earth-based wisdom might be our path forward.
Growing up off-grid in the forests of the American West, Jason developed a profound connection to nature that would later shape his approach to spiritual psychology. Drawing from his Mexican heritage and extensive study of wisdom traditions ranging from Mesoamerican shamanism to Buddhism, he's crafted a unique approach that bridges science and spirituality.
At the heart of Jason's work lies a powerful truth: wellness requires both connection and authenticity. While modern society has pushed us toward separation and differentiation, we've lost the integration that balances it. He explains how this mirrors the imbalance between divine masculine and feminine energies that has led to environmental degradation over thousands of years.
The conversation takes a fascinating turn when Jason discusses befriending our fears rather than overcoming them. By approaching difficult emotions with curiosity instead of judgment, we transform our relationship with ourselves and discover what these emotions are trying to teach us. This inner healing process ultimately extends outward, changing how we interact with others and the natural world.
Jason's upcoming book, "The Way of the Jaguar," weaves these concepts into a narrative journey where power animals reveal spiritual truths to a disconnected land developer. Through storytelling, Jason makes ancient wisdom accessible to modern readers seeking deeper meaning without religious dogma.
Whether you're feeling burned out, spiritually disconnected, or simply curious about earth-based traditions, this episode offers practical insights for reconnecting with your authentic self and recognizing your place within the great circle of life. By learning to love all parts of ourselves—even those we'd prefer to hide—we develop greater capacity to extend that same acceptance to others and the planet we share.
Take a walk in nature, feel the ground beneath your feet, and remember: the divine energy flowing through all living things flows through you too.
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hey, friends, this is your host, mindy duff, and you're listening to up level your life with mindy, your number one personal growth podcast that will bring you closer to uncovering your greatest self. As a certified holistic health and nutrition coach, I created this podcast for anyone who desires to improve physically, emotionally and spiritually. I'll be interviewing experts and sharing tips and tricks that have helped not only my clients, but that have guided me on my own transformational journey. I believe that we all have a greatness that lies within. We just need to uncover it. Are you ready to level up? Then let's begin.
Speaker 1:Hey everyone, and welcome back to Uplevel your Life with Mindy. I am your host, mindy Duff, and I have a guest with me. Today I'm going to be talking with Jason Gibbler and we're going to be talking about a lot of things. I'm super excited for this conversation. He's got a book. I'll tell you about the book. We're going to get into some, I don't know. Basically, when you're done listening to this episode, you're going to learn some new tricks on how to live a better life. How's that? Does that sum everything up pretty good?
Speaker 1:So let me officially introduce Jason here. He is a clinical psychotherapist, a leadership coach and the founder of Eco Spiritual Psychology. He's also the author of a soon to be released book, the Way of the Jaguar, a bold mystical allegory that leads readers on a shamanic quest to the depths of consciousness, where power animals reveal ancient truths for healing purpose and the future of life on earth. If that doesn't sound like an interesting book description, then you must not be a reader, because that sounds amazing. Jason's work weaves together neuroscience, psychology, the science of human bonding and enduring spiritual wisdom to help people transform trauma into meaning. He supports leaders, visionaries and changemakers in building lives rooted in authenticity, emotional courage and deep connection to self, family, community and the planet. Through eco-spiritual psychology, jason offers a path that is both grounded and transformative, inviting us to remember who we are, why we're here and how we can help restore wholeness in ourselves, our communities and the world around us. Welcome Jason to the show.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much, Mindy. I'm really excited to talk.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and what a what a bio. Um, just for everybody listening, jason did send me a short bio and I did. I chose the long one because I liked it. I was like, man, this is so cool, all this stuff. I'm really really interested in this because, um, I have not, I have not had a podcast where we talked about the earth. I mean at all really. It's just you know our own little human lives running around, and now I'm curious to see how we can incorporate some of your ideas into our lives. So, first and foremost, you have a book. Has it been released yet or is it still? It's close, right.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah so. So it's going to be released kind of in stages. So the first part is like an early readers preview which is going to be released May 22nd 2025, which is about three weeks from now. So that's exciting. I'm really really excited for that. And then that's on Kindle and then it'll be released later in the year in other forms. So that's what's happening.
Speaker 1:And tell us a little bit about this book, the Way of the Jaguar. How did you even come up with an idea to write this book?
Speaker 2:Well, you know, it's really interesting how this all came to be. I think it's really been waiting to blossom pretty much my whole life.
Speaker 2:You know I've spent a lot of time out in the wilderness and you know my early story I was for the first five years of my life I lived off grid in the forests of the American West, essentially all the way from New Mexico up to northwestern Montana, and so always being in nature and always being around animals was really my early spirituality. And you know there's so much great wisdom out in nature that always being around animals was really my early spirituality, and you know there's so much great wisdom out in nature that you know taught me deep things. But also my family had a lot of trauma. You know, my dad was a war veteran, he was a medic and you know he just had a. He was kind of a scary guy. He was a great guy but when he got triggered he was scary, and so we had a lot of that kind of going on and that was part of the reason why we were living off the grid. But so that's kind of where this all began.
Speaker 2:For me was okay, how do I deal with my own struggle, my own trauma, my own story? You know, what does nature have to say about that? How can it help us? And so I spent, you know, really a lifetime learning all kinds of different wisdom, spiritual wisdom, from every way I could get it, so from you know, indigenous wisdom, to Buddhism, to Hinduism, to Christianity, to, you know anything. And I was always looking at for what is it? What are the deep truths that are that go across all of these different traditions, across all of these different traditions?
Speaker 2:And then, of course, I became a psychotherapist, you know, went back to school, got my master's degree and really studied, you know, the science of human bonding and neuroscience and all of that, and what I found was that there's a thread, you know, that really goes through all of these things.
Speaker 2:And so, you know, often people will be really in the camp of science or in the camp of spirituality, or one religion or another, and for me, when I started looking at that, I was like, well, wait a minute, you know what's, what's the deeper truth that goes through all these things. And so this is how I got into this idea of writing the book, because on the journey, you know, the main character encounters all of these power animals that represent different spiritual wisdom traditions. So, for example, he meets an elephant that represents Buddhism, hinduism. He also meets an anaconda that represents South American indigenous wisdom, and so many, many other power animals and things like that, and so it's just a great vehicle for me to tell a story, but also to teach some great, wonderful, deep truths that I've studied all my life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, such an interesting, interesting background that has led you here and, I think, very, very unique. I'm just kind of curious as you were talking, so did your, were your parents kind of into this also? Or is this just something that you kind of came upon from being a kid just spending a lot of time outside?
Speaker 2:something that you kind of came upon from being a kid just spending a lot of time outside. Well, much of the book comes from Mesoamerican lore, so essentially you know Mexico through Guatemala and all kind of in that area, and my mom was, you know, born in Mexico City and she lived there, you know, till she became a young adult and then moved to the US, and so she had to learn how to speak English when she was 18, which was really really tough for her, and my dad actually lived in Mexico too growing up, and even though he was from the States, his family lived in northern Mexico and so my dad was also a writer, just like I am, and he would tell me a lot of stories about the Aztecs and the Toltecs and you know spiritual healers from that region of the world.
Speaker 2:So much of the book has some of the deep wisdom from that part of the world and all the way back, you know, to the Aztec, the Maya, the Toltec. So these are all you know themes that are in the book?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's interesting and with your upbringing and your research, have you found that a lot of these different? Well, you've mentioned lots of different religions, from Buddhism to Hinduism, to you know things that the Aztecs were doing and whatnot. Have you found a lot of common threads amongst them, even though, I mean, they're so many miles apart from each other, geographically speaking, where these were being practiced the most? But have you found that there are some common themes?
Speaker 2:Yes, for sure, and you know. It's interesting that you mentioned that. You know, not long ago I was in Barcelona and they have there's an amazing church there. I don't know if you've ever been. It's called the Sagrada Familia Beautiful church. They just just about finished it now, but they've been building it for you know, forever, I think, at least a century or so.
Speaker 2:You know. So Gaudi was the architect, and in there, and this is a Catholic church. But when you walk in and you look up, you see a lion with wings, you know, and that represents one of the saints I think it's Mark and then you know, you see all these interesting animals and even as you walk in the front there's, you know, little reptiles and things like that, and there's all kinds of eagles and things throughout. So in all of the different religions, you are going to see nature depicted as a great, great teacher. So even in a religion that you might think wouldn't have any kind of animism or animal power, it's all over the place.
Speaker 2:And of course, in Hinduism, there are all kinds of gods and goddesses that are all you know. Some of them are part animal, you know there are all kinds of things like that. And of course, in Buddhism, you know, there are many symbolic things that are represented by animals. And so one of the things that I do notice is that the earth is throughout all these faith systems and it's always been a great teacher, you know. And so even in you know, some of the teachings of Jesus you know he's talking about. You know, consider the lilies of the field, for example.
Speaker 2:So you know, you hear all this earth wisdom throughout all these great teachings.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's so interesting. I just I love that when there's those common threads and it's like how can that, how can that be, unless it's because there's some element of truth there. I mean, that's just what makes sense to me anyway. Now I'm curious how can the shamanic and earth based wisdom, how can we use all of this to help heal humanity, heal the earth, release some of our trauma? How do we do that?
Speaker 2:Well, the other thread that I think you'll find in all of these different faith systems is deep connection. And what's interesting about this? I'm going to throw in a little bit of the science of all this as well, because I think that for me, I really appreciate not only the spiritual things, but I do love the scientific wisdom and I think it teaches us a lot. And so when we think about scientifically well, what does it mean to be well? How do we find wellness from a scientific standpoint?
Speaker 2:And there's been a ton of research on that, and one of the main you know, kind of leaders in this area is Dr Dan Siegel, and he talks about what he would call the science of human bonding or, you know, attachment theory, which goes back way back to the 60s, when they first started studying this. But essentially, what they found through a great deal of neuroscientific study is that it takes two things for us to be well, and what those two things are are integration and differentiation. So essentially meaning that we have to be connected, but we also have to be ourselves. And what's happened in, you know, in our society, is that we are very disconnected. You know, we get into these little camps and you know here's. You know, this is my group, this is my political viewpoint, this is my religion. Those other people I don't like them, you know, they freak me out. You know we get into this thing. So we have a great deal of differentiation, but we don't have a whole lot of integration or connection. So what we need is both to be ourselves and be deeply connected.
Speaker 2:And if you look at nature, you see that everywhere, you know. So you know, of course, you know the river is connected to the land, and yet it's itself and it gives, you know, water to the land, and then, of course the land, the plants are connected to the land, but of course they're themselves, and you know, and of course you know the sky, you know the rain comes through, connected again to the plants and the earth. And you know the sun brings warmth to you know, to the ground. It's kind of, you know, in many indigenous traditions, you know the sun is representative of divine masculine, the earth is representative of divine feminine, and they have to work together. We can't have one or the other, and together creation just flourishes. And so this idea that at the heart of well-being is this, this sense of being deeply connected to all things but also being ourselves, is really important. So that's what underlies much of my work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that. I talk a lot about authenticity and how you know we need to. I want to live in the world where everyone is being fully in their own own true self all the time, where the people aren't working jobs because, well, it's expected of me or I feel like I have to, or where we don't put certain aspects of our personality in a box because people will think I'm weird. No, you do the weird things, you do the jobs that you like, and then I think that kind of puts all of us more in balance. Like you say, you'll feel better yourself, but then that's going to spread right and it's going to you know, through all of through for everybody.
Speaker 1:So now, what about somebody that does feel disconnected? If they're listening, they're like, well, yes, I am that person. I feel maybe numb or burned out and I'm just. I know I'm not being myself here. What do you recommend for them to reconnect for themselves? And I'm curious to hear this, because I sure have my own list of stuff, but I feel like my list is going to be very different than yours. So how would you help that person?
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, you know, with you know my work in eco spiritual psychology. What I'm really thinking about is first deep connection to self, then deep connection to the people we love you know our families then deep connection to our communities. Then, you know, taking that out and extrapolating it even further, you know, connection to the world, to the earth itself, to the cosmos, recognizing that all these things are connected and so so. But we have to start within.
Speaker 2:You know one of the interesting teachings from Buddhism you know, around compassion start within. You know, one of the interesting teachings from Buddhism, you know around compassion, is that you know you can go out and be compassionate to everybody, but if you're not compassionate to yourself, you've missed the point. You know? And so in Western society we've been taught to disconnect from ourselves, and this is especially prevalent, you know, for men, and you know especially men that grew up in my era. You know there's there's a lot of shaming around emotions and I know it still happens on the playground today. Fortunately it's changing. But you know this, this sense that you know having any kind of sadness is wrong and always be strong, always be powerful. You know we we hear this a lot, and women do too. It's really this thing where you know we've been taught that we have to be. You know charge forward and you know conquer, and you know you know move past our fears and all that stuff.
Speaker 2:There's another way, and another way is to connect more deeply with it. You know, if we can make space for whatever is and we can become friends with it, then we have a chance to find out why it's there in the first place, and maybe it can even become an ally for us.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know. So, rather than overcoming fear, what if we befriended fear and said oh, what are you here to teach me? And once it's taught the lesson, then we can actually transform it into something more powerful for us, so that it doesn't have to freak us out, but it actually becomes a helper. And this is kind of a shamanic teaching, but, but it's really, really a powerful thing to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's such a such a powerful strategy really, and I don't I want to highlight this a little more in case somebody missed it I, I think one of the most annoying things that I've realized on this whole like, I guess, self-improvement journey, if you want to call it that is just that you have to get curious and you have to ask why. And that's annoying to me because, like, I want to just like do it, I want to, I want to just do the journal page and, ah, now I feel better and that that problem's gone. And it doesn't quite work that way. We're always. I know I'm guilty of wanting a quick fix, just as much as anybody else. But if you can, like you're saying when you're triggered or whatever it is that comes up, if you can stop and sit with it, like you're saying when you're triggered or whatever it is that comes up, if you can stop and sit with it, like you say, and ask why, what are you here to teach me? That's so powerful. And you may not get an answer right away, you may have to sit with it several different occasions, but you might. You'll just be amazed.
Speaker 1:I know, in my own life I've had and I'm certainly not done own life.
Speaker 1:I've had and I'm certainly not done, but so many things that, if you just take the time to listen, Debbie Ford has a book called the Dark Side of the Light Chasers. I'm not sure if you're familiar with that one or not, but that's another really powerful book for people that are maybe reluctant to dig into the negative aspects of themselves. I think she frames things in a way that makes it a little more acceptable and okay to love all parts of yourself. And again, like you're saying, if you don't love all parts of yourself, if you're just saying, you know, if you're shoving that, those parts of you that you don't like, in a box and like, oh well, I don't want to be that way, because that's not a nice, I shouldn't think those thoughts or I shouldn't, you know, behave like that and I'm just going to put it in a box, Then you're still not being authentic.
Speaker 1:You're still not. You know you need to love all the good, the bad and the ugly, and that's a great way to kind of go about that, I guess. So why do you believe that healing ourselves is directly tied to the future of the planet? I know that we hear a lot about global warming, and you know there are some people that think earth is doomed um in a lot of different ways. So why do you think that healing our own selves is going to make a lick of difference in the grand scheme?
Speaker 2:Well, thank you for the question, cause it's it's one of my favorite things to talk about. So, you know, I'm looking at the history of humanity really, you know, from a grand scale. And when I think about healing ourselves, much of what I'm thinking about is the way that the divine masculine and divine feminine have been expressed and are being expressed even now. And so we have a history, you know, for the last, you know thousands of years, probably two to 3000 years, where the divine feminine has been subjugated. You know, we've tried to rub it out, essentially and get rid of it. And if you look at all the environmental destruction that's out there, it can be traced back to this idea of divine male dominance. So, you know, when people came, you know, to the Americas first, there was this idea of manifest destiny. You know, this is mine. I showed up on the continent, I can take it and do whatever I want with it because I have God on my side was essentially the story. And this, the God that they were talking about as a male God, it's like, you know, no thought for the divine feminine.
Speaker 2:And when you think about the earth-based traditions, you know Druidism, you know all the different shamanic traditions, their, their ideas are just the opposite. You know it's like oh, the earth mother. You know how? How could we ever harm the earth mother? That would be the worst wrong thing to do, you know. And so many of the great wisdom traditions around the world talk about the earth mother. And then of course there's earth mother and sky father. But what we've done as a human society is we have disconnected those two things. And so this is why healing ourselves will heal the planet. Because when we're able to get in touch with both our divine masculine and divine feminine aspects that all of us have, and actually have them differentiated, like I was talking about before, but also integrated, then what we have is connection, we have wholeness and wellness, and as we do that, that starts to extrapolate out to the world.
Speaker 2:Because if I am, say, out in the forest and I see a beautiful tree and I recognize all that's different for me, but it's also the same as me because I'm connected to it. It's a child of the planet, just as I am, and it's a living being that deserves love and care. Well, I'm certainly not going to cut down that tree, you know, because I see it as a being deserving of my care. And if I could do that with the water, you know if I could do that with the ocean, you know, if I could do that with the air and with every living thing and everything on the planet, then all of a sudden I recognize that I am not as small as I thought I was, because I'm connected to all these amazing, beautiful and wonderful things and I become, you know, what I was always meant to be, which is a child of the planet. You know, it's part of this beautiful ecosystem, not over the ecosystem planet. You know it's part of this beautiful ecosystem, not over the ecosystem.
Speaker 2:You know that's another thing that came from that male, dominated concept of like okay, you know, here's the land, I get to own it, destroy it, do whatever I want for my own purposes. Well, that's not how it was ever meant to be. You know, and that's why, um, learning from the indigenous people, you know, returning to this idea of the great circle with you, you know, in the Lakota they call this sacred hoop. You know the sacred hoop of the planet is is what we need to do as humanity, and it's the only sustainable thing to do for our planet. And I know a lot of people think, oh, we'll just leave and go to a different planet. But that's not true. You know, the earth is is a gift, it's a beautiful gem, you know, in the universe, and so we should treat it as such yeah, yeah, oh, that's so beautiful.
Speaker 1:I had lots of thoughts as you were talking there. We'll see if I can remember them. Um, I mean, it makes so much sense to me when you're talking about this, um, the masculine and the feminine, and really it's, it's out of balance. Yeah, if we look at the earth externally, it's out of balance and that it needs to be in balance. But if we look at us as individuals, we're also the bulk of people on the planet, I would say are also not in balance in terms of their masculine and feminine sides. Everyone has a masculine side, everyone has a feminine side. It doesn't have anything to do with gender, it just has to do with, you know, we think of masculine again, like you're talking about, like the conquerors, the go, the do, making the to-do list, you know, trying to accomplish goals. That's more masculine, feminine, being more receptive and feminine, more motherly in some ways. But that makes so much sense that once we are ourselves balanced in that masculine and feminine, that we can't help but treat the earth as such.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean, just like you're saying with more kindness and compassion, and it makes me think of, oh gosh, so many religions I mean, and I'll just touch on Christianity, because that's kind of the most popular where I am. But we talk about being. Everyone has this little spark of God inside you, right? We're all a piece of God. Well, just like you're saying, when you look at that tree, that tree has the same spark. It's a living thing. We all have that same spark of God. But if we all go back to our source, we're all the same. So really, if I'm looking at you and having this conversation, or whoever is listening to this right now, we all are just different aspects, different branches of that same one source, right? So why we act the way we do, I haven't figured out yet, but but this is a step in remedying that, like getting back into balance. So really, that's very impactful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's super beautiful and, you know, the divine energy flowing through all things, you know, is something that we can all tap into in any moment. You know a lot of people think, oh well, you know, I have to go to church, or I have to go to, you know, a retreat and meditate for four days, or you know, but all you actually have to do is walk outside and look at the beautiful sky and maybe hear the songbirds, you know, or sit down on the ground and you are in the midst of the divine, and then you can also recognize that it's flowing through you. Just as we were talking about that, that creative life force, which is, you know, at the heart of all things, is actually flowing through every one of us every moment. And, of course, this is the one of the things that I love about the divine feminine is.
Speaker 2:It has the creative generative power, you know, and you can see it all over the earth. All you have to do is look at all the flowers that riotously bloom in spring and you will see that it's full of creativity, and so I kind of think of you know.
Speaker 1:The great mystery is what I would call it as a wondrous artist, always creating beauty everywhere, and we just have to recognize that not only is it everywhere, but it's within us as well, yeah, yes, and so is this why I always feel so much better when I go through like a hike and like a state park or something being around all that nature and all of that. I don't know, maybe other people, like you say, feel, some people do feel more connected when they go to a church, something more, and that's great. Keep doing that if that's where it is for you.
Speaker 2:But, like, I experienced God way more out in nature because I don't know, I think it's just more stillness, more quiet and you're surrounded by it and all the religions talk about that, you know. So, jesus, what'd he do 40 days in the wilderness? So he's out there. He's like, hey, I'm hanging out in the forest with God. You know the, you know the Native American traditions of you know doing their solo journeys.
Speaker 2:You know crying for a vision is one of the practices, and you know, go out into the wilderness and just cry. They're crying out to God the great mystery, the great spirit, so that they can connect deeply and recognize who they really are and gain a vision for their own lives. So that's another thing I help people with too is really to know that we all have something deeply valuable that we can contribute to the planet, to our communities, and no one is less than any other, no one is someone who doesn't have that. You know, often we think, oh, those people, you know they're, they're really smart, they're really talented. But if you're, you are a divine expression, you know, of God. Well then, you got something pretty special inside you.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. Yeah, that's, yeah, Such a great reminder. And everybody, yeah, everybody's got it. So so now this book, who? Who is this book for? And I know, like it's really easy to say, well, everybody, but who is? Who is this book for and what kind of impact are you hoping that it makes in the world?
Speaker 2:Well, you know the reason I wrote it as a narrative. You know, when I first started thinking about this I thought, well, you know, you can write a, you know, a nonfiction book and you know, and I can kind of share some of my ideas in there and it would probably be really helpful. But I really like the power of narrative. You know, and you know, people have been telling stories since the earliest humans. You know, um, it's really interesting, like the, uh, the early shamanic wisdom comes from Africa, you know, and, uh, you know, they've been doing these practices of storytelling, singing, dancing. You know, this has been been around forever. And so when I think about, well, who's this story for and why did I do it this way, it's because so many of us are so disconnected, like we've been talking about, from you know, these deeper truths. And so the character in this story, the main character, his name is Will and he's kind of a, you know, creepy land developer guy who wants to cut down trees and, you know, make a lot of money and he finds himself in trouble, you know, runs into some major issues and is about to, you know, jump a lot of money and he finds himself in trouble, you know, runs into some major issues and is about to, you know, jump off a bridge in the Portland area, portland Oregon, and he meets a person who lives near that bridge, who has no home. That becomes a wise wisdom teacher for him. That takes him on this shamanic journey.
Speaker 2:And so this book is all about questioning those things that we hold as true, like, for example, someone who has money is more valuable than someone who doesn't, or that they're wiser in some ways or whatever, or that people that you know don't have a home or you know they don't have any value.
Speaker 2:We, this is just the opposite of that. It's seeing the value in all people, and so, you know, will gets to learn from, from, you know, his teacher on this journey. And so really it's a, it's a story for people that are disconnected deeply from themselves, that know there's an inkling of spirituality in there that they just wish they could find, and maybe they've been, you know, tired of religion and they can't stand people, you know, trying to sell them something, but they know there's something deeper and more truthful that really wants to be, you know, wants to rise up in them, and this is that book, because they can get to learn all about these different faith systems and really it's about learning about themselves and learning about all of us and our collective spirituality. That's there, so that's where I wrote it for.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love that and I love that it's not a nonfiction book, which you're right you could have. I almost exclusively read nonfiction books, but every once in a while there's a book like yours will come across. Um, but I think you're right, we learn more from stories we just do and from for centuries and beyond um, it's been stories that you know you can have someone tell you. You know, tell a little kid, don't touch that hot stove. But if you tell them a story about you know whatever about touching not touching there.
Speaker 1:Oh, I better not do that, right? I don't want to get whatever. So we just we retain it more, we internalize it more. So I think that's really wise of you. I'm glad that you were led to do it that way. I have one final question for you today, and this is a question that I ask all of my guests and is my favorite, favorite thing to ask, and that is what is one thing that you wish everyone on the planet would do in regards to their own well-being.
Speaker 2:Well, I love that and thank you for the asking the question you know, I guess I would really wish that everyone would learn to love themselves.
Speaker 2:You know, and all parts of themselves. You know, the scared, traumatized child part, the future self. You know that someday is going to need the self of today to think about them. You know all the different things and I think, as we learn to love ourselves deeply, all the parts that we want to push away. You know our, our fear, our sadness. You know, maybe, our inner critic. As we learn to do that, then I think we're going to have wellness and then we also are able then to make space for others. You know we're not so judgmental and you know we can be open to somebody having a bad day and still care about them and still hold space for them. And we can also be open to people that maybe have completely different viewpoints from us, because within us there are parts of self that have very different viewpoints from us, because within us there are parts of self that have very different viewpoints. And so learning how to hold all of that is a way forward and I think it helps us accelerate our growth as well. Whole spiritual beings.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh, great answer. I love that. So if people are like, yes, this guy's got it, I'm loving everything he has to say when can people find more about you? Where can they get the book? How do we get in touch?
Speaker 2:Well, they can go to jasongiblercom that's G-I-B-L-E-R, and there they'll find all kinds of information about eco-spiritual psychology. They can also read my blogs, which are all about different wisdom, traditions and how to apply these things, and they can also become early readers if they'd like. So I'm excited about that and, with the early readers, I'm getting feedback from people, getting their ideas about how they like the book and just kind of help me get this word out there so they can sign up for that. The book is also going to be on Amazon Kindle, like I mentioned, so that's the way to go is just check me out there on my website.
Speaker 1:Very good, and I will, of course, put all those links in the show notes below, so you can just find them with a click of a button. And, jason, thank you so much for being on today.
Speaker 2:Thank you, mindy. So great and I really love talking to you. It's so much fun. I could talk more and more.
Speaker 1:I know we could do a second episode sometime yeah. And everybody else that's listening. I hope that you are having a fantastic day and I will catch you on the next one. That's it for today. Friends, If you enjoyed this episode, don't forget to subscribe or, even better, leave a review and let me know what resonated with you the most. The more you tell me what you love, the better I'm able to create future episodes with even better content. I'm sending you so much love and light. I'll see you in the next episode.