Exploring identity shifts, self-trust, and coming home to yourself with Natasha Ramlall.

In this episode of Up Your Total Glow, I am joined by Natasha Ramlall, an Embodied Integration Coach who supports high-achieving women through what she calls “Identity Rupture” moments — those times in life when something shifts so profoundly that we no longer recognise ourselves in the mirror of our own lives.

These moments can happen through divorce, illness, burnout, loss, major life transitions, or even a quieter realisation that the life we created no longer reflects who we truly are.

But what if these moments are not a sign that something has gone wrong?

What if they are invitations?

Invitations to reconnect with ourselves beyond the roles we play, the expectations we carry, and the identities we have built along the way.

In this conversation, Natasha and I explore:

✨ What identity rupture really means and why it can feel so disorienting
✨ Why high-achieving women often struggle when their old identity no longer fits
✨ The difference between intellectually understanding change and truly embodying it
✨ How the body and nervous system hold wisdom during times of transformation
✨ Rebuilding self-trust when life feels uncertain
✨ What it means to move from who we think we should be towards who we truly are

One of the things I love about Natasha’s work is that she does not simply help people analyse their struggles. She guides them back into a deeper relationship with themselves — helping them reconnect with their body, their intuition, and their own inner knowing.

Because sometimes we are not lost.

Sometimes we are simply being invited to release the version of ourselves that we have outgrown.

If you are navigating a transition, questioning your direction, or feeling like the old version of yourself no longer fits, this conversation is for you.

You can connect with Natasha and explore her resources here:

Free Audio: https://humanistcoaching.eo.page/safety-pulse

Website: https://www.humanistcoaching.ca/

If you would like to explore your own unique health and wellbeing patterns, you can also take my free Vitality Imbalance Quiz here:

https://www.ithriveforhealth.com/ayurvedic-dosha-quiz/

And remember:

You are love.
You are light.
And you are already whole.

Much love, and keep glowing.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:09

Hello and welcome to my podcast Ah, Your Total Glow. I am so excited that you are here today. And today I have the pleasure of speaking with Natasha Ramler. And she is an embodied integration coach who works with high-achiev women navigating what she calls identity rupture moments. You know, those times in life when something shifts so profoundly that we no longer recognize ourselves in the mirror of our own lives. Whether through divorce, illness, burnout, loss, or simply the awakening that the life that we've built no longer reflects who we truly are, these moments can feel very disorienting and deeply uncomfortable. Yet Natasha sees them not as breakdowns, but as invitations into a more authentic relationship with ourselves. And what I especially love about Natasha's work is that she helps people move beyond simply understanding their struggle intellectually. What she does is she guides them back into the wisdom of the body. So she helps them to rebuild self-trust, reconnect with their inner knowing, and navigate the space between who they have been and who they are becoming. Natasha, welcome to Up Your Total Glow. It's so wonderful to have you here.

SPEAKER_00 1:59

Thank you so much. I'm thrilled to be here as well and looking forward to this conversation. Me too.

SPEAKER_01 2:07

Okay, so let's dive right in. I'm wondering, was there a moment for you where you had one of these that you now call identity rapture moments?

SPEAKER_00 2:20

I've had a I've had a few. Um the most recent one that I can draw on was um in deciding to step away from my career of 25 years into this new um work that I'm doing uh with coaching and facilitation and conscious convening. Um and I didn't realize all of the ways that that was going to rock my world until I I landed in a place where uh I realized how profoundly I had you know anchored parts of my identity in that work, in that environment, in those relationships. And um it it was a really it was a really beautiful moment of awareness. It was a really challenging moment practically. Um, but it also paralleled what I was seeing in the work that I was doing with other women, and it also uh, you know, recalled for me all of the work that I had been doing in that 25-year career where I was supporting newcomers and refugees to Canada in their sort of settlement and being that uh you know central landing place for them after a pretty massive rupture to their identities by by moving. Wow. Um so everything kind of came into focus with this through line of this transition point and and how uh on the surface it looks like it's just an external thing to manage. But at the heart of it, it's really a much, much deeper internal transformation that's happening. And so, as you mentioned in your introduction, rather than just trying to get through it and and pushing through and relying on the same kinds of survival mechanisms that we've used in in our lives in other cases, it's a really beautiful opportunity to take time and space for a deeper level of self-understanding.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

Absolutely. Wow, I love it. It's so interesting, isn't it? How you pretty much worked in something where you where it was mirroring what you are now doing more from the outside, and now you're really working with this internally. I find this so so fascinating. I love it, and yes, absolutely, I agree with you. I I also think that everything is always an opportunity to become closer to our true version of who we are, to reconnect. Um, and I really feel this is our journey in our life, and it will continue and continue and continue, and it can be really beautiful or it is really beautiful, and at the same time, yes, it is so challenging at times, right? Yeah, okay. So, how do we know that the difference between losing ourselves and discovering ourselves? So I find this is a very um it can go with each other, um, and it it can be very easy to yeah, lose yourself in that. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_00 6:15

It does, and and I think that I'm right there with you. It's a very confusing, nuanced place of investigation because this process of moving through an identity rupture and sort of has three distinct phases, and then it has sub phases within the phases. But you know, there's the initial ending of something that has broken or collapsed or is no longer working, um, and then it's got this messy middle place, and this is where I, you know, do most of my support with for the women that I work with, and then the potential for this new beginning that can be birthed from going through that process. But as you say, when we are thinking about that new beginning, so that sort of third phase that we're moving into, we will often center that exploration around what do we want, what do we desire, what's the preferred vision, where do we want to move? And what's important about understanding an identity rupture is that part of the process is looking at the ending and being okay with losing, being okay with letting go, being okay with um releasing parts of yourself that have felt central to your identity and familiar and comfortable, and really allowing yourself to get to a place where you're willing to let go and lose something in order to make space for this new vision. And I think that is really um a very, very painful place. And I think that's sort of the intersection where you know, am I losing? Am I gaining? What's happening here? Like what what what is going on with my life? I'm I'm I'm losing a sense of how I understand myself and how I have understood myself up until this point, and I don't have a clear idea of who I'm moving toward. And so in this messy sort of no man's land in the middle, I my only choice is to drop into the present discomfort.

SPEAKER_01 8:49

Absolutely, and I think we can all relate to how uncomfortable this fears and how unprotected we feel in that space, because truth is that our identities are protection, you know, absolutely, no matter how uncomfortable they are or how much we've outgrown them. This is what we know and what feels comfortable comfortable, even if it's uncomfortable. So, yes, it's I think it's one of the hardest things to truly be willing to let go and probably also not to let yourself get entangled into the new you because wow, okay, that's a new identity. Let's jump onto that. That that you know, my savior. So, how do you navigate that?

SPEAKER_00 9:44

Uh, it's so interesting what you're saying because you're right, we will often rush into that next um version, that next iteration of our life to get out of the discomfort. And in doing that, we're not really taking the time to be in the deep exploration of what's happening, you know, internally with this, with this rupture. Um, but what's really interesting about what you said along the lines of uh our identity being protective and you know being really deeply connected to our protective mechanisms. And that was actually something I wanted to ask you about because I know that you um your work is deeply rooted in the Ayurvedic tradition, and I know that there's a lot around um organizing around patterns and adaptations and things like that. And you know, with identity we are often identifying with those survival mechanisms that we you know we picked up in order to protect ourselves, to survive particular contexts. But because they're so familiar, because we've been carrying them for such a long time, they can get enmeshed in our identity and we we lose we lose that distinction between this is uh this was a survival pattern, this was a protective mechanism, this is not who I am. And so it's you know, separating ourselves from the identity of our patterns can also feel equally scary and equally triggering because we are releasing something that feels so familiar, even though, as you said, it's not serving us anymore. You know, it may have got us to where we are, it may have had a positive intention at some point, but we recognize we don't want this anymore. Um, but but yet the process of actually separating from those survival patterns and the behaviors and um the actions and the orientation of how we show up to our life, um, that's it's a big, it's a big deal. It's it's a massive process.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

Absolutely. Um I can so relate to that, and also I feel as something else, because obviously, um as you said, it goes so deep, and depending at what age or era in our lives we I guess we will always disentangle, but depending on you know the age of when we are entangling this bit, um it has become so ingrained into our subconscious that it's something else is running the show. So let's let's just talk, for example, about um that you might your subconscious might believe that um you can't make mistakes. You've learned this as a child to protect yourself. It wasn't safe to make mistakes, and you might not be even consciously aware of the fact that this is running the show underneath, and your whole body, your whole nervous system is reacting to or is protecting you not to make any mistakes, or this is another form of identity you might not even be aware of. Can you relate to that? So I feel there is so much untangling. Yes, there is this conscious, you know, okay, letting go of this, and then oh, I wasn't even aware of what this means, and it's so uncomfortable. And okay, Natasha says I have to sit with this, so I'm trusting her and I'm I'm sitting in this, and then there might be even more stuff coming up I'm not even aware of.

SPEAKER_00 13:58

Yeah, yeah, that's such an important part. I'll often say, you know, that our work is 80% awareness and then 20% what are we gonna do with the awareness? Um, but in terms of effort, it's sort of reversed because it's about 20% effort to gain 80% awareness, yeah, and then it's 80% effort to actually what you're gonna do with that um 20%. Um but yeah, absolutely. As long as um something exists outside of our conscious awareness, it's exactly as you said, it's driving, it's driving our actions without us understanding. And so it has the power. Once it comes into our awareness, we gain agency because we understand that the pattern is there. So it is a deep untangling. I think it does involve um sort of the cognitive stories, understanding the meaning making that we've been relying on, um, both to understand our identity and to understand how to be in our life, how to do life, how to um how to uh define our own sense of worthiness. Um and also it involves the body because many of the survival patterns and the mechanisms that are at play are directly related to various places of um repressed or stuck energy that we've been holding in our body. Um and from you know, from such a young age, we learn which expressions of emotion are safe and dangerous to feel. And and so again, yeah, because we've been running these habits for such a long time, they're deeply enmeshed with our identity. And so and so at the point of an identity rupture, I feel back to what we were saying in the beginning, it's really uh an invitation to uh slow down and take the time. Yeah, because you know, a lot of the time we and you know, this is one of the reasons I think that a lot of women come into these identity ruptures at midlife, because for the beginning in the first few decades of our life, we are in survival mode. We don't have the capacity to do anything other than push through and be productive and get it done. And particularly I work with really high-functioning, hyper-capable, self-aware women. And so that's our profile, right? We just we know how to be reliable, be efficient, solve problems, and meet the needs of everybody that we're looking after. And so at midlife, we get, you know, maybe we've been having these nudges and we've found the band-aids and we've found ways to push through, but it reaches a point where that's no longer sustainable and these ruptures occur. And that's where we either have the choice to continue pushing and moving past it, in which case we'll likely set ourselves up for a repeated pattern, um, or we can actually recognize that this is a this is a moment, it's an invitation, it's an opportunity to learn how to come back into the full experience of being human. And so that when we're in that survival mode for those many decades, we're up in our cognitive mind. We're living from the head, we're understanding our life conceptually through the stories that we're telling.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:54

Um, because it's the only way. It's the only way to actually be in this hyper-productive, fast-paced um life that you know that has been determined for us. Um, if we want to keep up, if we want to get our stuff done and and survive, we have to be up in the head so that we can um so that we can survive it. What's required is to come back into the body, and in order to do that, we have to be willing to slow down. Yeah. And so, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:30

Um absolutely. And I feel we also um have to be willing to unlearn because what what you just described and I work with with the same people, you know, who are such high achievers, who are amazing, who are very self-aware, yet they've truly lost the connection with their bodies because they had to. Um, because the body will say, No, I need sleep. Slow down, please, and please let's eat in peace. Um, get yourself away, take half an hour, and do high achievers do that? No. High achievers push on and do exactly what society tells us all the time to do. Go faster, go harder. So, what you are doing and saying, and I'm very much in the same rhythm of that, is actually the opposite. It's like, no, hang in there, slow down, and do the opposite of what we see everywhere, and of what you know our modern life is actually doing. So it's it's very hard, and there was something else that you um mentioned, which I thought was so profound. Yes, um, at some point this is not sustainable anymore, so something breaks down most of the time. We just have some form of illness or yeah, rupture, as you said it. But I also feel this is the time where the outside again for many women shifts because it's the time where the children may leave the house, or at least they are no longer so depending on you, and also your body changes in midlife, and with that there comes a whole new invitation for us to actually go inward and go deeper.

SPEAKER_00 20:40

Absolutely. Uh I couldn't agree with you more.

SPEAKER_01 20:43

I have to let my cat in. Sorry, just one one second, she's me up. Oh, you have to come. Come on in. She's used to getting cuddles when she comes in, but no cuddles right now. Okay, sorry, Katie Natasha.

SPEAKER_00 21:03

That's okay, no problem. Yeah, so um, I lost the plot.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

Fair enough. Absolutely. That was awesome. Um, okay, so I just think that there are several layers on top of each other. One thing, yes, you know, it's not sustainable, sustainable if you continuously suppress the body's signals, what the body is actually asking of you, because well, the body is speaking to you because it is not sustainable, the body has needs, the body needs rest, the body needs replenishment, um, restoration, and actually going with the rhythm of life, which is as a high achiever, we are trying to ignore that and go, like, no, I don't need that, my body can do it. We are different, which of course, I mean, we're not doing That um thinking it exactly in that way, but that's our behavior, yeah. So of course it doesn't work. So either there's the breakdown and there's this huge maybe health scream or rupture in another way. And what I was saying is that I also see that there's this more quiet shift for many women at this age where we actually really have this invitation because maybe we have more space and things shift in the outside to go inside, and that's obviously very Ayurvedically an Ayurveda, and I love that midlife is really the time for us women where we can go inward, and um yeah, we are we are invited to become become more wise and even more connected with us, and I love that because in the Western world it's all about okay, we don't need you anymore, you're done. Right, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 23:04

Right, if you're not producing in the same way that you have been, yeah. I love I love what you're saying because what I'm hearing is this, or what it's reminding me of, is this sort of this great orchestration that's happening that is, you know, the timing, um, that sort of age where our children are moving into independence and don't need us in the same way. Um, and also by the very nature of an identity rupture, and you spoke about health, um, another big one is the ending of a significant relationship, romantic partnership, another one is a job, a career collapsing. And in all of these cases, when you are a high-functioning, highly productive, hyper-capable woman, and you've been sacrificing your own um needs in a way, in terms of you know, not listening to your body, not following your cues, in order to keep up that productivity, and then it breaks and it shatters. And despite having put so much of yourself into that external um place of gaining validation, gaining worth, gaining a reference point, um the that piece of the divine orchestration is like this, it's like uh it's like the universe is shaking you by the shoulders and saying, see, yeah, if you continue to externally validate your life and your identity, what do you have at the end of the day? Yeah, you can you can you can't control, you can't rely on, you can't expect particular outcomes when you're relying on the external world to meet those needs. So go inward, dear woman, and find something that's internally referenced, that's true, that's real, that's honest. And the only way again to do that is to go into the body, and the only way to go into the body is to get present, and the only way to get present is to slow down, which is completely counterculture to the way that we were acting before the rupture. So it it all working together in this beautiful symphony. In the moment, it doesn't always feel beautiful, but taking a step back and looking at the whole picture, um, I think you're right. I think it is it is part of our journey as women. And either we come to that place um because of something terrible happening, which is um not fun, but it it does bring us that same invitation. Um, or we just we can't ignore those internal nudges, it becomes intolerable to just keep going.

SPEAKER_01 26:12

Sorry, not that was my card. Indy. Indy. Okay, okay. Good, come here. We've got lots of animal forces here today. Yeah, no, that was just so beautiful what you said, Natasha. I couldn't agree more with you, um a hundred percent. And all the time while you were speaking, the the word that you use came to mind the invitation, you know, the invitation of existence to really yeah, come more home to yourself. And no, it's not always fun, actually. It's sometimes just the hardest thing that you do, and at the same time, there is always something beautiful coming from there. So, okay, I've got two questions. Do you have actual tools for someone who has been just running and doing, and the nervous system is still in fight and flight most of the time? Because it is my experience that if you then say, yeah, okay, go slow down, sit with this, go in meditation, it's just the hardest thing to do. So, for from for me, for example, I was trying, and I was already a yoga teacher back then, um, so I understood it all intellectually, but really sitting down in meditation was the hardest thing for me to do because I was still in fight and flight and in all of my trauma and in doing, and I should I just it felt excruciating. So, do you have tools that you can share with us um that really are allowing this process to be a little bit gentler than just okay, slow down, go into meditation.

SPEAKER_00 28:25

Yeah, which can be another another thing to do on the list.

SPEAKER_01 28:28

Exactly, another thing to do.

SPEAKER_00 28:30

Yeah. Um, I think what you're naming is important because when we're in a state of like hyper um dysregulated nervous system and fight flight, um, I think that's where support can be incredibly useful because having somebody to hold space with you, having somebody to give you permission to slow down and actually create a container that is designed specifically for you to be able to slow down can be incredibly valuable. And to be witnessed in that and accepted in that uh is is a really important piece. Um I do, you know, I have a couple of foundational tools that I'll I'll use. One is definitely breathing, you know, coming back to relearning how to breathe more deeply and um you know, even recognizing that the way that we've been breathing that we think is our normal breathing pattern, our default way of breathing, is actually very short. And for most people, we are not taking those deep, nourishing breaths that that we should be. So that's definitely um uh an important tool is to coming back to the breath. Um, but another really foundational piece is this practice of resourcing the body, and that's really about learning how to land in your body and connect to you know, glimmers of sensation, neutrality, calm, or if you can, support and safety in your body, and allowing that to sort of expand and um giving you an anchor of the felt sense of your own body, which for some women is easy to do, for some women it's really, really difficult to do. So it can be very nuanced. Um, I actually have a tool that I would love to share with your listeners. It's a free guided audio where I guide the listener into a resourcing practice. So for people who are unfamiliar with it, for women who have been living above the eyebrows and they have no idea what we're talking about when we say get into the body and feel your feelings, and that feels really foreign. This can be a really great stepping stone to gently come back into uh recognition and relationship with what it feels like to inhabit your body, you know, from presence and with acceptance. And it's a it's a very beautiful practice. So um that would be probably my my number one tools that I would invite women to explore.

SPEAKER_01 31:23

Beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing. I love both tools, of course, but I I believe most of us have heard about the breath. So I really, really love that you shared the other tool, and I think it's just so powerful. What does coming home in the body, coming home to you mean to you, Natasha?

SPEAKER_00 31:52

It really means inhabiting my life. Yeah, coming coming home to the full human experience of me. Yeah. And it's it's alarming how far I strayed from that. Yeah. And this this work that has claimed my life and and will be the the hill I die on is this beautiful reclamation of my own human experience and and my birthright that I get to inhabit it fully. Yeah. Um, so for me that that's what I would say inhabiting my life fully.

SPEAKER_01 32:42

Beautiful. I love it. So probably my next question, you've probably already answered, but maybe there's something else you can add to it. What brings you the most joy at the moment?

SPEAKER_00 32:58

I think right now I'm in a very deliberate investigation of pleasure and really again slowing down enough to really feel into those little small moments of pleasure that I have habitually trained myself to rush past.

SPEAKER_01 33:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:27

You know, savoring the taste of my food, um, even savoring the feel of water going down my throat when I'm really thirsty, or you know, taking a shower and feeling the water on my body, feeling the sun on my skin. Um, you know, a very passing aroma of flowers outside, you know, it's that time of year where you'll just get these little bursts of this intoxicating smell. Um and just, you know, those moments where you feel vibrant, yeah, just existing in that moment. It's nothing big usually, it's usually something very normal, very everyday. Um, but as I said, I I've spent my whole life rushing past those things. And we all know the story of people who come to the end of their life, and the very first thing they want to do is go back and savor all of those small moments that they took for granted. And so I am, you know, summer's a great time for me to set this intention. I am intentionally seeking to savor and really be present with as much of those pleasurable moments as I possibly can, like really using all my five senses and um even in those moments of quiet and stillness and rest, just really feeling into the pleasure of neutrality. You know, like this there's a pleasantness of there just being an absence of activation within the body, and just sort of really appreciating that, like it how how lovely it feels to just be in my body and not be experiencing any tightness, any aches and pains, any discomfort, um, and savoring that, you know.

SPEAKER_01 35:25

Beautiful. So what I heard was a description of what it truly can mean to feel alive versus just surviving, yeah, which is what most of us do when we just doing and doing and doing and continuing to do. So we don't have the time to actually savor, and when we savor, we do yeah, become alive in all of our senses, and this is truly what I heard you describing, which I think is yeah, what life is meant to be about, and I think it's almost tragic that um society guides us in the other direction, yeah. At the same time, obviously, there's also the gift because it creates more room for actually waking up, so it depends on on how you want to view it. I would love to hear. Okay, sorry, let me let this cat up. You are a tiny girl. So back. I don't have any other animals, just those two.

SPEAKER_00 37:01

They keep you busy enough.

SPEAKER_01 37:04

Oh okay. So what was I going to ask you? Um, yeah, about self-trust. Because I feel that this is a really important part. I would love to hear you speak to. Um, it's also something that obviously we lose if we all the time negate our what our body needs. Um is there something else that you would like to add to the whole point about self-trust and how we can find that and how important this is in this whole journey?

SPEAKER_00 37:46

I'm glad you brought it up because actually that is the that is the piece that I come back to again and again and again. You know, when we're going through, you know, we've sort of talked about the benefits of this rupture and coming through and moving into something newer and more evolved. But when you're actually in that messy place of the rupture, it's it's it's very painful and challenging and difficult to withstand. And, you know, in those moments of real human challenge, I think the question is like, what is the purpose of this? What is the lesson in this? And I have come to land on that the lesson of that messy, uncertain, disoriented, lost place in the middle of an identity rupture is to learn how to trust. Because I think that it is the hardest thing for us to do as humans is to trust self-trust, soul trust, trust in the journey. Um and you're right, when we experience a rupture, we it disintegrates trust because oftentimes we've placed a level of trust in this thing in our life, this relationship, this job, the health of our bodies is going to, we can rely on it. We we are not assuming that anything is gonna go awry with this thing. And so when it you know collapses, we really have to reckon with, well, how did I how did I not understand that this was gonna happen? Like and we we just have this habit of as humans to always turn it on ourselves and blame ourselves for anything that goes wrong. Um and you know, in some cases, in a lot of cases, our deterioration of self-trust begins far earlier when we are young children. We already start to stop trusting our own inner voice. Um, oftentimes because our caregivers don't have the capacity to hold space for different kinds of conflicts and different kinds of um experiences that we go through. So as we're coming up as children, we may have, you know, an experience of something, something's not right here. Um, and because of the way that our society is conditioned, the way we are culturally, our parents may never name that thing, but they'd rather just kind of sweep it under the rug, um, you know, and keep the peace. Like we don't need to talk about this, we don't need to make a big deal about it. Let's just forget that it happened and move on. But for a young child, they're left feeling like, oh, so this weird knowing inside that something's off, something's gone wrong, something's been broken. It's not being validated by my caregivers, who are the ones that I'm supposed to look to to understand how things work. And, you know, because my survival depends on them, obviously they're not wrong. So the problem must be with me. And from a very young age, we start to let that that self-knowing, that self-trust, that listening to our inner wisdom, that that starts to break apart. And then from a lifetime of habitually, you know, trusting others over overtrusting ourselves, um it can be a big mission, it can be a big job to sort of relearn how to trust, trust our self-trust as you as you asked about specifically, um, but then also trust in the greater experience that there's a purpose to it, that there is something greater than us that's holding us through it, there's meaning. Um yeah. So I I think I think trust is just an enormous piece. Um, and I think that it's it's a very uh slow, slow, deep work to to come back to that. And I and I think that it's as you mentioned at the beginning, it's kind of a life, lifelong one. It's not something that we get one and done, but it's something that we have to continually return to. And it's almost like you know, the universe is giving us an edge and saying, yeah, but do you really? Yeah. Yeah. You trust, but do you really? Yeah. And it just kind of gets more and more difficult to surrender to not knowing.

SPEAKER_01 42:38

I love, love, love how you how you express this. And I couldn't agree more with you. I feel that it's who we inherently are. We are love, we are light, we are that trust. And as you said, then from an early age onwards, we are told, no, you can't trust yourself. Um, look towards the outside, outsource your trust. This is how it works, and it gets bigger and bigger and bigger, and we are told, no, outside is your safety, not inside of you. Um, outsource again. And yeah, then the journey is to unlearn all of this and come back to trusting. Um, so it's it's a bit crazy, and again, it's beautiful and it's hard, and it's all the things at the same time. Yeah, it's all the things at the same time. I'm very conscious of your time. I do have two more questions, though. Um, so number one, would you say that any kind of symptoms, may it be anxiety or an identity rupture, whatever, that they are actually a form of grief from your body. Grieving.

SPEAKER_00 44:00

fact that the life they the way they know it is no longer the same does that make sense the way I asked it yeah it does it does and I've never phrased it that way but I I'm I'm hearing that that's actually such a beautiful way of speaking to that piece of needing to let go right because in that in that those three phases of of the identity rupture process that letting go it feels like a deep grief right we're we're letting go of the relationship we're letting go of the job we're letting go of the survival patterns we're letting go of the relationship with the body with our body that we thought we could depend on um so many different iterations of of what can happen there um and yeah it is the process of grief because you are losing something that even when it didn't necessarily serve you you're you loved it from a place of familiarity and and comfort and my understanding of grief is that it's the other side of love right it exists because we are because we were so um attached to something that we've lost yeah and so yeah I think grief is a really accurate way of describing that process of needing to let go of the old release it um and and in some ways lose lose a part of yourself in order to make space for new parts of yourself to emerge yeah oh love love love and I feel I could talk with you forever I would love to talk with you forever but it's another day yeah another day and it's also late at your end thank you so much for making that time for me so if you had three pieces of wisdom for someone who really needs to hear it or even the younger generation and just really briefly you've given us so much wisdom but maybe in just a few words or three words what would that be three words it can be more it doesn't have to be only words it's up to you um I think the three words I would choose if I were gonna you know uh reduce it down to words because I think that's powerful um self-compassion yeah um radical acceptance and unconditional love yeah hallelujah those those are the three yeah beautiful yeah love it and for me unconditional love means um acceptance without judgment yeah so so the three of them kind of intertwine as well yeah and I feel this is exactly what your work is about and so is mine beautiful beautiful beautiful okay so where can we find you uh easiest way is to just jump on my website which is humanistcoaching.ca and everything about me that you'd want to know is there beautiful and of course I will link everything in the show notes is there something that I haven't asked you that you wish I had no it's really been a beautiful conversation and I just want to say thank you. It's I I think we're so privileged to live at a time in humanity where we can jump on this little computer and be able to speak to each other from different sides of the world and have this incredible conversation and that's such a gift and so thank you I'm really grateful for this connection.

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I agree and thank you so much for you and if there is something that Natasha shared resonated with you today I highly encourage you to explore her work further. Natasha has very generously as you heard gifted to you my awesome listeners her beautiful guided audio for nervous system regulation and you'll find the link to that along with her website and ways to connect with her in the show notes. And if today's conversation sparked something within you about your own health vitality or healing journey that I can help you with you'll also find of course my information in the show notes. So if you enjoyed this episode please take a moment to like and subscribe and share with someone who can truly benefit from this conversation because fact is we are not here to survive we are here to fully thrive most importantly never ever forget you are love you are light and you are already whole no fixing needed you are whole much love keep going