From Stuck in a Chair at 60 to Thriving at 87 | Susanne Eden

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Susanne Eden turned 60 and thought her life was over. She could barely get out of a chair, was on 200 units of insulin a day, and had spent years on prednisone that had quietly wrecked her endocrine system. Now 87, she's the author of Healing from the Inside, Living Fully As You Age. 

Susanne and Wendy explore:

• What actually changed when she stopped waiting for a doctor to hand her the answer and started experimenting with holistic and energy-based healing instead
• Why she believes health, aging, and self-worth are impossible to separate, and how trying to treat them individually is where so many people get stuck
• The recent loss of a close friend, and the recorded conversation they shared in her friend's final months that became part of a new project called Conversations with Susanne

Susanne's story isn't about reversing a diagnosis or finding a miracle fix. It's about what happens when someone finally stops outsourcing the answer and starts paying attention to what her own body and mind were trying to tell her all along.

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Conversations referenced in this episode: susanneeden.com/conversations

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https://www.amazon.com/Healing-Inside-Living-Fully-You/dp/1038343712?tag=syty-20

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:08

Hi friends, this is Wendy Harrup, and welcome to the Say Yes to Yourself podcast. On the Say Yes to Yourself podcast, you'll hear stories from women just like us who are adding the practice of saying yes in their daily lives in big and small ways, and as a result are experiencing the truth that everybody wins when you say yes to yourself. Saying yes to yourself is a graceful unfolding, an intentional becoming of the very best version of you. It is my hope that in these conversations we are able to find our truth and be inspired and empowered to live our very best lives. I'm so excited to go on this journey with you, and I look forward to finding a bit of our own story in each other's. That I'm saying to myself, it's all so good. And I love that I'm getting to spend time with the jewelry school students who are saying yes to themselves and to friends that are meeting me here at the chateau and spending some time here, which is a giant yes to both of us. It's all so good. And I would love to know how you are saying yes to yourself in this season. I am celebrating you. I am cheering you on. No, yes is too small. And I'm just loving the ways that you are growing and expanding and leaning into what feels good and right to you in this moment. It's it's such a gift. I'm so thrilled to be doing this in community with you. So thank you for those that are sharing their yeses. And if it's been on your heart to loop me in and what is going on for you, I would love to hear. So you can hit that fan mail button up in the show notes, or you can DM me on Instagram at wendy.herup or send me an email. All the fun things you can find all those places to get in touch with me in the show notes. You can also find out how to get in touch with today's super cool, super fabulous guest. We have Dr. Suzanne Eden. She spent her career providing leadership to educators across Canada as a teacher, author, consultant, and staff developer. Now at 87, she shares her personal story of healing and personal transformation in her book, Healing from the Inside, Living Fully as You Age, challenging the idea that our later years are not only for looking in the rearview mirror. She explores how this stage of life can become a powerful time for healing, self-discovery, and becoming whole. Her message is simple but profound. Even late in life, we can still learn new tricks. I know you are going to love as much as I do, Dr. Suzanne Eden. Suzanne, I already know this is going to be an amazing conversation because we've already been chatting and I've been sad that I hadn't already hit record. You are full of wisdom and life and joy, and I can't wait to have everybody experience the beauty that I have for the last few minutes. Thank you so much for being here.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

Well, thank you very much for inviting me, Wendy. I really appreciate the opportunity to uh to connect with you and uh with your listeners. Well, they're a fabulous bunch, and I know they're gonna love you.

SPEAKER_02 4:28

And you know, for the past, gosh, well, for me, the past three weeks, but in podcast land, that's been the last 12 or so episodes, there have been four or five women that are older than me, that are up to such beautiful, phenomenal things in the world. I can't get enough of what you all have to say. I want to be in your orbit, in your energy. And it reminded me when I was, I might have been 25 years old. I grew up in church. And at this point in my life, I was in a church where my dad was the pastor, and I was leading a Bible study. And I don't know, I guess it's you're popular when your dad is the boss of the place. So a lot of people wanted to be in my Bible study, like that was gonna be anything more special, but I made a rule that you had to be 65 years old to be in my Bible study because I knew that I only knew what I knew, and I wanted to know more, and I wanted the wisdom and the depth and the humor and the this is not really in context to a Bible study setting, but the Christian version of not giving any Fs. Like this, these were the women I wanted to hang out with, and I love that that really has always been who I want to talk to. Like I want to talk to the five-year-olds and I want to talk to the 85-year-olds, and everyone in the middle, that's fun, but I think the juice is on the each of those ends.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

So we have something in common because there isn't a five-year-old in the country that doesn't see me and start to talk. Uh, I did my doctoral studies on children's play and learning, and I did a I did an ethnographic study where I was a play partner for a full year in a kindergarten class. And I was so successful at them not seeing me as a teacher that one day when I took over from the uh classroom teacher who had been called out on a family emergency, they refused to stop their playtime because I wasn't the teacher. And as one little kid piped up and said, and you're not even the mother. So five-year-old, I love younger children. And um, you know, I I give a whole new meaning to the term late bloomer because at 87 I could never have imagined I'd be doing what I'm doing. It I mean, it just some mornings I wake up and I think, am I in some kind of a, you know, uh altered universe? But it's possible, and that's the theme of my book. Uh, people often describe my book as such a hopeful book, and that's what I want because I can tell you, I don't know how old you are, but I can tell you I am 58 at the time. Well, I will tell you when I turned 60, I thought it was over. I could barely get out of a chair. Uh, I had to take early retirement. My husband and I were boaters, and we had bought a beautiful trawler actually, and we thought, okay, uh, we were gonna take the intercoastal waterway, you know, the 5,000 mile loop. And there I was, I couldn't get out of a chair. And I was on over 200 units of insulin a day. And so um, that's that's what started my journey of healing, which is what my book is about. So it's never too late is not just a phrase for me, it's my life.

SPEAKER_02 8:37

Oh my gosh, you're doing it so beautifully. I know everyone can read the book, but let's talk about why they should go buy it.

SPEAKER_01 8:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 8:47

I I understand feeling like you don't want the circumstances that you are witnessing to be your circumstances and to know that you want something better, healthier, more vibrant, more dreamy, but to want it very, very important piece of the work. But how do you get out of the chair to get toward what you want?

SPEAKER_01 9:24

Well, I'll tell you the biggest piece in all of the journey of healing is the mind, and it absolutely is, and people are foolish if they don't believe that. And I'm of a generation where what the doctor said was next only to God. Um, so you I took all these, I was on prednisone for years. Oh my gosh, that's a terrible situation. And begging, that's why it ruined my whole endocrine system. But that's why I finally took early retirement. I went to all these doctors. I was getting worse and worse. I had such brain fog after a couple of years from controlling diabetes with diet and exercise. I now was taking 200 units and six needles a day. I had an endocrinologist who said, Well, you know, you're getting older. Um that famous line, and um, nothing could be done except take more insulin. And so I finally, my I had such brain frog between the diabetes and the prednisone. The prednisone was for a chronic inflammation issue that I still have, by the way. Okay. It never did anything except mask some symptoms for a while. And then the specialists and I mean, we I I live very close to Toronto. We have some of the best hospitals in the world, Sunnybrook Hospital and the endocrinologists there. They just kept telling me I couldn't go off it or I would die. And I said to my husband one day, well, maybe I will, but I can't live like this. I couldn't write, I couldn't work, I couldn't do anything. I was reduced to going to the library and grocery shopping from a person who ran in every direction at once and and was very successful in my career. Uh, so I didn't intend to talk about this today. That's okay. Hey, that everybody says that.

SPEAKER_02 11:25

That's okay. I'm eager to hear.

SPEAKER_01 11:27

But anyway, so how did I get out of the chair? So I mean it was willpower. There's no question. Nobody can do it for you. And I believe that about any of these issues to do with health. If you don't make up your mind to take ownership for yourself, you can forget it. If you want to sit in the couch and eat your chips and whatever, that's that's your privilege. And I don't I don't condemn people for that. Not everybody is as blessed with the kind of persistence and fortitude that I have. And I'll tell you a very interesting thing about that, and and and I hope that for your listeners, there will be people out there who will relate to this. I never saw myself as a strong person. I never did until very few years ago. And and uh when I look back at it, like you say, it is quite um amazing. But I'm not an I'm not an extraordinary person. I'm an ordinary woman who had all family responsibilities and, you know, uh a busy job and things. So, but it what happened was that once I decided, even I had a wonderful GP, she was just amazing. But she used to say to me, I'm a science-trained doctor, Suzanne. So I when I started looking into the alternatives, I never gave up on mainstream medicine. I s and I still have a couple of wonderful doctors, especially for the diabetes. I mean, I say we should use the best that modern medicine gives us. Diabetes is a perfect example of that because my father had diabetes. And when you think of the hypodermic size needles they used to have and peeing on a stick to tell you what your blood sugar is, I mean, it was brutal. So I never thought that, but I knew there had to be something else. And it was interesting because I'd always been very holistic in my thinking. And when I did my doctoral studies on play, that was one of the things that came out was how I was able to look at play as the lessons that no one can teach children, and how that is very holistic. It comes from everything that they do. So I went back to that and I started with massage because I knew some people who did it, and it was really physical motivated, physically motivated. Okay. Um I wasn't thinking of spirituality at all at that time. I was just thinking of trying to get myself to be able to move and do some of the things that I wanted to do.

SPEAKER_00 14:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 14:17

And then in the midst of that, my husband died very suddenly, sick one day and gone. And it was it never did we because he looked after me. Right. You know, and then you're and and then I'm thinking, oh my gosh, what's gonna happen if? And all the what happens if happened within six months. I I had responsibility for his mother who had serious mental illness, not Alzheimer's, but had had serious mental illness all her life. I had a massive flood in my home, you know, it was just one thing after another. But I started doing things to help myself. And that's that is the the crucial. The self-care and then the self-understanding. Those two things are absolutely crucial. Now, the reason I wrote my book was because it took me forever, many years, to be able to work through all this and come up with an understanding of why it worked. I did a lot of reading and research and and talking. I had conversations with hundreds of people from all walks of life and all nationalities and men and women about their experiences. And so the two pieces of health and aging both were together. And that's been a problem for me, and it is with my book, because it was hard to know how to frame the title in a way that captured both. So he my book is titled Healing from the Inside, Living Fully as You Age, and it's that whole idea of when we do heal from past things, both physical, mental, and dare I say spiritual, that the root cause of all of our physical dis ease. And I believe that, I truly believe that, that that is where it lies. And treatment has to then not just be physical, as it is in Western medicine, but it has to have some way of going much deeper. That's why I got out of the chair. And I started very slowly and very skeptical. The first time I went to see an energy healing doctor, he was a chiropractor, and they do something called network spinal analysis, which is an energy healing treatment. And they it it comes out of chiropractic uh work. So that was very interesting. And when I went the first time, I thought, oh my gosh, what am I getting into, right? With the witch doctor. Well, yeah, maybe a little voodoo mixed in. I loved it. And I met these amazing, I'm going to say women, because they were all women in that practice at that time, although it wasn't supposed to be that. And they their stories encouraged me, and that was my beginnings. And I've gone then, I've I've really experimented with different things. I I love yoga. I don't do yoga. I've never been able to do yoga when I was skinny and and whatever, because um uh I I just can't do it very well. But I do some chair yoga.

SPEAKER_00 17:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 17:37

Um now, but uh Reiki and all of the different things. So that's why I decided uh, you know, when pandemic came, I was going to just do a blog because I couldn't face I've written books before, but they were in education.

SPEAKER_02 17:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

And here's me, you know, uh with an with a going off the deep end. Yes, that's right. And and that's again something I want your women listeners to hear is don't be afraid to try, you know, it reinvent yourself. There's lots of there's lots of selves to be brought to the fore, as it were. So I started this, and but I felt that if I could take all that I had learned from all, and and I met some wonderful people along the way: dietitians, chiropractors, massage therapists, you know, garden variety women like myself who were, you know, pushing the boundaries of what was expected for health and and aging, and out of that came my book. The first reviews that I sent out, there was one that came back that was quite critical because I did not do any quantitative analysis, and I was prepared for that because when I did my study for my doctorate at University of Toronto, there wasn't a professor there who could help me do a qualitative study. Okay, I had fought that battle years and years ago, and I don't apologize. This is a layperson's eye view of what it means to try to heal in a system that is so limited, right?

SPEAKER_00 19:29

And did it work? Of course. At 87, I went to Italy this summer, and what so who cares what that person thinks?

SPEAKER_02 19:40

It's so amazing. Obviously, when we say it out loud and we are talking about our experience, which is positive and expansive in the way we think and in the way we acted, and in the growth edges that we came against and moved through, and we created new neuropathways and new thoughts and belief systems, and all of these things are so great. And then one review comes back from someone we know, or sometimes someone we don't know who says that's a bunch of woo-woo and it doesn't work, and whatever, like that person who is miserable and sick, full of dis-ease, stuck in their own limiting story, and actually can not tolerate this working for you because it requires them to rethink everything that they built their foundation on, and that is too painful. So instead, they're just gonna lash out at you.

SPEAKER_01 20:50

Well, you know, it's interesting because one of the things that I read uh before I um joined this podcast was you asked the question. How are you saying yes to yourself in this season? Yes, please answer it. And I will tell you that this point talks to it because it took me years, and it was years to break down those old, what we would call at the university, the paradigms, the old sets of beliefs that hold us in our life the way and and give us a stability in our life, because this is what we think and this is what's gonna happen, and so on. And it took a long, long time. And and I came to it with a lot of appreciation and and knowledge about holistic concepts. But if people take my book and I have with every chapter a taking action, and because what I found when I started out, now you have to imagine this is this is uh 20 years ago. I found a lot of people talking about healing, but they would tend to take one piece of the pie. Again, as a holistic thinker, I'm always looking for the big picture. Always, always. Now that's fine if I if I change my diet, if I change my exercise, if I start meditating. But what happens? How do they fit together? How do all of those things come together in quote-unquote a package that I could make it accessible to others? And that's what my book is. So it starts with understanding. And that, I mean, again, it starts in the mind. And it's these understandings, what I call reimagining health, reimagining aging. And I do a lot, I do, I've just done some really interesting articles on that. Um, and I've done some podcasts. I mean, you look at the amount of money we have in and beauty products so that we don't look old. And and so much of the healing stuff on health is because we don't want to walk like an old person. We don't want to, it's not about healing yourself and becoming the person you can be and should be and were meant to be. It's about making you look better. And that's only one little part of the picture. But when you ask How are you saying yes to yourself in this season? It comes back to that whole point about not doing stuff for what somebody else thinks, but getting to a point where you are comfortable enough. I say this someplace in my book, where you can look in the mirror and say, I am beautiful. And I earned every one of these wrinkles I have, thank you. You know, and uh this insolent tummy that I have that uh I hate, but uh I know I don't hate it. I don't hate my body at all, but coming to appreciate for ourselves, and that's been um something that I have fought my whole life. I was caught up, and and again, I tell this story in my book, I don't want to go into it now, but in not believing that I was good enough for anything, no matter what successes I had, it never brought me that deep peace. And that's where I really challenge again the notion of fulfillment, what it means. And I have one blog that I I wrote last summer called Ditch the Bucket List, where I talk about experiences and things you have. I've always wanted to own blah, blah, blah. You can have that, you can go on a trip every six months, you can do it, and they're great. And they if you can afford it and you have the health. I did a lot of traveling after Wilf die, my husband died, but they are not what brings fulfillment. Fulfillment is when we come to terms with our deepest needs, and that's where spirituality comes. I don't write about spirituality in the sense of religion, I write about it as an organic piece of every human on the planet. I don't know if you know the work of Carolyn Mace. I don't. No, she she's a she's a wonderful woman. She wrote the most beautiful testimonial for my book. Yeah, her her last name is spelt M Y S S, but it's pronounced Mace, Carolyn. Look her up. I think you'd be interested. You have she also has a background in religion, but has evolved her thinking, if you want to call it that, as have that's what I will call it. Uh as have I.

SPEAKER_02 25:59

So I don't know if if that's helpful for your listeners, but I think Suzanne, everything you have to say is really beautiful, and it is helpful. I think, you know, one thing in just the point about evolving our beliefs and evolving our thoughts about things, it's not saying, I used to believe this, but now I know that that was wrong and that was bad, and everyone else that believes it is dumb. It's not that. It's it was beautiful and it was helpful and it was stabilizing and foundational, and it got me as far as I could go with it. And then it was time for me personally to find something more expansive that wasn't you you referred to this earlier in saying that you came from a generation where what the doctor said it was next to God. And my mom has the same philosophy of just that's just how she grew up, that's her conditioning. The first time that she received a breast cancer diagnosis, she had it twice, survived both times. I said, Well, we need to get a second opinion. And I remember her saying, a second opinion, that's a slap in the face to the doctor. Yes. Oh my gosh, sweet. And I don't even think when she said that out loud, I think she realized, oh no, that I don't actually believe that. But these thought systems are running unchecked in our mind. And it's good, it's good to come up with new thoughts, it's good to expand our belief system, it's good to become more inclusive, it's good to be growing and to not require everybody else who was in the room that used to bring you joy to either come with you to a new room or sign off on it's okay for you to leave. It's this is unconditional alignment. This is me being called by my inner wisdom to the next right step for me that yes, impacts other people. And my intention is for that impact to be positive, but I don't need anybody else to sign off on what is working for me, and I don't want to argue with anybody that is doing something that's working for them just because it's different than what's working for me.

SPEAKER_01 28:54

That's a very important part of my the underpinnings for my book, and I I'm I really um appreciate you saying saying that. When people talk about my book as bringing hope, um, it's two things. It's as you said, changing our thinking doesn't mean it was wrong, it means it's not right for now.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

Right.

SPEAKER_01 29:19

And the other big part, and and I want to touch on this because I think it's central, is building on your strengths. When I started this, everything would be talking about releasing the old wounds and doing this and that. And I would I would read those things and I would agree with them, but I didn't know what it meant. And I didn't know how on earth I was going to go about doing that.

SPEAKER_00 29:49

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 29:50

And so I have done that, and it takes the time and patience. I'm working on two, not workbooks, but kind of like a workbook, to accompany my book to help people take this journey. And one of them is on self-understanding, the very first one. And that one really targets uh the physical, but but mainly the thinking. How do you begin to change your thinking? So there are in each of it, there's a there will be um a reflection, uh, a quote from the book or something like that. Then there's some things to do. So it's expanding the taking action that's at the end of every chapter. And the second one is the whole business of this organic spirituality that I talk about, and and how do we wake up or rediscover, or whatever the word is, that part of ourselves that's been left out. When I started doing this, I couldn't find very many people who mentioned spirit. Mind and body was really big. Yeah, and we were understanding that, and that's easy. I mean, you we know how our mind affects our body. If we're feeling happy, boy, our walk is completely different than if we've got a load on top of our head and we think today's the last day, right? Right. So we know we understand that body-mind, but that's that's not all of it, right? So it's that it's how do we get inside, and that's what I call my transformational journal, and I love it. I started off with what was very popular, the transformational journal. And again, I still think that is a wonderful starting place, but that's not going to bring you fulfillment, right? It isn't, it'll help you to change your mind though, right?

SPEAKER_02 31:49

And to find resonance and alignment with what would be fulfilling. Yes, you're exercising your knower, yeah, and then and you can practice it in easy ways. You know, what everything that you're talking about and creating these new thought systems and what I'm saying about alignment is that's what saying yes to yourself is, and you can't say yes to yourself if you don't know what you want, and if you don't know who you are, exactly. You don't know what you want if you don't know who you are or who you are becoming, and so it takes time, it takes space, it takes a decision. Like you said, you decided. And I believe that being ready isn't a feeling, being ready is a decision.

SPEAKER_01 32:46

Yeah, I mean, you can sit and wait forever and never make any changes, but I think comes a time. Now, I do think like if everything's going fine, we're not likely to get to start off on this, and it happens to everyone in different ways. That's why there's no recipe for this, but there's a lot of ways we can support our body's ability to heal. So I think that in that business of changing the mind, of reshaping the mind, the transformational journal. I talk of that as writing for understanding, not for communication. That's part very much part of my my master's studies were in psycholinguistics. I was always fascinated how children began to learn to read and write. And it was in New England that there was a huge, huge movement. Um, Donald Graves was the one who started it. I think in maybe in Vermont he was. I forget now, but I followed the work. There was a little whole group of them who worked on that stuff through the 60s and 70s and 80s. I loved it. I brought a lot of understanding about the writing process and writing for understanding. And if people will just give it a chance, it guides you. It guides you. I started with thinking about what was good in my life today, what what did I appreciate, and then I went to a presentation by one of my network spinal analysis doctors. He used to do lecture, a few lectures and things, and he was talking about birth and the effects on who we become through in vit through in vitro and and into early days of life. And um that was that was a change. I came home that night and I sat down with my journal and I started to write about my coming into the world. And that was the first time I ever thought about how strong I am, because you know, 87 years ago, I wasn't even four pounds when I was born, and that was not that was you were not supposed to live. Right, and they always laugh, my aunts, about me when I was born because I was so little and so skinny, this little scrap of humanity, and that I just was determined to stay. And I looked at other times in my life when I made some very difficult decisions. So the journal was the beginning for me of going to understand who I really am.

SPEAKER_02 35:30

Oh my gosh, that is so beautiful. Can you please share what would be a couple of journal prompts that someone could use to start this process?

SPEAKER_01 35:46

Okay, I I think to begin to look, I one of the first things I do is I I in in my this little um book that I'm writing to to accompany my other book. I talk about thinking about yourself. When are you at your best? What is it you really do well?

unknown 36:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:08

That kind of thing. Start with thinking about your best self. Right. And then you'll move on to, oh yeah, but look at I do this. And of course you do that. And that's and you do change those things, but don't start there. I say, you know, we we wouldn't get very far driving if we were looking in a rear view mirror all the time.

SPEAKER_02 36:29

100%. Or at the floorboard, because we're so concerned with what is right now. Yeah. We want to look at where we're going.

SPEAKER_01 36:40

Now, that what I what I would suggest, if people are interested, um now in my blogs, they're all things that support this journey of healing. And if people are interested, if they go to my website, they're there. And also I have a wonderful young man. When we talk about our blessings, I have a wonderful young man, he's in his early 40s, who is a digital marketer, never marketed a book before, but he's learning and he's very patient with this old woman. Uh, extremely patient. I love him. Um, I t I tell him if I had a son, it would be him. So um if if they go there, what he's done is put the podcast when this one comes out, you they will let me know, and uh we will get the link and it will go on to my website. I have a whole section, and also I've done about 12 articles as well as blog my blogs, um, and those articles are all are all being included. And there's one other thing, and I know we're all we're almost out of time. You don't worry about the clock, my job. I had a very close friend from a way back in 1971 we met, and we were very close for a few years, and then we went different directions. And you know, as young women do, we get married and we go take jobs here and there. When I moved to where I am now, I'm in a a condo, it's not a seniors condo, but we're many, there's many seniors here. I discovered that she lived here. No. So we hooked up again. Well, a year ago at Christmas, she told me that she had just been told that her cancer, colon cancer, had returned, and she had a month only a matter of months to live. That was a year ago, this past Christmas. And then we talk about the mind. She is the classic example. Um, she passed away about a month ago, but in October, I was visiting her, and I had asked her last August. We would have these conversations like you and I are, and we would talk about life and about how, because neither one of us have had a particularly easy life. We've had we've had success, but we've it's been, you know, we've had our issues, and um, she's had to deal with these this cancer and stuff. So I asked her, could I do a video? And she said no. Uh, she didn't feel comfortable, and I respected that, disappointed. So in October, I'm sitting at her kitchen table, and I we were having this wonderful talk, and I asked her again, and she said, I can, Suzanne, and I will. So I just handed my phone to her sister, who is her caregiver, and we recorded a conversation. Well, it was so beautiful. I had uh a professional videographer put it together for me, and it is on my website, and it's called The Final Journey. And what she talks about there is, you know, what she learned through it, what she needed, what the role her of her sister, and it is a beautiful video. So again, it's on there, it's under conversations because one of the things I'd like to do is a little series called Conversations with Suzanne and interview different. I have several different people I'd love to have talks with about different things, but that one just happened to be death, and people don't usually talk about their dying.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

Right.

SPEAKER_01 40:24

And a week before she died, we had a three-quarters of an hour conversation, and she was as bright, we laughed, we joked, and she was in such pain. But what I'm going to do is a short one with her sister. Oh, beautiful. As a follow-up. I want I want people to hear those la her last day. It is so beautiful. And then also I will ask her to talk about as the caregiver. Right. What did she learn?

SPEAKER_02 41:02

Oh my gosh, Suzanne, that is so beautiful. So those things are all on my website.

SPEAKER_01 41:08

Yes, please tell everybody what the website is. Very simple. I spell my name Suzanne like this: S-U-S-A-N-N-E. And then my last name is Eden, E-D-E-N. So it's S-U-S-A-N-N-E-E-D-E-N. There's two E's in the middle dot com. All right. And uh they can get the blogs. Uh the newsletters are not there. Those are ones we just send to people. If you sign up for them, you can get them. Okay. The newsletters are kind of fun, they're short, and we give any in other information. And I do recipes from what I call my forever diet. Perfect. And they are all um anti-inflammatory. That because and diabetic for diabetics. So those are my those were my two health issues that I was addressing through diet. And so I I I have that.

SPEAKER_02 42:08

Oh, well, we will link that down in the show notes. I have loved this conversation, Suzanne. Thank you for being wonderful you, and I cannot wait to play again.

SPEAKER_01 42:20

I hope, I hope so, and I would love to meet you sometime.

SPEAKER_02 42:23

Fantastic. That's my favorite. I hope you enjoyed that conversation as much as I did. As always, any links or notes mentioned can be found at PhineasRighthouse.com in the podcast section of our site or in the show notes below. And if you haven't connected with me personally, come find me on Instagram at PhineasWrighthouse and let me know you listened to this episode. I'd love to get to know you. Thank you for sharing this time with me. I know your days are full, and I'm really grateful that you chose to spend some of your precious time right here. Be sure to subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any of these delightful conversations. I'll see you next week.