Ep 24 - NASM Certified Personal Trainer Rob Wagener

 Allison talks to NASM certified personal trainer Rob Wagener about getting in shape at any age, figuring out what your motivation is, and how to avoid spinning your wheels when you first start a fitness journey.   

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Welcome to the Boost Your Metabolism After Age 30 Podcast. I'm Joe. And I'm Allison. And we're your co hosts and the founders of Couture Fitness and Lifestyle Coaching. We're on a quest to help women design lives they love and bodies they adore. We were fed up with the dieting industry and decided to create something different. We're starting a calories up revolution where women are nourished, their metabolisms are healed and their bodies and brains start working for them in the battle against weight loss. If you feel like your metabolism is wrecked, and you want to lose weight once and for all, you are in the right place. Welcome everyone. Today, you're going to have just me, Allison, and I have a special guest with us today. We have Rob Wagner with us. We'll just get right into it. And I will let Rob kind of tell about himself. He's going to talk a little bit about his fitness journey. We're going to talk a little bit about mindset and motivation. But first, Rob, why don't you just tell us a little bit about you and what you do? And then we'll get into your fitness journey and a little bit. Yeah, sure. By the way, saying just Allison, it sounds like it's a negative. It's only you. I'm glad to be here with you. Thank you so much for inviting me, you know, we kind of crossed paths happenstance, just because you're down the road and neighbor for me. And we were on some of the same articles online and I saw what you guys were doing there in Kansas City. And I was like, I'm just gonna reach out and say, Hey, so thank you for letting me do this with you. Yeah. Really excited. So yeah, so my name is Rob. I'm 45. I've been married 13 years. I've got three stepkids. They're now boy, they're 2117 and 15. They were seven, three, and one whenever I came around, originally, so the last decade plus a lot of family time working with them, I run a website called fitness business.com, which is a website just kind of geared towards the 3040 50 range, age range and up just motivation fitness stuff over there. I'm an a certified personal trainer and nutrition coach was National Academy of Sports Medicine, just kind of out here in the Midwest, living my best life attempts at my best life anyway, so just glad to be here again. Thank you. Awesome. Sounds good. And I know, you know, you said we crossed paths, mostly online, looking at your website, it looks like you have your own personal fitness journey. At some point, you decided you were going to get healthy and get in really good shape. Let's talk a little bit more about that. When did you decide you know, I'm gonna get really healthy, I'm gonna get in great shape. And then what did your journey look like? Yeah, so I kind of fell into it originally, a lot of times, whenever I talk about where I started from, it's not it wasn't a purposeful introduction into fitness. It kind of just happened, you know, my 20s and my 30s, I was in a band, and we traveled a lot. So fitness wasn't really a part of that whole thing. In fact, strangely, during that time, I kind of thought it was LAME. I don't know what the thing was. But something about being in a rock band, you'd see some like super buff do and you're like, Oh, that guy's sweet or whatever. I don't know what it was. There was some weird mindset about that. Once I got into my 30s, right after my 30s right after I got married, my wife actually started to do some fitness stuff. And then that had not really been a thing of hers prior to that either. So I just kind of did some stuff with her because she was like, let's do some stuff together. So I remember just like aimlessly running sometimes and just going this is miserable, like this is this. And so I really kind of started because she was kind of trying to figure some of her own stuff out. But I remember specifically going into, I don't know if you guys have supplement superstores in Kansas City, I think you guys might there. It's a place where you can go and buy your protein powders. And so she had been going there to buy some of her stuff. And the guy in there, John, he goes, I think he was just being nice to me at the time. He's like, Hey, do you kind of big do you live? And I was like, Yeah, I live burgers, my mouth. And even as I said it, I was just like, he knows I don't live. And I know that this is a defense mechanism, because I'm embarrassed that I don't write i. And so that was sort of the beginning of the journey. It wasn't purposeful. It wasn't something with intent. It was just something I kind of did, because she was doing it and sort of on a whim. And that sort of began the process for me. Okay, so you talked about how you started out, you know, just kind of running and then you mentioned this guy at the store, you know, talking to you about lifting. So have you I assume you kind of pivoted then and got more into the lifting the strength training aspect. Do you still run? Do you still enjoy running? Or have you kind of abandon that? Yeah, well, I go through I go through seasons, no doubt, you know, where something tends to fit better than maybe something else at a particular time. I actually spent a lot of time sort of flailing at the beginning with trying different things. Again, I wasn't real purposeful or really didn't have an idea of where I was going. I remember at one point I did like a 60 day juice fast in the beginning just trying to figure some stuff I didn't mean to it was just another thing. I thought I'll just do this for a day and the next thing I knew it was two months later and I have lost all my muscle mass. My wife looked at me like, this is uncomfortable, and I was like, I feel great. But you know, I was still kind of trying to run and do different things. And then it just sort of evolved, I would sort of dip a toe into something else. I wasn't really doing gym stuff yet. But definitely a lot of running, p90x was still a thing back then. And so I was hitting the p90x and cussing it every time I did it, because I hated it. So it would just kind of it would just kind of evolve, I would do something for a little bit, and then try something else and include something else sort of into the repertoire, nothing really planned, still nothing really structured. I didn't understand meal planning, and calories and macros. So on one hand, I'm putting some decent effort and energy into trying these new things. But because I didn't really understand what's actually required to get anywhere with it, I was running into those walls fairly early of, oh, things aren't going I'm not ripped all of a sudden, you know, or whatever. Or I'm still hovering, I can, I'm still kind of big, and it's not doing well. And so, very early, I encountered a lot of that frustration of I feel like I'm trying hard, but something's not quite clicking. And so what we ended up doing was hiring our first trainer very early on, because we just thought, like, look, we're missing something here. Like there's something's not quite working out. So there's a guy that frankly, we just knew from one of our other friends that had hired him to do you know, the shows the physique, shows, bodybuilding, yep, she went from nothing. Like she wasn't into any of it. And all of a sudden, she's like, I'm gonna do it. And so we kind of watched her metamorphosis and was like, okay, whoever she's going to, let's go to that guy, because we're not trying to do that, you know, I mean, like, we weren't trying to do what she was doing. But we felt like at least a trainer can put us on the path and explain what's happening and sort of how to course correct it. So that was something we did pretty early on. Okay, what was the one thing that you felt like really finally changed your body? Was it the the weight training, from a physical standpoint, the meal stuff was probably more stable. Yeah, you know, I remember one of the very first things whenever we went to the trainer, and it kind of freaked us out was we would go in and do like our bi weekly check ins, you know, after spending a couple of weeks of being on the plans, you know, they get, they gave us a food, and they gave us the workouts. And so I remember one of the very first check ins, we go in, and he's like, so rob your muscles not really up, you're losing the weight, etc. He's like, so what we're going to do is we're going to change one of your meals, it was, I think, seven one ounce turkey meatballs at a time. And he goes, we're gonna change that to eight. And I sat there and waited. And I was like, and you're like, what, there's got to be more to this. He's like, That's it. That's all we're gonna do. And we left there. And I remember telling my wife, like, we just hired this guy. And his advice is like, add a meatball. And so for the next two weeks, I added the meatball, and we go in for that next check in and he's like, Oh, great news, your muscles up. And I was just like, oh, man, how would we have ever figured this out on our own? Like, oh, that one ounce meatball seems to have made a difference in the things that we were. So for, I would say the meal stuff really had more physical impact, because I was really already putting different types of really trying different things. I was running decently I was at the gym, granted sort of flailing, but I was still putting effort. But the meal stuff, the trainer really kind of showed, you know, the mathematical equation behind the stuff that you're eating, and the calories and the macros and that kind of stuff. So to me actually, probably more than the workouts, the food and figuring out how to sort of manage that and track that had the biggest difference for both of us. I think that's probably true for most people, we kind of we have this graphic that we use, and it's like a pyramid. And really, like I would say, yes, the most of the bottom of the pyramid is your nutrition. Like if your nutrition is not on point, you're not going to get the results you want no matter even if you're doing the right things in the gym, you've got to have that piece figured out. And I agree and that piece can be it can be hard at first, it can be really overwhelming to figure that out. Because there's so many diets out there, like you said, you try to juice cleanse. And I mean, there's like 100 other diets I could name that are popular that I'm sure you know people try all the time. And so figuring out that piece and it really honestly, it's a lot simpler than I think a lot of people believe, you know, just I would say if you want to simplify it, just focus on eating whole foods and getting in your protein. And it's really that simple. But we make it for me was I was trying to outwork a bad diet. Yeah. Like, if I just do enough curls or whatever the thing like I it'll make and it just never did. And even still, you know, 10 years later, I still fight that a little bit, you know, that mentality of like, let's just run a little farther and you can you can go overboard on it. So, you know, it's a constant thing. I don't know if you ever like you know it, but sometimes accepting it becomes a sort of a nonstop thing that you kind of have to deal with. So yeah, but yeah, that that was definitely the biggest thing. Yeah, I agree. I think that's probably true for most people. And I would put and I don't you let me know if you agree with this. I would put strength training right above that. I would say figure out your nutrition, figure out your strength training. And then the other stuff is just the small All things. Those are the big, the big rocks percent on the strength training. And you also I think have to know like what strength training actually is your height? Because I think that at the beginning, I thought I was strength training, and I'm just in there just like we like there was no point or purpose to sort of what I was doing. I didn't understand rest periods I didn't understand. I mean, it was a jump. It was a, it was an increase from doing nothing. But it wasn't, it wasn't really targeted for anything. Yeah, guessing. So the strength stuff definitely had had a big impact. And it became something that, you know, you asked earlier, sort of what's made the biggest impact, even with the strength stuff, you know, it's still something that goes up and down for me to this day, as far as how I approach it, like, I know how I want to do it. But sometimes it's, you know, I'm trying to build muscle endurance, sometimes I'm trying to build actual muscle size, I kind of treat strength in a few different ways. But it's always consistent. Like, it's never something that I take for granted anymore. Same as the food like once you know, you just know if you can, yeah, once you know, and it's kind of become a habit. It's just second nature, like I don't need a meal anymore without protein in it. It's just like something I do every snack every meal. It's got protein in it. Yeah, yeah, you talked about strength training. And you know, you can be doing a lot of stuff in the gym, but not have a focus plan. And I say, just because you've got weights doesn't mean you're really doing you're not you don't that doesn't mean you're following a good strength training plan, you can be doing cardio with weights, I could swing my arm up and down with a two pound weight for, you know, 10 minutes. And that's, that's cardio with weights. That's not real targeted strength training. So having a good program is really key to taking your results to that next level. Yeah, well, even to that point, a lot of people that try to get into getting in shape, you know, a lot of the reasons that they lose the motivation is because they are putting that effort and energy into some things. And if you don't quite have a grasp on what's required to sort of make the progress that you want, like there's nothing more deflating or demotivating than going like I went to the gym zero times before this, I've been three or four times this week, and each week for the last month, whatever and like nothing a lack of results. It can be like one of the most devastating things when you're trying to put this effort energy. And it's ended up being just simply because a part of it's missing that you're not quite getting figured out the efforts there, the energy is there and even seems some sort of motivations there, but not knowing exactly how to target that stuff, and how to do it in a way to get you what you're actually after. You know, that's why I think the coach for me became so important was myself losing that motivation back then I was just like, I'm trying and I know, I'm missing I know that can be very demotivating, you kind of have to have it all calibrated your your lifting your nutrition, any extra activity, whether that's cardio or getting in your steps, or whatever, it all really has to be calibrated to really get the ball moving with the results. And yeah, you can be working so hard, and not getting the results just because you're not you know, you don't have that good solid plan. So I completely agree with you there. So you mentioned when we were emailing back and forth, you talked about motives and mindset, and that you definitely feel very strongly that if your motives are not there in the right place, it's really hard to get your mind on board. And we talk a lot about mindset. My business partner, Joe is a certified life coach, and she does lots of trainings for our clients on on mindset, because it's so important. You can have all the knowledge but if your mindset is not right, you can't fit this into your life. So now that you talk a little bit about, you know what you've seen how your motives and your mindset really can can make or break your success. Yeah, I love motive and motivation stuff when it comes to fitness. In fact, whenever we were emailing back and forth, I told my wife that that was one of the things we brought up as far as a possible topic. And she's like, Oh, that's the one you should be talking about. Like she just because it's something made her talk about a lot motivated mindset. You know, earlier I mentioned that whenever I started fitness, it was sort of done on a whim I really didn't have any intention to do. I think a lot of people think that in order to start, you've got to have some sort of everything kind of figured out as far as well. Why am I doing this? What's the greater purpose of it, a lot of people can start on a whim and just going like, I really don't know why I'm doing this. I'm just going to do it because sometimes action leads to more action, but inaction won't, right. So just starting something, even without a grand purpose can lead you to a point where then you can go like Alright, now I'm going to a situation where I've tried some things and I've started to develop the motivation, I started to put some things together. Now that makes sense to me now that I sort of put my toes in, in this pond that like, maybe I can see down the road a little bit of why this would matter to me, whereas I couldn't before before I was just doing it for me it was because my wife was doing it. But it was only a matter of time before we were doing it together. And all of a sudden it became motivating to because we were doing it together because we were connecting on something that we hadn't done before that it was sort of a it felt purposeful and like we were benefiting like future stuff in some sort of ways. And it was something that I developed over the juice fast that I mentioned earlier. I had no intention of doing it for two months. And now that I look back, I'm like That's insane. But whenever I started at the time, my motivation was just Just want to try this for a day. And then like all of a sudden, you know, a week later, having, you know, seven days under my belt, my motivation changed. And all of a sudden it was like, I kind of want to do something more with this. And I didn't necessarily, if I had waited for that motivation to do more with it to come before I started, I never would have started, I would have been waiting around forever. So I think that a lot of times folks end up in this inaction state, because they're waiting for that motivation to come. That's going to explain to them why they're doing it at all. And sometimes just a matter of just kind of starting I remember whenever I was young, you know, 1819 years old, my first job was at a Walmart down in Sand Springs, Oklahoma. And I called in one day, because my car was having some sort of problems, which seemed on retrospect was a lot of the times my car wasn't that great. And I remember my boss said something to me the next time that I came in, and I don't know if she was being like, intentionally trying to teach me a lesson, or if it was just something she said for it, but she's like, well, what if I gave you had million dollars? Would you have made find found a way to make it in? And I was like, Well, yeah. And then I realized what she's basically saying, there was like, you know, the carrot for you just wasn't big enough to chase like, if it was, if you had a motivation that was bigger than the bigger than your car, not working bigger than your excuse, you would figure out a way to do it. Because like motivation Leads to You can't hardly stop true motivation from keeping you from doing whatever it is you're trying to do. There's a lot of other things that can be swayed. You know, there's a lot of stuff that can cause you to stop doing what you're doing. But like true motivation, that means something to you that like legitimately mean, something to like, that is really difficult to stop in its tracks or to kill off and just die in some way. true motivation ends up being the thing that like, doesn't matter what comes like, I think about like, the pursuit of happiness, the movie with Will Smith and I remember him like sleeping in that bathroom floor, and whatever that thing was, when you're motivated to do the thing. It's hard to stop that process. But I think part of that is also you got to figure out like, what the motivation actually is, for me, that was a lot of the problem at the beginning was was trying to sort through that. And I found myself at the time saying things like, I just want to do it to get healthier, or I want to do it so that when my kids get older out, you know, whatever the thing is, people say, and as I was saying them, I knew that they weren't true. I mean, they, they, they sounded very regal. And they sounded very like, like they made me sound like a good person. But I knew that my core that it probably wasn't true. And if I had tried to stick by those motives, it's like my excuse, when challenges came that I need to overcome, those weren't going to be enough to do it. Because they really weren't my turns out. And this is like, not as regal. Like, for me, it's a lot of like, ego driven stuff. Like for me, my true motivations are being picked on as a kid being ignored by girls as a kid. Even now that I'm 45. It sounds weird, but my motivations are, when I go to the gym, I pay attention to like what everybody is doing in there because I want to outwork them, I can't help it. Like it's I got a chip on my shoulder from being younger. Yeah, I want to be healthy for the kids I want. It's all legit. But when it comes down to it, the thing that has kept me actually going for the last decade is that chip of like, I kind of want to turn ahead, maybe whenever I go into a gym, I want some I want some 20 year old or 21 year old guy to go like, okay, that guy's at work, and I'm gonna leave what it is I pay attention to that stuff. And that ended up being my true motivation. It doesn't sound no one's gonna hear that and go, like, that's a real, like, good motivation. Like it makes you sound like, it makes me sound kind of like a like a vain person, I get it. But the reality of it for me is like, it is what it is, right. And so if I had waited to try to work through those chips, to try to get to a motivation that sounded more personable, or I would still be waiting because it just didn't happen. So to me, that's the that's the thing. Like people should be asking themselves that type of question, which is like, like, what do I actually care about? If I set aside sort of the social aspects are what people would think like, what is my true answer? Is it ego driven? Perfect, it is what it is and accept it, right? I mean, and use that to drive. That's the stuff understanding who you really are and what truly matters. And it's not just with fitness stuff, right? It's with life in general. Like, like, that's the stuff that will help you persevere, when things get difficult and challenges come your way. No, and I think that's I mean, that isn't that is your honest truth. Like I think that's great. I think that's probably true for a lot of us, we don't want to admit that. Hey, I just I want to look good, but I think that for a lot of people that's probably when they get down to it. That's probably a big part of it. And it's really interesting that you mentioned you know, you were little or picked on as a child I think those things that maybe happened to us in our childhood, they they do stick with us forever. It's very interesting because I can name several things from my own childhood that have been my motivation, both in fitness and my career that you know, might seem like minor things, but that's truly what is like my motivation to succeed. It is it is not it's how your childhood can do that to you. I always wonder how I'm screwing up my kids. I'm like, oh, gosh, what terrible thing am I doing to them, that's gonna motivate them for the rest of that period. You know, when you go through stuff like that, that becomes like the ultimate pre workout for whenever you become an adult, like, if you want to go in just going like, I'm ready to do this, like, get picked on a little bit, you know, whenever you're in high school get ignored by you know, whoever you're not wanting to be ignored by like, that can be a tremendous driver in what you do later on, like set, not just fitness, but just like, yeah, business, social, whatever, for sure. Agree. So along that same vein as a, you're a certified personal trainer, so I'm sure you've probably heard plenty of excuses for you know why I can't get in shape or don't want to get in shape? What are some of those common excuses that you've heard? Or, you know, pick one, two, however many and you know, how would you respond to somebody with those excuses. So a lot of the reason I decided to even get the certification to start with was because people were having conversations with me and had questions at the time, because I was maybe one of the few in my age range that was around that was doing something fitness related. And it was almost always, because of things like you're asking now, like reasons that they can't do something or looking for reasons why they can or trying to overcome, like mental hurdles, or whatever it is. And I think for a lot of folks, it comes down to they can't hardly picture what the end looks like, because they've never been exposed to it. I remember, whenever I first started, one of the things I had to overcome was the feeling like it wasn't for me, like fitness, and a lot of stuff in life was meant for other people. You know, and that probably goes back to kids stuff, right? Being young and being a teenager even and going through like that is that's a tough thing to overcome to feel like the world has met some things for some people, and not for others. And I think for a lot of folks, they're just not exposed to fitness, they're not exposed to like meal prepping or workouts like I never was. And so trying to kind of get an idea and work up any sort of motivation and energy and effort towards something that you don't even think is really necessarily for you or that even exist, that's a really hard thing to overcome. And I think that goes back to what we were talking about earlier is a lot of people should just be able to start or should find, just do it just because even if you don't understand the end, and if you think it's not for you like sometimes that mindset stuff can change with a little bit of experience and a little bit of exposure to some things. But vision is a big one, you know, I'm not a religious person. But there's a verse in the Bible that says without a vision that people will perish. That's exactly like if you don't have the ability to see where you're going, like you're probably not even going to start. And so exposure to those types of things, and inclusion in those types of things. So that was another thing for me early on was inclusion, John at that store, I know his name, because for years later I'd go in and you know, me and John become friends. Right? Right. I go in and one day, John's got a bag full of stuff for me as a just because he's like, I appreciate you here's like some pre workout in a bag with your neck being included on stuff made it big, I didn't feel like I'd ever be included in that stuff wasn't my world, you know, I was in a different world. And so that's the other part is you think you're alone, going into it. Like it feels very isolated. Whenever you're not exposed to it. I don't have friends doing. I don't know, I'm just gonna walk into this gym and embarrass myself as kind of the way that it feels. And reality of it is like there's a community that is like wanting to accept you and like, because they were where you're at, at one point, right? They're like, come on in. I know, it doesn't feel like that whenever you're first walking in, but being able to understand that it is for you, if you choose it, right, you can have this same thing. And there are people there willing to help you along the way. It's not a matter of being alone. You don't have to sit at home and just accept things for what they are. We're out here like we're ready for you. Know, that's, that's awesome. I love that. And I agree, I think it's really easy to feel like, you know, an outsider or being fit is for those other people but not for me. And I'll never be a part of it. I would say I personally think the fitness community is one of the most accepting communities that there is every I mean, once you realize how great you feel by by, you know, working out and eating healthy, you just want everybody else to be there with you because you want them to feel that way too. And I think, you know, it probably does seem intimidating to go into a gym and feel like everybody knows what they're doing and they're in great shape. But I can promise you nobody at the gym or wherever else you may work out is thinking that they're worried about themselves. And all they want to do is have more people be included and feel included. So if you're if that's your hold up, don't let don't let it be because I can promise you the fitness community is not a judgmental community at all. I'm sure it looks very intimidating from the outside, but it is a very, very inclusive and welcoming community. And I would also add, I think it's most important if you're not sure where to get started, that's the time I would say to find a coach or a personal trainer to help you get started. You won't need them forever. It's a great thing to do when you Getting started. So you don't like you mentioned earlier, just spin your wheels where it feels like you're working really hard, but maybe working really hard in the wrong direction to have you somebody to guide you along the right path from straight from the start is going to get you results, it's going to prevent you from spinning your wheels. And then maybe you work with them for six months or a year, you're gonna know eventually what to do, you will not need them forever. But I would say if you're starting out, or if you just are stuck and don't know what to do, that's the time to seek out that help. Yeah, and they're not just going to get you the results, like they are, like you said, you're not going to need them forever. And it's not just because you're gonna have your results, and you're gonna have your results forever. It's because you learn stuff to during the process through them that makes you more knowledgeable. So the ones your relationship is kind of done, you've accomplished whatever it is you want to accomplish. You walk away from that going like, wow, not only did I achieve the goals I was trying to achieve, I gained the muscle lost the weight, whatever the thing is, like now I know. And I have no excuses to not be whatever anymore, because now it's not a matter of knowledge. Now it's a matter of action right now. It's like if I don't if I lose these gains, or if I gain the weight, or whatever it is like, it's not because I didn't know anymore, and I can't blame that. One of those levels out. Yep, absolutely. Okay, I'm gonna ask you one, one last question. And then I'll let you tell a little bit more about your business and where people can find you. But we have a lot of clients who are in their 40s 50s 60s, even 70s. And we like to tell everyone, you are never too old, and it's never too late. So what would you tell somebody who's maybe in their, you know, 40s or 50s, or 60s, and they feel like it's too late to get in shape? What would you say to them? I love this question. I love it. Because to me, this is also kind of wraps into the mindset, right? To me, it's less about the age and more about the mindset me at 45. I lay in bed a lot of night thinking about how much longer I've got, let, I can't help it. I've done that since I was like 20, I think about the number of years, whatever. And if you are thinking like well, I am 40 I am 50 I am 60 that it's too late. It depends on how you're looking at life, right? Like, if you're looking backwards at what's already happened, and you're trying to frame it against that you're kind of right, it is too late, that stuff's gone. And you're at the end of your past, like you're this is the last part of your past. But if you have the mindset of like, where your life is going right, the next 1020 30 years, you're actually at the very beginning, like this is like the birth of that there's literally no sooner time for that next period of your life than right now. And so tomorrow, it will also be the soonest time for the rest of your life. It is your birthday tomorrow. And so it depends on how you're looking at sort of life in general. Like if you're looking forward to the next level. You know, if you say, Well, I'm 40, like, what's the point? I'm 50? What's the point? I'm 60? What's the point? Well, the point is your next two, three decades, like this is the earliest you can get in. And so yeah, wait another 10 years. And they're gonna say again, well, what's the point? Well, but if you start that now, I mean, there's no earlier ties, maybe it's cliche as it sounds like a commercial, there is no earlier time than like now is legitimate. So don't spend too much time framing it against like, I've already lived X number like that's looking backwards, you don't want to do that. Because there's literally nothing you can do that that is a thing that you are putting away, you're done with that part, the birth starts now the next chapter starts now. And this is the soonest that you can get in that you'll ever be able to get in and start this journey for the rest of your life. So the other thing I'd mentioned too, is a lot of folks in that age range, have done this before they've had some sort of fitness progress are journey before and they feel like they've fallen off the rails, right time has passed, stuff has happened. And they're just, I'm just a big believer that you're not actually ever off the rails and T does. You choose to never get back on right like that everything is sort of an up and down process. So don't dissuade yourself from getting back into it. Because you feel like, well, I've done too much damage. Again, there's no such thing. We're always ready for you to come back, right. But fitness doesn't change. It's sitting there, it's stable. All it matters is getting back on right and going like, Okay, I'm resuming this. So until you actually give up, you're never actually off and we don't ever actually see you as off. You just took a break. Like you just took a little bit of a whatever from it. But that's part of the process, right? You can't stay on 100% All the time, it will not work out well for you. So enjoy the process, enjoy the ups and downs, but until you actually choose to not get back on. I'm just going to assume that you're on. And I love what you said the best you know, start just start now. Have you heard the saying The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago when the next best time is now. And that's so true for fitness. It's true for investing. You know, the best time to invest your money was 20 years ago, but the next best time is right now that's true for a lot of things. So I would say forget your age. If you're thinking that it's too late and get started now a year from now. You will not regret it. I can promise you no matter how old you are, if you get started today now Next year, you will say I am so happy that I started this journey. Yeah, for me at 45 and 5055. Six, like, my goal is what I want to accomplish with my life doesn't look anything like it did whenever I was 25 or 35. And I don't want it to. So like, for me, being able to be active, being able to be fit, being able to make games, being able to build strike, whatever the thing is, like, it allows me to now do the things that I couldn't have done back then, which is live a little bit because my kids are grown right? Go dancing whenever I want it. I say dancing loosely. I move right. Like it's not a No, I don't think anybody else would call it dancing. But like, it's, I'm using those things to fuel. The next chapter in the things that I am now that I have on my plate that I didn't have two decades ago, back then I was just goofing like, I didn't know what I was doing. But like now, trying to live purposefully trying to live intentionally and I'm using being fit with my wife, right? We're both like super into it and doing it sort of together. It's changing the way that we perceive what our next two decades or three decades are going to look like. And you've got a lot to look forward to you guys are going to be active and you have a lot to look forward to. Absolutely, yep. Okay, well, I think we're gonna wrap it up there, Rob, I'm gonna let you tell people in just a minute where they can find you, I'm going to do my my quick plug for couture fitness. So no matter what your age, if you want to get in shape now is always the best time we do design custom plans, nutrition and fitness. It's all done virtual. So no matter where you live, we can work with you, you'll get a, like I said, a custom plan, you'll check in weekly with your coach. And then my business partner, Joe, she does two life coaching sessions each week. One's an open q&a. One is prepared content. That's what you get with our programs. And we've had success with people of all ages from down to you know, late 20s, all the way up to 70s. So any age you can, you can make it happen. So Rob, tell us a little bit more about you know what, what you do in the fitness space and where people can find you if they want to learn more about you and read some more of your great content that you've got out online. Sure, by the way, you talked about you were with different ages. If you don't if they don't follow your Instagram or your posting some of these things of your clients, they should because that's the proof of what you guys are doing for your clients. So you're absolutely killing it for those folks. So I don't know what your Instagram handle is offhand is probably Twitter. It's couture fitness coaching on Instagram, if you just search for that you'll find us. So yeah, you can find me it's fitness business.com, which is a silly name for a website. My site's just there for motivating trying to help people kind of get through some of these hurdles in the journey. I've got a bunch of articles over there different ways to kind of help you through I'm busy spending most of my time between shuffling kids around track. And now one just bought a house and trying to keep my marriage running at highest possible level. But if you go over there, you can just check out some of the content, some of the articles and hopefully it'll help inspire you to get over some of the hurdles, you can email me if you have questions. It's just rob at fitness business.com You can find that on the website too. So and Willie will link all of your stuff in the show notes when we aired this episode two so sure. Well Rob It was it's been great talking to you. Like we said we live only three hours apart. So hopefully one day we can we can meet up in person and catch a workout or something. I couldn't be more thrilled that you asked me. You sent me the thing that's my wife was like, I'm gonna do this podcast. I'm super pumped about it. Well, thanks so much for coming on. 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