From Olympic Failure to Purpose: Jo Warwick On Human Design, Trauma, And Effortless Success | EP 105

From Olympic Failure to Purpose: Jo Warwick On Human Design, Trauma, And Effortless Success | EP 105

What if the “failure” you’re still trying to outrun was actually training you for your real purpose?

In this episode, Jo Warwick shares how an Olympic-level equestrian path, a life-altering accident, and deep trauma work reshaped her definition of success — and ultimately led her to a more powerful, sustainable way of living and leading.

Rather than abandoning excellence, Jo explains how redefining it allowed her performance to finally give back. We explore how hidden survival patterns quietly cap growth, why effort alone eventually backfires, and what happens when alignment replaces force.

Jo brings rare clarity to Human Design, breaking down generators, manifesting generators, projectors, manifestors, and reflectors in practical, real-world language. As a 4/6 projector, she explains why seeing systems — not pushing output — became her greatest advantage, and why copying someone else’s cadence is one of the fastest paths to burnout.

At the heart of the conversation is Jo’s Mountain Model:
many high achievers climb out of trauma only to stall mid-mountain, where old “glitch patterns” quietly drain momentum. Jo’s Precision Success Method helps identify the exact energy leak, resolve value conflicts, and let your design lead — creating growth that feels clean, visible, and sustainable.

We also talk:

• Burnout and high performance
• Trauma, nervous system safety, and energy management
• Money stories and fear of visibility
• Why “it is safe to be me” is a performance strategy, not a mantra
• How aligned strategy transforms business, relationships, and self-worth

If you’re done with hustle-driven success and ready for precision, clarity, and integrity at your next edge, this conversation will meet you there.

Listen, take what lands, test it in your own world — and if it lights you up, back it fully.
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Transcript

From Failure To Redefining Gold

SPEAKER_00 1:06

If I hadn't have gone to rock button, actually, and if I hadn't believed along that journey of giving so much time, so many opportunities, so much what seemed like it was right and good, for me I felt like a failure that I didn't get to my gold medal.

Anita Mattu 1:23

Today's guest is Joe Warwick, an Olympic level success coach, world-class psychotherapist, turned energetic strategist, published author of The Big Book of Love and 46 Projector, who helps high-achieving women transform the refined glitch patterns that drain their value and cap their expansion. With 30 years of mastery across psychology, identity, behavior, and energetics, she is the creator of the position success method and host of glitches to gold. Welcome, Joe.

SPEAKER_00 2:05

Hi. Gosh, that sounds a lot, doesn't it?

Anita Mattu 2:08

Well, it it all sounds very exciting. I'm excited to learn a few things.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

I feel like I ought to cut that down. Gosh, it sounds an awful lot.

Anita Mattu 2:19

It's great. Absolutely. So, with that said, what is one of the most courageous things that you have done? Oh gosh.

Courage As An Inner Journey

SPEAKER_00 2:28

It's funny, I was thinking about this today. You know, the edge is something that I seek to overcome a lot. So I being I've often heard throughout my life people go, Oh, you're so brave, you're so courageous. And I think it's because you know, I started my career riding horses, and from a very early age, I was throwing myself over jumps and kind of just pushing my edge all the time, but from a place of joy when I was younger. And I think, I think for all of that, I would say the most courageous thing I have ever done is go inside and look at myself. Well, yeah, not all the big stuff, all that stuff that says written that this is what I've achieved and what I've done and books and blah blah blah. It's that I stopped and faced my deepest fears, my PTSD, my trauma, my abuse, all of those things. The journey of facing Joe Warwick, who she really is, and and and getting rid of all that crap. You know, not just not just sitting with it and owning it and wallowing it, but deciding again and again and again and again that's not who I am. That's not who I am. That's what happened to me. That's not who I am, that's where I'm not where I want to be, that's not who I am as an identity, and coming to myself over and over and over again. I would say that's the most courageous thing I've ever done.

Anita Mattu 3:50

Absolutely. And the thing is, it is absolutely courageous to face ourselves, you know, hold that mirror up against ourselves. Oh, yeah. And that's what it's all about. The rest of them, the things like, you know, people often say, Oh, well, it's a choice whether I jumped out of an aeroplane, hopefully with a parachute, you know, things like that.

SPEAKER_00 4:11

Yeah. But I would say I think it's those the big things on the outside helped me to become braver. But I would say that for a long time I was seeking risk outside of myself to feel alive. When I hadn't dealt with my trauma, I was, you know, I was looking for things that made me feel alive because I felt like I was behind a glass window. But the more that I became myself, the more that I faced on the inside, the more life could get to me. And so actually, I didn't need to get those things. So now when I think about, you know, when I surfed, I surfed for 17 years. And when I first started surfing, it was like, oh my god, you know, I had to almost I was trying to get back to the level of being the Olympic, you know, training for the Olympics. I was like, I'm gonna do big waves, and I was competing against the guys. Now I'm just like, you know, I don't mind just playing around in the sea body surfing when I'm wild swimming. And the same as when I snowboard, I just I'd just rather have a nice day. I'm not out to prove things in the same way. Now that might be age, but I also for me I get such a richer, deeper experience because I've gone on the inside. For me, that matters so much more. That depth matters so much more than trying to do extraordinary things all the time. I do like extraordinary, I do like facing my edge, and I do like those, but I I think it's a kind of balance. The depth is j more important than the expansion, but now I have the depth, it's like, okay, now I like the expansion again.

Anita Mattu 5:46

Absolutely. And here's the thing, it is it's really facing those moments and actually understanding that doesn't define me either. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:56

Absolutely. I wouldn't let anything define me, but that's because I'm stubborn as hell in a scorpio.

Anita Mattu 6:02

It was like somebody's gotta do it.

SPEAKER_00 6:05

Yeah, and I think you know, I all my life it was like, no, I'm gonna prove who I am, and believing I wanted freedom, freedom, freedom, and there was always that stuff. T tenacious, it's being called in a nice way, but in a bad way, stubborn as hell. But I would say that can be a good thing as well as a bad.

Anita Mattu 6:24

For sure. So tell me about your Olympic training and your title.

Chasing Risk Versus Finding Depth

Olympic Dreams, Trauma, And Recovery

SPEAKER_00 6:29

Yes. Um, well, I started my so when I was younger, I had a choice of two paths. One was um I was really into performance, so I was really into singing and dancing. I was actually involved in a show that went on to the Barclays Music Awards. I had a C D done, so I was just in my hair. Um I was on like the the ingenue of this musical, and I we were recorded for a CD, and and it turns out you know, quite a few of the people who were in that are now quite you know famous sort of Hollywood actors and stuff, and it was a it was a path. I loved musicals ever since I was a kid. I was like, oh, every old 1930s, 19 I just I love it. I love the whole show thing, it was wonderful. But my brother was a music producer, and although I had singing lessons and I was following down that path, my brother actually said to me, I don't think you're good enough. I should never have listened to my brother. But at parallel to that, I had been riding since I was four, and I do remember watching uh International Velvet and going, I want to, I want to do that, I want to do that. But I was always riding and I was competing, and it was natural to me. It was something that I loved. I'd had horses since I was nine, or ponies. I was very natural. However, I would say that the striving to be the best was coming from a trauma response. It it wasn't a healthy response, it was wanting to be seen. It was definitely a projector wound, I would say. This kind of needing to be seen. I didn't feel visible, I was different. There was kind of like I need to get out there, which the performance was probably the same thing. So anyway, I went down this path, I followed this path, you know, and things just lined up. They were lining up and lining up and lining up. I trained with international show jumpers, Olympic riders, everything. I just I got all these things. But the actual path, we got worse and worse and worse. It got harder and harder for me. Not my skill set, not the not the manifestation of what looked like amazing. I even had the horse. But I understand now it was about my energy, and also I hadn't healed the trauma on the inside. And you cannot compete at a at a level like that unless you feel stable on the inside, and I did not, and I was attracting a lot of very dangerous, not just from the not just from the training, but dangerous people to work with, abusive situations, because I was just like, I haven't healed this. I was just a magnet for anybody who wanted to have a go at me. It it was the path I was meant to take, because if I hadn't done that, I wouldn't have become a psychotherapist, if I hadn't have nearly lost my leg, had a major riding accident that completely transformed my life, I wouldn't have ended up becoming a psychotherapist, getting PTSD, becoming the top of my field, becoming really world class. I just fast tracked my way through being a psychotherapist and obsessed. And I wouldn't have done all that if I hadn't have gone to rock bottom, actually. And if I hadn't believed along that journey of giving so much time, so many opportunities, so much what seemed like it was right and good for me and felt like a failure, that I didn't get to my gold medal, that I didn't get even I literally even lived with the chef de keep of the British team. So the the person who manages the British team. I had every opportunity come to me, but it wasn't right. It wasn't where I was meant to go. And what I learned from that, now I can reflect back and see just really this healing of this idea of failure and what it really means when you're on your right path and when you're on your, you know, aligned with your energy, aligned with your success, aligned with who you are, and when you're not. And I do believe there was a soul contract in there. I do believe there was a purpose to all of this because I think it, you know, I now can teach about it in amazing ways. But the mindset of that attitude of riding at that level, competing at that level, over and over again, high risk, very high risk. You know, when I was competing, I lost quite a few of my friends, died, and it's a serious sport. It's three-day eventing is a serious sport, but it's also highly dangerous. In I was starving all the time. I was mentally unstable. Um, I used to have panic attacks. I used to, oh, I I was, I mean, I was nothing of me. I was skin and bone. And you can't, you know, just can't function at that level. Unless you're healthy, it's different now. Of course, it's improved. Sport has it. This was a lot 30 years ago now, but and I but what I learned from that was my ability to even in all of that, my capacity, my power to still compete and still win and still achieve and still go to the next level without, you know, uh probably a tiny weeny percentage of my power, only running on like a battery that was like down 10%, which showed me over the years to think about how friggin' powerful I actually am. And I think we doubt that when we're using our energy correctly. So understanding the mindset of somebody who competes at that level, how you focus to get over a jump, how you focus to get to the next thing, how you focus, you know, that's life. And what I did from that point was translate my understanding and my knowledge. I translated it to surfing, I translated it to snowboarding, I translated it into business, I translated it then into um psychotherapy, I translated it, I kept using all this knowledge and skills, going, yeah, but I know how to do that. And I also riding, and I still remember my ex-fiance saying this to me, said, he said, I saw you walking down the road. This was after my riding accident, because after my accident, they told me I would never ride again. He said to me, he said, gosh, when you're riding down the road, you look one with a horse. Like you literally look one. And I think for me, that was about teaching me something that was so in my soul. It wasn't just about the riding, but it taught me about energy, like being a team with your energy. And when you're in that flow, and it felt natural, it felt delightful, it felt wonderful. Horses are magnificent, and of course, they have an enormous uh their heart and aura capacity is so big. But so I I felt very right in that, and that I've seen over the years as I've taken this path how that grounding, that foundation, good and bad, taught me so much, you know, about what I teach, about how that translates into your business, into your life, into living gold standard value. All of those things I would say, yeah, absolutely.

Anita Mattu 13:22

Wow. Gosh. That's amazing. And I'm really interested in so I know you talk about human design. Is this like human design?

SPEAKER_00 13:34

Yes, it is, yes.

Anita Mattu 13:36

Yeah, yeah. So what is human design and what is it not? Let's just unpack that for the list.

SPEAKER_00 13:44

I think the simplest way to understand human design is the framework. And a lot of us know things like Myers, Briggs, and things like that, where you've taken tests. It's not like that. It's not like that. So human design um actually was channelled through, I think it was in the 70s, 60s, 70s, and it is foundational on the Kabbalah, I Ching, as uh astrology, but also you know, your DNA. It's so it's got Eastern and Western, it's absolutely molded together, and it's thousands of years old, like it's based on things that are thousands of years old, and it's that perfect combination. And the funny thing was, human design started coming into my life only about I don't know, four years ago, maybe. But when I heard it, I was like, oh my god, I've been talking about this my entire life because it suddenly all made sense to me. And what for me it gave me liberation because so human design says that we are energetic types, and what it helps you to understand is that we have this energetic system that we know about chakras and things like that, but we are all totally and utterly unique, but we are part of types, and up until human design, it was the first time that I really was able to feel free in being who I am, because so 70% of humanity are generators and manifesting generators.

SPEAKER_02 15:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 15:16

Projectors, there's only 20% of us now, there were only eight percent when I was born.

Anita Mattu 15:22

Wow.

Translating Elite Focus To Life And Business

SPEAKER_00 15:23

And we have been described as as mutants of mutants of DNA, basically, and it's a different the way that I think the way that I'm aligned is different. We also have manifestors who are even more rare, and reflectors who are even more rare, like one in a thousand people are reflectors. Oh wow, and there are now more and more projectors, and projectors are literally, as it sounds like on the tin, we project, we project energy, and our job is to basically get very clean in our energy, so we project reality. And a lot of people have said that projectors manifesting is literally designed. Anything you hear talking about law of attraction and manifest, it's really designed for a projector because that's what we we we project uh reality. We hold the light, we are the lighthouses, we are the vision, and we can be deeply activating for someone who's not ready because we see to your soul. Uh, I I literally and I could never describe it from a kid. I remember seeing the Matrix. Like when the Matrix film came out, I was like, Well, that's what I see, but it doesn't look like numbers. It was energy. I could see energy, and I could see people going into dark, closed spaces and being light and the flow, and but I was like, it doesn't everybody see this? It was like, and I was astral traveling and I was doing things. My spiritual connection, which I now understand is because I have an open ash, I have an open crown, I have I'm literally like I'm just literally tapped in, turned onto the universe. That was the way that I was made. So I was already doing things that people talk about enlightenment, but my journey was to be a human being, and my whole thing is like, oh, I have to bring this down, do I have to bring this into being human for the 5D new earth, whatever you want to call it. So, but it doesn't mean anybody's right or wrong, it just means we all have these amazing skills and we are all perfectly designed for our success, and we've all been conditioned against the against it. So, as a generator, if someone's a generator, they generate their own energy. So many gens and generators generate energy, and many gens are like I always think they sort of drop poms, they like blow up energy, they create incredible new spaces, quantum fields, of new ways of doing things, and they usually do multiple things at one time, and they've usually been told off for doing multiple things at one time, but that's how they work, that's what they need to do, they need to have this expression because that's how they create new pathways for us to see innovation that you can't we need people like that. Generators are the builders of our society of creation, they they take an idea and then they build it and they make it happen, and they they are brilliant. We need them, they they stabilize the energy, but they're like trains, they must be satisfied and working and and solidifying, and uh and then you have manifestors and reflectors, and they're so rare, bless them, that uh you know it's it's hot, but that would be the majority of and if people want to find out their human design, they can go to jovianarchive.com. I'm sure you'll put the link in the bottom. But jovianarchive.com, and you can put in your date of birth, you can put in your you need your time of birth to have your human design, it's very specific. So, but when you do understand, it gives you, I think it gives you a a liberation, not just the the basis of knowing if you're a manigen or a generator or whatever. I am a 4-6 Flenick projector, and that means a 4-6 means my basically my life path is was trial and error, and that made total sense to me because I have tried so many things, and I have succeeded at a lot of things, but I've also failed at so many things, and I was testing in a multitude of fields about for me about the key thing of what success is. So I because I see things in a very big picture and a minutiae picture, I was able to go, yes, but well, that is all whether it's a relationship or whether it's a job or whether it's a career or whether it's your health, or all I saw was energy, just going, oh, well, this is success. This is where your success grows, and there is where it doesn't, which was is literally what I was trying to explain and understand when I was six, seven, eight. And I've spent my entire life trying to help other people understand that it's very simple. It's very, very simple when we take all the crap away. But I also fell down a lot of paths where I was trying to behave conditioned to be, like everybody does, a generator. And I was being told that yes, but you have to put it into this box and say it's about relationships. So I did that for a while, and it took all the energy out of it. And then they told me, you know, you've got to talk about it business. And although I worked with people from six to eight figures, both in companies, growing companies, being director, being managing director, being CEO, I've built four companies, but it took all the energy out because I was told to put it in a box and make it logical, which is what generators do. But we can't create and build through logic. We have to create through energy.

SPEAKER_02 21:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

We create everything through energy. Anything that exists in this world around us is energy first. So to me, nature made sense to me more than humans. But learning to be a human, learning to live as a human, learning to unlock what it means to be a projector has been liberating. But it's also given me permission in my wisdom of 50 years now, in a multitude of ways, getting a gold, getting gold stars and gold medals in a multitude of ways. Uh that wasn't my Olympics, has given me permission to go, ah, but I'm a guide. That's what I'm here to do. That's what a projector does. All projectors are simply a guide of humanity. And so we hold the vision. So we all have a purpose, and that excites me. Everybody's designed for success, and everybody has a purpose. Once you know that, how exciting! How exciting.

Human Design Explained Clearly

Anita Mattu 21:58

Absolutely. I can't agree with you more. And that's the thing. We're here for a purpose, and we do have a vision. We do have something we need to do. And like you said, trial and error. We've got to go through that to actually get to where we need to and like remove all the nonsense, all the noise of it all. Whatever word you want to put to it. Absolutely. So tell me more about your glitch patterns. What are they? Do you help women transform and re find yes?

Projectors, Generators, And Energy Use

SPEAKER_00 22:35

So the women I work with, and I have over my career worked with men, women, adults, children, young people, because as a whole journey, I work with full gamut to understand human beings. And what I've come to do over my journey, the simplest way to understand it is that if you imagine a mountain, okay, and I say in the Big Book of Love, which is my my first book, I talk about how some of us, you know, we ha most people want to start at naught and get to ten, get up the mountain. But the truth is, a lot of people started at minus eight, they weren't even at the mountain, they were in a huge ditch at the back somewhere, and they had to scramble out of this big ditch to get to the grounding part of the base camp of the mountain. And I was one of those. And and I would say the majority of people in these generations have been, you know, our generations, Generation X, and and the next couple of ones as well, I think. And prior to that, we're in the ditch. We were carrying ancestral stuff, we were carrying stuff in the war, we were carrying, you know, we we're changing. So I think there's first you've got to kind of give yourself permission of recognizing you've worked really hard to get out of the ditch to get to the start point. And that ditch is trauma and abuse and legacy and and ancestral DNA programming and things like that. They're not all bad, but they were the ditch. For us to have a new level playing field, it's like, right, I got I got there. And I think that's a lot of a misunderstanding in our societies that we think that, oh, getting out of the trauma gets me halfway up the mountain. It doesn't. It really doesn't. It gets you to the mountain, and and then you're starting. And then it's about the self-love. It's the loving, it's the acceptance, it's all of that awakening. The awakening process starts at the bottom of the mountain, and then you're in this process of enlightenment and self-ownership and sovereignty. It's all the same thing. It's been called a million things, but it's all the same thing. And it's this process of claiming your own energy, understanding who you are, loving yourself and accepting yourself, forgiving yourself. But again, people get mistaken of thinking that's just the journey, and that's that's all we are here for. And that's not that's not what you're here for. That literally takes you to halfway up the mountain. That's it. So when they think when a lot of women have only got to half of the mountain, they they are driven to be leaders, they have big callings, they have souls, they you know, and men too, but the women I work with, they they know they're they're here for their purpose. They've been pulled forward, they've done the deep work, they got themselves out of these shithole, you know, trenches they were in, and they got themselves and they work really hard to get out of toxic relationships and and stop repeating patterns that their mothers had taught them, and stop blaming other people, blaming and shaming and all of that. It's all the same thing about you reclaiming your energy. So now you've got to half of the mountain, and you know that you've maybe built your business or you've started to build a business and you've done it, but it's all come at a cost. A mid-mountain woman has been hustling her ass off, and she's worked really hard to get to mid-mountain, you know, and she but she knows she can now see, like she's at that midpoint, and she's like, but I I know I'm meant to be higher up. I'm sponsor I'm supposed to be, but is it gonna be like the same work? No, it's not, but she can never get past that halfway point because she's hitting glitch patterns. Glitches aren't trauma, glitches are repetitive patterns left in your body that you've used for survival. You've outgrown, and they're like day-old yogurt, you know, but they're programmed into your brain, they're programmed into your body, and so every time you hit an edge, a new thing, you're calling a desire, but you're saying, Well, here's my vision, and you're understanding a language, and you're like, Yeah, my soul gets it, and I'm, you know, I can I can feel this pull and I want to do this, and yet your behavior is doing something completely different because you can't see it. And what happens is people come to me when they've usually hired maybe four, five other coaches, they've done stuff and they've not been able to help them. They'll come to me when they've said, I've done all this work and I still can't get to the place where I want to get to. It's because they're so ready to release the glitch. But the glitch is so ingrained because it's a survival pattern. It's not trauma, it's survival, and it's it's dead and it's in their brain, it's in their body. And so they're playing out behavioral patterns, mental thinking that's stopping them from having the thing that they want, always. So they can't move from what I would call as being bronze level or silver level, they're never gonna get to their gold. And it's that gold might be financial, it might be success in their business, it might be success and freedom in their life without burning themselves out, and it might be that they're using their energy correctly, incorrectly. So, you know, this is where human design really steps in for someone who wants to refine and become precision-based, which is the shift of someone who's running a, for example, in business, running a business that runs all off them and they're driving it. Like they are the pardon me, sorry. For a generator, they might be the the fuel in the train, they're laying the tracks, they're trying to drive the train, they're doing everything. Yeah. And that can look for a woman that I mean, I remember on one of my one of the women who came into my world, she had seven jobs. She said to me, I realize I have seven jobs and I'm paid for one. Seven jobs because she's running a household, she's running the kids, she's doing all this, and she's in burnout. Now, the women I used to work with would be further down the mountain. At every stage as I have grown and I have accepted myself, I've helped women who are coming up behind me every time. And so when I worked as a psychotherapist, I worked in the ditch, and then I worked out of the ditch helping people in the ditch. I was working with that deep grief, pain, trauma, all of that. I don't do that anymore. I'm not a psychotherapist anymore. I did that. I helped women in, you know, horrific scenarios and men. When I got to the mountain, you know, the base of the mountain, and I started, it was in love, you know, self-love and all of that. I then my business grew and I took it online and I was helping women all over the world have healthy relationships with themselves. And I that's where the big book of love is. It was it's designed for women who are there who don't know what real love looks like. They don't know how to come out of a trauma pattern and into love. They don't know what spiritual love really looks like and feels like. And so the big book of love, loving yourself, dating with love, loving relationships, now on its second edition, came out, it's been around for like 10 years, and it came out. I did the second edition in 2020 because I wanted to talk about sex more and other key points. But it's designed to teach a woman them, it's the manual literally to understanding what healthy relationships are with your children, healthy relationships are with yourself, with with your divinity, source, god, divine, creator, architect, whatever you I love, love itself. How to have a loving relationship with a partner. I literally poured into my out into that 40 years and all of my experience and knowledge as a psychotherapist, everything that I'd learnt from my clients. I poured it into all those into those books and to help women at that level. And then I moved beyond it. So it was like, well, that's done. So that that's what it's done, and that's there for you. But once they're at this level, it's like, right, you are now a professional. This is the difference between being an amateur rider and being a professional rider of your energy. And the difference if you want to really make a you know, impact, make a movement, be be a visionary. It's in you and a leader in your life, whether that's whether that's in your, you know, I don't believe it has to be all online and we all have to be epic, you know. I don't believe that. I believe every woman who feels this is being called to make changes. And when I was a psych, you know, when I was a psychotherapist and when I was working with women online with my first business, when it was called Rediscover the Magic, uh, 70% of the women I work with all became healers, psychotherapists, trainers, and all went on and did it. Because that's what I am. I'm a teacher's teacher. And so now I work with those those people who've had enough of not being seen to their depth. And that's the difference. When I was training, you know, when I was training for the Olympics, and then I I I did exactly the same when I translated it to snowboarding and surfing and all of those things. When I was training for the Olympics, it was standard for me to have coaches all the time, but not any old coach, a coach who was Olympian level, yes, who was teaching me, going, there was no fluffiness in my coaching. Now, I don't believe the same quite as harsh, but they were vicious. Like, you know, you have to have a thick skin if you want to be at that level.

SPEAKER_02 32:23

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 32:23

Nowadays, I would say when I work with women at that level, though, are prepared and ready to go. Do you know what? I don't want fluff. I don't want you to, I'm not in trauma. I need you to tell me what the freaking problem is because I've had enough. And I I want my success. My desire is bigger than my fear. And that's the key bit, I think, about when you're working at that level now. It's not about the money, because I think there are so many women who are frequency-wise, should be at six, seven, eight figures. But they are standing in their own way that their energy is bigger, their desire is bigger, but they're not able to get beyond the glitch.

unknown 33:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:05

And that that's where they need that gold standard, Olympic standard. There needs to be a shift in their value. And and people are like that would would invest. You know, they invest, they go, enough, enough. I how much more am I gonna waste time, energy, money on the wrong thing? Um, and I think it comes down to risk. I always say this, you know, when I was riding, the risk was high. When I was surfing, the risk was high. When I was snowboarding, the risk is high. You know, the danger factor to my body has I've always thrown myself into things like that, and it focuses the mind. But I truly believe there is nothing of a higher risk than wasting your life, your time, your energy. This is it. This is it. You could be and I've said it to myself many times in my life, you could be dead next week. You know. I often think that I just you know, I have a real funny thing with my birthdays, you know, I'm not so much now, but it always used to be this pressure of like, well, come on, you've got I used to think I'd be dead by by the time I was 40. I had this programme in my body that I'd be dead by the time I was 40. But it did drive me on to go, this is it. Kick, you know, kick life out, kick going, do it, you know, grab it. You gotta live it, whatever that looks like, aligned with your own life brand. Not not somebody else's idea, not somebody else's, you know, push and shove and make it happen, but to live the fullness of your joy, your enjoyment, your expression, your divinity, your happiness, your love, you know, everything comes from that.

Anita Mattu 34:43

I can't agree more. And what you're saying is there is a lot of people that they don't want the fluff, and I can actually really visualize that and see myself in what you're saying as well. I'm gonna be on it. The trenches, you know, the mud, you know, we get to the bottom of the hill and then we're halfway up, and I'm thinking, okay, what's next? Come on then. You know, I don't want all this fluff. Yeah, come on. I did the work. I did the work. Exactly. So, yeah, tell me more about your persistent success method. Talk us through that, please, Joe.

From Ditch To Mountain: The Glitch Model

SPEAKER_00 35:15

Well, I think literally it's understanding because it's working with me. So the the way that I work with people, I have a very clear uh path, golden path now, because I've been working with people for 30 years in transformation. And over that time I created a lot of digital programs, I created books, etc. So, as I said, like I have my free stuff, which is glitches to gold, the podcast. Then I have the book, uh, I have two books, Big Book of Love, and I also have a book called The Life More Traveled, which I often call my toilet book. It's the kind of book you read on the toilet book. And it's it's from fear to adventure, and it's all the things I learned from traveling around the world. I've traveled around the world a lot. I am a big traveler, and so those kind of ways you can come into my world, and then have the masterclasses. I have like a I'm running at this moment a free masterclass for projectors only. I have a masterclass for generators and manifesting generators to hold their burn, to hold their power. And then so that's kind of like an easy way of people kind of get the insights, the knowledge. Um, the closer that you get to me, the more precise it gets. Because the more intense it gets, the more it's like, right, you're gonna get to see that. So I then have the legacy portal, and that is literally my entire legacy of digital programs that I have created over 30 years. And that could sound a lot, but it's not. I've refined it everything down to so my favorite program in there is called Money Love, and it's the one frequency of all, it's the resources, rich resources to your life, and it's now Money Love 4.0, and it has transformed lives, and it's like a 30-day program that literally guides you through shifting your frequency for money and love. That's you know, that's a really good example. That's inside the legacy program, and so the portal has these programs that are designed precisely on a subject, because if you're a generator or a manifesting generator, you're gonna say, Yes, but I want to learn about this thing. But fundamentally, everything inside of the legacy portal is about energy, and there are it's the energy around abundance, the energy around self, love and empowerment and sovereignty, um, the foundational keys. Wherever you are on that mountain, there is something for you inside of the legacy portal, including my Rich Sexium Free four-month program that literally used to be a 10,000 pound program, is inside that portal. The portal I have worked out is over a million pounds worth of programs inside this portal, and I have actually made it free for seven days to trial it, and then you you join as a subscription. So there's this like wealth of legacy, it's a bank, basically, a bank of insane transformational programs that have honestly changed lives. Not like an American way, change lives, it really has changed lives. There's a lot, a lot of testimonials there. So that gives a foundational base, and then when people want to get closer to truly seeing their individual glitch, that's when they work with me one-to-one. And I have uh the ways that my precision one-to-one, that's what it's called, and so you can work with me for six months, and so there is either telegram coaching which you add onto the legacy, or you work with me one-to-one, and that one-to-one work can be in person, it can be over Zoom, it can be Telegram, but it's literally precise, it's about what works for you and whether you're looking at your business, whether you're looking at your I I mean, I always look at someone as their whole life because that's how the energy. But if you came to me and you said, Joe, you know, I'm I'm I want to take my business to the next level, and I can't see why I'm, you know, as people have done, why am I not generating a million a year? Let me come and have a look. What would you pay somebody to be able to tell you why you are not getting that? Yeah. And that's what I do. That is the gold standard. That's what you would do, and exactly what I used to get when I was training, having an Olympic level coach come in and say to me, Joe, your legs are in the wrong place, and you're doing this when you're holding back, and blah, blah, blah. So that's what it means when it's about precise. The precision aspect is the fact I'm a projector, and my entire energy is about going, look, what I can see right into you, and you're doing this, and I can see right into your business. And this is where the energy is not flowing, and that's what it's about. The energy is not flowing, it's either flowing backwards, it's going around in circles, you know, you're creating conflict, so you're saying one thing or doing something else, and that energy can be mental, it can be behavioral, it can be spiritual, it can be conflicts around um, you might say it's around money, but it's not, it's never about money, it's about value, and it always comes down to value. So that's where it's that precise, and that's where the glitches and going, no, that's what needs to be resolved. It's not that I remove it, I get you to remove it. It's like you go, oh, oh god, I can't believe I've been doing that. It's like having someone, as you say, a mirror, an absolute mirror. And when you're finally ready up that part of the mountain, you've got comfortable enough in seeing yourself. What I say, intimacy into me, see. When you're ready to have intimacy with a coach, with a can, you know, somebody who really sees you, that's where I'm at, the apex level. Once you've got intimacy enough with yourself, then you don't mind being seen. And I know a lot of the people I work with hold back from visibility. Well, the world needs them so much, and yet they're afraid of. Being visible and the visibility is because they're they're afraid of the visibility on the inside. What's gonna happen of what I see mirrored back to me if I but the truth is the law of attraction doesn't change if you change it on the inside, you see something better on the outside. It's the only way it works. Yes, that's it. Literally, that's it. Fact done. Can't change anything else. So, but it's being okay with that. Am I allowed to have that level of success? That level, you know, that's what I mean about success. It's success in yourself. It's also, am I allowed to have the level of success I desire? You know, the money, the home, the love affair, the life, this visibility, whatever that success means for you. Am I allowed to have it? Well, there's no one holding your back. You're not a little girl anymore. So, you know, it's like And it's so true.

Anita Mattu 42:03

We hold ourselves back. And I mean, I know we're kind of like laughing about it, but it's so true. We hold ourselves back. There's no one else holding us back. Absolutely, and we all want it. We all I mean anybody that says they don't want a better, bigger life are just lying. Let's move on in.

SPEAKER_00 42:21

Well, I would say to you, you know, when I was when uh gosh, t 10 years ago, I used to often say, you know, oh why why do people always say, you know, they want a big house? And and I say, I don't want that. I was in a very spiritual phase at that point. And I remember maybe he's 15 years, but probably about 10, 12 years ago. And I I manifested a millionaire coach. Yes, a truly a millionaire coach. I manifested this coach and he gave me a free session. And he said to me, I have never met anybody with such profound money blocks, wealth blocks in my life. Now, you'll laugh because what I teach now, of course, is about wealth and success and all of that. But I went through a very spiritual stage, and it wasn't until I mean I've always been spiritual, but I went through a very angelic, ungrounded phase of, oh, I'm here to save the world. And very important phase. But in that journey, what I realized was because when I was riding, I, you know, I went to boarding school, and then when I was riding, a lot of the people I was training, you know, riding for and owners and stuff like that, I lived on stately homes. And I had a lot of friends who had stately homes. And the experience I have was they were just very cold. And growing up, a lot of my parents' friends were new money, but my school friends were old money, and I had this conflict around that money either meant hustle push 80s, and it's got to be flash cash, which I never wanted, or it meant old money, and I was cold and lonely in these stately homes. And I had friends who literally couldn't heat more than one room, but it was Downton Abbey, and um and so in my head, I was like, why would I want a big house? Because big houses equal loneliness, and for a projector, nothing is a bigger wound growing up than feeling isolated because no one understands you, and so it was like, well, if I can't fit in and I get these things and I knew I could have them because I've had things, I can manifest incredible things, but I was like, I don't want to be lonely, so I wouldn't let myself have them.

Anita Mattu 44:43

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 44:44

Amazing, isn't it?

Anita Mattu 44:46

Yeah, I can really see it though. I mean, how many of us actually do that though? Yeah, co-relate. I can still relate.

SPEAKER_00 44:53

Yeah, and then it always comes down to something that made total like logical sense. I held myself back for so many things of not wanting to hurt my parents or not wanting to hurt somebody else because I thought I had that power, but that power is a six-year-old child with magical thinking thinking you have the power to burn the house down when you have a tantrum. And once you know that logic, it's like, well, it makes sense logically, but I don't want to, you know, if I do this, I'm gonna kill my parents. But fundamentally, I would learn things like going, oh, if I do this, they'll get hurt. And I was like, Yeah, but what's really under that? Well, I'll be alone. And I didn't want to be alone. So it always comes down to that. But once you've got comfortable with that, once it's no longer the trauma, no longer from a survival, then you can start to shift to these little glitches that are just insanity, not right thinking in your energy, just insanity, that make you go, Oh, well, I don't need that anymore. I can put that down there. And then the energy flows. And it's like you're taking the handbrake off your car, and suddenly you're like, Oh, I'm driving my car without the handbrake on. It gets easier, so much easier.

Anita Mattu 46:09

Definitely.

SPEAKER_02 46:11

Yeah.

Anita Mattu 46:12

So what is one of the most important lessons you've learned over your life so so far? Because I I can't imagine what you're gonna say is I really can't.

SPEAKER_00 46:24

That it's safe to be me. That it's safe to be me. It's something I've had to practice over and over again. My body still has memories every time I go beyond my edge, but it's safe to be me. And I think that the liberation of the whole journey and the fact that the world has changed, you know. I grew I was born in 1975. It was a very different world. The collective was very different. And I think accepting that the world has changed, and I know there could be arguments, but there are there are so many different paradigms, and as you move, you move to a different paradigm. So things become different. I've changed, my paradigms have changed, my life experiences have changed, and with each level, I have learned the same lesson again. It is safe to be me.

Anita Mattu 47:14

Yeah.

Mid‑Mountain Burnout And Hidden Patterns

SPEAKER_00 47:15

And and the value of that I was created divinely, you know, we are all divine extensions, creations. We're a fucking miracle. We are a miracle, you know? Like how we exist, not just off our ancestors, but just like nature, it's all a freaking miracle. How do we end up here that out of those thousands of sperm that were happening? You know, it's it's a miracle we exist. So if I'm a miracle and you're a miracle, and I no longer have to justify my existence, then I might as well know the value of myself, loving myself. And then, well, one what next? What can I actually do with that? What amazing things can I get to contribute to this? And I truly I do believe the world is a you know, it's a hologram, it's a it's a game. We're in a so when to free yourself and go, huh, I'm not in this lie anymore. Well, what fun could I have now? You know? And I would say, in the greatest points of my life, when I've seen myself playing those games, and I've there were moments in my twenties, you know, when I finished my riding, I went through a very kind of like, oh well, fuck it. I'm that'd be fun. I'll do that. And I was very young, you know, I was in my 20s and I was sexy, and I, you know, I think I was having quite a lot of sex at that point as well, and I was feeling very alive, and I was just like, oh, that would be fun. And every time I said that would be fun, something incredible would turn up. And it just got bigger and more insane and more, you know, because I but I didn't have the grounding at that point. I didn't have like the solidity or the depth. It was just the front end. But I remember those times of going, yeah, but you can do that now. Now I know I'm stable on the inside. Now I know I'm here and I'm present. Now the engine is fully connected. What can I do now? Could I really fly? Could I really take off? Could I really what now? What would be really fun now? You know? And I think when you get to that stage, that's just yeah. Life becomes a big game.

Anita Mattu 49:12

I love it.

SPEAKER_00 49:13

I love it all.

Anita Mattu 49:16

Well, hopefully your audience loves it too. Absolutely, I'm sure they will. If there's one key takeaway you want every listener to walk away with today, what would that be?

SPEAKER_00 49:28

Never stop believing. Never stop believing. I've I have been at points of my life where I tried to commit suicide, I've been at the depths, I've been in hell. There are times when I wanted to get out, get off, I want to get me off the planet. Terrible, awful. But there was always part of me that wanted to keep believing. And if you've got yourself out of the trenches and you got yourself to the beginning of the mountain, and you got yourself to the third of the mountain, at any of those points, if you've managed to get yourself up that mountain to any point, keep believing that it gets to be better and better and better, that what is meant for you is truly meant for you, and had to have hope too. I think one of the hardest things is to continue to have hope once you've done all of that. Because it feels like, oh my god, I slogged it, I slogged it, it slogged it. But the truth is the better it gets, the better it gets, the easier it gets, the easier it gets. And the more that you align your energy, not just believing and having faith on nothing, but believing once you know the most about yourself, the most that you can know about your energy, how what works for you, the more that you can sit in observership of your life and see it just as a, you know, from a state of non-attachment as the Buddhists call it, but the more that you can do that, and the more that you can then go, oh, well, that works for me and that doesn't, it's just information. Then you get to believe and play and test with yourself of going, well, look, there's no point keep pouring energy into something that doesn't work. If I really love this thing and it lights me up, then believe in it 150%. Believe in it. Because what's really meant for you does come round again, again, again, again. I think that old adage, you know, what's meant for you will never pass you by. You will get a million chances to do the thing you are meant to do. So don't give up hope, believe.

Anita Mattu 51:25

That would be my that's brilliant, absolutely brilliant. So, where can the listeners find you online, your books, your podcasts, your website, Joe?

SPEAKER_00 51:35

Well, I think the best way I would highly say go and check out Glitches to Gold, uh, the podcast. You can find it everywhere, but you can always go to glitches to gold.com. Every link is there to my work, to my uh masterclasses, to the books, the freebies, anything you want to find out about me, the social media platforms I'm on, Facebook and Instagram, you can find all of that at glitches to gold.com. And I would say, you know, I know that my energy, my voice, all of those things are gonna match with some of you. So if you're still here, I love to hear from you. You know, if you're still here, I love to hear from you. Reach out, follow me, connect with me. And I know that if you want to come into a closer connection of intimacy, of being seen, of of of knowing more about my work, if it resonates with you, come in closer. Just go to glitches to gold.com. And if it doesn't, and if I repel you, that's good too, and I send you off with so much love because I'm not meant for you. That's the simplest way.

Anita Mattu 52:36

And all the links will be in the show notes, listeners. Please do connect. Thank you for sharing your insightful wisdom and knowledge with us today. And by doing so, I know you have helped so many others make a difference. I'd really like to acknowledge you for that, Joe Warrior.

SPEAKER_00 52:52

Thank you so much, Anita, that I really appreciate that. And I definitely say that as a projector, because recognition is my love language. Thank you so much for inviting me on and to your audience. You know, I really appreciate your time.

Anita Mattu 53:06

Oh, it's absolute pleasure. And with that said, we are all about create the courage to be fearless podcaster. What is your definition of courage?

SPEAKER_00 53:15

I know it's a quote, but I think it really is that courage isn't is doesn't happen without fear. It's in the face of fear. And it's uh it's the courage to stand tall, to lean in even when fear and I often think false evidence appearing real, usually is the case, but when it feels like it's like the desire is more that's courage. It's not about forcing it, but I think it's it's standing in the face of other people's thoughts, ideas, not fighting against them, but just standing like a candle in the wind for your for your belief, your truth, your knowing, your soul, your life. That to me is courage, yeah.