S4 EP175: Joel Shulkin, MD, Author of the Forensic Technothriller Heroic Measures

Hello My Happy People,

I am so thrilled to sharing with all of you today my incredible interview with award-winning author Joel Shulkin, MD. Not only is Joel a practicing physician, but he is also the author of engaging medical thrillers. 

There is nothing I love better than when actual professionals in the medical and criminal investigation fields write thrillers. You know you are going to get stories filled with accurate details that will give the story that extra something to really drive the story. 

Joel is a developmental-behavioral pediatrician and United States Air Force veteran with a master’s in public health and has used this background to enhance his amazing storytelling skills in his books including Adverse Effects and Toxic Effects, the first two novels in the Memory Thieves series. He has also penned award-winning short stories and poetry with more books already scheduled for 2026.  

Today we chat about his recent book Heroic Measures, a forensic technothriller in his new Death Benefits series. Joel lives in Florida with his wife, two daughters, and two dogs.

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    "Dianne": " Hello my happy people, today is June 18th, 2025 and of course we have got another fantastic"
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    "Dianne": " things that I have been working on behind the scenes for book bench productions"
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    "Diannet": " I tell you, I always know it's going to be a really good show"
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    "Dianne": " whenever I'm doing the edits and listening"
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    "Dianne": " That is definitely the show that we have for you today. I"
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    "Dianne": " Just absolutely love medical thrillers. I mean I have a degree in forensic criminology"
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    "Dianne": " I love stories about police"
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    "Dianne": " investigations. So whenever you get a chance to read a medical thriller that is actually written"
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    "Dianne": " by a medical professional and you know is going to get the terminology right and the kind of"
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    "Dianne": " tests that you need for things right, I just love that. So whenever you are looking for a really good medical thriller to read, I highly recommend"
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    "Dianne": " my guest today."
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    "timestamp": [109.92, 115.92],
    "Dianne": " Please welcome to Book Banter with Dianne Burckhardt, Doctor, Joel Shulkin."
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  {
    "timestamp": [115.92, 119.88],
    "Dianne": " Please tell our listeners who you are and what you do."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [119.88, 121.72],
    "Joel": " I am Joel Shulkin."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [121.72, 126.52],
    "Joel": " I'm a developmental behavioral pediatrician, so still in practice,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [126.52, 129.6],
    "Joel": " and also author of medical thrillers."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [129.6, 131.72],
    "Joel": " So in my spare time,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [131.72, 134.16],
    "Joel": " usually you have around 4:30 in the morning,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [134.16, 136.44],
    "Joel": " and I work on my writing."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [136.44, 140.56],
    "Joel": " And so I have three published medical thrillers already,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [140.56, 143.6],
    "Joel": " and a fourth one is coming out in five days."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [143.6, 148.2],
    "Dianne": " - That's one thing that just absolutely fascinates me with doctors who are still"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [148.24, 152.44],
    "Dianne": " in their medical practice, but they start publishing as well."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [152.52, 156.4],
    "Dianne": " And your publishing schedule is very impressive."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [156.4, 158.64],
    "Dianne": " How on earth do you balance those two?"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [160.28, 166.88],
    "Joel": " Well, when I read Stephen King's on writing book, one of the things that he said is that"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [167.2, 171.14],
    "Joel": " you know if you just go for a goal of even writing 500 words a day in"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [172.32, 175.38],
    "Joel": " Six months you've got you can have a hundred thousand word"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [175.96, 178.44],
    "Joel": " novel written so it's not quite that for me"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [178.44, 184.48],
    "Joel": " But because usually it's around 80,000, but I do try to make a goal of writing about 500 words per day and"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [184.46, 185.12],
    "Joel": " But I do try to make a goal of writing about 500 words per day and"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [187.56, 194.34],
    "Joel": " Especially during the pandemic that worked out really well So I get up at 4:30 in the morning before the rest of my family gets up and before I'm getting ready for work and"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [194.96, 198.48],
    "Joel": " While I'm having breakfast I just sit down and I try to write as much as I can"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [199.16, 203.6],
    "Joel": " Shooting for that 500 work goal now lately because of"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [204.4, 206.16],
    "Joel": " Publishing and promotion I haven't been"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [206.16, 212.24],
    "Joel": " able to get as much writing done as I would like, but I still count editing and"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [213.2, 217.6],
    "Joel": " writing short stories and other things that complement the books. I still consider that part of"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [217.6, 225.04],
    "Joel": " the writing process. 

    "Dianne": " Now do you actually enjoy doing the marketing part or are you like almost every other author"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [225.04, 226.52],
    "Dianne": " that it's become"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [226.52, 228.92],
    "Dianne": " The bane of the existence of authors."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [228.92, 232],
    "Dianne": " It's what you do just so that you can keep being a writer."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [232, 235.56],
    "Joel": " Yeah, it's not really my favorite thing."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [235.56, 241.44],
    "Joel": " But it's one of those necessities that even with my first two books where I had a publisher"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [241.44, 245.68],
    "Joel": " in the beginning, I assume that they would be doing all the marketing and the advertising"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [246.4, 252.08],
    "Joel": " and it turned out not to be the case. So I was kind of left especially with the pandemic striking"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [252.08, 258.08],
    "text": " right before my first book released. There wasn't a lot that was being done. And so by the second"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [258.08, 266.24],
    "Joel": " book I really learned, okay, I have to do more with that marketing and learn what to do. And then by the third book where I was"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [266.24, 272.24],
    "Joel": " self-publishing, I really have to do everything. So I've gone to like it a little bit more,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [272.24, 278.48],
    "Joel": " like I definitely enjoyed doing podcasts and doing book readings and events and signings and"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [278.48, 284.24],
    "Joel": " things like that. And I do like some of the design, like I'm design my own graphics and ads,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [285.64, 292.56],
    "Joel": " And I do like some of the design, like I'm design my own graphics and ads, but it's just the whole having to keep push the book and talk about the book, promoting the book."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [292.56, 294.08],
    "Joel": " That kind of gets to me."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [294.08, 296.52],
    "Joel": " It's not my favorite part."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [296.52, 301.92],
    "Dianne": " The one thing that was really amazed about and some of the information that you sent me was"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [301.92, 306.4],
    "Dianne": " that you actually had a great mentor when you decided to become an author."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [306.4, 308.8],
    "Joel": " That's true, very good one."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [308.8, 314.4],
    "Joel": " When I had just gone out of the military during my service for my health profession scholarship"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [314.4, 319.76],
    "Joel": " and just coming back from Germany, I had a year before fellowship where I was living in"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [319.76, 321.48],
    "Joel": " Boston."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [321.48, 324.4],
    "Joel": " And during that time, I started getting into writing."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [324.4, 326],
    "Joel": " Just before I started fellowship,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [326, 330],
    "Joel": " I attended a medical society meeting of the Massachusetts Medical Society"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [330, 333],
    "Joel": " and it just happened to be that Michael Palmer,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [333, 336],
    "Joel": " one of the legendary medical thriller authors"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [336, 338],
    "Joel": " who was also a Massachusetts resident,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [338, 342],
    "Joel": " was there in talking about his journey and experience"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [342, 344],
    "Joel": " with writing medical thrillers."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [344, 346],
    "Joel": " So I ended up attending his talk"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [346, 348.24],
    "Joel": " and then talking to him afterwards and telling him,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [348.24, 352.44],
    "Joel": " hey, I had just won a contest for medical fiction."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [352.44, 354.48],
    "Joel": " It was just a short story that I'd written"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [354.48, 356.64],
    "Joel": " and that I was thinking about writing a book."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [356.64, 360.16],
    "Joel": " He immediately offered to give me any guidance,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [360.16, 362.88],
    "Joel": " to give me a list of agents, to query."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [362.88, 365.36],
    "Joel": " And so we kind of talked back and forth on email and he"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [365.36, 372.4],
    "Joel": " became a really good mentor and supporter. And unfortunately, when he died, that was a big loss for me"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [372.4, 379.44],
    "Joel": " as many people. But the positive side, I've become very good friends with his son Daniel or DJ Palmer."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [379.44, 386.6],
    "Joel": " So whenever I run to him and conferences, we always, and he actually wrote a blurb for my first book"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [386.6, 388.44],
    "Joel": " when it was published."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [388.44, 390.08],
    "Dianne": " - That's incredible."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [390.08, 393.72],
    "Joel": " - And that's a nice thing is that most authors,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [393.72, 396.56],
    "Joel": " I think, no matter how well published they are"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [396.56, 397.84],
    "Joel": " and no matter how new they are,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [397.84, 399.56],
    "Joel": " they wanna support each other."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [399.56, 401.08],
    "Joel": " We have a lot of readers think"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [401.08, 402.48],
    "Joel": " that we're competing with each other"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [402.48, 403.48],
    "Joel": " and we're not."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [403.48, 409.36],
    "Joel": " Most of us wanna help each other and we all remember what we went through trying to get where we are now."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [409.64, 413.56],
    "Joel": " So I've had Tess Gerritson who's answering my questions."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [413.92, 415.16],
    "Joel": " I've gone through conferences."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [415.16, 420.88],
    "Joel": " I've met a lot of great authors who have written blubbed for my books and some who become really good friends of mine."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [421.24, 422.68],
    "Joel": " So it's a really great network."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [423.48, 424.2],
    "Dianne": " Oh, definitely."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [424.2, 427.76],
    "Dianne": " I mean, just the authors that I have met through doing this podcast have been"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [427.76, 431.84],
    "Dianne": " absolutely wonderful people. There's some of them, many of them actually, and even their"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [431.84, 438.4],
    "Dianne": " publicists that we've all become friends. 

    "Joel": " Yeah. Yeah. And especially when we're in the medical field"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [438.4, 442.8],
    "Joel": " and writing medical fiction, then I think that just brings us even closer together."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [443.28, 447],
    "Dianne": " Well, yeah, you can identify with each other so much."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [447, 448],
    "Joel": " Right."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [448, 454.28],
    "Dianne": " And I have to say, Michael Palmer must have given you some fantastic advice because your"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [454.28, 460.28],
    "Dianne": " publication schedule is actually very impressive because your first book, Adverse Effects,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [460.28, 462.12],
    "Dianne": " came out in 2020."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [462.12, 467.04],
    "Dianne": " And then your second book, Toxic Effects, came out in 2020. And then your second book, Toxic Effects, came out in 2022. And that tends"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [467.04, 472.64],
    "Dianne": " to be about average for people when they're starting out, about every two years. And then your third"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [472.64, 479.6],
    "Dianne": " book, Heroic Measures, came out last year in 2024. But then it seems like you decided to step things"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [479.6, 486.48],
    "Dianne": " up just a bit. 

    "Joel": " I did. And part of that was because, again, during the pandemic, I had a little bit more time."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [486.48, 491.48],
    "Joel": " So I ended up writing four books during that time period."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [491.48, 494.92],
    "Joel": " And I had those four books in some format,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [494.92, 498.56],
    "Joel": " some read some stage of readiness for publication."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [498.56, 500.6],
    "Joel": " And so I decided by weight to get them out,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [500.6, 502.64],
    "Joel": " I may as well just try to push them out."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [502.64, 506.44],
    "Joel": " One thing I did learn though was I was keeping"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [506.44, 508.8],
    "Joel": " to kind of a fall publishing schedule"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [508.8, 512.04],
    "Joel": " because that was what my publisher had set out."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [512.04, 514.92],
    "Joel": " You know, the first book came out in September of 2020"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [514.92, 516.44],
    "Joel": " and then it was September of 2022."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [516.44, 521.04],
    "Joel": " So I just put her up measures for September 2024."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [521.04, 523.6],
    "Joel": " The problem is when her measures came out,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [523.6, 528],
    "Joel": " I had two big events planned,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [528, 530.48],
    "Joel": " Sleuth Fest and Orlando Reads Books"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [530.48, 532.84],
    "Joel": " is opportunities to really promote the book"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [532.84, 535.44],
    "Joel": " as well as a couple of podcasts."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [535.44, 538.04],
    "Joel": " Then we had back to back hurricanes."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [538.04, 538.88],
    "Dianne": " - No, 

    "Joel": " yeah."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [538.88, 541.44],
    "Joel": " - Worst hurricanes that we've ever seen in the state."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [541.44, 543.96],
    "Joel": " And so every one of those events got canceled."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [543.96, 545.36],
    "Joel": " And so what I learned from that is don't want a new book in Florida in the state. And so every one of those events got canceled. And so what I learned"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [545.36, 552.8],
    "Joel": " from that is don't want a new book in Florida in the fall. Yeah. So that was actually"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [552.8, 556.72],
    "Joel": " the real reason why I decided, you know what, let me push spontaneous permission to"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [556.72, 562.56],
    "Joel": " may because then there's not a lot going on weather-wise here then. I think there's not"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [562.56, 567.88],
    "Joel": " a lot of other competition for other events, but there were some good events like"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [568.04, 572.2],
    "Joel": " Sleuth Fest Best actually got pushed to next week when it was rescheduled."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [572.2, 575.16],
    "Joel": " So I've got this great opportunity to promote the book then, and we've had"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [575.16, 577],
    "Joel": " a couple of local book videos as well."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [577.44, 581.8],
    "Dianne": " But even with Book Four coming out just a year after, you've also got your"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [581.8, 584.04],
    "Dianne": " work in progress right now, Pele's Curse."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [584.2, 584.64],
    "Joel": " Yes."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [584.84, 586.72],
    "Dianne": " And then next year, you have two books your work in progress right now, Pele's Curse. Yes. And then next year,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [586.72, 591.12],
    "Dianne": " you have two books already slated to come out perfect strangers and extraordinary measures."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [591.12, 595.56],
    "Joel": "  Oh, I have to change with these. I don't necessarily have those"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [595.56, 601.48],
    "Joel": " plan to come up next year yet. 
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [601.48, 610.08],
    "Joel": " the only one that I'm probably going to release next year will be Pele's Curse. 

    "Dianne": " but just the fact that you have gone from becoming a published"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [610.08, 616.16],
    "Dianne": " author to having a very good collection of work already available and almost"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [616.16, 621.44],
    "Dianne": " doubling it within the next two years. That's incredible. 

    "Joel": " Well, thank you. It's one of"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [621.44, 625.36],
    "Joel": " the things I've learned too, especially as an indie author, but"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [632.56, 632.88],
    "Joel": " having a back list definitely helps. Oh, yeah. Because when I went to these two book fairs,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [637.28, 641.92],
    "Joel": " the first book fair that was in Tarpen Springs, I think I only had her art measures and a couple copies of my first two books. And most of the people"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [641.92, 649.92],
    "Joel": " bought her art measures, but at this last book fest that I went to at Oxford Exchange a couple of weeks ago, I had one copy of every book."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [650.56, 656.72],
    "Joel": " And so it was really interesting to see what caught different readers eyes. Some were drawn to"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [658.4, 667.12],
    "Joel": " the cover of Spontaneous Remission, showing a woman who on one side is affected by this skin condition and then it's healing."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [667.84, 672.24],
    "Joel": " Others really liked the military theme of the heroic measures and then to my surprise,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [672.24, 678.88],
    "Joel": " there were some who were immediately drawn to the older books and wanted to buy the series."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [678.88, 684.08],
    "Joel": " There was one group of four who bought one of each book as a group."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [684.8, 688.64],
    "Dianne": " That has to feel just absolutely amazing whenever you see people coming up and being so"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [688.64, 692.08],
    "Dianne": " fascinated for different reasons in everything that you're doing."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [692.8, 697.92],
    "Joel": " Right. And I think that's that's one thing that does set me apart from some other authors. You know,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [697.92, 704],
    "Joel": " there's some well-known ones who some readers have called them a little bit formulaic. Their books"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [704, 705.96],
    "Joel": " tend to have similar things,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [705.96, 708.24],
    "Joel": " similar kind of predictable routines,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [708.24, 710.56],
    "Joel": " but you know, they're still, the readers love it"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [710.56, 712.08],
    "Joel": " because they know what to expect."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [712.08, 714.2],
    "Joel": " Do they know what to expect from those characters"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [714.2, 716.48],
    "Joel": " or if you're reading like a long series like Bosch,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [716.48, 717.88],
    "Joel": " you know what he's gonna do, right?"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [717.88, 720.6],
    "Joel": " So whereas with my books,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [720.6, 722.36],
    "Joel": " each one's a little different."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [722.36, 728],
    "Joel": "  And I'm pulling from experiences like each book is set in a place where I've lived,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [728, 731],
    "Joel": "  at least for a short period of time."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [731, 736],
    "Joel": " And they do draw on my medical experiences and some other lived experiences,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [736, 741],
    "Joel": " but they're totally different stories, and often with totally different themes."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [741, 745.44],
    "Dianne": " I know in some of the bio information that you have available,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [745.44, 750.24],
    "Dianne": " it lists you as a plantser that you can have and have."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [750.24, 753.6],
    "Dianne": " Do you find that your process is changing"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [753.6, 756.16],
    "Dianne": " as you go through more books?"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [756.16, 757],
    "Joel": " - Absolutely."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [757, 759.04],
    "Joel": " So when I started out with a pure planer,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [759.04, 761.16],
    "Joel": " when I started writing Adverse Effects,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [761.16, 763],
    "Joel": " all I have was the idea."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [763, 767],
    "Joel": " And I just set out and at that point I was on this platform called"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [767, 777],
    "Joel": " Sorry I can't remember what it was but it was like this thing where you can post a work like a short story or chapter by chapter"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [777, 780],
    "Joel": " " You get feedback on it. So I literally was posting"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [780, 806.4],
    "Joel": " Adverse Effects chapter by chapter on this one chapter a day and writing it as I was going and kind of getting feedback along the way Ab book or when and they kept telling me to wait on writing it until we saw how the first"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [806.4, 811.12],
    "Joel": " book did. So then all of a sudden they said, okay, write it. And I realized I should have"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [811.12, 815.84],
    "Joel": " been at least developing an outline or draft before that, because I had to scramble to try"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [815.84, 822.28],
    "Joel": "  to write it. And the first draft that I got and I thought it looked good. I had a couple"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [822.28, 826.96],
    "Joel": " of my fellow authors read over to send it to the editor who just"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [826.96, 833.2],
    "Joel": " were back and said this sucks. That was basically the essence of what his response was."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [834.16, 840.8],
    "Joel": " So I went and wrote again and tried again and the same thing happened, the sucks."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [841.6, 846.48],
    "Joel": " So by the third time then I finally got it right, but I realized this"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [846.48, 851.04],
    "Joel": " pantsing isn't working out for me. So by the time I started working on these"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [851.04, 856.92],
    "Joel": " other books I developed a system of at least writing the synopsis first, which"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [856.92, 860.36],
    "Joel": " is usually the bane of author's existence. Oh yeah. You're trying to write the"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [860.36, 867.12],
    "Joel": " synopsis later, but I found by writing it first and kind of figuring it out as I was doing that."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [867.12, 873.04],
    "Joel": "  How is the story going to go? What's the point? Not only made it to make it easier to refine the synopsis"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [873.04, 880.48],
    "Joel": "  later, but it gave me some guidance as to where the book's going to go. Now with my next books,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [880.48, 889.04],
    "Joel": " I'm working on Extraordinary Measures and Perfect Strangers. I've actually gone to the point where I write out it's not a full chapter by chapter outline but it's at least"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [889.04, 895.76],
    "Joel": " an outline with at least a full-up point for each chapter of how do I want this to go. Now end up as"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [895.76, 899.76],
    "text": " they start writing and I might realize this isn't going the right direction and then I step back"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [899.76, 906],
    "Joel": " and redo the outline which is why I call it more of a planter because I'm not stuck to that rigid"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [906, 911.84],
    "Joel": " outline, but at least there's a plan in place and that has allowed me to write a lot faster."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [911.84, 918],
    "Dianne": " How do you develop your characters? Whenever you're coming up with somebody, do you have a person"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [918, 924.24],
    "text": " in mind that you kind of mold to what you want for that character, or is it something that's just"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [924.24, 929.48],
    "text": " completely your own imagination? I would say sometimes there's a little bit, I mean heroic"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [929.48, 933.92],
    "text": " measures that definitely were characters that I was modeling after because the whole"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [933.92, 939.8],
    "text": " book is based off of comic books so you know each character Steve is a little bit"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [939.8, 946.36],
    "text": " of a mixture of Captain America and Peter Parker and his partner,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [946.36, 949],
    "text": " he's modeled after the Falcon."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [949, 951.84],
    "text": " So in there, I have an idea of,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [951.84, 956.12],
    "text": " okay, I want each character to reflect another comic book character."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [956.12, 959.76],
    "text": " Obviously, Donald Ross is a Thunderbolt Ross."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [959.76, 961.04],
    "text": " So there's that."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [961.04, 963.72],
    "text": " But was Fontainez's permission,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [963.72, 965.88],
    "text": " there was a little bit more fluidized"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [965.88, 970.84],
    "text": " had an idea of what I wanted the characters to do and I worked before even wrote the outline."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [970.84, 976.08],
    "text": " I really worked on all the characteristics of each character. Now in average effects,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [976.08, 981.04],
    "text": " again most of the characters were kind of my imagination but I will say that"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [981.04, 988.08],
    "text": " Christina was based at least a little bit on my wife because the concept was"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [988.08, 994.16],
    "text": " that she's Brazilian and my wife is from Brazil and even though my wife is not a doctor or psychiatrist,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [994.16, 998.72],
    "text": " she was the inspiration for the story. She helped me come up with the idea. So I wanted,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [998.72, 1002.48],
    "text": " when I was thinking of Christina's character, I was really thinking of how would my wife"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1002.48, 1007.28],
    "text": " act in this situation? How would she respond and And that kind of helped me to flesh her out."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1007.28, 1010.08],
    "text": " What did she think about being the inspiration for that character?"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1010.08, 1011.64],
    "text": " Oh, she loved it."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1011.64, 1017.44],
    "text": " Now, here you already had a good career going as a pediatrician."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1017.44, 1021.08],
    "text": " What on earth made you want to start trying to write books?"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1021.08, 1022.8],
    "text": " I really had put writing aside."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1022.8, 1025.76],
    "text": " I used to love writing when I was in high school and even college."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1025.76, 1028.2],
    "text": " I took creative writing courses."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1028.2, 1032.52],
    "text": " I had an eighth grade teacher who was sure I was going to be a playwright."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1032.52, 1034.08],
    "text": " - Nice."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1034.08, 1036.4],
    "text": " - So I was always interested in it."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1036.4, 1040.5],
    "text": " And in fact, I had a short story that I wrote in high school for an advancing"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1040.5, 1044.6],
    "text": " English class that I didn't think was that good."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1044.6, 1045.76],
    "text": " I thought it was kind of all over the"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1045.76, 1051.28],
    "text": " place, and my teacher thought it was one of the best things that she'd ever read. So I end up"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1051.28, 1057.6],
    "text": " rewriting that recently, like in the last few years and got it published in short story America"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1058.4, 1066.4],
    "text": " in kind of a revised form. So it's always been something that I wanted to do. When I left the military after"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1066.4, 1071.76],
    "text": " being stationed in Europe and traveling around, it was actually when I was in Denmark visiting"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1071.76, 1078.8],
    "text": " the castle there and learned about the sleeping giants. For listeners it's these statues"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1078.8, 1083.6],
    "text": " that legend says that the statues would wake up when the country was in danger. And so I had"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1083.6, 1085.44],
    "text": " this idea for like a children's book"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1085.44, 1086.64],
    "text": " based on the sleeping giants."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1086.64, 1090.64],
    "text": " And I even went and made like a mock-up of it and everything."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1090.64, 1094.36],
    "text": " I enjoyed it so much that I started writing some short stories."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1094.36, 1097.36],
    "text": " And then I found this contest for medical fiction."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1097.36, 1099],
    "text": " I said, well, let me try writing this."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1099, 1102.04],
    "text": " And I wrote a short story about a doctor"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1102.04, 1111.04],
    "text": " who is interviewing a patient, who is fluidly bipolar and manic and then it"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1111.04, 1115.52],
    "text": " kind of leads into more of what's happened, you know, there's more going on to this, the story"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1115.52, 1120.88],
    "text": " than you realize. And then winning first prize in this contest. So that really gave me this"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1120.88, 1126.56],
    "text": " inspiration. Okay, maybe there is a future for me in doing this. And then I just came up with these ideas."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1126.56, 1129.16],
    "text": " It was actually when I was in fellowship"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1129.16, 1132.52],
    "text": " and it was after my wife and I got married"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1132.52, 1134.68],
    "text": " and she moved here to the United States"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1134.68, 1136],
    "text": " when I was looking at the Boston."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1136, 1137.24],
    "text": " When I was in fellowship,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1137.24, 1142.24],
    "text": " I would take the bus or the train to and from work every day."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1142.52, 1147.2],
    "text": " So it happened to be that on one particularly snowy winter day,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1148.24, 1153.04],
    "text": " there was nobody else on the bus. I got on, I was completely empty, I was really happy,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1153.04, 1157.84],
    "text": " because I meant I could just go pick my own seat and just read and kind of tune everything out."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1158.56, 1163.28],
    "text": " Two stops later, the bus stopped, and this man gets on, and he's all bundled up."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1167.2, 1170.72],
    "text": " the bus stopped and this man gets on and he's all bundled up and with an entirely empty bus to choose from, he goes and sits directly behind me."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1172.4, 1178.32],
    "text": " That's creepy. It was right. I mean, I was kind of uncomfortable. And I started thinking,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1178.32, 1184],
    "text": " my mind started turning and thinking, well, what if I was a woman? How creepy would that feel?"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1182.36, 1184.76],
    "text": " and thinking, well, what if I was a woman? How creepy would that feel?"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1184.76, 1188],
    "text": " And what if he were to lean forward and say something"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1188, 1192.08],
    "text": " like, I know who you are, who you really are?"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1192.08, 1194.2],
    "text": " And I got home and I told my wife about it"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1194.2, 1196.72],
    "text": " and started just going from there"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1196.72, 1198.08],
    "text": " and she kinda asked some questions"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1198.08, 1201.32],
    "text": " and then the idea for, first effects"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1201.32, 1203.6],
    "text": " was just born right in that moment."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1203.6, 1205.88],
    "text": " - That's an incredible story."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1205.88, 1208.28],
    "text": " How long did it take you to actually finish that book"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1208.28, 1210.84],
    "text": " after you got that inspiration?"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1210.84, 1213.8],
    "text": " - Running Shopify Chapter It only took about"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1213.8, 1216.56],
    "text": " four or five months to write the first draft."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1216.56, 1218.2],
    "text": " - Wow, that's really good."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1218.2, 1223.2],
    "text": " - Yeah, but keep in mind that was in 2008."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1233.36, 1238.72],
    "text": " that was in 2008. So it took another 10 years before I found an agent for it. Yeah, that can take a long time. Doesn't matter how good it is. You have to find the agent that wants it. Right, and"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1238.72, 1247.72],
    "text": " took a lot of revisions and changes. I changed entire characters and scenes. But then I felt like it was where it needed to be."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1247.72, 1253.76],
    "text": " Now I know that you are a developmental behavioral pediatrician."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1253.76, 1259.76],
    "text": " How much of your actual experience and work do you bring into your books?"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1259.76, 1262.24],
    "text": " Well, if I want to do rap right now, very little."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1262.24, 1265.48],
    "text": " There's not a lot that's thrilling about being a developmental"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1265.48, 1269.4],
    "text": " behavior of nutrition because all clinic working with kids"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1269.4, 1272.4],
    "text": " who are autistic, with learning disabilities,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1272.4, 1276.68],
    "text": " to fail non disorders, it's not like watching ER"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1276.68, 1278.68],
    "text": " where somebody comes in with a gun, fortunately."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1278.68, 1280.04],
    "text": " Like we don't really have that."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1280.04, 1283],
    "text": " So it's not really anything that would apply"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1283, 1285.36],
    "text": " to a medical thriller."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1285.36, 1291.6],
    "text": " Most of what I pull on instead is kind of tangential or peripheral to what I do."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1291.6, 1295.2],
    "text": " So in adverse effects, she's a psychiatrist."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1295.2, 1302.24],
    "text": " And I don't deal directly with memory, but I do have patients who have some memory issues."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1302.24, 1305.04],
    "text": " And so it's been an area of interest for me and I always"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1305.04, 1313.84],
    "text": " loved movies like Total Recall and Jason Bourne or About Memory. So it wasn't a huge step to go"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1313.84, 1320.72],
    "text": " from what I do to what Christine Silva does. Now in her arc measures, I'm far removed from a medical"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1320.72, 1326],
    "text": " examiner that you can get. You know, the last time I've actually worked on it could ever was a medical examiner that you can get, you know, the last time I've actually worked on it, could ever was a medical school,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1326, 1330.08],
    "text": " but at least it was something that I could draw"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1330.08, 1332.64],
    "text": " on my military experience because I was stationed"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1332.64, 1335.44],
    "text": " at Bittburg in Chbankdollum,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1335.44, 1338.24],
    "text": " it's only about an hour northwest of ranch dying"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1338.24, 1339.84],
    "text": " when the book is set."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1339.84, 1342.64],
    "text": " So I was able to draw on that, my understanding"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1342.64, 1345.6],
    "text": " of how the military works, and when it came to,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1345.6, 1349.52],
    "text": " well, what does a medical examiner do and what would they do in this situation?"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1349.52, 1353.68],
    "text": " That was just a matter of talking to some colleagues that I knew, including Craig Malach,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1353.68, 1360.32],
    "text": " who used to be the chief medical examiner for the Armed Forces medical examiner service."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1360.32, 1369],
    "text": " So even as a doctor, I often have to rely on my colleagues and associates to really know what I don't already know."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1369, 1374],
    "text": " Spontini's remission is the book that's getting ready to come out here in a few days."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1374, 1379],
    "text": " And I was hoping that you might give us a little read of something from this book."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1379, 1380],
    "text": " Certainly."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1380, 1386.4],
    "text": " Spontini's remission is about a woman who is dying of complications"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1386.4, 1392.48],
    "text": " of end-stage scleroderma, which is an autoimmune condition that causes sclerosis of the skin,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1392.48, 1396.76],
    "text": " but can also in the systemic form can affect their organs as well."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1396.76, 1399.68],
    "text": " And so she's dying of kidney failure to do it."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1399.68, 1405.48],
    "text": " And then, miraculously, she goes in her mission and not just you know full remission but"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1405.48, 1410.56],
    "text": " she's healthier than she's ever been in her entire life but as her body is"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1410.56, 1416.08],
    "text": " changing she's losing her identity she's changing both inside and out and no one"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1416.08, 1422.72],
    "text": " can figure out why and at the same time there is a hired killer who is trying"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1422.72, 1428.8],
    "text": " to find this prototype penaceaia that he's tracked down"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1428.8, 1432.92],
    "text": " to Clearwater, Florida, which is where the woman lives."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1432.92, 1438.48],
    "text": " So the question is, is this the greatest discovery that's ever been found in medicine or"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1438.48, 1440.04],
    "text": " is it the greatest threat?"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1440.04, 1442.28],
    "text": " Gives me kills."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1442.28, 1446.2],
    "text": " So I will jump into the reading."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1446.2, 1448.64],
    "text": " This is from the very first chapter."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1448.64, 1450.68],
    "text": " Jacksonville, Florida."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1450.68, 1454],
    "text": " No one dies from being caught out in the rain anymore."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1454, 1457.88],
    "text": " Unless, of course, there's a killer on your tail."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1457.88, 1462.56],
    "text": " That thought lurked in the mind of biomedical researchers Jean-New Tang, as he doubted from"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1462.56, 1466.3],
    "text": " on and on and appearing through the curtain of rain from each safe harbor"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1466.3, 1468.6],
    "text": " for signs of being followed."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1468.6, 1471],
    "text": " His heart pounded as he stood under the overhang"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1471, 1473.56],
    "text": " of the University Medical Library."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1473.56, 1476.28],
    "text": " Meeting his friend for lunch, instead of getting away"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1476.28, 1479.12],
    "text": " as fast as possible, had been a risk,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1479.12, 1482.24],
    "text": " potentially a fatal one, not only for him,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1482.24, 1484.32],
    "text": " but for her as well."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1484.32, 1486.4],
    "text": " Yet that had most likely been the last time"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1486.4, 1492.56],
    "text": " they would meet. He'd seen her medical records. She only had a few weeks left to live."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1492.56, 1497.68],
    "text": " And if he didn't get away fast, he'd have much less time than that. The parking lot was"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1497.68, 1503.08],
    "text": " barely visible through the thick sheets of rain. Lightning lit up the sky, silhouetting"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1503.08, 1505.76],
    "text": " the trees in the courtyard, followed by a deafening"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1505.76, 1507.26],
    "text": " boom."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1507.26, 1511.48],
    "text": " Johnny flattened himself against the library's outer wall, a sane man would wait for"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1511.48, 1516.64],
    "text": " the storm to abate, but desperation had vanished his sanity."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1516.64, 1521.56],
    "text": " Dragging as much of his lab coat over his head as possible, he dashed onto the sidewalk."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1521.56, 1523.76],
    "text": " Lightning crackled down from the heavens."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1523.76, 1528.12],
    "text": " Startled, Johnny sidesteped, and his foot sank into a puddle."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1528.12, 1531.52],
    "text": " He lost his balance his thunder echoed around him."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1531.52, 1534.6],
    "text": " Franktically, he weighed his arms, but to no avail."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1534.6, 1537.8],
    "text": " He toppled over and tumbled onto the sidewalk."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1537.8, 1539.84],
    "text": " Gravel bit into his arm."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1539.84, 1543.28],
    "text": " He held back a screen and struggled to his knees."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1543.28, 1547.16],
    "text": " Muddy water seeped through his pants, dragging him downward."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1547.16, 1550.68],
    "text": " He fought to stay upright and raised his wounded arm."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1550.68, 1555.44],
    "text": " Blood streamed from a gash below his wrist, draining into the puddle."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1555.44, 1559.52],
    "text": " Clamping his other hand over the wound, John you forced himself to stand and staggered"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1559.52, 1561.04],
    "text": " through the rain."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1561.04, 1568.32],
    "text": " When he reached the edge of the parking lot, he fumbled through his pockets. Heat drained from his cheeks. His car keys weren't there."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1568.32, 1572.72],
    "text": " Rain soaked his lab coat as he scrambled to think of when he last had them."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1572.72, 1577.6],
    "text": " The lab, of course. When the alarm on his phone sounded,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1577.6, 1581.84],
    "text": " reminding him of his lunch date, he'd been so desperate that he must have forgotten to"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1581.84, 1587.88],
    "text": " grab the keys from his desk drawer. He could see his bowl-vocedon in the middle of the parking lot."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1587.88, 1591.48],
    "text": " Maybe he could smash in a window and hotwire the car."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1591.48, 1596.04],
    "text": " Sparks have hope and excitement ignited at the idea, but just as quickly he snuff them"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1596.04, 1597.2],
    "text": " out."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1597.2, 1602.96],
    "text": " For all his experience with biotechnology, he was clueless when it came to engines."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1602.96, 1606.8],
    "text": " Rather than start the car, he had more likely electrocute himself."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1606.8, 1611.32],
    "text": " He had no other choice but to return to the biomedical research building."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1611.32, 1615.76],
    "text": " Water sloshed in his shoes as he stumbled down the hallway ten minutes later."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1615.76, 1619.88],
    "text": " When he reached his lab, he groped under his coat until he found his badge and swiped"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1619.88, 1621.64],
    "text": " it in the card reader."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1621.64, 1625.68],
    "text": " A click heralded the door unlocking, then he pushed his way inside and kicked"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1625.68, 1630.72],
    "text": " the door shut before pausing to take stop at the room. The trash bag stuffed with shredded"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1630.72, 1637.52],
    "text": " paper remained on the floor where he left it, next to the smashed hard drives. Skurring to his desk,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1637.52, 1643.04],
    "text": " he tried to ignore the heavy pounding of his heart. All he needed was to grab his keys,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1643.04, 1645.36],
    "text": " then he could drive far away from there as quickly"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1645.36, 1648.84],
    "text": " as possible before anyone knew he was gone."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1648.84, 1652.28],
    "text": " He'd had to get in touch with Misty of course, and she could help him find somewhere"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1652.28, 1656.04],
    "text": " safe, but that could wait until he was on the road."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1656.04, 1658.44],
    "text": " He threw open the drawer."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1658.44, 1660.32],
    "text": " Johnny's heart stopped."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1660.32, 1662.56],
    "text": " The drawer was empty."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1662.56, 1666.4],
    "text": " Thunder crashed and the lights blinched out. The hairs on Johnny's arms"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1666.4, 1672.32],
    "text": " prickled as he scanned the darkness. The emergency lights clicked on, casting an eerie red glow."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1673.44, 1679.36],
    "text": " A light jingle sounded behind him. As he turned his head toward the sound, strong hands gripped"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1679.36, 1685.68],
    "text": " his shoulders and bent him in half. His temple cracked against the edge of the desk. White hot light flooded his"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1685.68, 1691.28],
    "text": " field of vision. Fighting against the pain, John New York just head backward. His assailant"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1691.28, 1695.68],
    "text": " chuckled and ran an elbow into Johny's back, making his breath release and whoosh."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1696.96, 1700.56],
    "text": " One of the hands grabbed him by the chin and wrenched his head to the side,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1700.56, 1705.36],
    "text": " before jamming his face into the desk. Something sliced the flesh of his cheek"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1705.36, 1712.2],
    "text": " and he screamed. A dark figure moved into view, holding up a small object. The red light"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1712.2, 1719.8],
    "text": " glinted off it, Jeanie's car key, blood dripped from its tip. Looking for this? The man's"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1719.8, 1725.68],
    "text": " voice was guttural, as it forced through his one pipe. \"Give me what I want, and I'll hand it back."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1726.32, 1728.96],
    "text": " Resist, and I'll ram it into the back of your hand.\""
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1730, 1735.12],
    "text": " \"Please,\" John you managed to say between his teeth as a man continued to breast his cheek"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1735.12, 1748.12],
    "text": " against the desk. Fear froze his bones. \"My wads and my back pocket. Take it. Please don't hurt me anymore.\" The man scoffed. \"Don't play dumb. You know what I'm after.\""
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1748.12, 1750.16],
    "text": " \"No, I don't.\""
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1750.16, 1755.24],
    "text": " John you've knew full well, but he allowed his voice to wave her, praying he sounded convincing."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1755.24, 1759.4],
    "text": " \"I don't know he want. Please, let me go.\""
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1759.4, 1771.28],
    "text": " The man grabbed John his wrist and slammed it onto the desk. Before Johnny could pull away, the key plunged into the back of his hand. Pain burned up his arm and he howled. \"Let's try this again.\""
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1772.08, 1776.72],
    "text": " The man pressed Johnny's face harder against the desk and positioned the key over his eye."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1777.52, 1787.8],
    "text": " \"Where is the prototype?\" That is amazing! And I have to say whenever you're doing podcasts, any"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1787.8, 1792.52],
    "text": " opportunity that you have to read, you should do it because whenever you started"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1792.52, 1797.8],
    "text": " doing the voices, it actually took me by surprise and it was just absolutely"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1797.8, 1802.88],
    "text": " amazing. You're really good at this. Well, thank you. Where are your books"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1802.88, 1805.36],
    "text": " available for purchase?"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1805.36, 1806.36],
    "text": " Almost everywhere."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1806.36, 1808.52],
    "text": " They're available in Barnes & Noble."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1808.52, 1813.76],
    "text": " They're on Amazon BookShop.org, which I highly recommend because you can buy through your"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1813.76, 1815.68],
    "text": " local bookshop that way."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1815.68, 1821.36],
    "text": " The previous books are all available also in Kobo."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1821.36, 1827.68],
    "text": " Pro-Och Measures is on Audible and through other audiobooks.com and some others,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1827.68, 1833.52],
    "text": " I narrated, I wrote measures myself and I did the whole audiobook myself, so that is available"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1833.52, 1834.6],
    "text": " as well."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1834.6, 1841.28],
    "text": " Spontaneous remission, I just this week made the decision to enroll it in Kindle Unlimited,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1841.28, 1847],
    "text": " so the only way you can find the ebook will be through Kindle, at least for the first three months."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1847, 1851],
    "text": " But that way, if you do have Kindle Unlimited, then you have access to it that way."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1851, 1858],
    "text": " I'm holding off on doing the audiobook for now, but I was because so many of the characters are female."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1858, 1862],
    "text": " I was thinking of trying to get a female narrator, but I'll have to see."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1862, 1865.28],
    "text": " I'm thinking of maybe doing a second launch which will be"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1865.28, 1871.76],
    "text": " more to the audiobook a little later on. You had mentioned earlier that heroic measures was based on"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1871.76, 1879.76],
    "text": " comic book heroes. Yes. What is your favorite comic book? Growing up it was a tie between"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1879.76, 1885.4],
    "text": " Spider-Man and the Incredible Hulk, which is why there's a lot of references to both in her work measures"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1885.64, 1891.56],
    "text": " But as it got older and especially when the movies came out I really became a big fan of Captain America"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1892.2, 1897.22],
    "text": " And both the Captain Americans that we have right now. I think represent what we want America to be"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1897.22, 1901.76],
    "text": " You know and not holding to one specific ideology"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1902.28, 1904.28],
    "text": " but rather"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1904.28, 1908.48],
    "text": " Thinking about how can we support each other as a society."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1908.48, 1914.96],
    "text": " And so that whole super soldier concept always resonate with me."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1914.96, 1918.56],
    "text": " And so that was why I sat down with her measures."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1918.56, 1928.64],
    "text": " Once I got the original concept of, well, what would happen if you were a medical examiner and the deaf person in front"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1928.64, 1931.68],
    "text": " of you woke up in the middle of the autopsy."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1931.68, 1936.28],
    "text": " Once I had that point, I knew I really wanted to make this more of like a super soldier"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1936.28, 1939.88],
    "text": " project retold with a dark twist."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1939.88, 1942.08],
    "text": " That's differently a dark twist."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1942.08, 1943.08],
    "text": " Yes."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1943.08, 1945],
    "text": " Making it in the middle of your own autopsy."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1945, 1946],
    "text": " Yeah."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1946, 1953],
    "text": " And so I made a point of trying to make the characters again reflect the comic book characters,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1953, 1958],
    "text": " but also bring in some of the concepts that we often see in complex, like what is heroism."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1958, 1969.54],
    "text": " So there's a lot of references, a lot of Easter eggs in there. One thing that readers may not know is that almost all the characters"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1969.54, 1978],
    "text": " are named after either a writer or an illustrator of Captain America comics."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1978, 1984],
    "text": " Oh, nice. I love that. Yeah. I've been a comic book fan since I was a kid. When I was"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1984, 1987.36],
    "text": " in fifth grade, I started getting a subscription to Thor."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1987.36, 1988.36],
    "text": " Oh, yeah."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1988.36, 1989.36],
    "text": " Yep."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1989.36, 1991.76],
    "text": " That was one of my favorite ones growing up."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1991.76, 1992.76],
    "text": " Yeah."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1992.76, 1998.6],
    "text": " I liked some of the ones especially when Thor was sometimes trapped in the body of the"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [1998.6, 2002.16],
    "text": " human and of a mortal and had to recover."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2002.16, 2005.04],
    "text": " I was always big into the gods when I was younger."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2005.04, 2010.32],
    "text": " And in fact, the other thing that I started writing before I wrote the medical thrillers"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2011.04, 2018.64],
    "text": " when I got back from Germany was I was writing a book series about gods from all the different"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2018.64, 2026],
    "text": " pantheons that were living as normal people in the village of New York City."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2026, 2030],
    "text": " I like that idea. You need to do that one someday."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2030, 2035],
    "text": " I'm still working on it because the first book is that someone is killing the gods of the underworld,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2035, 2039],
    "text": " and there's caught this bird and to try to figure out who it is."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2039, 2046],
    "text": " So I do have it, I started rewriting it, and at some point I probably will try to redo it. That is definitely when I went have it. I started rewriting it. And at some point, I probably will try to redo it."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2046.72, 2048.4],
    "text": " That is definitely one I would want to read."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2049.28, 2053.68],
    "text": " So now seems like a good time to do our five quick questions that never turn out to be quick,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2053.68, 2057.2],
    "text": " but I'm too nosy to stop doing it. Okay. Are you ready?"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2058.16, 2063.04],
    "text": " Yes. Is that the first one? No, they're not that easy."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2064.72, 2069.48],
    "text": " Question one, do you have any phobias?"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2069.48, 2070.4],
    "text": " Nothing just serious."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2070.4, 2074.72],
    "text": " I would say a little bit of a fear of hornet some wasps."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2074.72, 2079.64],
    "text": " And that's only because when I was a kid at one point,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2079.64, 2082.48],
    "text": " I was visiting a neighbor and not realizing"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2082.48, 2086.22],
    "text": " that there was a wasp nest under the railing and my"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2086.22, 2089.64],
    "text": " as I was holding the railing a bunch of them just flew out and"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2089.64, 2095.58],
    "text": " stung me and chased me home. So I can put a fear in you. Yeah, so I actually"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2095.58, 2099.44],
    "text": " would have nightmares about them sometimes but and it's and it's hard to"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2099.44, 2103.44],
    "text": " think that just I've always been a nature lover loving all animals and"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2103.44, 2107.2],
    "text": " even insects. I don't go out of my way to kill them."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2107.2, 2111.6],
    "text": " Even if there's a wasp in the house, I usually try to catch it with a glass and kind of"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2111.6, 2112.76],
    "text": " take it out that way."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2112.76, 2118.12],
    "text": " But if I had to pick that's the one that I doesn't make me sit very easily."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2118.12, 2119.12],
    "text": " I can understand that."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2119.12, 2120.56],
    "text": " That's a reasonable one."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2120.56, 2121.56],
    "text": " Yes."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2121.56, 2128.4],
    "text": " Say for me, I am horrifically claustrophobic and I do not find that out until my first MRI."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2129.2, 2136.16],
    "text": " Oh, yes. I have a little bit of claustrophobia as well. It used to be worse. I think I've gotten"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2136.16, 2140.48],
    "text": " better with it, but I certainly it's not I wouldn't go out of my way to try to be in a tight space."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2140.48, 2149],
    "text": " That's actually why I couldn't be a surgeon because just wrapped up in all the the mask and gown and everything for a long period of time. It was just too much for me."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2149, 2151],
    "text": " Yeah, I know."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2151, 2160],
    "text": " Question two, assuming that you and your wife still go in a date night. What is your favorite thing to do?"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2160, 2166.92],
    "text": " Oh my gosh, when the last time we had a date night is usually right now, it's"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2166.92, 2170.92],
    "text": " usually a matter of what we have time to do because it may only be an hour or two. And"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2170.92, 2175.4],
    "text": " what is nice, I think is when like a couple times we have been able to go to like a party"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2175.4, 2181.16],
    "text": " where there's, you know, there's other adults. Yeah, all day party or something. And that's"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2181.16, 2188.6],
    "text": " nice where we get to just my whole time. Well, I really would like would be when we have time to go dancing together. Because that's when we used to do a lot"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2188.6, 2191.84],
    "text": " when we were younger. That's actually when the first things we did when we met was go"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2191.84, 2195.72],
    "text": " dancing. So that would be, I think that would probably the best one."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2195.72, 2205.2],
    "text": " I'd like that answer. Now question three, if you could relive one moment in your life? What would it be?"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2207.32, 2210.2],
    "text": " - Ooh, that's hard, 'cause I do, I've had a lot of good moments."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2211.44, 2216.44],
    "text": " I think one that was probably a bit,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2216.84, 2219.36],
    "text": " I mean, besides the obvious, like, you know,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2219.36, 2222.28],
    "text": " have our wedding again, you know, our child,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2222.28, 2225],
    "text": " you know, our twins,, all those would be great."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2225.28, 2228.18],
    "text": " But one experience that was really good"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2228.18, 2231.8],
    "text": " was when I was in college"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2231.8, 2234.76],
    "text": " and I was in charge of voter registration"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2234.76, 2236.68],
    "text": " for our student government,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2236.68, 2238.56],
    "text": " not knowing that at the time,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2238.56, 2240.58],
    "text": " the state of New Hampshire had laws"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2240.58, 2243.64],
    "text": " requiring birth certificate or passport"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2243.64, 2246.88],
    "text": " in order to register to vote, which most students"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2246.88, 2252.48],
    "text": " don't carry with them when they go off to college. And it was even worse in our town because they"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2252.48, 2257.44],
    "text": " required registration during school hours, during times that most students couldn't get there,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2257.44, 2263.04],
    "text": " and had to go on person. And the law of it was designed to keep students from voting. And they were"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2263.04, 2271.88],
    "text": " very clear about that. They didn't want students voting in their town elections because they would do crazy things like vote to use town funds to build a"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2272.08, 2276],
    "text": " One-mile high by one inch by one inch statues"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2276.56, 2281.16],
    "text": " So they had a reason for it, but but in my state of mind, it really didn't make sense"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2281.16, 2283.16],
    "text": " and so I end up contacting"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2283.68, 2286.48],
    "text": " off the back of an REM CD, the group"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2286.48, 2293.44],
    "text": " rocked the vote and they got right in touch with me. They came out to do this big statewide campaign,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2294.08, 2300.48],
    "text": " put me in my friend and charge of it, brought out Sarah Jessica Parker, Billy Baldwin, Henry"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2300.48, 2308.8],
    "text": " Wallins, MTV Raps and in them to be news and we did this whole thing. That in itself was such a great experience."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2308.8, 2317.36],
    "text": " But then after that, they called and chose me to go and represent them at the Bill signing for the motorboat at the White House."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2317.36, 2318.4],
    "text": " Wow."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2318.4, 2322.8],
    "text": " Which meant that I got introduced by Al Gore and then introduced Bill Clinton."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2323.6, 2324.88],
    "text": " That's cool."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2324.88, 2325],
    "text": " Yeah. by Al Gore and then introduced Bill Clinton. That's cool."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2325, 2326],
    "text": " Yeah."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2326, 2332.32],
    "text": " And the fact that it happened off of something that most people just take for granted, you"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2332.32, 2334],
    "text": " actually took action."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2334, 2335],
    "text": " Right."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2335, 2336],
    "text": " Yeah."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2336, 2340],
    "text": " So that's why, you know, with all this talk about the Save Act and some others, you know,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2340, 2341.88],
    "text": " I've still been vocal about that."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2341.88, 2345.3],
    "text": " Like, no, that's not, we worked hard to get this changed."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2345.3, 2348.48],
    "text": " Voting is both a right and a responsibility."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2348.48, 2350.28],
    "text": " It shouldn't be a privilege."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2350.28, 2352.16],
    "text": " - Right, that's very cool."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2353.24, 2356.52],
    "text": " - Yeah, that's definitely a once in a lifetime experience."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2356.52, 2359.24],
    "text": " - I can see why that would be a good one to relive to."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2360.2, 2363.32],
    "text": " Question four, I know you have twin daughters."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2363.32, 2367.6],
    "text": " What is one piece of advice that you would give them for their life?"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2369.04, 2374.16],
    "text": " Oh my gosh. I think, you know, we tell them a lot of things. The biggest one that we tell them is"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2374.96, 2381.92],
    "text": " to be themselves, especially for twins because it's easy for twins to try to compare to each other"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2382.64, 2387.92],
    "text": " or to try to copy one of the other. And there's different"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2387.92, 2392.96],
    "text": " disc of B even though they're best friends. And so we really try to emphasize with them"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2392.96, 2398.64],
    "text": " that it's okay to have different interests. It's okay to be different and to pursue your own"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2398.64, 2403.28],
    "text": " dreams not to let anybody tell you what you can and can't do with your life."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2404.08, 2405.76],
    "text": " Are they identical?"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2405.76, 2407.24],
    "text": " - They're not, they're fraternal."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2407.24, 2411.32],
    "text": " One looks just like me, the other looks just like her mom,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2411.32, 2413.56],
    "text": " but they have lots of personalities."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2413.56, 2417.4],
    "text": " - We actually have twin girls too, and they're fraternal."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2417.4, 2420.04],
    "text": " And they look nothing alike."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2420.04, 2421.2],
    "text": " (laughing)"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2421.2, 2424.08],
    "text": " And they're polar opposites."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2424.08, 2427],
    "text": " - Right, well, and my wife has dark skin."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2427, 2430],
    "text": " I'm very pale. And so you can imagine, you know,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2430, 2432],
    "text": " how different they look for me to learn."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2432, 2434],
    "text": " Now for question five,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2434, 2436],
    "text": " I've been asking everybody the same thing"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2436, 2440],
    "text": " because I'm building a list that we're going to print in our year in book buying guide."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2440, 2445.8],
    "text": " What is the one author when somebody asks you for a book recommendation?"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2445.8, 2448],
    "text": " Who's the first author that you go to?"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2448, 2456],
    "text": " Well, typically I usually recommend test Gertson because I think even though Michael Palmer"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2456, 2460],
    "text": " I would also recommend and strongly recommend that love his books."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2460, 2465.84],
    "text": " The very first medical thriller that I read and just found love with was test Garrett's and Harvest."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2465.84, 2469.16],
    "text": " And I think it's just like a flawless medical thriller."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2469.16, 2473.28],
    "text": " And it's also, dear, my heart because I work a lot with international adoptees and of"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2473.28, 2479.12],
    "text": " course it's about international adoptees who are being sold and harvested for their organs."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2479.12, 2485],
    "text": " So it's a really creepy book, but it's just really, really well done."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2485.36, 2487.52],
    "text": " - Well, and there's been a lot of discussion,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2487.52, 2491.24],
    "text": " at least on this podcast this year, about adoption,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2491.24, 2493.96],
    "text": " and especially international adoptions."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2493.96, 2494.8],
    "text": " - Okay."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2494.8, 2495.96],
    "text": " - It's been quite a topic."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2495.96, 2498.24],
    "text": " So that book recommendation goes right along"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2498.24, 2500.8],
    "text": " with a lot of stuff that we've done this year."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2500.8, 2504.04],
    "text": " - Well, international adoptions had fallen off for a while,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2504.04, 2505.44],
    "text": " but over the last year or two,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2505.44, 2511.6],
    "text": " I've been getting calls at least one or two a month for pre-dodging consult. So it's definitely"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2511.6, 2517.76],
    "text": " a lot more happening in. Now let's go ahead and remind everybody one more time who you are and what"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2517.76, 2523.68],
    "text": " you do. So I'm Joel Shulkin and the Developmental Be able to be a nutrition and author of medical"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2523.68, 2525],
    "text": " thrillers."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2525, 2529],
    "text": " And we will have all of your information for your social media and your"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2529, 2532],
    "text": " bilings for your books in the description of today's podcast."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2532, 2536],
    "text": " And of course on our website at burkarpbooks.com/podcast."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2536, 2540],
    "text": " And you will also be in the year in book buying guide that comes out for"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2540, 2542],
    "text": " holiday shopping."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2542, 2547.2],
    "text": " Thank you so much for doing this. I know you have got to be incredibly busy."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2547.2, 2551.48],
    "text": " So the fact that you were able to take an hour with me is just unbelievable. Thank you so"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2551.48, 2557.48],
    "Dianne: " much. 

    "Joel: " My pleasure. 

    "Dianne: " So there you have it. Folks, my incredible interview with the amazing"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2557.48, 2562.4],
    "Dianne: " Dr. Joel Shulkin. Now I want to point out in this interview we're talking about how his"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2562.4, 2569.64],
    "Dianne: " next book will be coming out in the future, but it is already out so you can go to his website or check it out on Amazon"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2569.64, 2571.6],
    "Dianne: " and buy it right now."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2571.6, 2575.96],
    "Dianne: " And of course the book that I am talking about is spontaneous remission."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2575.96, 2582.48],
    "Dianne: " It already has 28 reviews on Amazon.com and has a solid 4-point rating."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2582.48, 2586.04],
    "Dianne: " Don't forget this one was a 2023 Claymore Award"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2586.04, 2592.24],
    "Dianne: " Finalist. And it is already sitting in the top 200 in medical thriller books,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2592.24, 2597.56],
    "Dianne: " medical thrillers in the Kindle store, and conspiracy thriller books. It's"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2597.56, 2601.76],
    "Dianne: " getting some good ratings, so obviously a lot of people think that his writing"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2601.76, 2607.48],
    "Dianne: " is fantastic. So why not go give it a try and while you're there, don't forget to follow him on Amazon"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2607.48, 2611.76],
    "Dianne: "  that you'll always know when another one of his books has come out."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2611.76, 2616.84],
    "Dianne: " Now next week I have another very special guest that I was looking forward to to talk to"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2616.84, 2617.84],
    "Dianne: " him about this."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2617.84, 2622.28],
    "Dianne: " I'm going to be talking to Robert O'Connor and we're going to be discussing his book,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2622.28, 2625],
    "Dianne: "  "Jeep Show, a Trouper at the Battle of the Bulge,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2625, 2631],
    "Dianne: " and trooper has spelled T-R-O-U-P-E-R, and when you know about the story, you'll understand why it has spelled that way."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2631, 2636],
    "Dianne: " It is all about the Jeep shows that they would do in World War II in the front lines"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2636, 2643],
    "Dianne: " to keep the morale up for the forces who were basically the first ones on all of the fighting lines."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2643, 2648.92],
    "Dianne: " A lot of this follows along with the Battle of the Bulge, which took place here in Europe."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2648.92, 2654.08],
    "Dianne: " And actually, a couple weeks ago, my husband and I went and did a tour of the Battle of"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2654.08, 2656.24],
    "Dianne: " the Bulge battlefields."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2656.24, 2658.28],
    "Dianne: " And we listened to this book while we were doing it."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2658.28, 2664.96],
    "Dianne: " It was absolutely amazing to have that kind of context with what we were seeing in history,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2664.96, 2666.72],
    "Dianne: " museums around the area."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2666.72, 2668.52],
    "Dianne: " It was absolutely fabulous."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2668.52, 2673.36],
    "Dianne: " And the information that he has in this book, even though it is fiction, is based on real"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2673.36, 2675.84],
    "Dianne: " people and real events."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2675.84, 2677.24],
    "Dianne: " It is absolutely fascinating."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2677.24, 2681.44],
    "Dianne: " And if you are a World War Two buff, you definitely want to come back next week and hear"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2681.44, 2682.76],
    "Dianne: "  all about this."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2682.76, 2691.52],
    "Dianne: " So be sure to come back on Wednesday and join myself and Robert O'Connor as we talk about Jeep Show. Now onto all of the book banter"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2691.52, 2697.12],
    "Dianne: " productions and record books information that I have. Oh my gosh, I've got so much stuff planning."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2697.12, 2704.96],
    "Dianne: " I have to admit I finally broke down and tried using an AI program. I went to chat GPT"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2703.16, 2709.8],
    "Dianne: " and tried using an AI program. I went to chat GPT and I don't like the idea of using it to write anything for me"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2709.8, 2714.36],
    "Dianne: " or create images for me because of all the copyright infringement problems that have been"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2714.36, 2721],
    "Dianne: "  discussed and are still being worked out so that nobody ever has their copyright infringement."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2721, 2726.16],
    "Dianne: " But as far as an organizational tool and creating daily plans and"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2726.16, 2732.08],
    "Dianne: " schedules for me, oh my god, it is helping me get organized so much. I have been"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2732.08, 2735.68],
    "Dianne: " able to create outlines for different projects that I've been working on for"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2735.68, 2740.8],
    "Dianne: " years, figuring out what I need to do when and how to get it all done. So I'm"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2740.8, 2746.12],
    "Dianne: " trying to implement all these ideas that I have had since I started this podcast."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2746.12, 2752.56],
    "Dianne: " We are getting all of the magazines ready for print that I have had out on digital format."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2752.56, 2757.32],
    "Dianne: " We're going to be making them available for print on demand on Amazon and I know I've"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2757.32, 2762.8],
    "Dianne: " been working on this for quite a while, but the chat program which I have named Nova."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2762.8, 2766],
    "Dianne: " Actually, the chat program gave me that name,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2766, 2768],
    "Dianne: " which is interesting."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2768, 2771.92],
    "Dianne: " But Nova, my digital personal assistant here,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2771.92, 2774.36],
    "Dianne: " has given me an outline for how to get it all done"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2774.36, 2776.86],
    "Dianne: " and it has made it so much of an easier process"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2776.86, 2779.32],
    "Dianne: " for me to do now, myself."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2779.32, 2781.1],
    "Dianne: " And I've been trying to figure out"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2781.1, 2784.36],
    "Dianne: " how to create an app where we could not only integrate"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2784.36, 2788.94],
    "Dianne: " the books for everybody that I have interviewed since I started this four years ago,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2788.94, 2793.54],
    "Dianne: "  but to keep going forward and be able to put all of these authors in one place so that"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2793.54, 2797.62],
    "Dianne: " people can just download an app and be able to go and find everybody that we've talked"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2797.62, 2802.22],
    "Dianne: " to and just click and buy straight from the app."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2802.22, 2805.22],
    "Dianne: " And we're working on putting the outline for that together. We're"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2805.22, 2809.84],
    "Dianne: " also working on creating an outline for a master class that I've been"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2809.84, 2814.64],
    "Dianne: " wanting to do. So many authors that I speak to get so lost in the marketing and"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2814.64, 2819.44],
    "Dianne: "  they have no idea how to reach out to people for doing podcasts or getting"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2819.44, 2823],
    "Dianne: " interviews and newspapers or magazines or whatever. They don't know how to"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2823, 2829.92],
    "Dianne: " create a one sheet or do a press release or how to create a media package or even how to give a good interview"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2829.92, 2830.92],
    "Dianne: " sometimes."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2830.92, 2834.36],
    "Dianne: " People are so nervous, they don't know what to expect, they don't know what to do, and"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2834.36, 2836.6],
    "Dianne: "  I want to create a class to help."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2836.6, 2840.96],
    "Dianne: "  India authors are even traditionally published authors because many of them have no support"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2840.96, 2842.92],
    "Dianne: "  in this area either."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2842.92, 2845.68],
    "Dianne: " But to be able to break down things simply and easily,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2845.68, 2847.4],
    "Dianne: " so it takes a lot of the stress out."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2847.4, 2849.72],
    "Dianne: " And I want to create this master class"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2849.72, 2852.08],
    "Dianne: " so that people can just go there,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2852.08, 2854.32],
    "text": " find the class, learn how to write"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2854.32, 2857.36],
    "text": " a very simple, effective press release,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2857.36, 2859.56],
    "Dianne: " how to create their media package"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2859.56, 2863.8],
    "Dianne: " that will be helpful and give them good promotions."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2863.8, 2865.82],
    "Dianne: " Because you would not believe how many"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2865.82, 2870.44],
    "Dianne: " people who are trying to get publicity do not have good publicity photos. It"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2870.44, 2875.56],
    "Dianne: " makes it very hard to publicize you if you don't have a good media package. And"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2875.56, 2880.64],
    "Dianne: " I do want to stress you do not need professional photos but you do need"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2880.64, 2885],
    "Dianne: " clear, clean, well lit, in focus photos."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2885.76, 2887.8],
    "Dianne: "  It makes all the difference."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2887.8, 2890.48],
    "Dianne: " It's all about image and presentation"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2890.48, 2893.2],
    "Dianne: "  and we're working on helping you figure that all out."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2893.2, 2895.72],
    "Dianne: " So hopefully here by the end of the year,"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2895.72, 2898.12],
    "Dianne: " we're gonna have a lot of great things coming out."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2898.12, 2900.76],
    "Dianne: " So why not go to burkheartbooks.com"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2900.76, 2902.68],
    "Dianne: "  and sign up for our mailing list"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2902.68, 2904.56],
    "Dianne: " because all of this stuff is gonna be rolled out"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2904.56, 2910.08],
    "Dianne: " in beta form to our mailing list followers so that they can try it out first and help"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2910.08, 2912.64],
    "text": " us work out the bugs, make sure everything works."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2912.64, 2918],
    "Dianne: " So you'll get free access to all of these things which may end up being monetized later."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2918, 2922.26],
    "Dianne: " So go to burquartbooks.com and sign up for our mailing list and you'll be able to follow"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2922.26, 2925.68],
    "Dianne: " along as all of this stuff starts rolling out."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2925.68, 2928.72],
    "Dianne: " Oh my god, okay, this is definitely enough for today."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2928.72, 2930.12],
    "Dianne: " I really need to get back to work."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2930.12, 2931.92],
    "Dianne: " I've got so much stuff to do."
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2931.92, 2937.2],
    "Dianne: " Plus I still have to write my books and I have just outlined two series for romance"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2937.2, 2943.24],
    "Dianne: " books that we want to publicize for DS Stephens who is the romance author on our website"
  },
  {
    "timestamp": [2951.9, null],
    "Dianne: " Now you know what time it is folks. It's time for you to go forth and be happy that you do not have to do all this work for me. Have a great day. "
  } 
]