SAMUEL MOFFATT: His early life in a Southern Baptist family, surviving conversion therapy and transitioning to acting on stage.

Chapters:
00:00
Introduction and Background
01:12
Theater Experience and Personal Growth
01:55
Coming Out Journey
07:07
Family Dynamics and Relationships
07:45
Boy Scouts and Early Trauma
12:37
Path to Acting and New Beginnings
15:39
Moving to New York and New Opportunities
17:47
Journey Through New York and Palm Springs
18:57
Love and Relationships in Transition
19:37
Theater Dreams and New Beginnings
21:24
The Impact of 'The Inheritance'
22:29
Vulnerability on Stage
27:05
Life Lessons and Moving Forward

Summary:
In this conversation, Sam Moffatt shares his journey of coming out as a gay man, detailing the challenges he faced growing up in a Southern Baptist family, including experiences with conversion therapy. He discusses his early involvement in theater, his move to New York City to pursue acting, and the complexities of his relationship with his parents. Sam emphasizes the importance of kindness, understanding, and the power of changing one's environment for better mental health. He also shares insights on the significance of humor and authenticity in life.

Bio:
Samuel Moffatt is a stage and screen actor, singer-songwriter, and multi-instrumentalist originally from Duncan, Oklahoma. Now based in New York City after a recent move from Palm Springs, Samuel is passionate about musical theatre and has brought his talents to a variety of roles across both coasts. A graduate of Texas A&M University, he blends his theatrical work with original music, accompanying himself on piano and guitar. Whether performing under the spotlight or writing his next song, Samuel brings heart, authenticity, and a deep love for storytelling to everything he does.

Takeaways:
*Sam's journey of coming out was challenging due to his Southern Baptist upbringing.
*He faced conversion therapy, which was traumatic and damaging.
*Sam's experience in Boy Scouts led to legal troubles and further challenges.
*Acting became a vital outlet for Sam, allowing him to express himself.
*He moved to New York to pursue his dreams after college, despite his parents' wishes.
*Sam's relationship with his parents has improved over time, but remains complex.
*He emphasizes the importance of kindness and understanding towards others.
*Sam believes in the power of changing one's environment for better mental health.
*He encourages others to pursue their passions, even in the face of adversity.
*Humor and fun are essential in life, according to Sam.

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Transcript

Wilkinson (00:00)
Greetings, today I am with Sam Moffat. Hi Sam.

Samuel Moffatt (00:03)
Hello, how are you?

Wilkinson (00:04)
Do want to be Sam or Samuel? Which you go by mostly.

Samuel Moffatt (00:07)
You can call me Sam on here, but Samuel's my like professional name. So it's really whatever you'd prefer. I like both.

Wilkinson (00:12)
All right, we'll go back and forth. Yeah.

All right. What's your middle name?

Samuel Moffatt (00:17)
My middle name is Neil. My initials are S and

Wilkinson (00:20)
Acid, oh, that's handy.

let's hear about you baby. Let's see, so I met you at the Bent Theater, or maybe it was at Revolution when I first met you, I can't remember. And then we went from there. Yeah, and then finally we tied it down and.

Samuel Moffatt (00:23)
video.

Yes. I think you first met me at Revolution, yes.

Wilkinson (00:37)
I gotcha, cause you're currently in the inheritance. You are in the inheritance.

Samuel Moffatt (00:39)
Yes, we did, finally.

Yes, in here. I know at the bend, it's going wonderfully. The cast is amazing. The set is incredible. We've been getting a lot of great responses to the show and the piece. It's very emotional, very moving, but also funny. it goes through a lot of different emotions that come up as a gay man in America.

Wilkinson (00:43)
How's that going?

So I went to opening night and then I'm gonna go next weekend just before you close. So I want to get both. Yeah,

Samuel Moffatt (01:07)
Oh, great. I'm glad you get to see it again. See if

gotten a little better, see if something came different. So that'll be nice.

Wilkinson (01:13)
how was it being in that production? You liked it?

Samuel Moffatt (01:16)
I love it a lot. It's been really challenging. It's a huge piece of work. There's a lot of lines, there's three acts, two intermissions. it was daunting, but I feel so much better as an actor, as a performer, being able to do something like that and being in it now. So I definitely feel like it helped my abilities as an actor.

Wilkinson (01:37)
I can't imagine memorizing all those lines. It's crazy.

Samuel Moffatt (01:41)
I know my 10 minute monologue about that Czech bath house is a lot, but I got through it.

Wilkinson (01:44)
Wow, you

got through it. right, so let's hear your story. My audience is mostly gay men. Sometimes you're in small towns. The point of my podcast is to reach guys, the main thing is to reach guys that don't have any real life gay experience. So let's hear your story. Is that pearls you're wearing?

Samuel Moffatt (01:55)
⁓ great, me too.

Wilkinson (02:06)
Are you wearing pearls? are. ⁓ All right. All right. So talk about coming out. What was it? What's your story?

Samuel Moffatt (02:06)
Yes, I love a pearl necklace. Yeah.

Huh.

Yeah, so I was born in Austin, Texas. I was adopted and I grew up in Duncan, Oklahoma, which is where Halliburton was founded. But as far as my coming out story, I come from a Southern Baptist family. I was raised Southern Baptist, so not necessarily the best religion or group of people to be coming out to. I grew up in a town of like 20, 25,000 people. We had two farms,

Wilkinson (02:32)
Right.

Samuel Moffatt (02:41)
I spent a lot of time working the land, picking pecans, like we had a pecan orchard, so. But sorry, coming out. It's all kind of related. You gotta understand the backstory of it to get how bad it was. But I think very early on my parents knew that I was a little special. I remember being a child and wanting to play with more feminine things or dress up a bit. And my parents shut that down immediately. They thought that Disney,

Wilkinson (02:47)
Right.

Samuel Moffatt (03:06)
made me gay, so they kind of stopped letting me watch The Little Mermaid, which was very sad for me, because that was my favorite. But throughout my life, I was just a little more flamboyant, a little more feminine, all of those things. So when I did end up coming out, it was not great. I didn't really get to come out. My parents sort of found out that I had been, you know.

Wilkinson (03:20)
Right.

Samuel Moffatt (03:30)
Communicating with other guys. It wasn't necessarily anything sexual. I was kind of young It was just you know, like flirty and you know talking about kissing and stuff They went through my Facebook messages. They went to the cell phone company and got all of the cell phone records that I had Of all the people I've been texting and they they just like found everything and so they ended up sending me to conversion therapy in Dallas So that wasn't great. It was about six months every weekend. It was like a three days I would go and

It was Christian conversion therapy. My conversion therapist was an ex-gay with a wife and children. He was definitely gay though. So yeah, so I went to conversion therapy. They took my phone away. So I had to memorize everyone's numbers of all my friends and all the people in my life. So I still remember most of their phone numbers to this day. but.

Wilkinson (04:13)
Wow. Wow.

Samuel Moffatt (04:16)
Yeah, so I went to convert, that was not great. And by the end of it, my conversion therapist was trying to sleep with me. He was being sort of forwardly sexual with me. So I decided, you know what? I'm just gonna pretend that this worked. So that's what I did. I, you know, I bit the bullet and was like, I'm gonna date girls. Like, I'm just gonna do this. It's what they want. Maybe they're right. Maybe I can change. So I decided to start dating women again. I've never been with a woman intimately.

So I'm gold star, but I hid behind the guise of like Christianity and Southern Baptist. I wore a purity ring that said like WWJD on it. So every, all the girls were like, he's like, he's such a good boy, a good Christian. And so all the parents loved when they dated me, probably because they knew I was gay and they knew that their daughter wasn't gonna be having any sex. But ⁓ yeah, so that's what I did. And then my senior year of high school, that was sophomore year.

Wilkinson (05:02)
But yeah.

Samuel Moffatt (05:07)
when I went to conversion therapy freshman sophomore year. Senior year, I started dating a guy. His name was Dylan, he was lovely. I miss him, I don't know what happened to him. I can't find him anywhere. ⁓ But it broke his heart. But my parents found out and they cut that off, they kicked me out. I lived with my grandma for a bit who was like kind of early to mid stages of dementia and Alzheimer's. So I just told her there was a leak in my room at home and she didn't question it at all.

Wilkinson (05:17)
Wow.

Samuel Moffatt (05:32)
So I had a really, really great friend named Avery who came and helped me move all this stuff out of my family's home. And I lived with my grandma for a bit and it was horrible. I had to get rides to school. I had to pretend that everything was fine. I had to pretend I was straight still. That girl Avery was the only person that knew I was gay. So I just had to pretend like everything was fine. And I was in a lot of different clubs and organizations and I had a very public facing role and a lot of my high school experience.

So it was rough, but it made me who I am today. And then finally, after I got kicked out, I eventually wanted to move back in with my family. was spring semester, senior year. It was like prom, graduation, all of those things. So I decided to pretend to be straight again to them. And they let me move back in at home. And I started dating this girl. We went to prom together. And.

Wilkinson (06:02)
⁓

Samuel Moffatt (06:18)
They, I also was about to be college, so I wanted to be able to go to college. So I just pretended to be straight again so that I could still get all those benefits. And then I went to college and the rest is history. I pretended to be straight for like the first year of college and then sophomore year. Everyone at college knew I wasn't. And the people at college are the people who really helped me become the man I am today and helped me come out and help me know who I am and the things I believe are okay. you know, getting out of that.

Wilkinson (06:23)
Right.

Samuel Moffatt (06:45)
Christian Nationalists, like Southern Baptists, like bubble, ⁓ really, really helped. And my parents will tell you that college made me a liberal, but I went to Texas A which is very, like, you know, not liberal college, I don't think. So, but I owe it all to the people in college for helping me become who am. But sophomore year, I eventually just told my family, family, hey, I'm gay and that's...

Wilkinson (06:46)
You

Thank

Samuel Moffatt (07:08)
you're just gonna have to deal with it. And they were like, we'll write you out of the will, like we'll take away your inheritance, all this stuff. And I was like, you know what? I don't care. I'd rather be happy, I'd rather be me. And that's where I am today, know, just being happy being me. And that's.

Wilkinson (07:20)
So how

are you with them today?

Samuel Moffatt (07:21)
Our relationship is definitely getting better. We don't talk all that often. I did call her for Mother's Day. We talked for a few hours, you know, just about life and stuff. So that was nice. I think it's getting better, but it's still not great. I've never really had a great connection with my parents. We're very different. Very different people. And I have a younger brother who wasn't adopted, and my younger brother and them are very close.

I think they just get each other in a way that people just can get each other, I think, when they have similarities and biological stuff. I I know that there's plenty of people that have wonderful, wonderful relationships that aren't biologically related. I consider all my friends family, so I do get that, but it just didn't happen for me and my parents. But hopefully it'll get better. They're getting older, so I would like for that relationship to build back up.

Wilkinson (08:06)
Hmm.

Before we started recording, we talked for a few minutes and you told me about a Boy Scout story. Do you want to talk about that? If you don't, I can cut it out of this, but.

Samuel Moffatt (08:19)
you know, I haven't really ever talked about it before. I think I would be comfortable talking about it. There's actually a little more to it that, I didn't get to with, like, get to talk to you about with you. ⁓ so yeah, I think I would love to maybe talk about.

Wilkinson (08:29)
Right, okay.

Hey Samuel, tell me a Boy Scout story.

Samuel Moffatt (08:36)
Okay. So I was in Boy Scouts, I was almost an Eagle Scout, I was like really into it, all of that stuff, but there was this guy, and I'm going to say his full name, and it's because if you Google it, like you can read all about what he's done and the horrible things that he's done since then. He's in prison for life. I don't know if I should tell you guys now or if I should let you guys look it up, but this guy, Alan Ruby,

and I were friends in Boy Scouts and at school. I was always a little timid about him. He was a little weird, but in Boy Scouts, him and I and this other kid who was like not the troop leader, but the kid version of that, I can't scout leader. I don't remember. He was like, he was 17, 18 and I was 10, 11, 12 at this time. And we started, you know, I got kind of pulled into what they were doing. Alan and this other guy were...

doing things sexually and they brought me into it and it was never like, you know, the full thing but and I never ever once, you know, finished this entire time but it was definitely very sexual and it was going on for a long time and then someone found out and like they went and told, Alan Ruby went and told on me and made me out to be the bad guy so I got in trouble with Boy Scouts, I got kicked out of Boy Scouts.

The state of Oklahoma got involved and they sent me to like anti-gay, like almost conversion therapy. So this was the first time I went to conversion therapy, ⁓ but it was state sanctioned and the Oklahoma state bureau of investigation got involved. I had to go to court. They were trying to try me as an adult, as a sexual predator. They were gonna put me in men's prison as like a 12 year old, which.

Wilkinson (10:00)
Right.

What?

Samuel Moffatt (10:14)
like for doing sexual

crimes, which I didn't do anything wrong. I was just a kid that was got involved with other people doing stuff and it was horrible. I ended up not getting in trouble for that. Nothing happened, but I did have to go to like state sanctioned conversion therapy. was, it's disgusting that a state could do this like to a child. Fortunately, they didn't get to try me as an adult, but it was, it was terrifying. I remember just being a little kid.

Wilkinson (10:32)
Right.

Samuel Moffatt (10:37)
and thinking, the world doesn't want me to exist. And I thought this was like this everywhere in America. I didn't have any outside perspective. I thought even liking guys that could get you thrown in prison. And what would happen to a 12-year-old kid in prison? A lot of horrible things. And not even like, they weren't even gonna send me to juvie. They were trying to send me to adult prison.

Wilkinson (10:55)
my god.

Samuel Moffatt (11:03)
That's all I got. The state of Oklahoma can.

I don't know. can, for lack of they can just go away.

Wilkinson (11:06)
They can shove it

where the sun don't shine.

Samuel Moffatt (11:11)
Exactly, exactly. I was trying to think of a nice way to say it. That's the nicest way you can say it for sure.

Wilkinson (11:16)
Wow.

Samuel Moffatt (11:17)
But this guy, Alan Ruby, up, he's like a master manipulator. He ended up murdering his mom, dad, and sister my freshman year of college. And that's when my parents, and my parents always thought I was the problem. My parents thought that I was the one that instigated everything. And the second he did that, I think they realized, Sam wasn't lying. Sam wasn't the problem. This kid who murdered his whole family was obviously the one behind all of this. And I think,

Wilkinson (11:24)
Whoa.

Samuel Moffatt (11:42)
That's when our relationship sort of got better, is when they realized I wasn't, you know, this crazy person that was doing all these horrible things. Because I wasn't. I wasn't doing horrible things. but...

Wilkinson (11:51)
So

the Allen guy was the guy that was closest to your age. And then there was the other troop guy.

Samuel Moffatt (11:57)
Yes, we were the same age.

Yeah. And Alan like totally threw me under the bus. Like he, I think he even like maybe gave him a statement to the court, like saying that I was the one that started all of this. And I wasn't. And he's in prison for life now and I'm living my best life. So who's the winner, Alan?

Wilkinson (12:16)
So what happened to the to the older guy though? He got off scot-free.

Samuel Moffatt (12:20)
Yeah, I think he also had to Boy Scouts, but he's, I think he's probably got a wife and kids now. I don't know, I haven't looked him up in a long time, but I assume that he's, know, he has a wife and children out in Oklahoma somewhere, so.

Wilkinson (12:38)
Huh, how'd you get into acting?

Samuel Moffatt (12:39)
Acting, well, I always kind of was a performer. I remember being like very little, like three or four years old singing solos at church. I was always involved in the church choir at my first Baptist church of Duncan, Oklahoma. I did like puppet shows. did, you know, the Christmas shows. I did every show that they did at a church, but you know, my mom did take me to an audition when I was in fourth grade. You know, I think she just wanted me to have an outlet for all of the singing and dancing and...

I auditioned for The Adventures of Tom Sawyer the musical. I sang I Just Can't Wait to Be King from The Lion King and I got the role of Sidney Sawyer at the the town I lived in's community theater, Duncan Little Theater. It was it was a huge production. What?

Wilkinson (13:17)
Now, how old were

you here? How old were you at that point?

Samuel Moffatt (13:22)
I was in fourth grade, so, I think so. Yeah, I was 18 and 20, I don't know. Yeah, fourth grade. Yeah, somewhere around there. And I did really well. They loved me. I loved doing it. It was amazing, know, all the costumes, the set, was incredible. So that's how I started and then I did.

Wilkinson (13:24)
So about nine, nine-ish probably.

Somewhere, somewhere around there,

Samuel Moffatt (13:44)
other community theater productions throughout my childhood. did some in seventh, eighth grade, ninth grade. did Oklahoma Footloose, Back to the 80s, which was a really fun jukebox musical about the 80s. And I eventually had to start lying to my mom and dad about where I was going and I would go to these auditions saying I was going somewhere else so that they, because they wouldn't let me go to auditions because they didn't want me to be gay.

Wilkinson (14:05)
But wait, you just said that your mother said it was okay and wanted you to do it at the beginning. Did that switch, that switched, that switched.

Samuel Moffatt (14:09)
She let me keep to the first one.

Yeah, that switched. Yeah, I think she realized that there were a lot of gay people in the theater. I think she realized that there were lot of like, you know, liberal ideas and, you know, acceptance of others and love. And I don't think she wanted my worldview to be broken that had been so carefully curated by the Southern Baptist Church.

Wilkinson (14:29)
Right. Wow. All right. So you're sneaking around doing auditions.

Samuel Moffatt (14:33)
Yes, and I would get great roles, would get leads, and then they would have to just let me be in the show because it's a small town, they didn't really have a lot of other people to do it, and you know, once your name is posted, like, as getting the role, it would be more embarrassing for my mom and dad to then, like, take it away from me in a public way than just let me do it, so, yeah, so I was, I was devious growing up, but I kind of had to be to just, you know, live my life.

Wilkinson (14:49)
pull you out, yeah.

Samuel Moffatt (14:58)
but it was a lot of lying, you know, and I think to this day, my parents still, I think they're better now, but I think they always just thought of me as like a liar, but I had to lie to survive. I had to lie to, you know, not get hate crimes. I had to lie not to get, you know, hurt or, you know, to be able to live at home. Like I just had to lie and I knew that, I knew it was for good because I knew that I would be.

somewhere like I am today, if I could just get through my 18 years in the South. And look, it worked. I'm here, I've lived in New York, I've lived here. I've had a wonderful life since being able to be myself.

Wilkinson (15:36)
So you said you went from Oklahoma to New York?

Samuel Moffatt (15:39)
I went from Oklahoma to college at Texas A I graduated in 2018 and I then moved to New York. The only thing my parents really, really wanted was for me to have a college degree. And so I have a degree in finance and marketing from Texas A It's a, you know, a bachelor of science. I knew that that was like their goal, like was to have me have a degree. And the second I got that degree, they came to my graduation and I told them, hey,

I'm moving to New York next week. And they did not want that. They wanted me to go to grad school or, you know, get a job. And I was like, I've lived my life for other people this entire time for 22 years. Like it's time for me to like be me. So I moved to New York city with $300 and a suitcase and made my dreams come true.

Wilkinson (16:22)
So what was it like? So you went to New York, had you ever been there before?

Samuel Moffatt (16:25)
I visited before, yes, like once or twice or three times, but I'd never lived there. I got so lucky. was in college and I was in the singing cadets at Texas A and we got to go to New York to perform on Fox News. And then we were also performing, yeah, I was on Fox and Friends and we also performed

Wilkinson (16:41)
Really, really.

Samuel Moffatt (16:47)
at the Bush's estate in Kinney-Bunkport name. So we would go to the Bush's estate and like do private singing for them. This was Barbara Bush and George Senior. And I mean, think Jeb was there too. But Jonathan, my God, what's his name? He was the former prime minister of Great Britain.

Anyway, he was there as well. But that was that trip. so that's that time I went to New York, I got to go out to a club one night and I saw this incredible show called Diva. It was at Industry. And I met this guy who was hosting it named Marty Thomas and we connected and I thought he was cute. I think he thought I was cute. then when I was planning on moving to New York, I guess he found out somehow and he called me and said,

Hey, my friends have an apartment in Hell's Kitchen I know you're just moving to New York. Would you like to live here? And so I got this incredible apartment in Hell's Kitchen. It was on 45th and 10th. It looked over the Hudson. had 11 windows. It was the first time I'd ever lived alone. I shared a bedroom with my brother my whole life. And so it was the first time I'd ever lived alone.

Wilkinson (17:36)
Wow.

So

Samuel Moffatt (17:45)
it. Yeah. shoot.

I started working, I started doing background vocal work for like Broadway performers and I started doing, you know, industry readings of different shows for Broadway producers and it was great. I had a great time in New York and I miss it a lot.

Wilkinson (17:59)
So you were there five years.

Samuel Moffatt (18:00)
It was like four, four and a half. We had to leave, I had to leave because of COVID. I left, came here, and then I went back for a bit. And then now I've been here for four years.

Wilkinson (18:10)
Huh. How's your love life in the gay world?

Samuel Moffatt (18:12)
Well, that's actually why I moved here to Palm Springs. I met a man in New York like a week after moving there. you know, we hot and heavy, and we moved in kind of quick. was great. I was with him for seven years. We were engaged. And when COVID happened, he grew up here. And so we moved here.

stayed with his family for a bit and then went back to New York and then we came here and we're like, it's gonna be temporary, we're just gonna try it out for a bit. And then I've been here since, but we did break up in December of this past year, so that's been kind of rough. I'm currently in the process of like packing up my things and moving, trying to figure out all of the logistics of that, but I'm moving back to New York City in two weeks. I'll be there June 1st, so I don't know how many.

Wilkinson (18:58)
and you have a new place to go or are going to wing it?

Samuel Moffatt (18:58)
how many weeks that is, but.

No, I have a new place, another friend. I got really lucky again this time. Every time I try to move to New York, I just get the best luck. think the world's like, the universe is like, hey, go, you should be there. So I got a great place in the East Village, living with a friend. I think he owns the place. It's three bed, two bath, and I'm getting one of the rooms. And it's very cheap rent, less than what I paid the first time I moved to New York, half of what I'm paying here. So I'm just, very fortunate and...

it just seems like everything is lining up for me to be, you know, be there again. And I'm very excited about that because that's what I want to do professionally full-time is theater and acting. I just, New York's the best place to be for that.

Wilkinson (19:37)
So you're mainly sticking to theater, you're not thinking TV or films or anything?

Samuel Moffatt (19:42)
I've only done TV and film like once or twice here and there and like some random shoots and stuff. But I love the theater. I love being on stage. I love being in person with people. I think there's just something so raw and emotional about it. I also love just having people in front of me. Being on stage is where I feel the most me. It's where I feel like I'm doing what's right. Like when I'm doing what I meant to be doing, sharing.

story, sharing truths, sharing emotion, and just helping people learn and grow and have different viewpoints. It's just a beautiful thing.

Wilkinson (20:12)
Hmm. Hmm. You gonna miss the palm strings?

Samuel Moffatt (20:14)
I am, I am gonna miss Palm Springs. I should be back and forth. My rent's so cheap that I will have the ability to travel a bit. But I hope to come back in the fall for the Inheritance Part Two at the bent here at the Palm Springs Cultural Center. So I'll spend the summer in New York and then come back for a month or two and then go back to New York. that's the plan for now at least. But I did get my equity offer, so I'm trying to decide when and.

when to pay my dues so that, I don't know, I think I might wait till after The Inheritance Part II to do that so that I can still be a part of that. I've always wanted to be equity, so I'm very excited to do that and see where that takes me as an actor, especially in New York City. It was...

Wilkinson (20:54)
I was gonna

say, in New York that would probably be helpful. I'm not sure how helpful that is here though, because a lot of the theaters, can't afford or can't do the equity people.

Samuel Moffatt (20:59)
Yeah, tough note.

It's not.

Exactly, no absolutely. There are some equity theaters here, yeah, it would not be great for me to be equity here in the Valley. But in New York, I feel like last time I lived there, was so hard to you know, seen at auditions if you weren't equity. So I just, I'm excited for the stability and sort of like the more, you know, structure that being equity will provide me in New York. And...

as an actor, as a performer.

Wilkinson (21:26)
So how has it been being in the inheritance?

Samuel Moffatt (21:30)
It's been out of this world. I couldn't be happier. The cast is amazing. The crew is amazing. The set's amazing. It's just so beautiful and I'm so thankful to Terry Ray and to Steve Rosenbaum for giving me this huge role. They believed in me, you know, when some other places in the theater might, in the valley might not have, and I just, couldn't be happier that they could see my talent and knew that I would be good for this role because I...

I do think that this role has been life-defining for me. think doing this role will propel me into all future endeavors as an actor, just because of the sheer size of it, how broad it is that I have to play a few different characters. I just, I'm very, very thankful and just I'm so grateful and happy. if little me could see where I am right now,

He would just be so, so, so happy and he would know that all of that fighting, all of that lying, all of that, you know, horrible stuff that I went through growing up was worth it. He would know that it was all meant for something better.

Wilkinson (22:30)
So Sam, you're naked in this production.

Samuel Moffatt (22:33)
I, you, I am, I do get naked. I mean, we gotta sell it, right? No, but ⁓ I do get naked in this show. It's the first time I've ever been any sort of unclothed on stage. I don't even think I've had my shirt off on stage before, so being fully exposed is a lot. There is no penis, sorry guys, but.

Wilkinson (22:37)
Right, of course.

Samuel Moffatt (22:54)
There is a lot, a lot of ass.

Wilkinson (22:56)
Now, wait a minute, you were the Scarlet tattoo, you had your shirt off on that.

Samuel Moffatt (23:01)
that was the first time, the Scarlet tattoo. Thank you, thank you. I'm glad you remember. That's the first time I ever, well, I, did I have it off or did I just unbutton it?

Wilkinson (23:03)
Yep.

Yeah.

I don't remember. remember you were partly disrobed. I remember. Yeah, yeah.

Samuel Moffatt (23:13)
Maybe I had it all.

There was definitely some chest exposed. So that was probably the first time, but that was only a few months ago. but yes.

Wilkinson (23:22)
So was it weird being naked up there or what? Let's talk about that.

Samuel Moffatt (23:26)
It was, I actually didn't, do the scene fully until tech week and probably halfway through tech week. We opened on Friday, I think the first time I fully did that scene in the nude was Wednesday. I was just, was trying, I was kind of putting it off. I was just kind of nervous. I was, you know, trying to eat nice that week so that I looked nice and thin and toned, but it doesn't matter. Everybody is beautiful, but I...

Wilkinson (23:47)
Right.

Samuel Moffatt (23:49)
Yeah, it was a little nerve wracking actually, for sure. And every night it still kind of is. Even recently in the show, there was like a prop mishandling and my underwear for that scene that I put on after I'm naked wasn't set on stage. And so I ended up having to do the whole 10 minute monologue in like my tiny little, I have like a mini towel that I wrap around myself and.

That was terrifying because I stand up on a bench and I'm scared everyone can like see my skirt. I did have a sock around my penis. So I do have that.

Wilkinson (24:27)
Is

that my phone going off or yours? Huh, that's really weird. And I'm looking at mine, it's not mine. I don't know what's going on here, but anyway, I'll turn it off. ⁓ Wow. No, I don't think so. Anyway, we're fine.

Samuel Moffatt (24:29)
It's not mine. It's not mine.

Is it the laptop? well. ⁓

But

yeah, so, but it's been freeing, it's been eye-opening, you know, it's been vulnerable in a way that I think I need to be more of sometimes. So I'm happy with my performance and my nakedness.

Wilkinson (24:54)
Maybe you can sell the sock to a fan.

Samuel Moffatt (24:57)
Honestly though, there are some people in this valley that would buy that. There's... Or my jockstrap from Act 3.

Wilkinson (24:57)
you

Yeah. Well...

Well, it was really funny. I'll tell you a quick story. So my friend James, he's a straight guy, but I was doing a, uh, the videos for him for to start or just for fans. He did a couple episodes on my podcast, you know, first of all, when he quit his job banking and then when he, when we were doing this. So anyway,

So originally they had a link to his Instagram, which he has since, since he started doing the Just For Fans, he cut the link off, but some guy, some guy knew it. So he's doing this stuff on Just For Fans. And this guy writes to him and he goes, he was like Tony in Chicago. So Tony in Chicago writes to him and says, this is kind of weird, but would you sell me your used underwear? Hey, I said, that's a thing, you know.

So anyway, so he sold it to him for 150 bucks. Yeah. And then, he, visited like a month later, he was back here and I said, did you ever hear back from that Tony guy? And he goes, Oh, didn't I show you? And I go, no. So he sends me a photo of the guy. So the guy had his underwear on his head and he sent him a picture of it. That crazy.

Samuel Moffatt (25:48)
It is. It more.

I love that. my gosh, maybe I should sell my cock sock. Maybe.

Wilkinson (26:09)
Yeah.

Yes.

Is it your cock soccer? Where did it come from?

Samuel Moffatt (26:16)
I bought it. I bought it. I think the company would have been fine with me not wearing it.

Wilkinson (26:17)
Is

that a thing? mean, does it strap on or something or what's the deal? Or is it just a sock?

Samuel Moffatt (26:26)
So it's like it's like a little it's a little pouch made out of like a nice soft material. Do I have it with me? No But it's got like a it's got a little drawstring

Wilkinson (26:35)
So you like tighten it?

Samuel Moffatt (26:37)
It's got a drawstring and you pull it and it tightens around like, you know, like like a cock ring. It tightens around the outside and stays there.

Wilkinson (26:42)
Okay.

Wow.

Well, yeah, I she...

Samuel Moffatt (26:45)
It did fall off, it

did fall off, halfway through the act last week.

Wilkinson (26:48)
you

Samuel Moffatt (26:49)
but.

Wilkinson (26:50)
Huh.

Samuel Moffatt (26:50)
to tighten it more.

Wilkinson (26:51)
So did somebody pick that up for you and give it to you?

Samuel Moffatt (26:54)
It fell out of my pant leg while I was walking off stage. yeah. So I just reached down and grabbed it real quick and shoved it down my pants. And then I put on my jockstrap for act three.

Wilkinson (26:56)
really? Okay. well.

Wow. All right. So other than New York, what's on your horizons now?

Samuel Moffatt (27:10)
Packing up all my things. If anyone wants furniture, let me know. I'm just kidding. You know, saying goodbye to all my friends. I would like to have a little going away party for all the people I've met and spent time with over these past four or five years. And other than that, I'm working on Fire Island this summer. have... Oh, I'm going on a trip to Greece with a friend from Australia in June that he paid for.

So, but I'm just really, really excited for the summer.

Wilkinson (27:42)
Is this a friend or a sugar daddy? Come on, I want the truth. on.

Samuel Moffatt (27:45)
He's a friend. He's a friend.

I knew you were gonna ask that. That's so funny. No, he's a friend. He has a boyfriend now. But he's a really lovely guy. He's an anesthesiologist in Australia.

Wilkinson (27:50)
Okay.

Do you need somebody, do you need someone?

Oh wow, do need somebody to come along and like carry your bags and stuff for you? Because I'm available if you want.

Samuel Moffatt (28:01)
It's so funny because I was supposed to go on this trip with my ex-fiance and he dropped out like last week and so they needed someone, they needed another person because there was like a spot in my room on the yacht and he couldn't go and I found, if you had asked me this last week, yeah, you could have come.

Wilkinson (28:04)
Yeah.

Oh my God, seriously. So you're gonna be on a yacht?

Samuel Moffatt (28:23)
I know, I'm sorry. I

It's, we're taking like a Greek Isles tour. It's only 60 feet. It's only a 60 foot yacht. I'm just kidding. I've never been on one before, but I'm not kidding. It is, we are on a yacht and it's 60 feet, but I'm joking. I don't know what the normal yacht size is, but it's got like five bedrooms. It should be fun. I don't know.

I'm very down to earth you guys, promise. I just got really lucky. I'm very, I'm broke vibes, don't worry.

Wilkinson (28:50)
You're struggling artist.

Samuel Moffatt (28:52)
But.

When you're nice to people and you're charismatic, they like to bring you places. So if I have one piece of advice for any of y'all, be lovely and kind and charismatic and you can go far in life.

Wilkinson (29:04)
Well, I'm like that, but I've never gotten a free trip. Come on.

Samuel Moffatt (29:08)
and show your ass on stage. That's how you-

Wilkinson (29:10)
Ooh,

honey, they would pay not to see it.

Samuel Moffatt (29:13)
No, I'm sure it's a beautiful, beautiful a-

Wilkinson (29:15)
Well,

have other... nevermind. We won't go there. Anyway.

Samuel Moffatt (29:20)
Ooh, okay,

good to know. Well, you know what? You wouldn't even... Okay. This is fun.

Wilkinson (29:24)
Yeah.

Anyway,

so we get to the point where I ask you, what have you learned in your life? What's like a couple of main, a main or a couple of main lessons you've learned?

Samuel Moffatt (29:34)
Well, the one that I just said is one, you know, be kind. Another one I've learned is that, this sounds so cliche or whatever, but you never know like what's going on with someone. like, why are you concerned about what they're doing? I mean, of course if it's like to their, if it's unsafe or you know, if they're hurting themselves and stuff, of course be concerned. But I just don't know why people are so concerned about other people in public.

Wilkinson (29:54)
Right.

Samuel Moffatt (29:59)
are doing, like just mind your business. Mind your business. Okay, that's one piece of advice. Mind your business. Be nice, be kind, love everyone. And something else I've learned is that...

Sometimes like the darkness comes in sometimes you really just don't want to be here anymore. Sometimes there's there's so much sadness so much pain that either you're going through or that's happening around you and It does get better it does get better and also if you ever feel like you don't want to be around anymore Change your environment change everything about where you're at. I always told myself if I ever did want to you know

do something like that, I would just pick up and move somewhere and if I still felt that way, then maybe I'd consider it. I think so many people are just being complicit and not complicit, they're just being, people, if you change your surroundings, change your environment, change the people you're around, if things are really, really that bad, because obviously there's more out there and there's better people, there's better environments and I just think people aren't willing to.

Wilkinson (30:55)
Right.

Samuel Moffatt (30:57)
They think that there's no option. Just go, just go. Even if you're broke, I moved to New York City with $300 on a suitcase. I got a job and I changed my life. You can do it and it is possible. And you're already at that low point, so what's the worst that could happen?

Wilkinson (31:12)
Right. Good advice.

You got a little wisdom on you there, kid.

Samuel Moffatt (31:15)
That's just been something

I've tried to live by that. I mean, I've had to go through a lot. I haven't been, I've had a very, very, very rough go of it. and even stuff we haven't discussed. I just, you might not know that meeting me, seeing me. So it goes back to my thing. Like you never know what people are going through. You never know what's going on. So be kind, be loving and you know.

Wilkinson (31:22)
Right.

Samuel Moffatt (31:37)
Have fun. Be fun. I think people need to start having fun again and being funny again. People need to laugh more. I love laughing. I think people are so serious all the time about so many things. Quit being so serious everybody. Quit. Quit it. Nothing's that serious. We're on a giant rock in the sky, okay? In space, you know? So, have fun.

Wilkinson (31:55)
Excellent.

think that's a good word to end with. Hey, thanks for coming in. You're a fun guy.

Samuel Moffatt (32:00)
Of course, thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure. You're awesome. So anytime.

Wilkinson (32:01)
Yeah. Okay. All

right. Thanks again.

Samuel Moffatt (32:06)
course.