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Dates, Mates and Babies with the Vallottons
126. Dating Someone with a Past Marriage and Kids
Can love still feel new when someone has already been married and had children with someone else?
In this vulnerable episode, Jason and Lauren Vallotton respond to a heartfelt question from a listener navigating the early stages of dating a divorced man with kids. Together, they unpack the very real fears, griefs, and hopes that can rise up in blended beginnings.
Whether you're walking this journey yourself or supporting someone who is, this episode offers practical wisdom, personal insight, and gentle clarity around some of the most tender questions:
- How do I reconcile the longing to be someone’s first with the reality of coming in second chronologically?
- Can I feel truly chosen if he’s loved before?
- What are healthy signs he’s healed from his past—and what red flags should I pay attention to?
- How do I navigate comparison, memories, or ongoing connection with a former spouse as they co-parent?
- What does “fairytale love” look like when the story begins with complexity?
Jason and Lauren speak from personal experience and pastoral wisdom to offer encouragement, grounded perspective, and honest dialogue about grief, hope, and choosing love in real life—not in the fantasy.
Because healing doesn’t mean the past never happened—it means the past no longer holds the pen.
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Speaker 2:Valetans, and we are passionate about people.
Speaker 1:Every human was created for fulfilling relational connection.
Speaker 2:But that's not always what comes easiest.
Speaker 1:We know this because of our wide range of personal experience, as well as our years of working with people.
Speaker 2:So we're going to crack open topics like dating, marriage, family and parenting to encourage, entertain and equip you for a deeply fulfilling life of relational health.
Speaker 1:Welcome back everyone to Dates, mates and Babies with the Valetins. Great to be with you guys.
Speaker 2:Sure is, it's July, we're still in the summer, but the summer is screeching to a halt. That's how I feel You're so full of doom when it comes to the summer, whenever I'm halfway through something, I feel like it might as well already be over, and I it comes to. Whenever I'm halfway through something, I feel like it might as well already be over. And I love summertime, so I'm just soaking up all the moments well we have been.
Speaker 1:This has been one of the best summers we've ever had well, definitely one of the fullest summers we've ever had.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's been great. What did you just do, babe?
Speaker 1:I just got back from Brazil, Brazil. So much fun for everyone that listens to our podcast in Brazil. Y'all have a great country it was.
Speaker 2:Y'all have a great country. Yeah, they do, it was so great to be there.
Speaker 1:The people are amazing. The food was great. I had such a fun time.
Speaker 2:Jason and his dad and our good friend Danny Silk, did a men's conference, Men's and women's conference, women's conference, which is so fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was great, so I had a great time doing that fast trip. Just five days came back and then, uh, met you. You guys were in Colorado.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we were visiting my 93 year old grandmother, who still lives in the same house that my dad grew up in, which is wild. I took the littles to visit her and it was very sweet yeah.
Speaker 1:But here we are, we're back, we're back in.
Speaker 2:Reading. We're back at work. I'm looking ahead. I've got to do's out the wazoo, including look at our fall calendar. I don't know, but it's, it's. I got a lot to wrap my head around. I feel that I've got some ketchup to play and some I got to look at this calendar coming up and wrap my head around it.
Speaker 2:But today we're in the studio and we're happy to be here and we're going to crack into a topic that was actually inspired by one of you faithful listeners out there who wrote us in just a really well thought out question and we loved it, and so we're going to actually devote a whole episode to this, the topic being dating someone with a past marriage and kids. We've talked about this from time to time on our podcast, normally grouped into other like Q andA episodes where we kind of answer one-off questions. But obviously, because of the nature of our family dynamics and our history with blending a family and me coming into marriage not having had children before, this is a bit of a niche market that we do know a lot about from experience, and so actually these, these questions were so well thought out we just thought we would go through them and devote an episode to this topic for all of you out there who are in this situation or contemplating this sort of situation.
Speaker 1:Whoever sent in this question, which you know who they are, they're going to be stoked. Oh yeah, we actually did a whole episode on it, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know You're welcome friend. Yeah, they're going to be stoked. Oh, yeah, we actually did a whole episode on it. Yeah, yeah, I know You're welcome friend. Yeah, but okay, let's paint the backdrop right. So we have a young woman who's never been married before, who's in a dating relationship with a great guy. Obviously she's very interested. If she's considering marrying him, then she's very interested. He's been married before. He's got children of his own, she's never been married and doesn't have any kids, and so this scenario is quite common, honestly. I mean, you know, more common than it used to be decades ago. We're in a season where, even in the church, there's a lot of broken families that are looking to rebuild and who are looking for a redemptive story in the midst of marriage and family, and so you know, we love the idea of helping equip people just like this, who are are um navigating a dynamic inside of a dating relationship that is complex.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And to think well and hard about the complexities is honestly wisdom, because this is not an easy dynamic to navigate, but if it's right and if it's good and if you do it well, obviously it can be such a beautiful story.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Um, but I think it's vulnerable. Naturally, it's a vulnerable position to be in, particularly for the woman, in this case, right being the one who's she's asking some really big questions.
Speaker 1:and ultimately, and this is where I think, well, I want to say something too, okay, because obviously we're not just going to talk from the woman's perspective so jumping.
Speaker 2:I would like to say you just interrupted me well, I raised my hand and you stopped.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true. That's how we know each other wants to talk. But I just want people to know I'm not just going to talk from the woman's perspective.
Speaker 2:Is that all you?
Speaker 1:wanted to say yeah, that's all I wanted to say.
Speaker 2:My gosh. Okay, where was I? Was that a worthy interruption, babe it was interruption it was, you were headed down the path. What I was gonna say was uh, actually completely lost my train of thought. No, you have it.
Speaker 1:Yes, no, I don't. She never actually loses her train of thought. She wanders from the path for like 10 seconds and then watch here it comes okay.
Speaker 2:Well, I think I know the direction I was going in was for this woman, or for somebody who's actually in a relationship with a person that's been divorced or has been married before and has children. I think what happens to people in this situation, like others in life, is you run up against this, this little wall that kind of confronts you with this invitation. Do I pursue this relationship and let go of every ideal I've ever had of what marriage and family is going to look like? Or do I say no to this because it's so different than what I ever imagined, getting myself into Right and and here's the, here's the overarching truth that I think I'm no longer afraid of this part of life, which is very few things go as we plan, like I feel, like what we've. You know I'm 40 years old, not very old, but old enough to know a lot of life doesn't go like we imagine.
Speaker 2:And so the fact that people come up on this dating scenario where you know I'm in a relationship with somebody who's been married and has children, it's so not ideal.
Speaker 2:People say that all the time. It's just, it's so not my ideal. I don't know what to do and I think I have two things to say about that. Number one, that it does not match your ideal doesn't make it wrong or bad in and of itself, but it's so fair to consider if it's what you want your story to look like. It's so fair to consider that, Um so kind of, with that being the backdrop. Obviously, like Jason said, we're going to talk about this from the woman's perspective, from the man's perspective, and kind of maybe give some good wisdom and insight into how to kind of ask and answer some important questions in the journey, but I think that's like a good backdrop to pain Like here's the scenario right, um, and in inside of that, I think the questions that this woman has posed are really really good questions, the first one being can love still feel new and fresh when somebody has already been married and has had children with someone else?
Speaker 2:that desire right, the desire for a fresh love, like something to feel unique and special. Can you get to a spot in a dating relationship like this where it feels that?
Speaker 1:way. I think it's a great question, um, and it's back to what is what's your idea of being with someone? And to me, just because someone has been loved before and someone has a history or, uh, you know, a past, that doesn't make something less special or less less important or less sweet. I think every single human being on the planet has a past. I think about it like this If I become best friends with somebody, I don't ask them like have you ever had a best friend besides me?
Speaker 1:And the fact that they had a best friend before and now I'm their best friend, does it make it less special that I'm their best friend now? Like it doesn't, because what makes that relationship beautiful? The deep connection that we build together, that's actually what makes a relationship really, really special. It's not the fact that this is the first time. This has never happened. You have never happened with them, they have never happened with you. This relationship has never happened, and together you're building a really beautiful story and a really beautiful journey, and that's the thing that you're going to protect the most.
Speaker 1:There's very, very, very, very, very few people on the planet who are actually the this is you are. You're the only person that I've ever loved.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:You're the only person I've ever had this conversation with.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:You're the only person that I've ever expressed myself to Like. That's not what, in my opinion, makes something really special. Right, it's the depth of connection, yeah, it's, it's the shared experiences.
Speaker 2:I always like to point out too. You know, in our scenario, jason was married for 10 years before his divorce and then was single for a few years before we started dating, and you know, him and his first wife were high school sweethearts. Interestingly, although he's the one who'd been married before, I'd actually had a lot more dating experience. I had dated a lot more guys than he had ever dated girls.
Speaker 1:She got around quite a bit.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, not. But I was in a few longer term relationships. I dated a couple of different guys besides Jason, who I had, you know, at one point thought that I wanted to marry at some point. So interesting, I always felt like, although he was the one who was divorced, I actually had a little bit more of a past, interestingly right.
Speaker 2:So I say that only to say just because somebody has been married before doesn't mean that you don't also have a past. And to Jason's point, we all have a story that has happened before. We've met this new current person. And so, more important than what did the past entail is probably how have you processed the past and where are you today as a result of what you've walked through? And I think that's probably you know. She asked this question, which I think is great what are healthy signs that he's healed from his past and what red flags should I pay attention to? And I would say that's a great question and it's also important that we ask ourselves, like for you, the woman, for me in my situation, I had to ask myself have I healed from my past and are there red flags that I need to pay attention to about how I'm doing in this story. It's not just because he's divorced.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think we have to. So that ideal, I mean we should just talk about the ideal really quick.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Because I want to hit on a few things a bit more with that, because I think that there is a mourning process that you have to go through, in my opinion, with something like this, because the real desire that you have growing up is, we have this preconceived idea of what life's going to be like, what your parents are going to be like, what growing older, what your relationship's going to be like, what marriage is going to be like, and I think, when you're starting to wrap your mind around, oh, my parents are human, they're going to fail me and they're going to come through for me and, oh, life isn't going the way that I want it to. To me, part of the mourning process isn't this process where I just cry and lay in bed all day. It's actually being able to process through. I had this thought and now this is my reality. That's not necessarily bad.
Speaker 1:There's a gift in that but I do have to let go of what Brene Brown gives a definition for authenticity. She says it's letting go of who you think that you're going to be and grabbing a hold of who you really are, and that's a process for people to, I think, really intentionally embrace. Otherwise, you're constantly fighting. Everything else feels like danger. This isn't what I have pictured my whole life, this isn't what I thought it would be, and so being able to actually go hold on a sec, like I have this idea of what feels safe, of what feels normal, what feels fun, of what's going to bring me, success, what feels beautiful.
Speaker 1:And I don't actually, I can't actually really predict that as accurately as I thought that I could. Yeah true, and so I really think that there's a foundation in that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree, and I think what you're talking about is actually a process of kind of okay, if you're in a situation like this, there has to be a reconciling that happens in your longing to be somebody's first with the reality of coming in second, chronologically right.
Speaker 2:Like there's a reconciling that happens so or not, or you actually decide. I don't actually want this to be my story and so I'm going to actually opt out. But if you're opting in I would say for anybody that's opting in to be somebody's second marriage, there should be a pretty sober reconciling that happens where you go. Wow, I didn't actually dream of this as a little girl. I didn't lay in bed at night and imagine you know what the fairy tale would be. It would just be my absolute dream to marry a guy that's divorced and has children. Like that's nobody's dream, right? And so I think that there's a real necessary.
Speaker 2:I'm going to use the word grief. You actually need to go through the process of grieving your ideal in exchange for a current reality and making a conscious decision. In going, like you know what Life is looking a lot differently than I imagined and I get to actually process any amount of disappointment or pain or grief in. Um, I want to be careful, because what I don't think is a great plan is for somebody to choose to opt into a family dynamic of a blended family. Sad or grieving, like you should get to a spot where you actually feel stoked about making that choice. But I think what we're talking about is kind of this like micro. We're talking about like a micro moment where you go hold on, stop. Life is going a totally different way. If I'm choosing this, I'm choosing intentionally to let go of this ideal I had as a little girl.
Speaker 1:Yeah, to me it doesn't matter what relationship you get into, whether they've been married before or they haven't. There's going to be things in that relationship that are completely unexpected that you have to grieve and that you have to make adjustments for and process through. So that might to to that question. It's like well, why not?
Speaker 1:Why would you not date somebody that that's been married before and you start to answer those questions like well, I wouldn't if they didn't feel like they've been healed from the past. Great, I wouldn't date anybody if they didn't feel I wouldn't date somebody who didn't feel like they can really manage their kids. Well, well, the advantage now is that you get to see how they manage their kids.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Well, I wouldn't date somebody who's still holding onto the past Great. So that becomes a checking point of how do I make sure that somebody isn't still dealing with their past right?
Speaker 1:I wouldn't date somebody who wasn't willing to do emotional connection with me. Great well, you'll really know, because somebody has had a whole entire marriage before and you'll see in dating whether or not they can do emotional connection. Can they actually talk about it? Can they empathize with where you're at like? So my, so my, question of why not it it? It opens up this world of like. You're really saying yes to a bit more complicated, but the beauty in it is I have so much more information I can see way more, I know.
Speaker 1:And I have more history to pull on and I can actually get a much better idea. You had a much better idea of what kind of man I am what I'm going to be in my future. Where I'm headed Then?
Speaker 2:most people honestly my first wife ever did. I know you know it's. I'm so glad you mentioned that because I actually remember dating you and I remember saying this exact line on paper. It looks crazy, right Like you write it on paper. He was married for 10 years. Well, he, you know he was married at 18 years old. He had a child by 19. He was married for 10 years. He got a divorce. He's been a single dad. He's on paper.
Speaker 1:It looks messy, it's been in a nervous breakdown.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember saying to people on paper it looks messy. It's been in a nervous breakdown. Yeah, I remember saying to people I on paper it looks messy, but I don't know how to explain. I feel safer with him than I've ever felt with anybody I've ever dated. And I will say I know now that I can attribute that level of trust and safety to the fact that he had actually walked through really tough seasons of life and had only come through it stronger, with more character, more integrity, with trust built in his relationships, with a track record of great accountability in his life.
Speaker 2:He wasn't wondering what happened in his first marriage. He knew exactly what he'd contributed to in order to see, you know, in order for a first marriage to fail. He he wasn't afraid of taking ownership. He was clear. There was a like. He said there was a lot of content for me to actually absorb and go. Ah, I see, and honestly, I remember laughing, telling a few of my friends like this actually feels like a benefit, like the fact that he's been married before because he was so healthy and so open and authentic and because he took so much ownership over his life. I told I would tell my friends this feels like a benefit. The fact that he's been married before honestly has only made him a better man, and I do get to see what kind of parent he is, what kind of you know spouse he was, what kind of friend he is, how he's navigating a relationship with his ex-wife and with his children and with his family Like it was actually really helpful.
Speaker 1:That's the question is what did the past life build in the person that you're with now?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And if it built experience, if it grew their skill sets, if it is changing them for the better, then, man, that seems like a real benefit to your life. It's, it's. The question is, what is the baggage? And so I think that's where you start to get in. Like what? What are the red flags? Well, the red flags are they don't want to open up the. They're still living with their past life. Uh, they can't, they don't really explain, uh, in a really good, great way, uh, what their challenges were and how they solve them in a way that builds tons of confidence in you.
Speaker 1:It's all the other person's fault would be a red flag their kids don't trust them would be a red flag. They don't have long lasting community. You know, it's all those. All those things begin to be a real red flag, and then I think the time frames have read a red flag as well.
Speaker 2:You know, how many?
Speaker 1:how many relationships have they had since, and how long has it been you? Know if you're dating someone that was married six months past, you know, when they've had this really long relationship. Like I'm not saying that doesn't work, I'm saying that should be a red flag for you.
Speaker 1:It should make you stop and go. Have they had? I'm not saying that doesn't work. I'm saying that should be a red flag for you. It should make you stop and go. Have they had enough time to process through all this? Have they had enough time to deal with what happened? Do they really understand what happened? What does their community say about them? You know what are their. What do the kids say about them? Do they have really, do they have, control over their own personal life, or are they in this, you know, massive? Do they have control over their own personal life or are they in this massive?
Speaker 1:chaotic mess that they're going to need a savior for Am I their savior or am I somebody they have a lot of time to pour into Like? Those begin to be the red flags when you're dating somebody like this A unique dynamic.
Speaker 2:In ultimately marrying someone who's been married before and has children, you'll notice really fast whether you have done the internal heart work in order to be ready for a relationship like that, because either big insecurities will flare up or they won't. Either big fears will flare up or they won't and I will say like that Jay was married before was an opportunity for big insecurity to rise up in me. If they had existed and I would say if I, if Jason had been married or had, if Jason was dating me and recognized that I had a lot of insecurity over the fact he had been married before, he wouldn't have wanted to marry me. And that's fair, because the truth is he can't change that storyline for his life. He actually needs to choose a spouse future spouse that can handle his storyline, that isn't actually afraid of his past and that has the internal what do you call it? Like the internal kind of fortitude, the self-confidence and the security to manage Like I needed to be able to manage my own emotions inside of our family dynamic.
Speaker 2:And so you do have to be willing to address some of the fears quote fears would be really actually good questions, like maybe your fear is actually just a really great question, and once the question is answered, the fear goes away. Okay, that's a fear, and insecurity is something that there's no good. There's no answer good enough to quiet the fear that you have. Maybe you actually have some insecurities going on, like I don't feel worthy of love in this area and so the fact he's been married before is a constant threat to my own sense of value. Like that would be a red flag as a woman looking at this situation going. Can I handle it? Well, that's something you'd want to work out before you get married, because being married to somebody who has children with another woman is definitely a breeding ground for insecurity If you haven't addressed those kinds of fears before for yourself.
Speaker 1:So one question that they asked is how do I navigate comparison memories or ongoing connection with a former? Spouse as they co-parent. I think, when you're talking about comparison and you are talking about insecurity and insecurity is an internal job it's something that you have to manage on your own. Also, though I will say this is somebody can introduce something into the relationship that creates insecurity in the actual relationship. I feel insecure about our relationship. So, if they don't have really healthy boundaries with their spouse ex-spouse, ex-spouse.
Speaker 2:yes, Exactly.
Speaker 1:That that breeds insecurity. I'm not insecure in myself. I-spouse yes, exactly, that breeds insecurity. I'm not insecure in myself, I'm insecure in the relationship.
Speaker 2:The relationship. I don't feel confident it's the opposite of security Right.
Speaker 1:I feel unsecure in this relationship.
Speaker 2:Yeah, insecure, unsafe, insecure, and so we put that in the category of like. When you're in a dating relationship of any kind, your goal is to build trust with one another. So when you start discovering, oh, it feels like they have a really interesting boundary here with their ex spouse. The way that they talk with their ex wife about the kids feels interesting to me, or you know the amount of safe yeah.
Speaker 2:The amount of connection that they have feels unsafe to me. Those are things that are causing you to go. How much do I trust the nature of our relationship? And that's a good distinction between like self insecurity.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but when we talk about how do I navigate comparison, memories, ongoing conflict, that type of thing, those are all different things. How do I navigate comparison? Memories, ongoing conflict, that type of thing, those are all different things. How do I navigate comparison, the comparison, especially if it's you comparing yourself against the former spouse? I think that confidence is built through competency and so you're going to. If you're coming into a place, into a relationship, where the parent was a really great, the ex-spouse was a really great, deeply connected parent to the kids, then you're probably going to feel inadequate in some of the areas that they're really strong at and being able to go like.
Speaker 1:I understand that and having the right expectation for yourself so that you don't crush yourself is going to be really important yep and because every dynamic's different right and, and all the kids are different, right, and so I think your goal is to build some confidence through competency.
Speaker 1:Well, how do you become a great parent before you parent? First you start to learn the theory of parenting. How do I set healthy boundaries? How do I raise kids in a healthy way? Loving your Kids on Purpose by Danny Silk would be a great, you know, a really great tool. Or maybe you want to get into it, just depends on the age.
Speaker 2:Well, honestly, you have to know what the culture of parenting already is. You don't get to actually come in and do a big overhaul, even if you think that it needs an overhaul.
Speaker 1:My whole point is you have to be willing to grow into being a deeply connected, skilled up parent, and that comes from your willingness to look at the places where you aren't really really great at yet, and and be willing to confront those. Yeah for sure To learn and grow and so you know, otherwise you're never going to feel secure as as a parent. I think the memories, the memories piece.
Speaker 1:Um, you can go either way with this. How do I deal with the memories of being with someone for 10 years? The same way that you would deal with the memories of dating multiple guys is in my mind. I don't make room for myself to compare you against someone my ex-wife.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:I don't do that, in the same way that you don't make room to compare me, and I'll say there is some healthy. When you're dating, you have a framework for what felt great, what didn't feel great, what felt love. But I'm not doing this comparison where I'm going. I wish my wife was more like X, y or Z. I wish my wife was more like X, y or Z. If I have a need in the relationship, if I have an area that I'm hurting in or that needs growth, those are areas that we can talk about.
Speaker 1:I can talk about hey, I want to feel cared for. I want to feel I really protect in my mind, where I allow my mind to go.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And what I allow, the measure of what feeling loved feels like, Um and so to me that's a place where I have to reconcile my past. I have to reconcile that my past, sex life is not an area that I get to go back. Into. It's not because I've had permission for 10 years. It doesn't mean I have permission today to go back into there and and to use that as information or a reference or, uh, you know, a place of comfort anymore, Like that's a, that's a that's in my past.
Speaker 2:That's been reconciled, that's a past life, you know. On the note of memories, I will say that when somebody has had a whole nother marriage before yours, they have a whole life of memory that they don't just erase magically. And so part of my dating process with Jason was, um, when we got to a certain place in our dating life where we were actually considering getting engaged, we established kind of like a there's nothing that I won't talk to you about, and I actually found a need to understand some of his past life, to the point where he would let me read journal entries and I would get to ask questions. And I did ask him a lot of questions about his first marriage and I wanted to understand the depth of what he loved about his first marriage and I wanted to understand the depth of pain he experienced in his first marriage and everything in between, because I didn't want to feel like there was a whole past life that he lived that I didn't get to know anything about. And so, um, you know, at a certain point especially, you know if you, if you're at the level where this level of intimacy is appropriate, I actually think it's really important that you feel like nothing's off limits memories wise right, because part of why I trust Jason so much is that there's nothing hidden in our relationship on my end or on his end, and so you know that's important.
Speaker 2:And then you know she mentioned ongoing connection with a former spouse and how you co-parent. That is absolutely important and actually being able to respect your potential spouse's co-parenting and relationship with a former spouse. I needed in myself to be able to respect Jason's connection with his ex-wife and their setup for co-parenting. It didn't mean that I needed to like everything about it. I needed to respect him as a man inside of that context.
Speaker 1:The thing is, though, is you also needed to feel powerful to help create it? Yes, and to feel powerful over how it happens and what it looks like.
Speaker 2:I needed to feel powerful, even to have my own relationship with his ex-wife because of how co-parenting works, and so, yeah, that is an area that's very worth asking lots of questions about and being honest with yourself. Like can I actually enter into that dynamic and feel whole, feel seen, feel heard, feel powerful without being controlling?
Speaker 1:Yep, big deal, it's true.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, this is a very robust conversation that could probably handle a couple more episodes at some point, cause it's there's a lot there and I know a lot of people, a lot of families, are out there kind of navigating these dynamics and it's it can be really tricky, but hopefully this is helpful for anybody that's in this boat.
Speaker 2:And hey, listen, if you've got a friend or a family member who's navigating these kinds of circumstances, send this episode to them and see if it'll be helpful. We'd love to like, we'd love for you to let us know what was helpful about this episode. So leave us some comments or email us. And then, guys we wanted to make you aware in case you hadn't heard about this before we have what's called a Patreon account. The link is in the show notes, and becoming a member of our team through Patreon is a way that you can help. Jason and I continue to carve out time and energy to create content like this for free for you guys. So be sure to check out our Patreon account. We love when new people join the team.
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